[05:06] <paradyne> hi folks
[05:06] <paradyne> anyone awake?
[05:07] <paradyne> I can see that this isn't support, so I will prefix this with "I've been to the main channel, but there is not a soul there who has an idea of how to fix this issue"
[05:07] <paradyne> Using a Dell Inspiron 700m, I'm noticing (through googling as well) that Laptops are not responding will to 8.04
[05:08] <paradyne> there seems to be an issue around installing using SATA modules for an IDE chipset
[05:08] <paradyne> help?
[05:29] <paradyne> UnNaturalHigh: hello neighbour
[05:29] <UnNaturalHigh> hi
[05:29] <paradyne> Calgary, eh?
[05:29] <paradyne> me too
[05:29] <UnNaturalHigh> sweet, where abouts?
[05:30] <paradyne> Marda Loop
[05:30] <UnNaturalHigh> ahhh, right by mt royal
[05:30] <paradyne> you?
[05:30] <paradyne> you bet
[05:30] <UnNaturalHigh> I live in Royal Oak
[05:30] <paradyne> nice
[05:30] <paradyne> are you in the know re: ubuntu on a laptop?
[05:30] <UnNaturalHigh> yes I am
[05:31] <paradyne> I've been through the main chan, but ended up giving more support than I was getting
[05:31] <paradyne> mind if I ask you a brain scratcher?
[05:31] <UnNaturalHigh> yea, #ubuntu is near useless for everything but installation and basic configuration
[05:31] <UnNaturalHigh> sure
[05:31] <paradyne> installed 8.04 today, ran for a little while, then my Dell Inspiron 710M froze
[05:32] <paradyne> rebooted, ran a terminal with top to see if XORG was hanging, not the case
[05:32] <UnNaturalHigh> okay
[05:32] <UnNaturalHigh> dmesg?
[05:32] <paradyne> nothing useful there yet
[05:32] <UnNaturalHigh> anything strange in that?
[05:32] <UnNaturalHigh> saying something froze is not really much information
[05:32] <paradyne> rebooted to just the terminal, and ran dpkg --configure-a to finish the updates
[05:33] <UnNaturalHigh> tail -f /var/log/messages <-- also useful
[05:33] <paradyne> terminal starts spitting out "Exception Emask" errors
[05:33] <UnNaturalHigh> this is a fresh install?
[05:33] <paradyne> you bet
[05:33] <UnNaturalHigh> 8.04.1?
[05:33] <paradyne> actually, not sure
[05:34] <UnNaturalHigh> dbl check
[05:34] <paradyne> downloaded from the main ubuntu page on friday
[05:34] <paradyne> kernel is 2.6.24-19
[05:34] <UnNaturalHigh> hmmm....most likely is
[05:34] <paradyne> so, did some googling around exception emask errors
[05:34] <UnNaturalHigh> has your laptop frozen since the original occurrence?
[05:35] <paradyne> many times
[05:35] <paradyne> I'm booted off the live cd right now
[05:35] <UnNaturalHigh> does it freeze from the live cd?
[05:35] <paradyne> nope
[05:35] <paradyne> beauty of running from a ramdisk
[05:35] <paradyne> I would venture
[05:35] <UnNaturalHigh> not at all
[05:35] <UnNaturalHigh> essentially running from live cd and from the hard disk is that same
[05:35] <UnNaturalHigh> *the
[05:36] <UnNaturalHigh> have you done an integrity check of your ubuntu cd?
[05:36] <paradyne> yup
[05:36] <paradyne> everything is a-ok
[05:37] <paradyne> so, I did an lspci, and had confirmed that this laptop is an IDE chipset
[05:37] <paradyne> the exception emask errors are mentioning sata
[05:37] <paradyne> so I'm wondering if the 8.04.1 install is forcing sata modules even though ide is the right one...
[05:37] <paradyne> ?
[05:38] <UnNaturalHigh> no, ubuntu just uses sata naming conventions for both sata/ide
[05:38] <paradyne> ah
[05:39] <paradyne> ok, well that takes care of that curiousity
[05:39] <UnNaturalHigh> have you tried doing a complete reinstall to see if something strange maybe happened during install?
[05:39] <paradyne> I did
[05:39] <paradyne> same thing
[05:39] <UnNaturalHigh> wow
[05:39] <UnNaturalHigh> this is indeed strange
[05:39] <paradyne> error only occurs when the hard drive is under "load"
[05:39] <paradyne> eg: apt-get upgrade or running the update manager
[05:40] <paradyne> I can feel the laptop starting to grind to a halt as my mouse movements get slow, my keyboard input sometimes doesn't take, and I cannot switch between windows
[05:42] <UnNaturalHigh> god, I don't even really know what to say it sounds like you are having a lot of problems
[05:42] <UnNaturalHigh> have you considered trying another distro
[05:42] <UnNaturalHigh> such as Fedora
[05:42] <UnNaturalHigh> ?
[05:42] <paradyne> I've got my Woody disc here, but it's always such a chore to configure X myself...
[05:44] <paradyne> so here's what I'm thinking: download 7.10 and be happy until 8.10 comes out
[05:44] <paradyne> or
[05:44] <paradyne> re-install xp
[05:44] <UnNaturalHigh> you could try to chroot into your ubuntu system from the live cd
[05:44] <UnNaturalHigh> then update it
[05:44] <paradyne> you're going to have to talk me through that one...
[05:44] <UnNaturalHigh> this is what you do
[05:44] <UnNaturalHigh> mkdir /mnt/ubuntu
[05:44] <paradyne> k
[05:45] <UnNaturalHigh> I don't know your partition layout, you will have to tell me
[05:45] <paradyne> '/dev/sda2 is the root partition
[05:45] <paradyne> and it's mounted at /media/disk right now
[05:45] <UnNaturalHigh> ie. /dev/sda1 /boot, /dev/sda2 swap,  /dev/sda3 /, /dev/sda4 /home, etc.
[05:46] <UnNaturalHigh> I need to know all of the partitions
[05:46] <UnNaturalHigh> you will then need to ensure all of them are initially unmounted
[05:46] <paradyne> '/dev/sda1 is swap, /dev/sda2 is root, and that's it
[05:47] <paradyne> unmounted sda2
[05:48] <UnNaturalHigh> are you sure that is it?
[05:48] <UnNaturalHigh> fdisk -l
[05:48] <UnNaturalHigh> double check
[05:49] <paradyne> positive
[05:49] <paradyne> /dev/sda1               1         729     5855661   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[05:49] <paradyne> /dev/sda2             730        9729    72292500   83  Linux
[05:49] <UnNaturalHigh> for future reference and I would suggest you do it know, you should separate you /boot and /home paritions
[05:49] <UnNaturalHigh> and this is the reason for it
[05:50] <UnNaturalHigh> your should run your boot partition with ext2 and not have it mount unless needed (speed for the first and security for the second)
[05:50] <UnNaturalHigh> and your /home partition should be separate as it usually gets written to much more often plus holds all your personal configuration files
[05:50] <paradyne> hmm... never knew this
[05:53] <UnNaturalHigh> let me double check how big my / partition is
[05:53] <UnNaturalHigh> /boot (128mb), / (15GB), swap (50% of your ram in size), /home (whatever is left)
[05:53] <UnNaturalHigh> checking...
[05:53] <paradyne> fair enough
[05:53] <paradyne> if/when I reformat, I will re-partition
[05:54] <UnNaturalHigh> plus if you ever want to change distros or due a fresh install /home is separate and it shouldn't affect your preferences really afterwards
[05:54] <paradyne> just goes to show how much of a creature of habit I am
[05:54] <UnNaturalHigh> ?
[05:54] <UnNaturalHigh> why is that?
[05:54] <paradyne> been doing this since 2.2.14
[05:55] <paradyne> in anycase...
[05:55] <paradyne> you were mentioning chroot'ing
[05:55] <UnNaturalHigh> well really you should have /opt /usr and /var also separate
[05:55] <UnNaturalHigh> yes
[05:55] <UnNaturalHigh> okay
[05:55] <paradyne> or should I just do a fresh install?
[05:55] <UnNaturalHigh> it is entirely up to you
[05:55] <UnNaturalHigh> I don't really care
[05:55] <paradyne> (though it was still cratering then, too)
[05:55] <paradyne> k
[05:55] <paradyne> keep 'er going then
[05:56] <UnNaturalHigh> umount /dev/sda2
[05:56] <UnNaturalHigh> mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/ubuntu
[05:56] <UnNaturalHigh> mount -t proc none /mnt/ubuntu/proc
[05:57] <UnNaturalHigh> mount --bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev
[05:57] <UnNaturalHigh> oops
[05:57] <UnNaturalHigh> sorry
[05:57] <UnNaturalHigh> forget the last line
[05:57] <UnNaturalHigh> mount --bind /dev /mnt/ubuntu/dev
[05:57] <UnNaturalHigh> should be ubuntu :P
[05:57] <paradyne> mount: mount point /mnt/ubuntu/proc does not exist
[05:57] <UnNaturalHigh> did you mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/ubuntu
[05:57] <UnNaturalHigh> linux cannot work with out proc
[05:58] <paradyne> /dev/sda2              69G  180M   65G   1% /mnt/ubuntu
[05:58] <paradyne> yup, mounted to /mnt/ubuntu
[05:58] <UnNaturalHigh> ls -al /mnt/ubuntu
[05:58] <UnNaturalHigh> show me the output
[05:58] <paradyne> cdrom, etc, lost+found, media, var
[05:58] <paradyne> odd
[05:58] <paradyne> no proc
[05:59] <UnNaturalHigh> something is seriously wrong with your install
[05:59] <paradyne> wee
[05:59] <UnNaturalHigh> you are missing many important directories
[05:59] <paradyne> yeah... where's bin?
[05:59] <paradyne> bin's the life of the party
[05:59] <UnNaturalHigh> or /usr for that matter
[05:59] <UnNaturalHigh> or /live
[06:00] <UnNaturalHigh> /lib
[06:00] <paradyne> so... I think I'm going to attempt a re-install tomorrow
[06:00] <paradyne> this is way too much like work for a sunday night
[06:00] <UnNaturalHigh> you might wanna download a new cd, check it against the md5 sum
[06:00] <paradyne> that's a smart idea
[06:00] <UnNaturalHigh> burn it and then verify it with the burn utility
[06:00] <UnNaturalHigh> I have a feeling your cd is messed up
[06:00] <UnNaturalHigh> I have had that problem with other linux distros
[06:00] <paradyne> weird
[06:00] <UnNaturalHigh> or put ubuntu a usb key and install
[06:01] <UnNaturalHigh> super fast to install from a usb key
[06:01] <paradyne> net install?
[06:02] <UnNaturalHigh> no
[06:02] <paradyne> lean install, then/
[06:02] <paradyne> ?
[06:04] <paradyne> well... thanks for the help
[06:04] <paradyne> gotta turn it in for the night
[06:04] <UnNaturalHigh> actually just stick with a new live cd
[06:04] <UnNaturalHigh> later
[06:04] <paradyne> I'll likely be back tomorrow
[06:04] <UnNaturalHigh> cool
[06:04] <paradyne> nite, and thanks again
[06:04] <UnNaturalHigh> I will check in
[06:04] <UnNaturalHigh> np