[02:50] <Fredd> crazy xserver updates
[02:51] <Fredd> you guys were right about the white pixels now im getting `em all the time
[03:34] <Fredd> hey just ran all of the xorg updates and my sound is not working no more
[03:35] <Fredd> if i turn the volume really high i could hear the weird sound that speakers make when their volume is full but im not getting any audio output from any program
[03:41] <Fredd> anybody getting the same problem maybe?
[03:44] <JontheEchidna> nope
[03:44] <Fredd> JontheEchidna: did u install the updates too?
[03:44] <JontheEchidna> yes
[03:44] <JontheEchidna> but I don't see how xorg would mess up sound
[03:45] <Fredd> well it just did for me after restarting
[03:45] <Fredd> i have no sound not even core sound for like login events
[03:47] <Fredd> man where is
[03:47] <Fredd> ROAF*
[03:48] <Fredd> so anybody with any suggestions/
[03:52] <Fredd> i think im going to restart a couple of times and then it will start working just like yesterday
[03:54] <JontheEchidna> I did restart since the upgrade since dbus shat itself and killed networkmanager
[03:54] <JontheEchidna> maybe it did the same for you and killed the sound server?
[03:54] <Fredd> how do i know if its killed?
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> I don't know
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> I don't know gnome
[03:55]  * JontheEchidna uses KDE
[03:55] <Fredd> well i can turn up the volume for the volume control tool though
[03:55] <Fredd> and hear the fuzzness
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> anyway, I'm turning in for the night
[04:35] <DanaG> Oh hey, is it possible to "convert" a 32-bit system to 64-bit?
[04:35] <DanaG> .... or at least to match package states and config files?
[04:40] <pwnguin> you could dpkg -l > file
[04:40] <pwnguin> but i guess the config files are tricky
[04:42] <DanaG> Well, luckily, the new laptop (not available until "mid-september" :(  ) will offer a way to stick a second hard drive it in.
[04:42] <DanaG> I'll be able to keep  the old one around for config file retrieval.
[05:45] <spiritssight> what alpha is out now
[05:59] <nteon> hi friends
[06:00] <nteon> dumb question: how do I change runlevels in 8.10?  'telinit 3' and 'start rc3' both do nuffin
[06:01] <nteon> (both commands run as root)
[06:08] <nteon> 'initctl start rc3' also doesn't do what it should
[06:09] <nteon> maybe when I finish updating upstart will work correctly.
[06:14] <DanaG> how about init 3?
[06:24] <nteon> DanaG: no, that doesn't work either
[06:24] <DanaG> Odd.
[06:25] <G_009> Doo
[06:25] <DanaG> Oh yeah, Ubuntu doesn't have anything but '1' and 'everything else' -- upstart doesn't work the same way as runlevels in other distros.
[06:25] <nteon> DanaG: really?  how am I suppose to kill X then?
[06:25] <G_009> ctrlaltdel
[06:25] <DanaG> nope
[06:26] <nteon> (and why are there jobs for all runlevels)
[06:26] <DanaG> invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[06:26] <DanaG> er, sudo it.
[06:27] <nteon> DanaG: is there documentation for this anywhere?
[06:27] <nteon> (and thanks!)
[06:28] <G_009> !x
[06:33] <cypherdelic> Nice, last updates of kernel make my bootanimation of mythbuntu came back, good work, i chang emy bug
[06:35] <Fredd> still no luck guys
[06:35] <Fredd> no more sound!
[06:36] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/257809
[06:36] <DanaG> Isn't that a lovely feature?
[06:37] <cypherdelic> Where to put a command to load it BEFORE XServer (it is 'nvidia-settings -l'? Please help.
[06:37] <Fredd> they are not called bugs just unwanted features
[06:43] <G_009> shame on you for using KDE
[06:43] <G_009> :-
[06:43] <G_009> p
[06:43] <Fredd> anybody could help me with this sound problem?
[06:44] <Fredd> i just dont understand how could a xserver update just completely blackout my sound...i have checked every settings for sound and im pretty sure nothing has changed...
[06:45] <nteon> I have an unrelated sound query: I hear the noise for when GDM (yay for me for using GNOME!) loads, but once I log in it seems to think I don't have any sound devices
[06:53] <Fredd> well finally about time i got it to work lol
[06:54] <Fredd> and no more white pixelz!
[06:55] <Fredd> if any of you guys wanted to know...i went "sudo apt-get --purge remove linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils", "sudo apt-get install linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils", and finally "sudo apt-get install gdm ubuntustudio-desktop"//since im running ubuntustudio
[07:02] <Fredd> from now i guess i just have to be carefull with what i install in terms of libaries and packages
[09:19] <DanaG> wtf... my hda device disappeared from PulseAudio!
[09:19] <DanaG> ... and I can't unload the driver... it's in use
[09:19] <DanaG> ... and yet, nothing is using /dev/snd/*
[09:20] <DanaG> oh wait, mixer applet was using it... but still, it's odd that PulseAudio dropped it.
[11:35] <telexicon> i have some different models of dell servers available, would anybody be interested in the results if i tested installing/using intrepid server on them?
[11:40] <telexicon> for example dell poweredge 2450, 1550/2550, 1650/2650, 2850, 1950/2950 and R805
[12:11] <Technofrood> How do I enable raid4-5 in the kernel? (trying to access an nvidia fakeraid raid5 array, but dmraid claims "ERROR: device-mapper target type "raid4-5" not in kernel")
[12:12] <Technofrood> I had it working in 8.04 before I upgraded but it doesn't seem to work anymore
[12:18] <ikonia> Technofrood: mod probe it, but keep in mind that fake raid is aBAD technology
[12:20] <Technofrood> I did mooodprobe dm-raid-4-5 and got no erros but dmraid -ay still claims its not in kernel
[12:20] <ikonia> Technofrood: does lsmod show it loaded
[12:20] <ikonia> and again keep in mind fake raid is just a massive problem technology as a whole
[12:21] <ikonia> (in my opinion it should be dropped)
[12:21] <Technofrood> Except I need it for when I'm in windows
[12:21] <ikonia> Technofrood: you don't "need" it
[12:21] <ikonia> there are other raid technologies
[12:21] <ikonia> windows has a software raid function
[12:21] <ikonia> the ame as linux
[12:21] <Technofrood> Is there a softwaer raid that works in both windows and linux?
[12:21] <ikonia> same
[12:21] <ikonia> no
[12:22] <ikonia> the whole point of software raid is that its managed by the host OS
[12:22] <ikonia> (not the whole point)
[12:22] <Technofrood> Thus I wouldbn't be able to share files between the two then
[12:22] <Technofrood> which defets the point of trying toi get it to work
[12:22] <ikonia> not on the raid partition, but on a seperate non-raid partition would be fine
[12:23] <Technofrood> I don't happen to have a spare 1.36TB single disk though
[12:23] <ikonia> also keep in mind using 8.10 your using unstable software so trying to get this working for a "stable" purpose is a moving target
[12:23] <ikonia> does lsmod show your modules loaded ?
[12:23] <Technofrood> dm_raid4_5             73100  0
[12:23] <Technofrood> dm_region_hash         19328  1 dm_raid4_5
[12:23] <Technofrood> dm_mem_cache           12672  1 dm_raid4_5
[12:23] <Technofrood> dm_message             11008  1 dm_raid4_5
[12:23] <Technofrood> dm_log                 17540  3 dm_raid4_5,dm_region_hash,dm_mirror
[12:23] <Technofrood> dm_mod                 61640  3 dm_raid4_5,dm_mirror,dm_log
[12:24] <ikonia> all looks great except for the 0 instance of dm_raid4_5
[12:26] <ikonia> what does the syslog say when you are issuing your dmraid commands ?
[12:26] <Technofrood> Aug 16 12:26:42 ubuntu klogd: [ 2404.108015] device-mapper: table: 254:0: raid4-5: unknown target type
[12:27] <Technofrood> Aug 16 12:26:42 ubuntu klogd: [ 2404.108015] device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[12:27] <ikonia> Technofrood: what command are you doing to cause that
[12:29] <Technofrood> dmraid -ay
[12:31] <ikonia> can you do a -c on the block device ?
[12:33] <Technofrood> silly question which one?
[12:33] <siimo> hey.. anyone have issue with boot cd? boot.iso when i try to boot with it i get an error:  Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(104,1)
[12:33] <Technofrood> it lists all the drive idividually
[12:33] <siimo> or something strange like that
[12:34] <ikonia> Technofrood: one of the ones thats not working
[12:34] <ikonia> Technofrood: as in the device mapper device
[12:35] <Technofrood> /dev/mapper/nvidia_hbcgcebg1?
[12:37] <siimo> anyone?
[12:37] <ikonia> well what ever your devices are
[12:37] <ikonia> siimo: for some reason it can't see your disk
[12:37] <Technofrood> that's what I would use to access it normally but its not there
[12:37] <ikonia> Technofrood: ok - so the device isn't created via device mapper yet
[12:37] <siimo> hmm this is the boot cd though.. if it cant see my drive then thats a major fail..
[12:38] <ikonia> well, it's not good
[12:38] <ikonia> Technofrood: did the modules auto load, or did you have to force them with modprobe (I know you said you modprobed them beore)
[12:38] <siimo> i think even dapper worked on this machine so i cant see why the kernel cant recognize my drive now
[12:39] <ikonia> siimo: what has dapper got to do with anything ?
[12:39] <ikonia> siimo: your using a development release of a product that is over 2 months away from release
[12:39] <siimo> i meant this isnt some new hardware.. sata chip
[12:39] <siimo> yes i know that... but it is using a stable version of kernel so it shouldnt fail at such a basic thing even if it is pre alpha
[12:39] <ikonia> siimo: 1.) have you checked the vailidy of your CD 2.) have you checked the vailidy of the image you burnt 3.) how certain are you it's actaully booting from cd
[12:40] <ikonia> siimo: a stable version of the kernel ???
[12:40] <ikonia> siimo: it's in development
[12:40] <siimo> 2.6.26 is final
[12:40] <ikonia> siimo: so ?
[12:40] <siimo> yes i burnt twice.. i have checked cd
[12:40] <ikonia> siimo: how did you check the cD ?
[12:40] <ikonia> siimo: how did you check the iso ?
[12:40] <ikonia> siimo: how much ram does your machine have ?
[12:40] <siimo> by downloading it multiple times from multiple sources and comparing the md5
[12:40] <siimo> 2GB
[12:41] <ikonia> siimo: how did you verify the cd ?
[12:41] <siimo> how do you verify it when buring? yes i did that
[12:41] <ikonia> siimo: how did you veify the burnt cd ?
[12:42] <siimo> by using the verify option in the CD burning program
[12:42] <ikonia> and that passed %100 ?
[12:42] <siimo> yes
[12:42] <ikonia> siimo: your not using any form of raid on the disk
[12:42] <siimo> no, just a standard sata drive in IDE mode
[12:43] <ikonia> part of that looks like a CD error
[12:43] <ikonia> or ram error
[12:43] <ikonia> as it's unompressing into ram
[12:43] <ikonia> eg: the root file system it's trying to mount is squash FS
[12:43] <ikonia> that is unompressed into ram
[12:43] <siimo> theres no ram error im using old version of ubuntu and has been running stable for 19 days without rebooting..
[12:44] <siimo> before i rebooted to run this CD
[12:44] <ikonia> that doesn't really mean much
[12:44] <ikonia> have you tried the CD on another machine yet
[12:44] <siimo> not to mention i been using suspend2ram a lot too, im pretty sure theres no hardware problem
[12:44] <siimo> no, ill try it on another machine now
[12:44] <ikonia> siimo: have you ran memcheck for a couple of hours ?
[12:45] <ikonia> as for what ever reason it's unable to mount what it consideres a root file system, which on a livecd is squashfs uncompressed to ram
[12:45] <siimo> ikonia: like i said theres no need to memcheck this is my everyday machine and is 100% stable.. like you say it could be CD fault or bug in the kernel
[12:45] <ikonia> siimo: are there any warnings before that message
[12:45] <ikonia> siimo: there is a need to memcheck it
[12:45] <ikonia> siimo: every day use does not mean no problem
[12:46] <siimo> true but a pre alpha quality software is more likely to be the problem than my stable system
[12:46] <ikonia> not nessasry at that problem
[12:46] <ikonia> you could have a 1 meg of fault and this hashmap wants to use that 1 meg
[12:48] <siimo> CD is fine
[12:48] <siimo> just tested in a VM
[12:48] <ikonia> well thats a good start
[12:48] <ikonia> and an excellent way to test
[12:49] <siimo> no i think might be incompatible with my hardware.. or maybe i have too many partitions i have 9 of them and ive had a live CD or two have problem with that
[12:49] <ikonia> nah, partitions shouldn't matter as it's unompcressing to ram
[12:49] <ikonia> and with 2GB it shouldn't need to touch the disk
[12:49] <ikonia> you should be able to boot with no physical disk attatched
[12:50] <siimo> i also no that i need to pass the noapic boot parameter othervise kernel panics too
[12:50] <ikonia> I don't see that as a major issue
[12:50] <ikonia> many boards need boot options
[12:50] <siimo> whats worrying is that in VM the cd booted up with the boot screen with various options
[12:51] <siimo> in real system it stops at boot prompt
[12:51] <ikonia> why is that worring ?
[12:51] <ikonia> worrying?
[12:51] <siimo> and i type "linux noapic"  am i supposed to pass anything else
[12:51] <siimo> like kernel name
[12:51] <ikonia> no
[12:51] <ikonia> you type linux noapci ? where do you type that ?
[12:51] <siimo> like i said i dont get the boot screen with options.. i just get black screen with boot prompt
[12:51] <ikonia> are you pressing F6 boot boot options ?
[12:52] <siimo> pressing F1-6 has no effect
[12:52] <ikonia> siimo: what's a boot prompt ?
[12:52] <siimo> the word boot and a : after it
[12:52] <siimo> rest of the screen empty
[12:52] <ikonia> siimo: there is something very wrong there
[12:53] <ikonia> siimo: I suspect thats why your getting the wront rootFS
[12:53] <ikonia> siimo: your not giving the correct boot options from that boot prompt
[12:53] <ikonia> siimo: nor should you be execpted to though
[12:53] <ikonia> expected
[12:53] <siimo> the spalash menu should work,, not sure why it doesnt load
[12:53] <ikonia> yes, thats the problem there
[12:54] <ikonia> (not that the splash screen doesn't work - the fact that the splash screen is not there to pass the correct boot options)
[12:55] <siimo> ill give it another go brb
[12:55] <ikonia> I don't think rebooting will change anything
[12:58] <siimo> cool problem solved
[12:59] <siimo> i tried pressing f1 to f6 and managed to get txt help.. then typed install noapic and that worked.. i guess linux noapic was wrong
[13:03] <danbhfive> anyone know whats going on with this idea? http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/40/
[13:03] <danbhfive> The launchpad link is dead
[13:21] <ikonia> danbhfive: contact the project team
[13:22] <danbhfive> ikonia: but the link is dead... how do I find the project team?
[13:22] <danbhfive> https://launchpad.net/hwtest
[13:23] <danbhfive> I think Ill just post to the launchpad mailing list
[13:24] <ikonia> seems sensible as your question isn't really anything aimed at ubuntu+1
[13:26] <as1965> Has anyone installed intrepid alpha4 alternate ISO i386? I have tried twice now - and it stops after ~70% (base system) wanting another CDROM
[13:27] <as1965> It wants the disk labelled "Ubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ Aplha i386 (20080813)"
[13:27] <as1965> A "mwdia change" - I have to reboot (cannot go back or continue)
[13:28] <as1965> The first time I rebooted - it hosed my original boot loader and I had to "recover" (reinstall grub)
[15:49] <siimo> hi, when using a custom compiled kernel.. my mouse doesnt work at all in ibex.. but it works in normal ubuntu kernel, any ideas? its a PS2 mouse and i have compiled the drivers in properly.. the same kernel works elsewhere
[16:12] <as1965> siimo: might be worth checking the diff between your kernel config and the ibex kernel config (as per /boot)
[19:12] <Sharpie> flash content makes firefox slow down to a halt. is this a reported bug or does this only happen to me?
[19:59] <PolitikerALT> Hello everyone - I got a problem: I have a long boot time, maybe because vol_id takes 20 secs or so - how can I avoid this?
[20:16] <Volkodav> if I have Ethernet jack bad in my laptop will the USBtoRj-45 help or it will use the same busted network card?
[20:43] <doggymenz> anyone have problem with audio skipping?
[21:52] <cycom> is there any word from AMD/ATI when the newest fglrx will be available and ready for Xorg 7.4?
[21:52] <cycom> or a decent procedure for downgrading hardy's 7.4 to 7.3 so I can use the old fglrx?
[21:52] <cycom> downgrading intrepid's*
[22:02] <DanaG> Does the open-source driver not work for you?
[22:02] <cycom> DanaG: not for 3d and compiz...
[22:02] <DanaG> Aah, right.
[22:03] <DanaG> Well, at least that situation is better than the situation with nvidia 71 drivers.
[22:03] <crdlb> cycom: what model is it?
[22:03] <DanaG> NVIDIA 71 is just plain broken -- and 'nv' sucks.
[22:03] <cycom> crdlb: what model of video card? Mobility Radeon X1300
[22:04] <cycom> DanaG: I was fortunate enough to have a GeForce Go 7300 to stick in my laptop to replace the Mobility Radeon X1400 that was in it
[22:04] <crdlb> R500 should have compiz support with latest stuff
[22:04] <DanaG> You must've been doubly fortunate to have MXM.
[22:05] <DanaG> My next laptop will have an ATI HD3650.
[22:05] <cycom> crdlb: with which drivers?
[22:05] <crdlb> open source driver
[22:05] <DanaG> With the current state of radeonhd and that card, do the closed-source drivers give any benefit over the open ones?
[22:06] <cycom> crdlb: if so, AWESOME, because intrepid is the first release to support suspend/resume on that laptop as well :)
[22:06] <cycom> DanaG: MXM?
[22:06] <cycom> crdlb: I'll have to pull the Alpha 4 iso down and try it
[22:06] <crdlb> I know it requires mesa 7.1, which intrepid has
[22:06] <DanaG> MXM... a GPU on a card, that's changeable.
[22:06] <crdlb> I don't know if intrepid has all the other pieces though
[22:06] <cycom> DanaG: oh :)
[22:07] <crdlb> DanaG: radeonhd still has hardly any 3d support, right?
[22:07] <cycom> crdlb: would the LiveCD let me know?
[22:08] <crdlb> yes
[22:08] <cycom> ok. I'll give it a shot.
[22:08] <DanaG> The only 3D thing I do is Compiz-Fusion, anyway.
[22:08] <DanaG> All my games are in Windows.
[22:08] <crdlb> although you'll have to override that ridiculous blacklist for compiz if that hasn't been removed in intrepid
[22:09] <cycom> that's easy enough to do.
[22:09] <DanaG> Lovely feature: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/257809
[22:09] <cycom> I wonder if my fingerprint reader will work.
[22:09] <cycom> I saw some software, but it doesn't seem to use the fingerprint reader's stored prints, so...
[22:10] <cycom> or more than one finger, for that matter.
[22:11] <DanaG> libpam-fprint
[22:11] <DanaG> and fprint-tools
[22:11] <DanaG> google for "gdm fingerprint"
[22:12] <cycom> cool
[22:13] <cycom> I'll worry about that later I suppose.  I'm busy slurping down the intrepid-desktop-i386.iso
[22:13] <DanaG> I'm going to get this (15") laptop when it's available: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Newsentry.153+M525c5454f12.0.html
[22:13] <DanaG> With the ATI card, not nvidia.
[22:13] <cycom> why?
[22:19] <DanaG> For the sake of having open-source video drivers.
[22:19] <DanaG> I'm sick of dealing with nvidia... it's given me nothing but headaches, in both Windows and Linux.
[22:21] <cycom> DanaG: I had no trouble with intrepid and my nvidia card...
[22:21] <cycom> and on my vista 64 bit desktop, my GeForce 9600 GT works great!
[22:21] <DanaG> Still, I also want to support the spirit of open-source.
[22:22] <DanaG> ... and nvidia has also had that "defective cards" issue.
[22:22] <cycom> My 7950 failed, and the company sent me a free 9600GT because they were out of 7950
[22:22] <cycom> every company has defective hadware at some point.
[22:24] <DanaG> ... anyway, open-source is a big thing.
[22:24] <DanaG> ... and nvidia's Windows control panel sucks; frankly, I prefer the ATI one.  And ATI's Hydravision is now available on Vista; NView isn't.
[22:24] <DanaG> ... and you can use the awesome ATI Tray Tools with ATI..... but not with nvidia, of course.
[22:26] <DanaG> Ugh, this dmesg spam is lame.
[22:26] <DanaG> dmesg | grep preamble | wc -l
[22:26] <DanaG> 1533
[22:26] <DanaG> [65165.329291] wlan0: switched to long barker preamble (BSSID=00:16:01:d6:9b:a8)
[22:26] <DanaG> [65168.460223] wlan0: switched to short barker preamble (BSSID=00:16:01:d6:9b:a8)            .... over and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over  and over
[22:35] <cycom> crdlb: ok, compiz.real dumps errors about GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing
[22:36] <crdlb> cycom: what does 'glxinfo | grep direct' say?
[22:36] <cycom> crdlb: direct rendering: Yes
[22:36] <crdlb> cycom: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:37] <cycom> crdlb: it's the default from the liveCD, just FYI
[22:38] <cycom> my Xorg.conf that is
[22:38] <crdlb> but that's not what I'm looking for :>
[22:38] <cycom> crdlb: I understand :)
[22:39] <cycom> paste.ubuntu.com work for you?
[22:39] <crdlb> of course :)
[22:40] <cycom> http://paste.ubuntu.com/38048/
[22:40] <cycom> there you go
[22:42] <cycom> ohho. compiz: found laptop using ati driver.
[22:42] <crdlb> ohhhh
[22:43] <crdlb> you ran compiz.real directly?
[22:43] <cycom> yes. also, I ran it as sudo
[22:43] <crdlb> argh
[22:43] <crdlb> why on earth would you use sudo?
[22:43] <cycom> all my fault. sorry :/
[22:43] <crdlb> but now this makes sense
[22:43] <crdlb> run: SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace
[22:44] <crdlb> LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 needs to be set for compiz to work on AIGLX
[22:44] <crdlb> which the compiz script (upstream: compiz-manager) handles for you
[22:45] <cycom> alrighty, so if I tell it SKIP_CHECK=yes, compiz should work?
[22:45] <crdlb> CHECKS*
[22:46] <crdlb> but yes, try that in a terminal
[22:46] <cycom> ok dokie
[22:46] <cycom> hrm...
[22:46] <cycom> I seem to be getting fading and things...
[22:46] <cycom> lets see if wobbly windows works
[22:46] <crdlb> press super+E
[22:47] <cycom> ah yes, expo works
[22:47] <cycom> amazing!
[22:47] <crdlb> nice, thx for testing :>
[22:47] <cycom> this means that I can install ubuntu on my Toshiba and be happy :)
[22:47] <cycom> thanks for the help!
[22:47]  * crdlb makes a note that R500 works with compiz in intrepid
[22:48] <cycom> if my laptop comes out of suspend...
[22:48] <cycom> OH YEAH!
[22:48] <cycom> Works like a charm.
[22:49] <cycom> Time for an install
[23:27] <cycom> hey crdlb, any idea what's up with the psychadelic ptys and such on boot?
[23:28] <crdlb> not a clue
[23:28] <crdlb> sounds like a feature :P
[23:28] <cycom> I'm getting like black and gray or red and gray lines or just a bunch of blocks and things
[23:28] <cycom> but then X pops up just fine
[23:28] <cycom> very strange.
[23:28] <cycom> I can't read any boot messages at all.
[23:28] <cycom> more than one laptop too.  NVidia AND ATI video cards.
[23:43] <JollyGiant> cycom: blacklist uvesafb in the initramfs
[23:44] <JollyGiant> cycom: or maybe install v86d