[00:55] Tonio_: ping === emma_ is now known as emma [02:27] * yuriy wonders if JontheEchidna is "Jonathan from Kubuntu" ;) [02:27] ;-) [02:37] Anybody know what's being passed to QApplication() here?: [02:37] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/software-properties/pykde4/annotate/536?file_id=softwarepropertieskd-20070126170423-vhrx0nx2j7axk2by-2 [02:37] self.app = QApplication([]) [02:47] JontheEchidna: [] is an empty list... [02:47] oh, right [02:48] why would you pass an empty list to QApplication? [02:48] for the sake of passing something? [02:49] What I'm really wondering is that could changing that to self.app = KApplication() cause a crash when exiting the application? [02:49] (in C++, QAppliation has a default parameter of parent = 0) [02:49] er.. nvm [02:56] Hmm, still no word from Pitti on merging the Jockey pykde4 port :( [03:00] ooh updated bugzilla. 'bout time [03:09] JontheEchidna: pitti is on vacation. [03:10] nooooo [03:10] Riddell: you're a jockey hacker, could you do the merge? [03:10] * JontheEchidna is aware that riddell is sleeping [03:31] * JontheEchidna goes to bed [03:31] yay bed :) [03:31] bed? [03:31] nn [03:31] :) [03:32] oh, and if I could get revus on lancelot and plasmoid-toggle-compositing that'd be nice [03:32] ;-) [03:33] nn [05:11] nixternal: ping [05:14] nixternal: have a look of the postinst of kubuntu-docs [05:15] nixternal: http://pastebin.com/m3c17da69 [06:30] <\sh> ROTFLBTC [06:30] <\sh> I just watch the video of linux new media of the akadamy...and they named "Thomas Zander" as "Frank Zander"...most germans will get the joke ,-) === Hobbsee is now known as Guest21145 === Guest21145 is now known as Hobbsee === Hobbsee is now known as Guest36587 === Guest36587 is now known as Hobbsee === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_lunch [13:02] hi there [13:03] buenas dias doc__ [13:03] Riddell: hola :) [13:03] morning guys [13:05] Riddell: Did you get my message about pitti being on vacation? [13:07] JontheEchidna: oh, no I didn't [13:08] he's quite picky about jockey releases, I'm not sure I'd be qualified to do one [13:08] * JontheEchidna hopes he's back before FF [13:09] he seems to be away until 29 August [13:09] * JontheEchidna faceplams [13:11] This sucks [13:11] Would it be hard to get an FFE for this? [13:11] I'll try and do an upload [13:12] it involves fiddly branches but ach weel [13:12] You're the best Kubuntu robot ever. :) [13:12] You're not bad at video interviews either [13:12] did you see the ook one I added? [13:12] nope [13:13] I will have to now, though [13:13] trying to out-amarok the amarok crew [13:13] hehe [13:14] haha [13:14] that's great [13:14] oh, you added another interview? [13:15] just a bunch of geeks howling ;P [13:15] ah, i got enough of that at akademy :) [13:16] speaking flemmish :) [13:17] you speaking french while they answer in flemmish? [13:18] I hope you all appreciated my French skills in the francais interviews [13:19] considering i speak one language, i appreciate anyone's multilinguity [13:19] (although it would have been nice if there were subtitles ;P) [13:20] that would require me to understand their answers :) [13:20] hehe [13:25] mornfall: what's the status of adept beta? === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse__ === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [13:56] apachelogger: akonadi uploaded, mind and send it to debian if relevant === davmor2_lunch is now known as davmor2 [14:13] Riddell: if debian also uses apparmor, the whole packaging should be merged I guess [14:13] apachelogger: They don't. [14:13] but for now - oh my god, they killed my wifi in intrepid! [14:14] * apachelogger is actually a windowslogger [14:14] ScottK: don't they even have an apparmor package? [14:14] Nope. [14:15] They use SELinux. [14:15] Apparmor is for sissies. [14:16] selinux in debian is controvertial (based on talk at debconf last year) [14:23] * apachelogger needs the nx client for windows to get on his workstation :S [14:23] poor apachelogger [14:24] This morning I found that my wired connection died [14:24] again [14:24] and that plugging my ethernet back in to my embedded nic fixed it [14:25] (was using an unembedded PCI nic since the embedded one did the same thing last week [14:26] I blame new networkmanager [14:26] though last week I couldn't even use the embedded nic in windows or kubuntu live cd... [14:32] stupid nm -.- [14:34] JontheEchidna: plasmoid-am4rok approved [14:34] thx [14:51] hey guys [14:52] morning Serega [14:55] morning [14:55] what is better to use to emulate konsole part? pty or bare stdout redirection (dup2) ? [14:56] Serega: what's this for? [14:56] Riddell: GDebi [14:56] Serega: GDebi KDE 4 port has been done I'm afraid [14:58] Riddell: I wonder who have done this? [14:58] I have marked myself in the intrepid roadmap [15:00] Serega: me and mvo [15:00] cool, ok [15:01] * Serega says "doh!" [15:02] Serega: but plenty more to do, ubiquity could do with a pykde port, oem-config needs some love, language-selector needs integration [15:06] Riddell: papabean did a language-selector port [15:06] I think it even got merged with trunk [15:06] but hasn't been released [15:06] JontheEchidna: oh? [15:06] Riddell: what needs to be done for the ubiquity? [15:06] I don't see any bugs in lp [15:07] Riddell: you did the merge, even [15:07] JontheEchidna: ah yes, but it still needs integration in systemsettings to be able to ues it [15:07] aah [15:07] Serega: just make it a pyKDE app rather than pyQt, to ensure better integration [15:08] freeflying: thanks for catching that on kubuntu-docs...silly s/kde/kde4 :) [15:08] sounds pretty easy [15:09] Riddell: I would take this [15:09] Riddell: I don't know how much more I can do for software-properties [15:10] Who did you say I should email about the crash? [15:11] All that's left to do is fix the crash and reimplement the command line args and it should be good to go [15:12] JontheEchidna: simon edwards [15:15] yuriy: ping [15:18] freeflying: fixed and uploaded...thanks again! [15:18] change to docs? [15:18] Yeah, apparently nixternal's shiny new core-dev badge had gone to his head. [15:18] ;-) [15:19] jjesse: ya, a little change to the packaging [15:19] oh, i'll resync my branch then === Serega_ is now known as Serega [15:25] nixternal: did you commit? cause my kubutnu docs branch is up to date [15:26] just committed [15:26] at revision 13? [15:27] Riddell: I just packaged latest kpackagekit or test [15:27] Riddell: works pretty well, and updates seem to work [15:27] Riddell: just that I have problems with the authentication [15:27] Riddell: which permissions and packages should be added ? [15:29] Tonio_: it needs policykit-gnome to authenticate [15:29] Tonio_: have you seen the packages in my PPA? [15:29] Riddell: yep and I put everything to yes... [15:29] Riddell: yep I used yours, with uupdate :) [15:30] Riddell: hum I putted everything to yes, and it seems to work [15:30] Riddell: refresh problem when checking for updates, but I was able to upgrade the system === rdieter is now known as rdieter_away [15:31] Riddell: atm, there is no tray icon when updates are available [15:31] Riddell: but that's a good start ;) [15:33] Serega: pong [15:33] nixternal: welcome [15:34] oh, hey, yuriy [15:34] Riddell: hum misses an autostart file.... [15:34] do you still experience the arrow key bug? [15:34] Riddell: we can make it a decent thing with a few patches to it ;) [15:35] also a policykit-kde thing would be nice for authentication [15:36] Tonio_: sure, but it's not easy it seems, there's one in kde svn but it doesn't work for me [15:36] autostart for what? [15:38] Serega: I think I've run into it once or twice sinse, but not normally [15:41] Riddell: the kpackagekit binary [15:41] Riddell: tray app to notify when updates are available [15:41] Tonio_: there is no tray app [15:41] hum, what is the binary for then ? [15:42] well I could be wrong [15:42] which binary? [15:42] Urgh. Anyone else have trouble logining into w.u.c and then editing a page with Konqueror (KDE3 in Hardy)? [15:42] Riddell: there is now a /usr/bin/kpackagekit [15:42] Tonio_: dunno, run it and see [15:42] Riddell: and a config option to warn the user when updates are available, and autocheck once a day [15:42] Riddell: I need updates to be available in fact :) my machine is up to date [15:42] Riddell: I'll test deeply toonight [15:43] Riddell: fyi, the binary has a --smart-icon option :) so I suspect tray icon [15:47] any volunteers for koffice alpha 10? [15:48] Riddell: to test? [15:51] probably to package [15:51] It's a beast [15:51] * Serega flees in terror [15:51] Well the real beasty-ness is it's size [15:51] Unless you have a fairly good computer it takes forever to compile [15:52] vorain's computer can do it in an hour [15:52] mine takes 3 hours :( [15:54] doh... [15:56] Riddell: confirming the tray icon :) [15:57] Riddell: could be patched to open systemsettings when clicking on it though..... not perfect right now, but I could patch that one pretty easilly [15:58] Riddell: http://toniox.org/temp/kpackagekit.png [15:58] Unpacking replacement kdesdk-scripts ... [15:58] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdesdk-scripts_4%3a4.1.0-0ubuntu8_all.deb (--unpack): [15:58] trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/preparetips', which is also in package kdelibs4-dev [15:58] could someone fix that? [15:59] * ScottK-laptop looks at apachelogger. [16:01] Riddell: I'll probably write a few patches to packagekit toonight [16:02] icon show or not, but not dynamically depending there is an update or not, etc... [16:02] quite a few things like that to patch [16:02] nice [16:02] Tonio_: time to learn git then [16:03] Riddell: hum, I know quite a bit about git [16:03] although I don't like it :/ [16:03] we use it at work [16:04] probably super for devs, but for people like me, not as confortable as svn imho [16:04] maybe I'm just too used to svn ;) [16:04] Riddell: did you notice that cursor bug in kde4 ? [16:05] Riddell: when for example moving a mail from one folder to another in kmail ? [16:05] Riddell: I'm trying to fix, but have no idea what can cause that one [16:05] Tonio_: the one where the pointer sometimes gets set as the resize until you reset it by mousing over an element with a different cursor? [16:05] hum.. not the same thing [16:29] grumble is there a reason that i can't call system systems from krunner? [16:30] * JontheEchidna can [16:31] really? can't do it in intrepid alt+f2 and start typing system and all i get is the system log viewer [16:31] oh, me too [16:31] but I usually just type out systemsettings [16:31] Oh I know why too [16:31] The .desktop file for systemsettings is set it invisible [16:31] same thing in the search in the application launcher [16:32] It was set to not appear in the menu [16:32] so it won't show up in krunner or search either [16:32] ah i c [16:32] is that something we could change? [16:32] The rationale for this move was that it's in the Computer tab of Kickoff [16:32] It's intentional [16:33] bug Riddell about it :P [16:33] Riddell: can we change system settings so it shows up in krunner and also in the application launcher? [16:35] Rationale for reverting the change would be: [16:35] -Users of the classic menu won't be able to find systemsettings if it's .desktop is set to hidden [16:35] -It doesn't show up in KRunner [16:36] -It doesn't show up in Kickoff Search [16:36] or if you remove system settings from the favorites [16:36] not many know to look under computer [16:36] right [16:36] It'd be inconsistent to just throw that off into a tab that people may not know to look in [16:44] bbl [16:45] Tonio_: pv ? [16:53] jjesse: yes, that NoDisplay should go, it's been patched properly in the menu now === Serega_ is now known as Serega [17:24] argh... no KDE3? [17:24] Not any more than we can help it. [17:26] yeah, cept KDE4 makes GTK apps look horrid [17:26] and now my internets is broke... [17:26] right, sure, it's KDE's fault that GTK looks horrid [17:27] Riddell, they looked fine with the 3 version ;) [17:27] (which made it use the proper theming [17:28] Mez: make sure gtk-qt-engine-kde4 is installed [17:28] smarter, would do... cept I cant access the net [17:29] oh, and upgrading broke a little due to it not setting the correct WM for startup (I had to do that myself) [17:29] Mez: and looks in system settings -> Appearence ->GTK Style and Fonts [17:29] smarter... cant install anything atm [17:29] should already be installed [17:29] "Use My KDE Style in GTK applications" should be checked [17:30] is it possible to change the taskbar so that it doesnt squidge everythig down to the left... I want it to be a little more like the previous version [17:30] (stack on top of each other aswell as across) [17:30] I cant remember whether that was meant to be 4.1 or 4.2 [17:31] i dont seem to have system settings either === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [17:32] alt+f2 -> systemsettings [17:33] nothig [17:34] ScottK: not mine :P [17:34] * apachelogger thought we actually made kde4libs-dev conflict with kdesdk [17:36] Mez: please report any issues with configuration [17:36] apachelogger: You touched it last. [17:36] seeems Ive broked my PC [17:36] ScottK-laptop: the issue is older though [17:36] * Mez downloads an ISO to reinstall [17:37] ScottK-laptop: it's because preparetips is necessary for pot creation, Riddell is the one to poke I guess :) [17:38] Then can't you just build-dep on the other package? [17:38] lets hope I have 3k3b [17:38] Dekans: yep ? [17:39] seele: nope the cursor bug is that it fails back to the X cursor :) [17:39] the black one [17:41] * apachelogger is wondering how to query strigi in 4.1 [17:42] hmm [17:42] lucky i have a spare cat5 [17:43] sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [17:49] * Mez sighs [17:51] hm [17:51] these playground strigi-analyzers are pretty broken alright [17:53] apachelogger: where are your khelpcenter fixes going? 4.1 or 4.2 or both? [17:54] both [17:54] but the frontend stuff is pretty fixed already [17:54] so I will try to get nepostrigi support for 4.2 and possibly get permission to backport for 4.1 [17:54] why the f**k doesnt kde-network manager work? [17:55] because it's 0.7svn [17:55] * ScottK-laptop stops typing. apachelogger was faster. [17:55] * Mez sighs... [17:55] so I cant use network now? [17:55] unless I use gnome? [17:55] or work out how to configure it manually [17:56] well, it works, partly [17:56] ? [17:56] If I click my wireless network.. it does nothing [17:56] maybe it broke due to recent updates [17:57] that would also explain why my laptop refuses to connect all of a sudden [17:57] -- Installing: /usr/lib/strigi/strigita_html.so [17:57] yay [17:57] * Mez sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop's [17:57] lets hope the gnome version works [17:58] if not - I now have to reinstall cause of my own stupidity [17:58] network-manager-gnome [17:58] yes, I know... but might as well pull everything in.. [17:58] * apachelogger doens't get the point of that... [17:58] (I can play with stuff then) [17:58] Oo [17:58] apachelogger, cause I wanna have a look at how gnomes looking these days [17:58] Mez: you could fix knm instead :P [17:59] or kuser [17:59] or knetworkconf [17:59] 1) I have no idea whats wrong and 2) I have no idea how to fix it [17:59] meh [17:59] its more important to me to have a working system at the moment [17:59] Nightrose: how does one query nepgi in 4.1? [18:00] Mez: why did you upgrade to intrepid then? Oo [18:00] because I can deal with broken apps... not broken networking [18:00] I didnt expect at an alpha, networking would be broken [18:01] apachelogger: i don't think you do [18:01] Nightrose: why is that stuff on by default then? [18:01] * apachelogger sometimes really doesn't get it [18:01] apachelogger: because dolphin can use it for exmaple [18:01] how? [18:01] rating and tagging and stuff [18:02] how much sense does that make without a query application? [18:02] ;-) [18:02] that is like I buy an audio cd and have no playback device [18:02] yay!!! [18:02] my Qt4 port of kvkbd finally runs :) [18:02] * apachelogger looks for the tag revision of 4.1 and tries to get nepomuk-kde to work [18:03] apachelogger: I think krunner can use strigi [18:03] nepomuksearch:/ kio protocol probably use it too [18:03] no [18:03] that protocol is nepomuk-kde [18:03] which is still in playground [18:04] good candidate for kubuntu-experimental imho [18:04] you can only package the tag revison of KDE 4.1 [18:04] if even that compiles against 4.1 [18:06] test of kvkbd4 [18:09] * smarter is happy :] [18:16] who is the kdesdk guy? [18:16] kapptemplate is a binary but it has Architecture: all [18:16] so it doesn't work on my x86_64 system :/ [18:24] * apachelogger thinks that the html analzer is workish [18:24] or maybe not :S [18:28] Nightrose: still no dev? [18:28] apachelogger: nope [18:29] Nightrose: why is that everytime I stumble upon problems I have to fix them myself because none else seems to care :( [18:29] uh oh.. my boss just not-so-subtley asked if i had any more "trips" planned for this year.. [18:29] * seele guesses her absence this summer was duly noted [18:30] apachelogger: :( [18:30] seele: oO [18:30] seele: tell him how you did awesome stuff and promoted your employer ;-) [18:30] so, is it possible to get the taskbar to stack vertically as well as horizontally? [18:30] Nightrose: yes well, that doesn't mean anything until a contract is in place ;) [18:31] ;-) [18:31] Mez: no, it got removed during the KDE 4.1 dev cycle due to important change to plasma and nobody reimplemented it [18:31] * Mez sighs... [18:32] thats not good... [18:32] It's a waste of space [18:35] apachelogger: could you please upload that? http://ks33313.kimsufi.com/~smarter/pub/kdesdk_4.1.0-0ubuntu9.debdiff [18:36] bbl [18:48] Riddell: please sponsor smarter :) [19:23] Errors were encountered while processing: [19:23] /var/cache/apt/archives/gtk-qt-engine_1%3a1.1+svn20080816-0ubuntu1_i386.deb [19:23] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [19:23] just received that on updating my intrepdi box [19:40] oh [19:40] hooray [19:40] I forgot a conflicts [19:40] -.- [19:41] jjesse: I'll fix that tomorrow, for now just install gtk-qt-engine manually [19:41] * apachelogger needs to leave in some minutes [19:49] apachelogger: ok [20:51] did anyone yet try an upgrade from hardy to intrepid alpha4? i'm wondering if it'll work :) === rdieter is now known as rdieter_away [21:26] anyone else having trouble with adept notifier in intrepid? [21:26] it doesnt crash, but it doesnt do anything, either [21:26] adept3? or normal adept? [21:26] adept 2 [21:26] i've found it just sits there no matter how many times i click on it [21:26] yep [21:35] hmm.. wiki is down? [21:53] win 44 [21:53] hmm [23:13] gribelu: last time I checked, it was still working [23:13] at least for KDE 3 -> KDE 4 ;-) [23:13] hmm yeah i have both kde3 and 4 installed now [23:14] should i remove 3 or 4 before the upgrade? :)