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ompaulsomething in pm perhaps00:15
jussi01we really ought to write a getdeb factoid, dont you think jpds?00:31
Hobbseejussi01: i'm sure that would go down well...01:10
naliothubot3 is currently uploading to a remote host that should be functional.  of course, it's only uploading at my current crap speed, but it will be back up within a couple hours, i hope.01:21
naliothexcellent.03:37
naliothonly took 3 hours to upload 100mb03:37
elkbuntuheh03:42
naliothUbuntwo: can we help you?05:18
elkbuntuhow many loco channels can you spot it in?05:37
FlannelSpot what?05:39
Flanneloh, 305:39
Flannelah, lovely.  that biteme person from yesterday is back08:12
FlannelHobbsee: Nothing yet08:13
FlannelJust... got my finger on the trigger08:13
Hobbsee:)08:13
Flannelit's holycow, he was mentioning seeing ubuntu used somewhere, told him to take it to -offtopic, he said "dont remember asking for your permission" and then ignores me right before I get the chance to tell him to keep it on topic, so... I guess I don't need to warn anymore :)08:15
Hobbseehim again?  sigh08:15
elkbuntuholycow is the one who used to be s/biteme/$something_much_ruder/08:16
FlannelI know he was forwarded here yesterday... I think it was for k-kde408:16
Flannelhis username is still biteme08:16
Flannelwhich is the only reason I recognize him08:16
FlannelHah.  He's actually still in this channel.08:17
elkbuntuhe is, yes08:18
Flannelthat'd be the forward from -kde408:18
* Myrtti yawns09:15
gnomefreakdamn even over internet someone yawns i yawn09:16
* gnomefreak really needs to find system beep setting09:19
Flannelum....09:21
MyrttiThinking the same, Flannel?09:21
MyrttiI bet you are09:22
Flannelre: what?09:22
MyrttiHolycow and others...09:22
FlannelWell, holycow... sure, but not what the umm was for.09:22
MyrttiOh.09:22
MyrttiMy fail.09:23
Seeker`!09:24
Seeker`Myrtti failed! surely thats one of the signs on the apocalypse09:25
FlannelSomeone can dist-upgrade and it wants to install new packages, but a regular upgrade doesn't want to hold something back...09:25
Flannelit makes ... no sense.09:25
MyrttiHere is a ... Wookie.09:27
MyrttiIt lives in Kashyyk, flys with a spaceship...09:28
gnomefreakFlannel: depends what you mean by dist-upgrade09:29
Flannelgnomefreak: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade09:29
MyrttiIs a friend with ewoks...09:29
Flannelgnomefreak: http://pastebin.com/m73f0f2b and http://pastebin.com/m30cce33c09:29
gnomefreakFlannel: from like 8.04>8.10?09:29
MyrttiIt MAKES NO SENSE!09:29
gnomefreakdist-upgrade should only install new packages if the deps were changed on a package09:30
Flannelgnomefreak: no... regular updates.09:30
Flannelgnomefreak: right.09:30
MyrttiSorry. Star Wars fandom clashed with South Park.09:30
FlannelBut, that also means regular upgrade should hold a package back09:30
Flannelgnomefreak: Only thing I can think of is that its now installing (during dist-upgrade) recommends/suggests/whatever by default, or something.09:31
gnomefreakFlannel: in 8.10 it does09:32
Flannelgnomefreak: Right, but this isn't in intrepid09:32
gnomefreakapt installs suggestions by default09:32
gnomefreakFlannel: what version of apt do you have?09:33
Flannelgnomefreak: this isn't me.09:33
gnomefreakFlannel: it could have been pushed to 8.04 through updates or proposed09:33
gnomefreak!info apt hardy09:34
ubottuapt (source: apt): Advanced front-end for dpkg. In component main, is important. Version 0.7.9ubuntu17 (hardy), package size 1610 kB, installed size 5200 kB09:34
gnomefreakyep it ha been09:34
gnomefreak/s/ha/has09:35
FlannelSo, Is there an easy way to turn that off?09:35
gnomefreakFlannel: no09:36
Flannelgnomefreak: So... All hardy users are now using sun java then, once they update?09:36
gnomefreakFlannel: depends on what repo its in09:36
Flannelits in multiverse, which is enabled by default09:36
* Flannel is amazed at how stupid this distro can be.09:37
gnomefreakFlannel: we have used sun-java for a while09:37
Flannelgnomefreak: not by default09:37
gnomefreakno you have to install it or install the freeversion from repos09:37
Flannelgnomefreak: right... now you're getting it by default09:37
Flanneldist-upgrade installs sun-jav09:37
Flannela09:37
gnomefreakits icetea but it installs java6+extra09:38
gnomefreakFlannel: than he had that package to start wiht09:38
gnomefreakwith09:38
Flannelgnomefreak: Take a look at the first of those two pastes.09:38
Flannelgnomefreak: no, he doesnt, "new packages"09:38
Flannelalso: http://pastebin.com/m7104918d09:38
Flannelgnomefreak: No, that was my first inkling as well, which is why he's pasted all these things for me.09:39
gnomefreakFlannel: ubuntu-restriced-extras09:40
FlannelIt depends on it?09:40
gnomefreakFlannel: http://pastebin.com/m2a4443ee09:40
gnomefreakFlannel: yes09:40
Flannelgnomefreak: then how is it installed, without java installed?09:41
Flannelgnomefreak: and how is it upgraded in the latter, and not held back?09:41
gnomefreakFlannel: he might have had it installed and the deps could have changed09:41
gnomefreakFlannel: what are you expecting to be held back?09:41
Flannel-restricted-extras09:41
Flannelbecause its depends aren't satisfied09:41
gnomefreakFlannel: why would it be?09:41
Flannelbecause its an upgrade09:42
Flannelso, no new packages.09:42
gnomefreakFlannel: could have been set that way in apt09:42
gnomefreakits been done before09:42
FlannelSet what way?09:42
gnomefreakFlannel: if the package was backported or updated to 8.1009:43
gnomefreak8.10's version09:43
Flannelright... but installing that would install sun-java6-09:43
gnomefreak!info ubuntu-restricted-extras09:43
ubottuubuntu-restricted-extras (source: ubuntu-restricted-extras): Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 15.2 (hardy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB09:43
gnomefreakFlannel: not if it was set that dist* only installs it. sort of like kernels can be upgraded only by dist*09:44
Flannelgnomefreak: that has to do with bringing in new packages.09:44
Flannelinstalling it should bring in all the depends... or else we've got a major issue with apt09:45
gnomefreakFlannel: depens on packages are not always used in upgrade09:45
gnomefreakFlannel: no it shouldnt.09:45
gnomefreakFlannel: upgrading a kernel has to be used as dist*09:45
Flannelgnomefreak: so... you're saying installing something won't bring in its depends?09:46
gnomefreakFlannel: im saying that mvo could have set it to install new packages using dist not upgrade09:46
FlannelThat sentence doesn't make any sense.09:46
Flannelor at least, to me.09:47
gnomefreakFlannel: its rare that upgrade installs new packages if it does at all09:47
FlannelNo, I realise that it wont09:47
Flannelupgrade shouldn't ever.09:47
gnomefreakFlannel: and its not09:47
Flannelbut then it should also hold back a package that requires a new package to be installed09:47
Flannelhold back a new version, that is.09:47
Flannelbut it's not.  It's installing the new version without complaining09:47
gnomefreakFlannel: not really, mvo would have to set it to be seen09:47
FlannelEh?09:48
FlannelSo, you're telling me it's possible to have a package installed that doesn't have all its deps satisifed?09:48
gnomefreakFlannel: apt doesnt always show you everything. hence the issues we get (trying to think of an example atm)09:49
gnomefreakah yes normally upgrade doesnt hold packages back since they are NEW09:49
FlannelWhat are new?09:49
gnomefreakNEW  doesnt get held back if its not installed09:49
Flannelas in, new packages just added to the repo?09:50
gnomefreaksun-java6-plugin would be NEW09:50
Flannelnew in what sense?09:50
gnomefreakFlannel: NEW  as in sun-java6-plugin is new since it wasnt installed in first place09:50
* elkbuntu holds Myrtti's hand09:50
Flannelgnomefreak: Ok, now you're contradicting yourself.09:51
gnomefreakFlannel: mvo could have set it to only use dist to install it but i would have to check with him09:51
gnomefreakf;no im not09:51
gnomefreakFlannel: no im not09:51
Flannelupgrade won't install new packages.  dist-upgrade will.  Correct?09:51
gnomefreakFlannel: yes alot of times09:51
gnomefreakexample have you ever upgraded from 6.06>6.10?09:52
Flannelgnomefreak: now, how does u-r-e get upgraded, with an "upgrade" without satisfying its depends?09:52
elkbuntuisnt there #ubuntu-bugs or something for bugs talk? :Þ09:52
Flannelgnomefreak: no, but I'll be migrating to dapper to hardy soon enough.09:52
Flanneler, from dapper09:52
gnomefreakFlannel: ok have you ever upgraded versions of ubuntu before09:52
FlannelI have.09:52
FlannelBreezy to dapper.09:53
gnomefreakFlannel: when you use dist-* it installs new packages right?09:53
FlannelI know that.09:53
gnomefreakFlannel: upgrade doesnt09:53
Flannelgnomefreak: I *know*09:53
Flannelsigh.09:53
Flannelyou're not udnerstanding a word I'm saying.09:53
elkbuntuguys, elsewhere please09:54
gnomefreakFlannel: what is it you dont get? the not showing held back packages?09:54
Flannelgnomefreak: name a channel09:54
elkbuntu#ubuntu-bugs :Þ09:54
gnomefreakFlannel: ubuntu-offtopic?09:54
gnomefreakelkbuntu: its not a bug09:54
elkbuntuit's certainly not an op issue09:54
gnomefreakelkbuntu: agreed09:54
elkbuntuand we have a freak or three in -ot waiting to cause trouble09:55
elkbuntuphp6th is walking the line in #ubuntu10:07
Flannelhe really likes "pansy"10:14
elkbuntualso, mc44 says the crazy dude in -ops is mr farmer10:15
Flannel-offtopic you mean?10:16
FlannelPatch?10:16
Flannelor ZAX?10:16
MyrttiRyan?10:16
elkbuntuordos10:16
MyrttiO?10:16
elkbuntuMyrtti, who is zax again?10:16
FlannelThats correct.  Ordos is.10:17
MyrttiOs ip is familiar.10:17
MyrttiSo.10:17
FlannelHis IP is identical10:18
MyrttiElk asustek10:18
elkbuntuMyrtti, yes, but wasnt it part of a larger group of morons?10:18
elkbuntuim probably confusing the moron families at the moment10:18
MyrttiHold on...10:18
FlannelASus is the one who asks prying questions that I talked to.  right?10:19
* Flannel wishes people would stop switching nicks so often.10:19
elkbuntuFlannel, did we not ban mr farmer?10:21
FlannelZax and Asus are the same, and they are the previously advertised.10:22
Flannelelkbuntu: I believe we have.  Let me make sure theyre current.10:22
elkbuntuif so, ban evasion procedures are to be applied10:22
elkbuntubefore mc44 trolls the troll and we get a vorte10:23
Flannelelkbuntu: You keep banning him by nick10:23
elkbuntuvortex10:23
elkbuntuFlannel, i dont ban by nick10:23
Flannelelkbuntu: right, Hobbsee does10:23
elkbuntuHobbsee, bad!10:23
Flanneler, Myrtti.10:23
elkbuntuFlannel, still, he's evading nonetheless10:23
elkbuntuban by ip and be done with it10:23
* Flannel wishes bans vs kicks would be more visible in bt10:23
elkbuntui doubt he'll find sympathy10:23
Flannelhis IP does change.10:23
Flannelbanning his whole subnet is liable for collat. damage10:24
Flanneler. host...y... thingie10:24
* Flannel is so eloquent tonight.10:24
elkbuntusec,i'll evaluate10:28
Flannelactually...10:28
Flannelompaul removed the IP ban earlier today in his cleaning10:28
Flanneland, jdd (a good guy) is also on hsd1.in.comcast.net10:29
* elkbuntu kills ompaul10:29
Flannelso, I say try another IP ban, and scold ompaul10:29
Flannelthat is at 8:42, so... 18 hours ago10:29
MyrttiFlannel: er?10:29
FlannelMyrtti: my time :P10:29
MyrttiFlannel: no I mean, er earlies10:29
MyrttiearlieR10:29
Myrtti12:23 +Flannel> er, Myrtti.10:30
elkbuntuactually, you could take out the third and fourth octets of the ip and still match only him10:30
FlannelMyrtti: you have a ban on %AlmightyCthulhu!*@*10:30
Flannelfrom -offtopic10:30
Flannelfrom august 11 :P10:30
elkbuntuditto second third and fourth10:31
MyrttiFlannel: I do?10:31
MyrttiFlannel: I don't think so10:31
FlannelMyrtti: bt thinks so10:31
Myrttioh.10:31
Flannelhow do... I search for ban number things10:31
Myrtti@btlogin10:31
elkbuntu /who c-68-*.hsd1.in.comcast.net10:32
MyrttiI almost feel like upgrading my laptop to Intrepid just to get network manager to understand mobile modems10:32
elkbuntuMyrtti, nm in ibex is hawt10:33
Seeker`elkbuntu: you don tknow who else will try to connect from that hostmask though10:33
Myrttioh, right, that *mute*10:33
elkbuntuSeeker`, given how his presence is making mc44 react, im willing to take that chance10:33
Myrttihe's not banned but muted with his nick10:33
FlannelMyrtti: I'd have to actually click the thing and look for that.10:33
Seeker`surely you just want the smallest ban that will catch them effectively10:33
elkbuntuonly two octets gone is  cleaner /who c-68-57-*.hsd1.in.comcast.net10:34
* Flannel ponders a ban forward to here, with a ban on his specific IP here.10:36
FlannelThen we're the only ones who have to deal with him temporarily when his IP changes10:36
elkbuntui dont particuarly feel like incuring his wrath that way10:36
elkbuntui get enough spam as it is10:36
ubottuunop called the ops in #ubuntu (Uplink , being profane)10:44
ubottuSlart called the ops in #ubuntu (tavi)10:56
MyrttiFujisan sighting at #fn11:15
gnomefreakthat would be freenode ops11:19
gnomefreakstaff even11:20
Flanneloooh, that reminds me I need to assimilate a nick11:21
elkbuntuhaha, he's trying to tor11:23
gnomefreakhe can use tor if he asks staff for a tor cloak11:24
elkbuntuompaul, you unbanned mr farmer! :(11:24
gnomefreakif he has fresh veggies im all for unbanning him11:25
elkbuntuhaha. you dont know who he is, do ya11:26
gnomefreaknope not a clue11:26
elkbuntudid you say, read mjg59's blog in the past week at all?11:26
gnomefreaknot i11:26
gnomefreakdo you have a link11:26
elkbuntuhttp://mjg59.livejournal.com/11:27
ompaulwas he by IP only?11:27
gnomefreakthanks11:27
ompauland were11:27
ompaulwhere11:27
ompaulot or11:27
ompaulgnomefreak, please11:27
MyrttiIs there a way to make redirs in Ubuntu blog?11:27
ompaulno11:27
ompaulthat idiot11:27
ompaulnow I know11:27
Myrttis/blog/wiki/11:27
ompaulhow the hell did I do that11:27
ompaulI did not do that intentionally11:27
* ompaul grumbles and points in the general direction of a debian box that is getting my attention 11:27
Flannelompaul: and pushing enter for you too, it seems :)11:27
ompaulmail1:/etc# uptime -- 11:27:30 up 6 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.07, 0.0511:27
ompaulnow you may understand why this box gets attention11:28
jpdsjussi01: "Don't use getdeb" -- or talk to the -motu guys about it.11:28
ompaulgateway / firewall / postfix proxy and stuff11:28
elkbuntuompaul, because it's easy to assume comcast addresses are as dynamic as underwear11:28
gnomefreakholy crap11:28
elkbuntugnomefreak, yeah. he's... sick.11:29
gnomefreakhe can be stopped fairly easy IMHO11:30
ompaulelkbuntu, ack11:30
ompaulelkbuntu, have they been reinstated?11:30
elkbuntucalling comcast? i've no doubts matthew's already done that11:30
ompaulas in the bans11:30
elkbuntuompaul, not yet. he's still in -ot11:31
ompaulfor about 10 seconds11:31
elkbuntuordos be the nick11:31
Myrttithis is ompaul: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/15/funny-pictures-i-haz-a-ponder/11:31
ompaulcall m e cruel11:32
* Flannel wonders if ompaul is an actor in a B movie.11:32
elkbuntuhttp://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-cat-has-found-a-three-letter-word-for-happiness.jpg is Myrtti11:33
ompaulFlannel, no, more like a d movie11:33
ompaulMyrtti, hehe11:33
elkbuntuFlannel, ompaul cant keep a straight face for half a second unless he's genuinely mad11:33
ompaulelkbuntu, more hehe11:33
ompaulelkbuntu, you want to see the most evil ban reason every?11:35
ompaulwatch ot11:35
elkbuntunice touch11:36
Flannelelkbuntu: I'm trying to figure out what m*res is.11:36
elkbuntusame11:36
FlannelAlmost could be militaries11:37
gnomefreakis today a bank holiday in england or any surronding countries?11:43
FlannelIts a sunday!11:43
ompaulgnomefreak, today is sunday11:43
gnomefreakoh damn11:43
ompaulso yes11:43
ompaulby default!11:43
ompaul;-)11:43
* gnomefreak slaps self11:43
gnomefreaki thought it was monday11:43
ompaulgnomefreak, last monday in August in UK first one in .ie11:44
gnomefreakwell this means i get the day off ;)11:44
Flannelgnomefreak: indeed.11:44
Flannelgnomefreak: its a pity you're already at work though.11:44
gnomefreakim here building extensions so i guess when this oneis built i can enjoy the cloudy, rainy day11:45
Myrttihm.11:48
Myrttihttp://bergie.iki.fi/blog/why_finland_is_different.html11:48
Hobbseeelkbuntu: i don't ban by nick either.12:43
Hobbseeelkbuntu: i banned by hostmask.12:43
HobbseeFlannel: please don't tell lies :)12:43
* Hobbsee only got the guy in #ubuntu and -bugs anyway12:45
* gnomefreak really hates typing one handed (hunt and peck) takes too long12:45
* Hobbsee eyes -offtopic12:46
* Hobbsee is fairly sure that impersonating people is against the guidelines.12:47
Hobbseemethinks it could equally apply to things.12:47
Myrttiwho is impersonating who?12:49
ompaultrolls impersonating users?12:49
gnomefreakim guessing "ubuntu" is impersonating someone12:49
gnomefreakatleast that is what i thought Hobbsee meant12:50
Hobbseegnomefreak: yeah.12:50
* gnomefreak wondering why everyone is so willing to give out thier ip addresses12:50
Hobbseegnomefreak: well, mine's pretty obvious.  *shrug*12:50
PriceChildThings ok?12:52
PriceChildompaul: elkbuntu: was baron/cthulhu/ML-signer-uper rebanned?12:53
HobbseePriceChild: hope so.  although he's mighty abusive, after being banned.12:53
Myrttiother than I still want to lart { ZAXSES, ASUS-tek, MSI } so hard he flies to moon?12:53
PriceChildMyrtti: is he around atm?12:53
PriceChildI never seem to be around the same time.12:54
jpdsPriceChild: He came on as Onkar, or something.12:54
PriceChildjpds: thanks12:54
jpdswhois . Ordos [n=Vladimir@c-68-57-223-4.hsd1.in.comcast.net] [network]12:54
ompaulPriceChild, I did12:54
PriceChildompaul: cool12:54
ompaulPriceChild, first a ban then12:55
ompaul* Ordos (n=Vladimir@c-68-57-223-4.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has left #ubuntu-offtopic (requested by ompaul: "07-08-2008 03:25:56 -!- AlmightyCthulhu!n=Almighty@c-68-57-223-4.hsd1.in.comcast.net has joined #ubuntu-kernel")12:55
ompaulsubtle like a brick12:55
PriceChildI have to run off for lunch.12:55
Hobbseeahem.12:55
Hobbsee[21:55] [Whois] Ordos is an operator on channels: #fuckubuntu12:55
PriceChildDon't join.12:55
ompaulkline him please12:56
* PriceChild sighs12:56
* Hobbsee waits for the next barrage of abuse.12:56
ompaulown the channel divert it to here12:56
* ompaul just thinks that might help him12:56
Hobbseeompaul: it won't.12:56
Hobbseejust kline the idiot and be done.12:56
PriceChildI'm really runnin goff this time, please don't join, I'm sure it'll be ok to deal with it when I return, but any problems just shout in #freenode12:57
* Hobbsee wonders why s0u][ight is so interested13:00
Myrtti...13:11
Myrttiwhy  are  people  sometimes  so      DENSE13:11
Myrttiagain the universe is not bending to my will where people live up to my expectations13:11
* Hobbsee turns gnomefreak's crackmeter down.13:20
* Hobbsee sighs at ops giving crackful information out.13:24
* Myrtti sighs back13:25
PriceChildHmm ordos tried to rickroll me.13:30
ompaulthat has to be klineable13:30
* jpds added his ip to hilights.13:31
PriceChildompaul: rofl13:31
PriceChildHe was giving me his channel's CoC and informing me I was in violation of it.13:31
MyrttiLOOOLLLL13:31
ompaulPriceChild, great13:32
HobbseePriceChild: you were surprised, based on what he said to me yesterday (assuming you read it)?13:32
ompaulPriceChild, does he realise how beyond the edge beyond the ledge he is yet13:32
* ompaul doubts it13:32
Hobbseeyay for a hostname.  [22:34] [Whois] dupondje is n=dupondje@i.want.teen-sex.net (dupondje)13:34
Myrttinnngghh13:34
* Myrtti sighs13:36
Myrttinote to self: frying pan is hot13:38
Hobbseeman, i hate having to boot ops who don't listen.13:41
gnomefreakHobbsee: wth, so i cant have an opinon?13:43
Hobbseegnomefreak: you can only have an opinion if you are NOT ON CRACK.13:43
HobbseeIf you are demonstrably wrong, and don't listen, then NO, YOU MAY NOT CONTINUE.13:43
Hobbseewhat part of this do you fail to understand?13:43
* Myrtti runs and hides13:43
gnomefreakHobbsee: it doesnt matter if i have opinon just as you have your own13:44
Hobbseegnomefreak: yes, but unfortunately for you, mine and amaranth's are right (and we've also made packages that do this before), and yours are not.13:44
Hobbseeif you want to broadcast your incorrect opinions, you may do so - to a brick wall.13:45
gnomefreakHobbsee: its still an opinon13:45
Hobbseeyou are not permitted to damage the ubuntu name by spreading your incorrect opinions, in ubuntu channels, and preferably not outside of it.13:45
Hobbseeunderstood?13:45
wgrantAm I allowed to profess the virtues of Ultamatix in #ubuntu?13:45
PriceChildWhat's going on here?13:45
Hobbseeno13:45
wgrantPriceChild: Some general unpleasantness, I guess.13:46
gnomefreakthat would fall under !worksforme13:46
PriceChildwhere?13:46
HobbseePriceChild: gnomefreak's not listening to two developers telling him that he's wrong, and keeps proclaiming that he's right regardless, with proof to the contrary.13:46
jpdsPriceChild: See: #ubuntu+113:46
Hobbseeand with sufficient explanation, yet he keeps coming up with the same things over and over.13:46
Hobbseelast i knew, ops have to follow the conventions of the channel, like users, in areas such as giving correct information.13:47
gnomefreakmaybe i missed the proof, i only saw you and amarth tell me it happens13:47
Hobbseei told you.  firefox.  kernels.13:47
Hobbseeif you'd stopped being so eager to tell us your opinion again, and actually read, you'd have known that.13:47
gnomefreakfirefox hasnt had that in a long time13:48
gnomefreakand yes i can prove that sine im running prebuilt ff along with 3.0.1 4.013:48
gnomefreak3.1 as well13:48
Hobbseesorry, mozilla-firefox.13:48
gnomefreakits not a package13:48
wgrantThere are numerous examples.13:48
Hobbseeit was.13:48
PriceChildHobbsee: remove the ban and stand down please.13:49
gnomefreakit was yes now its a virtual package13:49
HobbseePriceChild: why?13:49
PriceChildHobbsee: arguing is fine, banning because of it is not.13:49
HobbseePriceChild: because he's an op?13:49
PriceChildHobbsee: if you're directly involved in this, its not good for you to start using access. If you think it is needed, get a 3rd party to mediate.13:49
PriceChildHobbsee: In an ideal world, even if he's not an op.13:50
* Hobbsee wonders why there are bans from here, then.13:50
Hobbseethose people argue, and you boot them.13:50
Hobbseewhy is this any different?13:50
PriceChildI've no problem with you continuing discussion if you both think it worth it. Doesn't have to be in +1, but I do not like you using access to finish this argument.13:50
wgrantI feel that both sides need to cool down and rethink things a bit.13:51
HobbseePriceChild: i used it as a last resort.  I gave many warnigns.13:51
wgrantThe ban would have worked had it not just come into here :(13:51
wgrantAnd ample warning was given.13:51
PriceChildHobbsee: warnings should not be needed.13:51
MezHobbsee, you know the solution to that ... /msg with your response in the argument ... that takes the argument out of the channel and into Private13:51
HobbseePriceChild: because people shouldn't bitch when they're wrong, yes.13:52
Hobbseehowever, they do.13:52
PriceChild#fuckubuntu has been unregistered.13:52
elkbuntuHobbsee, i dont care who is right and who is wrong, it's not an ops issue and should not be discussed in the ops channel13:52
elkbuntuPriceChild, excellent. who did that one?13:52
PriceChildWho is jollygiant?13:53
PriceChildelkbuntu: ordos13:53
jpdsPriceChild: Amarath.13:53
gnomefreakamarth i think13:53
HobbseePriceChild: i thought you'd actually read the logs.13:53
gnomefreakdamn i keep forgetting that a13:53
PriceChildaha13:53
elkbuntuPriceChild, classic13:53
gnomefreakelkbuntu: i brought it in here due to the ban13:53
PriceChildI'd noticed him joining another channel or two and thought it was odd, noticed travis, but wasn't identified so ignored it.13:53
jpdsPriceChild: /whois Ordos: channels : @##ubuntu-scientology13:53
wgrant...13:54
HobbseePriceChild: it was mentioned, in the logs.13:54
elkbuntujpds, i think that... explains everything13:54
PriceChildjpds: i'll deal with it later13:54
gnomefreakjpds: i saw a different channel i guess he left and joined a different channel13:54
Hobbseewgrant: agreed, but i don't see why he should be allowed to be in there to start up again.13:54
Hobbseewgrant: he should have to cool off too, which includes not discussing in there.13:55
gnomefreakHobbsee: and im not13:55
elkbuntuPriceChild, i gather his status as a harasser and spammer will make dealing easier13:55
PriceChildelkbuntu: I'm currently more concerned with the situation13:55
gnomefreakhe can always re-register the nick or a nick13:56
PriceChildhere13:56
ompaulPriceChild, I am aware that you are involved with forums therefore would it be easier if we were to look to other staff to have him on the ktrain?13:56
gnomefreaki would say he deserves a kline but there are ways past that13:57
PriceChildompaul: I haven't been involved with him there.13:57
ompaulgnomefreak, he does not seem to be that clever13:57
* gnomefreak doesnt really know him or seen him say much of anything13:57
PriceChildHobbsee: remove the ban and stand down please.13:57
ompaulPriceChild, true but he picked on you here as being there in the url that made it to mjgs blog13:57
PriceChildgnomefreak: will stay out for the time being.13:57
PriceChildompaul: pardon?13:58
HobbseePriceChild: OK.  however, if he doesn't, i will reinstate.13:58
gnomefreakops can unban selves btw13:58
* gnomefreak doesnt really care to13:58
elkbuntugnomefreak, Hobbsee, i suggest talking to dholbach and/or jcastro for mediation if you wish for this to continue13:59
gnomefreakelkbuntu: it has been stopped14:00
elkbuntugood14:00
* Hobbsee wishes that all people, including ops, were forbidden from spouting incorrect information in support channels. That is all!14:00
gnomefreakHobbsee: i agree if it wsa stated as fact not opinon14:00
gnomefreakwas14:00
elkbuntuENOUGH14:01
PriceChildompaul: not needed.14:01
gnomefreakelkbuntu: i was agreeing with her14:01
ompauljust drop it please14:01
ompaulPriceChild, I just want attention ;-)14:01
ompaulnow that we have that out of the way - please go back to whatever you were doing before14:02
ompaulNICELY!14:02
PriceChildI am really not happy with ops kickbanning other ops. There is no way I can expect you to be nice to users in normal channels if you can't resolve an argument with "one of the good guys" who are on the same team.14:06
* Hobbsee cites her last statement above, although understands where PriceChild is coming from.14:07
HobbseeUnfortunately, this is a case of picking the less worse of the evils, no?14:07
PriceChildHobbsee: how do you mean?14:07
HobbseePriceChild: i can understand the idea that ops should not use their access against other ops.  However, my understanding is that spouting incorrect information, and opinions, for lengthy periods, evne when shown to be wrong, and t hat being allowed to continue indefinetly, is worse.14:08
HobbseeThus, it's the less worst evil.14:08
PriceChildHobbsee: I believe that as an op, you should be able to be nice enough to resolve problems like that without access in the best situations.14:09
elkbuntuthe less worse evil would be both of you having the maturity to take it out of a public channel. that's BOTH of you14:09
PriceChildAnd this is a best situation, as its 'against' a 'good' person.14:09
PriceChildI have to run again. Lets have less flexing of ops and I'll see where we are when we get back.14:10
PriceChildHmm has myrtti left? I was going to call for hugs.14:10
Hobbseeyes, she did.14:10
HobbseePriceChild: i wish that worked.  it works, in the perfect world.14:10
Hobbseeanyway, 'ive got a tute to write, seeing as there are no other people talking rubbish.14:11
Hobbseeso, cya.14:11
* elkbuntu hugs PriceChild before he bursts into tears14:11
* elkbuntu checks in on myrtti14:12
elkbuntushe's ok, she just doesnt need the stress of opwars14:15
Mezyeah - I don't blame here to be fair14:15
Mezelkbuntu, what about kickbanning yourself?14:15
Mezwow, am laggint today14:16
elkbuntuheh14:16
Mez/kill Mez "Cause suicide is painless"14:17
* elkbuntu kills mez for bad quotes14:17
Mezbad quotes?14:17
Mezmy quotes are well behaved...14:17
* Hobbsee notes that killing is probably against the code of conduct.14:18
MezHobbsee, ?@14:18
NafalloHobbsee: even yourself? after checked that your work is publically available in advance?14:18
HobbseeNafallo: i meant for elkbuntu's comment.  But i'm not sure about killing yourself off14:19
MezNafallo, depends on whether your method of suicide is graceful (step down gracefully)14:19
elkbuntuMez, step down off what?14:20
* elkbuntu ducks14:20
NafalloMez: :-)14:20
Mez(requested by elkbuntu: "baaad!") <-- sheep impression?14:20
elkbuntuno14:20
Mezright, I guess I should go up the shops14:21
Mezbbl... mayb14:21
Meze14:21
NafalloMez: let go off the busses!14:22
Nafallo:-)14:22
MezNafallo, *blinks*... huh?>14:23
Nafallonvm. really cheap joke.14:23
* Mez nods and smiles and pretends he knows what Nafallo was on about, sticks his hands in his pockets and walks away, whistling14:23
elkbuntuNafallo, the british only get british jokes.14:24
Nafallohehe14:24
ubottuwols_ called the ops in #ubuntu (please remove WeedRating)16:33
* Myrtti looks around16:54
PriceChildJollyGiant: Hey, can we help you?16:56
* Mez hugs Myrtti 16:57
Meztis ok, you're safe now16:57
* Myrtti stays behind Mez for safety16:58
bazhangthought JollyGiant was amaranth16:59
PriceChildbazhang: amaranth is amaranth. ubuntu/member/amaranth is amaranth/16:59
PriceChildbazhang: jollygiant is not jollygiant17:00
MyrttiThat host rings a bell though17:01
PriceChildMyrtti: I wouldn't give someone a password reset to your nick if your hostname was myrtti.fi17:01
bazhangwhats with the sublimation guy in -ot17:02
bazhangis that icesword?17:02
JollyGiantPriceChild: the nick fits too, you've met me :P17:02
PriceChildJollyGiant: I don't believe I have17:02
JollyGiantyou were in seville, no?17:02
MyrttiPriceChild huh?17:02
PriceChildJollyGiant: I was in seville.17:03
PriceChildJollyGiant: is there anything we can help you with, operator/abuse questions wise?17:04
MyrttiYeah...17:13
* Myrtti sighs17:14
bazhangthe ratio of arrgh in ot has been off the scale the last few days17:14
PriceChildMyrtti: what's up?17:14
MyrttiBlood pressure rather high atm17:15
MyrttiThough I got kissed by a lovely  and hairy gentleman today17:25
ikoniabazhang: con-cur17:34
jpdsPriceChild: JollyGaint == Amarnath ?17:47
ikoniaI think so17:47
PriceChildjpds: see above17:52
jpdsOh well.17:52
ikoniaoooh,17:52
MyrttiWhy would Am be identified but not cloaked... Exactly17:53
ikoniaPriceChild: do you know him, (above) seems to suggest he knows you17:54
PriceChildikonia: it has been suggested it is amaranth, but i don't know.17:55
ikoniaseems odd as you/myrtti suggests17:55
ikoniaahh well, must fix noisy disk fans17:57
ikoniajpds: sorry about that18:14
jpdsikonia: I thought someone had taken over your client.18:15
ikoniano, I was trying to update my spreadsheet with new hostnames, and the window didn't highlight18:16
bazhanghaha18:16
ikoniagot curtis in a pm now, incase anyone else is looking18:18
mneptokPriceChild: was Amaranth@Sevilla?18:24
* Myrtti pokes mneptok18:25
* Mez sighs18:28
MezAnd this is why the Ubuntu en_GB translation team has an approval process..18:29
Mez(We send out an email to people, and generally approve if their email comes back in correct english) - this guy obviously didn't spell check, or read it through18:29
MyrttiI can haz access to translashun proshus?18:31
MyrttiPlz?18:31
MyrttiKthxbai18:31
MyrttiWe should translate Ubuntu to lolspeak18:32
Mezlolbuntu18:32
MyrttiCeiling cat would approve18:32
Mezyou're not the first person to say that18:32
MezCeiling cat?18:32
MyrttiThe one we pray in thanks of our daily noms and ask for forgiveness of our sin of kyuut and pandamonium18:34
MyrttiDogses pray to repent the sin of drinking from the loo18:35
MyrttiThen theres the basement cat. hes black.18:37
MyrttiBad kittehs dont go to heaven. They go to basement18:38
MyrttiDid that answer your question, Mez?18:39
PriceChildmneptok: yep18:39
MezMyrtti, you iz strange18:40
Mez:D18:40
MyrttiI bet mneptok prays for forgiving drinking from the loo too from the Ceiling Cat.18:40
MyrttiMez NEWSFLASH!18:41
MyrttiNot.18:41
Mez:D18:41
MyrttiCaptain Obvious to the rescue18:43
Mez:'(18:44
* Myrtti plans the translation18:44
MyrttiApplikas.. Applisha... Soffwaer18:45
MyrttiDevelup... Devile... New thingses18:47
* Mez cries a little inside18:50
Mezi cant bridge my wlan card18:50
MyrttiHERE COMES THE HORRIBLE... SCHNUU SCHNUU!18:50
MezMyrtti, can i have some of whatever you've been taking18:51
Mezo-o18:51
Mezweirdness...18:51
Mezshift key won't work...18:51
Mez;918:51
Meznor caps lock key18:51
Mezsomething strange is going on here18:51
MyrttiI wish I had pain killers18:54
MyrttiIm trying to cheer myself up since this week has been horrible18:55
* Myrtti hears a pin drop19:11
Dave2:(19:12
ikoniahow can I do a ban for n=curis@pool*19:22
ikoniais that the right format ?19:22
ikoniaI assume I can wildcard it like that19:23
MyrttiNick!ident@host19:23
ikoniaso I could do *!@pool-* ?19:24
ikoniais that a do-able format ?19:24
ikoniaoops19:24
MyrttiYou forgot ident19:24
ikonia*!curtis@pool-*19:24
ikoniaes, just corrected19:24
ikoniawould that be the correct syntax ?19:25
Myrttin=curtis@19:25
ikoniaahh19:25
ikoniathank you19:25
MyrttiCant leave n= off19:25
ikonia*!n=curtis@pool-* ?19:25
ikoniayes, I forgot about n19:26
ikoniajust want to be spot on as I don't want to stuff up #ubuntu19:26
ikoniaworked, great, thank you19:27
bazhangwonder how long zaapiel will get away with completely ignoring the CoC in -ot19:28
ikoniajust give him a nude19:29
ikoniasee if he responds to toning it down19:29
MyrttiNudge?19:30
ikoniayes, "hey, can you tone it down"19:30
ikoniaas in a quiet word19:30
* Myrtti points at what you said19:30
ikonia?19:30
ikoniaoops19:31
ikonianude19:31
ikoniasorry19:31
MyrttiKek19:31
bazhangno he does not.19:31
bazhanghe does the opposite in fact.19:33
ikoniawell Myrtti is awake and kicking19:33
bazhangthe only time he reforms is when he sees someone who has privileges there.19:34
bazhangthen it is back to the misogynist (and worse) comments19:34
MyrttiToo bad I dont have my misandrist  there days19:45
MyrttiThese, even19:45
MyrttiWould be "fun"19:52
Mezhmm... do we have any actual americans in here...19:52
bazhangas opposed to virtual?19:53
MyrttiFlannel pici nal...19:53
MyrttiJack s19:53
MyrttiPleia...19:54
MyrttiPlenty19:54
=== tomaw_ is now known as tomaw
FlannelWhat?20:50
* Myrtti pokes Mez20:51
Mezdoesnt matter now20:57
ikoniatritium: where did he come back in ?21:04
ikoniaahh I missed him21:04
tritiumok21:04
ikoniagood spot21:04
Flannelthat wasnt really ban evading...21:05
tritium:) I need to head out.  Have a good day!21:05
* jpds looks at Mez_ in #u21:05
Mezjpds?21:05
Mezah ... _21:06
tritiumWell, ok, I guess he was kicked the first time.21:06
ikoniayes, I removed him21:06
tritiumsorry, ikonia.  Want me to unban him?21:07
tritiumIf not, I'm setting /away shortly.21:08
ikoniatritium: not at all21:09
ikoniatritium: I hoped he wouldn't come back21:09
ikoniaeg: kick to discourage21:09
ikoniathen ban21:09
ikoniabut I didn't see him come back so "thanks"21:09
ikoniagood spot21:09
tritium:)21:10
Mezargh121:14
Meznone of my modifier keys work.. ;921:14
Mezagain21:14
Mezthough, alt does21:14
* Myrtti yawns21:57
* jpds suffers a headache.22:00
larson9999hello, ubuntu-read-topic says i should come here and ask to be tested.22:32
PriceChildI believe it says something before that *checks*22:33
PriceChildaha sorry22:33
PriceChildlarson9999: please try test me in the other channel again22:34
ompaulPriceChild, pm22:34
PriceChildsure22:34
Flannelinteresting22:36
FlannelAfter he gets back in #ubuntu, he starts causing trouble22:42
ompaulFlannel, that nick had me raising an eyebrow22:43
ompaulnot sure what22:43
ompaul@btlogin22:43
FlannelWhys that? oh familiarity22:43
ompaulFlannel, ;-)22:43
ompaulFlannel, ;-)22:48
ompaul@btlogin22:48
* ompaul wonders if the bot has taken a hike22:49
Myrtti!ping22:50
ubottuping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore22:50
Myrttitry pm22:50
ompaulits ok22:50
ompaulbut none the less in the spirit of testing22:50
ompaul<ubottu> sigh... again? I'm busy here, I already told you it failed.22:51
ompaulbut btdon't work22:51
Myrtti@btlogin22:52
Myrttiwfm22:52
Flannelmine does...22:57
ompaulFlannel, yours is preciousssssss ;-)22:58
Flannelmhmmm22:58
ompaulFlannel, yours works - it has value23:14
ompaultherefore is precious23:14
ompaulargh23:14
ompaulno point in anything here working that would be like insane23:15
ompaulargh23:15
* ompaul beats up an innocent computer23:25
Mez:O23:35
MezNOOO23:35
Mezcomputers are NEVER innocent23:35
ompaulMez, this one was23:50
Mezwhy>23:51
FlannelMez: because ompaul hadn't touched it yet.23:52
ompaulFlannel, hehe23:52
Mezno computer is innocent... they break on purpose23:52
ompauland when I did it got AI23:53
* Mez throws vmware out of the window23:53
ompauland it "knew"23:53
ompaulMez, ehh can we sing this song23:53
Mezy, w, enter, enter, enter, enter, enter, enter, left, enter, enter23:53
ompaulNon free, no source is available, Non Free you can't be sharing it .... etc23:53
Mez(ubuntu "detect keyboard" script - I've gone through it too many times today)23:54
FlannelMez: are you sure that's not the konami code?23:56
ompaulok time to zzzzzz23:56
ompaulcheers23:56

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