[17:41] <Diptanu> Hi
[17:41] <newz2000> hey Diptanu
[17:41] <Diptanu> How ru doing?
[17:41] <newz2000> so far so good
[17:41] <Diptanu> :)
[17:41] <Diptanu> Busy with work?
[17:41] <newz2000> yeah, I'm going to take next week off, so trying to wrap everything up
[17:42] <Diptanu> I see...going for a holdiday or something..
[17:42] <Diptanu> >
[17:43] <newz2000> just getting stuff done around the house
[17:43] <Diptanu> i see..
[17:45] <Diptanu> ECMAScript harmony is a hot news today !
[19:09] <vbabiy> newz2000: where can I got the ubuntu title font? The one with cap letters
[19:09] <newz2000> vbabiy: if you're in ubuntu you can get it via synaptic/apt
[19:10] <vbabiy> newz2000: does that one have the Caps
[19:10] <newz2000> I don't know
[19:10] <newz2000> The #ubuntu-art maybe a better place to ask
[19:10] <vbabiy> thanks
[19:19] <hubuntu> vbabiy, you can it here:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTitle
[19:19] <vbabiy> hubuntu: thanks I found it
[21:12] <vbabiy> newz2000: you got a min
[21:13] <newz2000> vbabiy: sure
[21:13] <vbabiy> what do you think of this http://vbabiy.mine.nu:8080/
[21:14] <newz2000> vbabiy: describe to me what I'm looking at
[21:14] <newz2000> it looks nice by the way
[21:15] <vbabiy> well a user could choose what they want to see from either the wheel or the menu on the left. Below would a be description along the bottom an images at the right.
[21:15] <vbabiy> in order for this page to work it all has to be ajax, no refresh
[21:18] <vbabiy> newz2000: does that make sense?
[21:18] <newz2000> yes, sorry for delay, getting hit on two sides
[21:18] <vbabiy> newz2000: don't worry about
[21:21] <newz2000> so you're design is getting better by leaps and strides
[21:22] <newz2000> there are three problems, and two are related to typography
[21:22] <newz2000> so easy to fix
[21:22] <newz2000> we avoid serif fonts and we avoid the Ubuntu title font
[21:23] <newz2000> the other problem is that I think the feature tour should start out by showing features on the first screen without requiring them to make a choice
[21:23] <newz2000> so the first page might be a "highlights" or overview
[21:24] <newz2000> and there will be things like, "office" and "multimedia" as options people can dig into if they like
[21:24] <newz2000> but the first thing they see should make them drool and want ubuntu without seeing a single other page
[21:24] <vbabiy> thats a good point
[21:24] <newz2000> I think you've done a good thing by getting rid of the header image at the top, I think you can also get rid of search
[21:25] <newz2000> that allows you to get a lot of visuals in above the fold
[21:25] <vbabiy> yeah
[21:25] <newz2000> (by above the fold I mean they can see it without having to scroll)
[21:25] <vbabiy> yeah, I understand
[21:27] <vbabiy> newz2000: do you like this for the detail page?
[21:27] <vbabiy> I have some ideas for the drool part
[21:27] <vbabiy> I will play with this weekend
[21:27] <newz2000> what do you mean by detail page?
[21:27] <newz2000> oh I get you
[21:27] <vbabiy> newz2000: kinda like I want to know more
[21:27] <newz2000> gotcha
[21:28] <newz2000> lets see...
[21:28] <newz2000> in my mind I can often imagine things that are impossible to do in the real world
[21:28] <newz2000> but I could imagine us doing a layout this wide like you've done that won't need a detail page
[21:28] <newz2000> for example, imagine the "user stories" block you have in your mockup being present for each image
[21:29] <newz2000> let me find a link... just a sec
[21:29] <vbabiy> oaky
[21:29] <vbabiy> okay
[21:30] <newz2000> http://digitarald.de/playground/fly-over-background/
[21:30] <newz2000> wait for the background iamge to load before you click around
[21:30] <newz2000> and don't get too excited, this idea won't work perfectly
[21:31] <newz2000> but I want you to notice the smooth animation
[21:32] <vbabiy> That would be really nice for the screen shots
[21:32] <newz2000> yeah, but Ken and I tried it a while back and it doesn't work out
[21:32] <vbabiy> that way we could use full desktop shots and only show the keey parts
[21:33] <newz2000> yeah, we tried that
[21:33] <vbabiy> newz2000: why didn't it work
[21:33] <newz2000> you need a huge desktop and then the image is too big, it takes for ever to load or the jpg compression is so high that the picture looks bad
[21:33] <newz2000> but notice the smooth scrolling?
[21:33] <newz2000> so picture this instead...
[21:34] <newz2000> no up down diagnol stuff, just left/right
[21:34] <newz2000> just a sec
[21:34] <newz2000> and images are laid out side by side with a small gap between then, kind of like a filmstrip
[21:34] <vbabiy> that is what I had in mind for the screen shots next to the description
[21:34] <newz2000> but it doesn't need to actually look like a filmstrip
[21:35] <vbabiy> newz2000: yeah kinda like you would do hover sate buttons
[21:35] <vbabiy> in css
[21:35] <newz2000> so when you click the "next" arrow, the image slides in from the right, underneath your gray box
[21:35] <vbabiy> just move the background in a animated way
[21:35] <newz2000> the contents of the grey box would then change to match whatever the current image is (i.e. it would describe the current image)
[21:36] <vbabiy> yeah
[21:36] <newz2000> Do you think you could mock that up?
[21:36]  * emunkki is online for at least a moment, if someone wants to ask something
[21:36] <vbabiy> yeah
[21:36] <vbabiy> emunkki: did you see my mockup?
[21:36] <newz2000> hey emunkki
[21:36] <emunkki> vbabiy, nope
[21:36] <emunkki> hello newz2000
[21:37] <vbabiy> emunkki: http://vbabiy.mine.nu:8080/ let us know what you think
[21:38] <emunkki> hmm, maybe the top part could be just a little bit more effective
[21:38] <emunkki> like not taking so much space
[21:38] <emunkki> but the disc looks great
[21:38] <emunkki> especially if it will have "animated" moving effects
[21:39] <vbabiy> emunkki: that part will have to try but it may get tricky
[21:39] <emunkki> hm..
[21:39] <emunkki> yeah
[21:40] <vbabiy> emunkki: it will have a roller states
[21:40] <emunkki> the reason i'd like the top part (title, navi) to be not so big that i'd like to see the lower media .. thing right away
[21:40] <emunkki> if you know what i'm trying to say
[21:40] <emunkki> i'm a bit bad at english atm :P
[21:41] <vbabiy> well me a newz2000 where talk to loose the nav on the right and make to logo on the top left smaller
[21:41] <emunkki> yes
[21:41] <emunkki> definately
[21:42] <emunkki> and maybe rethink the centered title as well
[21:42] <emunkki> but we'll see how it will look when we have some progress
[21:43] <newz2000> yeah
[21:44] <vbabiy> yeah
[21:44] <vbabiy> http://vbabiy.mine.nu:8080/ here is how it looks with out the nav and small logo
[21:44] <emunkki> but as newz2000(?) i dislike the ubuntu-title font a bit :)
[21:44] <emunkki> ++++
[21:44] <emunkki> maybe ubuntu+linux for humans in the same font
[21:45] <emunkki> (size and written like a sentence)
[21:45] <emunkki> and the "what is new in ubuntu?" text in the right side?
[21:45] <vbabiy> yeah we can play with those fonts
[21:45] <newz2000> I'm pretty sure the heading will be something like, "See what's new for Ubuntu 8.10"
[21:46] <emunkki> ubuntu 8.10 - What's new?
[21:46] <newz2000> maybe in the top right where the nav was there should be a link to the download page
[21:46] <newz2000> sure
[21:46] <emunkki> just add the end next to the ubuntu logo
[21:46] <vbabiy> newz2000: I think we should leave some room for some kinda nav
[21:47] <newz2000> that's fine, do leave room somewhere prominent for the download button
[21:47] <vbabiy> newz2000: okay
[21:48] <vbabiy> do you guys think its a stage that I could start converting it in to HTML
[21:48] <vbabiy> CSS and JS
[21:48] <newz2000> lets get a mockup and send it to the list
[21:48] <newz2000> try to do the things I suggested
[21:49] <newz2000> then we'll get some refinements done
[21:49] <newz2000> but I'm eager to get to the build stage
[21:49] <emunkki> i can definately help with css if there's some problems at any stage
[21:49] <newz2000> vbabiy: what graphic design tool are you using?
[21:50] <vbabiy> newz2000: inkscape, I have completely fallen in LOVE :D
[21:50] <newz2000> cool
[21:50] <vbabiy> newz2000: so you will be gone all next week right
[21:50] <newz2000> if you start slicing now you'll have to do it all over again for sure, so lets get the graphics pretty much how we like them
[21:50] <newz2000> vbabiy: not really, I won't be on as often but I'll be around
[21:50] <vbabiy> o okay
[21:50] <newz2000> I'm not going anywhere
[21:51] <vbabiy> newz2000: O I thought you were traveling
[21:51] <newz2000> no, I'm taking some vacation time to get some work done around the house
[21:52] <vbabiy> I have a 2 hour drive tom, so I will try to get this done tom. and get back to you gys
[21:52] <vbabiy> guys
[21:52] <newz2000> I can't wait to see it
[21:52] <emunkki> me either
[21:52] <newz2000> btw, a new web developer (front end) job came up yesterday
[21:52] <newz2000> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_FEWD/
[21:52] <emunkki> :o
[21:52] <emunkki> hired?
[21:53] <emunkki> aha, job only
[21:53] <newz2000> just showed up on the website yesterday
[21:53] <newz2000> full time employment
[21:53] <emunkki> hmmh.
[21:53] <vbabiy> newz2000: I already applied
[21:53] <vbabiy> I didn't get the last one
[21:53] <emunkki> do you know about the salary?
[21:53] <newz2000> emunkki: the quote I heard back before I started was that Mark hated salary negotians
[21:54] <emunkki> meh
[21:54] <newz2000> honestly though, I have no clue what the cost of living is in your area so just ask for what you think is fair and what you need
[21:54] <emunkki> aha ok
[21:54] <emunkki> not going to apply for that job though
[21:54] <vbabiy> newz2000: have you thought about another meeting yet?
[21:54] <emunkki> i believe that i'll earn a better living with my current job
[21:54] <emunkki> :/
[21:54] <newz2000> freelance is hard to beet
[21:54] <newz2000> beat
[21:54] <newz2000> :-)
[21:54] <emunkki> yes, fd
[21:55] <newz2000> but I personally hated freelance
[21:55] <newz2000> I hated not knowing for sure when I was going to get work
[21:55] <emunkki> especially if you're asking for high rates
[21:55] <newz2000> and I hated not having paid vacations
[21:55] <emunkki> i seem to have the opposite problem :D
[21:55] <newz2000> I worked too much
[21:55] <emunkki> i really don't know when i will have vacation the next time
[21:55] <vbabiy> emunkki: that is the problem with freelance
[21:56] <emunkki> basically yes
[21:56] <newz2000> right, I never took a vacation other than a three day weekend for nearly 5 years
[21:56] <emunkki> things would be a LOT easier if i didn't have to study at the same time
[21:56] <emunkki> well, there's days i just CAN'T work
[21:56] <emunkki> i'm too tired for that (not only because of work)
[21:56] <emunkki> then i'll just hang out, wake up late etc...
[21:56] <emunkki> if i don't have to go to studies
[21:57] <newz2000> some people thrive on freelance type of stuff, I've noticed artists especially do. It was too stressful for me.
[21:57] <vbabiy> well alright guys I will be around ping me if you need me.
[21:57] <newz2000> ok, ttyl vbabiy
[21:57] <newz2000> I think I better go to the doctor, I'm getting sick. :-(
[21:58] <emunkki> newz2000, definately... it's really great to work as a freelnace artist rather than full-time
[21:58] <emunkki> you're way more free of your designs
[21:58] <emunkki> even if the client had their own ideas and wants and needs
[21:59] <newz2000> oh, I'm good at dealing with clients
[21:59] <emunkki> sure, i'm also
[21:59] <newz2000> they get what's good for them if they like it or not. :-)
[21:59] <emunkki> but still they have some needs
[21:59] <emunkki> and i do want that clients are happy
[21:59] <emunkki> i don't need to add every project in my portfolio
[22:00] <emunkki> and can do what clients want, not what i want
[22:00] <emunkki> those clients usually produce more clients..
[22:00] <newz2000> oh yeah, sure. I just mean those clients who can never make up their mind
[22:00] <emunkki> haha, yeah
[22:00] <emunkki> i had one
[22:00] <newz2000> get done and then they want to change everything
[22:00] <emunkki> but she was kind of annoying
[22:00] <emunkki> "please move this photo 1mm left"
[22:00] <emunkki> "in web?"
[22:00] <emunkki> :P
[22:00] <emunkki> and she used ie5.5
[22:00] <emunkki> or was it even 5<5.5
[22:02] <newz2000> I've gotta go to the doctor, I'll have to ttyl
[22:03] <emunkki> yeah, hope you're alright! :)
[23:15] <jpds> Could someone please link the links at: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/mirror/3 ?
[23:15] <jpds> Oh, and the last one should be changed to: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+newmirror