/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/08/15/#ubuntu-ops.txt

Mezyay for blog posts about vanity emails ;)00:01
Mezhttp://www.sourceguru.net/archives/14800:01
ubottuIndyGunFreak called the ops in #ubuntu ()00:39
corq-FLtest me01:42
corq-FL*doh*01:42
corq-FLif anyone has time, I have applied the patch to my router and I believe, finished all the instructions to get back into #ubuntu, if anyone has a moment to test me. thx.01:44
elky_workQ:  We have a bunch of machines here by WBI.  Does anyone know anything about this company?  Do we have a support agreement with them?02:53
elky_workA:  The computers are from IBM and have been installed in the rack upside down.02:53
elky_worktrue story. just happened to my boss.02:53
HobbseeHAH!02:56
ubottuGnea called the ops in #ubuntu (afaq)03:58
Myrttidear lord I hate browsers.06:33
MyrttiWAKEY WAKEY RISE AND SHINE07:09
robotgeekthanks Myrtti , now i can go back to bed :)07:09
* Mez yawns07:10
jussi01mrgh07:12
jussi01mornings...07:12
* Hobbsee bans mornings.07:13
MyrttiTIS A WONDERFUL DAY!07:13
MyrttiNO GRUMPING!07:13
* Myrtti jumphuggles jussi01 07:13
jussi01:D07:15
jussi01yay Myrtti is happy!! now let me sleep...07:15
* Myrtti tugs jussi01s hand07:17
Myrttino sleeping07:17
MyrttiI want someone to play with07:17
jussi01What is up with you today? why so happy?07:17
MyrttiBAH, LAG07:18
elky_workMyrtti: how many coffees today?07:18
Myrttielky_work: only half a pot espresso07:19
Myrttijussi01: loverly people having loverly things happening today, and I get to sleep in a hotel!07:19
jussi01right. mrgh... got to get up and go to work. talk later07:21
elky_workwhat is with all these hotels of late? are you off partying with geeks again?07:21
Myrttistupid lag.07:21
Myrttiyeah, company summer party07:22
elky_worknie07:22
elky_worknice*07:22
Myrttiemployer pays this time07:22
elky_worki'm so over this week07:22
* Myrtti kicks the web server07:23
elky_workheh07:23
* Myrtti kicks opera07:24
elky_workjust kick the whole internet, save the time of iterating through each part that sucks07:24
MyrttiI'd rather not kick my phone07:25
Myrttihold on...07:28
Myrttihttp://paste.ubuntu.com/37642/07:28
Myrttinote: "Drowning without written permission is against the company policy and forbidden during the cruise."07:29
Myrttioh btw07:34
Myrttinick "ubuntu" is on the exploit victim list07:35
Myrttiwhich I think is not a good thing?07:35
elky_workMyrtti: remove at discretion07:36
naliothMyrtti: 'ubuntu' is used by anyone with a default client or liveCD07:37
Myrttinalioth: exactly why it is a bad thing07:37
naliothnot necessarily the same user that was affected07:37
elky_worknalioth: which is why it's not a good idea07:37
Myrttiindeed07:37
MyrttiI've got no idea how to remove the banforward...07:37
Myrttiwell I do07:38
Myrttibut to remove from the bots?07:38
elky_workfloodbot code needs to be updated with a whitelist of 'do not quarantine'07:38
Myrttior do they sniff it automagically?07:38
elky_workMyrtti: exploit can be set on a nick, so i assume it can be removed from it too07:38
Myrttielky_work: yeah, they also need to include *.canonical.com to the list of hosts not to be warned about having multiple connections07:38
Myrtti:-P07:38
elky_workMyrtti: and /nat/*07:39
elky_worktbh07:39
Myrttiyup, though doesn't all nat cloaks still get a unique id in the end?07:39
Myrttis/doesn't/don't/07:40
elky_workdunno07:40
Myrttibut I'm not going to join #ubuntu today as my connection possibilities are somewhat limited07:41
Myrttiso if the removal of the nick ubuntu from the victims list requires that, I'm not going to do it07:42
Myrttianyway, the train is arriving to Pasila, so I'll sod off.07:42
bazhangfirst victim of ultamatix sighted08:50
Seeker`ultamatix?08:51
bazhang!ultamatix08:51
ubottuultamatix is not supported by Ubuntu. It can cause system damage and should not be used, if you need support with it please go to http://forumubuntusoftware.info/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1365 for support. If you refer or suggest users install Ultamatix you are subject to a warning the first time, a removal from channel for second time and a ban for the third time.08:51
jussi01hrm, how long does it take for posts to hit planet I wonder...09:59
jussi01well not too long anyway :D10:06
bazhangplatyhelminth quit message10:12
bazhang* platyhelminth has quit ("I love to kill people")10:14
bazhangthat must be against the CoC10:14
elkbuntujussi01, you blogged about the ultabreaksit death?10:14
bazhanghaha10:14
bazhangultrabreaksit10:14
jussi01hehe10:14
elkbuntuaww just about firefox10:17
elkbuntubazhang, got a log of the ultabreaksit diagnosis?10:17
bazhangelkbuntu, the guy who had his machine borked? I already deleted his sources.list; needless to say it was gruesome :)10:18
bazhanghe did pastebin it at the time I mentioned it though elkbuntu10:19
bazhangwow. just reading about baron1984s bannage from all things ubuntu. (via planet.ubuntu.com)10:20
elkbuntuooh... almightycthulhu is baron1984?10:24
elkbuntuthis makes a crapload of sense now10:24
jussi01elkbuntu: welcome to the world of up to dateness :P10:24
elkbuntujussi01, shuddup :Þ10:24
jussi01heheh10:24
elkbuntugeez10:43
elkbuntui hope he's not on the network anywhere10:44
jussi01whys that?10:44
FlannelIs that the first ultamtix casualty we've seen so far?10:44
* Flannel just got home from presenation, apologises for living in the past.10:44
elkbuntuFlannel, first we've noticed10:46
bazhangyup10:46
FlannelThat's good, Hopefully it'll fizzle.10:46
* Flannel believes in wishful thinking.10:46
elkbuntujussi01, um... because if what mjg says is true, it'll be a fun weekend10:46
bazhang!ultrabreaksit10:46
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about ultrabreaksit10:46
bazhanghmm10:46
jussi01heh10:47
elkbuntualias time10:47
bazhanghaha10:47
FlannelIsn't it ulta?10:47
Flannelnot ultra10:47
bazhangultra is funnier10:47
jussi01!ultabreaksit is <alias>ultamatix10:47
ubottuI'll remember that, jussi0110:47
jussi01!ultabreaksit is10:48
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about ultabreaksit is10:48
jussi01!ultabreaksit10:48
ubottuultamatix is not supported by Ubuntu. It can cause system damage and should not be used, if you need support with it please go to http://forumubuntusoftware.info/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1365 for support. If you refer or suggest users install Ultamatix you are subject to a warning the first time, a removal from channel for second time and a ban for the third time.10:48
jussi01hehe10:48
bazhang:)10:48
elkbuntu!logs10:52
ubottuOfficial channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/10:52
elkbuntubazhang, btw, if someone asks for something like network manager that doesnt require gnome or kde, suggest wifi-radar - graphical utility for managing Wi-Fi profiles11:01
elkbuntunot sure how alike it is, but it should make wifi easier at least11:02
ikoniaelkbuntu: thats handy to kmnow11:03
ikoniaknow11:03
elkbuntuikonia, no prob. also, a desktop-independant stickynote alternative is xpad11:07
elkbuntudoesnt have wikilinking like tomboy though11:08
ikoniathese 3rd part repo's are killers11:17
ikoniaeveryone wants to use them, yet the people who maintain them send them here for support11:18
elkbuntui know11:19
elkbuntunot everyone, just everyone who thinks they know better than the developers11:20
elkbuntuoh wow. <3 the new network manager in ibex11:22
* Seeker` wants his desktop back so he can play with ibex11:23
elkeeeim playing with it on here11:23
elkeeebut seriously, networkmanager-applet 0.7.0 is hawt11:25
jussi01it was real buggy for me on hardy11:29
jussi01oh, hang on, that was knetwork manager11:29
* Dave2 considers upgrading his laptop to it, now it's no longer essential.11:30
elkeeeDave2, this is my email machine. my email is in imap so it doesnt matter if it b0rks11:31
elkeeewell, every machine i touch is my email machine, this is just my portable one11:31
Dave2My laptop is the machine with nothing important on it any more. When I was in uni, it was important, since I needed it for lecture notes. Now it'd just be a pain if it stopped working, but not crucial.11:32
Dave2(Incidentally, I do remember fighting with network-manager quite a few times in uni. And recently, too, where it latches on to a network and refuses to change.)11:33
elkeeeyeah, that's irritating11:33
elkeeethe whole gui has changed for the ibex version though. incorporates all networky things better. i think you could always get to them from there, but now it's smooth as11:36
jussi01kahrytan: what can we help you with today?11:36
ikoniakahrytan: I can see you active in ##windows, could you please respond11:43
kahrytanmy bad11:46
kahrytanAnyone know status of me being unbanned from -offtopic?11:47
ikoniaI can't see you banned in -offtopic11:47
kahrytanikonia»  closer11:48
ikoniacloser ?11:48
kahrytanlook close at list11:48
kahrytanIt's near emma's ban11:49
ikoniaI suggest you speak to the person who banned you11:50
kahrytanAnd note I said status11:50
ikoniawhy is that of note ?11:50
kahrytanIt's an irc council thing11:50
jussi01kahrytan: I suggest you wait for one of the council to come along - they are the ones who would know11:51
kahrytanand the ban was months upon months ago11:51
kahrytanWhat with the double nick jussi01 ?11:52
bazhang@btlogin11:53
kahrytanbazhang»  bt?11:54
ikoniakahrytan: that wasn't to  you11:54
jussi01kahrytan: I suggest you come back in 5-8 hours - when more council members would be around11:55
kahrytanjussi01»  as in goto bed.11:55
kahrytanits 1am here11:56
jussi01kahrytan: yes, then try in the morning your time.11:56
* Myrtti huggles jussi01 12:32
jussi01:)12:33
MyrttiI'm here enjoying an Open Task (ie apple cider) and talking workstuff with buncha nerd12:33
Myrttis12:33
Myrttiand also the Jackass :-D12:33
jussi01I hope he sees this... :P12:34
jussi01relay from -offtopic:12:40
jussi01[14:38:22] <Sinnerman> jussi01: we were talking about how to streamline help in #ubuntu; basically, the idea is to use that channel to direct you to another channel more appropriate to your query, such as #ubuntu-wifi, and if you have a question that's been answered before, you get to check out a web page/howto about it. and if you still have questions, it gets answered there kinda thing.12:40
elkeeeugh, not this again12:41
elkeeeyes #ubuntu is annoying now. no it will not be better as a switchboard12:42
jussi01:)12:43
Seeker`I've lost count of how many times I've seen that suggestion13:18
Seeker`and I cant believe how many people suggest something thats such a bad idea13:19
jribif people would do a better job of asking questions it wouldn't be as bad13:21
PriceyMyrtti there is an easier way to remove from quarantine13:23
PriceyEek13:23
PriceyIm getting my commands mixed up, ignore me13:23
Seeker`/ignore Pricey13:25
PriceyYou're evil13:27
PriceyHmm kah been back?13:28
elkbuntuyep13:30
elkbuntuyay ibex. flashing red screen. wf13:31
PriceyDon't tempt me...13:31
PriceyI.ve just realised what those small squares in the corner are.. They represent channels :)13:32
elkbuntuibex on the eeepc13:32
PriceyAnyway, have fun. I'll have a chat with him later after work if he returns.13:34
Hobbseeman, these comments on mjg59's blog are great.13:48
jpdsHobbsee: Epic fail.13:52
Hobbseejpds: yeah...13:52
elkbuntuheh13:55
Seeker`Hobbsee: link?13:57
jpdsSeeker`: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/13:58
Hobbseeyeah, taht.13:58
elkbuntumjg is a god14:00
xnvIs it actually against policy to send someone a Google link that includes a link that answers their question?14:28
ikoniaxnv: no14:31
ikoniaxnv: from what I've just read, unop was just explaining that telling people to search google's not always the best form of support14:32
stdinit's only against the guidelines to tell them to "go google it"14:32
bazhanggiving them the link is better than the long google search string however14:33
stdinyes, giving them a link to a google search is a bit rude is most peoples opinions. pick the best link from the search results and give them that instead14:35
stdinsome people may not actually have as much "google-foo" as the rest of us14:35
xnvHmm. While I agree it's not quite as nice, I think it makes the channel prone to abuse by people who use it as their own personal search engine filter.14:39
bazhangxnv some folks are just less able to use google and such tools14:40
xnvAnd so when I can paste the person's question into Google and get the answer, it seems appropriate to link them that way.14:40
bazhangubottu google14:40
ubottugoogle is the helpers' friend; many newer users dont have the google-fu yet; For GNU/Linux:  http://google.com/linux14:40
xnvbazhang: Agreed, but if they can type their question into the channel, they should be able to type it into Google14:40
stdinif you can take the time to post the question in google and post back the search URL, you can post back the first hit ;)14:41
bazhangxnv, they know about google already; we are smarter than google :)14:41
xnvbazhang: Well, what they want (and what I want, but don't do any more) is have someone else go parse the answer for me and just tell me what to do.14:42
xnvbazhang: Then there are others that, as you say, don't have google-fu. To me the difference is clear if cut&paste works. :)14:43
bazhangxnv, as we cant tell who does and does not have the google-fu, we err on the side of generosity as this is what Ubuntu is all about :)14:49
stdinif you don't want to do some leg work for the person asking for help, then you don't have to reply at all. part of the IRC Guidelines is "When helping: be helpful", which is where the policy on posting google (or other search engine) search links comes from14:49
bazhangxnv, was there anything else? this channel has a no idle policy.15:10
xnvbazhang: Oops, sorry.15:21
MyrttiHello kids!15:34
bazhang<Gnea> KlrSpz: well, hate speech is discouraged here. please do not do it again.15:41
bazhang* AlmightyCthulhu has quit ("Leaving")  thought he was banned in #ubuntu15:43
* stdin doesn't see any active bans on him in #ubuntu15:50
bazhangso mjg needs to update his blog :)15:50
MyrttiPlease kick my butt if I start to be too annoying?15:55
bazhangthat day will never arrive15:55
MyrttiYou think? Its not even 6pm and I annoy myself...15:57
bazhangAsus, on the other hand...15:57
MyrttiTrue.16:01
MyrttiHe annoys everyone...16:01
MyrttiIll give you that.16:02
* bazhang doesnt understand the clamor for folks banned in -ot to get back in16:02
MyrttiIts a channel Ive been longest on freenode...16:06
bazhangso its to see you!16:06
bazhangno wonder!16:06
MyrttiHa.16:07
ubottuGnea called the ops in #ubuntu (Ander)17:44
bazhangzaapiel in -ot18:15
ikoniaeveything cool ?18:18
bazhangzaapiel is on an 040 spree in ot18:19
bazhangwhoever has privileges there should take a look.18:20
ikoniacan't do anything18:22
ikoniabut yes, needs stopping quick sharp18:22
bazhangindeed.18:22
bazhangthe usual !factoids make nary a dent in him18:22
ikoniaPici: elkbuntu you awake ?18:22
ikoniaMyrtti: how about you ?18:23
ikoniaGary: mneptok Hobbsee ?18:25
bazhangClubuntu> Come to ##Club-Ubuntu -- an oasis of Ubuntu liberty on Freenode. We are centered on Ubuntu but open to everything else. This is the premier channel for people who love Ubuntu and the freedom to choose their own adventure. | Official website coming soon!18:34
bazhangstaff may wish to see that ^^18:34
bazhang* Clubuntu (i=4b39bdce@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fd6073b54570f452) has joined #ubuntu18:36
stdin* ##ubunteens n=WahWah adsl-75-57-189-206.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net irc.freenode.net smitherz H+ :0 WahWah18:38
stdin* adsl-75-57-189-206.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net :End of /WHO list.18:38
stdin^that's their real host18:38
bazhangwow18:38
bazhangnice work stdin18:39
stdinit says it in -monitor ;)18:39
stdin[18:33]<FloodBot1> Clubuntu (*!*@adsl-75-57-189-206.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) is being let into #ubuntu from a gateway18:39
bazhang:)18:39
bazhangone of those high-up ops, eh?18:39
stdinyou should be able to join there too18:40
bazhangI do, but the bots there do a /whois on me :)18:41
bazhangThe Pici is BACK!19:00
Picionly sorta19:00
Pici;)19:00
bazhang:)19:00
Picibut vacation has been good19:00
bazhangthis has a been a rotten week without you19:00
bazhangbut good to hear you had a vaca19:00
bazhang+tion19:00
jussi01Pici: stoplying... you were in the factoid factory slaving away... :P19:02
PiciMaybe thats what I wanted you to think19:05
jussi01Pici: I am big brother... I have my eye on you.... :P19:07
naliothbazhang: why would staff want to see ##club-ubuntu ?19:08
bazhangnalioth, the spammer?19:08
naliothbazhang: i'm not following you19:09
bazhangthought spam was a freenode issue; my mistake.19:09
jussi01nalioth: the User Clubuntu was spamming about ##club-ubuntu if i read correct19:10
PriceChildIn what channel, triggered?19:10
naliothbazhang: it is, but your post made no sense to me  ( perhaps i'm not reading it correctly )19:11
naliothPriceChild: i'm on it19:11
naliothi've found the culprit19:11
bazhangnalioth, my apologies.19:11
bazhangbeen watching ot and ubuntu and my head is spinning19:11
naliothok, bazhang i tracked the spammer down and completely ruined his/her day19:15
bazhangnalioth, sorry to disturb you19:16
naliothnot a problem, your original paste was confusing19:16
bazhangI confess to being confused at the time19:17
ubottuIn #ubuntu, LEVI4TH4N said: ubottu: sorry is not good enough. you are now on /ignore.19:24
naliothalrighty then.19:24
bazhangsometime early next week (likely Mon.)19:28
Gary320:16
Flannel720:17
MyrttiWhut?20:17
FlannelMyrtti: What?20:17
nalioth10, of course20:17
jussi0117?20:18
PriceChildI was just about to /win somewhere but now I've forgotten where.20:18
jussi01PriceChild: /win ?20:19
Pici/lose20:21
jussi01hehe20:22
* jussi01 would like to /lose a few people...20:23
MyrttiRight.20:28
bazhangzaap is top of my list20:28
MyrttiI haz no backlog20:28
bazhangbe thankful20:28
MyrttiI am. Also very drunk.20:28
bazhanghaha20:29
bazhangall the better20:29
MyrttiI think so too.20:29
bazhangforgot I did not have privileges in there and did a /cs kb zaa<tab>20:30
MyrttiIm happy Im on mobile.20:31
naliothapologies for the ubot3 dancing.  my ISP sucks and i can't get the bot to run on a remote host20:32
jussi01nalioth: would you like an account on my server for backup?20:49
jussi01nalioth: your bot dir should be able to be tarred and copied straight across - everthign should already be installed20:50
Seeker`I should really find a new shell20:50
kahrytanAloha20:51
jussi01Seeker`: Ive plenty of space and bandwidth (160gb hdd, 10/10 connection if needed)20:51
kahrytanam i too late jussi01 ?20:52
Seeker`jussi01: I just want an irssi shell20:52
jussi01Seeker`: yeah, I can do that20:52
jussi01kahrytan: ask away20:52
kahrytanWheres the irc council members?20:52
jussi01kahrytan: around. just ask.20:53
kahrytan160gb hdd.. must be a laptop20:54
jussi01kahrytan: you are here for a reason, please use your time wisely20:55
kahrytanjussi01»  irc council already knows my reason.20:55
naliothwe do?20:58
* nalioth looks for his ESP hat20:58
naliothdarn, out of batteries  :(20:58
kahrytannalioth»  because of my paste very months old ban in -offtopic. OR do you guys even communicate?21:00
kahrytan*past21:00
kahrytanold by few months old since like march21:01
Nafallo!nickspamming21:03
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about nickspamming21:03
Flannel!nickspam21:03
ubottuYou should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu, or other Ubuntu channels; it causes excessive scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  See also «/msg ubottu Guidelines»21:03
Nafallough. no URL...21:03
FlannelURL to what?21:03
Nafallothanks anyway.21:03
Nafallosome hateful page that gives five million reasons to avoid it :-)21:04
kahrytanNafallo»  because it is inconsiderate of others in the channel.21:04
FlannelNafallo: Oh, here: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html21:04
NafalloFlannel: thanks :-)21:05
FlannelNafallo: That's linked from the IRC guidelines, if you needed to know how to direct someone there21:05
Nafallonaah. other network :-)21:05
Nafallopeople annoy me, and I'm too lazy to argue ;-)21:06
kahrytanNafallo»  I wish I had your laziness21:07
kahrytanNafallo»  If I was to lazy to argue, i would get into trouble with -ops far less21:07
Nafallokahrytan: what would you do with it? :-)21:07
Nafalloah21:07
Nafallohehe21:07
nalioththis is not a social or support channel21:09
naliothkahrytan: your request has been noted21:10
kahrytannalioth»   That was said last month21:10
=== Seeker`_ is now known as Seeker`
kahrytannalioth»  Goodbye.  I got email to list as well. Don't ignore it.21:13
Seeker`stdin: ping21:14
stdinSeeker`: pong21:15
Seeker`stdin: mind if I PM you?21:15
stdinnope :)21:15
* Pricey notices a lack of kah.21:17
naliothPricey: did you want him back?21:17
PriceyI think I'm happy.21:19
jussi01Pricey: you_think_ ?21:21
jussi01:P21:21
PriceChildjussi01: I'm often shown to be wrong.21:22
PriceChildIs kah banned anywhere else?21:30
naliothnot that i'm aware of21:32
ubottuFlare183 called the ops in #ubuntu (MonsieurY)22:00
jussi01quiet tonight...22:45
Seeker`dont jinx it22:45
jussi01hehe22:46
naliothno, don't.  it's raining trolls right and left elsewhere22:47
Seeker`where?22:48
naliothelsewhere on the network22:48
naliothdo you want me to direct them toward #ubuntu ?22:49
Seeker`doesn't bother me, I'm not an op there22:49
Seeker`:P22:49
jussi01Seeker`: oh shush boy...22:49
jussi01PriceChild: still up?22:58
PriceChildjussi01: I am indeedy.22:59
Seeker`PriceChild never sleeps22:59
Seeker`he just checks his eyelids for holes occasionally22:59
jussi01PriceChild: could you give a little more clarification on how to document "Evidence of activity within IRC (quality, quantity and duration)" ?23:00
Seeker`jussi01: provide every public log that you are active in23:00
jussi01Seeker`: right... and people are going to read through the last year and a half of logs? even if I had them?23:02
Seeker`maybe...23:02
PriceChildThat's an odd bit tacked onto that bullet point.23:02
jussi01right :)23:03
jussi01PriceChild: me thinks that maybe the afore mentioned things are the evidence - and that is an explanation of why you need them23:03
jussi01am I correct?23:04
PriceChildjussi01: I think that would be a good way to go about it.23:04
jussi01PriceChild: ok :)23:05
* jussi01 is thinking how to structure his wiki page well - any tips?23:06
PriceChildjussi01: don't forget to support the that bit with mentioning the bot also.23:06
jussi01PriceChild: yeah, good point23:06
PriceChildThat document should have something at the top telling people not to edit it23:09
PriceChildmaybe23:10
jussi01yeah it probably should have something23:11

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