[02:22]  * DarkWave43302 is not here at present: Gone away for now.
[02:22]  * DarkWave43302_AF has returned.
[02:23]  * DarkWave43302 is not here at present: Gone away for now.
[04:09] <DanaG> Argh, I suspended one laptop and then resumed it... and all my touchpad settings are gone!
[04:09] <DanaG> What gives?
[04:09] <DanaG> Even if I go to Mouse preferences and disable tapping..... it still does tapping.
[04:10] <DanaG> And synclient no longer works!
[04:10] <DanaG> That's just plain screwed up.
[04:11]  * RAOF throws launchpad.net at DanaG 
[04:11] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and on that laptop, even though the network passphrase is stored in the Login keyring.... it still asks me to unlock it.
[04:17] <DanaG> Aah: "Keep in mind that, even in a perfect world, pam_keyring will still not work if you set gdm to autologin to your main account."
[04:19] <DanaG> aah, I figured it out.
[04:21] <DanaG> Fixed it.
[04:26] <DanaG> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=439386
[04:26] <DanaG> ah.
[04:30] <DanaG> Yay.
[04:30] <DanaG> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/tree/config/x11-input.fdi
[05:01] <alex_mayorga> any Inspiron 1501 owners?
[05:11] <LSD|Ninja> Try asking about your specific problem with it
[05:14] <RAOF> Anyone here do dual-head with metacity?
[05:30] <alex_mayorga> just wanting to get Bug 121111 confirmed?
[05:31] <valiant8086> Hi all 142 users. Is this the ubuntu support channel? There's so many of them I haven't a clue if I picked the one indicated by the download page
[05:31] <RAOF> valiant8086: You're after #ubuntu; this is discussion of the development release, Intrepid Ibex.
[05:39] <valiant8086> Hi.
[05:40] <valiant8086> er, sorry, didn't need to say hi again, heh. but anyway, I'm downloading 8.04. Is this the right place to ask a question about dual booting with a system that's already dual booting xp and vista?
[05:41] <RAOF> valiant8086: Not really; you'd be after #ubuntu.
[05:41] <valiant8086> darn, heh, so just plain ubuntu. wonder if I can just get mirc to connect directly instead of looking through over 300 channels
[05:41] <gnomefreak> triple booting is a pain atleast it ws for me
[05:41] <RAOF> valiant8086: I'd suggest that "/join #ubuntu" is likely to work.
[05:42] <RAOF> It's a bit noisy, but you should hopefully be able to get an answer there.  If not, ubuntuforums is a good resource.  And there's always google; most questions have been asked and answered before.
[05:42] <valiant8086> yeah and it really should be for me since dual booting vista and xp is already a pain
[05:43] <valiant8086> ok, I think I'll part and see if I can go confuse someone
[05:43] <valiant8086> latesx
[05:43] <valiant8086> er
[05:43] <valiant8086> rofl
[05:51] <DanaG> Argh, it's way hard to tweak the touchpad tap time when even normal clicking is
[05:51] <DanaG> ........
[05:51] <DanaG> lagging.
[05:57] <DanaG> Argh, stupid nvidia.
[05:58] <alex_mayorga> DanaG: does shutdown works for you?
[05:59] <DanaG> Nope, it goes to logon screen for me.;
[06:01] <alex_mayorga> Bug 250506 it is
[06:02] <alex_mayorga> it's rather popular that bugger
[06:04] <Fredd> how come its not an issue to add 3rd party soucres with the "hardy" tag to ibex?
[06:05] <RAOF> Fredd: What makes you think it isnt? :)
[06:05] <Fredd> well i added the wine 1.1.2 sources for hardy and they are working fine
[06:05] <Fredd> other than wine phails
[06:06] <RAOF> Yup, that'll be the case.  Sometimes.
[06:07] <RAOF> Basically, packages from other series aren't guaranteed to be installable (because they depend on packages not in Intrepid), or less often because a lib broke its ABI.
[06:07] <JollyGiant> RAOF: although WINE itself is rather resilient to such things if you override the package dependencies
[06:08] <JollyGiant> You might end up missing features because of missing and/or changed libraries but it should still somewhat work
[07:00] <DanaG> RAOF: I want to try out nouveau on that old laptop, but xserver-xorg-video-nouveau depends on the unavailable linux-nouveau-modules; how do I build that?
[07:00] <DanaG> It doesn't show up in module-assistant, and I don't remember offhand how to build modules while not in a full source tree dir.
[07:00] <RAOF> DanaG: drm-modules is the thing you should find in module-assistant.
[07:01] <RAOF> DanaG: The nouveau wiki has instructions, but basically you just need to build the drm-modules module-assistant package.
[07:01] <DanaG> aah, drm-modules, not nouveau.
[07:01] <RAOF> At some point I'll play with dkms and remove the module-assistant fun entirely.
[07:04] <DanaG> Cool.
[07:04] <DanaG> So the drm-modules 'provides' nouveau-modules, right?
[07:04] <RAOF> Right.
[07:04] <RAOF> It does so for hysterical raisins.
[07:04] <DanaG> Dang, now I'm kinda' hungry.
[07:05] <DanaG> =P
[07:06] <DanaG> So, what is nouveau currently capable of?
[07:07] <RAOF> Fast 2d, dual head.
[07:07] <RAOF> Oh, and bicubic Xv rescaling.
[07:08] <RAOF> If you feel the need to play with unfinished stuff, it'll do OpenArena pretty well.  On nv4x, at least.
[07:08] <DanaG> Aah, it'll be good not to have LAAAAG even on things as simple as switching tabs in a console.
[07:08] <DanaG> nv4x?  Can't say I know nvidia's numbering very well.
[07:09] <RAOF> Geforece 6 & 7.
[07:09] <DanaG> For example, my GeForce Go 7600 is G73... but I didn't know the 'NV#" name.
[07:09] <RAOF> nv4x.
[07:09] <DanaG> I'll be using Nouveau on the one that was using the 71.xx drivers for the GeForce 4-is-really-a-2 420 Go.
[07:09] <unfold> (off topic)  has anyone here dual booted ubuntu w/ leopard?
[07:10] <RAOF> Specifically, that's the number that nouveau reads from the chip on start.
[07:10] <unfold> :)
[07:10] <RAOF> I presume that your geforce 4MX will be a nv2x chip.
[07:11] <RAOF> (TNT2 is nv04, the earliest card supported by nouveau)
[07:11] <crdlb> no, that's TNT
[07:11] <RAOF> Oh, I lie then.
[07:11] <RAOF> TNT2 is...?
[07:11]  * crdlb has one :>
[07:12] <crdlb> 05 or 06
[07:12] <RAOF> Well, then, nouveau goes all the way down to TNT.
[07:14] <RAOF> crdlb: How does nouveau go on your TNT?
[07:14] <fargiolas> hi, I need an help/suggestion about intrepid upgrade
[07:15] <fargiolas> update-manager -d was killed (my fault :P) before the end
[07:16] <fargiolas> rerunning it did nothing, it tried to upgrade packages but nothing happened because there was some error with apt libs
[07:17] <fargiolas> it has no crash recovery system..
[07:17] <fargiolas> I almost solved everything (I think) running dpkg --configure -a, apt-get -f install and upgrading everything
[07:18] <fargiolas> but I'd like to know if update-manager does anything else after package upgrading that I should do manually
[07:19] <danbhfive> fargiolas: i think it might remove obsolete packages
[07:19] <fargiolas> autoremove?
[07:19] <danbhfive> well, it would remove obsolete packages, not quite the same as apt-get autoremove
[07:20] <DanaG> Hmm, I see no visible difference between nv and Nouveau on that old laptop.
[07:20] <DanaG> Wait, dpms is working better than nv, at least.
[07:20] <fargiolas> danbhfive: ok but I think it calls dpkg/apt to do it right? so there is surely a way to do things manually
[07:21] <DanaG> Aah:
[07:22] <DanaG> .. but that's for 3D, right?  I don't really plan to do 3D on it.
[07:22] <danbhfive> fargiolas: yeah, dpkg.  but, you would have to know which packages to remove, or use something like deborphan
[07:22] <RAOF> DanaG: ??
[07:22]  * fargiolas looks at deborphan
[07:23] <danbhfive> fargiolas: regardless, clean installs are best  : P
[07:24] <RAOF> DanaG: It should do dual-head better than nv, I think.  It might be a bit faster than nv, too, but your card is both less powerful and less well supported than my nv4x :)
[07:24] <fargiolas> danbhfive: sure but I have no time do it now and I needed a couple of new libraries..
[07:25] <DanaG> Oh, it does do 2D composite better.
[07:25] <fargiolas> anyway update-manager *should* have some kind of crash recovery system, it's too critical to fail if killed
[07:25] <DanaG> Aah, geforce2 is nv11 and nv14; 4mx is 17 and 18.
[07:25] <danbhfive> well then I suspect that you wont care much about remove obsolete files.  If they conflict with anything, they will get removed anyway
[07:26] <DanaG> GeForce 6 (NV4x)
[07:26] <DanaG> GeForce 7 (G7x)
[07:26] <DanaG> that's what it lists as names.
[07:26] <RAOF> DanaG: From where?  Because G7x is also nv4x ;)
[07:26] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and now it's not mad-flickery like it was before.
[07:26] <DanaG> Look in xorg log.
[07:27] <RAOF> DanaG: Yeah.  There's both nv4x and G7x
[07:27] <DanaG> (II) NOUVEAU driver for NVIDIA chipset families :    (and that list).
[07:27] <RAOF> DanaG: Oooh.  If it's a laptop, you'll also get pretty dithering.
[07:27] <RAOF> That's quite nice for those with 6-bit laptop panels.
[07:27] <RAOF> (ie: almost everyone).
[07:27] <DanaG> Yeah, it looked like crap before.
[07:28] <DanaG> Worst laptop I've ever used: P2 266 with NeoMagic.
[07:28] <DanaG> 16-bit color LCD.
[07:28] <DanaG> NOt 18.  16.
[07:28] <RAOF> 565?  Crazy.
[07:28] <DanaG> ... and only 2.5 megs of video RAM.
[07:29] <DanaG> 2.5 megs of video RAM wasn't enough to even DRAW the desktop at 32-bit, regardless of LCD type.
[07:29] <fargiolas> another thing, did anything change with restricted drivers, kernel module management? I had nvperfkit nvidia drivers installed manually and intrepid uses them with no complain and lists them in restricted manager.. that surely did not happen in hardy
[07:29] <DanaG> I'm not entirely sure about that panel, actualy.
[07:30] <DanaG> Odd: no 3D DRI.  Direct Rendering: no.
[07:30] <RAOF> Yeah, that's right.
[07:31] <RAOF> You'll need to do more than install my packages to get 3d (and 3d is hideously unfinished for < nv3x).
[07:31] <RAOF> I don't distribute the 3d part in deference to upstream's wishes.
[07:32] <DanaG> Aah.  What's the reasoning?
[07:32] <RAOF> You can play with the gallium-0.1 branch of their mesa tree, if you want; it's fairly easy (nouveau wiki has details)
[07:32] <DanaG> Eeh, on a GPU that old, on a spare system, it's not worth bothering with.
[07:32] <RAOF> DanaG: The reasoning?  It's horribly unfinished, the devs know it, and shipping it in a package gives an untrue impression of supportedness.
[07:33] <RAOF> Basically, they don't need testing of the 3d; there's tons of easy work to do.
[07:33] <DanaG> Aah.
[07:34] <DanaG> Zwhoa, suspend and resume worked.
[07:35] <DanaG> Yes, "Zwhoa"
[07:35] <RAOF> What, with nouveau?  LIES!
[07:35] <DanaG> Yeah, with nouveau.
[07:35] <DanaG> Perhaps Ubuntu's scripts did something about it.
[07:35] <DanaG> Heh, and my ssh session into the box also resumed.
[07:36] <RAOF> Hm.  Maybe the 'support some sort of suspend/resume with < nv3x' patches got into the main tree.
[07:37] <DanaG> Does Nouveau get along with nvidiafb?
[07:37] <fargiolas> another little question: is there a way to get boot messages back while waitning for the uvesafb bug to be fixed?
[07:37] <RAOF> Very much no.
[07:38] <RAOF> fargiolas: For you, yes.  Just remove the 'splash' from your grub line.
[07:38] <fargiolas> RAOF: no splash in the grub line, "ro quiet vga=791"
[07:38] <RAOF> fargiolas: Oh, then you can remove the vga bit.
[07:39] <RAOF> That's not going to work until uvesafb is fixed!
[07:39] <fargiolas> RAOF: thanks that's what I wanted to know :P (too lazy to try it ;)) let's remove that vga bit then
[07:47] <DanaG> Odd... after DPMS power off and restore... it goes back to being all flickery.
[07:48]  * RAOF is frankly amazed that it survived a suspend.
[07:48] <RAOF> Oh, the other thing nouveau can get you is kernel modesetting on nv5x, should I build drm from that particular branch.
[07:49] <DanaG> NV5?  What's that one?
[07:49] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I think the flickering is just the LCD warming up.
[07:49] <DanaG> This LCD in that laptop is really odd...
[07:49] <RAOF> nv5x. AKA g80/g90, AKA geforce {8,9}
[07:49] <DanaG> Picture this: take every set of adjacent frames sent to the thing, and apply a horizontal-blinds effect between them.
[07:50] <DanaG> Aah, I don't own such a card; after my 7600, I'm going to ATI next.
[08:13] <LSD|Ninja> Is Network Manager failing to automatically reconnect to a wireless network after a remote disconnect (as in, an AP/router crash) a bug or a feature?
[08:21] <LSD|Ninja> Also, why does an auto-hidden task bar cause windows to move upward/downward when it rolls in/out?
[08:41] <DanaG> Hmm, does the packaged Murrine now do transparency?
[08:42] <DanaG> I'm getting semitransparent menubars and such.
[08:42] <Sebastian> Is http://phpfi.com/344807 a known issue?
[08:43] <Sebastian> (Or maybe there is no issue)
[08:43] <RAOF> DanaG: Yes.
[08:45] <vpelcak> hi all
[08:48] <zniavre> DanaG:  and roundness menu for application with plugins (rhythmbox   eg)
[08:49] <DanaG> Roundness menu?
[08:49] <zniavre> yes   :o)
[08:49] <DanaG> I'm asking what you mean; that's not a yes or no question.  =P
[08:49] <DanaG> Argh, Xorg is using 40% CPU, and making everything slow.
[08:49] <zniavre> menu with radius
[08:50] <zniavre> wait a shaot 2sec
[08:50] <zniavre> shot*
[08:51] <zniavre> http://img28.picoodle.com/data/img28/3/8/18/f_radiusmenum_50466df.jpg
[08:51] <DanaG> Ugh, at 40% CPU, it's way not usable.
[08:51] <DanaG> Aah, "rounded"
[08:51] <zniavre> sorry
[08:51] <zniavre> rounded  >added to brain
[08:52] <DanaG> Or you could say "rounded corners on menus" or something like that.
[08:52] <zniavre> ok
[08:53] <DanaG> I wish I could get the Murrine engine to match the Nodoka engine as closely as looks good (and I actually LIKE the rounded scrollbars in Nodoka).
[08:53] <DanaG> http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png
[08:53] <DanaG> http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka-2.png
[08:54] <DanaG> There's a slight difference there.
[08:55] <DanaG> Is nouveau not doing acceleration on Composite, or is it just that that video chip is weaksauce?  (heh, weaksauce.)
[08:56] <RAOF> DanaG: Nouveau _should_ be accelerating Composite; check in Xorg.0.log that it's enabled (and ensure that ShadowFB isn't).
[08:56] <DanaG> It's also a weak CPU; P4-Celeron 1.6GHz.
[08:58] <DanaG> I like orange; it's a cool color.
[08:59] <DanaG> It says composite is enabled; enabling overlay with smart blitter fallback.
[09:00] <RAOF> Why not pastebin the log; that's always fun.
[09:00] <zniavre> Nouveau the free nvidia driver is in intrepid ?
[09:01] <bazhang> !info nouveau
[09:01] <zniavre> :o(
[09:01] <zniavre> thank you bazhang
[09:01] <LSD|Ninja> zniavre: Don't bother with it yet, you're better odff sticking with nv
[09:01] <RAOF> !nouveau | zniavre this is what you're thinking of
[09:02] <LSD|Ninja> Nouveau doesn't do 3D yet and only barely works in 2D. Without 3D support it really is no better than nv
[09:03] <RAOF> LSD|Ninja: "Barely does 2d" isn't really accurate, unless you're talking about nv5x.
[09:04] <LSD|Ninja> RAOF: Even the team behind it don't guarantee the 2D half, they say as much on their site
[09:04] <RAOF> Right.  Guarantee != barely works.
[09:05] <RAOF> It's certainly still experimental, and things can (and occasionally do) break.
[09:06] <RAOF> But it's quite usable for 2d right now; much of the breakage is 'it doesn't build against $NEW_KERNEL_VERSION'
[09:06] <LSD|Ninja> Point still stands though, if you're going in to it thinking it's a silver bullet for nVidia ills you're going to be sorely disappointed
[09:06] <RAOF> Right.
[09:07] <DanaG> I wouldn't mind the binary drivers on this old laptop.... but they don't work at all.  Won't even start Xorg.
[09:07] <RAOF> Although I'd be happy to recommend it to anyone who's satisfied with nv (and has a card older than a geforce 8)
[09:07] <DanaG> s/this/the/
[09:07] <DanaG> I'd say, use nouveau only for things not supported by 173 or 177 drivers.
[09:07] <LSD|Ninja> It has no advantage over nv atm though, there's really no point in going to all the trouble to get it going
[09:08] <DanaG> Isn't it supposedly better at 2D?
[09:08] <DanaG> ... or is it not really?
[09:08] <RAOF> It's faster, and has better quality stuff.  And possibly does dual-head better, but I haven't tested recent nv.
[09:08] <DanaG> I'd believe that it does look better.
[09:08] <RAOF> Certainly on an 18-bit panel it will; it's got better dithering.
[09:09] <LSD|Ninja> It still looks/feels as crap as nV here
[09:09] <RAOF> It's got blob-equivalent dithering.  I'm not quite sure why nv doesn't do that, actually.
[09:09] <DanaG> Heh, now some workstation laptops are coming out with full 24-bit panels.
[09:09] <DanaG> That's 8 bits per color.
[09:10] <LSD|Ninja> I doubt most people could really tell teh diff between an 18 bit and a 24 bit panel. Those that can probably shouldn't be using LCDs anyway.
[09:10] <DanaG> HP has a "DreamColor" desktop monitor with 10 bits per pixel (and thus 30 bit color).
[09:10] <DanaG> oh yeah, pastebin: http://pastebin.com/f3724ac39
[09:10] <RAOF> LSD|Ninja: You're right; my external LCD is 24bit, my laptop is 18bit.  Once proper dithering is turned on, I can't tell the difference (in their colour reproduction, at least).
[09:11] <RAOF> It's easy to notice broken dithering, though, and nv has broken dithering.
[09:12] <DanaG> I do find it funny that my 17" laptop LCD is so much dimmer than the LCDs on every one of the 4 or so old laptops we have around here.
[09:15] <DanaG> Eeh, it's not "so much"... but it definitely is dimmer.
[09:16] <Lunks> Hey =) some keys are missing from my keyboard since going to intrepid.
[09:16] <Lunks> I mean, just one.
[09:18] <bronson> Drat, the FF print dialog shows up all black in Compiz.
[09:18] <bronson> Looks like I need to turn desktop effects off in Intrepid too.
[09:18] <LSD|Ninja> At least you can turn them on :P
[09:18] <Lunks> And I also got a fireworks show on second restart instead of the ubuntu loading screen.
[09:18] <DanaG> Somebody needs to put that Evdev thingy in the topic of the channel.
[09:18] <Lunks> DanaG: already set as evde
[09:18] <Lunks> DanaG: already set as evdev*
[09:18] <bronson> LSD|Ninja, true.
[09:19] <bronson> I'd trade with someone who really wants effects.
[09:19] <bronson> I don't really care about them so if they're buggy at all, off they go.
[09:20] <bronson> erm, evdev thingy?
[09:22] <DanaG> yeah, setting keyboard to "evdev managed keyboard"
[09:22] <DanaG> Lunks: whaddaya' mean by "missing" -- that can actually be interpreted or defined several ways.
[09:23] <Lunks> missing as in I press it and it's just ain't there.
[09:23] <Lunks> missing as in I press it and it's just ain't there.
[09:23] <DanaG> What key?
[09:23] <Lunks> haha that should be tricky
[09:23] <Lunks> / question mark
[09:24] <Lunks> well, /
[09:24] <Lunks> question mark on shift. well, I believe you know what I'm talking about. :P
[09:24] <DanaG> Aah.
[09:24] <DanaG> Funky.
[09:25] <Lunks> So far, I've only missed this one.
[09:26] <Lunks> You are probably aware of this, but apart from it, keyboard is set correctly.
[09:35] <DanaG> 1:35 AM here.  Time for bed.
[09:36] <Lunks> haha
[09:37] <DanaG> Well past time, in fact.
[09:37] <Lunks> 05h37, bed time converted on intrepid
[09:38] <DanaG> !info fancontrol
[09:38] <DanaG> odd.
[09:39] <DanaG> Somehow I have a 'fancontrol' running.
[09:39] <DanaG> !find fancontrol
[09:39] <DanaG> aah.
[09:39] <zniavre> speedfan may be ?
[10:35] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[10:46] <vpelcak> hi all
[10:48] <vpelcak> I upgraded to Ibex (to help with bugreporting), but now i cannot boot. I ran failsafe and it stopped at configuration of network interfaces. How can i skip it? I sonnect to wpa encrypted wifi by using knetworkmanager after login.
[10:50] <Lunks> vpelcak: have you tried safe mode?
[10:50] <Lunks> oh you did
[10:50] <Lunks> you can probably use a livecd and chroot to your installation
[10:51] <Lunks> then remove networks from startup (forgot the cmdline)
[11:12] <AnRkey> is there a reason why a qt based app cant see any printers in 8.04.1?
[11:14] <joaopinto> AnRkey, this channel is for intrepid , not Hardy
[11:17] <gnomefreak> AnRkey: please ask in #ubuntu
[11:17] <gnomefreak> or better yet #kubuntu
[12:47] <mifritscher> hi
[12:47] <mifritscher> have 2 new problems
[12:47] <mifritscher> 1. the backliht keys don't work (ibm x61t)
[12:47] <mifritscher> 2. the mosue optioins are ignored now
[12:47] <mifritscher> (need them too configure the idle mouse key + stick act as a wheel)
[12:51] <mifritscher> ah, and a 3 problem: glxgears is a lot slower
[12:52] <vpelcak> Lunks: Sorry for delayed reply, I was busy. Is there any other way to interrupt network setup during boot?
[12:52] <mifritscher> but openarena works fine
[13:08] <mifritscher> where can I but these settings now?
[13:21] <vpelcak> mifritscher: try "glxinfo | grep render"
[13:26] <mifritscher> k
[13:26] <mifritscher> seems to be ok
[13:26] <mifritscher> direct rendering: yes
[13:26] <mifritscher> the renderer is intel dri
[13:26] <mifritscher> the only error message is Failed to initialize TTM buffer manager.  Falling back to classic.
[14:20] <mifritscher> a 4. Problem: Rotation lasts a lot longer now...
[14:20] <Pici> !bugs
[14:27] <mifritscher> Pici: was that an answer to mee?
[14:27] <mifritscher> I'm already active there ;)
[15:25] <IdleOne> have not received any updates in a couple days. is this normal or is there some sort of freeze going on?
[15:26] <Pici> My updates have been coming in fine..
[15:26] <IdleOne> hmmm
[15:26] <IdleOne> I was not able to boot up this morning with latest kernel
[15:27] <IdleOne> but last update I got had some xorg updates in it also
[15:27] <IdleOne> so not sure which is the issue
[15:28] <IdleOne>  2.6.26-5-generic shows me the splash screen and load bar but then I get a black screen
[15:28] <IdleOne> so I assume it is xorg issue
[15:29] <IdleOne> Pici, when was your last update?
[15:31] <IdleOne> strange I just started update-manager and am getting 13 updates. but not getting the notification icon in panel
[15:31] <Pici> IdleOne: I just got one no
[15:31] <Pici> w
[15:31] <IdleOne> guess the update icon is broke
[16:27] <mvo> IdleOne: have you applied the udpates yet? if not, could you please run /usr/share/update-notifier/apt-check ?
[16:27] <Lunks> vpelcak: not sure. I mean, you have to have access to your hdd
[16:27] <Lunks> and if you have it, just using a livecd should be the easier, if not, the only way
[16:28] <IdleOne> mvo, : /usr/share/update-notifier/apt-check: No such file or directory
[16:29] <skel> can anyone with a digg account please check out this link and vote for it if you feel its worthy: http://digg.com/software/Open_Source_software_sold_with_violated_GPL_license =]
[16:30] <IdleOne> firefox is acting up big time.
[16:31] <mvo> IdleOne: sorry, /usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-check is the correct path
[16:31] <IdleOne> mvo, ok it's done
[16:31] <IdleOne> no updates
[16:33] <IdleOne> be back later
[17:15] <hdevalence> Does Kubuntu Intrepid use KDE 4.1?
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> Yes
[17:18] <hdevalence> JontheEchidna: sweet, thanks
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> You're welcome
[17:19] <Turski> is kde3 still available for interpid?
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> Nope
[17:20] <JontheEchidna> Only where a stable release of an app doesn't exist, like k3b for example
[17:20] <JontheEchidna> or konversation
[17:20] <JontheEchidna> etc
[17:20] <Turski> ok..
[18:37] <qaws> hi, are there any updates in Intrepid last week?
[19:12] <Muppeteer> Hai guise
[19:32] <asfak> adept manager is not working in kub8.10 alpha4
[19:34] <asfak> no gdebi like in Kubuntu 8.10 ?
[19:42] <fyrestrtr> is the new theme finalized?
[20:00] <Ayabara> !info digikam-kde4
[20:43] <e\ectro_> /quit
[20:59] <PolitikerALT> I got a problem with firefox/swfdec (+flashblock): Whenever a flash item appears, I get an additional window (with no title). If I close it, firefox closes/crashes (?) too.
[21:09] <PolitikerALT> my system boot time is really long; especially vol_id it taking a long time - can anybody have a glance at my bootchart and maybe tell me what to do? http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8355/intrepid200808168ls0.png
[21:30] <e\ectro_> looks like there is an issue with cairo-dock
[21:36] <fargiolas> is there any known problem with nautilus and drag and drop? I cannot move files nor copy them nor change icon position with the mouse
[21:51] <dupondje> Is there a channel for the network manager ?
[22:39] <mifritscher> re
[22:39] <mifritscher> found the solution about the middle button-scroll: http://mvogt.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/xorg-evdev-and-emulatewheel/
[22:39] <mifritscher> perhaps that could be included?
[23:20] <tomasko> did adobe flash plugin + firefox just suddenly getting really slow for anyone else?
[23:21] <tomasko> sites that worked well with flash just a few days ago suddenly display _all actions_ (clickable buttons, streaming video, etc.) very slowly
[23:25] <Lunks> Hey, I've got new weird things Intrepid has been making to my computer.
[23:26] <Lunks> Instead of a loading screen, I get retro-art (really cool b/w patterns)
[23:27] <Lunks> And fn+f7, fn+f8 which controls brightness aren't detected by Ubuntu, so no fancy brightness level
[23:35] <tomasko> Lunks: you may need to configure such things with xev and xmonad
[23:36] <Lunks> I'm sorry, I didn't understand tomasko
[23:36] <tomasko> if you're using gnome, i can't really say what you need to do to configure it. the only reason i'm on intrepid is that kde 4.1 is on it stock
[23:39] <tomasko> er, sorry not xmonad, xmodmap
[23:39] <Lunks> But what does xev do
[23:39] <tomasko> xev gives you keycodes to keys like fn and f7
[23:39] <fyrestrtr> if you are on a thinkpad, just install thinkkeys
[23:40] <Lunks>     XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
[23:41] <tomasko> you use xmodmap to assign them to names like Menu, etc. found in a header file on your system... the name of which is escaping me
[23:41] <Lunks>     state 0x0, keycode 97 (keysym 0xff24, Romaji), same_screen YES,
[23:41] <tomasko> then in your window manager, you would ask it to use whatever "Menu" maps to as a shortcut for an action like open up the menu, etc.
[23:41] <tomasko> Lunks: yes, the 97 is relevant
[23:42] <tomasko> Lunks: google around for xev and xmodmap, there are tons of resources on this
[23:42] <tomasko> hmm, well again.. giving but not getting anything. later
[23:43] <Lunks> And he didn't ask anything