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| BasicXP | Hi, guys. I have got such an idea: I want to design some ads on Ubuntu and put it in Internet. Are there any project with same goal? | 07:26 |
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| BasicXP | And sorry for my bad English. | 07:26 |
| BasicXP | People??? Everybody there??? | 07:28 |
| BasicXP | People??? Anybody there!? D'oh! :) | 07:37 |
| zniavre | http://img28.picoodle.com/data/img28/3/8/18/f_radiusmenum_50466df.jpg | 08:55 |
| thorwil | nand: bonjour Nicolas! | 10:06 |
| nand | thorwil: Guten tag! | 10:07 |
| nand | how's packaging working? | 10:07 |
| thorwil | nand: not even started. allthough i read a bit about it | 10:08 |
| thorwil | both my wallpapers and my scrollbar demo need more work | 10:08 |
| nand | your scrollbar? | 10:09 |
| nand | I remember you talked about it earlier... | 10:10 |
| thorwil | http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/popup-scrollbar-concept-demo/ | 10:10 |
| thorwil | https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w-/+junk/dynamic_scrollbar | 10:10 |
| nand | ah yeah, remember | 10:11 |
| nand | looks cool, but I don't know if people would get accustomed to it | 10:12 |
| nand | maybe the Concept distro is a good place to test it! | 10:12 |
| nand | (http://www.netsplit.com/2008/08/18/concept-distro/) | 10:12 |
| nand | Interesting idea, I think | 10:13 |
| thorwil | right | 10:14 |
| thorwil | of course all the people who could pull it off are already busy :) | 10:14 |
| nand | alas, too much ideas and not enough people :( | 10:15 |
| nand | are you planning to do a full theme? | 10:15 |
| thorwil | not directly | 10:16 |
| thorwil | i have the beginnings of some guidelines in my head | 10:16 |
| thorwil | a collection of concepts and the widgets that are commonly used for them | 10:17 |
| thorwil | to both think of alternative widgets and what the design of given widgets should get across | 10:17 |
| thorwil | the 2nd aspect should be useful as a measure for themes and to get people pull in the same direction | 10:19 |
| nand | by alternate widgets, you mean common widgets, but with an alternate behavior like your scrollbar? | 10:20 |
| thorwil | in part | 10:20 |
| thorwil | as an example, if you directly jump to tabs, you have a rather well defined concept | 10:21 |
| thorwil | but if you take it from a more abstract pov, as a means of making one of several areas visible at a time | 10:21 |
| thorwil | this can lead to other ideas | 10:22 |
| nand | don't forget that the UIs come from at least two UI toolkit (but the total number should be around 5 to 10), so if we want to stay consistent, that means a good lot of work! | 10:22 |
| thorwil | can, doesn't have to :) | 10:22 |
| nand | s/two UI toolkits/two big UI toolkits/ | 10:22 |
| thorwil | surpassing apple is no walk in the park :) | 10:22 |
| nand | eheh, true enough :) | 10:23 |
| thorwil | i don't even expect many new concepts to come up | 10:23 |
| thorwil | the abstraction can also help to see larger families, which is important for consistency | 10:24 |
| thorwil | i like to think of widgets as the words of a language | 10:24 |
| thorwil | we want to use the same words for the same things | 10:25 |
| thorwil | and similar words for similar things and never the same words for different things | 10:26 |
| thorwil | and choose the most exact and elegant words, to not sound like some ghetto kids ^^ | 10:27 |
| nand | that's pretty abstract! How do you see that in action? | 10:27 |
| thorwil | nand: well, it's work that needs doing :) | 10:28 |
| nand | If you're beginning to have, and implement some new interesting concepts, could be interesting to fire up a live CD (for easy testing) to bring more people in, and start ... a brainstorming session :) | 10:29 |
| thorwil | arg. is there a way to wrap a long if ... and ... and statement in python? | 10:41 |
| nand | no idea! | 10:47 |
| thorwil | luckily i can restructure that mess :) | 10:48 |
| nand | some people say the block delimitation by indentation is a bad thing. IMO, as long as you got a good text editor, that's not a problem :) | 10:53 |
| thorwil | i mostly like it. i found it to be the most readable language and i would carefully indent, anyway | 10:56 |
| pwnguin | so i have a new job as a lab assistant at a community college | 14:19 |
| pwnguin | overheard from a lecturer: "all computer and web graphics are 75dpi" | 14:20 |
| * thorwil giggles | 14:27 | |
| elkbuntu | ha | 14:31 |
| pwnguin | and then he tried to call cmyk addititive and rgb subtractive | 14:37 |
| cody-somerville | pwnguin, that joke went right over my head | 14:57 |
| nand | if my old color knowledge is good, it's the opposite... | 14:59 |
| pwnguin | indeed | 15:08 |
| pwnguin | these aren't exactly "jokes" | 15:08 |
| pwnguin | they're just sad =( | 15:08 |
| thorwil | cody-somerville: macs have been said to comply to 76 dpi (well, 70+something, at least). for PCs and I guess also modern macs, 92 tends to be closer to the truth | 15:20 |
| thorwil | cody-somerville: but actually, you just get a pixel by pixel view | 15:20 |
| thorwil | cody-somerville: where the true dpi varies, depending on display | 15:20 |
| thorwil | for web graphics, dpi is pretty much useless | 15:21 |
| thorwil | you still see these numbers in introductory material and people keep parotting them | 15:22 |
| pwnguin | its painful | 15:39 |
| pwnguin | but theres a huge difference between a webpage layout assuming 72 dpi and one assuming 100 | 15:40 |
| DanaG | zwhoa: http://wvs.topleftpixel.com/08/08/18/ | 23:56 |
| DanaG | Reeally nie photo. | 23:57 |
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