| Diptanu | Hi | 17:41 |
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| newz2000 | hey Diptanu | 17:41 |
| Diptanu | How ru doing? | 17:41 |
| newz2000 | so far so good | 17:41 |
| Diptanu | :) | 17:41 |
| Diptanu | Busy with work? | 17:41 |
| newz2000 | yeah, I'm going to take next week off, so trying to wrap everything up | 17:41 |
| Diptanu | I see...going for a holdiday or something.. | 17:42 |
| Diptanu | > | 17:42 |
| newz2000 | just getting stuff done around the house | 17:43 |
| Diptanu | i see.. | 17:43 |
| Diptanu | ECMAScript harmony is a hot news today ! | 17:45 |
| vbabiy | newz2000: where can I got the ubuntu title font? The one with cap letters | 19:09 |
| newz2000 | vbabiy: if you're in ubuntu you can get it via synaptic/apt | 19:09 |
| vbabiy | newz2000: does that one have the Caps | 19:10 |
| newz2000 | I don't know | 19:10 |
| newz2000 | The #ubuntu-art maybe a better place to ask | 19:10 |
| vbabiy | thanks | 19:10 |
| hubuntu | vbabiy, you can it here:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTitle | 19:19 |
| vbabiy | hubuntu: thanks I found it | 19:19 |
| vbabiy | newz2000: you got a min | 21:12 |
| newz2000 | vbabiy: sure | 21:13 |
| vbabiy | what do you think of this http://vbabiy.mine.nu:8080/ | 21:13 |
| newz2000 | vbabiy: describe to me what I'm looking at | 21:14 |
| newz2000 | it looks nice by the way | 21:14 |
| vbabiy | well a user could choose what they want to see from either the wheel or the menu on the left. Below would a be description along the bottom an images at the right. | 21:15 |
| vbabiy | in order for this page to work it all has to be ajax, no refresh | 21:15 |
| vbabiy | newz2000: does that make sense? | 21:18 |
| newz2000 | yes, sorry for delay, getting hit on two sides | 21:18 |
| vbabiy | newz2000: don't worry about | 21:18 |
| newz2000 | so you're design is getting better by leaps and strides | 21:21 |
| newz2000 | there are three problems, and two are related to typography | 21:22 |
| newz2000 | so easy to fix | 21:22 |
| newz2000 | we avoid serif fonts and we avoid the Ubuntu title font | 21:22 |
| newz2000 | the other problem is that I think the feature tour should start out by showing features on the first screen without requiring them to make a choice | 21:23 |
| newz2000 | so the first page might be a "highlights" or overview | 21:23 |
| newz2000 | and there will be things like, "office" and "multimedia" as options people can dig into if they like | 21:24 |
| newz2000 | but the first thing they see should make them drool and want ubuntu without seeing a single other page | 21:24 |
| vbabiy | thats a good point | 21:24 |
| newz2000 | I think you've done a good thing by getting rid of the header image at the top, I think you can also get rid of search | 21:24 |
| newz2000 | that allows you to get a lot of visuals in above the fold | 21:25 |
| vbabiy | yeah | 21:25 |
| newz2000 | (by above the fold I mean they can see it without having to scroll) | 21:25 |
| vbabiy | yeah, I understand | 21:25 |
| vbabiy | newz2000: do you like this for the detail page? | 21:27 |
| vbabiy | I have some ideas for the drool part | 21:27 |
| vbabiy | I will play with this weekend | 21:27 |
| newz2000 | what do you mean by detail page? | 21:27 |
| newz2000 | oh I get you | 21:27 |
| vbabiy | newz2000: kinda like I want to know more | 21:27 |
| newz2000 | gotcha | 21:27 |
| newz2000 | lets see... | 21:28 |
| newz2000 | in my mind I can often imagine things that are impossible to do in the real world | 21:28 |
| newz2000 | but I could imagine us doing a layout this wide like you've done that won't need a detail page | 21:28 |
| newz2000 | for example, imagine the "user stories" block you have in your mockup being present for each image | 21:28 |
| newz2000 | let me find a link... just a sec | 21:29 |
| vbabiy | oaky | 21:29 |
| vbabiy | okay | 21:29 |
| newz2000 | http://digitarald.de/playground/fly-over-background/ | 21:30 |
| newz2000 | wait for the background iamge to load before you click around | 21:30 |
| newz2000 | and don't get too excited, this idea won't work perfectly | 21:30 |
| newz2000 | but I want you to notice the smooth animation | 21:31 |
| vbabiy | That would be really nice for the screen shots | 21:32 |
| newz2000 | yeah, but Ken and I tried it a while back and it doesn't work out | 21:32 |
| vbabiy | that way we could use full desktop shots and only show the keey parts | 21:32 |
| newz2000 | yeah, we tried that | 21:33 |
| vbabiy | newz2000: why didn't it work | 21:33 |
| newz2000 | you need a huge desktop and then the image is too big, it takes for ever to load or the jpg compression is so high that the picture looks bad | 21:33 |
| newz2000 | but notice the smooth scrolling? | 21:33 |
| newz2000 | so picture this instead... | 21:33 |
| newz2000 | no up down diagnol stuff, just left/right | 21:34 |
| newz2000 | just a sec | 21:34 |
| newz2000 | and images are laid out side by side with a small gap between then, kind of like a filmstrip | 21:34 |
| vbabiy | that is what I had in mind for the screen shots next to the description | 21:34 |
| newz2000 | but it doesn't need to actually look like a filmstrip | 21:34 |
| vbabiy | newz2000: yeah kinda like you would do hover sate buttons | 21:35 |
| vbabiy | in css | 21:35 |
| newz2000 | so when you click the "next" arrow, the image slides in from the right, underneath your gray box | 21:35 |
| vbabiy | just move the background in a animated way | 21:35 |
| newz2000 | the contents of the grey box would then change to match whatever the current image is (i.e. it would describe the current image) | 21:35 |
| vbabiy | yeah | 21:36 |
| newz2000 | Do you think you could mock that up? | 21:36 |
| * emunkki is online for at least a moment, if someone wants to ask something | 21:36 | |
| vbabiy | yeah | 21:36 |
| vbabiy | emunkki: did you see my mockup? | 21:36 |
| newz2000 | hey emunkki | 21:36 |
| emunkki | vbabiy, nope | 21:36 |
| emunkki | hello newz2000 | 21:36 |
| vbabiy | emunkki: http://vbabiy.mine.nu:8080/ let us know what you think | 21:37 |
| emunkki | hmm, maybe the top part could be just a little bit more effective | 21:38 |
| emunkki | like not taking so much space | 21:38 |
| emunkki | but the disc looks great | 21:38 |
| emunkki | especially if it will have "animated" moving effects | 21:38 |
| vbabiy | emunkki: that part will have to try but it may get tricky | 21:39 |
| emunkki | hm.. | 21:39 |
| emunkki | yeah | 21:39 |
| vbabiy | emunkki: it will have a roller states | 21:40 |
| emunkki | the reason i'd like the top part (title, navi) to be not so big that i'd like to see the lower media .. thing right away | 21:40 |
| emunkki | if you know what i'm trying to say | 21:40 |
| emunkki | i'm a bit bad at english atm :P | 21:40 |
| vbabiy | well me a newz2000 where talk to loose the nav on the right and make to logo on the top left smaller | 21:41 |
| emunkki | yes | 21:41 |
| emunkki | definately | 21:41 |
| emunkki | and maybe rethink the centered title as well | 21:42 |
| emunkki | but we'll see how it will look when we have some progress | 21:42 |
| newz2000 | yeah | 21:43 |
| vbabiy | yeah | 21:44 |
| vbabiy | http://vbabiy.mine.nu:8080/ here is how it looks with out the nav and small logo | 21:44 |
| emunkki | but as newz2000(?) i dislike the ubuntu-title font a bit :) | 21:44 |
| emunkki | ++++ | 21:44 |
| emunkki | maybe ubuntu+linux for humans in the same font | 21:44 |
| emunkki | (size and written like a sentence) | 21:45 |
| emunkki | and the "what is new in ubuntu?" text in the right side? | 21:45 |
| vbabiy | yeah we can play with those fonts | 21:45 |
| newz2000 | I'm pretty sure the heading will be something like, "See what's new for Ubuntu 8.10" | 21:45 |
| emunkki | ubuntu 8.10 - What's new? | 21:46 |
| newz2000 | maybe in the top right where the nav was there should be a link to the download page | 21:46 |
| newz2000 | sure | 21:46 |
| emunkki | just add the end next to the ubuntu logo | 21:46 |
| vbabiy | newz2000: I think we should leave some room for some kinda nav | 21:46 |
| newz2000 | that's fine, do leave room somewhere prominent for the download button | 21:47 |
| vbabiy | newz2000: okay | 21:47 |
| vbabiy | do you guys think its a stage that I could start converting it in to HTML | 21:48 |
| vbabiy | CSS and JS | 21:48 |
| newz2000 | lets get a mockup and send it to the list | 21:48 |
| newz2000 | try to do the things I suggested | 21:48 |
| newz2000 | then we'll get some refinements done | 21:49 |
| newz2000 | but I'm eager to get to the build stage | 21:49 |
| emunkki | i can definately help with css if there's some problems at any stage | 21:49 |
| newz2000 | vbabiy: what graphic design tool are you using? | 21:49 |
| vbabiy | newz2000: inkscape, I have completely fallen in LOVE :D | 21:50 |
| newz2000 | cool | 21:50 |
| vbabiy | newz2000: so you will be gone all next week right | 21:50 |
| newz2000 | if you start slicing now you'll have to do it all over again for sure, so lets get the graphics pretty much how we like them | 21:50 |
| newz2000 | vbabiy: not really, I won't be on as often but I'll be around | 21:50 |
| vbabiy | o okay | 21:50 |
| newz2000 | I'm not going anywhere | 21:50 |
| vbabiy | newz2000: O I thought you were traveling | 21:51 |
| newz2000 | no, I'm taking some vacation time to get some work done around the house | 21:51 |
| vbabiy | I have a 2 hour drive tom, so I will try to get this done tom. and get back to you gys | 21:52 |
| vbabiy | guys | 21:52 |
| newz2000 | I can't wait to see it | 21:52 |
| emunkki | me either | 21:52 |
| newz2000 | btw, a new web developer (front end) job came up yesterday | 21:52 |
| newz2000 | http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_FEWD/ | 21:52 |
| emunkki | :o | 21:52 |
| emunkki | hired? | 21:52 |
| emunkki | aha, job only | 21:53 |
| newz2000 | just showed up on the website yesterday | 21:53 |
| newz2000 | full time employment | 21:53 |
| emunkki | hmmh. | 21:53 |
| vbabiy | newz2000: I already applied | 21:53 |
| vbabiy | I didn't get the last one | 21:53 |
| emunkki | do you know about the salary? | 21:53 |
| newz2000 | emunkki: the quote I heard back before I started was that Mark hated salary negotians | 21:53 |
| emunkki | meh | 21:54 |
| newz2000 | honestly though, I have no clue what the cost of living is in your area so just ask for what you think is fair and what you need | 21:54 |
| emunkki | aha ok | 21:54 |
| emunkki | not going to apply for that job though | 21:54 |
| vbabiy | newz2000: have you thought about another meeting yet? | 21:54 |
| emunkki | i believe that i'll earn a better living with my current job | 21:54 |
| emunkki | :/ | 21:54 |
| newz2000 | freelance is hard to beet | 21:54 |
| newz2000 | beat | 21:54 |
| newz2000 | :-) | 21:54 |
| emunkki | yes, fd | 21:54 |
| newz2000 | but I personally hated freelance | 21:55 |
| newz2000 | I hated not knowing for sure when I was going to get work | 21:55 |
| emunkki | especially if you're asking for high rates | 21:55 |
| newz2000 | and I hated not having paid vacations | 21:55 |
| emunkki | i seem to have the opposite problem :D | 21:55 |
| newz2000 | I worked too much | 21:55 |
| emunkki | i really don't know when i will have vacation the next time | 21:55 |
| vbabiy | emunkki: that is the problem with freelance | 21:55 |
| emunkki | basically yes | 21:56 |
| newz2000 | right, I never took a vacation other than a three day weekend for nearly 5 years | 21:56 |
| emunkki | things would be a LOT easier if i didn't have to study at the same time | 21:56 |
| emunkki | well, there's days i just CAN'T work | 21:56 |
| emunkki | i'm too tired for that (not only because of work) | 21:56 |
| emunkki | then i'll just hang out, wake up late etc... | 21:56 |
| emunkki | if i don't have to go to studies | 21:56 |
| newz2000 | some people thrive on freelance type of stuff, I've noticed artists especially do. It was too stressful for me. | 21:57 |
| vbabiy | well alright guys I will be around ping me if you need me. | 21:57 |
| newz2000 | ok, ttyl vbabiy | 21:57 |
| newz2000 | I think I better go to the doctor, I'm getting sick. :-( | 21:57 |
| emunkki | newz2000, definately... it's really great to work as a freelnace artist rather than full-time | 21:58 |
| emunkki | you're way more free of your designs | 21:58 |
| emunkki | even if the client had their own ideas and wants and needs | 21:58 |
| newz2000 | oh, I'm good at dealing with clients | 21:59 |
| emunkki | sure, i'm also | 21:59 |
| newz2000 | they get what's good for them if they like it or not. :-) | 21:59 |
| emunkki | but still they have some needs | 21:59 |
| emunkki | and i do want that clients are happy | 21:59 |
| emunkki | i don't need to add every project in my portfolio | 21:59 |
| emunkki | and can do what clients want, not what i want | 22:00 |
| emunkki | those clients usually produce more clients.. | 22:00 |
| newz2000 | oh yeah, sure. I just mean those clients who can never make up their mind | 22:00 |
| emunkki | haha, yeah | 22:00 |
| emunkki | i had one | 22:00 |
| newz2000 | get done and then they want to change everything | 22:00 |
| emunkki | but she was kind of annoying | 22:00 |
| emunkki | "please move this photo 1mm left" | 22:00 |
| emunkki | "in web?" | 22:00 |
| emunkki | :P | 22:00 |
| emunkki | and she used ie5.5 | 22:00 |
| emunkki | or was it even 5<5.5 | 22:00 |
| newz2000 | I've gotta go to the doctor, I'll have to ttyl | 22:02 |
| emunkki | yeah, hope you're alright! :) | 22:03 |
| jpds | Could someone please link the links at: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/mirror/3 ? | 23:15 |
| jpds | Oh, and the last one should be changed to: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+newmirror | 23:15 |
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