[00:02] <RAOF> Mmm, loadav 31.39
[00:02] <RAOF> Yay C++
[00:02] <TomJaeger> It's very frustrating.  You spend many hours trying to get the packaging right and nobody's willing to spend the five or ten minutes that it would take to say, 'yeah, this is okay'
[00:03] <RAOF> TomJaeger: That's what I'm doing now.
[00:03] <TomJaeger> wow, cool
[00:03] <RAOF> There are a couple of obvious and easily fixable problems, and your code is currently bringing my buildbox to its knees.
[00:04] <TomJaeger> yeah, boost::serialization makes heavy use of templates
[00:05] <RAOF> Yay turing-complete type system.
[00:07]  * slangasek ugh, boost
[00:07] <RAOF> TomJaeger: So, the big complaint is that your dependencies are/will be broken.
[00:07] <k0p> hi all
[00:08] <RAOF> TomJaeger: {shlibs:Depends} is your friend.
[00:08] <k0p> I have my package some weeks in queue. :( Why the binary files doesnt appear on archive?
[00:09] <Kopfgeldjaeger> k0p: mine took 4 or 5 days to build, _after_ it was accepted by the archive admins
[00:09] <TomJaeger> okay, I'll add {shlibs:Depends}
[00:10] <Kopfgeldjaeger> k0p: But I remember yours was archived some hours before mine
[00:12] <k0p> Kopfgeldjaeger, yeap
[00:12] <k0p> :S
[00:12] <Kopfgeldjaeger> :)
[00:12] <k0p> is it normal?
[00:12] <k0p> I think no..
[00:12] <k0p> :/
[00:12] <TomJaeger> RAOF, do I need anything else then, or is just {shlibs:Depends} enough?
[00:13] <RAOF> TomJaeger: I don't think you need anything but ${shlibs:Depends} in your Depends: line, no.
[00:13] <RAOF> You don't have any runtime dependencies that aren't linked in?
[00:13] <TomJaeger> cool, thanks.
[00:13] <TomJaeger> nope
[00:13] <RAOF> I've added a comment, FWIW.  The shlibs thing is the big winner, but there's another nitpick or two there as well.
[00:14] <TomJaeger> Ah, I see there's a review now. Thanks a lot.
[00:14] <TomJaeger> RAOF, point 2, this is just the sourceforge mirror that debian is using acting up.
[00:14] <RAOF> Oh, right.  Urgh.
[00:17] <k0p> Kopfgeldjaeger, why my package doesnt built after your? :/
[00:17] <Kopfgeldjaeger> k0p: dunno :( was it acepted by the archive admins?
[00:19] <k0p> Kopfgeldjaeger, I think yes. How I should know?
[00:20] <k0p> I know that it appear on a list
[00:20] <Kopfgeldjaeger> k0p: DktrKranz also archived yours, didn't he? The next day he told me that mine was accepted by the admins
[00:21] <k0p> hmm
[00:21] <k0p> he doens't tell me anything. But another friend
[00:21] <k0p> send me a email
[00:21] <k0p> and it say that it was accepted
[00:21] <k0p> but it appears only the sources
[00:22] <TomJaeger> hmm, dput says 'Already uploaded to revu.ubuntuwire.com'. Should I bump the version number to -0ubuntu2?
[00:22] <Kopfgeldjaeger> TomJaeger: no
[00:22] <Kopfgeldjaeger> rm *.upload
[00:22] <RAOF> TomJaeger: No; just add -f to the dput line.
[00:22] <Kopfgeldjaeger> or that
[00:22] <k0p> Kopfgeldjaeger, I need to talk DktrKranz..
[00:22] <TomJaeger> thanks, great that worked.
[00:22] <k0p> he isn't there.
[00:25] <Kopfgeldjaeger> yep
[00:25] <Kopfgeldjaeger> anyway. good luck and good night
[00:26] <k0p> good night.
[00:26] <k0p> thanks anyway
[00:45] <RAOF> Gah.  Would it be too much to ask for the clean target to _actually_ clean the source tree?
[00:49] <TomJaeger> RAOF, Thanks again, I've made the necessary changes and added a comment to http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=easystroke
[00:50] <TomJaeger> That's not my package you were just talking about, is it?
[00:52] <TomJaeger> How do you clean a debian package anyway?  Is 'fakeroot debian/rules clean' the way to go?
[01:16] <RAOF> TomJaeger: No, I was talking about miro, and the failure of "setup.py clean" to actually clean the tree.
[01:18] <owen1_> here is the error i get when running prevu: dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: debian/newsbeuter/usr/bin/newsbeuter shouldn't be linked with libgssapi_krb5.so.2 (it uses none of its symbols).
[01:19] <owen1_> any prevu experts?
[01:21] <RAOF> That's a warning that a large fraction of the archive will exhibit.  Don't feel to bad about it :)
[01:23] <owen1_> RAOF: ok. is there any solution?
[01:23] <RAOF> Ignore it.
[01:23] <RAOF> owen1_: Unless you'd like to fix it, which is generally non-trivial.
[01:24] <owen1_> RAOF: so my best option is to wait for interpid?
[01:24] <NCommander> Is there a packaged x86_64 -> i686 cross-compiler in the archive?
[01:25] <RAOF> It won't be fixed in intrepid, likely.
[01:25] <RAOF> NCommander: Is -m32 insufficient?
[01:25] <RAOF> owen1_: Just ignore that warning; it doesn't harm anything.
[01:25] <NCommander> yeah, I'm compiling a kernel, and it spat out a invalid mach when I tried that
[01:25] <RAOF> Oh.  Yeah, kernels are likely special.
[01:25] <NCommander> I just wanted to know if there was a shortcut before I started building with cross-tool
[01:26] <owen1_> RAOF: at the end of i got an error messege:make: libmrss-depends: Command not found   http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/38354/
[01:28] <RAOF> owen1_: That suggests a missing build-depend.
[01:28] <StevenK> NCommander: My machine can't build kernels for i686 on x86_64
[01:28] <owen1_> RAOF: can i solve this?
[01:29] <slangasek> StevenK: because your machine doesn't support 32-bit code?
[01:29] <RAOF> owen1_: Apparently by adding a build-depend on libmrss0-dev.  If that doesn't fix it, then you'd have to first backport that library.
[01:30] <owen1_> RAOF: i don't understand 'adding a build-depend on libmrss0-dev'..can u guide me?
[01:30] <StevenK> slangasek: It ought to. It builds normal things, it just refuses to build kernel modules.
[01:31] <NCommander> StevenK, yeah, hence the need for a cross-compiler ;-)
[01:31] <RAOF> owen1_: I don't have time, sorry.  Basically, you'll have to do some packaging work, for which the packaging guide would be useful.
[01:31] <owen1_> RAOF: ok. any chance that it will be fixed someday soon?
[01:32] <RAOF> owen1_: Probably not; it's not broken in intrepid.
[01:32] <owen1_> RAOF: but u said that waiting for interpid will not help.
[01:33] <RAOF> owen1_: For the warnings you printed, they'll likely still be in Intrepid.
[01:33] <RAOF> owen1_: For the _error_ in the pastebin, that doesn't happen in Intrepid.
[01:33] <owen1_> RAOF: great. so i'll wait for interpid.
[01:57] <RAOF> Hm.  Why aren't I allowed to post to ubuntu-devel@l.u.c?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> RAOF: something went bang?
[02:17] <RAOF> Presumably.  Maybe I wasn't positng from raof@ubuntu.com?
[02:18] <ajmitch> or maybe you've just been kicked out :)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> whoever next goes thru the moderation queue will need a *very* stiff drink.
[02:25] <RAOF> With what porpoise?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> huh?
[02:26]  * Hobbsee suspects no one has been going thru it, without a working listadmin
[02:30] <nxvl> emgent: around?
[02:32] <emgent> yeah now i'm back
[02:35] <bddebian> Anyone have a preferred log file analyzer?
[02:37] <ScottK-laptop> bddebian: I'm a big fan of grep.
[02:38] <bddebian> Heh :)
[02:39] <nxvl> i just wish i can use grep on the real life some day
[02:39] <nxvl> :D
[02:44] <RAOF> Wow, the hppa buildd is pretty quick at picking up a package and FTBFSing it.
[02:49] <NCommander> RAOF, hppa in general is having issues ATM
[02:49]  * NCommander would like to see Ubuntu kfreebsd-amd64
[02:49] <RAOF> Heh
[02:50] <NCommander> I actually have that dual booting with my Ubuntu installation ;-)
[02:50] <NCommander> It used to through people through a loop when they tried to grab packages from a repo I had up
[02:53] <nxvl> is anyone having problems with some builds in i386 because of soyus?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> nxvl: you fail at asking descriptive questions.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> what are you actually asking?
[03:00] <nxvl> Hobbsee: oh right you are here
[03:00] <RAOF> Oh, curses.  Miro was, among other things, a merge so I should've passed -v through.  Gah.
[03:01] <Hobbsee> nxvl: i'm almost always here.  it's just a question of if i'm at my keyboard or not
[03:01]  * nxvl dances while searchs the log
[03:01] <nxvl> Hobbsee: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16865545/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.lmms_0.3.2-1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[03:01] <nxvl> Hobbsee: wine is failing to install
[03:02] <nxvl> Hobbsee: here is the retry: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16877205/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.lmms_0.3.2-1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[03:02] <nxvl> after trying to fix wine
[03:03] <StevenK> update-binfmts: warning: Couldn't load the binfmt_misc module.
[03:03] <StevenK> No fair failing to install if you can't load a module.
[03:04] <StevenK> nxvl: That's the same error.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> nxvl: ask lamont about that.
[03:04] <nxvl> StevenK: yep
[03:04] <Hobbsee> invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/procps not found. doesn't look good either
[03:04] <Hobbsee> as that's in -minimal
[03:04] <nxvl> Hobbsee: and wine is now depending on procps
[03:04] <nxvl> so it must be installed
[03:05] <Hobbsee> everything in ubuntu-minimal must be installed regardless.
[03:05] <StevenK> nxvl: That is a pointless depends.
[03:05] <StevenK> nxvl: procps is Priority: required
[03:05] <StevenK> Read Debian Policy for what required means
[03:05] <nxvl> yes, i just added it to wine depend after talking to slangasek
[03:05] <Hobbsee> oddly enough, though, most other things seem to have built.
[03:05] <nxvl> he said it may be not installed
[03:06] <Hobbsee> twitch
[03:08] <nxvl> StevenK: yes i know that, but slangasek told me that better to add it
[03:10] <nxvl> StevenK: slangasek "required" != "essential", fwiw
[03:10] <nxvl> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/08/16/%23ubuntu-motu.html
[03:10] <nxvl> around 7:00
[03:11] <StevenK> nxvl: You don't need to lecture me about the Priority field.
[03:11]  * ScottK steps away from nxvl.
[03:11] <nxvl> StevenK: yeah, i was just giving you more information about what slangasek told me, and the why of the change
[03:12] <StevenK> nxvl: Sure, but you don't need to beat me with slangasek as a teaching tool.
[03:12] <nxvl> StevenK: i was just pasting what slangasek told me
[03:12] <nxvl> StevenK: oh! that wasn't the intention
[03:12] <nxvl> StevenK: sorry if you feel that way
[03:13] <nxvl> StevenK: i was just trying to give more context
[03:13] <nxvl> sorry about that
[03:13] <StevenK> nxvl: Anyway, I suspect adding procps to the Depends wasn't going to fix it.
[03:14] <nxvl> StevenK: yes, now i know that, i just think it could since the log also says is not finding that init script
[03:14] <nxvl> i will send lamont and e-mail
[03:15]  * Hobbsee adds requiring dpkg as a build dependancy to some packages, just in case.
[03:15] <StevenK> Argh
[03:15]  * Hobbsee grins, ducks, and runs away
[03:15] <StevenK> Hobbsee: I recall someone adding build-essential to the Build-Depends of a package I was asked to sponsor.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> StevenK: ouch.
[03:15] <nxvl> btw
[03:15] <StevenK> (Years ago, for Debian)
[03:16] <nxvl> what time is it now @ australia?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> do they still live?
[03:16] <StevenK> nxvl: 12:15pm
[03:16] <Hobbsee> Uptime: 2 hours and 44 minutes
[03:16] <nxvl> StevenK: still sunday?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> hmm.  not that.
[03:16] <StevenK> nxvl: Monday
[03:16] <Hobbsee> nxvl: no, monday
[03:16] <StevenK> nxvl: TZ=Australia/Sydney date
[03:16] <ajmitch> almost beer o'clock
[03:16] <StevenK> ajmitch: And since when are you Australian? :-P
[03:17]  * ajmitch would never make such a claim
[03:17] <StevenK> Heh
[03:17] <nxvl> StevenK: you can use any escuse to have a beer
[03:17] <nxvl> :D
[03:17] <nxvl> excuse*
[03:17] <StevenK> I'm Australian, I don't need an excuse.
[03:17] <nxvl> in peru you didn't need one, but it's funny to have one
[03:17] <nxvl> :D
[03:19] <RAOF> Streuth, it's midday!  Time for a stubby.
[03:19] <StevenK> RAOF: Just one?
[03:20] <RAOF> Maybe a six pack
[03:20] <StevenK> That will make the marking quicker
[03:21] <RAOF> I get me some markin' to do tomorrow.  And Wednesday.
[04:04] <ma10> does anybody have debuild-pbuilder working in intrepid? I keep getting sudo -E: command not found...
[05:24] <RAOF> Man, it's awesome having (metaciy dev)+ subscribed to metacity bugs on launchpad.
[05:25] <RAOF> (Bug #258977, for those who like context)
[05:27] <slangasek> StevenK: well, you know, build-depending on procps for those occasions when you're trying to build a package in the middle of a dist-upgrade ;P
[05:29] <slangasek> StevenK: one can certainly create a chroot without ubuntu-minimal; and I believe the buildd chroots are such
[05:33] <saivann> Can a member of the MOTU-SRU team take a look at bug 232402 ? The final patch is now available since more than one month and has Alexander Sack blessing
[05:34] <saivann> See comment #15
[05:59] <nxvl> slangasek: :P
[06:00] <slangasek> nxvl: I maintain that I'm right, because in spite of the package prio I don't see anything that causes dpkg to depend on procps
[06:01] <nxvl> slangasek: yes, also i don't see any problem on build-depending on it
[06:09] <tuxmaniac> moring gang
[06:09] <tuxmaniac> morning
[06:25] <nxvl> packages.ubuntu.com is down
[06:28] <Hew> Can someone from ubuntu-backports-testers take a look at bug 248055?
[06:41] <RAOF> nxvl: Not down, just slow.
[06:44] <dholbach> good morning
[06:45] <nxvl> dholbach: good morning
[06:45] <tuxmaniac> dholbach: guten morgen
[06:45] <dholbach> hi nxvl, hi tuxmaniac
[06:46] <\sh> moins dholbach..so early? :)
[06:47] <dholbach> \sh: I was up at 6:50 already :)
[06:47] <stefanlsd> hihi
[06:47] <\sh> dholbach: that was the time when I reached my office ;-)
[06:48] <dholbach> \sh: I just have to walk 5 meters to my office :)
[06:49]  * \sh has the wrong job...or I just have to ask to do my work from my homeoffice ;)
[06:49] <StevenK> dholbach: Sounds like me :-)
[06:49] <dholbach> it has advantages and disadvantages
[06:50] <\sh> the advantage: you can have coffee for free
[06:50] <\sh> the disadvantage: you can sleep sometimes longer and work sometimes longer in the evening ;)
[06:57] <RoAkSoAx> disadvantage: you don't get to talk to people, joke with someone.. or have fun at all :P
[06:58] <nxvl> dholbach: walk 5 meters or just bring the laptop to bed :P
[06:59] <nxvl> dholbach: Bug 258808 fixed
[07:01] <dholbach> nxvl: excellent
[07:01] <nxvl> the odd thing is that it used to work
[07:01] <nxvl> :S
[07:03] <stefanlsd> nxvl: aah cool. i got bitten by that bug trying to compile zaptel
[07:03] <nxvl> :P
[07:03] <nxvl> sorry about that
[07:05] <nxvl> btw i need to swith to intrepid soon
[07:25] <nxvl> asac: around?
[07:43] <stefanlsd> work, cya guys :)
[08:05] <Laney> morning guys
[08:08] <dholbach> hi Laney
[08:14] <Laney> yo dholbach, how's it going? Thanks for your comments on my app!
[08:14] <dholbach> np :)
[08:14] <dholbach> very good - how are you?
[08:15] <Laney> Not too bad, had to work all weekend though :(
[08:15] <Laney> But it means I get weds-fri off, so can't complain too much
[08:15] <dholbach> nice... a long weekend :)
[08:16]  * dholbach looks forward to next weekend - we're going to the Baltic Sea with friends
[08:16] <Laney> Monday is a bank holiday in England too, so very long
[08:16] <Laney> ooh nice, where abouts?
[08:17] <dholbach> Laney: somewhere around here: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=54.274046,12.293701&spn=0.35443,1.013489&t=h&z=10
[08:17] <dholbach> not sure yet :)
[08:17] <geser> good morning
[08:18] <dholbach> it's about 300km from Berlin, so we should get there pretty quickly
[08:18] <dholbach> hi geser
[08:26]  * Laney is jealous, although going on a surfing break in September :>
[08:26] <Laney> anyway, work calls
[08:26]  * Laney runs off
[08:56] <huats> morning everyone
[10:02] <dholbach> geser: thanks a lot for looking into the sponsoring queue!
[10:14] <geser> dholbach: np, but I just do the very easy ones. I wish I could do more, but I need to prepare for some exams next week.
[10:14] <dholbach> geser: all the best with that!
[10:14] <dholbach> I'll do some more sponsoring later today
[10:15] <dholbach> all: and YOU should too! :)
[10:21] <slicer> Hi. Does the debian import freeze prevent replacing an existing Ubuntu package with a more updated Debian one? If not, do I just do a sync request?
[10:21] <directhex> no and yes, in that order
[10:40] <slytherin> slicer: DIF just means that there are no auto syncs. Manual sync on demand is ok.
[11:24] <Iulian> Good morning.
[11:26] <jpds> morning Iulian
[11:27] <Iulian> Heya jpds.
[12:00] <bigon> does somebody know what's irc nick of Scott James Remnant ?
[12:00] <geser> bigon: Keybuk, he's in #ubuntu-devel
[12:00] <ogra> bigon, Keybuk
[12:01] <bigon> oh right, thx
[12:16] <mok0> Am I the only one that doesn
[12:16] <mok0> doesn't think that the openid wiki login works?
[12:17] <mok0> I seem to have to re-login every time I go to a new page
[12:18] <geser> mok0: if it's the same problem that was discussed earlier on #launchpad then it's known and being worked on
[12:19] <mok0> geser: ok, I am not crazy :-)
[12:20] <mok0> You used to be logged on via your wikiname, now it's the irc nick, and when I click on that (top right) it says I don't have a home page
[12:23] <ScottK> mok0: If you claim compliance with Standards Version 3.8.0 then the requirement for README.source is applicable (in the cases one is needed).
[12:24] <mok0> ScottK: Right, thanks
[12:46] <ma10> why do many java packages recommend the -gcj version too? this causes gcj to be pulled in everytime even if you have other jres..
[12:50] <slytherin> ma10: there is a discussion going on. While persia and few others have agreed to move them to 'Suggests', doko is against that.
[12:51] <ma10> oh.. +1 for the suggests from me (not that anybody cares)
[12:52] <slytherin> ma10: by the way, #ubuntu-java is better place for java packaging matters
[12:52] <ma10> ok sorry
[12:53] <slytherin> ma10: nothing to be sorry, very few people are aware of existence of that channel.
[12:56] <Hew> Can someone from u-u-s check out bug 209084? The requested update has been made to the debdiff.
[13:37] <gaspa> 'homepage' field in control file, could be associated to binary package, too ... or only to source pkgs?
[13:38] <slytherin> gaspa: why do you need it in binary package?
[13:38] <gaspa> slytherin: because in actual description there are different homepages for each binary package.
[13:39] <gaspa> slytherin: the package is lightning-extension-locales
[13:39] <slytherin> gaspa: Oh. To answer your original question, you can use it for binary packages.
[13:50] <gaspa> slytherin: ok, thanks. :)
[14:01] <gaspa> asac: do you have a few time to take a look at bug #259052 ?
[14:03] <asac> gaspa: please try to get in contact with saivaan
[14:03] <asac> not sure if he has a bzr brnah or something
[14:03] <gaspa> fine.
[14:03] <asac> gaspa: when he signs this off (or doesnt reply), please let me know
[14:04] <gaspa> i'll mail him just now.
[14:38] <jdong> anyone know about swt-gtk in Intrepid?
[14:38] <jdong> I see it was MOTU uploaded, but the last time I asked about doing it, doko got pretty irate at me for suggesting it
[14:38] <jdong> I was wondering if we checked with core-devs to make sure it was okay
[14:42] <geser> jdong: the sync of swt-gtk was ACKed by doko, see bug 249158
[14:45] <jdong> geser: thanks, I see, I guess everyone got impatient with eclipse 3.4 :D
[14:51] <directhex> what's the procedure for requesting a package be promoted to main?
[14:51] <bddebian> Heya gang
[14:51] <geser> Hi bddebian
[14:51] <geser> directhex: writing a MIR
[14:52] <geser> directhex: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess
[14:52] <bddebian> Heya geser
[14:53] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: heya
[14:53] <bddebian> Hi tuxmaniac
[15:30] <firstman> hi
[15:31] <firstman> i have a question about the process fixing a typo bug
[15:31] <firstman> i can fix is with a postint script
[15:31] <firstman> but i should write to the original developer for change in the next version or something like that?
[15:32] <firstman> and it should be written in changelog? (that i have write to developer)
[15:55] <k0p> DktrKranz, are you there?
[15:58] <DktrKranz> k0p: yep
[15:59] <k0p> DktrKranz, well.. some weeks my package is in the queue yet. Is it really accepted?
[16:00] <k0p> it's 10 day in queue.. to appear in archive.
[16:00] <k0p> I think something happen
[16:00] <DktrKranz> k0p: I think it's in universe right now
[16:00] <DktrKranz> or at least the one I uploaded
[16:00] <k0p> when I can see?
[16:00] <DktrKranz> which was package name?
[16:01] <k0p> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/u/umit/
[16:01] <k0p> umit
[16:01] <k0p> there isnt binary files
[16:01] <DktrKranz> source is in universe, binary are still in NEW
[16:02] <DktrKranz> it won't be in NEW for long, just wait a couple of days :)
[16:03] <leleobhz> someone can explain me why sane depends X and gnome packages?
[16:03] <k0p> DktrKranz, it's from 8th. but ok I keep wait :)
[16:03] <k0p> thanks
[16:04] <k0p> leleobhz, sane is backend right?
[16:04] <leleobhz> k0p: backend and frontend...
[16:04] <DktrKranz> NEW is quite long right now, but I think it will be processed quickly now we're approaching Feature Freeze
[16:04] <leleobhz> k0p: but sane can be used only has xinetd daemon for network scanning
[16:05] <cyberix> Does someone know why Ubuntu doesn't have miredo?
[16:05] <cyberix> All Debian has it
[16:05] <cyberix> Even the really old ones.
[16:05] <Pici> !info miredo
[16:07] <k0p> DktrKranz, ok thanks :)
[16:07] <Pici> cyberix: Looks like feisty+ has it
[16:08] <cyberix> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=miredo&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[16:09] <cyberix> I wonder why it can't be found at packages.ubuntu.com
[16:10] <cyberix> I can find it using apt-cache search
[16:10] <DktrKranz> cyberix: I get an "Internal server error", it is probably due to that.
[16:10] <Pici> cyberix: I can't anything right now with packages.u.c
[16:12] <cyberix> ok
[16:12] <cyberix> thanks
[16:13] <leleobhz> another: what happened with daemontools package?
[16:15] <DktrKranz> leleobhz: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/daemontools/1:0.76-3
[16:15] <leleobhz> DktrKranz: it isnt available via apt
[16:15] <leleobhz> why?
[16:16] <Pici> leleobhz: From Intrepid?
[16:16] <leleobhz> hardy
[16:16] <leleobhz> packages contain "daemontools" in their description: svtools minit
[16:16] <leleobhz> o.0
[16:16] <leleobhz> name change?
[16:16] <DktrKranz> leleobhz: it's available in intrepid only
[16:17] <leleobhz> ok
[16:40] <bddebian> Is there a slick way to generate an additional locale, say Spanish, and just use it for one specific app?
[16:42] <joaopinto> bddebian, locale-gen && export LANG ?
[17:01] <geser> bddebian: or LANG=es_ES app
[17:05] <bddebian> geser: Yeah, that's what I did, thanks!
[17:05] <bddebian> And thanks to you too joaopinto
[17:09] <sebner> geser: I owe you a beer ;)
[17:10] <RoAkSoAx> asac, ping
[17:15] <asac> RoAkSoAx: just ask when i am here ;) ... not need to ping. ill read backlog in case i am away :)
[17:15] <RoAkSoAx> asac, around?? heheh :P
[17:16] <sebner> warp10: also thanks to you
[17:17] <warp10> sebner: np, but... no beer for me? ;)
[17:18] <geser> sebner: I need to learn for some exams, so please don't file so many sync requests :)
[17:18] <RoAkSoAx> asac, need your help with a package. libgecko2.0-cil changed /usr/lib/mono/gac/gecko-sharp   to  /usr/lib/cli/gecko-sharp-2.0/ right?? so, now blam wont compile because of this error: "error CS0006: cannot find metadata file `/usr/lib/mono/gecko-sharp-2.0/gecko-sharp-dependent.dll'" so i was wondering, what do i have to do so that when blam is compiling look for gecko-sharp-dependent.dll in /usr/lib/cil/*
[17:18] <asac> RoAkSoAx: thats old
[17:18] <asac> RoAkSoAx: i fixed gecko-sharp today
[17:18] <asac> did the blam respin fail?
[17:19] <asac> RoAkSoAx: it built https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blam/1.8.5-1ubuntu1
[17:19] <RoAkSoAx> asac, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16889354/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.blam_1.8.5-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:19] <asac> so all fine now
[17:19] <asac> RoAkSoAx: look above
[17:19] <RoAkSoAx> asac, yep can see that, thanks :)
[17:19] <asac> np
[17:19] <RoAkSoAx> asac, we were like crazy last night with nxvl cuz of that build error lol
[17:19] <asac> RoAkSoAx: if you arew interested on what cause the problem, read the gecko-sharp2 changelog
[17:20] <RoAkSoAx> asac, will do ;)
[17:20] <gaspa> asac: still no answers from saivann. how much time would we give him?
[17:20] <gaspa> couple of days?
[17:20] <asac> gaspa: err .... at least a few days
[17:21] <asac> you cannot expect anyone contributing to free software to answer within hours ;)
[17:21] <asac> saivann has been quite responsive in the past
[17:21] <gaspa> of course, i asked just 'cause i'm exiting...
[17:21] <asac> gaspa: yeah. just remember to follow up in case you dont get reply within a few days
[17:21] <asac> gaspa: did you send mail?
[17:22] <asac> then all should be ok
[17:22] <gaspa> sure, i sent it.
[17:22] <asac> good
[17:22] <gaspa> i didn't think to put you in Cc, sorry.
[17:23] <sebner> warp10: well I said thanks. you ACKed 5-10% and geser the rest ^^
[17:23] <gaspa> going home...bye!
[17:23] <sebner> geser: well, there are other sposors too. just don't ACK if you don't have time ;)
[17:24] <warp10> sebner: mmm... next time I need to ACK more then! :P
[17:24] <sebner> warp10: of course. I had >20 ;)
[17:25]  * warp10 thinks the queue would drop to less than 50 bugs if sebner would apply for MOTU
[17:26] <sebner> warp10: I don't think there are any outstanding bugs from me except a merge which I'm doing right now :)
[17:27] <warp10> sebner: but if you sponsor at the same pace you are currently providing debdiffs and sync requests... wow!
[17:27] <sebner> warp10: ^^, hey I have still 4 sync requests without an ACK :D
[17:28] <warp10> sebner: how many for a free beer... say... at next UDS?
[17:29] <sebner> warp10: Same amount as geser ACKed :P though I surely won't be at the next 2 UDS
[17:29] <warp10> sebner: mmm... your fare is definitely high, you know? :P
[17:30] <sebner> warp10: of course but I besides I won't have time because of military education <-- if I can it in that way
[17:31]  * DktrKranz thinks to hide when sebner's activity on #ubuntu-motu rises
[17:31] <warp10> sebner: mmm... are you planning to go in some kind of military academy?
[17:32] <sebner> DktrKranz: why?
[17:32]  * DktrKranz hides
[17:32] <sebner> warp10: no but I *have* to do it. just 6 months
[17:32] <sebner> DktrKranz: xD
[17:32] <sebner> DktrKranz: you didn't even ACK *one* sync request :P
[17:32]  * DktrKranz hides better
[17:33] <warp10> sebner: aaah... something like military duty
[17:33] <sebner> warp10: yep, a social thing with 9 months or military thing with 6 months. And I took the latter because shorter :)
[17:34] <sebner> DktrKranz: I still have 4 left and more will come (maybe not today but surely on weekend) :P
[17:34] <warp10> sebner: heh! :)
[17:34]  * DktrKranz invokes divine intervention, or Achmed's
[17:35] <sebner> DktrKranz: SILENCE, I. K. Y. :P
[17:35] <DktrKranz> sebner: Y. R. B. :P
[17:35] <sebner> *hrhr*
[17:36] <sebner> so, who wants my 4 sync requests?
[17:36]  * warp10 hides
[17:36] <DktrKranz>  /me... no!
[17:36] <sebner> pffffff
[17:36] <sebner> emgent: hiuhu emgent my friend. you surely want to ACK 4 easy sync bugs, right?
[17:37]  * DktrKranz is waiting for p-a-s adjustments, in the meantime... c u later
[17:37] <sebner> DktrKranz: p-a-s?
[17:37] <StevenK> Packages-arch-specific
[17:37] <sebner> StevenK: wuh, thx
[17:37] <sebner> DktrKranz: hf
[17:37] <StevenK> Don't try and build <package> on a buildd that isn't <arch>
[17:38] <emgent> sebner: please subscribe u-u-s/u-m-s
[17:38] <DktrKranz> this time I want to build packages which are not considered :)
[17:39] <sebner> emgent: they are ;)
[17:40] <emgent> sebner: so please wait.. :)
[17:40] <sebner> ember: bah, I'm u-u-c so I have the right to annoy MOTUs to ACK my bugs :P
[17:43] <ScottK> sebner: And we have the right to ignore you.
[17:44] <sebner> ScottK: hrhr, you aren't a s-o-s yet :P
[17:46] <ScottK-laptop> I'm not going to ask.
[17:46] <sebner> better
[17:46] <sebner> ^^
[18:11] <YokoZar> ScottK: I was reading the DVD thread, and I wanted to talk to you about the main inclusion process; if we go ahead and do that for Wine, then there'd be about 12 packages that also need to go
[18:12] <ScottK> YokoZar: You'd also need to convince Canonical that they want to suck up providing security support for WINE.
[18:13] <ScottK> The answer to what I'm guessing is your question is, yes, you have about a dozen MIR to write.
[18:13] <ScottK> But I'd get an endorsement on the idea from kees first.
[18:13] <sebner> ScottK: on weekend I'd help you with clamav MIR's
[18:14] <ScottK> sebner: Great.  I look forward to it.
[18:14] <sebner> ScottK: just remember me (and mentor me :P)
[18:14] <sebner> *remind
[18:15]  * sebner has a bad english -.-
[18:15] <ScottK> I'll try and remember (don't forget I'm old), and will be glad to mentor you.
[18:15] <sebner> ScottK: fine =)
[18:26]  * directhex needs to write a MIR for webkit-sharp
[18:33] <kees> YokoZar: btw, for the sysctl stuff, I'd like to make it a separate package from wine.
[18:33] <kees> YokoZar: like, "wine-16bit" or something
[18:33] <kees> and have it just a Suggests.  most people don't need that sysctl turned off, and I'd like to maximize the # of people getting protected
[18:34] <kees> as for wine in main, i don't see a reason for it.
[18:37] <kees> YokoZar: I've got a package of procps with the sysctl stuff broken out, but I want to run it by the platform team first.
[18:42] <YokoZar> kees: Yeah I had that idea as well
[18:43] <YokoZar> kees: I was going to suggest a package "initial-memory-access" that Wine and similar packages could recommend (since the problem doesn't seem to be Wine-specific
[18:49] <kees> YokoZar: true.  "lowmem-access" maybe?  I'd like to have it be a "Suggests" in Wine to avoid having it auto-installed.  dosemu probably would need a Depend, though.  :P
[18:51] <YokoZar> kees: My worry there is that it's very hard for a user to figure out when he needs to install that package.  In order to even see that you're getting the memory errors you have to be running Wine in the terminal.  Perhaps if Wine had some sort of magic like the codec installer that detected the 16 bit program and prompted you to install the package, but that seems like a strange/frightening interface to create
[18:56] <kees> YokoZar: what happens now when a 16bit app tries to run?
[19:05] <lukehasnoname> I know this isn't #ubuntu but I'm blocked from getting in there since I use Mibbit (which is stupid). So, could someone tell me the name of the program that allows you to act as root in Nautilus? And how I enable it?
[19:06] <lukehasnoname> as someone sympathetic to my plight of IRC-blocking college netadmins and mibbit blocking IRC admins
[19:08] <azeem> lukehasnoname: try some web forum or the ubuntu-users mailing list, then
[19:09] <lukehasnoname> ok
[19:09] <lukehasnoname> sorry to interrupt the active flow of conversation
[19:19] <YokoZar> kees: Wine silently fails and dumps a message to the terminal
[19:20] <YokoZar> kees: if it's a 32 bit application making a 16 bit call, though, the application will still run but the call will fail (often this makes the user think that Wine itself isn't working).  This for instance happens with older Install Shields
[19:33] <kees> YokoZar: hrm, I see.
[19:40] <tuxmaniac> I would like to work on bug 207760 and need advice with how to go about it. Apply that patch using some patch system is good enough? Or is there some other way out?
[20:54] <Ampelbein> Hi! I need some advice on how to continue with Bug #179215. I have fixed the issue by patching the current ubuntu-sources, generated a debdiff, attached it and subscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug. was that the correct way of doing?
[21:02] <ScottK> Ampelbein: Yes.
[21:02] <geser> Ampelbein: the general procedure was almost okay
[21:03] <geser> but mono is in main, so ubuntu-main-sponsors would be the correct sponsorship team
[21:04] <geser> and IMHO are more clean solution would be to make the skeleton dir /usr/share/jay and install the skeleton file there instead of point to /usr/share/doc/...
[21:04] <Ampelbein> damn. i knew i should have had a look on that. thanks for the info.
[21:08] <directhex> Ampelbein, please discuss with #debian-mono on oftc before mucking about with mono
[21:08] <Ampelbein> geser: i just thought that sample files should go to /usr/share/doc
[21:09] <geser> Ampelbein: yes, but not if a program needs it to work properly
[21:11] <directhex> jms@minimoose:~/Projects/working$ jay -p
[21:11] <directhex> /usr/share/jay
[21:14] <Ampelbein> directhex: ok, will see that i'll do that.
[23:02]  * ScottK notes that there is now an openSUSE Proofreading Team.  There is a team gap that needs to be closed.
[23:15]  * Laney wonders why bug #244531 hasn't been ACKed yet, when several other syncs have been
[23:33] <kostmo> Hey all, I am looking for MOTU advocates for my package "pyrocket": http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=3240
[23:33] <kostmo> pyrocket is a driver and frontend for of the Striker II and Dream Cheeky USB rocket launchers that you might find on ThinkGeek or other novelty shops
[23:35] <kostmo> it exposes more functionality the Windows drivers, and allows more methods of control, like joystick and computer vision
[23:38] <kostmo> are any MOTUs online at the moment?
[23:45] <ScottK> kostmo: IIRC I left you some comments.  Did you deal with them?
[23:47] <kostmo> ah i see them now
[23:47] <kostmo> let me take a look
[23:48] <kostmo> I will change those descriptions and re-upload in a few minutes
[23:48] <ScottK> JFTR, not checking first to see if you've got comments is not an incentive.
[23:50] <kostmo> sorry about that
[23:51] <kostmo> I think it would be really cool if REVU would send e-mail alerts when someone comments on your package
[23:54] <ScottK> There's a mail list for that.
[23:56] <kostmo> really? I will sign up then.
[23:58] <kostmo> ah, I see how to use the news aggregator with your package.  I wish I had noticed that before.