[00:02] <mp5shooter> Hi, can I get an Ubuntu cloak here?
[00:04] <nalioth> mp5shooter: are you an Ubuntu member?
[00:04] <mp5shooter> Yes
[00:04] <nalioth> got a launchpad page?
[00:04] <mp5shooter> No, I don
[00:05] <mp5shooter> don't. Do I need one
[00:05] <mp5shooter> ?
[00:05] <nalioth> if you are an Ubuntu member, you'll have a LP page  :|
[00:05] <mp5shooter> Really?
[00:05] <mp5shooter> I
[00:06] <mp5shooter> I'm signed up on the Ubuntu forums
[00:06] <mp5shooter> Which makes me an Ubuntu member, right?
[00:06] <nalioth> no.
[00:06] <mp5shooter> :$
[00:06] <nalioth> !member
[00:06] <mp5shooter> Thanks
[01:42] <zzl> how come ubuntu company won't accept my disk request?
[03:44] <Arc_> hey
[03:46] <Arc_> is there a process for changing the owner of a loco channel?
[03:47] <elkbuntu> Arc_, depends if former owner is still available
[03:48] <Arc_> he hasn't been around since the loco council meeting and has gone completely non-responsive
[03:48] <Arc_> by all indications we'll never see or hear from him again
[03:48] <elkbuntu> how long ago was this?
[03:49] <elkbuntu> and for which loco?
[03:49] <Arc_> new hampshire
[03:50] <elkbuntu> how long ago was the loco council meeting?
[03:50] <Arc_> almost a month ago
[03:50] <elkbuntu> and the former leader is who?
[03:50] <Arc_> he was replaced as our loco council admin due to CoC violations
[03:50] <Arc_> matthew craig
[03:51] <Arc_> aka m-c aka desertc
[03:51] <elkbuntu> oh. him.
[03:51] <Arc_> yea nikkiana is our new admin
[03:51] <elkbuntu> my opinion of him is not high. however, his time with us has always been sporadic
[03:52] <Arc_> yea well at present nobody in the loco has any access in the channel, he gave ops only to members of other locos.  it's a weird situation
[03:53] <Arc_> nothing urgent to solve tonight, but it'd be nice for our team's irc channel to be managed by the team
[03:53] <elkbuntu> yeah, from what i've seen, he's all about status and fame
[03:53] <Arc_> yea that'd be a fair evaluation.
[03:53] <elkbuntu> he came into my loco and proceeded to tell us that LCA was a 'silly lug meeting'
[03:54] <elkbuntu> linux.conf.au is a very well established and respected foss conference
[03:55] <Arc_> before he moved here he wrote every GNHLUG board member (a very old and well established LUG with several chapters, founded by Jon "maddog" Hall) and told them that it was urgent that they call him.  the one that did he apparently got angry about because she was "disrespecting him" and not being active enough
[03:55] <Arc_> a general warning was passed around GNHLUG about him before he even moved here :-/
[03:55] <elkbuntu> hehe
[03:55] <Arc_> but I don't want to gossip about him, I'd just like to see the last piece resolved
[03:56] <elkbuntu> no problem
[03:56] <Arc_> so is there a process in place for this, or someone specific to talk to?
[03:56] <elkbuntu> yeah, you're right here
[03:57] <elkbuntu> who is magicrobotmonkey?
[03:57] <Arc_> a member of another loco IIRC
[03:59] <Arc_> im at a loco afterparty right now, nikkiana is sitting next to me
[03:59] <Arc_> most of the members are right here
[04:00] <elkbuntu> it'd be advisable if the person who wanted to be admin of the team was present, since they are to be the contact for all things team-related
[04:01] <Arc_> ok i'll get her to open her laptop :-)
[04:03] <elkbuntu> hi nikkiana :)
[04:03] <nikkiana> elkbuntu, you beckoned?
[04:03] <nikkiana> hey!
[04:03] <elkbuntu> nikkiana, so you're the loco contact now? :)
[04:03] <nikkiana> elkbuntu, indeed i am.
[04:04] <Arc_> yea we reached that consensus at the meeting today
[04:04] <elkbuntu> did they all vote you in or did you volunteer?
[04:04] <elkbuntu> aha
[04:04] <Arc_> the loco council made her launchpad admin but we waited until this meeting to determine a contact person
[04:04] <nikkiana> elkbuntu, it was a vote.
[04:05] <Arc_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewHampshireTeam/Meetings/20080816
[04:05] <elkbuntu> ok cool. i'm just finding someone with relavent irc-fu right now
[04:06] <Arc_> apparently magicrobotmonkey lives in NH, he just hasn't been to a meeting yet
[04:07] <Arc_> so I guess he's the only loco member with ops access
[04:08] <nalioth> so what do we need to do ( in a nutshell )?
[04:08] <nalioth> Arc_: can you identify to nickserv, please?
[04:09] <Arc_> if you could replace desertc/m-c with nikkiana as channel owner we could do the rest
[04:09] <Arc_> nalioth: ok
[04:09] <nalioth> i guess we're discussing #ubuntu-us-nh ?
[04:09] <Arc_> my normal nick is Arc - I'm not at home right now but am logged in
[04:09] <Arc_> yes
[04:10] <Arc_> er, am now id'ed to nickserv
[04:11] <Arc_> I was just going through making sure all the places the contact/leader/admin/etc for the loco was listed online were updated, and realized the IRC part I couldn't edit
[04:11] <nalioth> nikkiana: i believe you are set up now
[04:12] <nikkiana> nalioth, thanks!
[04:12]  * elkbuntu hugs nikkiana
[04:12] <elkbuntu> now go be awesome :)
[04:12] <Arc_> chanserv still lists m-c as "founder"
[04:12] <nalioth> Arc_: nikkiana has full access
[04:13] <Arc_> ok
[04:13] <Arc_> so will this update the page?
[04:13]  * nikkiana hugs elkbuntu 
[04:13] <elkbuntu> Arc_, nikkiana has more powers than m-c. if she /msg chanserv help she can find out all the needs to know
[04:13] <nalioth> we have new services, you see ( there can be up to 4 'founder' class users on the ACL )
[04:14] <Arc_> ah ok
[04:14] <Arc_> sorry we've all drinken a bit at this point :-)
[04:14] <Arc_> sugar maple liqour
[04:14] <elkbuntu> at least m-c did the right thing and set the staff in the access list
[04:15] <nalioth> where is m-c ?
[04:15] <elkbuntu> nalioth, MIA
[04:15] <nalioth> oh?
[04:15] <elkbuntu> hasnt been seen since the moment the team was made official
[04:15] <nalioth>  9 hours?
[04:16] <Arc_> he pops on IRC but doesn't join the channel, and seems to only be on IRC very briefly
[04:16] <Arc_> pleia2 and popey can verify that
[04:16] <elkbuntu> you can get /ns info to work?
[04:18] <nikkiana> yep
[04:19] <elkbuntu> Arc_, links to the logs of that meeting?
[04:19] <Arc_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewHampshireTeam/Meetings/20080816
[04:19] <Arc_> it was an in-person meeting, not IRC
[04:20] <nalioth> no official minutes?
[04:20] <Arc_> those are the official minutes
[04:21] <Arc_> was I suppost to write them in a specific format?
[04:24] <Arc_> there was a lot of chat about different things so not the easiest to take minutes on
[04:25] <elkbuntu> Arc_, what about the pleia2 popey meeting minutes
[04:26] <Arc_> oh sorry I ment you could verify that m-c hasn't joined #ubuntu-us-nh in almost a month from them
[04:29] <Arc_> oh weird magicrobotmonkey seems to be the only other person with ops right now
[04:29] <nalioth> Arc_: nikkiana can remedy that
[04:30] <Arc_> yea im helping her
[04:34] <Arc_> she can't set herself +F
[04:34] <Arc_> she's only -f and can't remove m-c since he's the only founder
[04:34] <Arc_> er only lowercase f
[04:40] <elkbuntu> i think that's what nalioth was waiting on verification before doing
[04:40] <Arc_> ah
[04:40] <Arc_> sorry not following Irc very well
[04:40] <nalioth> Arc_: she can manage the channel just fine.
[04:40] <nalioth> isn't that the ultimate point?
[04:41] <nalioth> or are you after "GLORY" and a title?
[04:41] <Arc_> we're looking to mitigate further harm
[04:42] <Arc_> m-c banned a US admin from our channel last month just before the council meeting, and while he hasn't been around, he isn't exactly the most stable individual
[04:42] <Arc_> and we've spent a lot of time already dealing with this
[04:42] <Arc_> there's no rush in this as I said before
[04:42] <elkbuntu> pleia2, are you awake?
[04:42] <elkbuntu> popey, you too?
[04:43] <Arc_> you can verify with the loco council/etc - popey is the loco council member who's been handling this thus far
[04:43] <Arc_> pleia2 is our advisor
[04:43] <pleia2> hey
[04:43] <elkbuntu> and neither of them are actively conversing right now, which is why we asked for irc logs of any agreement they had
[04:43] <Arc_> oh emails there is
[04:43] <nalioth> i honestly don't think this is gonna become an issue in the next 24h
[04:43] <nikkiana> hi pleia2! :D
[04:44] <elkbuntu> pleia2, can you verify that m-c is effectively persona non gratis?
[04:44] <Arc_> nalioth: I agree.  there's no rush on this at all, as I said as we've been sitting around talking I've been updating wiki pages and stuff and realized the IRC stuff hasn't been dealt with yet
[04:44] <elkbuntu> s/gratis/grata/
[04:45] <pleia2> elkbuntu: that's correct, the ubuntu loco council and the us mentors team have been working with us-nh for a couple months now, m-c has brokent the CoC several times and was removed from leadership by the loco council
[04:46] <pleia2> nikkiana has already been replaced as the admin on launchpad, and Arc is now running the mailing list
[04:46] <elkbuntu> nalioth, is this enough verification?
[04:47] <nalioth> %actioned
[04:48]  * elkbuntu hugs pleia2 and nikkiana
[04:48] <Arc_> don't forget - he hasn't been in the channel for almost a month, hasn't joined the mailing list (and was specifically invited), and didn't attend the last two meetings
[04:48]  * nikkiana hugs elkbuntu and pleia2 
[04:48]  * pleia2 hugs elkbuntu and nalioth!
[04:48] <pleia2> hehe
[04:48]  * nikkiana hugs nalioth and Arc_ too!
[04:48] <nalioth> need any help, you can just PM me any time ( i'll get back with you when i see the message )
[04:49] <Arc_> thanks guys
[04:49] <nikkiana> nalioth, thanks so much! glad to meet you. :)
[04:49] <nalioth> good to have you here with us
[04:50] <elkbuntu> no prob. i always wondered when he'd earn himself a place on the pariah table. i guess i know now ;)
[04:51]  * elkbuntu munches happily on smoked chicken
[04:52] <nikkiana> elkbuntu, mmmm! yummy!
[04:53] <Arc_> we have pizza and maple liquoir and absenth
[04:53] <Arc_> and poor spelling
[04:53] <nalioth> and snow
[04:53] <nikkiana> nalioth, not this time of year, i hope!
[04:53] <Arc_> down under its winter :-)
[04:54] <elkbuntu> i cant seem to find a deli that sells it in single quantities, so i end up having to buy packs of two breasts, which dramatically increases my meat intake for a bit
[04:55] <nikkiana> elkbuntu, my meat intake has gone down since Arc started hanging around. He's vegan. ;)
[04:55] <Arc_> hey I made non-vegan pizza tonight
[04:56] <nalioth> i like deep fried tofu, but the prep is a pita
[04:56] <elkbuntu> nikkiana, my meat intake dropped dramatically after i moved out (finally) from my parent's place. dad is a meat&veg type person. i'll happily munch on vegies&pasta with sauce, or marinated tofu
[04:57] <elkbuntu> my favourite work lunch is coconut chicken from a thai place near work, since they do the deep-fried tofu thing which is damn good with the coconut sauce
[04:58] <elkbuntu> Arc_, the president of Linux Australia is vegan too, in case you care ;)
[04:59] <nalioth> deep fried tofu needs the good prep ( it tastes like crap with tofu right out of the vat or box )
[04:59] <elkbuntu> nalioth, recipe kthx
[05:00] <nalioth> start with extra firm tofu
[05:00] <nalioth> drain it
[05:00]  * nalioth thinks this would be a pastebin thing . . 
[05:00] <elkbuntu> yup
[05:01] <nalioth> wrap it in a cotton dish towel, and stick it in a tupperware bowl
[05:01] <nalioth> freeze overnight
[05:01] <Arc_> I live in the free state, I'm happy here :-)
[05:01] <nalioth> next morning, gently squeeze all the water out
[05:01] <nalioth> repeat 4 or 5 times
[05:02] <nalioth> at which point you have a chunk of raw soybean scum ( with very little water )
[05:03] <elkbuntu> tofu usage has not really taken off in australia like it has in the US. i still cant convince my parents to try it
[05:05] <nalioth> elkbuntu: i once was a [       ] for a family ( made meals, cleaned, etc ) and i made a 'meat and taters' meal ( all the menfolks would eat ) out of tofu and taters.  they never realized what they were eating, and thought it was the bestest thing . .
[05:05] <elkbuntu> heh
[05:05] <nalioth> tofu is great
[05:06] <nalioth> i love cooking with it, in its many forms
[05:06] <elkbuntu> im learning to appreciate it
[05:08] <nalioth> it comes dried, so you can use it in place of noodles
[05:08] <nalioth> TVP is a tofu-based meat analogue
[05:09] <elkbuntu> not here it doesnt. we only get it in the fridge section in a few marinated flavours and small tubs of various textures
[05:09] <elkbuntu> i'd probably have to go to an asian grocery and try read thai to figure what i was getting
[05:09] <nalioth> visit your asian supermarkets ( you know, the ones that stink really really bad )
[07:12] <popey> Arc_: all happy?
[07:12]  * popey just woke
[07:17] <coolbhavi> popey, good morning :)
[07:17] <elkbuntu> popey, except that -pk has a bot ring going, sureh
[07:18] <popey> erk
[07:18]  * popey was specifically wondering about -us-nh :)
[07:23] <elkbuntu> popey, that's sorted, yes. meanwhile trying to get through to the -pk crew that just because they think a heap of bots responding to !blah style triggers is helpful... doesnt mean it is
[07:28] <popey> :S
[08:25] <SuLphEr> elkbuntu, btw, do u own all ubuntu related domain also?
[08:26] <Hobbsee> SuLphEr: it must follow http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[08:26] <Hobbsee> canonical has the trademark, and can prosecute those violating it, if they wish.
[08:27] <SuLphEr> can i buy ubuntu-lover.net domain, do u thnk?
[08:27] <Hobbsee> did you read the URL?  no.
[08:28] <elkbuntu> you can buy it, but canonical can tell you to stop using it at any time they want
[08:28]  * Hobbsee also notes that if you do, you are violating the agreement with whoever sold you the URL, too.
[08:29] <pk> Hobbsee : every channel name starts with ubuntu is the property of ubuntu or freenode ? and every channel name starts with ubuntu that exsists is ubutu official , RIGHT ?
[08:30] <Hobbsee> pk: it's the property of the group contact, by freenode rules.  The group contact is the irc council, who are ubuntu people.  And every channel that starts with #*ubuntu*, is official.
[08:30] <SuLphEr> bye
[08:30] <elkbuntu> every channel name that starts with #ubuntu is goverened by the ubuntu irc council. canonical owns the name Ubuntu in the context of the operating system, so can at any time it wants, stop a use of the name.
[08:32] <pk> then these #*ubuntu* channel names are reserved/restricted and not publically available , RIGHT sir ?
[08:32] <elkbuntu> pretty much.
[08:32] <SuLphEr> anyway, thanks enough. I am not with this ubuntu shit anymore
[08:32] <SuLphEr> sorry, not ubuntu
[08:33] <SuLphEr> connnnonical shit
[08:33] <elkbuntu> SuLphEr, then please leave
[08:33] <SuLphEr> bye
[08:33] <pk> SulPher : dont get disheart , its time to learn ,
[08:33] <SuLphEr> elkbuntu, ofcourse, im leaving
[08:33] <SuLphEr> pk, dont u know wat happend on france?
[08:34] <SuLphEr> how connonical behave wd france team who spread ubunru all over da france?
[08:34] <SuLphEr> anyway, bye
[08:35] <pk> nope sulpher , i just know what happened in pakistan , the ubuntu-pk.org (officially web) is closed since more then a year , the help channel #ubuntu-pk is not active , there is no evluation purpose for team leaders , only these rules and TOS are apply on peoples who have less knowledge
[08:36] <Hobbsee> pk: even if i registered #ubuntu-random, and did random, non-ubuntu stuff with it, it'd get shut down.
[08:36] <Hobbsee> no matter how worthwhile i thought it might be.
[08:37] <pk> i agree you sir
[10:00] <pk> Can anyone tell me how to become an ubuntu member ?
[10:01] <elkbuntu> !member
[10:01] <pk> thank you elkubuntu
[10:08] <pk> IF one is fullfilling the requirement and get fits into the criteria for newmember , then what will be the next step ?
[10:10] <elkbuntu> presenting oneself to any regional membership board that fits their schedule
[10:12] <pk> Is regional membership board exsists on freenode also ?
[10:12] <Myrtti> Or motu if thats more appropriate
[10:12] <Myrtti> Yes
[10:12] <pk> motu = #motu right ?
[10:13] <Myrtti> No
[10:14] <Myrtti> Ugh
[10:14] <Myrtti> Irc on mobile phone is nice but burdensome sometimes...
[10:17] <elkbuntu> pk, no #ubuntu-motu
[10:17] <pk> ok
[10:57] <[NikO]> PriceChild, for *ubuntu/members* testimonials for uBOTu-fr, there is not a lot of cloaked users on #ubuntu-fr
[16:51] <_r1_> hi here
[16:52] <juliux> hi
[17:01] <PriceChild> _r1_: has had a chat with me in PM wrt ubotu-fr cloak.
[17:01] <_r1_> [NikO]: ping
[17:08] <[NikO]> hi there
[17:08] <[NikO]> _r1_, pong
[17:08] <[NikO]> PriceChild, so :) ?
[17:15] <PriceChild> [NikO]: Good work on all the people. I'm the only irc council person awake atm I believe, but will get back to you asap.
[17:15] <[NikO]> ok thanks
[20:28] <NullHead> may I ask a question regarding the IRC server that #ubuntu runs on?
[20:29] <PriceChild> freenode?
[20:29] <PriceChild> and its a network
[20:29] <NullHead> well sure, freenode
[20:30] <NullHead> does anybody here know a guide I can follow to get dancer-services working?
[20:30] <NullHead> I'm attempting my own IRC server
[20:30] <NullHead> I suppose I should go to a freenode channel for this question ...
[20:31] <PriceChild> I'm not sure where the dancer support channel is, but I don't think its on this network.
[20:31] <jpds> NullHead: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IrcServer
[20:32] <PriceChild> NullHead: There is a guide on the wiki though?
[20:32] <PriceChild> ah that's probably it
[20:32] <NullHead> where is this wiki? I seem to fail at finding the proper offical website
[20:33] <jpds> NullHead: I just gave you the link.
[20:33] <NullHead> I'm trying to use dancer-ircd, btw
[20:33] <NullHead> oh I see it
[20:33] <PriceChild> NullHead: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dancer-IRCD
[20:34] <NullHead> PriceChild: Thanks, but I folowed it word for word and it doesn't seem to work
[20:34] <NullHead> the server is a Debain etch one if that matters ..
[20:34] <NullHead> look see http://wopr.ath.cx/phpsysinfo
[20:34] <NullHead> but this should work on Debain as well?
[22:04] <PriceChild> [NikO]: the cloak has been enabled
[22:04] <PriceChild> NullHead: if its not even on ubuntu then i'm not sure what to do sorry.
[22:04] <[NikO]> \o/ great :)
[22:04] <[NikO]> thanks a lot