[17:41] Hi [17:41] hey Diptanu [17:41] How ru doing? [17:41] so far so good [17:41] :) [17:41] Busy with work? [17:41] yeah, I'm going to take next week off, so trying to wrap everything up [17:42] I see...going for a holdiday or something.. [17:42] > [17:43] just getting stuff done around the house [17:43] i see.. [17:45] ECMAScript harmony is a hot news today ! [19:09] newz2000: where can I got the ubuntu title font? The one with cap letters [19:09] vbabiy: if you're in ubuntu you can get it via synaptic/apt [19:10] newz2000: does that one have the Caps [19:10] I don't know [19:10] The #ubuntu-art maybe a better place to ask [19:10] thanks [19:19] vbabiy, you can it here:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTitle [19:19] hubuntu: thanks I found it [21:12] newz2000: you got a min [21:13] vbabiy: sure [21:13] what do you think of this http://vbabiy.mine.nu:8080/ [21:14] vbabiy: describe to me what I'm looking at [21:14] it looks nice by the way [21:15] well a user could choose what they want to see from either the wheel or the menu on the left. Below would a be description along the bottom an images at the right. [21:15] in order for this page to work it all has to be ajax, no refresh [21:18] newz2000: does that make sense? [21:18] yes, sorry for delay, getting hit on two sides [21:18] newz2000: don't worry about [21:21] so you're design is getting better by leaps and strides [21:22] there are three problems, and two are related to typography [21:22] so easy to fix [21:22] we avoid serif fonts and we avoid the Ubuntu title font [21:23] the other problem is that I think the feature tour should start out by showing features on the first screen without requiring them to make a choice [21:23] so the first page might be a "highlights" or overview [21:24] and there will be things like, "office" and "multimedia" as options people can dig into if they like [21:24] but the first thing they see should make them drool and want ubuntu without seeing a single other page [21:24] thats a good point [21:24] I think you've done a good thing by getting rid of the header image at the top, I think you can also get rid of search [21:25] that allows you to get a lot of visuals in above the fold [21:25] yeah [21:25] (by above the fold I mean they can see it without having to scroll) [21:25] yeah, I understand [21:27] newz2000: do you like this for the detail page? [21:27] I have some ideas for the drool part [21:27] I will play with this weekend [21:27] what do you mean by detail page? [21:27] oh I get you [21:27] newz2000: kinda like I want to know more [21:27] gotcha [21:28] lets see... [21:28] in my mind I can often imagine things that are impossible to do in the real world [21:28] but I could imagine us doing a layout this wide like you've done that won't need a detail page [21:28] for example, imagine the "user stories" block you have in your mockup being present for each image [21:29] let me find a link... just a sec [21:29] oaky [21:29] okay [21:30] http://digitarald.de/playground/fly-over-background/ [21:30] wait for the background iamge to load before you click around [21:30] and don't get too excited, this idea won't work perfectly [21:31] but I want you to notice the smooth animation [21:32] That would be really nice for the screen shots [21:32] yeah, but Ken and I tried it a while back and it doesn't work out [21:32] that way we could use full desktop shots and only show the keey parts [21:33] yeah, we tried that [21:33] newz2000: why didn't it work [21:33] you need a huge desktop and then the image is too big, it takes for ever to load or the jpg compression is so high that the picture looks bad [21:33] but notice the smooth scrolling? [21:33] so picture this instead... [21:34] no up down diagnol stuff, just left/right [21:34] just a sec [21:34] and images are laid out side by side with a small gap between then, kind of like a filmstrip [21:34] that is what I had in mind for the screen shots next to the description [21:34] but it doesn't need to actually look like a filmstrip [21:35] newz2000: yeah kinda like you would do hover sate buttons [21:35] in css [21:35] so when you click the "next" arrow, the image slides in from the right, underneath your gray box [21:35] just move the background in a animated way [21:35] the contents of the grey box would then change to match whatever the current image is (i.e. it would describe the current image) [21:36] yeah [21:36] Do you think you could mock that up? [21:36] * emunkki is online for at least a moment, if someone wants to ask something [21:36] yeah [21:36] emunkki: did you see my mockup? [21:36] hey emunkki [21:36] vbabiy, nope [21:36] hello newz2000 [21:37] emunkki: http://vbabiy.mine.nu:8080/ let us know what you think [21:38] hmm, maybe the top part could be just a little bit more effective [21:38] like not taking so much space [21:38] but the disc looks great [21:38] especially if it will have "animated" moving effects [21:39] emunkki: that part will have to try but it may get tricky [21:39] hm.. [21:39] yeah [21:40] emunkki: it will have a roller states [21:40] the reason i'd like the top part (title, navi) to be not so big that i'd like to see the lower media .. thing right away [21:40] if you know what i'm trying to say [21:40] i'm a bit bad at english atm :P [21:41] well me a newz2000 where talk to loose the nav on the right and make to logo on the top left smaller [21:41] yes [21:41] definately [21:42] and maybe rethink the centered title as well [21:42] but we'll see how it will look when we have some progress [21:43] yeah [21:44] yeah [21:44] http://vbabiy.mine.nu:8080/ here is how it looks with out the nav and small logo [21:44] but as newz2000(?) i dislike the ubuntu-title font a bit :) [21:44] ++++ [21:44] maybe ubuntu+linux for humans in the same font [21:45] (size and written like a sentence) [21:45] and the "what is new in ubuntu?" text in the right side? [21:45] yeah we can play with those fonts [21:45] I'm pretty sure the heading will be something like, "See what's new for Ubuntu 8.10" [21:46] ubuntu 8.10 - What's new? [21:46] maybe in the top right where the nav was there should be a link to the download page [21:46] sure [21:46] just add the end next to the ubuntu logo [21:46] newz2000: I think we should leave some room for some kinda nav [21:47] that's fine, do leave room somewhere prominent for the download button [21:47] newz2000: okay [21:48] do you guys think its a stage that I could start converting it in to HTML [21:48] CSS and JS [21:48] lets get a mockup and send it to the list [21:48] try to do the things I suggested [21:49] then we'll get some refinements done [21:49] but I'm eager to get to the build stage [21:49] i can definately help with css if there's some problems at any stage [21:49] vbabiy: what graphic design tool are you using? [21:50] newz2000: inkscape, I have completely fallen in LOVE :D [21:50] cool [21:50] newz2000: so you will be gone all next week right [21:50] if you start slicing now you'll have to do it all over again for sure, so lets get the graphics pretty much how we like them [21:50] vbabiy: not really, I won't be on as often but I'll be around [21:50] o okay [21:50] I'm not going anywhere [21:51] newz2000: O I thought you were traveling [21:51] no, I'm taking some vacation time to get some work done around the house [21:52] I have a 2 hour drive tom, so I will try to get this done tom. and get back to you gys [21:52] guys [21:52] I can't wait to see it [21:52] me either [21:52] btw, a new web developer (front end) job came up yesterday [21:52] http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_FEWD/ [21:52] :o [21:52] hired? [21:53] aha, job only [21:53] just showed up on the website yesterday [21:53] full time employment [21:53] hmmh. [21:53] newz2000: I already applied [21:53] I didn't get the last one [21:53] do you know about the salary? [21:53] emunkki: the quote I heard back before I started was that Mark hated salary negotians [21:54] meh [21:54] honestly though, I have no clue what the cost of living is in your area so just ask for what you think is fair and what you need [21:54] aha ok [21:54] not going to apply for that job though [21:54] newz2000: have you thought about another meeting yet? [21:54] i believe that i'll earn a better living with my current job [21:54] :/ [21:54] freelance is hard to beet [21:54] beat [21:54] :-) [21:54] yes, fd [21:55] but I personally hated freelance [21:55] I hated not knowing for sure when I was going to get work [21:55] especially if you're asking for high rates [21:55] and I hated not having paid vacations [21:55] i seem to have the opposite problem :D [21:55] I worked too much [21:55] i really don't know when i will have vacation the next time [21:55] emunkki: that is the problem with freelance [21:56] basically yes [21:56] right, I never took a vacation other than a three day weekend for nearly 5 years [21:56] things would be a LOT easier if i didn't have to study at the same time [21:56] well, there's days i just CAN'T work [21:56] i'm too tired for that (not only because of work) [21:56] then i'll just hang out, wake up late etc... [21:56] if i don't have to go to studies [21:57] some people thrive on freelance type of stuff, I've noticed artists especially do. It was too stressful for me. [21:57] well alright guys I will be around ping me if you need me. [21:57] ok, ttyl vbabiy [21:57] I think I better go to the doctor, I'm getting sick. :-( [21:58] newz2000, definately... it's really great to work as a freelnace artist rather than full-time [21:58] you're way more free of your designs [21:58] even if the client had their own ideas and wants and needs [21:59] oh, I'm good at dealing with clients [21:59] sure, i'm also [21:59] they get what's good for them if they like it or not. :-) [21:59] but still they have some needs [21:59] and i do want that clients are happy [21:59] i don't need to add every project in my portfolio [22:00] and can do what clients want, not what i want [22:00] those clients usually produce more clients.. [22:00] oh yeah, sure. I just mean those clients who can never make up their mind [22:00] haha, yeah [22:00] i had one [22:00] get done and then they want to change everything [22:00] but she was kind of annoying [22:00] "please move this photo 1mm left" [22:00] "in web?" [22:00] :P [22:00] and she used ie5.5 [22:00] or was it even 5<5.5 [22:02] I've gotta go to the doctor, I'll have to ttyl [22:03] yeah, hope you're alright! :) [23:15] Could someone please link the links at: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/mirror/3 ? [23:15] Oh, and the last one should be changed to: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+newmirror