[02:50] crazy xserver updates [02:51] you guys were right about the white pixels now im getting `em all the time === catweazle_ is now known as catweazle [03:34] hey just ran all of the xorg updates and my sound is not working no more [03:35] if i turn the volume really high i could hear the weird sound that speakers make when their volume is full but im not getting any audio output from any program [03:41] anybody getting the same problem maybe? === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [03:44] nope [03:44] JontheEchidna: did u install the updates too? [03:44] yes [03:44] but I don't see how xorg would mess up sound [03:45] well it just did for me after restarting [03:45] i have no sound not even core sound for like login events [03:47] man where is [03:47] ROAF* [03:48] so anybody with any suggestions/ [03:52] i think im going to restart a couple of times and then it will start working just like yesterday [03:54] I did restart since the upgrade since dbus shat itself and killed networkmanager [03:54] maybe it did the same for you and killed the sound server? [03:54] how do i know if its killed? [03:55] I don't know [03:55] I don't know gnome [03:55] * JontheEchidna uses KDE [03:55] well i can turn up the volume for the volume control tool though [03:55] and hear the fuzzness [03:56] anyway, I'm turning in for the night [04:35] Oh hey, is it possible to "convert" a 32-bit system to 64-bit? [04:35] .... or at least to match package states and config files? [04:40] you could dpkg -l > file [04:40] but i guess the config files are tricky [04:42] Well, luckily, the new laptop (not available until "mid-september" :( ) will offer a way to stick a second hard drive it in. [04:42] I'll be able to keep the old one around for config file retrieval. [05:45] what alpha is out now [05:59] hi friends [06:00] dumb question: how do I change runlevels in 8.10? 'telinit 3' and 'start rc3' both do nuffin [06:01] (both commands run as root) [06:08] 'initctl start rc3' also doesn't do what it should [06:09] maybe when I finish updating upstart will work correctly. [06:14] how about init 3? [06:24] DanaG: no, that doesn't work either [06:24] Odd. [06:25] Doo [06:25] Oh yeah, Ubuntu doesn't have anything but '1' and 'everything else' -- upstart doesn't work the same way as runlevels in other distros. [06:25] DanaG: really? how am I suppose to kill X then? [06:25] ctrlaltdel [06:25] nope [06:26] (and why are there jobs for all runlevels) [06:26] invoke-rc.d gdm stop [06:26] er, sudo it. [06:27] DanaG: is there documentation for this anywhere? [06:27] (and thanks!) [06:28] !x [06:28] The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto [06:33] Nice, last updates of kernel make my bootanimation of mythbuntu came back, good work, i chang emy bug [06:35] still no luck guys [06:35] no more sound! [06:36] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/257809 [06:36] Launchpad bug 257809 in kde-guidance "guidance-backends overwrites xorg.conf without confirmation or notification, if video card has changed since last boot" [Undecided,New] [06:36] Isn't that a lovely feature? [06:37] Where to put a command to load it BEFORE XServer (it is 'nvidia-settings -l'? Please help. [06:37] they are not called bugs just unwanted features [06:43] shame on you for using KDE [06:43] :- [06:43] p [06:43] anybody could help me with this sound problem? [06:44] i just dont understand how could a xserver update just completely blackout my sound...i have checked every settings for sound and im pretty sure nothing has changed... [06:45] I have an unrelated sound query: I hear the noise for when GDM (yay for me for using GNOME!) loads, but once I log in it seems to think I don't have any sound devices [06:53] well finally about time i got it to work lol [06:54] and no more white pixelz! [06:55] if any of you guys wanted to know...i went "sudo apt-get --purge remove linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils", "sudo apt-get install linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils", and finally "sudo apt-get install gdm ubuntustudio-desktop"//since im running ubuntustudio [07:02] from now i guess i just have to be carefull with what i install in terms of libaries and packages [09:19] wtf... my hda device disappeared from PulseAudio! [09:19] ... and I can't unload the driver... it's in use [09:19] ... and yet, nothing is using /dev/snd/* [09:20] oh wait, mixer applet was using it... but still, it's odd that PulseAudio dropped it. [11:35] i have some different models of dell servers available, would anybody be interested in the results if i tested installing/using intrepid server on them? [11:40] for example dell poweredge 2450, 1550/2550, 1650/2650, 2850, 1950/2950 and R805 === bod_ is now known as Bodsda [12:11] How do I enable raid4-5 in the kernel? (trying to access an nvidia fakeraid raid5 array, but dmraid claims "ERROR: device-mapper target type "raid4-5" not in kernel") [12:12] I had it working in 8.04 before I upgraded but it doesn't seem to work anymore [12:18] Technofrood: mod probe it, but keep in mind that fake raid is aBAD technology [12:20] I did mooodprobe dm-raid-4-5 and got no erros but dmraid -ay still claims its not in kernel [12:20] Technofrood: does lsmod show it loaded [12:20] and again keep in mind fake raid is just a massive problem technology as a whole [12:21] (in my opinion it should be dropped) [12:21] Except I need it for when I'm in windows [12:21] Technofrood: you don't "need" it [12:21] there are other raid technologies [12:21] windows has a software raid function [12:21] the ame as linux [12:21] Is there a softwaer raid that works in both windows and linux? [12:21] same [12:21] no [12:22] the whole point of software raid is that its managed by the host OS [12:22] (not the whole point) [12:22] Thus I wouldbn't be able to share files between the two then [12:22] which defets the point of trying toi get it to work [12:22] not on the raid partition, but on a seperate non-raid partition would be fine [12:23] I don't happen to have a spare 1.36TB single disk though [12:23] also keep in mind using 8.10 your using unstable software so trying to get this working for a "stable" purpose is a moving target [12:23] does lsmod show your modules loaded ? [12:23] dm_raid4_5 73100 0 [12:23] dm_region_hash 19328 1 dm_raid4_5 [12:23] dm_mem_cache 12672 1 dm_raid4_5 [12:23] dm_message 11008 1 dm_raid4_5 [12:23] dm_log 17540 3 dm_raid4_5,dm_region_hash,dm_mirror [12:23] dm_mod 61640 3 dm_raid4_5,dm_mirror,dm_log [12:24] all looks great except for the 0 instance of dm_raid4_5 [12:26] what does the syslog say when you are issuing your dmraid commands ? [12:26] Aug 16 12:26:42 ubuntu klogd: [ 2404.108015] device-mapper: table: 254:0: raid4-5: unknown target type [12:27] Aug 16 12:26:42 ubuntu klogd: [ 2404.108015] device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table [12:27] Technofrood: what command are you doing to cause that [12:29] dmraid -ay === slavecoder250 is now known as oxigen [12:31] can you do a -c on the block device ? [12:33] silly question which one? [12:33] hey.. anyone have issue with boot cd? boot.iso when i try to boot with it i get an error: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(104,1) [12:33] it lists all the drive idividually [12:33] or something strange like that [12:34] Technofrood: one of the ones thats not working [12:34] Technofrood: as in the device mapper device [12:35] /dev/mapper/nvidia_hbcgcebg1? [12:37] anyone? [12:37] well what ever your devices are [12:37] siimo: for some reason it can't see your disk [12:37] that's what I would use to access it normally but its not there [12:37] Technofrood: ok - so the device isn't created via device mapper yet [12:37] hmm this is the boot cd though.. if it cant see my drive then thats a major fail.. [12:38] well, it's not good === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [12:38] Technofrood: did the modules auto load, or did you have to force them with modprobe (I know you said you modprobed them beore) [12:38] i think even dapper worked on this machine so i cant see why the kernel cant recognize my drive now [12:39] siimo: what has dapper got to do with anything ? [12:39] siimo: your using a development release of a product that is over 2 months away from release [12:39] i meant this isnt some new hardware.. sata chip [12:39] yes i know that... but it is using a stable version of kernel so it shouldnt fail at such a basic thing even if it is pre alpha [12:39] siimo: 1.) have you checked the vailidy of your CD 2.) have you checked the vailidy of the image you burnt 3.) how certain are you it's actaully booting from cd [12:40] siimo: a stable version of the kernel ??? [12:40] siimo: it's in development [12:40] 2.6.26 is final [12:40] siimo: so ? [12:40] yes i burnt twice.. i have checked cd [12:40] siimo: how did you check the cD ? [12:40] siimo: how did you check the iso ? [12:40] siimo: how much ram does your machine have ? [12:40] by downloading it multiple times from multiple sources and comparing the md5 [12:40] 2GB [12:41] siimo: how did you verify the cd ? [12:41] how do you verify it when buring? yes i did that [12:41] siimo: how did you veify the burnt cd ? [12:42] by using the verify option in the CD burning program [12:42] and that passed %100 ? [12:42] yes [12:42] siimo: your not using any form of raid on the disk [12:42] no, just a standard sata drive in IDE mode [12:43] part of that looks like a CD error [12:43] or ram error [12:43] as it's unompressing into ram [12:43] eg: the root file system it's trying to mount is squash FS [12:43] that is unompressed into ram [12:43] theres no ram error im using old version of ubuntu and has been running stable for 19 days without rebooting.. [12:44] before i rebooted to run this CD [12:44] that doesn't really mean much [12:44] have you tried the CD on another machine yet [12:44] not to mention i been using suspend2ram a lot too, im pretty sure theres no hardware problem [12:44] no, ill try it on another machine now [12:44] siimo: have you ran memcheck for a couple of hours ? [12:45] as for what ever reason it's unable to mount what it consideres a root file system, which on a livecd is squashfs uncompressed to ram [12:45] ikonia: like i said theres no need to memcheck this is my everyday machine and is 100% stable.. like you say it could be CD fault or bug in the kernel [12:45] siimo: are there any warnings before that message [12:45] siimo: there is a need to memcheck it [12:45] siimo: every day use does not mean no problem [12:46] true but a pre alpha quality software is more likely to be the problem than my stable system [12:46] not nessasry at that problem [12:46] you could have a 1 meg of fault and this hashmap wants to use that 1 meg [12:48] CD is fine [12:48] just tested in a VM [12:48] well thats a good start [12:48] and an excellent way to test [12:49] no i think might be incompatible with my hardware.. or maybe i have too many partitions i have 9 of them and ive had a live CD or two have problem with that [12:49] nah, partitions shouldn't matter as it's unompcressing to ram [12:49] and with 2GB it shouldn't need to touch the disk [12:49] you should be able to boot with no physical disk attatched [12:50] i also no that i need to pass the noapic boot parameter othervise kernel panics too [12:50] I don't see that as a major issue [12:50] many boards need boot options [12:50] whats worrying is that in VM the cd booted up with the boot screen with various options [12:51] in real system it stops at boot prompt [12:51] why is that worring ? [12:51] worrying? [12:51] and i type "linux noapic" am i supposed to pass anything else [12:51] like kernel name [12:51] no [12:51] you type linux noapci ? where do you type that ? [12:51] like i said i dont get the boot screen with options.. i just get black screen with boot prompt [12:51] are you pressing F6 boot boot options ? [12:52] pressing F1-6 has no effect [12:52] siimo: what's a boot prompt ? [12:52] the word boot and a : after it [12:52] rest of the screen empty [12:52] siimo: there is something very wrong there [12:53] siimo: I suspect thats why your getting the wront rootFS [12:53] siimo: your not giving the correct boot options from that boot prompt [12:53] siimo: nor should you be execpted to though [12:53] expected [12:53] the spalash menu should work,, not sure why it doesnt load [12:53] yes, thats the problem there [12:54] (not that the splash screen doesn't work - the fact that the splash screen is not there to pass the correct boot options) [12:55] ill give it another go brb [12:55] I don't think rebooting will change anything [12:58] cool problem solved [12:59] i tried pressing f1 to f6 and managed to get txt help.. then typed install noapic and that worked.. i guess linux noapic was wrong [13:03] anyone know whats going on with this idea? http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/40/ [13:03] The launchpad link is dead [13:21] danbhfive: contact the project team [13:22] ikonia: but the link is dead... how do I find the project team? [13:22] https://launchpad.net/hwtest [13:23] I think Ill just post to the launchpad mailing list [13:24] seems sensible as your question isn't really anything aimed at ubuntu+1 [13:26] Has anyone installed intrepid alpha4 alternate ISO i386? I have tried twice now - and it stops after ~70% (base system) wanting another CDROM [13:27] It wants the disk labelled "Ubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ Aplha i386 (20080813)" [13:27] A "mwdia change" - I have to reboot (cannot go back or continue) [13:28] The first time I rebooted - it hosed my original boot loader and I had to "recover" (reinstall grub) === evalles_ is now known as effie_jayx === PriceChild is now known as to === to is now known as PriceChild [15:49] hi, when using a custom compiled kernel.. my mouse doesnt work at all in ibex.. but it works in normal ubuntu kernel, any ideas? its a PS2 mouse and i have compiled the drivers in properly.. the same kernel works elsewhere [16:12] siimo: might be worth checking the diff between your kernel config and the ibex kernel config (as per /boot) [19:12] flash content makes firefox slow down to a halt. is this a reported bug or does this only happen to me? [19:59] Hello everyone - I got a problem: I have a long boot time, maybe because vol_id takes 20 secs or so - how can I avoid this? [20:16] if I have Ethernet jack bad in my laptop will the USBtoRj-45 help or it will use the same busted network card? [20:43] anyone have problem with audio skipping? [21:52] is there any word from AMD/ATI when the newest fglrx will be available and ready for Xorg 7.4? [21:52] or a decent procedure for downgrading hardy's 7.4 to 7.3 so I can use the old fglrx? [21:52] downgrading intrepid's* [22:02] Does the open-source driver not work for you? [22:02] DanaG: not for 3d and compiz... [22:02] Aah, right. [22:03] Well, at least that situation is better than the situation with nvidia 71 drivers. [22:03] cycom: what model is it? [22:03] NVIDIA 71 is just plain broken -- and 'nv' sucks. [22:03] crdlb: what model of video card? Mobility Radeon X1300 [22:04] DanaG: I was fortunate enough to have a GeForce Go 7300 to stick in my laptop to replace the Mobility Radeon X1400 that was in it [22:04] R500 should have compiz support with latest stuff [22:04] You must've been doubly fortunate to have MXM. [22:05] My next laptop will have an ATI HD3650. [22:05] crdlb: with which drivers? [22:05] open source driver [22:05] With the current state of radeonhd and that card, do the closed-source drivers give any benefit over the open ones? [22:06] crdlb: if so, AWESOME, because intrepid is the first release to support suspend/resume on that laptop as well :) [22:06] DanaG: MXM? [22:06] crdlb: I'll have to pull the Alpha 4 iso down and try it [22:06] I know it requires mesa 7.1, which intrepid has [22:06] MXM... a GPU on a card, that's changeable. [22:06] I don't know if intrepid has all the other pieces though [22:06] DanaG: oh :) [22:07] DanaG: radeonhd still has hardly any 3d support, right? [22:07] crdlb: would the LiveCD let me know? [22:08] yes [22:08] ok. I'll give it a shot. [22:08] The only 3D thing I do is Compiz-Fusion, anyway. [22:08] All my games are in Windows. [22:08] although you'll have to override that ridiculous blacklist for compiz if that hasn't been removed in intrepid [22:09] that's easy enough to do. [22:09] Lovely feature: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/257809 [22:09] Launchpad bug 257809 in kde-guidance "guidance-backends overwrites xorg.conf without confirmation or notification, if video card has changed since last boot" [Undecided,New] [22:09] I wonder if my fingerprint reader will work. [22:09] I saw some software, but it doesn't seem to use the fingerprint reader's stored prints, so... [22:10] or more than one finger, for that matter. [22:11] libpam-fprint [22:11] and fprint-tools [22:11] google for "gdm fingerprint" [22:12] cool [22:13] I'll worry about that later I suppose. I'm busy slurping down the intrepid-desktop-i386.iso [22:13] I'm going to get this (15") laptop when it's available: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Newsentry.153+M525c5454f12.0.html [22:13] With the ATI card, not nvidia. [22:13] why? [22:19] For the sake of having open-source video drivers. [22:19] I'm sick of dealing with nvidia... it's given me nothing but headaches, in both Windows and Linux. [22:21] DanaG: I had no trouble with intrepid and my nvidia card... [22:21] and on my vista 64 bit desktop, my GeForce 9600 GT works great! [22:21] Still, I also want to support the spirit of open-source. [22:22] ... and nvidia has also had that "defective cards" issue. [22:22] My 7950 failed, and the company sent me a free 9600GT because they were out of 7950 [22:22] every company has defective hadware at some point. [22:24] ... anyway, open-source is a big thing. [22:24] ... and nvidia's Windows control panel sucks; frankly, I prefer the ATI one. And ATI's Hydravision is now available on Vista; NView isn't. [22:24] ... and you can use the awesome ATI Tray Tools with ATI..... but not with nvidia, of course. [22:26] Ugh, this dmesg spam is lame. [22:26] dmesg | grep preamble | wc -l [22:26] 1533 [22:26] [65165.329291] wlan0: switched to long barker preamble (BSSID=00:16:01:d6:9b:a8) [22:26] [65168.460223] wlan0: switched to short barker preamble (BSSID=00:16:01:d6:9b:a8) .... over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over [22:35] crdlb: ok, compiz.real dumps errors about GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing [22:36] cycom: what does 'glxinfo | grep direct' say? [22:36] crdlb: direct rendering: Yes [22:36] cycom: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log [22:37] crdlb: it's the default from the liveCD, just FYI [22:38] my Xorg.conf that is [22:38] but that's not what I'm looking for :> [22:38] crdlb: I understand :) [22:39] paste.ubuntu.com work for you? [22:39] of course :) [22:40] http://paste.ubuntu.com/38048/ [22:40] there you go [22:42] ohho. compiz: found laptop using ati driver. [22:42] ohhhh [22:43] you ran compiz.real directly? [22:43] yes. also, I ran it as sudo [22:43] argh [22:43] why on earth would you use sudo? [22:43] all my fault. sorry :/ [22:43] but now this makes sense [22:43] run: SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace [22:44] LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 needs to be set for compiz to work on AIGLX [22:44] which the compiz script (upstream: compiz-manager) handles for you [22:45] alrighty, so if I tell it SKIP_CHECK=yes, compiz should work? [22:45] CHECKS* [22:46] but yes, try that in a terminal [22:46] ok dokie [22:46] hrm... [22:46] I seem to be getting fading and things... [22:46] lets see if wobbly windows works [22:46] press super+E [22:47] ah yes, expo works [22:47] amazing! [22:47] nice, thx for testing :> [22:47] this means that I can install ubuntu on my Toshiba and be happy :) [22:47] thanks for the help! [22:47] * crdlb makes a note that R500 works with compiz in intrepid [22:48] if my laptop comes out of suspend... [22:48] OH YEAH! [22:48] Works like a charm. [22:49] Time for an install === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [23:27] hey crdlb, any idea what's up with the psychadelic ptys and such on boot? [23:28] not a clue [23:28] sounds like a feature :P [23:28] I'm getting like black and gray or red and gray lines or just a bunch of blocks and things [23:28] but then X pops up just fine [23:28] very strange. [23:28] I can't read any boot messages at all. [23:28] more than one laptop too. NVidia AND ATI video cards. [23:43] cycom: blacklist uvesafb in the initramfs [23:44] cycom: or maybe install v86d