[00:40] <seele> is there a kubuntu meeting scheduled any time soon?
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> nighty night
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[07:19] <Tonio_> hi there
[07:21] <apachelogger> ahoy Tonio_
[07:22] <Tonio_> hi apachelogger :)
[07:26] <\sh> apachelogger: I'll have to rebuild kde4bindings...anything to take care off to fetch the new pyqt4 stuff for pykde4?
[07:27] <apachelogger> \sh: you could add my patch ;-)
[07:27] <apachelogger> *fwding*
[07:28] <\sh> apachelogger: pastebin it pls :)
[07:28] <\sh> cd12vf34
[07:28] <\sh> argl
[07:28] <\sh> lol
[07:28] <apachelogger> also possible
[07:28] <\sh> so far to keyboard grabbing
[07:28] <apachelogger> \sh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/38424/
[08:03] <\sh> apachelogger: how long does it take to compile kde4bindings? ,-)
[08:04] <apachelogger> >1 hour I think
[08:04] <apachelogger> the kalyptus script is slowing things down pretty much
[08:36] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot070.png
[08:36] <apachelogger> *thumbs up*
[08:55] <\sh> apachelogger: your patch moves pykde4uic.py somewhere else, right?
[08:55] <apachelogger> nope
[08:55] <apachelogger> it makes it +x
[08:55] <apachelogger> and then creates links for both files
[08:56] <apachelogger> +PYTHON_INSTALL(pykdeuic4.py ${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/${PROJECT_NAME} PROGRAM)
[08:56] <apachelogger> the PROGRAM argument is causing the +x
[08:58] <\sh> apachelogger: because now the .links and .install stuff failes
[09:00] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[09:00] <apachelogger> \sh: I didn't try the patch with packaging
[09:00] <apachelogger> my main concern was a working source installation
[09:28] <\sh> apachelogger: Index: python/pykde4/cmake/modules/PythonMacros.cmake
[09:28] <\sh> ===================================================================
[09:28] <\sh> --- python/pykde4/cmake/modules/PythonMacros.cmake	(revision 843103)
[09:28] <\sh> +++ python/pykde4/cmake/modules/PythonMacros.cmake	(working copy)
[09:28] <\sh> @@ -17,8 +17,20 @@
[09:28] <\sh>  MACRO(PYTHON_INSTALL SOURCE_FILE DESINATION_DIR)
[09:28] <\sh>    ADD_CUSTOM_TARGET(compile_python_files ALL)
[09:28] <\sh>  
[09:28] <\sh> +  set(_args ${ARGN})
[09:29] <\sh> +
[09:29] <\sh>    # Install the source file.
[09:29] <\sh> -  INSTALL(FILES ${SOURCE_FILE} DESTINATION ${DESINATION_DIR})
[09:29] <\sh> +  IF(_args)
[09:29] <\sh> +    LIST(GET _args 0 _tmp)
[09:29] <\sh> +    IF("${_tmp}" STREQUAL "PROGRAM")
[09:29] <\sh> +      INSTALL(PROGRAMS ${SOURCE_FILE} DESTINATION ${DESINATION_DIR})
[09:29] <\sh> +      LIST(REMOVE_AT _args 0)
[09:29] <\sh> +    ELSE("${_tmp}" STREQUAL "PROGRAM")
[09:29] <\sh> +      INSTALL(FILES ${SOURCE_FILE} DESTINATION ${DESINATION_DIR})
[09:29] <\sh> +    ENDIF("${_tmp}" STREQUAL "PROGRAM")
[09:29] <\sh> +  ELSE(_args)
[09:29] <\sh> +    INSTALL(FILES ${SOURCE_FILE} DESTINATION ${DESINATION_DIR})
[09:29] <\sh> +  ENDIF(_args)
[09:30] <apachelogger> :S
[09:30] <\sh> apachelogger: chmod: cannot access `debian/python-kde4/usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/pykde4/pykdeuic4.py': No such file or directory <- that's what's happening when using your patch :) so it works
[09:30] <\sh> damn copy&paste crap
[09:31] <\sh> please make old world behaviour come back...selecting a line means copy it to clipboard ,-)
[09:32] <apachelogger> oioi
[09:32] <apachelogger> \sh: can you please paste a complete buildlog?
[09:32] <apachelogger> but please use paste.ubuntu.com :P
[09:32] <\sh> coming ,-)
[09:35] <\sh> apachelogger: http://archive.linux-server.org/kde4bindings.build.log.gz
[09:35] <\sh> apachelogger: hardy version
[09:35] <\sh> ScottK: what's the status of sip4,pyqt4?
[09:38] <apachelogger> hm
[09:38] <apachelogger> ha!
[09:38] <apachelogger> running /usr/bin/cmake -E create_symlink /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyQt4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/pykde4/kde4.py  2>&1
[09:38] <apachelogger> running /usr/bin/cmake -E create_symlink /usr/lib/kde4/bin/pykdeuic4 /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/pykde4/pykdeuic4.py  2>&1
[09:38] <apachelogger> \sh: my guess is the arguments are in wrong order
[09:39] <\sh> apachelogger: the fun part is, that the error message just says: "Dude, it's not at this location..."
[09:39] <apachelogger> I guess it doesn't like symlinks all that much ;-)
[09:40] <\sh> apachelogger: we could go this way: just install pykdeuic4.py directly into the app bin path means: "/usr/lib/kde4/bin" for hardy or "/usr/bin/" for intrepid
[09:40] <\sh> and the second thing I encountered for pykde4 was the symlink to kde4.py into the widget dir of pyqt4..it doesn't honour the python2.4 target ,-)
[09:42] <apachelogger> ${PYTHON_SITE_PACKAGES_DIR} will use whatever version we build against
[09:42] <\sh> apachelogger: yes..but not in the links section of debian/python-kde4-dev.links
[09:42] <apachelogger> does that stuff even work with python2.4?
[09:42]  * apachelogger somehow doubts that
[09:43] <\sh> yes..sip4+pyqt4+pykde4 works with py2.4
[09:43] <apachelogger> well then add a .links
[09:43] <\sh> the question is, do we still support 2.4 in intrepid or do we do the hard switch to py2.5 and let people die a painful death ,-)
[09:44] <\sh> apachelogger: then our packaging is totally cluttered...we only have one package for python-kde4...and no python2.4-kde4 or python2.5-kde4
[09:44] <apachelogger> we ruby guys don't care about that kind of stuff, there is only one true ruby, the most recent one :P
[09:44] <apachelogger> \sh: IMHO screw python2.4
[09:47] <\sh> apachelogger: k
[10:41] <smarter> hey all
[10:47] <jpds> hey smarter
[10:47] <smarter> howdy jpds
[10:50] <Riddell> 7772 e-mails to read, wonder if I can manage that today
[10:51] <davmor2> Riddell: I don't see why not you've got nothing better to do right ;)
[10:52] <davmor2> Riddell: did you get printer-config-kde 0.11 in, in the end?
[10:54] <smarter> hmm, still no language-pack for KDE4/intrepid?
[10:55] <Riddell> davmor2: launchpad says I did
[10:55] <davmor2> :) I'll try it out in a bit :)
[12:01] <davmor2> Riddell works :)
[12:01] <davmor2> Riddell: adept still doesn't :(
[12:03] <Riddell> davmor2: greaqt
[12:03] <Riddell> adept won't work until we get 3.0 beta in
[12:07] <mok0> Something should be done about the collection of bud-ugly wallpapers included with KDE4
[12:13] <Riddell> the what?
[12:14] <Riddell> I love the KDE artwork, but it's an upstream issue
[12:15] <seele> Riddell: is printing config not ready?  i didnt see it on yesterday's live cd
[12:15] <Riddell> hrm, should be
[12:18] <jtechidna> Riddell: PyKDE4 port of Jockey is done
[12:18] <mok0> Ridell, I am talking about the wallpapers other than the default one
[12:18] <jtechidna> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/jockey/jockey-pykde4
[12:18] <Riddell> seele: yep, system-config-printer-kde 0.11 is on
[12:19] <seele> gah.. i even *looked* for it
[12:20] <Riddell> jtechidna: great, able to make packages?
[12:20] <ScottK> \sh: You there?
[12:20] <jtechidna> Riddell: yep, I sent a testing request to the mailing list with a testing request a few days ago
[12:20] <jtechidna> you were at Akademy :P
[12:21] <ScottK> \sh: Both the python-qt4 and sip4 versions you are after are in Debian Experimental.
[12:21] <mok0> Riddell: I am talking about "Alien night", "Appropriately_Left_Handed" etc. yeech
[12:21] <ScottK> \sh: Sip4 I had sync'ed from Experimental and I asked you to look at merging from there, but I gather you didn't get the ping.
[12:22] <seele> Riddell: it isn't listed in system settings on the live CD
[12:22] <seele> (have it loaded now)
[12:22] <Riddell> mok0: right, the kdeartwork module has been forgotten by the artists in favour of filling up kdebase unfortunately.  it's still an upstream issue
[12:22] <Riddell> seele: it's not in system settings, still standalong
[12:22] <Riddell> search for printing in k-menu
[12:23] <mok0> Riddell: Still no reason why we couldn't add a package with beautiful wallpapers
[12:23] <Riddell> mok0: kdebase-workspace-wallpapers
[12:23] <mok0> Riddell: I'll take a look at it
[12:24] <Riddell> seele: it's still woefully incomplete and untidy
[12:24] <seele> Riddell: yes, i see that
[12:25] <seele> Riddell: i suppose Automatic Mouse Click isn't a kcm module and that's why it is in Kickoff as well?
[12:25] <Riddell> seele: right
[12:27] <jtechidna> kubuntu-default-settings in bzr should have that hover stuff disabled by default
[12:28] <jtechidna> could we do another release of that before the next alpha?
[12:28] <jtechidna> or feature freeze
[12:28] <\sh> ScottK: na...I'll take a look later then...but we need to get them in
[12:28] <mok0> Riddell: The kdebase-workspace-wallpapers are much better, but they're all photos and I find that distracting on the desktop... I prefer something more subtle and "artsy" :-)
[12:28] <ScottK> \sh: Absolutely.
[12:29] <mok0> Riddell: I found a Kubuntu version of the Hardy Heron background which I am using now
[12:29] <ScottK> \sh: The merge looked pretty easy, just a couple of things I'm not clear on and so I thought I'd leave it to you.
[12:29] <Riddell> jtechidna: hover stuff?
[12:30] <jtechidna> Riddell: hover-to-click on the tabs
[12:30] <jtechidna> Which we wanted to disable as per https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[12:30] <seele> jtechidna: you mean you turned "switch tabs on hover" off in kickoff settings?
[12:30] <jtechidna> yes
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[12:31] <JontheEchidna> The other stuff for Kickoff on the Todo list wasn't as easy so I didn't do it :P
[12:32] <JontheEchidna> The favorites have been added
[12:32] <Riddell> thanks JontheEchidna
[12:32] <JontheEchidna> "Show names of applications by default" we'd have to patch the Kickoff code
[12:32] <JontheEchidna> Changing the menu back to breadcrumbs would too
[12:33] <JontheEchidna> actually somebody else added the favorites
[12:33] <JontheEchidna> prolly apachelogger
[12:33] <Riddell> moi!
[12:33] <JontheEchidna> or you :P
[12:33] <seele> JontheEchidna: was it show names of applications or show descriptions?
[12:34] <JontheEchidna> show names by default
[12:34] <seele> i thought we were going to turn descriptions on by default (instead of hover) but i dont remember putting the name of the application
[12:34] <seele> hum.. ok
[12:34] <JontheEchidna> would require patching since only the traditional menu offers that setting
[12:35] <seele> so if we're using brand labeling instead of function, should Sound in system settings be relabelled to Phonon?
[12:35] <seele> i notice we are using Solid and Nepomuk instead of Hardware and Search
[12:35] <Riddell> Sound seems wrong since phonon does video too
[12:35] <JontheEchidna> Multimedia?
[12:35] <JontheEchidna> Sound and Video?
[12:35] <Riddell> but strings are best changed upstream
[12:36] <JontheEchidna> We'll be needing a Feature Freeze exception for 4.1.1 btw
[12:37] <Riddell> that won't be a problem
[12:37] <JontheEchidna> cool
[12:37] <seele> if it is Multimedia/Sound and Video, then Solid should be changed to Hardware and Nepomuk changed to Search
[12:38] <seele> they should all match
[12:39] <Riddell> Search doesn't fit for Nepomuk, it's Semantic Wheejum
[12:41] <seele> does it use the metadata for anything besides search?
[12:41] <Riddell> rankings
[12:41] <seele> all the options have to do with strigi
[12:41] <seele> huh
[12:42] <Riddell> in dolphin you rank files with nepomuk
[12:42] <seele> yes.. but are those rankings used for anything besides search?
[12:43] <Riddell> maybe not
[12:43] <seele> there is no sort-by-ranking column afaik
[12:43] <Riddell> and the system settings module does seem to be about Strigi as much as anything
[12:43] <Riddell> so Search is fine
[12:43]  * seele shrugs
[12:43] <Riddell> don't shrug, poke kde-core-devel :)
[12:45] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: btw, I sent an email to Pitti asking for a merge of the pykde4 branch of Jockey to trunk
[12:45] <JontheEchidna> That was ~9 hours ago
[12:46] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: oh, good stuff
[12:46] <JontheEchidna> Haven't heard back but that's expected since he's probably been sleeping
[12:47] <seele> does gnome have a system settings-like meta dialog, or do they only have the System menu?
[12:47] <Riddell> they do but it's turned off in ubuntu
[12:47] <Riddell> not sure how to get it to show
[12:48] <seele> ah.. maybe i can find a screeshot on the interweb
[12:48] <seele> i was looking for suggestions on how they categorize some of their modules, but ubuntu is pretty useless with its two categories
[12:52] <seele> ah, that's right
[12:52] <seele> gnome uses categories on the left as navigation, similar to how we use pages in some dialogs
[12:52] <seele> i wonder if separating categories that way would be confusing since we replace the dialog with the module instead of opening a new dialog
[12:55] <JontheEchidna> Any way we could get sudo-like tab completion for kdesudo?
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> Also software-properties-kde needs PyKDE4
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> widget theme looks like crap with root
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> (launched with kdesudo)
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if I could do a port before the freeze, \o/
[12:59] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you know you want to (shouldn't be hard)
[12:59] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I intend to
[13:00] <JontheEchidna> Would you happen to know the correct way to get trunk into a new bzr branch?
[13:01] <JontheEchidna> Set it to be merged into my branch?
[13:02] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I don't understand
[13:02] <JontheEchidna> I'd like to take a copy of the main branch of software properties into my new branch
[13:03] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you have a branch of software properties and want to update it with the latest trunk?
[13:03] <JontheEchidna> yes
[13:03] <Riddell> bzr merge <trunk URL>
[13:04] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, well I haven't pushed to my new branch yet
[13:05] <JontheEchidna> I've only registered it
[13:05] <seele> JontheEchidna: do all of the apps in kickoff have an obvious name besides its task function?
[13:06] <seele> i assume that the description will now be the task function/description that is currently the label
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> Well you have hex editors called Okteta and music players called Amarok
[13:07] <seele> but not everything has a name, e.g. System Settings or a logical brand name, e.g. KRDC
[13:07] <seele> what will you do for something called KNetAttach though?  keep Network Folder Wizard?
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> I don't know. I don't possess the hacking skills to make those changes
[13:08] <Riddell> seele: I think we want to keep the current behaviour where it shows the generic name in black and just change that it shows the actual name in grey all the time instead of on hover only
[13:09] <seele> ok, that is what i thought we agreed on
[13:09] <seele> but JontheEchidna mentioned flipping it
[13:09] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: do you have the branch on your own machine?
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> nope, I only just registered it with LP
[13:10] <JontheEchidna> I assume I'd do a checkout of trunk and push it there?
[13:11] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you don't need to explicitly register with LP, you can just branch to your local machine then push to launchpad
[13:11] <Riddell> bzr branch <URL>
[13:12] <Riddell> checkout is only for if you want to commit directly back
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, shouldn't be too difficult
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> Oh, and Adept3 is assuming that software-properties-kde is shown in the menu
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> so we either need a .desktop file or a button to launch s-p-kde
[13:30] <Riddell> I'd prefer the latter
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> bbl
[13:34] <seele> hmm.. it's good to see mpt and i are on the same page for some things.  ubuntu is in good hands
[13:39]  * ScottK-laptop is scared.
[13:39]  * ScottK-laptop has just seen his vision for Launchpad usability and that's not encouraging.
[13:39] <Hobbsee> oh?
[13:42] <ScottK-laptop> I think the Launchpad U/I evolution is towards worse and worse.
[13:42] <ScottK-laptop> Not to mention periodic random change sets that only serve to annoy the user.
[13:44] <seele> ScottK-laptop: i dont think he had a lot of control over that
[13:44] <ScottK-laptop> Hobbsee: And to top it off, he's told me in public that because I don't agree that the LP U/I is improving, my views on the subject aren't credible.
[13:44] <seele> haha
[13:44] <seele> well then maybe there are only a few things we agree on
[13:44] <seele> have you guys seen the weird scrollbar proposal going around?
[13:45] <seele> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/popup-scrollbar-concept-demo/
[13:45] <Hobbsee> yeah, well
[13:45] <ScottK-laptop> I've seen the mail.
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[13:47] <Riddell> seele: that looks interesting
[13:48] <seele> Riddell: nooooo! not you too!
[13:48]  * seele puts her head in her hands and cries
[13:50] <Riddell> seele: umm, I mean, it looks like a usability disaster
[13:51] <seele> hehe
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> what the heck is that?
[13:52] <JontheEchidna> you'll pry my traditional scrollbar out of my cold, dead hands
[13:52] <seele> JontheEchidna: someones idea of a more usable scrollbar.  because you know, a scrollbar is so hard to use
[13:52] <JontheEchidna> I lol'd
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[13:52] <Hobbsee> wow.  now i've actually looked at the video...
[13:53]  * Hobbsee notes that pressing the up button on the arrows, below the normal scrollbar, is going to be a recipe for confusion.
[13:54] <seele> you have no target, no affordance, a moving target
[13:55] <seele> the scrollbox below the thumb indicator also creates a strange limit on the bar.  if you click down and the thumb indicator hits the scrollbox, does it go underneath it or does it stop?
[13:55] <seele> he doesnt show what it looks like with keyboard or mousewheel navigation either
[13:55] <Hobbsee> sounds like something launchpad will want to implement :)
[13:55] <seele> ugh
[13:55] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[13:58] <seele> i hope they take the huge list of tags off of the bugs page
[13:59] <seele> really, is it necessary to put 1000+ tags in a single column?  am i really going to page through 100+ screens to look for the one i want?
[14:00] <Hobbsee> seele: it was fine when they only had 10 tags, like in their planning.
[14:00] <Hobbsee> thus, it must be fine forever.  or something.
[14:00] <Hobbsee> or at least until 6+ months after people file bugs on it.
[14:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you get my updates for knetworkmanager and gtk-qt?
[14:05] <ScottK-laptop> seele: I'll tell you what I want in a scrollbar.  In the old mozilla suite, the 'hot' part of the scrollbar went all the way to the edge of the screen so you could just slam your cursor over to the right and click.
[14:08] <seele> ScottK-laptop: don't we do that now?  if you click the scrollbar area below (or above) the thumb indicator it will scroll
[14:09] <ScottK-laptop> If I make a Konqueror window full screen, move all the way to the edge of the screen and click (this is KDE3) nothing happens.
[14:11] <seele> ScottK-laptop: are you using oxygen?
[14:11] <seele> or ozone?  i think ozone has a thicker window border and maybe you are overshooting the hot area
[14:11] <ScottK-laptop> I'm fairly certain I'm using whatever Kubuntu Hardy defaults to.
[14:12] <seele> hmm WORKSFORME? :)
[14:12] <seele> let me change my window theme
[14:13] <ScottK-laptop> seele: My point is it shouldn't be possible to overshoot the hot area.
[14:14] <seele> ScottK-laptop: i agree, the problem is i cant figure out how you are doing that
[14:18]  * ScottK-laptop makes a screenshot.
[14:20] <seele> oh interesting.. tab selection is remembered in kcm modules when you navigate between different modules
[14:21] <ScottK-laptop> seele: You tell me.  What am I running: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/desktop.png
[14:24] <seele> ScottK-laptop: do me a favor and change your window style and see if you still have that problem
[14:24] <seele> i dont have that style installed for some reason
[14:25] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  I didn't remember I changed it, but I guess I did.
[14:27] <seele> do you still have the problem if you change the window theme?
[14:28] <ScottK-laptop> When you say window style, you mean go into Appearance -> Style and change it to something like polyester, right?
[14:29] <seele> Appearance -> Windows
[14:29] <seele> that changes the widgets too
[14:29] <ScottK-laptop> I have Appearance -> Window Decorations?
[14:30] <seele> yes
[14:30] <ScottK-laptop> In polyester there are still about two pixels width that aren't hot.
[14:31] <seele> hmm
[14:42] <Riddell> "So it sounds like Chicago’s own nixteral AKA Richard Johnson will be moving to South Africa tomorrow. Best of luck Richard" huh?
[14:47] <seele> what?  i didn't know SA was even on his list
[14:50] <Riddell> seele: it said it on Planet Ubuntu, so it must be true
[15:01] <seele> lies!
[15:01] <seele> nixternal: ping!
[15:02] <nixternal> no, I am not moving to South Africa...it was a joke at BarCamp to get Freddy to show up...and then he went and blogged it
[15:02] <nixternal> hehe
[15:02] <seele> phew
[15:02] <nixternal> I already said I am moving in with Riddell :P
[15:02] <seele> did you get your new orders?
[15:03] <nixternal> I will sleep in the chincilla cage
[15:03] <nixternal> no more orders for me!
[15:03] <nixternal> unless it is a happy meal :)
[15:03] <seele> i'll send you a blanket.  i hear it is cold and rainy in scottland.  ALL YEAR ROUND
[15:03] <Riddell> the chinchillas have moved out and I'm taking apart the cage today
[15:03] <seele> your service is over?
[15:03] <seele> not a lifer?
[15:03] <nixternal> never a lifer
[15:04] <nixternal> NAVY == Never Again Volunteer Yourself
[15:06] <seele> haha.. i should tell my brother that
[15:08] <nixternal> he already knows that I am sure
[15:11] <Riddell> nixternal: did pinentry-qt4 get packaged?
[15:12] <Riddell> - other desktop environments like Gnome or XFCE.
[15:12] <Riddell> + other desktop environments like GNOME or Xfce.
[15:13] <Riddell> apachelogger_: xfce not an acronym?
[15:14] <Riddell> apachelogger_: why do knetworkmanager icons need to be in hicolour?
[15:14] <apachelogger_> Riddell: lintian cried about xfce
[15:14] <apachelogger_> Riddell: knetworkmanager application icons
[15:14] <Riddell> curious
[15:15] <apachelogger_> otherwise we don't have an icon in KDE 4 :)
[15:15] <nixternal> Riddell: on my list for today
[15:15] <Riddell> apachelogger_: right
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[15:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok, fixed upstream, will upload patch
[15:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: knetworkmanager is in KDE svn?
[15:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: yep http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/knetworkmanager/
[15:19] <apachelogger> ah, cool, didn't know that :)
[15:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: knm and g-q-e uploaded
[15:19] <apachelogger> thank you
[15:19] <Riddell> thank you
[15:59] <Riddell> anyone want to update meta-kde?
[16:02] <nixternal> Riddell: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/pinentry-qt4
[16:02] <nixternal> I didn't see that the other day
[16:04] <Riddell> nixternal: does it work?
[16:04] <Riddell> nixternal: can I sync it?
[16:04] <nixternal> checking now
[16:22] <nixternal> Riddell: it works, you can sync it
[16:30] <Riddell> nixternal: thanks
[16:31]  * JontheEchidna is back
[17:06] <seele> Riddell: are you on kde-core-devel?
[17:07] <nixternal> what directory is kde4 docs HTML/en/common under in Intrepid?
[17:10] <nixternal> /usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/common ?
[17:17] <Riddell> seele: I don't read it much
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: I think so
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/softwareproperties.jpg
[17:20] <seele> Riddell: so apparently not everyone knows what the future plans for nepomuk is.  "Desktop Search" is a good label for it, but apparently it will do more than search in the future (what that is, i'm not sure)
[17:21] <seele> i'm going to submit a kde bug to change the labels in system settings, but if it doesnt get done we should just patch
[17:21] <seele> most people seemed ok with desktop search
[17:21] <Riddell> nixternal: yes
[17:23] <Riddell> seele: there were a bunch of possible uses listed in the Nepomuk talk at akademy, I can't currently remember any
[17:23] <Riddell> seele: want me to change the labels in trunk?
[17:24] <seele> Riddell: i dont know if anything not related to search is in the immediate future anyway
[17:25] <seele> Riddell: yeah sure, Sound = "Sound and Video" or "Multimedia" (dont care which), Solid = "Hardware", Nepomuk = "Desktop Search"
[17:50] <jtechidna> Riddell: Port is just about done
[17:50] <jtechidna> But I get a nasty crash when I close it :/
[17:51] <jtechidna> jonathan@jonathan-desktop:~/Documents/python/software-properties/pykde4$ kdesudo python software-properties-kde
[17:51] <jtechidna> kdesudo(16647) KdeSudo::KdeSudo: [ /build/buildd/kdesudo-3.2/kdesudo/kdesudo.cpp : 157 ]  creating xauth file:  "/usr/bin/xauth -q -f /tmp/kdesudo-T16647-xauth generate :0 . trusted timeout60 >/dev/null 2>&1"
[17:51] <jtechidna> /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apt/__init__.py:18: FutureWarning: apt API not stable yet
[17:51] <jtechidna>   warnings.warn("apt API not stable yet", FutureWarning)
[17:51] <jtechidna> no updateFalse
[17:51] <jtechidna> KCrash: Application 'software-properties-kde' crashing...
[17:51] <jtechidna> I was unaware python apps crashed
[17:52] <Riddell> hmm, means some fiddly thing is happening like the KApplication being deleted
[17:52] <jtechidna> whee
[17:52] <jtechidna> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/software-properties/pykde4
[17:55] <jtechidna> I think that rev536 contains the only changes that could cause the crash
[18:03] <jtechidna> or maybe not
[18:03] <jtechidna> hmm
[18:13] <jtechidna> Maybe I need to port the OptionParser stuff to kde...
[18:16] <nixternal> Riddell: uploading new kubuntu-docs package...the new base of the docs future
[18:34] <Riddell> jtechidna: no obvious problems
[18:34] <Riddell> nixternal: great!
[18:36] <Riddell> "*** glibc detected *** python: corrupted double-linked list: 0x0a6be6f0 ***"
[18:46] <Riddell> jtechidna: this fixes it http://paste.ubuntu.com/38551/
[18:47] <Riddell> jtechidna: I've seen this problem before and I believe there's a workaround, but I can't remember what
[18:51] <Riddell> jtechidna: maybe e-mail simon edwards and ask if he knows
[18:52] <Riddell> jtechidna: the command line parser stuff may well not work, kcmlineargs will complain that options are used it doesn't know about
[18:56] <jtechidna> Riddell: thanks
[18:57] <jtechidna> yeah, the option parser stuff is broke
[19:25] <jtechidna> Riddell: http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/static/Docs/PyKDE4/faq.html#faq-exit
[19:26] <Riddell> jtechidna: hmm
[19:26] <Riddell> jtechidna: sounds easy to fix
[19:27] <jtechidna> Change the ui file to be a main window?
[19:28] <jtechidna> Jockey uses a dialog and not a main window
[19:28] <jtechidna> I wonder why it works
[19:29] <Riddell> jtechidna: just create a KMainWindows and call setMainWidget(self.userinterface)
[19:29] <Riddell> (or whatever that method is called)
[19:32] <jjesse_> nixternal: hey don't mess with my commits of kubuntu-docs :)
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[19:33] <nixternal> jjesse: system-settings?
[19:33] <nixternal> that was the only update I saw
[19:33] <jjesse> yeah system settings ;)
[19:33] <jjesse> started to work on them
[19:35] <jtechidna> Ah!
[19:35] <jtechidna> It's setCentralWidget
[19:40] <Nightrose> Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/257993 in case you were not aware of that
[19:40] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 257993 in amarok "Insecure creation of magnatune temp files" [Low,In progress]
[19:41] <jtechidna> Oh hey I reported that
[19:45] <Riddell> ah, cool
[19:49] <jtechidna> Riddell: anything obviously wrong with this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/38568/
[19:49] <jtechidna> The window shows for a second then disappears
[19:53] <Riddell> jtechidna: try self.mainWindow = KMainWindow()
[19:56] <jtechidna> Riddell: Same results
[19:56] <jtechidna> maybe we need a self.mainWindow.show()?
[19:57] <jtechidna> whoa, it works
[19:57] <jtechidna> window size is a bit off
[19:57] <jtechidna> but it works
[19:57] <jtechidna> ...and still crashes
[19:57] <jtechidna> -_-
[19:59] <jtechidna> I guess that wasn't the problem?
[20:00] <Riddell> guess not :(
[20:02] <jtechidna> Maybe OptionParser is passing stuff on to KApplication that KApplication can't deal with?
[20:03] <jtechidna> brb
[20:06] <jtechidna> hmm, but optionparser just passes stuff on to the SoftwarePropertiesKDE class
[20:10]  * jtechidna is stumped
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[20:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: gtk-qt-engine_1.1+svn20080816-0ubuntu1.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 1.1+svn20080816-0ubuntu1 <= 1:0.8-2ubuntu3
[20:43] <Riddell> add an epoch?
[20:48] <ScottK> Nooooooooo!
[20:49] <Riddell> ScottK: no?
[20:49] <ScottK> Does Debian have this package?
[20:49] <ScottK> Once we have the epoch and they don't, we're kind of screwed aren't we?
[20:50] <Riddell> ScottK: we already have the epoch
[20:51] <Riddell> that's the problem
[20:51] <Riddell> dunno about debian
[20:51] <ScottK> Ah
[20:51] <ScottK> Lovely.
[20:52] <ScottK> Debian has the epoch too.
[20:52] <Riddell> sorted
[20:52] <Riddell> I'll add and re-upload
[20:52] <ScottK> gtk-qt-engine |    1:0.8-4 |      unstable | source, alpha, amd64, arm, armel, hppa, hurd-i386, i386, ia64, m68k, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc
[20:55] <seele> what's an epoch?
[20:56] <Riddell> seele: when someone messes up the version number and we need to upload a version with a smaller number you can add an epoch to the package version number
[20:57] <Riddell> all KDE packages are at 4:4.1.0 where the first 4 is the epoch because a certain chap called Kulow messed up the versioning four times when he was a Debian packager :)
[20:57] <seele> aah, ok
[20:57] <seele> thanks
[20:58] <seele> how did he screw it up four times?  by himself?
[21:00] <Riddell> it started with cvs revision numbers I think, then something like 1.0beta which is bigger than 1.0
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[21:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: the coolo kulow?
[22:00]  * apachelogger was already wondering ;-)
[22:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: there's only one :)
[22:28] <apachelogger> :D
[23:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: now we have kde4 kdebluetooth, shouldn't we change the seeds for desktop-recommends ?
[23:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/akonadi_1.0.0-0ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.diff
[23:09] <apachelogger> we really need a version control for the packaging
[23:15] <ScottK> It'd be great to have some that wasn't so slow the heat death of the universe may come before you finish your checkout.
[23:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure, go ahead
[23:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: ok will do tomorrow ;)
[23:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: time to bed for me