[01:56] <meoblast001> hi
[01:57] <meoblast001> what is the new theme gonna look like
[05:58] <emma> Intrepid is wonderful.
[06:00] <elkbuntu> you wont agree when it eats your grub like it did mine the other day.
[06:21]  * Hobbsee wonders where the multimedia buttons have gone
[06:25]  * DanaG asks Hobbsee: is your keyboard layout set to "Evdev Managed Keyboard"?
[06:25] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and how do I make myself privileged to set realtime priority on stuff without running it as root?
[06:25] <DanaG> ( for stuff such as timidity.)
[06:26] <Hobbsee> DanaG: nope.  where does that get set?
[06:26] <Hobbsee>         Option          "XkbLayout"     "us" ?
[06:26] <DanaG> KDE, or Gnome?
[06:26] <Hobbsee> gnome
[06:26] <DanaG> Aah, System->Preferences->Keyboard
[06:27] <DanaG> Tab: layouts.
[06:27] <Hobbsee> then, yes.
[06:27] <Hobbsee> it is
[06:27] <DanaG> Aah.
[06:27] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, maybe the config looks like my menu.lst :Þ
[06:27] <DanaG> Oh yeah, now go to Keyboard Shortcuts and rebind them; they may have changed from raw hex into names.
[06:28] <DanaG> Random bug link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/217504
[06:29] <Hobbsee> DanaG: that's done it, thanks.
[06:29] <Hobbsee> although, my advance key doesn't work still
[06:31] <Hobbsee> i wonder if it's that bug...
[06:34] <DanaG> Advance?  As in, next tracks?
[06:34] <DanaG> s/tracks/track/
[06:35] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:36] <Hobbsee> xev doesn't find it at all
[06:36] <Hobbsee> it came in in hardy, but i don't think it ever got tracked down
[06:39] <DanaG> Hmm, does 'showkey' on console give anything?
[06:39] <Hobbsee> DanaG: Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console ?
[06:39] <DanaG> Or does it maybe show up when you do 'tail -f /var/log/acpid'
[06:39] <DanaG> showkey has to be on a TTY.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> what do i do?  run it on a TTY, and press the button?  i don't need to pipe somewhere?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> iirc, last time i tried something w ith showkey, it did Really Bad Things...
[06:44] <Hobbsee> ah, right.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> DanaG: it doesn't come up on showkey, nor on acpid.
[06:45] <DanaG> Odd.
[06:45] <DanaG> What type of laptop?
[06:45] <Hobbsee> dell 6400
[06:45] <Hobbsee> what's really odd is that these worked before.
[06:46] <DanaG> Odd.
[06:54] <Hobbsee> ah...
[06:55] <Hobbsee> hm.  nope, not that.
[06:56] <Hobbsee> the key that isn't working is defined twice in hotkey setup...
[07:19] <siimo> anyone having random x server crashes? ><
[07:20] <RAOF> Not I, said the wolf.
[07:20] <siimo> i think it might have something to do with vmware
[07:21] <siimo> im working away and all of a sudden im dropped to a terminal window
[08:26] <Ayabara> is there a trigger I can use here to search for packages in 8.10?
[08:27] <RAOF> Ayabara: !find works, but please play with it in a privmessage.
[08:28] <Ayabara> RAOF: thanks. can I find out the version of sw as well? what I wonder is if digikam 0.10 beta2 is installed in 8.10
[08:28] <RAOF> !info digikam
[08:30] <geser> check also LP as ubottu knows only packages which got successfully build
[08:30] <Ayabara> RAOF: ah. ok.
[08:31] <geser> intrepid "has" digikam 0.9.4 but it FTBFS
[08:31] <Ayabara> I thought intrepid was gonna be kde4
[08:37] <gnomefreak> Ayabara: it is
[08:37] <Ayabara> gnomefreak: but kde3 as well, since digikam is version 0.9.4?
[08:37] <gnomefreak> Ayabara: no
[08:39] <gnomefreak> Ayabara: intrepid doesnt have a ~/.kde3 its ~/.kde and by default that is kde4
[08:40] <Ayabara> gnomefreak: ok. shouldn't digikam 0.10 be the one included then?
[08:40] <gnomefreak> Ayabara: im sorry at the moment we do have kde3 dir
[08:40]  * gnomefreak wonders if things have changed
[08:41] <crdlb> !info digikam-kde4
[08:41]  * gnomefreak is asking
[08:42] <Ayabara> aha. I want that to be beta-2 instead :)
[08:43] <Ayabara> Is II usable if I accept the occasional crash/bug? sorry, but I had to ask ;-)
[08:43] <RAOF> Yes; I use it.
[08:43] <RAOF> That said, don't expect it to boot tomorrow :)
[08:43] <gnomefreak> maybe it is gonna be kde4 since ~/.kde4 is empty for most part
[08:44] <Ayabara> RAOF: point taken :)
[08:48] <gnomefreak> RAOF: do you knwo wherer the system beep setting is at. i couldnt find it in gconf
[08:49] <RAOF> gnomefreak: I'm not even totally sure which system beep you mean :)
[08:49] <gnomefreak> RAOF: the beep from CPU
[08:49] <gnomefreak> RAOF: the "ping" that you get when someone says your nick in IRC among other places
[08:50]  * RAOF doesn't get one of those.
[08:50] <RAOF> Regardless of which particular beep it is, I don't know. :)
[08:50] <gnomefreak> RAOF: ok thanks
[08:52] <Ayabara> digikam released beta2 on the 1st of august. what's a good guess for when it will reach the repos?
[08:54] <siimo> i wanna know when transmisson 1.32 will hit it
[08:54] <RAOF> When someone packages it?
[08:54] <RAOF> ;)
[08:55] <siimo> it is the official torrent client ><
[08:56] <siimo> atleast fonts in ubuntU+1 look nice n crispy
[08:59] <DanaG> Beep from CPU?  Processors can't beep.
[08:59] <DanaG> The more correct term is "case" or "chassis" or "motherboard" or something like that.
[08:59] <DanaG> Or merely "PC Speaker"
[09:20] <Dr_willis> Speakerdectomy time! :)
[09:22] <DanaG> Nope, blacklist snd_pcsp time.
[09:25] <Dr_willis> thats not as fun!
[10:11] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[10:46] <rexy_> when you fire up update-manager -d in hardy is it supposed to show you the option to update to intrepid alpa ## or do you have to adjust the apt-sources to be able to upgrade?
[11:15] <DanaG> you may need '-c' for "consider development versions'
[11:16] <Poisson> 大家好阿
[11:16] <Poisson> I am a chinese
[11:29] <rexy_> No such option with -c either DanaG
[11:32] <RAOF> rexy_: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha4 is likely what you want.
[11:33] <rexy_> nah that's just iso's, seem to recall having done upgrades this way on previous releases, but maybe those were beta's iunoo
[11:46] <gnomefreak> -c is not needed its assumed by update-manager
[11:50] <RAOF> rexy_: You'll find in the second paragraph it says "to upgrade, <alt>+F2 and type in 'update-manager -d' without the quotes" :)
[11:56] <rexy_> RAOF, did that but it just gives me the normal update screen, and not an added button which lets me upgrade
[11:57] <gnomefreak> rexy_: when u-m opens choose update/upgrade than the new release should show up
[11:57] <rexy_> i just have two buttons check and install updates
[11:58] <gnomefreak> rexy_: use check
[11:58] <gnomefreak> when its done it will either need to install updates or it will give you the option to upgrade to intrepid
[11:58] <rexy_> yeh it doesnt
[11:59]  * gnomefreak cant remember the exact order.
[11:59] <rexy_> just check and greyed out install updates
[11:59] <gnomefreak> rexy_: if its that important use the old way
[11:59] <rexy_> aptitude dist-upgrade?
[11:59] <gnomefreak> rexy_: yes or apt-get
[12:00]  * gnomefreak uses apt-get but most likley the upgrade will fail
[12:00] <rexy_> i tried synaptic but it didnt start a dist-upgrade
[12:00] <gnomefreak> atleast if using ubuntu
[12:01] <gnomefreak> rexy_: than i suggest you wait since it seems you are not sure how to upgrade. its unlikely you can fix the problems you are going to have with broken packages
[12:01] <gnomefreak> rexy_: HINT: you are missing a very important step
[12:02] <rexy_> which is?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> rexy_: have you looked at /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:03]  * gnomefreak betting the repos says *hardy*
[12:04] <rexy_> you mean the upgradenotes?
[12:04] <rexy_> yeah i've got some intrepid sources too
[12:04] <rexy_> but that just gives me a lot of package updates
[12:04] <gnomefreak> rexy_: first you need to understand thats its very likely your upgrade will fail
[12:04] <rexy_> but not a distribution upgrade button
[12:04] <gnomefreak> rexy_: only intrepid sources
[12:05] <s0u][ight> in the sources.list file there will be no button :d
[12:05] <gnomefreak> than run apt-get updaate
[12:05] <rexy_> s0u][ight, heh, no i mean update-manager
[12:05] <gnomefreak> rexy_: either get rid of intrepid sources and ue u-m or get rid of hardy sources and use terminal
[12:06] <gnomefreak> rexy_: either way ubuntu-desktop is broken so its likely you will run into issues wince you need that package to upgrade
[12:06] <gnomefreak> s/wince/since
[12:07] <rexy_> ah yeah i guess that pose a problem
[12:07] <gnomefreak> rexy_: a big one
[12:07] <gnomefreak> rexy_: its fixable but its not easy or fast unless you know what you are doing than its fairly easy
[12:07] <gnomefreak> but most deps will fail to upgrade as well
[12:08] <gnomefreak> you will get errors like package depends on ubuntu-desktop version  but ubuntu-desktop version isnt installed
[12:09] <gnomefreak> version == version number of package
[12:12] <rexy_> whats the trigger for the update-manager to show the button for a new release?
[12:12] <rexy_> gnomefreak, i tried the various combinations in the apt.list but yeah seems upgrading that way atm is not a great idea :)
[12:14] <gnomefreak> rexy_: before u-m does anything you need to remove hardy sources than restart u-m the way you did to  begin with it should runa  check than it should give you choice but u-m doesnt fix ubuntu-desktop
[12:14] <tacone> will intrepid finally support dmraid ?
[12:14] <RAOF> rexy_: What does 'lsb-release -a' say?
[12:14] <rexy_> gnomefreak, i tried it with every combination, no update-button with just ibex sources
[12:15] <rexy_> hardy 8.04.1
[12:15] <gnomefreak> rexy_: did you restart u-m?
[12:15] <RAOF> tacone: You'll want to define "support"; you've been able to use dmraid for quite some time ;).
[12:15] <rexy_> yes
[12:15] <gnomefreak> rexy_: than run apt-get update
[12:15] <rexy_> also done that prior to running update-manager
[12:15] <gnomefreak> rexy_: than dist-upgrade than watch for breakage
[12:16] <rexy_> it just gave me a slew of packges to updates and complaints about broken packages
[12:16] <tacone> RAOF: on the wiki page of dmraid there's a box in the header which I believe being red :-). it says it's not supported.
[12:16] <rexy_> *update
[12:16] <gnomefreak> rexy_: didnt i just tell you that?
[12:16] <tacone> RAOF: using dmraid me too right now. but with some glitches.
[12:16] <RAOF> rexy_: Yeah.  You've got Intrepid, which is why update-manager isn't giving you the dist-upgrade ;)
[12:17] <tacone> RAOF: I wonder about livecd support, fdisk -l without errors and (very)basic assurance against data loss
[12:17] <rexy_> RAOF, that wouldnt make sense, since i havent done anything with that yet
[12:17] <RAOF> rexy_: But you've got the intrepid sources in your apt cache, which I suspect will confuse update-manager no end.
[12:18] <RAOF> tacone: I don't know if anyone who cares about dmraid is doing anything about support; you could be that person, I guess :)
[12:18] <gnomefreak> rexy_: you have a mixed system. go back to hardy repos no intrepid ones than run update and upgrade to hopfully give you either notihng or an error
[12:18] <rexy_> i havent ran any intrepid updates
[12:18] <gnomefreak> rexy_: to clear cache run sudo apt-get autoclean
[12:19] <rexy_> that just removes stale install packages
[12:19] <gnomefreak> rexy_: i knwo what it does
[12:19] <tacone> RAOF: I suck big time when it comes to low level question, I'm more suited to give support in other areas
[12:19] <rexy_> then how would it help
[12:19] <gnomefreak> rexy_: return your sources.list file to hardy
[12:19] <rexy_> it's set to hardy
[12:20] <gnomefreak> any intrepid ones?
[12:20] <rexy_> nah
[12:20] <gnomefreak> now save and close it and run sudo apt-get update
[12:20] <gnomefreak> than run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:21] <rexy_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:21] <gnomefreak> rexy_: if it doesnt give anything than try installing ubuntu-desktop
[12:21] <rexy_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:21] <gnomefreak> rexy_: good
[12:22] <gnomefreak> rexy_: now wait for intrepid to get fixed than worry about upgrading
[12:22] <rexy_> well it doesnt have to be fixed, as long as i can install it to test some hw support
[12:23] <gnomefreak> it should be fixed in a5 along with shutdown/restart/logout problems
[12:23] <gnomefreak> rexy_: run a chroot
[12:24] <gnomefreak> rexy_: get the ISO but you will still have problems with ubuntu-desktop its been broken for last 2 alpha releases
[12:24] <gnomefreak> rexy_: maybe grab the xubuntu or the kubuntu ISO instead
[12:24] <gnomefreak> neither are broken on my system
[12:25] <gnomefreak> oh that reminds me
[12:50] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: my ubuntu-desktop is not broken
[12:51] <JollyGiant> I mean, it's installed
[12:51] <JollyGiant> I don't remember doing anything special to make it so
[12:51] <Hobbsee> JollyGiant: then...fix it?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> oh, not broken.  never mind
[12:51] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: it is very much broken since we are missing the depends. ill show you hold on
[12:52] <gnomefreak> The following packages will be REMOVED: scrollkeeper
[12:52] <gnomefreak> you NEED that package
[12:53] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: Doesn't rarian replace it?
[12:53] <JollyGiant> rarian-compat has Provides: scrollkeeper
[12:53] <JollyGiant> and Replaces
[12:54] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:54] <gnomefreak> yep it seems to
[12:54] <JollyGiant> And you don't "need" that anyway, unless you like reading GNOME documentation :P
[12:57] <s0u][ight> Hobbsee: why did you kick him if i may know?
[12:57] <gnomefreak> they havent fixed the deps yet on alot of packages
[12:57] <Hobbsee> s0u][ight: because he is unwelcome, in any ubuntu channel.
[12:57] <jpds> s0u][ight: Known troll.
[12:58] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: They don't need to fix the deps, rarian-compat Provides scrollkeeper and that's fine
[12:58] <gnomefreak> hell read /whois
[12:58] <gnomefreak> scrollkeeper: Installed: (none) Candidate: 0.3.14-16ubuntu1
[12:58] <gnomefreak> how is that provided
[12:59] <s0u][ight> he is op at #fuckubuntu XD
[12:59] <JollyGiant> !ohmy
[12:59] <jpds> s0u][ight: Do not join there. Thanks.
[12:59] <gnomefreak> s0u][ight: he made the channel
[12:59] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: dpkg is weird? :)
[12:59] <s0u][ight> jpds: i wont :D thats just what i got from whois :D
[12:59] <gnomefreak> dpkg is fine
[13:00] <s0u][ight> what is his problem?
[13:00] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: how does an app replace and provide
[13:00] <gnomefreak> its one or other
[13:00] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: It's a packaging thing
[13:00] <Hobbsee> s0u][ight: yes, we've realised.
[13:00]  * Hobbsee doubts he'll have it overly long.
[13:00] <JollyGiant> It has to replace it so it can overwrite it's files and it has to provide it so it can satisfy dependencies
[13:01] <JollyGiant> its
[13:01] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: the apps still run but the deps on that need ot be fixed
[13:01] <s0u][ight> btw sorry for using that channel name :D
[13:01] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: point == it doesnt install it
[13:01] <gnomefreak> nor depend on it
[13:01] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: They don't have to, but it would be good housekeeping to update the dependency to the package that actually has that stuff
[13:02] <gnomefreak> The following packages will be REMOVED: rarian-compat ubuntu-desktop
[13:02] <gnomefreak> The following NEW packages will be installed: scrollkeeper
[13:02] <JollyGiant> Obviously installing scrollkeeper will remove rarian-compat
[13:02] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: it doesnt provide scrollkepper as you can see
[13:02] <JollyGiant> Provides is for dependency resolution
[13:03] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: that is the point, it doesnt procide it it replaces it
[13:03] <gnomefreak> provides
[13:03] <JollyGiant> If you want to install scrollkeeper and that packages still exists it'll install it
[13:03] <JollyGiant> If scrollkeeper was not in the archive it'd offer to install rarian-compat for you instead.
[13:03] <Hobbsee> you don't want scrollkeeper, surely?
[13:03] <JollyGiant> You don't
[13:04] <gnomefreak> the package needs to be fixed one dont depend on scrollkeeper and 2 dont list it as a provide
[13:04] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: You keep saying 'needs to be fixed' as if something was broken.
[13:04] <gnomefreak> errors are not usrer feindly
[13:05] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: end user isnt gonna understand why all those packages depend on scrollkeeper as erros states
[13:05] <JollyGiant> There is no error. If you explicitly choose to install scrollkeeper you get it. If you install ubuntu-desktop you get rarian-compat and things that depend on scrollkeeper are fine with using it.
[13:06] <JollyGiant> So changing the dependencies would just be a housekeeping thing, not a requirement for a working package.
[13:06] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/518031
[13:07] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: tell me again there is no error there
[13:07] <JollyGiant> There is no error there
[13:07] <JollyGiant> If you install totem-xine dpkg will tell you the same thing about the totem package
[13:07] <gnomefreak> dpkg: scrollkeeper: dependency problems,
[13:08] <JollyGiant> For a small time those packages are missing a dependency but since apt knows it is installing something that provides that dependency it tells dpkg to ignore it
[13:08] <JollyGiant> You'll notice the install didn't actually fail.
[13:08] <gnomefreak> it shouldnt. and wont be by release time im sure. the packages need the depends so the end user doesnt see this
[13:09] <JollyGiant> No end user will see that unless they do a manual dist-upgrade
[13:09] <gnomefreak> end user should never see that
[13:09] <gnomefreak> on a stable release
[13:09] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: and they won't, because they'll use the dist-upgrader.
[13:09] <JollyGiant> People using update-manager won't see or care, it'll just work
[13:10] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: dist-upgrade fails due to depends issue please see topic above with rexy_
[13:10] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: If it fails rarian-compat/scrollkeeper is not the reason it fails.
[13:10] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: Guaranteed 100%, that is _not_ the reason.
[13:10] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: it fails on ubuntu-desktop
[13:11] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: For some other reason.
[13:11] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: If the dist-upgrade is failing on rarian-compat/scrollkeeper that is an apt bug.
[13:11] <gnomefreak> for a depends issue ant since that is only dep issue with ubuntu-desktop its very likely scrollkeeper
[13:11] <JollyGiant> And if apt had such a bug I doubt any transition would ever be possible in the Debian world.
[13:12] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i presume you'll give a summary, with apt logs.
[13:12] <gnomefreak> its not an apt issue if anything its either a dpkg issue or a dep issue
[13:12] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: Would you be more likely to believe me if I did /nick Amaranth?
[13:12] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i didnt have the issue rexy_ did so he can provide them
[13:12] <Hobbsee> and that is *not* the only dep issue with u-d, in the entirety of ubuntu.
[13:12] <Hobbsee> please do not talk crack.
[13:13] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: most liekly not but its the only one i see
[13:13] <gnomefreak> show me another one
[13:13] <JollyGiant> This is not even a dependency issue
[13:13] <JollyGiant> It is gnomefreak seeing scary looking things from dpkg he doesn't understand and thinking it's an issue.
[13:13] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: if its not why do i see the error on deps?
[13:14] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: i do understand
[13:14] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[13:14] <JollyGiant> You'll see the same message
[13:14] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: there has been no information provided at all on what it might be.
[13:14] <Hobbsee> and you are *wrong*, scrollkeeper is not required.
[13:14] <gnomefreak> totem-xine is already the newest version.
[13:15] <JollyGiant> Oh right, they changed the way that works
[13:15] <Hobbsee> now, i will warn you one last time:  Please do *not* spread wrong answers, and crack, in this channel.
[13:15] <gnomefreak> and if it was a problem with that i would see it
[13:15] <JollyGiant> Used to be just like this situation, now they install two binaries and use update-alternatives to choose which one gets the totem symlink
[13:16] <gnomefreak> Replaces: scrollkeeper
[13:16] <gnomefreak> Provides: scrollkeeper
[13:16] <gnomefreak> that shouldnt be contradictory
[13:16] <rexy_> ?
[13:17] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: Read up on what those do.
[13:17] <gnomefreak> its not possible to do that with anything
[13:17] <JollyGiant> It is, actually
[13:17] <JollyGiant> There is actually this goofy tool that will make dummy packages that use Provides to pretend to be some other package so you can keep metapackages like ubuntu-desktop installed.
[13:17] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: how can it replace and provide ther would be a conflict no?
[13:18] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: but rarian is not a meta package per say since all it is is for docs. it has depends most meta packages dont
[13:19] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: Again, Replaces is so it can replace the files from scrollkeeper (/usr/bin/scrollkeeper-update, etc) without dpkg complaining about two packages owning the same file and Provides is for dependency resolution
[13:19] <gnomefreak> well ubuntu-desktop changed
[13:20] <JollyGiant> To make sure rarian-compat was chosen over scrollkeeper
[13:20] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: right but the packages still depend on a package that isnt installed
[13:20] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: have you not looked into provides?
[13:21] <JollyGiant> Since they both fulfill the dependency needs for 'scrollkeeper' and the scrollkeeper package was already installed apt would prefer it. With ubuntu-desktop explicitly depending on rarian-compat it'll get a higher score and be installed.
[13:21] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: it doesnt install it it removes it
[13:21] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: the package now depends on a package that *is* installed - it's rarian-compat.
[13:21] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: Many packages depend on things that aren't actually installed.
[13:21] <Hobbsee> now please, do some research on how apt works, before you open your mouth further.
[13:21]  * JollyGiant tries to find a java example
[13:21] <gnomefreak> ho that would be recommends since i have never seen that on a stable release
[13:22] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: no, it would not.
[13:22] <gnomefreak> s/ho/no
[13:22] <gnomefreak> you cant depend on a package that cant be installed due to removing the package you want
[13:22] <JollyGiant> All JREs have a Provides for something like 'java-jre' or something so packages that work with all of them can depend on that and get whatever one the user is actually using
[13:22] <gnomefreak> hence dep errors
[13:22] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you can, if you're using provides.
[13:22] <Hobbsee> please actually do some *research*
[13:22] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: that is a meta package
[13:23] <JollyGiant> java-runtime
[13:23] <JollyGiant> its not a metapackage, it's a virtual package
[13:23] <JollyGiant> All the JREs have a Provides: java-runtime and a java-based app that works with all of them can just depend on java-runtime and get one of them.
[13:23] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: it would be nice if someone could prove that this error is only on my system if not end user shouldnt see it
[13:24] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: There is no error on your system.
[13:24] <JollyGiant> Repeat: There is NO error on your system.
[13:24] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: end users will be using the upgrade manager.  they will not see the dialog.  it is also not an error.
[13:24] <JollyGiant> In your paste you left out the "but removing anyway as you request"
[13:24] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: dep issue is an error but dpkg over rides it
[13:24] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: This is common.
[13:24] <JollyGiant> Repeat: This is common.
[13:24]  * Hobbsee notes this is like talking to a brick wall.
[13:24] <JollyGiant> There is usually at least one situation like this every release.
[13:25] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: not on stable systems its not on a/beta it is
[13:25] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: incorrect.
[13:25] <JollyGiant> There is at least one transition like this _every_ release.
[13:25] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: this happens on a stable release?
[13:25] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: by your logic, the kernel never ever upgrades.
[13:25] <JollyGiant> If it was a problem you probably wouldn't be using Ubuntu right now.
[13:25] <Hobbsee> it happens on a dist-upgrade.
[13:25] <Hobbsee> from a stable release, to another stable release.
[13:25] <gnomefreak> i have never seen it on stable release
[13:25] <JollyGiant> No one does transitions in an SRU
[13:26] <JollyGiant> But during a dist-upgrade? Sure.
[13:26] <gnomefreak> not to another stable no but to alpha nd beta yes
[13:26] <JollyGiant> Well, a transition in an SRU would require running 'dist-upgrade' but you get what I mean. :P
[13:26] <gnomefreak> i do
[13:26] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: so, alphas and betas get kernel upgrades, but from stable-to-stable, you keep the same kernel?
[13:26] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: You have no clue what you are talking about. Please go read the fine manual before discussing this anymore.
[13:26] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you are on crack.  please stop it.
[13:27] <Hobbsee> else i will boot you out.
[13:27] <Hobbsee> users are not permitted to give out wrong information.  neither are ops.
[13:27] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: no you dont but i have never seen an error from dapper to hardy would be latest dist-upgrade
[13:27] <JollyGiant> I am sick of trying to be nice when you are rejecting everything we say.
[13:27] <JollyGiant> Hobbsee and I should know all about this stuff yet you do not believe us.
[13:27] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: so end user should see this?
[13:28] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: I've already answered that question twice now.
[13:28] <Hobbsee> go and read.
[13:28] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: you said they do not that they should
[13:28] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: write in valid english
[13:28] <Hobbsee> if you want people to understand you
[13:29] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: you said end users do see it you didnt sy they should/shouldnt
[13:29] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: If a user runs dist-upgrade manually they might see this if they can read fast enough to see it in all the other scary looking text.
[13:29] <Hobbsee> [22:24] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: end users will be using the upgrade manager.  they will not see the dialog.  it is also not an error.
[13:29] <JollyGiant> If a user uses update-manager or doesn't pay attention to the dist-upgrade running they won't see this.
[13:29] <JollyGiant> If they do see it it doesn't matter since it isn't even an error.
[13:30] <Hobbsee> [22:09] <JollyGiant> People using update-manager won't see or care, it'll just work
[13:30]  * Hobbsee is sure there were other references too.
[13:30] <JollyGiant> We have throughly explained how this works and unless you have technical proof that we are wrong there is nothing more to say.
[13:30] <gnomefreak> i think you are missing the point. not every user will ignor or miss or not care. you know as well as i do that endusers complain about just about anything
[13:31] <JollyGiant> So what? Let them complain about a non-issue. We'll just close the bugs as Invalid.
[13:32] <|dupondje|> audacious is seriously bugged in Intrepid
[13:32] <gnomefreak> we coudl do that that is fine dont care either way im just pointing out that user shoudnt see it IMHO
[13:32] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Users don't see it, do they?
[13:32] <Hobbsee> wgrant: this has been discussed repeatedly already.
[13:32] <wgrant> Hobbsee: That is what I thought.
[13:33]  * Hobbsee hopes gnomefreak is going to go away and actually learn, so as not to stick his foot in his mouth repeateldy, again.
[13:33] <gnomefreak> wgrant: i am so yes they would see it
[13:33] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Users don't see the terminal unless they click the scary button which says 'show terminal output' or similar.
[13:33] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: By definition you are not a regular user.
[13:33] <JollyGiant> You are here, you are using intrepid.
[13:33] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you are running a development release now, and this is where you've seen it.  you yourself said that you hadn't seen it when doing a stable-to-stable upgrade.
[13:33] <wgrant> win 22
[13:33] <gnomefreak> wgrant: with updaate-manager yes but not everyone uses it
[13:33] <wgrant> Damn.
[13:34] <Hobbsee> where clearly, it happened, but you didn't notice.
[13:34] <wgrant> gnomefreak: If one is a scarable user, one will use it.
[13:34] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: right because they fixed it so it isnt shown
[13:34] <JollyGiant> No we didn't.
[13:34] <Hobbsee> no, they didn't.
[13:34] <JollyGiant> Who is 'they'? 'They' is us.
[13:34] <gnomefreak> they is all users
[13:34] <Hobbsee> now, for the very, veyr last time, please be quiet, learn something useful, and stop giving out incorrect information!
[13:34] <gnomefreak> or all devs ot the dev
[13:34] <JollyGiant> Users fixed it?
[13:35] <gnomefreak> JollyGiant: no i meant devs
[13:35] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: We are devs. We didn't fix it. You didn't see it because it's not an issue.
[13:35] <gnomefreak> mvo to be the one
[13:35] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you're speaking to two fo them now.  Has it taken you this long to realise?
[13:36] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: also speaking as one
[13:36] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: You're a packager?
[13:36] <gnomefreak> yes
[13:36]  * JollyGiant sobs in a corner
[13:36] <Hobbsee> what have you managed to get into the archive, so far?
[13:36] <wgrant> I am tempted to revoke your dev license.
[13:36] <Hobbsee> wgrant: prepare to forever-veto any motu application.
[13:37] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: mostly mozilla apps but im mainly a sunbird maintainer but i do most any mozilla apps
[13:37] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Anyway, there is *no problem*.
[13:37] <Hobbsee> ah yes, there is mozilla crack.  at least you can't upload unassisted.
[13:37] <gnomefreak> the first 6 or so was under wrong thing it was undre a team that wasnt a tam
[13:38] <gnomefreak> ompaul: no i cant never tried or cared to be a motu
[13:38] <gnomefreak> opps
[13:38] <gnomefreak> that is for Hobbsee
[13:38] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: in that case, i would have expected you to know that 119 things depend on 'firefox', but it is not a mandatory package to have - it is a metapackage.
[13:39] <gnomefreak> its fine if users see it i guess i still this they shouldnt but that is IMHO
[13:39] <Hobbsee> which the conflicts and provides are already used for.
[13:39] <Hobbsee> they don't see it.  read my lips.
[13:39] <gnomefreak> with u-m they dont
[13:39] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Only users who know what they are doing will see it.
[13:39] <gnomefreak> doing dist-upgrade if they are looking they will see it
[13:39] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: You are proof that even using dist-upgrade they usually don't.
[13:39] <JollyGiant> Unless you haven't used dist-upgrade for previous upgrades.
[13:39] <wgrant> gnomefreak: You're not allowed to use dist-upgrade.
[13:40] <gnomefreak> i test both ways
[13:40] <Hobbsee> and you admitted above that you did not see it.
[13:40] <JollyGiant> dist-upgrade is "If it breaks you get to keep both pieces"
[13:40] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: right in stable releases i didnt see it
[13:40] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: that was already addressed above.
[13:41] <JollyGiant> So users that are easily scared shouldn't see it because they want someone to tape the pieces back together for them. :P
[13:41] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: if you continue, i'm going to give you a timeout, so you can go back and read the logs.
[13:41] <Hobbsee> if you were a standard user, you would have been booted a long time ago.
[13:41] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: You didn't see it but it _was_ there. We always have these.
[13:41] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: you missed the IMHO
[13:42] <JollyGiant> gnomefreak: You missed the fact where you don't know what you're talking about.
[13:42] <JollyGiant> Alright, that was mean. I think I'll just leave the conversation.
[13:42] <jpds> Da da. da dum.
[13:43] <Hobbsee> sigh.  ops should know better.
[13:43] <wgrant> Hrm.
[13:53] <rexy_> whats the trigger for the update-manager to show the button for a new release, even if it's alpha/beta so you can at least try to upgrade?
[13:55] <LSD|Ninja> I'm not sure it's possible to make it prompt for alpha/beta releases. It is possible though to have it prompt for more than just LTS releases
[13:55] <rexy_> ah that explains it i guess, thanx
[13:57] <LSD|Ninja> You can upgrade to development releases with update-manager though, I'm just not 100% sure how off-hand
[14:05] <tanath> how do i make the Desktop Search icon stop appearing in the notification area at login?
[14:06] <LSD|Ninja> disable it?
[14:06] <tanath> i thought it was tracker, so i ended up removing it, but it still shows up
[14:06] <tanath> how?
[14:06] <tanath> i've tried
[14:07] <tanath> right clicking has no options but Quit
[14:07] <tanath> but it still comes back next login
[14:07] <cameronh> hi everyone.. on my intrepid dev box, apt-get install gnome is showing unmet dependencies from gnome-office and system-config-printer
[14:07] <LSD|Ninja> There's a preference for it somewhere, I just can't remember where because I don't have it handy right now
[14:07] <tanath> :-/
[14:08] <tanath> also, the same magnifying glass icon appears in the login splash, with the name visual assistance, but that's turned off...
[14:15] <tanath> anyone else have the problem where the splash screen doesn't go away after login?
[14:24]  * penguin42 has a hang of the alpha4 live cd; last thing on vt8 is starting CUPS - anyone else seen that?
[14:25] <tanath> i haven't been able to see a virtual terminal since upgrading to intrepid some time ago
[14:27]  * penguin42 hits reset and tries again
[14:30] <penguin42> what's the second orange blob below the main progress bar about ?
[14:31] <JollyGiant> a display bug
[14:31] <penguin42> ah ok :-)
[14:32] <JollyGiant> is it just me or are most windows slightly translucent?
[14:32] <JollyGiant> using Human-Murrine
[14:33] <JollyGiant> so far gnome-terminal (the menu, anyway) and gnome-system-monitor are translucent, I guess we must be patching gtk+ to default to RGBA
[14:34] <wgrant> JollyGiant: Apps have to be explicitly patched for that, IIRC.
[14:34] <JollyGiant> wgrant: Either the apps or gtk+ itself
[14:35]  * penguin42 doesn't seem to have a working X - I see a white screen with mouse cursor on it; but that doesn't move
[14:35] <penguin42> (off live CD)
[14:36] <wgrant> JollyGiant: I'm pretty sure that the apps need to initialise their widgets as RGBA
[14:38] <JollyGiant> wgrant: They don't, if you patch gtk+ to make the default RGBA
[14:38] <JollyGiant> wgrant: Then they need to specifically request RGB if they don't want RGBA
[14:38] <wgrant> Aha.
[14:39] <JollyGiant> and of course you'll get rgb by default if you aren't running a compositor
[14:39] <JollyGiant> which is somewhat broken as you then don't get proper alpha when you turn a compositor on unless you restart the app
[14:42] <penguin42> oh please don't tell me compiz is on for failsafe-gnome
[14:42] <JollyGiant> it's hard enough getting it on for non-failsafe gnome
[14:43] <JollyGiant> although I imagine someone may have introduced such a bug when making it work for non-failsafe
[14:43] <penguin42> JollyGiant: I'm running off the live CD and gnome is giving me a white screen
[14:43] <JollyGiant> gnome-session completely changed
[14:43] <JollyGiant> penguin42: get a newer  alpha disc
[14:43] <penguin42> JollyGiant: This is Alpha4
[14:43] <JollyGiant> penguin42: what video card?
[14:43] <penguin42> Old Radeon R100/7200
[14:43] <JollyGiant> weird
[14:44] <penguin42> I can get the failsafe-xterm session up, but not failsafe gnome
[14:44] <penguin42> (I see a Hardy Heron backdrop and then it goes all-white = but I can move the mouse cursor  - now that I've realised which mouse is connected)
[14:47] <JollyGiant> penguin42: after a bit blindly hit alt-f2 and type metacity --replace
[14:48] <penguin42> ok, will do
[14:49] <penguin42> yeh that worked
[14:51] <penguin42> this machine used to have 3D rendering issues and I was asked to try Intrepid to see if it still happened; I've added this behaviour to the end of that report bug #15219
[14:53]  * penguin42 looks at the imaginative way interpid has reordered his discs
[15:01] <motz> kann mir wer mit der busybox helfen und intrepid ;)
[15:02] <motz> wurde schon alles neuaufgesetzt und auch paar mal  runtergerladen und neu gebrannt
[15:04] <Hobbsee> !de
[15:04] <Hobbsee> ich kann helfen im Deutsch nicht :)0
[15:04] <motz> die haben mich ja hier hergeshickt ;)
[15:05]  * Hobbsee looks for a translator
[15:05] <motz> anyone help with stucked at installation by busy box ;)
[15:05] <Hobbsee> ahh
[15:06] <penguin42> motz: Are there any messages?
[15:06] <Hobbsee> motz: either way, if you want help here, it'll need to be in english :)
[15:06] <motz> okey
[15:06] <motz> no messages
[15:07] <penguin42> hmm - is this a boot off the cd or just after installation?
[15:07] <motz> installtion on wubi
[15:07] <motz> after reboot
[15:07] <penguin42> ok, what's your hardware ?
[15:07] <motz> he tries so start ubuntu then comes the loADING SCRENN
[15:07] <motz> extensa 520
[15:07] <motz> acer
[15:07] <penguin42> what type of disc does it have?
[15:08] <motz> hitachi sata drive 80gb
[15:08] <motz> 1,6 ghz celeron
[15:08] <motz> intel m 520 chipset
[15:08] <penguin42> hmm, nothing unusual then; from the busy box prompt can you do   cat /proc/partitions
[15:08] <motz> system is dual boot
[15:10] <motz> ill try
[15:10] <penguin42> just to see if it can see your hard disc and the partitions
[15:14] <motz> could u paste one time again switched pc
[15:15] <penguin42> motz: Sure, cat /proc/partitions - see if it can see your disc
[15:16] <motz> initamfs should stay ?
[15:17] <penguin42> yes
[15:18] <motz> proc: invalid length
[15:18] <penguin42> weird....
[15:18] <penguin42> do you see anything if you ls /proc
[15:18] <motz> ahh mom
[15:18] <motz> must find /
[15:18] <motz> german kb ,  doh ;)
[15:19] <motz> find many numbers and so
[15:19] <motz> like 886 execdomains sysvipc
[15:20] <penguin42> really? In /proc/partitions ?
[15:20] <penguin42> ah
[15:20] <motz> yes
[15:20] <motz> sometimes he boots in blank screen
[15:20] <penguin42> so, try the cat /proc/partitions again - you should see number number bignumber   name
[15:20] <penguin42> what names do you see
[15:22] <motz> can i write w/o  slash ?
[15:23] <penguin42> yeh; cd /proc  cat partitions
[15:25] <motz> cd?
[15:25] <motz> und mean cat or`?
[15:25] <penguin42> cd /proc
[15:25] <penguin42> cat paritions
[15:25] <penguin42> t
[15:26] <motz> now he shows numbers and so
[15:26] <motz> 254    0    125056 ramzwap0
[15:26] <motz> is first
[15:28] <motz> u need all ?
[15:28] <penguin42> ok, so that's a ram disc; are there any like sda or sdb or hda ?
[15:29] <motz> sda1 , 2 ,5!
[15:30] <penguin42> ok - so the good news is that it found your hard disc - the bad news is that I'm not sure what to look for now; not finiding the hard disc is the most common problem here
[15:30] <motz> change to hda ? maybe
[15:30] <motz> wasnt there  a menu.lst workaround
[15:31] <penguin42> it could be a bad menu.lst
[15:32] <motz> reformatet yesterday
[15:32] <tanath> how should you report a bug if you don't know what package it's in?
[15:33] <motz> could it help to install alone wo  xp`?
[15:33] <penguin42> tanath: You don't have to select a package do you?
[15:34] <tanath> penguin42: perhaps not. haven't tried that
[15:34] <tanath> i get no video output when booting, and same when switching to a virtual terminal
[15:34] <tanath> only get video when X is running
[15:35] <motz> better tp change 8.04 and wait for later alpha or final no problem thank you!
[15:36] <Sianis_> hi
[15:37] <Sianis_> can somebody help me a little?
[15:37] <motz> when i uninstall on wibu is the all removed?
[15:37] <penguin42> Sianis_: Sure, just explain what you need help with
[15:37] <Sianis_> penguin42: thx
[15:38] <Sianis_> do you have 8.10?
[15:39] <penguin42> yeh I have Alpha4 running off CD
[15:39] <Sianis_> nice
[15:39] <motz> thanx penguin anyway!
[15:39] <JollyGiant> tanath: That bug has been reported about 158347562 times.
[15:39] <tanath> JollyGiant: oh? got a bug number for me?
[15:40] <Sianis_> penguin42: http://pastebin.com/d269c2918
[15:40] <JollyGiant> Not really, don't remember it
[15:40] <Sianis_> here is a little script
[15:40] <JollyGiant> tanath: Try installing v86d
[15:40] <Sianis_> copy it into applist.sh pls
[15:40] <tanath> JollyGiant: i guess i can dig a bit in launchpad
[15:40] <tanath> JollyGiant: v86d?
[15:41] <JollyGiant> !info v86d
[15:41] <JollyGiant> When in doubt assume it's a package name :P
[15:41] <tanath> JollyGiant: yeah, already looked it up
[15:41] <tanath> JollyGiant: i'm wondering how it might help
[15:41] <JollyGiant> tanath: I haven't checked recently but I know at one point the kernel was trying to use uvesafb
[15:41] <tanath> JollyGiant: and why it became broken in the first place :P
[15:41] <JollyGiant> Which does not work without v86d
[15:42] <tanath> hm
[15:42] <JollyGiant> maybe try `dmesg | grep uvesa`
[15:42] <tanath> JollyGiant: it worked fine in hardy & prior. only started in intrepid
[15:42] <JollyGiant> tanath: And?
[15:42] <tanath> uvesafb: failed to execute /sbin/v86d
[15:42] <tanath> etc
[15:42] <tanath> hm
[15:42] <tanath> hadn't noticed that before
[15:42] <tanath> thanks for the tip
[15:43] <penguin42> Sianis_: OK, it's producing believable output
[15:43] <Sianis_> ./applist.sh main > main && ./applist.sh restricted > restricted && ./applist.sh universe > universe && ./applist.sh multiverse > multiverse
[15:43] <Sianis_> run this penguin42 pls and pastebin it pls!
[15:43]  * penguin42 is getting confused - the monitor for my 8.10 box is over there <-----   it's mouse is over there ----->   and it's keyboard is down there ---v
[15:44] <tanath> lol
[15:44] <penguin42> Sianis_: That's going to take me a few minutes
[15:44] <tanath> penguin42: that could be fixed, no?
[15:44] <penguin42> tanath: Ah well the thing is the keyboard for my main box is in the middle
[15:44] <Sianis_> penguin42: okey, I have time and thx!
[15:45] <JollyGiant> tanath: bug 246269
[15:45] <tanath> JollyGiant: i take it that'll only help after a reboot? didn't restore virtual terminals yet
[15:45] <JollyGiant> obviously
[15:45] <JollyGiant> If it helps at all
[15:45] <tanath> figured
[15:46] <JollyGiant> You have no framebuffer driver running
[15:46] <JollyGiant> So no framebuffer
[15:46] <penguin42> and it doesn't fall back to good old VGA text?
[15:47] <tanath> JollyGiant: ok, time to reboot again. if it doesn't work, i prolly won't be back for now, so thanks for the help
[15:48] <tanath> damnit, shutdown/reboot never works anymore either
[15:48] <penguin42> Sianis_: Are you ok if I upload it as a tar somewhere?
[15:48] <Sianis_> of course penguin42
[15:50] <JollyGiant> d'oh, just remembered you can reload the module
[15:50] <JollyGiant> remove it and insert it again
[15:50] <penguin42> Sianis_: http://www.treblig.org/debug/forSianis.tgz
[15:51] <Sianis_> got it
[15:51] <Sianis_> big thx
[15:54]  * penguin42 tries to clear out the discs of his old machines to put it in a state to reinstall with Intrepid
[16:03] <tanath> JollyGiant: that fixed it. thanks
[16:38] <napsy> Hello. Are there plans to include pulseaudio 0.9.11 with intrepid?
[16:53] <bazhang> !info pulseaudio
[16:54] <napsy> yes I know what's pulseaudio
[16:54] <napsy> I want to know if 0.9.11 will be in intrepid
[16:54] <napsy> because there's a huge difference in versions 0.9.10 and 0.9.11
[16:55] <bazhang> napsy, look at the version; the feature freeze is August 28
[16:56] <bazhang> ie in eleven days
[16:56] <napsy> there's still time
[16:57] <penguin42> napsy: Try filing a bug against the package and ask for it
[17:39] <thomas_> Hi
[17:40] <ikonia> hello
[17:40] <thomas_> I think Intrepid should have a fully graphical installer
[17:40] <ikonia> ubuntu already has a graphical installer
[17:40] <ikonia> it has done for a long time
[17:40] <thomas_> No I mean from boot
[17:40] <ikonia> yes from boot
[17:41] <ikonia> ubuntu has had a graphical installer for a long time
[17:41] <thomas_> I know
[17:41] <ikonia> infact I can't think of a current distro without a graphical installer
[17:41] <thomas_> What i mean is
[17:41] <ikonia> thomas_: so if you know, why are you saying it should get one
[17:41] <thomas_> that when you put this disk in it should not have that text screen
[17:41] <LSD|Ninja> thomas_: you can't avoid that
[17:42] <JollyGiant> what text screen?
[17:42] <ikonia> thomas_: what text, the one that says "press enter to install" as in the menu ?
[17:42] <JollyGiant> The very first screen you see has graphics on it and a menu
[17:42] <thomas_> you know the one with the ubuntu logo on it and Try Ubuntu then Install Ubuntu
[17:42] <ikonia> JollyGiant: exactly
[17:42] <ikonia> thomas_: are you serious ?
[17:42] <thomas_> Yes
[17:42] <JollyGiant> If you mean you should be able to use your mouse there then I'm sorry, not possible
[17:42] <ikonia> thomas_: thats graphical, and a menu to give you options
[17:42] <ikonia> JollyGiant: thats a pointless thing - let along not possible
[17:43] <LSD|Ninja> if you leave it long enough it'll default to booting the desktop CD
[17:43] <penguin42> the language selection screen on intrepid is a bit grim
[17:43] <penguin42> (I realise it's got a rather large list of languages)
[17:43] <thomas_> Should ubuntu be more black or Brown?
[17:43] <penguin42> (Can anyone remember what the magic is to start an lvm set by hand)
[17:43] <ikonia> thomas_: what ?
[17:43] <ikonia> thomas_: as in the logo ?
[17:43] <penguin42> thomas_: Nothing wrong with brown; chocolate is brown
[17:44] <LSD|Ninja> thomas_: less brown, definitely
[17:44] <ikonia> the logo is red/yellow/brown
[17:44] <thomas_> NO as in the interface
[17:44] <LSD|Ninja> thomas_: whoever designed the placeholder theme in Intrepid missed that memo
[17:44] <bazhang> thomas_, this is offtopic
[17:44] <thomas_> ok
[17:44] <ikonia> this is pointless
[17:44] <thomas_> About development
[17:44] <ikonia> no it's not
[17:44] <JollyGiant> LSD|Ninja: Err, the placeholder was brown
[17:44] <bazhang> thomas join #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:44] <LSD|Ninja> JollyGiant: It was more brown, not less
[17:45] <JollyGiant> Why? Not like anything is happening in here right now
[17:45] <bazhang> not the point.
[17:45] <JollyGiant> LSD|Ninja: It was meant to expose bugs in apps when using a dark theme
[17:45] <LSD|Ninja> JollyGiant: whatever it was, it sucked
[17:45] <JollyGiant> Although I think originally the plan was to tune it to be the real theme
[17:47] <JollyGiant> Now everyone is freaking out about the willwill mockup
[17:47] <JollyGiant> I tried to implement it, it just doesn't work outside of mockup screenshots
[17:49] <ikonia> JollyGiant: what's the willwill mockup ?
[17:49] <JollyGiant> ikonia: http://willwill100.deviantart.com/art/Interpid-Ibex-Mockup-Part-1-93584571
[17:50] <JollyGiant> I had the basic color scheme, the menus, etc all done in a murrine-based theme
[17:50] <ikonia> quit tidy
[17:50] <JollyGiant> After a couple hours I ditched it
[17:50] <ikonia> just quite clean
[17:51] <JollyGiant> Although I am using a implementation of his GDM mockup, it's rather nice
[17:51] <JollyGiant> I guess if someone took the time to tune his theme ideas to not, well, suck it would be alright
[17:51] <ikonia> mockups are great, but implimenting them into themes is a real pain
[17:52] <JollyGiant> However thanks to firefox not really following the theme you can't just outright implement what he has there
[17:52] <JollyGiant> Unless you make a firefox theme to match
[17:53] <JollyGiant> Most of the other implementations seem to just decide black with some yellow tossed in somewhere is a valid implementation of his mockup
[17:54] <JollyGiant> and firefox tries to use dark theme widgets in webpages, which is just fail
[18:05]  * penguin42 is probably having only 1 in 3 boots (if that) get reasonably far in the boot of alpha 4
[18:13] <captjake> hello
[18:13] <penguin42> hi
[18:14] <captjake> hey answerguy could I get you to answer a question
[18:14] <bazhang> captjake, this about gos?
[18:14] <captjake> well this message is to all here im new to gOs which is ubuntu I think so it says its 8.0.4 or whatever
[18:15] <bazhang> captjake, #gos
[18:15] <captjake> LOL but it even plays the ubuntu music like im in africa and says its ubuntu
[18:15] <bazhang> captjake, it is not supported here or in any ubuntu channel
[18:17] <captjake> #gos
[18:18] <captjake> does ubuntu have wine?
[18:18] <captjake> I like ubuntu feel the same
[18:24] <EagleSn> yes, ubuntu has wine
[18:27] <EagleSn> is this channel also to talf about kubuntu intrepid?
[18:28] <jo0ma> hi everybody
[18:30] <EagleSn> hi
[18:35] <jo0ma> When I booted Ubuntu Intrepid for the first time, window borders looked amazing. I changed them and now I can't go to default theme. How to restore to Intrepid default theme? I am using compiz(Normal Visual Effects)
[18:55] <DanaG> Argh, samba with gvfs is way broken.
[18:56] <DanaG> Try to connect... it asks you to log in.
[18:56] <DanaG> And no combination of username and password is taken as correct
[18:56] <penguin42>  /var/log/smbd ?
[18:56] <DanaG> .. and then sometimes it says "mountpoint already registered"
[18:56] <DanaG> .... and other times, the mount replicates itself in the sidebar in Nautilus.
[18:56] <DanaG> gvfs doesn't use smbd, does it?
[18:57] <penguin42> ah
[18:57]  * penguin42 doesn't know
[18:57] <penguin42> oh - I see this is mounting rather than exporting
[18:57] <DanaG> Other computer is XP Home; that's likely the issue.
[18:58] <DanaG> DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: Mountpoint Already registered
[18:58] <DanaG> ARGH!
[18:58] <DanaG> ... I click the thing in the sidebar, it says "already registered"
[18:58] <DanaG> well, no ****, sherlock!
[18:59] <DanaG> Eeh, I'll just do it a different way.
[19:25] <sidewalk> hey, where can i get an iso of the latest unstable version?
[19:26] <LSD|Ninja> cdimage.ubuntu.com like everything else
[19:26] <LSD|Ninja> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/ to be precise
[19:26] <LSD|Ninja> Not sure if there's nightlies or not
[19:26] <sidewalk> thanks alot :-)
[19:42] <Fredd> hm sound is gone again lol
[19:53] <Fredd> sound back again lol
[20:04] <Fredd> !bugs
[20:08] <Fredd> where could i find the log file for the very startup messages? the ones with the [ ok ] at the end
[20:51] <DGMurdockIII> is there a roadmap for ubuntu?
[20:52] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacious/+bug/258797
[20:52] <dupondje> somebody check plz :)
[20:52] <pwnguin> DGMurdockIII: yes
[20:52] <DGMurdockIII> do you have a link
[20:53] <pwnguin> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu is sort of everything people are thinking about
[20:54] <pwnguin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule is a timeline
[21:45] <EruditeHermit> hi, is there a way to run the iso image off a USB stick for alpha4? I know this was a planned feature, I was wondering if it had been implemented yet?
[22:37] <taggie> EruditeHermit; check out the script here: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ it will let you run basically any linux liveCD from a USB flash, bonus it even will set it up from a windows host.
[22:43] <burner> anyone know how to get a Windows Mobile device working with the new network manager as a modem?
[22:50] <sleepster> how come ubuntu server comes with xen stuff compiled inside the kernel?
[22:50] <sleepster> I am trying to install my nvidia drivers and it will not let me because it says my kernel is wrong
[22:50] <sleepster> I installed ubuntu server 8
[22:51] <RAOF> sleepster: I think the Ubuntu packges for the nvidia drivers have small patches applied to make them build.
[22:51] <RAOF> That said, I don't think we build the nvidia drivers for the server kernel.
[22:52] <RAOF> Also, #ubuntu+1 is about Intrepid, not Hardy ;)
[22:52] <sleepster> oh :)
[22:52] <sleepster> sorry
[22:52] <RAOF> That's ok.
[22:52] <sleepster> but I cannot get into ubuntu because I am using mibbit
[22:52] <RAOF> It's quite quiet.
[22:52] <sleepster> I am using a proxy
[22:53] <sleepster> so is there anyway around this? maybe I will load up ubuntu server 7
[22:53] <RAOF> So, I'm not sure if we don't build nvidia drivers for the server kernel is because no one wants them or because they don't build :)
[22:53] <RAOF> sleepster: Why are you using the server kernel, again?  You could concievably just use the -generic kernel and use the Ubuntu nvidia packages.
[22:54] <sleepster> I guess I am just using the kernel shipped with server
[22:54] <sleepster> I didn't make any changes
[22:54] <RAOF> So, you could install the -generic kernel; that's one option.
[22:54] <sleepster> hmm.. I am looking for a very light weight ubuntu
[22:54] <sleepster> so I use ubuntu server + fluxbox
[22:55] <sleepster> it's been working great up until 8
[22:56] <RAOF> Install the -generic kernel and the nvidia-glx-new package :)
[22:56] <sleepster> :)
[22:56] <sleepster> okay sounds good
[22:57] <sleepster> thanks
[23:18] <EruditeHermit> taggie: thanks, I will try that out now
[23:22] <EruditeHermit> that is weird, its not downloading
[23:22] <EruditeHermit> sf having problems/
[23:27] <DarkWave43302> hi all
[23:30] <EruditeHermit> taggie: are you able to access the Linux version of unetbootin from that site?