| === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG | ||
| === marko_ is now known as marko-_- | ||
| meoblast001 | hi | 01:56 |
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| meoblast001 | what is the new theme gonna look like | 01:57 |
| emma | Intrepid is wonderful. | 05:58 |
| elkbuntu | you wont agree when it eats your grub like it did mine the other day. | 06:00 |
| === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG | ||
| * Hobbsee wonders where the multimedia buttons have gone | 06:21 | |
| * DanaG asks Hobbsee: is your keyboard layout set to "Evdev Managed Keyboard"? | 06:25 | |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, and how do I make myself privileged to set realtime priority on stuff without running it as root? | 06:25 |
| DanaG | ( for stuff such as timidity.) | 06:25 |
| Hobbsee | DanaG: nope. where does that get set? | 06:26 |
| Hobbsee | Option "XkbLayout" "us" ? | 06:26 |
| DanaG | KDE, or Gnome? | 06:26 |
| Hobbsee | gnome | 06:26 |
| DanaG | Aah, System->Preferences->Keyboard | 06:26 |
| DanaG | Tab: layouts. | 06:27 |
| Hobbsee | then, yes. | 06:27 |
| Hobbsee | it is | 06:27 |
| DanaG | Aah. | 06:27 |
| elkbuntu | Hobbsee, maybe the config looks like my menu.lst :Þ | 06:27 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, now go to Keyboard Shortcuts and rebind them; they may have changed from raw hex into names. | 06:27 |
| DanaG | Random bug link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/217504 | 06:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 217504 in linux "acpi_fakekey stopped working for certain keycodes" [High,In progress] | 06:28 |
| Hobbsee | DanaG: that's done it, thanks. | 06:29 |
| Hobbsee | although, my advance key doesn't work still | 06:29 |
| Hobbsee | i wonder if it's that bug... | 06:31 |
| DanaG | Advance? As in, next tracks? | 06:34 |
| DanaG | s/tracks/track/ | 06:34 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 06:35 |
| Hobbsee | xev doesn't find it at all | 06:36 |
| Hobbsee | it came in in hardy, but i don't think it ever got tracked down | 06:36 |
| DanaG | Hmm, does 'showkey' on console give anything? | 06:39 |
| Hobbsee | DanaG: Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console ? | 06:39 |
| DanaG | Or does it maybe show up when you do 'tail -f /var/log/acpid' | 06:39 |
| DanaG | showkey has to be on a TTY. | 06:39 |
| Hobbsee | what do i do? run it on a TTY, and press the button? i don't need to pipe somewhere? | 06:42 |
| Hobbsee | iirc, last time i tried something w ith showkey, it did Really Bad Things... | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | ah, right. | 06:44 |
| Hobbsee | DanaG: it doesn't come up on showkey, nor on acpid. | 06:44 |
| DanaG | Odd. | 06:45 |
| DanaG | What type of laptop? | 06:45 |
| Hobbsee | dell 6400 | 06:45 |
| Hobbsee | what's really odd is that these worked before. | 06:45 |
| DanaG | Odd. | 06:46 |
| Hobbsee | ah... | 06:54 |
| Hobbsee | hm. nope, not that. | 06:55 |
| Hobbsee | the key that isn't working is defined twice in hotkey setup... | 06:56 |
| siimo | anyone having random x server crashes? >< | 07:19 |
| RAOF | Not I, said the wolf. | 07:20 |
| siimo | i think it might have something to do with vmware | 07:20 |
| siimo | im working away and all of a sudden im dropped to a terminal window | 07:21 |
| === BaD-Laptop is now known as BaD_CrC | ||
| Ayabara | is there a trigger I can use here to search for packages in 8.10? | 08:26 |
| RAOF | Ayabara: !find works, but please play with it in a privmessage. | 08:27 |
| Ayabara | RAOF: thanks. can I find out the version of sw as well? what I wonder is if digikam 0.10 beta2 is installed in 8.10 | 08:28 |
| RAOF | !info digikam | 08:28 |
| ubottu | digikam (source: digikam): digital photo management application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:0.9.3-2ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 6890 kB, installed size 21928 kB | 08:28 |
| geser | check also LP as ubottu knows only packages which got successfully build | 08:30 |
| Ayabara | RAOF: ah. ok. | 08:30 |
| geser | intrepid "has" digikam 0.9.4 but it FTBFS | 08:31 |
| Ayabara | I thought intrepid was gonna be kde4 | 08:31 |
| gnomefreak | Ayabara: it is | 08:37 |
| Ayabara | gnomefreak: but kde3 as well, since digikam is version 0.9.4? | 08:37 |
| gnomefreak | Ayabara: no | 08:37 |
| gnomefreak | Ayabara: intrepid doesnt have a ~/.kde3 its ~/.kde and by default that is kde4 | 08:39 |
| Ayabara | gnomefreak: ok. shouldn't digikam 0.10 be the one included then? | 08:40 |
| gnomefreak | Ayabara: im sorry at the moment we do have kde3 dir | 08:40 |
| * gnomefreak wonders if things have changed | 08:40 | |
| crdlb | !info digikam-kde4 | 08:41 |
| ubottu | digikam-kde4 (source: digikam-kde4): digital photo management application for KDE 4. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.0~beta1-0ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 9759 kB, installed size 24100 kB | 08:41 |
| * gnomefreak is asking | 08:41 | |
| Ayabara | aha. I want that to be beta-2 instead :) | 08:42 |
| Ayabara | Is II usable if I accept the occasional crash/bug? sorry, but I had to ask ;-) | 08:43 |
| RAOF | Yes; I use it. | 08:43 |
| RAOF | That said, don't expect it to boot tomorrow :) | 08:43 |
| gnomefreak | maybe it is gonna be kde4 since ~/.kde4 is empty for most part | 08:43 |
| Ayabara | RAOF: point taken :) | 08:44 |
| gnomefreak | RAOF: do you knwo wherer the system beep setting is at. i couldnt find it in gconf | 08:48 |
| RAOF | gnomefreak: I'm not even totally sure which system beep you mean :) | 08:49 |
| gnomefreak | RAOF: the beep from CPU | 08:49 |
| gnomefreak | RAOF: the "ping" that you get when someone says your nick in IRC among other places | 08:49 |
| * RAOF doesn't get one of those. | 08:50 | |
| RAOF | Regardless of which particular beep it is, I don't know. :) | 08:50 |
| gnomefreak | RAOF: ok thanks | 08:50 |
| Ayabara | digikam released beta2 on the 1st of august. what's a good guess for when it will reach the repos? | 08:52 |
| siimo | i wanna know when transmisson 1.32 will hit it | 08:54 |
| RAOF | When someone packages it? | 08:54 |
| RAOF | ;) | 08:54 |
| siimo | it is the official torrent client >< | 08:55 |
| siimo | atleast fonts in ubuntU+1 look nice n crispy | 08:56 |
| DanaG | Beep from CPU? Processors can't beep. | 08:59 |
| DanaG | The more correct term is "case" or "chassis" or "motherboard" or something like that. | 08:59 |
| DanaG | Or merely "PC Speaker" | 08:59 |
| Dr_willis | Speakerdectomy time! :) | 09:20 |
| DanaG | Nope, blacklist snd_pcsp time. | 09:22 |
| Dr_willis | thats not as fun! | 09:25 |
| s0u][ight | hi guys | 10:11 |
| rexy_ | when you fire up update-manager -d in hardy is it supposed to show you the option to update to intrepid alpa ## or do you have to adjust the apt-sources to be able to upgrade? | 10:46 |
| DanaG | you may need '-c' for "consider development versions' | 11:15 |
| Poisson | 大家好阿 | 11:16 |
| Poisson | I am a chinese | 11:16 |
| === BaD-Laptop is now known as BaD_CrC | ||
| rexy_ | No such option with -c either DanaG | 11:29 |
| RAOF | rexy_: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha4 is likely what you want. | 11:32 |
| rexy_ | nah that's just iso's, seem to recall having done upgrades this way on previous releases, but maybe those were beta's iunoo | 11:33 |
| gnomefreak | -c is not needed its assumed by update-manager | 11:46 |
| RAOF | rexy_: You'll find in the second paragraph it says "to upgrade, <alt>+F2 and type in 'update-manager -d' without the quotes" :) | 11:50 |
| rexy_ | RAOF, did that but it just gives me the normal update screen, and not an added button which lets me upgrade | 11:56 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: when u-m opens choose update/upgrade than the new release should show up | 11:57 |
| rexy_ | i just have two buttons check and install updates | 11:57 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: use check | 11:58 |
| gnomefreak | when its done it will either need to install updates or it will give you the option to upgrade to intrepid | 11:58 |
| rexy_ | yeh it doesnt | 11:58 |
| * gnomefreak cant remember the exact order. | 11:59 | |
| rexy_ | just check and greyed out install updates | 11:59 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: if its that important use the old way | 11:59 |
| rexy_ | aptitude dist-upgrade? | 11:59 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: yes or apt-get | 11:59 |
| * gnomefreak uses apt-get but most likley the upgrade will fail | 12:00 | |
| rexy_ | i tried synaptic but it didnt start a dist-upgrade | 12:00 |
| gnomefreak | atleast if using ubuntu | 12:00 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: than i suggest you wait since it seems you are not sure how to upgrade. its unlikely you can fix the problems you are going to have with broken packages | 12:01 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: HINT: you are missing a very important step | 12:01 |
| rexy_ | which is? | 12:02 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: have you looked at /etc/apt/sources.list | 12:03 |
| * gnomefreak betting the repos says *hardy* | 12:03 | |
| rexy_ | you mean the upgradenotes? | 12:04 |
| rexy_ | yeah i've got some intrepid sources too | 12:04 |
| rexy_ | but that just gives me a lot of package updates | 12:04 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: first you need to understand thats its very likely your upgrade will fail | 12:04 |
| rexy_ | but not a distribution upgrade button | 12:04 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: only intrepid sources | 12:04 |
| s0u][ight | in the sources.list file there will be no button :d | 12:05 |
| gnomefreak | than run apt-get updaate | 12:05 |
| rexy_ | s0u][ight, heh, no i mean update-manager | 12:05 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: either get rid of intrepid sources and ue u-m or get rid of hardy sources and use terminal | 12:05 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: either way ubuntu-desktop is broken so its likely you will run into issues wince you need that package to upgrade | 12:06 |
| gnomefreak | s/wince/since | 12:06 |
| rexy_ | ah yeah i guess that pose a problem | 12:07 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: a big one | 12:07 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: its fixable but its not easy or fast unless you know what you are doing than its fairly easy | 12:07 |
| gnomefreak | but most deps will fail to upgrade as well | 12:07 |
| gnomefreak | you will get errors like package depends on ubuntu-desktop version but ubuntu-desktop version isnt installed | 12:08 |
| gnomefreak | version == version number of package | 12:09 |
| rexy_ | whats the trigger for the update-manager to show the button for a new release? | 12:12 |
| rexy_ | gnomefreak, i tried the various combinations in the apt.list but yeah seems upgrading that way atm is not a great idea :) | 12:12 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: before u-m does anything you need to remove hardy sources than restart u-m the way you did to begin with it should runa check than it should give you choice but u-m doesnt fix ubuntu-desktop | 12:14 |
| tacone | will intrepid finally support dmraid ? | 12:14 |
| RAOF | rexy_: What does 'lsb-release -a' say? | 12:14 |
| rexy_ | gnomefreak, i tried it with every combination, no update-button with just ibex sources | 12:14 |
| rexy_ | hardy 8.04.1 | 12:15 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: did you restart u-m? | 12:15 |
| RAOF | tacone: You'll want to define "support"; you've been able to use dmraid for quite some time ;). | 12:15 |
| rexy_ | yes | 12:15 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: than run apt-get update | 12:15 |
| rexy_ | also done that prior to running update-manager | 12:15 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: than dist-upgrade than watch for breakage | 12:15 |
| rexy_ | it just gave me a slew of packges to updates and complaints about broken packages | 12:16 |
| tacone | RAOF: on the wiki page of dmraid there's a box in the header which I believe being red :-). it says it's not supported. | 12:16 |
| rexy_ | *update | 12:16 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: didnt i just tell you that? | 12:16 |
| tacone | RAOF: using dmraid me too right now. but with some glitches. | 12:16 |
| RAOF | rexy_: Yeah. You've got Intrepid, which is why update-manager isn't giving you the dist-upgrade ;) | 12:16 |
| tacone | RAOF: I wonder about livecd support, fdisk -l without errors and (very)basic assurance against data loss | 12:17 |
| rexy_ | RAOF, that wouldnt make sense, since i havent done anything with that yet | 12:17 |
| RAOF | rexy_: But you've got the intrepid sources in your apt cache, which I suspect will confuse update-manager no end. | 12:17 |
| RAOF | tacone: I don't know if anyone who cares about dmraid is doing anything about support; you could be that person, I guess :) | 12:18 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: you have a mixed system. go back to hardy repos no intrepid ones than run update and upgrade to hopfully give you either notihng or an error | 12:18 |
| rexy_ | i havent ran any intrepid updates | 12:18 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: to clear cache run sudo apt-get autoclean | 12:18 |
| rexy_ | that just removes stale install packages | 12:19 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: i knwo what it does | 12:19 |
| tacone | RAOF: I suck big time when it comes to low level question, I'm more suited to give support in other areas | 12:19 |
| rexy_ | then how would it help | 12:19 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: return your sources.list file to hardy | 12:19 |
| rexy_ | it's set to hardy | 12:19 |
| gnomefreak | any intrepid ones? | 12:20 |
| rexy_ | nah | 12:20 |
| gnomefreak | now save and close it and run sudo apt-get update | 12:20 |
| gnomefreak | than run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 12:20 |
| rexy_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 12:21 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: if it doesnt give anything than try installing ubuntu-desktop | 12:21 |
| rexy_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 12:21 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: good | 12:21 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: now wait for intrepid to get fixed than worry about upgrading | 12:22 |
| rexy_ | well it doesnt have to be fixed, as long as i can install it to test some hw support | 12:22 |
| gnomefreak | it should be fixed in a5 along with shutdown/restart/logout problems | 12:23 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: run a chroot | 12:23 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: get the ISO but you will still have problems with ubuntu-desktop its been broken for last 2 alpha releases | 12:24 |
| gnomefreak | rexy_: maybe grab the xubuntu or the kubuntu ISO instead | 12:24 |
| gnomefreak | neither are broken on my system | 12:24 |
| gnomefreak | oh that reminds me | 12:25 |
| === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidnaa | ||
| === JontheEchidnaa is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: my ubuntu-desktop is not broken | 12:50 |
| JollyGiant | I mean, it's installed | 12:51 |
| JollyGiant | I don't remember doing anything special to make it so | 12:51 |
| Hobbsee | JollyGiant: then...fix it? | 12:51 |
| Hobbsee | oh, not broken. never mind | 12:51 |
| gnomefreak | JollyGiant: it is very much broken since we are missing the depends. ill show you hold on | 12:51 |
| gnomefreak | The following packages will be REMOVED: scrollkeeper | 12:52 |
| gnomefreak | you NEED that package | 12:52 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: Doesn't rarian replace it? | 12:53 |
| JollyGiant | rarian-compat has Provides: scrollkeeper | 12:53 |
| JollyGiant | and Replaces | 12:53 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 12:54 |
| gnomefreak | yep it seems to | 12:54 |
| JollyGiant | And you don't "need" that anyway, unless you like reading GNOME documentation :P | 12:54 |
| s0u][ight | Hobbsee: why did you kick him if i may know? | 12:57 |
| gnomefreak | they havent fixed the deps yet on alot of packages | 12:57 |
| Hobbsee | s0u][ight: because he is unwelcome, in any ubuntu channel. | 12:57 |
| jpds | s0u][ight: Known troll. | 12:57 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: They don't need to fix the deps, rarian-compat Provides scrollkeeper and that's fine | 12:58 |
| gnomefreak | hell read /whois | 12:58 |
| gnomefreak | scrollkeeper: Installed: (none) Candidate: 0.3.14-16ubuntu1 | 12:58 |
| gnomefreak | how is that provided | 12:58 |
| s0u][ight | he is op at #fuckubuntu XD | 12:59 |
| JollyGiant | !ohmy | 12:59 |
| ubottu | Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. | 12:59 |
| jpds | s0u][ight: Do not join there. Thanks. | 12:59 |
| gnomefreak | s0u][ight: he made the channel | 12:59 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: dpkg is weird? :) | 12:59 |
| s0u][ight | jpds: i wont :D thats just what i got from whois :D | 12:59 |
| gnomefreak | dpkg is fine | 12:59 |
| s0u][ight | what is his problem? | 13:00 |
| gnomefreak | JollyGiant: how does an app replace and provide | 13:00 |
| gnomefreak | its one or other | 13:00 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: It's a packaging thing | 13:00 |
| Hobbsee | s0u][ight: yes, we've realised. | 13:00 |
| * Hobbsee doubts he'll have it overly long. | 13:00 | |
| JollyGiant | It has to replace it so it can overwrite it's files and it has to provide it so it can satisfy dependencies | 13:00 |
| JollyGiant | its | 13:01 |
| gnomefreak | JollyGiant: the apps still run but the deps on that need ot be fixed | 13:01 |
| s0u][ight | btw sorry for using that channel name :D | 13:01 |
| gnomefreak | JollyGiant: point == it doesnt install it | 13:01 |
| gnomefreak | nor depend on it | 13:01 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: They don't have to, but it would be good housekeeping to update the dependency to the package that actually has that stuff | 13:01 |
| gnomefreak | The following packages will be REMOVED: rarian-compat ubuntu-desktop | 13:02 |
| gnomefreak | The following NEW packages will be installed: scrollkeeper | 13:02 |
| JollyGiant | Obviously installing scrollkeeper will remove rarian-compat | 13:02 |
| gnomefreak | JollyGiant: it doesnt provide scrollkepper as you can see | 13:02 |
| JollyGiant | Provides is for dependency resolution | 13:02 |
| gnomefreak | JollyGiant: that is the point, it doesnt procide it it replaces it | 13:03 |
| gnomefreak | provides | 13:03 |
| JollyGiant | If you want to install scrollkeeper and that packages still exists it'll install it | 13:03 |
| JollyGiant | If scrollkeeper was not in the archive it'd offer to install rarian-compat for you instead. | 13:03 |
| Hobbsee | you don't want scrollkeeper, surely? | 13:03 |
| JollyGiant | You don't | 13:03 |
| gnomefreak | the package needs to be fixed one dont depend on scrollkeeper and 2 dont list it as a provide | 13:04 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: You keep saying 'needs to be fixed' as if something was broken. | 13:04 |
| gnomefreak | errors are not usrer feindly | 13:04 |
| gnomefreak | JollyGiant: end user isnt gonna understand why all those packages depend on scrollkeeper as erros states | 13:05 |
| JollyGiant | There is no error. If you explicitly choose to install scrollkeeper you get it. If you install ubuntu-desktop you get rarian-compat and things that depend on scrollkeeper are fine with using it. | 13:05 |
| JollyGiant | So changing the dependencies would just be a housekeeping thing, not a requirement for a working package. | 13:06 |
| gnomefreak | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/518031 | 13:06 |
| gnomefreak | JollyGiant: tell me again there is no error there | 13:07 |
| JollyGiant | There is no error there | 13:07 |
| JollyGiant | If you install totem-xine dpkg will tell you the same thing about the totem package | 13:07 |
| gnomefreak | dpkg: scrollkeeper: dependency problems, | 13:07 |
| JollyGiant | For a small time those packages are missing a dependency but since apt knows it is installing something that provides that dependency it tells dpkg to ignore it | 13:08 |
| JollyGiant | You'll notice the install didn't actually fail. | 13:08 |
| gnomefreak | it shouldnt. and wont be by release time im sure. the packages need the depends so the end user doesnt see this | 13:08 |
| JollyGiant | No end user will see that unless they do a manual dist-upgrade | 13:09 |
| gnomefreak | end user should never see that | 13:09 |
| gnomefreak | on a stable release | 13:09 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: and they won't, because they'll use the dist-upgrader. | 13:09 |
| JollyGiant | People using update-manager won't see or care, it'll just work | 13:09 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: dist-upgrade fails due to depends issue please see topic above with rexy_ | 13:10 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: If it fails rarian-compat/scrollkeeper is not the reason it fails. | 13:10 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: Guaranteed 100%, that is _not_ the reason. | 13:10 |
| gnomefreak | JollyGiant: it fails on ubuntu-desktop | 13:10 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: For some other reason. | 13:11 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: If the dist-upgrade is failing on rarian-compat/scrollkeeper that is an apt bug. | 13:11 |
| gnomefreak | for a depends issue ant since that is only dep issue with ubuntu-desktop its very likely scrollkeeper | 13:11 |
| JollyGiant | And if apt had such a bug I doubt any transition would ever be possible in the Debian world. | 13:11 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: i presume you'll give a summary, with apt logs. | 13:12 |
| gnomefreak | its not an apt issue if anything its either a dpkg issue or a dep issue | 13:12 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: Would you be more likely to believe me if I did /nick Amaranth? | 13:12 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: i didnt have the issue rexy_ did so he can provide them | 13:12 |
| Hobbsee | and that is *not* the only dep issue with u-d, in the entirety of ubuntu. | 13:12 |
| Hobbsee | please do not talk crack. | 13:12 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: most liekly not but its the only one i see | 13:13 |
| gnomefreak | show me another one | 13:13 |
| JollyGiant | This is not even a dependency issue | 13:13 |
| JollyGiant | It is gnomefreak seeing scary looking things from dpkg he doesn't understand and thinking it's an issue. | 13:13 |
| gnomefreak | JollyGiant: if its not why do i see the error on deps? | 13:13 |
| gnomefreak | JollyGiant: i do understand | 13:14 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: sudo apt-get install totem-xine | 13:14 |
| JollyGiant | You'll see the same message | 13:14 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: there has been no information provided at all on what it might be. | 13:14 |
| Hobbsee | and you are *wrong*, scrollkeeper is not required. | 13:14 |
| gnomefreak | totem-xine is already the newest version. | 13:14 |
| JollyGiant | Oh right, they changed the way that works | 13:15 |
| Hobbsee | now, i will warn you one last time: Please do *not* spread wrong answers, and crack, in this channel. | 13:15 |
| gnomefreak | and if it was a problem with that i would see it | 13:15 |
| JollyGiant | Used to be just like this situation, now they install two binaries and use update-alternatives to choose which one gets the totem symlink | 13:15 |
| gnomefreak | Replaces: scrollkeeper | 13:16 |
| gnomefreak | Provides: scrollkeeper | 13:16 |
| gnomefreak | that shouldnt be contradictory | 13:16 |
| rexy_ | ? | 13:16 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: Read up on what those do. | 13:17 |
| gnomefreak | its not possible to do that with anything | 13:17 |
| JollyGiant | It is, actually | 13:17 |
| JollyGiant | There is actually this goofy tool that will make dummy packages that use Provides to pretend to be some other package so you can keep metapackages like ubuntu-desktop installed. | 13:17 |
| gnomefreak | JollyGiant: how can it replace and provide ther would be a conflict no? | 13:17 |
| gnomefreak | JollyGiant: but rarian is not a meta package per say since all it is is for docs. it has depends most meta packages dont | 13:18 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: Again, Replaces is so it can replace the files from scrollkeeper (/usr/bin/scrollkeeper-update, etc) without dpkg complaining about two packages owning the same file and Provides is for dependency resolution | 13:19 |
| gnomefreak | well ubuntu-desktop changed | 13:19 |
| JollyGiant | To make sure rarian-compat was chosen over scrollkeeper | 13:20 |
| gnomefreak | JollyGiant: right but the packages still depend on a package that isnt installed | 13:20 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: have you not looked into provides? | 13:20 |
| JollyGiant | Since they both fulfill the dependency needs for 'scrollkeeper' and the scrollkeeper package was already installed apt would prefer it. With ubuntu-desktop explicitly depending on rarian-compat it'll get a higher score and be installed. | 13:21 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: it doesnt install it it removes it | 13:21 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: the package now depends on a package that *is* installed - it's rarian-compat. | 13:21 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: Many packages depend on things that aren't actually installed. | 13:21 |
| Hobbsee | now please, do some research on how apt works, before you open your mouth further. | 13:21 |
| * JollyGiant tries to find a java example | 13:21 | |
| gnomefreak | ho that would be recommends since i have never seen that on a stable release | 13:21 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: no, it would not. | 13:22 |
| gnomefreak | s/ho/no | 13:22 |
| gnomefreak | you cant depend on a package that cant be installed due to removing the package you want | 13:22 |
| JollyGiant | All JREs have a Provides for something like 'java-jre' or something so packages that work with all of them can depend on that and get whatever one the user is actually using | 13:22 |
| gnomefreak | hence dep errors | 13:22 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: you can, if you're using provides. | 13:22 |
| Hobbsee | please actually do some *research* | 13:22 |
| gnomefreak | JollyGiant: that is a meta package | 13:22 |
| JollyGiant | java-runtime | 13:23 |
| JollyGiant | its not a metapackage, it's a virtual package | 13:23 |
| JollyGiant | All the JREs have a Provides: java-runtime and a java-based app that works with all of them can just depend on java-runtime and get one of them. | 13:23 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: it would be nice if someone could prove that this error is only on my system if not end user shouldnt see it | 13:23 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: There is no error on your system. | 13:24 |
| JollyGiant | Repeat: There is NO error on your system. | 13:24 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: end users will be using the upgrade manager. they will not see the dialog. it is also not an error. | 13:24 |
| JollyGiant | In your paste you left out the "but removing anyway as you request" | 13:24 |
| gnomefreak | JollyGiant: dep issue is an error but dpkg over rides it | 13:24 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: This is common. | 13:24 |
| JollyGiant | Repeat: This is common. | 13:24 |
| * Hobbsee notes this is like talking to a brick wall. | 13:24 | |
| JollyGiant | There is usually at least one situation like this every release. | 13:24 |
| gnomefreak | JollyGiant: not on stable systems its not on a/beta it is | 13:25 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: incorrect. | 13:25 |
| JollyGiant | There is at least one transition like this _every_ release. | 13:25 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: this happens on a stable release? | 13:25 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: by your logic, the kernel never ever upgrades. | 13:25 |
| JollyGiant | If it was a problem you probably wouldn't be using Ubuntu right now. | 13:25 |
| Hobbsee | it happens on a dist-upgrade. | 13:25 |
| Hobbsee | from a stable release, to another stable release. | 13:25 |
| gnomefreak | i have never seen it on stable release | 13:25 |
| JollyGiant | No one does transitions in an SRU | 13:25 |
| JollyGiant | But during a dist-upgrade? Sure. | 13:26 |
| gnomefreak | not to another stable no but to alpha nd beta yes | 13:26 |
| JollyGiant | Well, a transition in an SRU would require running 'dist-upgrade' but you get what I mean. :P | 13:26 |
| gnomefreak | i do | 13:26 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: so, alphas and betas get kernel upgrades, but from stable-to-stable, you keep the same kernel? | 13:26 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: You have no clue what you are talking about. Please go read the fine manual before discussing this anymore. | 13:26 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: you are on crack. please stop it. | 13:26 |
| Hobbsee | else i will boot you out. | 13:27 |
| Hobbsee | users are not permitted to give out wrong information. neither are ops. | 13:27 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: no you dont but i have never seen an error from dapper to hardy would be latest dist-upgrade | 13:27 |
| JollyGiant | I am sick of trying to be nice when you are rejecting everything we say. | 13:27 |
| JollyGiant | Hobbsee and I should know all about this stuff yet you do not believe us. | 13:27 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: so end user should see this? | 13:27 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: I've already answered that question twice now. | 13:28 |
| Hobbsee | go and read. | 13:28 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: you said they do not that they should | 13:28 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: write in valid english | 13:28 |
| Hobbsee | if you want people to understand you | 13:28 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: you said end users do see it you didnt sy they should/shouldnt | 13:29 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: If a user runs dist-upgrade manually they might see this if they can read fast enough to see it in all the other scary looking text. | 13:29 |
| Hobbsee | [22:24] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: end users will be using the upgrade manager. they will not see the dialog. it is also not an error. | 13:29 |
| JollyGiant | If a user uses update-manager or doesn't pay attention to the dist-upgrade running they won't see this. | 13:29 |
| JollyGiant | If they do see it it doesn't matter since it isn't even an error. | 13:29 |
| Hobbsee | [22:09] <JollyGiant> People using update-manager won't see or care, it'll just work | 13:30 |
| * Hobbsee is sure there were other references too. | 13:30 | |
| JollyGiant | We have throughly explained how this works and unless you have technical proof that we are wrong there is nothing more to say. | 13:30 |
| gnomefreak | i think you are missing the point. not every user will ignor or miss or not care. you know as well as i do that endusers complain about just about anything | 13:30 |
| JollyGiant | So what? Let them complain about a non-issue. We'll just close the bugs as Invalid. | 13:31 |
| |dupondje| | audacious is seriously bugged in Intrepid | 13:32 |
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| gnomefreak | we coudl do that that is fine dont care either way im just pointing out that user shoudnt see it IMHO | 13:32 |
| wgrant | gnomefreak: Users don't see it, do they? | 13:32 |
| Hobbsee | wgrant: this has been discussed repeatedly already. | 13:32 |
| wgrant | Hobbsee: That is what I thought. | 13:32 |
| * Hobbsee hopes gnomefreak is going to go away and actually learn, so as not to stick his foot in his mouth repeateldy, again. | 13:33 | |
| gnomefreak | wgrant: i am so yes they would see it | 13:33 |
| wgrant | gnomefreak: Users don't see the terminal unless they click the scary button which says 'show terminal output' or similar. | 13:33 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: By definition you are not a regular user. | 13:33 |
| JollyGiant | You are here, you are using intrepid. | 13:33 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: you are running a development release now, and this is where you've seen it. you yourself said that you hadn't seen it when doing a stable-to-stable upgrade. | 13:33 |
| wgrant | win 22 | 13:33 |
| gnomefreak | wgrant: with updaate-manager yes but not everyone uses it | 13:33 |
| wgrant | Damn. | 13:33 |
| Hobbsee | where clearly, it happened, but you didn't notice. | 13:34 |
| wgrant | gnomefreak: If one is a scarable user, one will use it. | 13:34 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: right because they fixed it so it isnt shown | 13:34 |
| JollyGiant | No we didn't. | 13:34 |
| Hobbsee | no, they didn't. | 13:34 |
| JollyGiant | Who is 'they'? 'They' is us. | 13:34 |
| gnomefreak | they is all users | 13:34 |
| Hobbsee | now, for the very, veyr last time, please be quiet, learn something useful, and stop giving out incorrect information! | 13:34 |
| gnomefreak | or all devs ot the dev | 13:34 |
| JollyGiant | Users fixed it? | 13:34 |
| gnomefreak | JollyGiant: no i meant devs | 13:35 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: We are devs. We didn't fix it. You didn't see it because it's not an issue. | 13:35 |
| gnomefreak | mvo to be the one | 13:35 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: you're speaking to two fo them now. Has it taken you this long to realise? | 13:35 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: also speaking as one | 13:36 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: You're a packager? | 13:36 |
| gnomefreak | yes | 13:36 |
| * JollyGiant sobs in a corner | 13:36 | |
| Hobbsee | what have you managed to get into the archive, so far? | 13:36 |
| wgrant | I am tempted to revoke your dev license. | 13:36 |
| Hobbsee | wgrant: prepare to forever-veto any motu application. | 13:36 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: mostly mozilla apps but im mainly a sunbird maintainer but i do most any mozilla apps | 13:37 |
| wgrant | gnomefreak: Anyway, there is *no problem*. | 13:37 |
| Hobbsee | ah yes, there is mozilla crack. at least you can't upload unassisted. | 13:37 |
| gnomefreak | the first 6 or so was under wrong thing it was undre a team that wasnt a tam | 13:37 |
| gnomefreak | ompaul: no i cant never tried or cared to be a motu | 13:38 |
| gnomefreak | opps | 13:38 |
| gnomefreak | that is for Hobbsee | 13:38 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: in that case, i would have expected you to know that 119 things depend on 'firefox', but it is not a mandatory package to have - it is a metapackage. | 13:38 |
| gnomefreak | its fine if users see it i guess i still this they shouldnt but that is IMHO | 13:39 |
| Hobbsee | which the conflicts and provides are already used for. | 13:39 |
| Hobbsee | they don't see it. read my lips. | 13:39 |
| gnomefreak | with u-m they dont | 13:39 |
| wgrant | gnomefreak: Only users who know what they are doing will see it. | 13:39 |
| gnomefreak | doing dist-upgrade if they are looking they will see it | 13:39 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: You are proof that even using dist-upgrade they usually don't. | 13:39 |
| JollyGiant | Unless you haven't used dist-upgrade for previous upgrades. | 13:39 |
| wgrant | gnomefreak: You're not allowed to use dist-upgrade. | 13:39 |
| gnomefreak | i test both ways | 13:40 |
| Hobbsee | and you admitted above that you did not see it. | 13:40 |
| JollyGiant | dist-upgrade is "If it breaks you get to keep both pieces" | 13:40 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: right in stable releases i didnt see it | 13:40 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: that was already addressed above. | 13:40 |
| JollyGiant | So users that are easily scared shouldn't see it because they want someone to tape the pieces back together for them. :P | 13:41 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: if you continue, i'm going to give you a timeout, so you can go back and read the logs. | 13:41 |
| Hobbsee | if you were a standard user, you would have been booted a long time ago. | 13:41 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: You didn't see it but it _was_ there. We always have these. | 13:41 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: you missed the IMHO | 13:41 |
| JollyGiant | gnomefreak: You missed the fact where you don't know what you're talking about. | 13:42 |
| JollyGiant | Alright, that was mean. I think I'll just leave the conversation. | 13:42 |
| jpds | Da da. da dum. | 13:42 |
| Hobbsee | sigh. ops should know better. | 13:43 |
| wgrant | Hrm. | 13:43 |
| rexy_ | whats the trigger for the update-manager to show the button for a new release, even if it's alpha/beta so you can at least try to upgrade? | 13:53 |
| LSD|Ninja | I'm not sure it's possible to make it prompt for alpha/beta releases. It is possible though to have it prompt for more than just LTS releases | 13:55 |
| rexy_ | ah that explains it i guess, thanx | 13:55 |
| LSD|Ninja | You can upgrade to development releases with update-manager though, I'm just not 100% sure how off-hand | 13:57 |
| tanath | how do i make the Desktop Search icon stop appearing in the notification area at login? | 14:05 |
| LSD|Ninja | disable it? | 14:06 |
| tanath | i thought it was tracker, so i ended up removing it, but it still shows up | 14:06 |
| tanath | how? | 14:06 |
| tanath | i've tried | 14:06 |
| tanath | right clicking has no options but Quit | 14:07 |
| tanath | but it still comes back next login | 14:07 |
| cameronh | hi everyone.. on my intrepid dev box, apt-get install gnome is showing unmet dependencies from gnome-office and system-config-printer | 14:07 |
| LSD|Ninja | There's a preference for it somewhere, I just can't remember where because I don't have it handy right now | 14:07 |
| tanath | :-/ | 14:07 |
| tanath | also, the same magnifying glass icon appears in the login splash, with the name visual assistance, but that's turned off... | 14:08 |
| tanath | anyone else have the problem where the splash screen doesn't go away after login? | 14:15 |
| * penguin42 has a hang of the alpha4 live cd; last thing on vt8 is starting CUPS - anyone else seen that? | 14:24 | |
| tanath | i haven't been able to see a virtual terminal since upgrading to intrepid some time ago | 14:25 |
| * penguin42 hits reset and tries again | 14:27 | |
| penguin42 | what's the second orange blob below the main progress bar about ? | 14:30 |
| JollyGiant | a display bug | 14:31 |
| penguin42 | ah ok :-) | 14:31 |
| JollyGiant | is it just me or are most windows slightly translucent? | 14:32 |
| JollyGiant | using Human-Murrine | 14:32 |
| JollyGiant | so far gnome-terminal (the menu, anyway) and gnome-system-monitor are translucent, I guess we must be patching gtk+ to default to RGBA | 14:33 |
| wgrant | JollyGiant: Apps have to be explicitly patched for that, IIRC. | 14:34 |
| JollyGiant | wgrant: Either the apps or gtk+ itself | 14:34 |
| * penguin42 doesn't seem to have a working X - I see a white screen with mouse cursor on it; but that doesn't move | 14:35 | |
| penguin42 | (off live CD) | 14:35 |
| wgrant | JollyGiant: I'm pretty sure that the apps need to initialise their widgets as RGBA | 14:36 |
| JollyGiant | wgrant: They don't, if you patch gtk+ to make the default RGBA | 14:38 |
| JollyGiant | wgrant: Then they need to specifically request RGB if they don't want RGBA | 14:38 |
| wgrant | Aha. | 14:38 |
| JollyGiant | and of course you'll get rgb by default if you aren't running a compositor | 14:39 |
| JollyGiant | which is somewhat broken as you then don't get proper alpha when you turn a compositor on unless you restart the app | 14:39 |
| penguin42 | oh please don't tell me compiz is on for failsafe-gnome | 14:42 |
| JollyGiant | it's hard enough getting it on for non-failsafe gnome | 14:42 |
| JollyGiant | although I imagine someone may have introduced such a bug when making it work for non-failsafe | 14:43 |
| penguin42 | JollyGiant: I'm running off the live CD and gnome is giving me a white screen | 14:43 |
| JollyGiant | gnome-session completely changed | 14:43 |
| JollyGiant | penguin42: get a newer alpha disc | 14:43 |
| penguin42 | JollyGiant: This is Alpha4 | 14:43 |
| JollyGiant | penguin42: what video card? | 14:43 |
| penguin42 | Old Radeon R100/7200 | 14:43 |
| JollyGiant | weird | 14:43 |
| penguin42 | I can get the failsafe-xterm session up, but not failsafe gnome | 14:44 |
| penguin42 | (I see a Hardy Heron backdrop and then it goes all-white = but I can move the mouse cursor - now that I've realised which mouse is connected) | 14:44 |
| JollyGiant | penguin42: after a bit blindly hit alt-f2 and type metacity --replace | 14:47 |
| penguin42 | ok, will do | 14:48 |
| penguin42 | yeh that worked | 14:49 |
| penguin42 | this machine used to have 3D rendering issues and I was asked to try Intrepid to see if it still happened; I've added this behaviour to the end of that report bug #15219 | 14:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 15219 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "r100 lockups during/after dri (radeon 7000, mobility m6)" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15219 | 14:51 |
| * penguin42 looks at the imaginative way interpid has reordered his discs | 14:53 | |
| motz | kann mir wer mit der busybox helfen und intrepid ;) | 15:01 |
| motz | wurde schon alles neuaufgesetzt und auch paar mal runtergerladen und neu gebrannt | 15:02 |
| Hobbsee | !de | 15:04 |
| ubottu | Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de | 15:04 |
| Hobbsee | ich kann helfen im Deutsch nicht :)0 | 15:04 |
| motz | die haben mich ja hier hergeshickt ;) | 15:04 |
| * Hobbsee looks for a translator | 15:05 | |
| motz | anyone help with stucked at installation by busy box ;) | 15:05 |
| Hobbsee | ahh | 15:05 |
| penguin42 | motz: Are there any messages? | 15:06 |
| Hobbsee | motz: either way, if you want help here, it'll need to be in english :) | 15:06 |
| motz | okey | 15:06 |
| motz | no messages | 15:06 |
| penguin42 | hmm - is this a boot off the cd or just after installation? | 15:07 |
| motz | installtion on wubi | 15:07 |
| motz | after reboot | 15:07 |
| penguin42 | ok, what's your hardware ? | 15:07 |
| motz | he tries so start ubuntu then comes the loADING SCRENN | 15:07 |
| motz | extensa 520 | 15:07 |
| motz | acer | 15:07 |
| penguin42 | what type of disc does it have? | 15:07 |
| motz | hitachi sata drive 80gb | 15:08 |
| motz | 1,6 ghz celeron | 15:08 |
| motz | intel m 520 chipset | 15:08 |
| penguin42 | hmm, nothing unusual then; from the busy box prompt can you do cat /proc/partitions | 15:08 |
| motz | system is dual boot | 15:08 |
| motz | ill try | 15:10 |
| penguin42 | just to see if it can see your hard disc and the partitions | 15:10 |
| motz | could u paste one time again switched pc | 15:14 |
| penguin42 | motz: Sure, cat /proc/partitions - see if it can see your disc | 15:15 |
| motz | initamfs should stay ? | 15:16 |
| penguin42 | yes | 15:17 |
| motz | proc: invalid length | 15:18 |
| penguin42 | weird.... | 15:18 |
| penguin42 | do you see anything if you ls /proc | 15:18 |
| motz | ahh mom | 15:18 |
| motz | must find / | 15:18 |
| motz | german kb , doh ;) | 15:18 |
| motz | find many numbers and so | 15:19 |
| motz | like 886 execdomains sysvipc | 15:19 |
| penguin42 | really? In /proc/partitions ? | 15:20 |
| penguin42 | ah | 15:20 |
| motz | yes | 15:20 |
| motz | sometimes he boots in blank screen | 15:20 |
| penguin42 | so, try the cat /proc/partitions again - you should see number number bignumber name | 15:20 |
| penguin42 | what names do you see | 15:20 |
| motz | can i write w/o slash ? | 15:22 |
| penguin42 | yeh; cd /proc cat partitions | 15:23 |
| motz | cd? | 15:25 |
| motz | und mean cat or`? | 15:25 |
| penguin42 | cd /proc | 15:25 |
| penguin42 | cat paritions | 15:25 |
| penguin42 | t | 15:25 |
| motz | now he shows numbers and so | 15:26 |
| motz | 254 0 125056 ramzwap0 | 15:26 |
| motz | is first | 15:26 |
| motz | u need all ? | 15:28 |
| penguin42 | ok, so that's a ram disc; are there any like sda or sdb or hda ? | 15:28 |
| motz | sda1 , 2 ,5! | 15:29 |
| penguin42 | ok - so the good news is that it found your hard disc - the bad news is that I'm not sure what to look for now; not finiding the hard disc is the most common problem here | 15:30 |
| motz | change to hda ? maybe | 15:30 |
| motz | wasnt there a menu.lst workaround | 15:30 |
| penguin42 | it could be a bad menu.lst | 15:31 |
| motz | reformatet yesterday | 15:32 |
| tanath | how should you report a bug if you don't know what package it's in? | 15:32 |
| motz | could it help to install alone wo xp`? | 15:33 |
| penguin42 | tanath: You don't have to select a package do you? | 15:33 |
| tanath | penguin42: perhaps not. haven't tried that | 15:34 |
| tanath | i get no video output when booting, and same when switching to a virtual terminal | 15:34 |
| tanath | only get video when X is running | 15:34 |
| motz | better tp change 8.04 and wait for later alpha or final no problem thank you! | 15:35 |
| Sianis_ | hi | 15:36 |
| Sianis_ | can somebody help me a little? | 15:37 |
| motz | when i uninstall on wibu is the all removed? | 15:37 |
| penguin42 | Sianis_: Sure, just explain what you need help with | 15:37 |
| Sianis_ | penguin42: thx | 15:37 |
| Sianis_ | do you have 8.10? | 15:38 |
| penguin42 | yeh I have Alpha4 running off CD | 15:39 |
| Sianis_ | nice | 15:39 |
| motz | thanx penguin anyway! | 15:39 |
| JollyGiant | tanath: That bug has been reported about 158347562 times. | 15:39 |
| tanath | JollyGiant: oh? got a bug number for me? | 15:39 |
| Sianis_ | penguin42: http://pastebin.com/d269c2918 | 15:40 |
| JollyGiant | Not really, don't remember it | 15:40 |
| Sianis_ | here is a little script | 15:40 |
| JollyGiant | tanath: Try installing v86d | 15:40 |
| Sianis_ | copy it into applist.sh pls | 15:40 |
| tanath | JollyGiant: i guess i can dig a bit in launchpad | 15:40 |
| tanath | JollyGiant: v86d? | 15:40 |
| JollyGiant | !info v86d | 15:41 |
| ubottu | v86d (source: v86d): daemon to run x86 code in an emulated environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.5-1ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 37 kB, installed size 180 kB (Only available for i386 amd64) | 15:41 |
| JollyGiant | When in doubt assume it's a package name :P | 15:41 |
| tanath | JollyGiant: yeah, already looked it up | 15:41 |
| tanath | JollyGiant: i'm wondering how it might help | 15:41 |
| JollyGiant | tanath: I haven't checked recently but I know at one point the kernel was trying to use uvesafb | 15:41 |
| tanath | JollyGiant: and why it became broken in the first place :P | 15:41 |
| JollyGiant | Which does not work without v86d | 15:41 |
| tanath | hm | 15:42 |
| JollyGiant | maybe try `dmesg | grep uvesa` | 15:42 |
| tanath | JollyGiant: it worked fine in hardy & prior. only started in intrepid | 15:42 |
| JollyGiant | tanath: And? | 15:42 |
| tanath | uvesafb: failed to execute /sbin/v86d | 15:42 |
| tanath | etc | 15:42 |
| tanath | hm | 15:42 |
| tanath | hadn't noticed that before | 15:42 |
| tanath | thanks for the tip | 15:42 |
| penguin42 | Sianis_: OK, it's producing believable output | 15:43 |
| Sianis_ | ./applist.sh main > main && ./applist.sh restricted > restricted && ./applist.sh universe > universe && ./applist.sh multiverse > multiverse | 15:43 |
| Sianis_ | run this penguin42 pls and pastebin it pls! | 15:43 |
| * penguin42 is getting confused - the monitor for my 8.10 box is over there <----- it's mouse is over there -----> and it's keyboard is down there ---v | 15:43 | |
| tanath | lol | 15:44 |
| penguin42 | Sianis_: That's going to take me a few minutes | 15:44 |
| tanath | penguin42: that could be fixed, no? | 15:44 |
| penguin42 | tanath: Ah well the thing is the keyboard for my main box is in the middle | 15:44 |
| Sianis_ | penguin42: okey, I have time and thx! | 15:44 |
| JollyGiant | tanath: bug 246269 | 15:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 246269 in linux-meta "Switched from vesafb to uvesafb, but uvesafb can't work without v86d" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246269 | 15:45 |
| tanath | JollyGiant: i take it that'll only help after a reboot? didn't restore virtual terminals yet | 15:45 |
| JollyGiant | obviously | 15:45 |
| JollyGiant | If it helps at all | 15:45 |
| tanath | figured | 15:45 |
| JollyGiant | You have no framebuffer driver running | 15:46 |
| JollyGiant | So no framebuffer | 15:46 |
| penguin42 | and it doesn't fall back to good old VGA text? | 15:46 |
| tanath | JollyGiant: ok, time to reboot again. if it doesn't work, i prolly won't be back for now, so thanks for the help | 15:47 |
| tanath | damnit, shutdown/reboot never works anymore either | 15:48 |
| penguin42 | Sianis_: Are you ok if I upload it as a tar somewhere? | 15:48 |
| Sianis_ | of course penguin42 | 15:48 |
| JollyGiant | d'oh, just remembered you can reload the module | 15:50 |
| JollyGiant | remove it and insert it again | 15:50 |
| penguin42 | Sianis_: http://www.treblig.org/debug/forSianis.tgz | 15:50 |
| Sianis_ | got it | 15:51 |
| Sianis_ | big thx | 15:51 |
| * penguin42 tries to clear out the discs of his old machines to put it in a state to reinstall with Intrepid | 15:54 | |
| tanath | JollyGiant: that fixed it. thanks | 16:03 |
| napsy | Hello. Are there plans to include pulseaudio 0.9.11 with intrepid? | 16:38 |
| bazhang | !info pulseaudio | 16:53 |
| ubottu | pulseaudio (source: pulseaudio): PulseAudio sound server. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.10-2ubuntu3 (intrepid), package size 288 kB, installed size 1256 kB | 16:53 |
| napsy | yes I know what's pulseaudio | 16:54 |
| napsy | I want to know if 0.9.11 will be in intrepid | 16:54 |
| napsy | because there's a huge difference in versions 0.9.10 and 0.9.11 | 16:54 |
| bazhang | napsy, look at the version; the feature freeze is August 28 | 16:55 |
| bazhang | ie in eleven days | 16:56 |
| napsy | there's still time | 16:56 |
| penguin42 | napsy: Try filing a bug against the package and ask for it | 16:57 |
| thomas_ | Hi | 17:39 |
| ikonia | hello | 17:40 |
| === marko__ is now known as marko-_- | ||
| thomas_ | I think Intrepid should have a fully graphical installer | 17:40 |
| ikonia | ubuntu already has a graphical installer | 17:40 |
| ikonia | it has done for a long time | 17:40 |
| thomas_ | No I mean from boot | 17:40 |
| ikonia | yes from boot | 17:40 |
| ikonia | ubuntu has had a graphical installer for a long time | 17:41 |
| thomas_ | I know | 17:41 |
| ikonia | infact I can't think of a current distro without a graphical installer | 17:41 |
| thomas_ | What i mean is | 17:41 |
| ikonia | thomas_: so if you know, why are you saying it should get one | 17:41 |
| thomas_ | that when you put this disk in it should not have that text screen | 17:41 |
| LSD|Ninja | thomas_: you can't avoid that | 17:41 |
| JollyGiant | what text screen? | 17:42 |
| ikonia | thomas_: what text, the one that says "press enter to install" as in the menu ? | 17:42 |
| JollyGiant | The very first screen you see has graphics on it and a menu | 17:42 |
| thomas_ | you know the one with the ubuntu logo on it and Try Ubuntu then Install Ubuntu | 17:42 |
| ikonia | JollyGiant: exactly | 17:42 |
| ikonia | thomas_: are you serious ? | 17:42 |
| thomas_ | Yes | 17:42 |
| JollyGiant | If you mean you should be able to use your mouse there then I'm sorry, not possible | 17:42 |
| ikonia | thomas_: thats graphical, and a menu to give you options | 17:42 |
| ikonia | JollyGiant: thats a pointless thing - let along not possible | 17:42 |
| LSD|Ninja | if you leave it long enough it'll default to booting the desktop CD | 17:43 |
| penguin42 | the language selection screen on intrepid is a bit grim | 17:43 |
| penguin42 | (I realise it's got a rather large list of languages) | 17:43 |
| thomas_ | Should ubuntu be more black or Brown? | 17:43 |
| penguin42 | (Can anyone remember what the magic is to start an lvm set by hand) | 17:43 |
| ikonia | thomas_: what ? | 17:43 |
| ikonia | thomas_: as in the logo ? | 17:43 |
| penguin42 | thomas_: Nothing wrong with brown; chocolate is brown | 17:43 |
| LSD|Ninja | thomas_: less brown, definitely | 17:44 |
| ikonia | the logo is red/yellow/brown | 17:44 |
| thomas_ | NO as in the interface | 17:44 |
| LSD|Ninja | thomas_: whoever designed the placeholder theme in Intrepid missed that memo | 17:44 |
| bazhang | thomas_, this is offtopic | 17:44 |
| thomas_ | ok | 17:44 |
| ikonia | this is pointless | 17:44 |
| thomas_ | About development | 17:44 |
| ikonia | no it's not | 17:44 |
| JollyGiant | LSD|Ninja: Err, the placeholder was brown | 17:44 |
| bazhang | thomas join #ubuntu-offtopic | 17:44 |
| LSD|Ninja | JollyGiant: It was more brown, not less | 17:44 |
| JollyGiant | Why? Not like anything is happening in here right now | 17:45 |
| bazhang | not the point. | 17:45 |
| JollyGiant | LSD|Ninja: It was meant to expose bugs in apps when using a dark theme | 17:45 |
| LSD|Ninja | JollyGiant: whatever it was, it sucked | 17:45 |
| JollyGiant | Although I think originally the plan was to tune it to be the real theme | 17:45 |
| JollyGiant | Now everyone is freaking out about the willwill mockup | 17:47 |
| JollyGiant | I tried to implement it, it just doesn't work outside of mockup screenshots | 17:47 |
| ikonia | JollyGiant: what's the willwill mockup ? | 17:49 |
| JollyGiant | ikonia: http://willwill100.deviantart.com/art/Interpid-Ibex-Mockup-Part-1-93584571 | 17:49 |
| JollyGiant | I had the basic color scheme, the menus, etc all done in a murrine-based theme | 17:50 |
| ikonia | quit tidy | 17:50 |
| JollyGiant | After a couple hours I ditched it | 17:50 |
| ikonia | just quite clean | 17:50 |
| JollyGiant | Although I am using a implementation of his GDM mockup, it's rather nice | 17:51 |
| JollyGiant | I guess if someone took the time to tune his theme ideas to not, well, suck it would be alright | 17:51 |
| ikonia | mockups are great, but implimenting them into themes is a real pain | 17:51 |
| JollyGiant | However thanks to firefox not really following the theme you can't just outright implement what he has there | 17:52 |
| JollyGiant | Unless you make a firefox theme to match | 17:52 |
| JollyGiant | Most of the other implementations seem to just decide black with some yellow tossed in somewhere is a valid implementation of his mockup | 17:53 |
| JollyGiant | and firefox tries to use dark theme widgets in webpages, which is just fail | 17:54 |
| * penguin42 is probably having only 1 in 3 boots (if that) get reasonably far in the boot of alpha 4 | 18:05 | |
| captjake | hello | 18:13 |
| penguin42 | hi | 18:13 |
| captjake | hey answerguy could I get you to answer a question | 18:14 |
| bazhang | captjake, this about gos? | 18:14 |
| captjake | well this message is to all here im new to gOs which is ubuntu I think so it says its 8.0.4 or whatever | 18:14 |
| bazhang | captjake, #gos | 18:15 |
| captjake | LOL but it even plays the ubuntu music like im in africa and says its ubuntu | 18:15 |
| bazhang | captjake, it is not supported here or in any ubuntu channel | 18:15 |
| captjake | #gos | 18:17 |
| captjake | does ubuntu have wine? | 18:18 |
| captjake | I like ubuntu feel the same | 18:18 |
| EagleSn | yes, ubuntu has wine | 18:24 |
| EagleSn | is this channel also to talf about kubuntu intrepid? | 18:27 |
| jo0ma | hi everybody | 18:28 |
| EagleSn | hi | 18:30 |
| jo0ma | When I booted Ubuntu Intrepid for the first time, window borders looked amazing. I changed them and now I can't go to default theme. How to restore to Intrepid default theme? I am using compiz(Normal Visual Effects) | 18:35 |
| DanaG | Argh, samba with gvfs is way broken. | 18:55 |
| DanaG | Try to connect... it asks you to log in. | 18:56 |
| DanaG | And no combination of username and password is taken as correct | 18:56 |
| penguin42 | /var/log/smbd ? | 18:56 |
| DanaG | .. and then sometimes it says "mountpoint already registered" | 18:56 |
| DanaG | .... and other times, the mount replicates itself in the sidebar in Nautilus. | 18:56 |
| DanaG | gvfs doesn't use smbd, does it? | 18:56 |
| penguin42 | ah | 18:57 |
| * penguin42 doesn't know | 18:57 | |
| penguin42 | oh - I see this is mounting rather than exporting | 18:57 |
| DanaG | Other computer is XP Home; that's likely the issue. | 18:57 |
| DanaG | DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: Mountpoint Already registered | 18:58 |
| DanaG | ARGH! | 18:58 |
| DanaG | ... I click the thing in the sidebar, it says "already registered" | 18:58 |
| DanaG | well, no ****, sherlock! | 18:58 |
| DanaG | Eeh, I'll just do it a different way. | 18:59 |
| sidewalk | hey, where can i get an iso of the latest unstable version? | 19:25 |
| LSD|Ninja | cdimage.ubuntu.com like everything else | 19:26 |
| LSD|Ninja | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/ to be precise | 19:26 |
| LSD|Ninja | Not sure if there's nightlies or not | 19:26 |
| sidewalk | thanks alot :-) | 19:26 |
| Fredd | hm sound is gone again lol | 19:42 |
| === napsy__ is now known as napsy_ | ||
| Fredd | sound back again lol | 19:53 |
| Fredd | !bugs | 20:04 |
| ubottu | If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots | 20:04 |
| Fredd | where could i find the log file for the very startup messages? the ones with the [ ok ] at the end | 20:08 |
| === rrm31 is now known as rrm3 | ||
| DGMurdockIII | is there a roadmap for ubuntu? | 20:51 |
| dupondje | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacious/+bug/258797 | 20:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 258797 in audacious "audacious (tuple_get_int: assertion `tuple != NULL' failed) add patch" [Undecided,New] | 20:52 |
| dupondje | somebody check plz :) | 20:52 |
| pwnguin | DGMurdockIII: yes | 20:52 |
| DGMurdockIII | do you have a link | 20:52 |
| pwnguin | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu is sort of everything people are thinking about | 20:53 |
| pwnguin | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule is a timeline | 20:54 |
| EruditeHermit | hi, is there a way to run the iso image off a USB stick for alpha4? I know this was a planned feature, I was wondering if it had been implemented yet? | 21:45 |
| === marko_ is now known as marko-_- | ||
| taggie | EruditeHermit; check out the script here: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ it will let you run basically any linux liveCD from a USB flash, bonus it even will set it up from a windows host. | 22:37 |
| burner | anyone know how to get a Windows Mobile device working with the new network manager as a modem? | 22:43 |
| sleepster | how come ubuntu server comes with xen stuff compiled inside the kernel? | 22:50 |
| sleepster | I am trying to install my nvidia drivers and it will not let me because it says my kernel is wrong | 22:50 |
| sleepster | I installed ubuntu server 8 | 22:50 |
| RAOF | sleepster: I think the Ubuntu packges for the nvidia drivers have small patches applied to make them build. | 22:51 |
| RAOF | That said, I don't think we build the nvidia drivers for the server kernel. | 22:51 |
| RAOF | Also, #ubuntu+1 is about Intrepid, not Hardy ;) | 22:52 |
| sleepster | oh :) | 22:52 |
| sleepster | sorry | 22:52 |
| RAOF | That's ok. | 22:52 |
| sleepster | but I cannot get into ubuntu because I am using mibbit | 22:52 |
| RAOF | It's quite quiet. | 22:52 |
| sleepster | I am using a proxy | 22:52 |
| sleepster | so is there anyway around this? maybe I will load up ubuntu server 7 | 22:53 |
| RAOF | So, I'm not sure if we don't build nvidia drivers for the server kernel is because no one wants them or because they don't build :) | 22:53 |
| RAOF | sleepster: Why are you using the server kernel, again? You could concievably just use the -generic kernel and use the Ubuntu nvidia packages. | 22:53 |
| sleepster | I guess I am just using the kernel shipped with server | 22:54 |
| sleepster | I didn't make any changes | 22:54 |
| RAOF | So, you could install the -generic kernel; that's one option. | 22:54 |
| sleepster | hmm.. I am looking for a very light weight ubuntu | 22:54 |
| sleepster | so I use ubuntu server + fluxbox | 22:54 |
| sleepster | it's been working great up until 8 | 22:55 |
| RAOF | Install the -generic kernel and the nvidia-glx-new package :) | 22:56 |
| sleepster | :) | 22:56 |
| sleepster | okay sounds good | 22:56 |
| sleepster | thanks | 22:57 |
| EruditeHermit | taggie: thanks, I will try that out now | 23:18 |
| EruditeHermit | that is weird, its not downloading | 23:22 |
| EruditeHermit | sf having problems/ | 23:22 |
| DarkWave43302 | hi all | 23:27 |
| EruditeHermit | taggie: are you able to access the Linux version of unetbootin from that site? | 23:30 |
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