[06:44] <dholbach> good morning
[07:42] <stefanlsd> gotta go to work. cya guys later :)
[09:37] <asac> dholbach: hey. one question: why do we release team reports before the month is actually over?
[09:37] <asac> e.g. team report august: 22nd
[09:37] <asac> ?
[09:38] <dholbach> asac: good question, best to ask Mr Bacon about it :)
[09:38] <asac> dholbach: is he ever online ;)?
[09:39] <dholbach> yes, he should be back any minute
[09:40] <dholbach> woohooo! the first team documented the packages they track on harvest!
[09:40] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SugarTeam/GettingInvolved
[09:42] <asac> nice
[10:08] <dholbach> asac: should the recent diggler work with firefox-3? just reviewing a merge that still has firefox-2 in the Depends
[10:09] <asac> dholbach: in intrepid we dont want to do anything for firefox 2 ... we will remove it
[10:09] <dholbach> so? update to firefox-3?
[10:09] <dholbach> bug 254614
[10:11] <cpufreak> should there be a firefox-3-dbg package btw?
[10:11]  * cpufreak was looking for debugging symbols in hardy for ff last night, just found the ones for firefox-2
[10:12] <asac> dholbach: ok updated
[10:12] <dholbach> asac: did you use the patch in the package or did you do an upload of your own?
[10:13] <asac> dholbach: i updated the bug ;)
[10:13] <dholbach> asac: ah! thanks! :)
[10:13] <Ng> asac: did you get a chance to play with openvpn? :)
[10:14] <asac> Ng: not yet. setting up a openvpn thing appears to be still the blocking barrier ;)
[10:14] <Ng> hmm, perhaps I can do something about that, since I particularly want this fixed ;)
[10:15] <asac> lol ... see how it works ;)
[10:15] <Ng> I can probably set up a VM at home. access won't be particularly fast, but you only need to be able to connect to it and ping the other end and everything else should be fine
[10:52] <lool> ISTR some people were complaining about the new listadmin reporting "nothing in queue" incorrectly
[10:53] <lool> This seems to be http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495006 which is fixed in 2.40-2.2
[10:53] <lool> i'll file a sync request
[10:56] <thibs> hi
[10:57] <thibs> I just wanted to know if an RSS feed exists that broadcasts every new package update for a given release ?
[10:57] <lool> jpds: Hmm your latest changes break requestsync
[10:57] <thibs> like, I'd like to subscribe to hardy-updates feed
[10:57] <lool> jpds:     print sys.stderr, >> "Could not connect to mailserver %s at port %s: %s (%i)" % \
[10:57] <RAOF> thibs: Yes; eg
[10:57] <RAOF> http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/IntrepidChanges
[10:58] <jpds> lool: Oh dear, wrong way round, just a sec.
[10:58] <thibs> RAOF, cool! Is it a special feature provided by ubuntu-nl lug or is it "official" ?
[11:01] <thibs> RAOF, I mean... is this feed maintained by ubuntu-nl guys or is it a replication of an official one ?
[11:02] <jpds> lool: ubuntu-dev-tools_0.40ubuntu2_source.changes - uploaded.
[11:02] <lool> jpds: thanks
[11:03] <lool> jpds: Did you push to lp?
[11:03] <jpds> lool: Yes.
[11:03] <lool> I see no new revisions in ubuntu-dev-tools
[11:04] <jpds> lp:ubuntu-dev-tools at revision 176.
[11:04] <lool> Ah finally got it
[11:04] <lool> I didn't know there was any delay; I thought bzr pushes were immediately completed when they happened
[11:05] <lool> jpds: NameError: global name 'urllib2' is not defined
[11:10] <jpds> lool: Are you reuploading or should I?
[11:14] <lool> jpds: I did
[11:14] <jpds> lool: Thanks, sorry for the problem.
[11:15] <lool> I was wondering whether I had any choice than remove usage of urrlib to fix another issue I saw
[11:16] <lool> http://paste.ubuntu.com/38460/
[11:16] <lool> NB I'm using a https_proxy which is a problem for many python apps
[11:45] <Keybuk> today I shall remember to test packages before uploading them ;)
[11:47] <ogra> haha
[11:56] <thom> Keybuk: why change the habit of a lifetime? ;)
[11:58]  * ogra curses loudy about horizontal scrolling for touchpads being enabled *again* by default ... grrr ... that renders my windowlist unusable 
[12:02] <ogra> *grrrr* and why dont we have any way to disable horizontal scrolling via UI
[12:30] <N_I_K_A> ГЫ
[12:31] <TheMuso> /c
[12:32] <N_I_K_A> пока бесы!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:33] <N_I_K_A> дцлкпешщфхцргкщшзщшлн7эзежщоаипрлщижиллиаррлрилипмлилилбилплеждщтряоелри длбтспат пт ппт птапт 515241425с1 452м1т452 14т521пм т52152 т125мпи1т 452п1 251п4т5 1п4т5 214п52т14 5пт 5п52т 13пм1т4 35см2пт415пма1т 3асп14т 52пми15тап1пт 1452мипт14 5апт14 52пмат 15па4т 5аспт52 аспт 5саптап5тпа4т5а
[12:33] <wgrant> !ops
[12:33] <N_I_K_A> дцлкпешщфхцргкщшзщшлн7эзежщоаипрлщижиллиаррлрилипмлилилбилплеждщтряоелри длбтспат пт ппт птапт 515241425с1 452м1т452 14т521пм т52152 т125мпи1т 452п1 251п4т5 1п4т5 214п52т14 5пт 5п52т 13пм1т4 35см2пт415пма1т 3асп14т 52пми15тап1пт 1452мипт14 5апт14 52пмат 15па4т 5аспт52 аспт 5саптап5тпа4т5а
[12:33] <N_I_K_A> дцлкпешщфхцргкщшзщшлн7эзежщоаипрлщижиллиаррлрилипмлилилбилплеждщтряоелри длбтспат пт ппт птапт 515241425с1 452м1т452 14т521пм т52152 т125мпи1т 452п1 251п4т5 1п4т5 214п52т14 5пт 5п52т 13пм1т4 35см2пт415пма1т 3асп14т 52пми15тап1пт 1452мипт14 5апт14 52пмат 15па4т 5аспт52 аспт 5саптап5тпа4т5а
[12:33] <N_I_K_A> дцлкпешщфхцргкщшзщшлн7эзежщоаипрлщижиллиаррлрилипмлилилбилплеждщтряоелри длбтспат пт ппт птапт 515241425с1 452м1т452 14т521пм т52152 т125мпи1т 452п1 251п4т5 1п4т5 214п52т14 5пт 5п52т 13пм1т4 35см2пт415пма1т 3асп14т 52пми15тап1пт 1452мипт14 5апт14 52пмат 15па4т 5аспт52 аспт 5саптап5тпа4т5а
[12:33] <wgrant> Thanks Keybuk.
[12:34] <fabbione> that was fast.....
[12:44] <Hobbsee> yay, people.
[12:44] <emgent> heya Hobbsee :)
[12:45] <Hobbsee> hey emgent
[12:58] <raphink> hello Hobbsee
[12:59] <Hobbsee> hey raphink!
[12:59] <raphink> :)
[13:00] <Keybuk> err
[13:00] <Keybuk> wtf
[13:00] <Keybuk> Your message to ubuntu-devel awaits moderator approval
[13:00] <Keybuk> I can't post to ubuntu-devel anymore?!
[13:00] <mvo> happend to me when I posted with "mvo@ubuntu.com" but was subscribed as "michael.vogt@ubuntu.com"
[13:00] <seb128> Keybuk: several people complained about that some days ago too
[13:01] <Hobbsee> i pity the poor person who next goes thru that list with a working listadmin.
[13:01] <Keybuk> but I *am* subscribed
[13:01] <Keybuk> with that e-mail address
[13:02] <seb128> Keybuk: as said I read some other similar complains some days ago, I guess something went wrong on the list, would require a list admin to look at the issue
[13:03] <tjaalton> ogra: what do you mean "again"?
[13:04] <ogra> tjaalton, well, i have that prob every development cycle
[13:04] <ogra> tjaalton, and it always ends with one of you X guys patching the driver to not have horizontal scrolling :)
[13:04] <Keybuk> seb128: technical issue apparently, elmo fixing :)
[13:04] <seb128> Keybuk: good ;-)
[13:06] <tjaalton> ogra: ah, right. the problem seems to be that dexconf used to add HorizEdgeScroll "0" to the conf, but now that the hal fdi file is used, the option is not set
[13:06] <ogra> tjaalton, if i click on a buton in the windowlist in my bottom panel and then move to the terminal i brought up with that the windowlist gets a scrolling event from my touchpad if i dont move the pointer exactly vertically away from the windowlist
[13:06] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: hmmm.  did you cancel?
[13:06] <Keybuk> no
[13:06] <tjaalton> ogra: anyway, synaptics should support input properties soonish, then you can change the settings runtime
[13:06] <ogra> i.e. if my terminal pops up on the top left or right corner i indeed move off the windowlist in a diagonal way
[13:07]  * Hobbsee wonders if someone else got their first.
[13:07] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: you posted as scott@canonical.com
[13:07] <ogra> which then interprets the horizontal movement and randomly makes the windowlist swithc to another app
[13:07] <tjaalton> ogra: yes, the option could be set in the fdi file. let me fix that
[13:07] <ogra> thanks :)
[13:07] <tjaalton> anyone with a macbook btw?
[13:07] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: mail accepted
[13:08] <Keybuk> Hobbsee: I did, yes
[13:08] <Keybuk> Hobbsee: I generally use that instead of ubuntu.com
[13:08] <Hobbsee> which is...subscribed to the list.
[13:08] <Keybuk> right, I subscribed as just about every combination I can think of
[13:09] <Chipzz> tjaalton: yes, but running osx on it :P
[13:09] <Keybuk> since I have my mail client configured to reply with the address I receive
[13:09] <Chipzz> so that won't help you I guess?
[13:09] <Keybuk> so if someone mails me as scott@ubuntu.com and ccs the list, my reply will be from scott@ubuntu.com
[13:09] <Keybuk> and I want it to go through
[13:09] <Keybuk> et.c
[13:10]  * Hobbsee tries to remember how this section of the lists work
[13:10] <Keybuk> Hobbsee: it was an "open id problem"
[13:10] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: ahhh.
[13:11] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: so there was yet more breakage from that.
[13:11] <bigon> Mithrandir, hi could you renew my telepathy membership (without expiration time is better)
[13:12] <tjaalton> Chipzz: right, you'd have to run intrepid ;)
[13:14] <elmo> the LP group address <-> lists.ubuntu.com syncing was broken by some openID upgrades
[13:14] <elmo> I've fixed it and the moderation should be back to normal; sorry about that
[13:14] <elmo> Keybuk et al.: ^--
[13:15] <seb128> elmo: thanks
[13:15] <ogra> works fine
[13:15]  * ogra just mailed -devel
[13:16] <Keybuk> elmo: thanks for your fast work ;)
[13:16] <Hobbsee> elmo: cool, thanks
[13:16]  * Hobbsee shoves a whole bunch of stuff out of the moderation queue
[13:18]  * thorwil seems to get the same mails again and again. bad cross-posting
[13:19] <Hobbsee> thorwil: yeah, not sure why people cross-post to -devel and -devel-discuss :(
[13:21] <thorwil> Hobbsee: indeed. but then i tried to keep what was in CC to not break threads and got into moderation :}
[13:21] <ScottK> elmo: Thanks.
[13:21] <Hobbsee> thorwil: yeah, well.  usually, people go thru u-d queue more regularly - but listadmin is broken ;(
[13:21] <Hobbsee> so i doubt people are doing much with it
[13:24] <pwnguin> so is -discuss intended to be a spill over from moderation?
[13:25] <Hobbsee> no
[13:25] <Hobbsee> # https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelModeration
[13:26] <thorwil> - discuss is just open, not moderated and can hence be expected to be less focused
[13:28] <pwnguin> well, as long as I don't need to look for replies on -discuss, I think I'll just duck the less focused conversation ;)
[13:29] <thorwil> so my scrollbar concept has a fan who posted a brainstorm idea, filed a bug, a blueprint and had to hit 3 ubuntu lists at once
[13:29] <pwnguin> heh
[13:29] <thorwil> i hope it's someone else who made a topic on the forum
[13:30] <pwnguin> the thing about the scrollbar is that it's not very obvious by just looking at it
[13:39] <ramvi> ﻿What directory are the startup applications in? Customizing a livecd..
[13:40] <ln-> why the zero-width no-break space?
[13:41] <Ng> ln-: I'd guess pasting, some channels I'm in have that at the start of the topic and it's because they've pasted in from something else
[13:42] <ln-> i'm wondering how did ramvi manage to begin his line with one.
[13:43] <ramvi> ass -- /etc/xdg/autostart
[13:57] <Mithrandir> bigon: done
[13:57] <bigon> thx
[14:37]  * ogra hugs tjaalton 
[14:37] <ogra> thanks a lot
[14:38] <tjaalton> ogra: np, noticed that upstream now has properies support for synaptics, but it'll take a while to get in :)
[14:38] <ogra> i whish i could get evtouch to work ... then i'd be happy all over ... but i get no feedback at all, not even on the hal ML
[14:39] <tjaalton> does the driver load?
[14:39] <ogra> and either ith my own hacked up fdi file nor with my old xorg.conf it works
[14:39] <ogra> X got stuck the last time i tried it ...
[14:39] <tjaalton> ok..
[14:39] <ogra> i havent had the time to try with the latest upload yet
[14:39] <ogra> i saw there was one last week or so
[14:40] <ogra> err. oh
[14:41] <ogra> you fixed the same thing i fixed before ?
[14:41] <ogra> did i do anything worng in my upload ?
[14:41] <tjaalton> there was another reference to it
[14:41]  * ogra just checked the changelog
[14:41] <tjaalton> check the bug too :)
[14:42] <ogra> oh, right :)
[14:43] <ogra> hmm, i should test my fdi again then :=
[14:43] <tjaalton> could you post it somewhere so I can have a look?
[14:44] <ogra> just trying to find out where i got it
[14:45] <ogra> it was simply a ripoff of the wacom file matching the device and using evtouch
[14:45] <ogra> that worked fine, just made xorg hardlock
[14:45] <ogra> but i saw it being loaded
[14:45] <ogra> in the log
[14:47] <ogra> grrr
[14:47] <ogra> paste.ubuntu.com thinks it is php and i want to do anything evil
[14:47] <tjaalton> heh
[14:48] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/38506/
[14:48] <ogra> tsk ... three dots help
[14:49] <tjaalton> yeah, looks ok
[14:49] <ogra> i'll put it back and try
[14:56] <ogra> yay !
[14:56] <ogra> events !
[14:57] <ion_> Mmm... Events.
[14:57] <ogra> tjaalton, http://paste.ubuntu.com/38511/
[14:57] <ogra> had to change it to info.capabilities contains="input.touchpad"
[14:57] <ogra> now i got events ... totally off and uncalibrated but thats a major step forward
[14:57] <tjaalton> cool
[14:58] <ogra> now to find out how i get the claibration data into the fdi file
[14:58] <mvo> ogra: events! events! events! (/me throws a chair)
[14:58] <ogra> lol
[14:59] <tjaalton> ogra: input.x11_options.Foo
[14:59] <ogra> thanks !
[15:00]  * ogra tries
[15:00] <tjaalton> you can set any option that way
[15:00] <tjaalton> always use type=string
[15:00] <tjaalton> hum, gotta run ->
[15:00] <ogra> thanks so much !
[15:04] <ogra> sweet !!!
[15:06] <ogra> hmm, why doesnt compiz respect my sloppy focus setting :/
[15:16] <ogra> hmm, xrandr doesnt reall ylike me yet
[16:20] <BenC> Am I the only one experiencing corrupted mbox's after an intrepid update of evo?
[16:20] <pwnguin> you might be the only one using evo ;)
[16:21] <ogra> not really
[16:28] <YokoZar> ScottK: poke
[16:32] <BenC> pwnguin: Then I could honestly say the bug was directed at _me_ :)
[16:33] <pwnguin> heh
[16:34] <pwnguin> novell is conspiring to break benC's ubuntu!
[16:35] <asac> Ng: does the latest nm from PPA change anything ... do you see any regressions besides from vpn?
[16:35] <asac> (e.g. snapshot from today)
[16:39] <Ng> asac: I'll check
[17:14] <kees> when is the ex-platform team meeting usually?
[17:15] <james_w> kees: wednesday 22:00 UTC
[17:18] <kees> james_w: okay, cool.  I need to swing by with some questions -- is there an agenda I can add myself to?
[17:18] <james_w> kees: drop a mail to Colin
[17:19] <ScottK> IIRC he's on vaction this week.
[17:20] <james_w> ScottK: nope, he's back by then
[17:20] <ScottK> OK.
[18:23] <BenC> Just in case anyone was wondering, I fixed my evo problem by deleting all the indexes and meta data in .evolution/mail/local/
[20:54] <cody-somerville> How does popcorn know if people use a package regularly?
[20:55] <Spads> cody-somerville: something to do with the heat of the oil when it pops, I think.
[20:56] <tedg> The gnomes tell the kernels when they're done.  That's why KDE people eat pretzels.
[21:05] <geser> cody-somerville: iirc it checks the atime
[22:06] <james_w> seb128: I've sent a patch for gnome-session upstream. Should I milestone the Ubuntu bug so that we can fix it directly if it doesn't make it in to a release in time?
[22:06] <james_w> seb128: bug 258145
[22:47] <seb128> james_w: hi, thanks, you can milestone it but don't use nomination that's not required
[22:47] <james_w> seb128: you mean not "Nominate for release", but add a beta milestone?
[22:47] <seb128> yes
[22:47] <james_w> is beta correct do you think?
[22:47] <bbs> what is the next release after hardy -- the one in development
[22:48] <james_w> bbs: intrepid ibex
[22:48] <seb128> yes, don't really matter, any milestone between now and intrepid will do
[22:48] <LaserJock> bbs: Intrepid
[22:48] <james_w> seb128: great, thanks
[22:48] <seb128> the patch is trivial enough
[22:48] <bbs> LaserJock: whats the sources.list
[22:48] <bbs> ibex or intrepid
[22:49] <james_w> bbs: intrepid
[22:49] <jpds> bbs: intrepid and please visit #ubuntu+1 too for problems with it and other discussion.