[00:15] <ompaul> something in pm perhaps
[00:31] <jussi01> we really ought to write a getdeb factoid, dont you think jpds?
[01:10] <Hobbsee> jussi01: i'm sure that would go down well...
[01:21] <nalioth> ubot3 is currently uploading to a remote host that should be functional.  of course, it's only uploading at my current crap speed, but it will be back up within a couple hours, i hope.
[03:37] <nalioth> excellent.
[03:37] <nalioth> only took 3 hours to upload 100mb
[03:42] <elkbuntu> heh
[05:18] <nalioth> Ubuntwo: can we help you?
[05:37] <elkbuntu> how many loco channels can you spot it in?
[05:39] <Flannel> Spot what?
[05:39] <Flannel> oh, 3
[08:12] <Flannel> ah, lovely.  that biteme person from yesterday is back
[08:13] <Flannel> Hobbsee: Nothing yet
[08:13] <Flannel> Just... got my finger on the trigger
[08:13] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:15] <Flannel> it's holycow, he was mentioning seeing ubuntu used somewhere, told him to take it to -offtopic, he said "dont remember asking for your permission" and then ignores me right before I get the chance to tell him to keep it on topic, so... I guess I don't need to warn anymore :)
[08:15] <Hobbsee> him again?  sigh
[08:16] <elkbuntu> holycow is the one who used to be s/biteme/$something_much_ruder/
[08:16] <Flannel> I know he was forwarded here yesterday... I think it was for k-kde4
[08:16] <Flannel> his username is still biteme
[08:16] <Flannel> which is the only reason I recognize him
[08:17] <Flannel> Hah.  He's actually still in this channel.
[08:18] <elkbuntu> he is, yes
[08:18] <Flannel> that'd be the forward from -kde4
[09:15]  * Myrtti yawns
[09:16] <gnomefreak> damn even over internet someone yawns i yawn
[09:19]  * gnomefreak really needs to find system beep setting
[09:21] <Flannel> um....
[09:21] <Myrtti> Thinking the same, Flannel?
[09:22] <Myrtti> I bet you are
[09:22] <Flannel> re: what?
[09:22] <Myrtti> Holycow and others...
[09:22] <Flannel> Well, holycow... sure, but not what the umm was for.
[09:22] <Myrtti> Oh.
[09:23] <Myrtti> My fail.
[09:24] <Seeker`> !
[09:25] <Seeker`> Myrtti failed! surely thats one of the signs on the apocalypse
[09:25] <Flannel> Someone can dist-upgrade and it wants to install new packages, but a regular upgrade doesn't want to hold something back...
[09:25] <Flannel> it makes ... no sense.
[09:27] <Myrtti> Here is a ... Wookie.
[09:28] <Myrtti> It lives in Kashyyk, flys with a spaceship...
[09:29] <gnomefreak> Flannel: depends what you mean by dist-upgrade
[09:29] <Flannel> gnomefreak: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:29] <Myrtti> Is a friend with ewoks...
[09:29] <Flannel> gnomefreak: http://pastebin.com/m73f0f2b and http://pastebin.com/m30cce33c
[09:29] <gnomefreak> Flannel: from like 8.04>8.10?
[09:29] <Myrtti> It MAKES NO SENSE!
[09:30] <gnomefreak> dist-upgrade should only install new packages if the deps were changed on a package
[09:30] <Flannel> gnomefreak: no... regular updates.
[09:30] <Flannel> gnomefreak: right.
[09:30] <Myrtti> Sorry. Star Wars fandom clashed with South Park.
[09:30] <Flannel> But, that also means regular upgrade should hold a package back
[09:31] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Only thing I can think of is that its now installing (during dist-upgrade) recommends/suggests/whatever by default, or something.
[09:32] <gnomefreak> Flannel: in 8.10 it does
[09:32] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Right, but this isn't in intrepid
[09:32] <gnomefreak> apt installs suggestions by default
[09:33] <gnomefreak> Flannel: what version of apt do you have?
[09:33] <Flannel> gnomefreak: this isn't me.
[09:33] <gnomefreak> Flannel: it could have been pushed to 8.04 through updates or proposed
[09:34] <gnomefreak> !info apt hardy
[09:34] <gnomefreak> yep it ha been
[09:35] <gnomefreak> /s/ha/has
[09:35] <Flannel> So, Is there an easy way to turn that off?
[09:36] <gnomefreak> Flannel: no
[09:36] <Flannel> gnomefreak: So... All hardy users are now using sun java then, once they update?
[09:36] <gnomefreak> Flannel: depends on what repo its in
[09:36] <Flannel> its in multiverse, which is enabled by default
[09:37]  * Flannel is amazed at how stupid this distro can be.
[09:37] <gnomefreak> Flannel: we have used sun-java for a while
[09:37] <Flannel> gnomefreak: not by default
[09:37] <gnomefreak> no you have to install it or install the freeversion from repos
[09:37] <Flannel> gnomefreak: right... now you're getting it by default
[09:37] <Flannel> dist-upgrade installs sun-jav
[09:37] <Flannel> a
[09:38] <gnomefreak> its icetea but it installs java6+extra
[09:38] <gnomefreak> Flannel: than he had that package to start wiht
[09:38] <gnomefreak> with
[09:38] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Take a look at the first of those two pastes.
[09:38] <Flannel> gnomefreak: no, he doesnt, "new packages"
[09:38] <Flannel> also: http://pastebin.com/m7104918d
[09:39] <Flannel> gnomefreak: No, that was my first inkling as well, which is why he's pasted all these things for me.
[09:40] <gnomefreak> Flannel: ubuntu-restriced-extras
[09:40] <Flannel> It depends on it?
[09:40] <gnomefreak> Flannel: http://pastebin.com/m2a4443ee
[09:40] <gnomefreak> Flannel: yes
[09:41] <Flannel> gnomefreak: then how is it installed, without java installed?
[09:41] <Flannel> gnomefreak: and how is it upgraded in the latter, and not held back?
[09:41] <gnomefreak> Flannel: he might have had it installed and the deps could have changed
[09:41] <gnomefreak> Flannel: what are you expecting to be held back?
[09:41] <Flannel> -restricted-extras
[09:41] <Flannel> because its depends aren't satisfied
[09:41] <gnomefreak> Flannel: why would it be?
[09:42] <Flannel> because its an upgrade
[09:42] <Flannel> so, no new packages.
[09:42] <gnomefreak> Flannel: could have been set that way in apt
[09:42] <gnomefreak> its been done before
[09:42] <Flannel> Set what way?
[09:43] <gnomefreak> Flannel: if the package was backported or updated to 8.10
[09:43] <gnomefreak> 8.10's version
[09:43] <Flannel> right... but installing that would install sun-java6-
[09:43] <gnomefreak> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:44] <gnomefreak> Flannel: not if it was set that dist* only installs it. sort of like kernels can be upgraded only by dist*
[09:44] <Flannel> gnomefreak: that has to do with bringing in new packages.
[09:45] <Flannel> installing it should bring in all the depends... or else we've got a major issue with apt
[09:45] <gnomefreak> Flannel: depens on packages are not always used in upgrade
[09:45] <gnomefreak> Flannel: no it shouldnt.
[09:45] <gnomefreak> Flannel: upgrading a kernel has to be used as dist*
[09:46] <Flannel> gnomefreak: so... you're saying installing something won't bring in its depends?
[09:46] <gnomefreak> Flannel: im saying that mvo could have set it to install new packages using dist not upgrade
[09:46] <Flannel> That sentence doesn't make any sense.
[09:47] <Flannel> or at least, to me.
[09:47] <gnomefreak> Flannel: its rare that upgrade installs new packages if it does at all
[09:47] <Flannel> No, I realise that it wont
[09:47] <Flannel> upgrade shouldn't ever.
[09:47] <gnomefreak> Flannel: and its not
[09:47] <Flannel> but then it should also hold back a package that requires a new package to be installed
[09:47] <Flannel> hold back a new version, that is.
[09:47] <Flannel> but it's not.  It's installing the new version without complaining
[09:47] <gnomefreak> Flannel: not really, mvo would have to set it to be seen
[09:48] <Flannel> Eh?
[09:48] <Flannel> So, you're telling me it's possible to have a package installed that doesn't have all its deps satisifed?
[09:49] <gnomefreak> Flannel: apt doesnt always show you everything. hence the issues we get (trying to think of an example atm)
[09:49] <gnomefreak> ah yes normally upgrade doesnt hold packages back since they are NEW
[09:49] <Flannel> What are new?
[09:49] <gnomefreak> NEW  doesnt get held back if its not installed
[09:50] <Flannel> as in, new packages just added to the repo?
[09:50] <gnomefreak> sun-java6-plugin would be NEW
[09:50] <Flannel> new in what sense?
[09:50] <gnomefreak> Flannel: NEW  as in sun-java6-plugin is new since it wasnt installed in first place
[09:50]  * elkbuntu holds Myrtti's hand
[09:51] <Flannel> gnomefreak: Ok, now you're contradicting yourself.
[09:51] <gnomefreak> Flannel: mvo could have set it to only use dist to install it but i would have to check with him
[09:51] <gnomefreak> f;no im not
[09:51] <gnomefreak> Flannel: no im not
[09:51] <Flannel> upgrade won't install new packages.  dist-upgrade will.  Correct?
[09:51] <gnomefreak> Flannel: yes alot of times
[09:52] <gnomefreak> example have you ever upgraded from 6.06>6.10?
[09:52] <Flannel> gnomefreak: now, how does u-r-e get upgraded, with an "upgrade" without satisfying its depends?
[09:52] <elkbuntu> isnt there #ubuntu-bugs or something for bugs talk? :Þ
[09:52] <Flannel> gnomefreak: no, but I'll be migrating to dapper to hardy soon enough.
[09:52] <Flannel> er, from dapper
[09:52] <gnomefreak> Flannel: ok have you ever upgraded versions of ubuntu before
[09:52] <Flannel> I have.
[09:53] <Flannel> Breezy to dapper.
[09:53] <gnomefreak> Flannel: when you use dist-* it installs new packages right?
[09:53] <Flannel> I know that.
[09:53] <gnomefreak> Flannel: upgrade doesnt
[09:53] <Flannel> gnomefreak: I *know*
[09:53] <Flannel> sigh.
[09:53] <Flannel> you're not udnerstanding a word I'm saying.
[09:54] <elkbuntu> guys, elsewhere please
[09:54] <gnomefreak> Flannel: what is it you dont get? the not showing held back packages?
[09:54] <Flannel> gnomefreak: name a channel
[09:54] <elkbuntu> #ubuntu-bugs :Þ
[09:54] <gnomefreak> Flannel: ubuntu-offtopic?
[09:54] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: its not a bug
[09:54] <elkbuntu> it's certainly not an op issue
[09:54] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: agreed
[09:55] <elkbuntu> and we have a freak or three in -ot waiting to cause trouble
[10:07] <elkbuntu> php6th is walking the line in #ubuntu
[10:14] <Flannel> he really likes "pansy"
[10:15] <elkbuntu> also, mc44 says the crazy dude in -ops is mr farmer
[10:16] <Flannel> -offtopic you mean?
[10:16] <Flannel> Patch?
[10:16] <Flannel> or ZAX?
[10:16] <Myrtti> Ryan?
[10:16] <elkbuntu> ordos
[10:16] <Myrtti> O?
[10:16] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, who is zax again?
[10:17] <Flannel> Thats correct.  Ordos is.
[10:17] <Myrtti> Os ip is familiar.
[10:17] <Myrtti> So.
[10:18] <Flannel> His IP is identical
[10:18] <Myrtti> Elk asustek
[10:18] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, yes, but wasnt it part of a larger group of morons?
[10:18] <elkbuntu> im probably confusing the moron families at the moment
[10:18] <Myrtti> Hold on...
[10:19] <Flannel> ASus is the one who asks prying questions that I talked to.  right?
[10:19]  * Flannel wishes people would stop switching nicks so often.
[10:21] <elkbuntu> Flannel, did we not ban mr farmer?
[10:22] <Flannel> Zax and Asus are the same, and they are the previously advertised.
[10:22] <Flannel> elkbuntu: I believe we have.  Let me make sure theyre current.
[10:22] <elkbuntu> if so, ban evasion procedures are to be applied
[10:23] <elkbuntu> before mc44 trolls the troll and we get a vorte
[10:23] <Flannel> elkbuntu: You keep banning him by nick
[10:23] <elkbuntu> vortex
[10:23] <elkbuntu> Flannel, i dont ban by nick
[10:23] <Flannel> elkbuntu: right, Hobbsee does
[10:23] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, bad!
[10:23] <Flannel> er, Myrtti.
[10:23] <elkbuntu> Flannel, still, he's evading nonetheless
[10:23] <elkbuntu> ban by ip and be done with it
[10:23]  * Flannel wishes bans vs kicks would be more visible in bt
[10:23] <elkbuntu> i doubt he'll find sympathy
[10:23] <Flannel> his IP does change.
[10:24] <Flannel> banning his whole subnet is liable for collat. damage
[10:24] <Flannel> er. host...y... thingie
[10:24]  * Flannel is so eloquent tonight.
[10:28] <elkbuntu> sec,i'll evaluate
[10:28] <Flannel> actually...
[10:28] <Flannel> ompaul removed the IP ban earlier today in his cleaning
[10:29] <Flannel> and, jdd (a good guy) is also on hsd1.in.comcast.net
[10:29]  * elkbuntu kills ompaul
[10:29] <Flannel> so, I say try another IP ban, and scold ompaul
[10:29] <Flannel> that is at 8:42, so... 18 hours ago
[10:29] <Myrtti> Flannel: er?
[10:29] <Flannel> Myrtti: my time :P
[10:29] <Myrtti> Flannel: no I mean, er earlies
[10:29] <Myrtti> earlieR
[10:30] <Myrtti> 12:23 +Flannel> er, Myrtti.
[10:30] <elkbuntu> actually, you could take out the third and fourth octets of the ip and still match only him
[10:30] <Flannel> Myrtti: you have a ban on %AlmightyCthulhu!*@*
[10:30] <Flannel> from -offtopic
[10:30] <Flannel> from august 11 :P
[10:31] <elkbuntu> ditto second third and fourth
[10:31] <Myrtti> Flannel: I do?
[10:31] <Myrtti> Flannel: I don't think so
[10:31] <Flannel> Myrtti: bt thinks so
[10:31] <Myrtti> oh.
[10:31] <Flannel> how do... I search for ban number things
[10:31] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[10:32] <elkbuntu>  /who c-68-*.hsd1.in.comcast.net
[10:32] <Myrtti> I almost feel like upgrading my laptop to Intrepid just to get network manager to understand mobile modems
[10:33] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, nm in ibex is hawt
[10:33] <Seeker`> elkbuntu: you don tknow who else will try to connect from that hostmask though
[10:33] <Myrtti> oh, right, that *mute*
[10:33] <elkbuntu> Seeker`, given how his presence is making mc44 react, im willing to take that chance
[10:33] <Myrtti> he's not banned but muted with his nick
[10:33] <Flannel> Myrtti: I'd have to actually click the thing and look for that.
[10:33] <Seeker`> surely you just want the smallest ban that will catch them effectively
[10:34] <elkbuntu> only two octets gone is  cleaner /who c-68-57-*.hsd1.in.comcast.net
[10:36]  * Flannel ponders a ban forward to here, with a ban on his specific IP here.
[10:36] <Flannel> Then we're the only ones who have to deal with him temporarily when his IP changes
[10:36] <elkbuntu> i dont particuarly feel like incuring his wrath that way
[10:36] <elkbuntu> i get enough spam as it is
[11:15] <Myrtti> Fujisan sighting at #fn
[11:19] <gnomefreak> that would be freenode ops
[11:20] <gnomefreak> staff even
[11:21] <Flannel> oooh, that reminds me I need to assimilate a nick
[11:23] <elkbuntu> haha, he's trying to tor
[11:24] <gnomefreak> he can use tor if he asks staff for a tor cloak
[11:24] <elkbuntu> ompaul, you unbanned mr farmer! :(
[11:25] <gnomefreak> if he has fresh veggies im all for unbanning him
[11:26] <elkbuntu> haha. you dont know who he is, do ya
[11:26] <gnomefreak> nope not a clue
[11:26] <elkbuntu> did you say, read mjg59's blog in the past week at all?
[11:26] <gnomefreak> not i
[11:26] <gnomefreak> do you have a link
[11:27] <elkbuntu> http://mjg59.livejournal.com/
[11:27] <ompaul> was he by IP only?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> thanks
[11:27] <ompaul> and were
[11:27] <ompaul> where
[11:27] <ompaul> ot or
[11:27] <ompaul> gnomefreak, please
[11:27] <Myrtti> Is there a way to make redirs in Ubuntu blog?
[11:27] <ompaul> no
[11:27] <ompaul> that idiot
[11:27] <ompaul> now I know
[11:27] <Myrtti> s/blog/wiki/
[11:27] <ompaul> how the hell did I do that
[11:27] <ompaul> I did not do that intentionally
[11:27]  * ompaul grumbles and points in the general direction of a debian box that is getting my attention 
[11:27] <Flannel> ompaul: and pushing enter for you too, it seems :)
[11:27] <ompaul> mail1:/etc# uptime -- 11:27:30 up 6 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.07, 0.05
[11:28] <ompaul> now you may understand why this box gets attention
[11:28] <jpds> jussi01: "Don't use getdeb" -- or talk to the -motu guys about it.
[11:28] <ompaul> gateway / firewall / postfix proxy and stuff
[11:28] <elkbuntu> ompaul, because it's easy to assume comcast addresses are as dynamic as underwear
[11:28] <gnomefreak> holy crap
[11:29] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, yeah. he's... sick.
[11:30] <gnomefreak> he can be stopped fairly easy IMHO
[11:30] <ompaul> elkbuntu, ack
[11:30] <ompaul> elkbuntu, have they been reinstated?
[11:30] <elkbuntu> calling comcast? i've no doubts matthew's already done that
[11:30] <ompaul> as in the bans
[11:31] <elkbuntu> ompaul, not yet. he's still in -ot
[11:31] <ompaul> for about 10 seconds
[11:31] <elkbuntu> ordos be the nick
[11:31] <Myrtti> this is ompaul: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/15/funny-pictures-i-haz-a-ponder/
[11:32] <ompaul> call m e cruel
[11:32]  * Flannel wonders if ompaul is an actor in a B movie.
[11:33] <elkbuntu> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-cat-has-found-a-three-letter-word-for-happiness.jpg is Myrtti
[11:33] <ompaul> Flannel, no, more like a d movie
[11:33] <ompaul> Myrtti, hehe
[11:33] <elkbuntu> Flannel, ompaul cant keep a straight face for half a second unless he's genuinely mad
[11:33] <ompaul> elkbuntu, more hehe
[11:35] <ompaul> elkbuntu, you want to see the most evil ban reason every?
[11:35] <ompaul> watch ot
[11:36] <elkbuntu> nice touch
[11:36] <Flannel> elkbuntu: I'm trying to figure out what m*res is.
[11:36] <elkbuntu> same
[11:37] <Flannel> Almost could be militaries
[11:43] <gnomefreak> is today a bank holiday in england or any surronding countries?
[11:43] <Flannel> Its a sunday!
[11:43] <ompaul> gnomefreak, today is sunday
[11:43] <gnomefreak> oh damn
[11:43] <ompaul> so yes
[11:43] <ompaul> by default!
[11:43] <ompaul> ;-)
[11:43]  * gnomefreak slaps self
[11:43] <gnomefreak> i thought it was monday
[11:44] <ompaul> gnomefreak, last monday in August in UK first one in .ie
[11:44] <gnomefreak> well this means i get the day off ;)
[11:44] <Flannel> gnomefreak: indeed.
[11:44] <Flannel> gnomefreak: its a pity you're already at work though.
[11:45] <gnomefreak> im here building extensions so i guess when this oneis built i can enjoy the cloudy, rainy day
[11:48] <Myrtti> hm.
[11:48] <Myrtti> http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/why_finland_is_different.html
[12:43] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i don't ban by nick either.
[12:43] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i banned by hostmask.
[12:43] <Hobbsee> Flannel: please don't tell lies :)
[12:45]  * Hobbsee only got the guy in #ubuntu and -bugs anyway
[12:45]  * gnomefreak really hates typing one handed (hunt and peck) takes too long
[12:46]  * Hobbsee eyes -offtopic
[12:47]  * Hobbsee is fairly sure that impersonating people is against the guidelines.
[12:47] <Hobbsee> methinks it could equally apply to things.
[12:49] <Myrtti> who is impersonating who?
[12:49] <ompaul> trolls impersonating users?
[12:49] <gnomefreak> im guessing "ubuntu" is impersonating someone
[12:50] <gnomefreak> atleast that is what i thought Hobbsee meant
[12:50] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yeah.
[12:50]  * gnomefreak wondering why everyone is so willing to give out thier ip addresses
[12:50] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: well, mine's pretty obvious.  *shrug*
[12:52] <PriceChild> Things ok?
[12:53] <PriceChild> ompaul: elkbuntu: was baron/cthulhu/ML-signer-uper rebanned?
[12:53] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: hope so.  although he's mighty abusive, after being banned.
[12:53] <Myrtti> other than I still want to lart { ZAXSES, ASUS-tek, MSI } so hard he flies to moon?
[12:53] <PriceChild> Myrtti: is he around atm?
[12:54] <PriceChild> I never seem to be around the same time.
[12:54] <jpds> PriceChild: He came on as Onkar, or something.
[12:54] <PriceChild> jpds: thanks
[12:54] <jpds> whois . Ordos [n=Vladimir@c-68-57-223-4.hsd1.in.comcast.net] [network]
[12:54] <ompaul> PriceChild, I did
[12:54] <PriceChild> ompaul: cool
[12:55] <ompaul> PriceChild, first a ban then
[12:55] <ompaul> * Ordos (n=Vladimir@c-68-57-223-4.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has left #ubuntu-offtopic (requested by ompaul: "07-08-2008 03:25:56 -!- AlmightyCthulhu!n=Almighty@c-68-57-223-4.hsd1.in.comcast.net has joined #ubuntu-kernel")
[12:55] <ompaul> subtle like a brick
[12:55] <PriceChild> I have to run off for lunch.
[12:55] <Hobbsee> ahem.
[12:55] <Hobbsee> [21:55] [Whois] Ordos is an operator on channels: #fuckubuntu
[12:55] <PriceChild> Don't join.
[12:56] <ompaul> kline him please
[12:56]  * PriceChild sighs
[12:56]  * Hobbsee waits for the next barrage of abuse.
[12:56] <ompaul> own the channel divert it to here
[12:56]  * ompaul just thinks that might help him
[12:56] <Hobbsee> ompaul: it won't.
[12:56] <Hobbsee> just kline the idiot and be done.
[12:57] <PriceChild> I'm really runnin goff this time, please don't join, I'm sure it'll be ok to deal with it when I return, but any problems just shout in #freenode
[13:00]  * Hobbsee wonders why s0u][ight is so interested
[13:11] <Myrtti> ...
[13:11] <Myrtti> why  are  people  sometimes  so      DENSE
[13:11] <Myrtti> again the universe is not bending to my will where people live up to my expectations
[13:20]  * Hobbsee turns gnomefreak's crackmeter down.
[13:24]  * Hobbsee sighs at ops giving crackful information out.
[13:25]  * Myrtti sighs back
[13:30] <PriceChild> Hmm ordos tried to rickroll me.
[13:30] <ompaul> that has to be klineable
[13:31]  * jpds added his ip to hilights.
[13:31] <PriceChild> ompaul: rofl
[13:31] <PriceChild> He was giving me his channel's CoC and informing me I was in violation of it.
[13:31] <Myrtti> LOOOLLLL
[13:32] <ompaul> PriceChild, great
[13:32] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: you were surprised, based on what he said to me yesterday (assuming you read it)?
[13:32] <ompaul> PriceChild, does he realise how beyond the edge beyond the ledge he is yet
[13:32]  * ompaul doubts it
[13:34] <Hobbsee> yay for a hostname.  [22:34] [Whois] dupondje is n=dupondje@i.want.teen-sex.net (dupondje)
[13:34] <Myrtti> nnngghh
[13:36]  * Myrtti sighs
[13:38] <Myrtti> note to self: frying pan is hot
[13:41] <Hobbsee> man, i hate having to boot ops who don't listen.
[13:43] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: wth, so i cant have an opinon?
[13:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you can only have an opinion if you are NOT ON CRACK.
[13:43] <Hobbsee> If you are demonstrably wrong, and don't listen, then NO, YOU MAY NOT CONTINUE.
[13:43] <Hobbsee> what part of this do you fail to understand?
[13:43]  * Myrtti runs and hides
[13:44] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: it doesnt matter if i have opinon just as you have your own
[13:44] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yes, but unfortunately for you, mine and amaranth's are right (and we've also made packages that do this before), and yours are not.
[13:45] <Hobbsee> if you want to broadcast your incorrect opinions, you may do so - to a brick wall.
[13:45] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: its still an opinon
[13:45] <Hobbsee> you are not permitted to damage the ubuntu name by spreading your incorrect opinions, in ubuntu channels, and preferably not outside of it.
[13:45] <Hobbsee> understood?
[13:45] <wgrant> Am I allowed to profess the virtues of Ultamatix in #ubuntu?
[13:45] <PriceChild> What's going on here?
[13:45] <Hobbsee> no
[13:46] <wgrant> PriceChild: Some general unpleasantness, I guess.
[13:46] <gnomefreak> that would fall under !worksforme
[13:46] <PriceChild> where?
[13:46] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: gnomefreak's not listening to two developers telling him that he's wrong, and keeps proclaiming that he's right regardless, with proof to the contrary.
[13:46] <jpds> PriceChild: See: #ubuntu+1
[13:46] <Hobbsee> and with sufficient explanation, yet he keeps coming up with the same things over and over.
[13:47] <Hobbsee> last i knew, ops have to follow the conventions of the channel, like users, in areas such as giving correct information.
[13:47] <gnomefreak> maybe i missed the proof, i only saw you and amarth tell me it happens
[13:47] <Hobbsee> i told you.  firefox.  kernels.
[13:47] <Hobbsee> if you'd stopped being so eager to tell us your opinion again, and actually read, you'd have known that.
[13:48] <gnomefreak> firefox hasnt had that in a long time
[13:48] <gnomefreak> and yes i can prove that sine im running prebuilt ff along with 3.0.1 4.0
[13:48] <gnomefreak> 3.1 as well
[13:48] <Hobbsee> sorry, mozilla-firefox.
[13:48] <gnomefreak> its not a package
[13:48] <wgrant> There are numerous examples.
[13:48] <Hobbsee> it was.
[13:49] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: remove the ban and stand down please.
[13:49] <gnomefreak> it was yes now its a virtual package
[13:49] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: why?
[13:49] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: arguing is fine, banning because of it is not.
[13:49] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: because he's an op?
[13:49] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: if you're directly involved in this, its not good for you to start using access. If you think it is needed, get a 3rd party to mediate.
[13:50] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: In an ideal world, even if he's not an op.
[13:50]  * Hobbsee wonders why there are bans from here, then.
[13:50] <Hobbsee> those people argue, and you boot them.
[13:50] <Hobbsee> why is this any different?
[13:50] <PriceChild> I've no problem with you continuing discussion if you both think it worth it. Doesn't have to be in +1, but I do not like you using access to finish this argument.
[13:51] <wgrant> I feel that both sides need to cool down and rethink things a bit.
[13:51] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: i used it as a last resort.  I gave many warnigns.
[13:51] <wgrant> The ban would have worked had it not just come into here :(
[13:51] <wgrant> And ample warning was given.
[13:51] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: warnings should not be needed.
[13:51] <Mez> Hobbsee, you know the solution to that ... /msg with your response in the argument ... that takes the argument out of the channel and into Private
[13:52] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: because people shouldn't bitch when they're wrong, yes.
[13:52] <Hobbsee> however, they do.
[13:52] <PriceChild> #fuckubuntu has been unregistered.
[13:52] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i dont care who is right and who is wrong, it's not an ops issue and should not be discussed in the ops channel
[13:52] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, excellent. who did that one?
[13:53] <PriceChild> Who is jollygiant?
[13:53] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: ordos
[13:53] <jpds> PriceChild: Amarath.
[13:53] <gnomefreak> amarth i think
[13:53] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: i thought you'd actually read the logs.
[13:53] <gnomefreak> damn i keep forgetting that a
[13:53] <PriceChild> aha
[13:53] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, classic
[13:53] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: i brought it in here due to the ban
[13:53] <PriceChild> I'd noticed him joining another channel or two and thought it was odd, noticed travis, but wasn't identified so ignored it.
[13:53] <jpds> PriceChild: /whois Ordos: channels : @##ubuntu-scientology
[13:54] <wgrant> ...
[13:54] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: it was mentioned, in the logs.
[13:54] <elkbuntu> jpds, i think that... explains everything
[13:54] <PriceChild> jpds: i'll deal with it later
[13:54] <gnomefreak> jpds: i saw a different channel i guess he left and joined a different channel
[13:54] <Hobbsee> wgrant: agreed, but i don't see why he should be allowed to be in there to start up again.
[13:55] <Hobbsee> wgrant: he should have to cool off too, which includes not discussing in there.
[13:55] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: and im not
[13:55] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, i gather his status as a harasser and spammer will make dealing easier
[13:55] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: I'm currently more concerned with the situation
[13:56] <gnomefreak> he can always re-register the nick or a nick
[13:56] <PriceChild> here
[13:56] <ompaul> PriceChild, I am aware that you are involved with forums therefore would it be easier if we were to look to other staff to have him on the ktrain?
[13:57] <gnomefreak> i would say he deserves a kline but there are ways past that
[13:57] <PriceChild> ompaul: I haven't been involved with him there.
[13:57] <ompaul> gnomefreak, he does not seem to be that clever
[13:57]  * gnomefreak doesnt really know him or seen him say much of anything
[13:57] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: remove the ban and stand down please.
[13:57] <ompaul> PriceChild, true but he picked on you here as being there in the url that made it to mjgs blog
[13:57] <PriceChild> gnomefreak: will stay out for the time being.
[13:58] <PriceChild> ompaul: pardon?
[13:58] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: OK.  however, if he doesn't, i will reinstate.
[13:58] <gnomefreak> ops can unban selves btw
[13:58]  * gnomefreak doesnt really care to
[13:59] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, Hobbsee, i suggest talking to dholbach and/or jcastro for mediation if you wish for this to continue
[14:00] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: it has been stopped
[14:00] <elkbuntu> good
[14:00]  * Hobbsee wishes that all people, including ops, were forbidden from spouting incorrect information in support channels.  That is all!
[14:00] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i agree if it wsa stated as fact not opinon
[14:00] <gnomefreak> was
[14:01] <elkbuntu> ENOUGH
[14:01] <PriceChild> ompaul: not needed.
[14:01] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: i was agreeing with her
[14:01] <ompaul> just drop it please
[14:01] <ompaul> PriceChild, I just want attention ;-)
[14:02] <ompaul> now that we have that out of the way - please go back to whatever you were doing before
[14:02] <ompaul> NICELY!
[14:06] <PriceChild> I am really not happy with ops kickbanning other ops. There is no way I can expect you to be nice to users in normal channels if you can't resolve an argument with "one of the good guys" who are on the same team.
[14:07]  * Hobbsee cites her last statement above, although understands where PriceChild is coming from.
[14:07] <Hobbsee> Unfortunately, this is a case of picking the less worse of the evils, no?
[14:07] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: how do you mean?
[14:08] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: i can understand the idea that ops should not use their access against other ops.  However, my understanding is that spouting incorrect information, and opinions, for lengthy periods, evne when shown to be wrong, and t hat being allowed to continue indefinetly, is worse.
[14:08] <Hobbsee> Thus, it's the less worst evil.
[14:09] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: I believe that as an op, you should be able to be nice enough to resolve problems like that without access in the best situations.
[14:09] <elkbuntu> the less worse evil would be both of you having the maturity to take it out of a public channel. that's BOTH of you
[14:09] <PriceChild> And this is a best situation, as its 'against' a 'good' person.
[14:10] <PriceChild> I have to run again. Lets have less flexing of ops and I'll see where we are when we get back.
[14:10] <PriceChild> Hmm has myrtti left? I was going to call for hugs.
[14:10] <Hobbsee> yes, she did.
[14:10] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: i wish that worked.  it works, in the perfect world.
[14:11] <Hobbsee> anyway, 'ive got a tute to write, seeing as there are no other people talking rubbish.
[14:11] <Hobbsee> so, cya.
[14:11]  * elkbuntu hugs PriceChild before he bursts into tears
[14:12]  * elkbuntu checks in on myrtti
[14:15] <elkbuntu> she's ok, she just doesnt need the stress of opwars
[14:15] <Mez> yeah - I don't blame here to be fair
[14:15] <Mez> elkbuntu, what about kickbanning yourself?
[14:16] <Mez> wow, am laggint today
[14:16] <elkbuntu> heh
[14:17] <Mez> /kill Mez "Cause suicide is painless"
[14:17]  * elkbuntu kills mez for bad quotes
[14:17] <Mez> bad quotes?
[14:17] <Mez> my quotes are well behaved...
[14:18]  * Hobbsee notes that killing is probably against the code of conduct.
[14:18] <Mez> Hobbsee, ?@
[14:18] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: even yourself? after checked that your work is publically available in advance?
[14:19] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: i meant for elkbuntu's comment.  But i'm not sure about killing yourself off
[14:19] <Mez> Nafallo, depends on whether your method of suicide is graceful (step down gracefully)
[14:20] <elkbuntu> Mez, step down off what?
[14:20]  * elkbuntu ducks
[14:20] <Nafallo> Mez: :-)
[14:20] <Mez> (requested by elkbuntu: "baaad!") <-- sheep impression?
[14:20] <elkbuntu> no
[14:21] <Mez> right, I guess I should go up the shops
[14:21] <Mez> bbl... mayb
[14:21] <Mez> e
[14:22] <Nafallo> Mez: let go off the busses!
[14:22] <Nafallo> :-)
[14:23] <Mez> Nafallo, *blinks*... huh?>
[14:23] <Nafallo> nvm. really cheap joke.
[14:23]  * Mez nods and smiles and pretends he knows what Nafallo was on about, sticks his hands in his pockets and walks away, whistling
[14:24] <elkbuntu> Nafallo, the british only get british jokes.
[14:24] <Nafallo> hehe
[16:54]  * Myrtti looks around
[16:56] <PriceChild> JollyGiant: Hey, can we help you?
[16:57]  * Mez hugs Myrtti 
[16:57] <Mez> tis ok, you're safe now
[16:58]  * Myrtti stays behind Mez for safety
[16:59] <bazhang> thought JollyGiant was amaranth
[16:59] <PriceChild> bazhang: amaranth is amaranth. ubuntu/member/amaranth is amaranth/
[17:00] <PriceChild> bazhang: jollygiant is not jollygiant
[17:01] <Myrtti> That host rings a bell though
[17:01] <PriceChild> Myrtti: I wouldn't give someone a password reset to your nick if your hostname was myrtti.fi
[17:02] <bazhang> whats with the sublimation guy in -ot
[17:02] <bazhang> is that icesword?
[17:02] <JollyGiant> PriceChild: the nick fits too, you've met me :P
[17:02] <PriceChild> JollyGiant: I don't believe I have
[17:02] <JollyGiant> you were in seville, no?
[17:02] <Myrtti> PriceChild huh?
[17:03] <PriceChild> JollyGiant: I was in seville.
[17:04] <PriceChild> JollyGiant: is there anything we can help you with, operator/abuse questions wise?
[17:13] <Myrtti> Yeah...
[17:14]  * Myrtti sighs
[17:14] <bazhang> the ratio of arrgh in ot has been off the scale the last few days
[17:14] <PriceChild> Myrtti: what's up?
[17:15] <Myrtti> Blood pressure rather high atm
[17:25] <Myrtti> Though I got kissed by a lovely  and hairy gentleman today
[17:34] <ikonia> bazhang: con-cur
[17:47] <jpds> PriceChild: JollyGaint == Amarnath ?
[17:47] <ikonia> I think so
[17:52] <PriceChild> jpds: see above
[17:52] <jpds> Oh well.
[17:52] <ikonia> oooh,
[17:53] <Myrtti> Why would Am be identified but not cloaked... Exactly
[17:54] <ikonia> PriceChild: do you know him, (above) seems to suggest he knows you
[17:55] <PriceChild> ikonia: it has been suggested it is amaranth, but i don't know.
[17:55] <ikonia> seems odd as you/myrtti suggests
[17:57] <ikonia> ahh well, must fix noisy disk fans
[18:14] <ikonia> jpds: sorry about that
[18:15] <jpds> ikonia: I thought someone had taken over your client.
[18:16] <ikonia> no, I was trying to update my spreadsheet with new hostnames, and the window didn't highlight
[18:16] <bazhang> haha
[18:18] <ikonia> got curtis in a pm now, incase anyone else is looking
[18:24] <mneptok> PriceChild: was Amaranth@Sevilla?
[18:25]  * Myrtti pokes mneptok
[18:28]  * Mez sighs
[18:29] <Mez> And this is why the Ubuntu en_GB translation team has an approval process..
[18:29] <Mez> (We send out an email to people, and generally approve if their email comes back in correct english) - this guy obviously didn't spell check, or read it through
[18:31] <Myrtti> I can haz access to translashun proshus?
[18:31] <Myrtti> Plz?
[18:31] <Myrtti> Kthxbai
[18:32] <Myrtti> We should translate Ubuntu to lolspeak
[18:32] <Mez> lolbuntu
[18:32] <Myrtti> Ceiling cat would approve
[18:32] <Mez> you're not the first person to say that
[18:32] <Mez> Ceiling cat?
[18:34] <Myrtti> The one we pray in thanks of our daily noms and ask for forgiveness of our sin of kyuut and pandamonium
[18:35] <Myrtti> Dogses pray to repent the sin of drinking from the loo
[18:37] <Myrtti> Then theres the basement cat. hes black.
[18:38] <Myrtti> Bad kittehs dont go to heaven. They go to basement
[18:39] <Myrtti> Did that answer your question, Mez?
[18:39] <PriceChild> mneptok: yep
[18:40] <Mez> Myrtti, you iz strange
[18:40] <Mez> :D
[18:40] <Myrtti> I bet mneptok prays for forgiving drinking from the loo too from the Ceiling Cat.
[18:41] <Myrtti> Mez NEWSFLASH!
[18:41] <Myrtti> Not.
[18:41] <Mez> :D
[18:43] <Myrtti> Captain Obvious to the rescue
[18:44] <Mez> :'(
[18:44]  * Myrtti plans the translation
[18:45] <Myrtti> Applikas.. Applisha... Soffwaer
[18:47] <Myrtti> Develup... Devile... New thingses
[18:50]  * Mez cries a little inside
[18:50] <Mez> i cant bridge my wlan card
[18:50] <Myrtti> HERE COMES THE HORRIBLE... SCHNUU SCHNUU!
[18:51] <Mez> Myrtti, can i have some of whatever you've been taking
[18:51] <Mez> o-o
[18:51] <Mez> weirdness...
[18:51] <Mez> shift key won't work...
[18:51] <Mez> ;9
[18:51] <Mez> nor caps lock key
[18:51] <Mez> something strange is going on here
[18:54] <Myrtti> I wish I had pain killers
[18:55] <Myrtti> Im trying to cheer myself up since this week has been horrible
[19:11]  * Myrtti hears a pin drop
[19:12] <Dave2> :(
[19:22] <ikonia> how can I do a ban for n=curis@pool*
[19:22] <ikonia> is that the right format ?
[19:23] <ikonia> I assume I can wildcard it like that
[19:23] <Myrtti> Nick!ident@host
[19:24] <ikonia> so I could do *!@pool-* ?
[19:24] <ikonia> is that a do-able format ?
[19:24] <ikonia> oops
[19:24] <Myrtti> You forgot ident
[19:24] <ikonia> *!curtis@pool-*
[19:24] <ikonia> es, just corrected
[19:25] <ikonia> would that be the correct syntax ?
[19:25] <Myrtti> n=curtis@
[19:25] <ikonia> ahh
[19:25] <ikonia> thank you
[19:25] <Myrtti> Cant leave n= off
[19:25] <ikonia> *!n=curtis@pool-* ?
[19:26] <ikonia> yes, I forgot about n
[19:26] <ikonia> just want to be spot on as I don't want to stuff up #ubuntu
[19:27] <ikonia> worked, great, thank you
[19:28] <bazhang> wonder how long zaapiel will get away with completely ignoring the CoC in -ot
[19:29] <ikonia> just give him a nude
[19:29] <ikonia> see if he responds to toning it down
[19:30] <Myrtti> Nudge?
[19:30] <ikonia> yes, "hey, can you tone it down"
[19:30] <ikonia> as in a quiet word
[19:30]  * Myrtti points at what you said
[19:30] <ikonia> ?
[19:31] <ikonia> oops
[19:31] <ikonia> nude
[19:31] <ikonia> sorry
[19:31] <Myrtti> Kek
[19:31] <bazhang> no he does not.
[19:33] <bazhang> he does the opposite in fact.
[19:33] <ikonia> well Myrtti is awake and kicking
[19:34] <bazhang> the only time he reforms is when he sees someone who has privileges there.
[19:34] <bazhang> then it is back to the misogynist (and worse) comments
[19:45] <Myrtti> Too bad I dont have my misandrist  there days
[19:45] <Myrtti> These, even
[19:52] <Myrtti> Would be "fun"
[19:52] <Mez> hmm... do we have any actual americans in here...
[19:53] <bazhang> as opposed to virtual?
[19:53] <Myrtti> Flannel pici nal...
[19:53] <Myrtti> Jack s
[19:54] <Myrtti> Pleia...
[19:54] <Myrtti> Plenty
[20:50] <Flannel> What?
[20:51]  * Myrtti pokes Mez
[20:57] <Mez> doesnt matter now
[21:04] <ikonia> tritium: where did he come back in ?
[21:04] <ikonia> ahh I missed him
[21:04] <tritium> ok
[21:04] <ikonia> good spot
[21:05] <Flannel> that wasnt really ban evading...
[21:05] <tritium> :) I need to head out.  Have a good day!
[21:05]  * jpds looks at Mez_ in #u
[21:05] <Mez> jpds?
[21:06] <Mez> ah ... _
[21:06] <tritium> Well, ok, I guess he was kicked the first time.
[21:06] <ikonia> yes, I removed him
[21:07] <tritium> sorry, ikonia.  Want me to unban him?
[21:08] <tritium> If not, I'm setting /away shortly.
[21:09] <ikonia> tritium: not at all
[21:09] <ikonia> tritium: I hoped he wouldn't come back
[21:09] <ikonia> eg: kick to discourage
[21:09] <ikonia> then ban
[21:09] <ikonia> but I didn't see him come back so "thanks"
[21:09] <ikonia> good spot
[21:10] <tritium> :)
[21:14] <Mez> argh1
[21:14] <Mez> none of my modifier keys work.. ;9
[21:14] <Mez> again
[21:14] <Mez> though, alt does
[21:57]  * Myrtti yawns
[22:00]  * jpds suffers a headache.
[22:32] <larson9999> hello, ubuntu-read-topic says i should come here and ask to be tested.
[22:33] <PriceChild> I believe it says something before that *checks*
[22:33] <PriceChild> aha sorry
[22:34] <PriceChild> larson9999: please try test me in the other channel again
[22:34] <ompaul> PriceChild, pm
[22:34] <PriceChild> sure
[22:36] <Flannel> interesting
[22:42] <Flannel> After he gets back in #ubuntu, he starts causing trouble
[22:43] <ompaul> Flannel, that nick had me raising an eyebrow
[22:43] <ompaul> not sure what
[22:43] <ompaul> @btlogin
[22:43] <Flannel> Whys that? oh familiarity
[22:43] <ompaul> Flannel, ;-)
[22:48] <ompaul> Flannel, ;-)
[22:48] <ompaul> @btlogin
[22:49]  * ompaul wonders if the bot has taken a hike
[22:50] <Myrtti> !ping
[22:50] <Myrtti> try pm
[22:50] <ompaul> its ok
[22:50] <ompaul> but none the less in the spirit of testing
 sigh... again? I'm busy here, I already told you it failed.
[22:51] <ompaul> but btdon't work
[22:52] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[22:52] <Myrtti> wfm
[22:57] <Flannel> mine does...
[22:58] <ompaul> Flannel, yours is preciousssssss ;-)
[22:58] <Flannel> mhmmm
[23:14] <ompaul> Flannel, yours works - it has value
[23:14] <ompaul> therefore is precious
[23:14] <ompaul> argh
[23:15] <ompaul> no point in anything here working that would be like insane
[23:15] <ompaul> argh
[23:25]  * ompaul beats up an innocent computer
[23:35] <Mez> :O
[23:35] <Mez> NOOO
[23:35] <Mez> computers are NEVER innocent
[23:50] <ompaul> Mez, this one was
[23:51] <Mez> why>
[23:52] <Flannel> Mez: because ompaul hadn't touched it yet.
[23:52] <ompaul> Flannel, hehe
[23:52] <Mez> no computer is innocent... they break on purpose
[23:53] <ompaul> and when I did it got AI
[23:53]  * Mez throws vmware out of the window
[23:53] <ompaul> and it "knew"
[23:53] <ompaul> Mez, ehh can we sing this song
[23:53] <Mez> y, w, enter, enter, enter, enter, enter, enter, left, enter, enter
[23:53] <ompaul> Non free, no source is available, Non Free you can't be sharing it .... etc
[23:54] <Mez> (ubuntu "detect keyboard" script - I've gone through it too many times today)
[23:56] <Flannel> Mez: are you sure that's not the konami code?
[23:56] <ompaul> ok time to zzzzzz
[23:56] <ompaul> cheers