[01:06] * Cimi is back (gone 06:39:38) [01:06] * Cimi is away: Away [02:22] * DarkWave43302 is not here at present: Gone away for now. === DarkWave43302 is now known as DarkWave43302_AF [02:22] * DarkWave43302_AF has returned. === DarkWave43302_AF is now known as DarkWave43302 [02:23] * DarkWave43302 is not here at present: Gone away for now. === DarkWave43302 is now known as DarkWave43302_AF [07:26] Hi, guys. I have got such an idea: I want to design some ads on Ubuntu and put it in Internet. Are there any project with same goal? [07:26] And sorry for my bad English. [07:28] People??? Everybody there??? [07:37] People??? Anybody there!? D'oh! :) [08:55] http://img28.picoodle.com/data/img28/3/8/18/f_radiusmenum_50466df.jpg [10:06] nand: bonjour Nicolas! [10:07] thorwil: Guten tag! [10:07] how's packaging working? [10:08] nand: not even started. allthough i read a bit about it [10:08] both my wallpapers and my scrollbar demo need more work [10:09] your scrollbar? [10:10] I remember you talked about it earlier... [10:10] http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/popup-scrollbar-concept-demo/ [10:10] https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w-/+junk/dynamic_scrollbar [10:11] ah yeah, remember [10:12] looks cool, but I don't know if people would get accustomed to it [10:12] maybe the Concept distro is a good place to test it! [10:12] (http://www.netsplit.com/2008/08/18/concept-distro/) [10:13] Interesting idea, I think [10:14] right [10:14] of course all the people who could pull it off are already busy :) [10:15] alas, too much ideas and not enough people :( [10:15] are you planning to do a full theme? [10:16] not directly [10:16] i have the beginnings of some guidelines in my head [10:17] a collection of concepts and the widgets that are commonly used for them [10:17] to both think of alternative widgets and what the design of given widgets should get across [10:19] the 2nd aspect should be useful as a measure for themes and to get people pull in the same direction [10:20] by alternate widgets, you mean common widgets, but with an alternate behavior like your scrollbar? [10:20] in part [10:21] as an example, if you directly jump to tabs, you have a rather well defined concept [10:21] but if you take it from a more abstract pov, as a means of making one of several areas visible at a time [10:22] this can lead to other ideas [10:22] don't forget that the UIs come from at least two UI toolkit (but the total number should be around 5 to 10), so if we want to stay consistent, that means a good lot of work! [10:22] can, doesn't have to :) [10:22] s/two UI toolkits/two big UI toolkits/ [10:22] surpassing apple is no walk in the park :) [10:23] eheh, true enough :) [10:23] i don't even expect many new concepts to come up [10:24] the abstraction can also help to see larger families, which is important for consistency [10:24] i like to think of widgets as the words of a language [10:25] we want to use the same words for the same things [10:26] and similar words for similar things and never the same words for different things [10:27] and choose the most exact and elegant words, to not sound like some ghetto kids ^^ [10:27] that's pretty abstract! How do you see that in action? [10:28] nand: well, it's work that needs doing :) [10:29] If you're beginning to have, and implement some new interesting concepts, could be interesting to fire up a live CD (for easy testing) to bring more people in, and start ... a brainstorming session :) [10:41] arg. is there a way to wrap a long if ... and ... and statement in python? [10:47] no idea! [10:48] luckily i can restructure that mess :) [10:53] some people say the block delimitation by indentation is a bad thing. IMO, as long as you got a good text editor, that's not a problem :) [10:56] i mostly like it. i found it to be the most readable language and i would carefully indent, anyway [14:19] so i have a new job as a lab assistant at a community college [14:20] overheard from a lecturer: "all computer and web graphics are 75dpi" [14:27] * thorwil giggles [14:31] ha [14:37] and then he tried to call cmyk addititive and rgb subtractive [14:57] pwnguin, that joke went right over my head [14:59] if my old color knowledge is good, it's the opposite... [15:08] indeed [15:08] these aren't exactly "jokes" [15:08] they're just sad =( [15:20] cody-somerville: macs have been said to comply to 76 dpi (well, 70+something, at least). for PCs and I guess also modern macs, 92 tends to be closer to the truth [15:20] cody-somerville: but actually, you just get a pixel by pixel view [15:20] cody-somerville: where the true dpi varies, depending on display [15:21] for web graphics, dpi is pretty much useless [15:22] you still see these numbers in introductory material and people keep parotting them [15:39] its painful [15:40] but theres a huge difference between a webpage layout assuming 72 dpi and one assuming 100 [23:56] zwhoa: http://wvs.topleftpixel.com/08/08/18/ [23:57] Reeally nie photo.