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DekansTonio_: ping00:55
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* yuriy wonders if JontheEchidna is "Jonathan from Kubuntu" ;)02:27
JontheEchidna;-)02:27
JontheEchidnaAnybody know what's being passed to QApplication() here?:02:37
JontheEchidnahttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/software-properties/pykde4/annotate/536?file_id=softwarepropertieskd-20070126170423-vhrx0nx2j7axk2by-202:37
JontheEchidnaself.app = QApplication([])02:37
yuriyJontheEchidna: [] is an empty list...02:47
JontheEchidnaoh, right02:47
JontheEchidnawhy would you pass an empty list to QApplication?02:48
JontheEchidnafor the sake of passing something?02:48
JontheEchidnaWhat I'm really wondering is that could changing that to self.app = KApplication() cause a crash when exiting the application?02:49
Jucato(in C++, QAppliation has a default parameter of parent = 0)02:49
Jucatoer.. nvm02:49
JontheEchidnaHmm, still no word from Pitti on merging the Jockey pykde4 port :(02:56
yuriyooh updated bugzilla. 'bout time03:00
ScottK-laptopJontheEchidna: pitti is on vacation.03:09
JontheEchidnanooooo03:10
JontheEchidnaRiddell: you're a jockey hacker, could you do the merge?03:10
* JontheEchidna is aware that riddell is sleeping03:10
* JontheEchidna goes to bed03:31
jjesse_yay bed :)03:31
vorianbed?03:31
voriannn03:31
vorian:)03:31
JontheEchidnaoh, and if I could get revus on lancelot and plasmoid-toggle-compositing that'd be nice03:32
JontheEchidna;-)03:32
JontheEchidnann03:33
freeflyingnixternal: ping05:11
freeflyingnixternal: have a look of the postinst of kubuntu-docs05:14
freeflyingnixternal: http://pastebin.com/m3c17da6905:15
\shROTFLBTC06:30
\shI just watch the video of linux new media of the akadamy...and they named "Thomas Zander" as "Frank Zander"...most germans will get the joke ,-)06:30
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doc__hi there13:02
Riddellbuenas dias doc__13:03
doc__Riddell: hola :)13:03
JontheEchidnamorning guys13:03
JontheEchidnaRiddell: Did you get my message about pitti being on vacation?13:05
RiddellJontheEchidna: oh, no I didn't13:07
Riddellhe's quite picky about jockey releases, I'm not sure I'd be qualified to do one13:08
* JontheEchidna hopes he's back before FF13:08
Riddellhe seems to be away until 29 August13:09
* JontheEchidna faceplams13:09
JontheEchidnaThis sucks13:11
JontheEchidnaWould it be hard to get an FFE for this?13:11
RiddellI'll try and do an upload13:11
Riddellit involves fiddly branches but ach weel13:12
JontheEchidnaYou're the best Kubuntu robot ever. :)13:12
JontheEchidnaYou're not bad at video interviews either13:12
Riddelldid you see the ook one I added?13:12
JontheEchidnanope13:12
JontheEchidnaI will have to now, though13:13
Riddelltrying to out-amarok the amarok crew13:13
JontheEchidnahehe13:13
JontheEchidnahaha13:14
JontheEchidnathat's great13:14
seeleoh, you added another interview?13:14
JontheEchidnajust a bunch of geeks howling ;P13:15
seeleah, i got enough of that at akademy :)13:15
Riddellspeaking flemmish :)13:16
seeleyou speaking french while they answer in flemmish?13:17
RiddellI hope you all appreciated my French skills in the francais interviews13:18
seeleconsidering i speak one language, i appreciate anyone's multilinguity13:19
seele(although it would have been nice if there were subtitles ;P)13:19
Riddellthat would require me to understand their answers :)13:20
seelehehe13:20
Riddellmornfall: what's the status of adept beta?13:25
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Riddellapachelogger: akonadi uploaded, mind and send it to debian if relevant13:56
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apacheloggerRiddell: if debian also uses apparmor, the whole packaging should be merged I guess14:13
ScottKapachelogger: They don't.14:13
apacheloggerbut for now - oh my god, they killed my wifi in intrepid!14:13
* apachelogger is actually a windowslogger14:14
apacheloggerScottK: don't they even have an apparmor package?14:14
ScottKNope.14:14
ScottKThey use SELinux.14:15
ScottKApparmor is for sissies.14:15
Riddellselinux in debian is controvertial (based on talk at debconf last year)14:16
* apachelogger needs the nx client for windows to get on his workstation :S14:23
JontheEchidnapoor apachelogger14:23
JontheEchidnaThis morning I found that my wired connection died14:24
JontheEchidnaagain14:24
JontheEchidnaand that plugging my ethernet back in to my embedded nic fixed it14:24
JontheEchidna(was using an unembedded PCI nic since the embedded one did the same thing last week14:25
JontheEchidnaI blame new networkmanager14:26
JontheEchidnathough last week I couldn't even use the embedded nic in windows or kubuntu live cd...14:26
apacheloggerstupid nm -.-14:32
RiddellJontheEchidna: plasmoid-am4rok approved14:34
JontheEchidnathx14:34
Seregahey guys14:51
Riddellmorning Serega14:52
jjessemorning14:55
Seregawhat is better to use to emulate konsole part? pty or bare stdout redirection (dup2) ?14:55
RiddellSerega: what's this for?14:56
SeregaRiddell: GDebi14:56
RiddellSerega: GDebi KDE 4 port has been done I'm afraid14:56
SeregaRiddell: I wonder who have done this?14:58
SeregaI have marked myself in the intrepid roadmap14:58
RiddellSerega: me and mvo15:00
Seregacool, ok15:00
* Serega says "doh!"15:01
RiddellSerega: but plenty more to do, ubiquity could do with a pykde port, oem-config needs some love, language-selector needs integration15:02
JontheEchidnaRiddell: papabean did a language-selector port15:06
JontheEchidnaI think it even got merged with trunk15:06
JontheEchidnabut hasn't been released15:06
RiddellJontheEchidna: oh?15:06
SeregaRiddell: what needs to be done for the ubiquity?15:06
SeregaI don't see any bugs in lp15:06
JontheEchidnaRiddell: you did the merge, even15:07
RiddellJontheEchidna: ah yes, but it still needs integration in systemsettings to be able to ues it15:07
JontheEchidnaaah15:07
RiddellSerega: just make it a pyKDE app rather than pyQt, to ensure better integration15:07
nixternalfreeflying: thanks for catching that on kubuntu-docs...silly s/kde/kde4 :)15:08
Seregasounds pretty easy15:08
SeregaRiddell: I would take this15:09
JontheEchidnaRiddell: I don't know how much more I can do for software-properties15:09
JontheEchidnaWho did you say I should email about the crash?15:10
JontheEchidnaAll that's left to do is fix the crash and reimplement the command line args and it should be good to go15:11
RiddellJontheEchidna: simon edwards15:12
Seregayuriy: ping15:15
nixternalfreeflying: fixed and uploaded...thanks again!15:18
jjessechange to docs?15:18
ScottK-laptopYeah, apparently nixternal's shiny new core-dev badge had gone to his head.15:18
ScottK-laptop;-)15:18
nixternaljjesse: ya, a little change to the packaging15:19
jjesseoh, i'll resync my branch then15:19
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jjessenixternal: did you commit?  cause my kubutnu docs branch is up to date15:25
nixternaljust committed15:26
jjesseat revision 13?15:26
Tonio_Riddell: I just packaged latest kpackagekit or test15:27
Tonio_Riddell: works pretty well, and updates seem to work15:27
Tonio_Riddell: just that I have problems with the authentication15:27
Tonio_Riddell: which permissions and packages should be added ?15:27
RiddellTonio_: it needs policykit-gnome to authenticate15:29
RiddellTonio_: have you seen the packages in my PPA?15:29
Tonio_Riddell: yep and I put everything to yes...15:29
Tonio_Riddell: yep I used yours, with uupdate :)15:29
Tonio_Riddell: hum I putted everything to yes, and it seems to work15:30
Tonio_Riddell: refresh problem when checking for updates, but I was able to upgrade the system15:30
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Tonio_Riddell: atm, there is no tray icon when updates are available15:31
Tonio_Riddell: but that's a good start ;)15:31
yuriySerega: pong15:33
freeflyingnixternal: welcome15:33
Seregaoh, hey, yuriy15:34
Tonio_Riddell: hum misses an autostart file....15:34
Seregado you still experience the arrow key bug?15:34
Tonio_Riddell: we can make it a decent thing with a few patches to it ;)15:34
Tonio_also a policykit-kde thing would be nice for authentication15:35
RiddellTonio_: sure, but it's not easy it seems, there's one in kde svn but it doesn't work for me15:36
Riddellautostart for what?15:36
yuriySerega: I think I've run into it once or twice sinse, but not normally15:38
Tonio_Riddell: the kpackagekit binary15:41
Tonio_Riddell: tray app to notify when updates are available15:41
RiddellTonio_: there is no tray app15:41
Tonio_hum, what is the binary for then ?15:41
Riddellwell I could be wrong15:42
Riddellwhich binary?15:42
ScottK-laptopUrgh.  Anyone else have trouble logining into w.u.c and then editing a page with Konqueror (KDE3 in Hardy)?15:42
Tonio_Riddell: there is now a /usr/bin/kpackagekit15:42
RiddellTonio_: dunno, run it and see15:42
Tonio_Riddell: and a config option to warn the user when updates are available, and autocheck once a day15:42
Tonio_Riddell: I need updates to be available in fact :) my machine is up to date15:42
Tonio_Riddell: I'll test deeply toonight15:42
Tonio_Riddell: fyi, the binary has a --smart-icon option :) so I suspect tray icon15:43
Riddellany volunteers for koffice alpha 10?15:47
SeregaRiddell: to test?15:48
JontheEchidnaprobably to package15:51
JontheEchidnaIt's a beast15:51
* Serega flees in terror15:51
JontheEchidnaWell the real beasty-ness is it's size15:51
JontheEchidnaUnless you have a fairly good computer it takes forever to compile15:51
JontheEchidnavorain's computer can do it in an hour15:52
JontheEchidnamine takes 3 hours :(15:52
Seregadoh...15:54
Tonio_Riddell: confirming the tray icon :)15:56
Tonio_Riddell: could be patched to open systemsettings when clicking on it though..... not perfect right now, but I could patch that one pretty easilly15:57
Tonio_Riddell: http://toniox.org/temp/kpackagekit.png15:58
MezUnpacking replacement kdesdk-scripts ...15:58
Mezdpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdesdk-scripts_4%3a4.1.0-0ubuntu8_all.deb (--unpack):15:58
Mez trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/preparetips', which is also in package kdelibs4-dev15:58
Mezcould someone fix that?15:58
* ScottK-laptop looks at apachelogger.15:59
Tonio_Riddell: I'll probably write a few patches to packagekit toonight16:01
Tonio_icon show or not, but not dynamically depending there is an update or not, etc...16:02
Tonio_quite a few things like that to patch16:02
Riddellnice16:02
RiddellTonio_: time to learn git then16:02
Tonio_Riddell: hum, I know quite a bit about git16:03
Tonio_although I don't like it :/16:03
Tonio_we use it at work16:03
Tonio_probably super for devs, but for people like me, not as confortable as svn imho16:04
Tonio_maybe I'm just too used to svn ;)16:04
Tonio_Riddell: did you notice that cursor bug in kde4 ?16:04
Tonio_Riddell: when for example moving a mail from one folder to another in kmail ?16:05
Tonio_Riddell: I'm trying to fix, but have no idea what can cause that one16:05
seeleTonio_: the one where the pointer sometimes gets set as the resize until you reset it by mousing over an element with a different cursor?16:05
seelehum.. not the same thing16:05
jjessegrumble is there a reason that i can't call system systems from krunner?16:29
* JontheEchidna can16:30
jjessereally? can't do it in intrepid alt+f2 and start typing system and all i get is the system log viewer16:31
JontheEchidnaoh, me too16:31
JontheEchidnabut I usually just type out systemsettings16:31
JontheEchidnaOh I know why too16:31
JontheEchidnaThe .desktop file for systemsettings is set it invisible16:31
jjessesame thing in the search in the application launcher16:31
JontheEchidnaIt was set to not appear in the menu16:32
JontheEchidnaso it won't show up in krunner or search either16:32
jjesseah i c16:32
jjesseis that something we could change?16:32
JontheEchidnaThe rationale for this move was that it's in the Computer tab of Kickoff16:32
JontheEchidnaIt's intentional16:32
JontheEchidnabug Riddell about it :P16:33
jjesseRiddell:  can we change system settings so it shows up in krunner and also in the application launcher?16:33
JontheEchidnaRationale for reverting the change would be:16:35
JontheEchidna-Users of the classic menu won't be able to find systemsettings if it's .desktop is set to hidden16:35
JontheEchidna-It doesn't show up in KRunner16:35
JontheEchidna-It doesn't show up in Kickoff Search16:36
jjesseor if you remove system settings from the favorites16:36
jjessenot many know to look under computer16:36
JontheEchidnaright16:36
JontheEchidnaIt'd be inconsistent to just throw that off into a tab that people may not know to look in16:36
JontheEchidnabbl16:44
DekansTonio_: pv ?16:45
Riddelljjesse: yes, that NoDisplay should go, it's been patched properly in the menu now16:53
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Mezargh... no KDE3?17:24
ScottK-laptopNot any more than we can help it.17:24
Mezyeah, cept KDE4 makes GTK apps look horrid17:26
Mezand now my internets is broke...17:26
Riddellright, sure, it's KDE's fault that GTK looks horrid17:26
MezRiddell, they looked fine with the 3 version ;)17:27
Mez(which made it use the proper theming17:27
smarterMez: make sure gtk-qt-engine-kde4 is installed17:28
Mezsmarter, would do... cept I cant access the net17:28
Mezoh, and upgrading broke a little due to it not setting the correct WM for startup (I had to do that myself)17:29
smarterMez: and looks in system settings -> Appearence ->GTK Style and Fonts17:29
Mezsmarter... cant install anything atm17:29
smartershould already be installed17:29
smarter"Use My KDE Style in GTK applications" should be checked17:29
Mezis it possible to change the taskbar so that it doesnt squidge everythig down to the left... I want it to be a little more like the previous version17:30
Mez(stack on top of each other aswell as across)17:30
MezI cant remember whether that was meant to be 4.1 or 4.217:30
Mezi dont seem to have system settings either17:31
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smarteralt+f2 -> systemsettings17:32
Meznothig17:33
apacheloggerScottK: not mine :P17:34
* apachelogger thought we actually made kde4libs-dev conflict with kdesdk17:34
apacheloggerMez: please report any issues with configuration17:36
ScottK-laptopapachelogger: You touched it last.17:36
Mezseeems Ive broked my PC17:36
apacheloggerScottK-laptop: the issue is older though17:36
* Mez downloads an ISO to reinstall17:36
apacheloggerScottK-laptop: it's because preparetips is necessary for pot creation, Riddell is the one to poke I guess :)17:37
ScottK-laptopThen can't you just build-dep on the other package?17:38
Mezlets hope I have 3k3b17:38
Tonio_Dekans: yep ?17:38
Tonio_seele: nope the cursor bug is that it fails back to the X cursor :)17:39
Tonio_the black one17:39
* apachelogger is wondering how to query strigi in 4.117:41
Mezhmm17:42
Mezlucky i have a spare cat517:42
Mezsudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop17:43
* Mez sighs17:49
apacheloggerhm17:51
apacheloggerthese playground strigi-analyzers are pretty broken alright17:51
yuriyapachelogger: where are your khelpcenter fixes going? 4.1 or 4.2 or both?17:53
apacheloggerboth17:54
apacheloggerbut the frontend stuff is pretty fixed already17:54
apacheloggerso I will try to get nepostrigi support for 4.2 and possibly get permission to backport for 4.117:54
Mezwhy the f**k doesnt kde-network manager work?17:54
apacheloggerbecause it's 0.7svn17:55
* ScottK-laptop stops typing. apachelogger was faster.17:55
* Mez sighs...17:55
Mezso I cant use network now?17:55
Mezunless I use gnome?17:55
Mezor work out how to configure it manually17:55
apacheloggerwell, it works, partly17:56
Mez?17:56
MezIf I click my wireless network.. it does nothing17:56
apacheloggermaybe it broke due to recent updates17:56
apacheloggerthat would also explain why my laptop refuses to connect all of a sudden17:57
apachelogger-- Installing: /usr/lib/strigi/strigita_html.so17:57
apacheloggeryay17:57
* Mez sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop's17:57
Mezlets hope the gnome version works17:57
Mezif not - I now have to reinstall cause of my own stupidity17:58
apacheloggernetwork-manager-gnome17:58
Mezyes, I know... but might as well pull everything in..17:58
* apachelogger doens't get the point of that...17:58
Mez(I can play with stuff then)17:58
apacheloggerOo17:58
Mezapachelogger, cause I wanna have a look at how gnomes looking these days17:58
apacheloggerMez: you could fix knm instead :P17:58
apacheloggeror kuser17:59
apacheloggeror knetworkconf17:59
Mez1) I have no idea whats wrong and 2) I have no idea how to fix it17:59
apacheloggermeh17:59
Mezits more important to me to have a working system at the moment17:59
apacheloggerNightrose: how does one query nepgi in 4.1?17:59
apacheloggerMez: why did you upgrade to intrepid then? Oo18:00
Mezbecause I can deal with broken apps... not broken networking18:00
MezI didnt expect at an alpha, networking would be broken18:00
Nightroseapachelogger: i don't think you do18:01
apacheloggerNightrose: why is that stuff on by default then?18:01
* apachelogger sometimes really doesn't get it18:01
Nightroseapachelogger: because dolphin can use it for exmaple18:01
apacheloggerhow?18:01
Nightroserating and tagging and stuff18:01
apacheloggerhow much sense does that make without a query application?18:02
Nightrose;-)18:02
apacheloggerthat is like I buy an audio cd and have no playback device18:02
smarteryay!!!18:02
smartermy Qt4 port of kvkbd finally runs :)18:02
* apachelogger looks for the tag revision of 4.1 and tries to get nepomuk-kde to work18:02
smarterapachelogger: I think krunner can use strigi18:03
smarternepomuksearch:/ kio protocol probably use it too18:03
apacheloggerno18:03
apacheloggerthat protocol is nepomuk-kde18:03
apacheloggerwhich is still in playground18:03
smartergood candidate for kubuntu-experimental imho18:04
apacheloggeryou can only package the tag revison of KDE 4.118:04
apacheloggerif even that compiles against 4.118:04
smartertest of kvkbd418:06
* smarter is happy :]18:09
smarterwho is the kdesdk guy?18:16
smarterkapptemplate is a binary but it has Architecture: all18:16
smarterso it doesn't work on my x86_64 system :/18:16
* apachelogger thinks that the html analzer is workish18:24
apacheloggeror maybe not :S18:24
apacheloggerNightrose: still no dev?18:28
Nightroseapachelogger: nope18:28
apacheloggerNightrose: why is that everytime I stumble upon problems I have to fix them myself because none else seems to care :(18:29
seeleuh oh.. my boss just not-so-subtley asked if i had any more "trips" planned for this year..18:29
* seele guesses her absence this summer was duly noted18:29
Nightroseapachelogger: :(18:30
Nightroseseele: oO18:30
Nightroseseele: tell him how you did awesome stuff and promoted your employer ;-)18:30
Mezso, is it possible to get the taskbar to stack vertically as well as horizontally?18:30
seeleNightrose: yes well, that doesn't mean anything until a contract is in place ;)18:30
Nightrose;-)18:31
smarterMez: no, it got removed during the KDE 4.1 dev cycle due to important change to plasma and nobody reimplemented it18:31
* Mez sighs...18:31
Mezthats not good...18:32
MezIt's a waste of space18:32
smarterapachelogger: could you please upload that? http://ks33313.kimsufi.com/~smarter/pub/kdesdk_4.1.0-0ubuntu9.debdiff18:35
smarterbbl18:36
apacheloggerRiddell: please sponsor smarter :)18:48
jjesseErrors were encountered while processing:19:23
jjesse /var/cache/apt/archives/gtk-qt-engine_1%3a1.1+svn20080816-0ubuntu1_i386.deb19:23
jjesseE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)19:23
jjessejust received that on updating my intrepdi box19:23
apacheloggeroh19:40
apacheloggerhooray19:40
apacheloggerI forgot a conflicts19:40
apachelogger-.-19:40
apacheloggerjjesse: I'll fix that tomorrow, for now just install gtk-qt-engine manually19:41
* apachelogger needs to leave in some minutes19:41
jjesseapachelogger: ok19:49
gribeludid anyone yet try an upgrade from hardy to intrepid alpha4? i'm wondering if it'll work :)20:51
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seeleanyone else having trouble with adept notifier in intrepid?21:26
seeleit doesnt crash, but it doesnt do anything, either21:26
jjesseadept3? or normal adept?21:26
seeleadept 221:26
jjessei've found it just sits there no matter how many times i click on it21:26
seeleyep21:26
seelehmm.. wiki is down?21:35
Riddellwin 4421:53
Riddellhmm21:53
apacheloggergribelu: last time I checked, it was still working23:13
apacheloggerat least for KDE 3 -> KDE 4 ;-)23:13
gribeluhmm yeah i have both kde3 and 4 installed now23:13
gribelushould i remove 3 or 4 before the upgrade? :)23:14

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