[00:55] <Dekans> Tonio_: ping
[02:27]  * yuriy wonders if JontheEchidna is "Jonathan from Kubuntu" ;)
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> Anybody know what's being passed to QApplication() here?:
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/software-properties/pykde4/annotate/536?file_id=softwarepropertieskd-20070126170423-vhrx0nx2j7axk2by-2
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> self.app = QApplication([])
[02:47] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: [] is an empty list...
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> oh, right
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> why would you pass an empty list to QApplication?
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> for the sake of passing something?
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> What I'm really wondering is that could changing that to self.app = KApplication() cause a crash when exiting the application?
[02:49] <Jucato> (in C++, QAppliation has a default parameter of parent = 0)
[02:49] <Jucato> er.. nvm
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, still no word from Pitti on merging the Jockey pykde4 port :(
[03:00] <yuriy> ooh updated bugzilla. 'bout time
[03:09] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: pitti is on vacation.
[03:10] <JontheEchidna> nooooo
[03:10] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: you're a jockey hacker, could you do the merge?
[03:10]  * JontheEchidna is aware that riddell is sleeping
[03:31]  * JontheEchidna goes to bed
[03:31] <jjesse_> yay bed :)
[03:31] <vorian> bed?
[03:31] <vorian> nn
[03:31] <vorian> :)
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> oh, and if I could get revus on lancelot and plasmoid-toggle-compositing that'd be nice
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[03:33] <JontheEchidna> nn
[05:11] <freeflying> nixternal: ping
[05:14] <freeflying> nixternal: have a look of the postinst of kubuntu-docs
[05:15] <freeflying> nixternal: http://pastebin.com/m3c17da69
[06:30] <\sh> ROTFLBTC
[06:30] <\sh> I just watch the video of linux new media of the akadamy...and they named "Thomas Zander" as "Frank Zander"...most germans will get the joke ,-)
[13:02] <doc__> hi there
[13:03] <Riddell> buenas dias doc__
[13:03] <doc__> Riddell: hola :)
[13:03] <JontheEchidna> morning guys
[13:05] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Did you get my message about pitti being on vacation?
[13:07] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: oh, no I didn't
[13:08] <Riddell> he's quite picky about jockey releases, I'm not sure I'd be qualified to do one
[13:08]  * JontheEchidna hopes he's back before FF
[13:09] <Riddell> he seems to be away until 29 August
[13:09]  * JontheEchidna faceplams
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> This sucks
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> Would it be hard to get an FFE for this?
[13:11] <Riddell> I'll try and do an upload
[13:12] <Riddell> it involves fiddly branches but ach weel
[13:12] <JontheEchidna> You're the best Kubuntu robot ever. :)
[13:12] <JontheEchidna> You're not bad at video interviews either
[13:12] <Riddell> did you see the ook one I added?
[13:12] <JontheEchidna> nope
[13:13] <JontheEchidna> I will have to now, though
[13:13] <Riddell> trying to out-amarok the amarok crew
[13:13] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> haha
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> that's great
[13:14] <seele> oh, you added another interview?
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> just a bunch of geeks howling ;P
[13:15] <seele> ah, i got enough of that at akademy :)
[13:16] <Riddell> speaking flemmish :)
[13:17] <seele> you speaking french while they answer in flemmish?
[13:18] <Riddell> I hope you all appreciated my French skills in the francais interviews
[13:19] <seele> considering i speak one language, i appreciate anyone's multilinguity
[13:19] <seele> (although it would have been nice if there were subtitles ;P)
[13:20] <Riddell> that would require me to understand their answers :)
[13:20] <seele> hehe
[13:25] <Riddell> mornfall: what's the status of adept beta?
[13:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: akonadi uploaded, mind and send it to debian if relevant
[14:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: if debian also uses apparmor, the whole packaging should be merged I guess
[14:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: They don't.
[14:13] <apachelogger> but for now - oh my god, they killed my wifi in intrepid!
[14:14]  * apachelogger is actually a windowslogger
[14:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: don't they even have an apparmor package?
[14:14] <ScottK> Nope.
[14:15] <ScottK> They use SELinux.
[14:15] <ScottK> Apparmor is for sissies.
[14:16] <Riddell> selinux in debian is controvertial (based on talk at debconf last year)
[14:23]  * apachelogger needs the nx client for windows to get on his workstation :S
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> poor apachelogger
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> This morning I found that my wired connection died
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> again
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> and that plugging my ethernet back in to my embedded nic fixed it
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> (was using an unembedded PCI nic since the embedded one did the same thing last week
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> I blame new networkmanager
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> though last week I couldn't even use the embedded nic in windows or kubuntu live cd...
[14:32] <apachelogger> stupid nm -.-
[14:34] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: plasmoid-am4rok approved
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> thx
[14:51] <Serega> hey guys
[14:52] <Riddell> morning Serega
[14:55] <jjesse> morning
[14:55] <Serega> what is better to use to emulate konsole part? pty or bare stdout redirection (dup2) ?
[14:56] <Riddell> Serega: what's this for?
[14:56] <Serega> Riddell: GDebi
[14:56] <Riddell> Serega: GDebi KDE 4 port has been done I'm afraid
[14:58] <Serega> Riddell: I wonder who have done this?
[14:58] <Serega> I have marked myself in the intrepid roadmap
[15:00] <Riddell> Serega: me and mvo
[15:00] <Serega> cool, ok
[15:01]  * Serega says "doh!"
[15:02] <Riddell> Serega: but plenty more to do, ubiquity could do with a pykde port, oem-config needs some love, language-selector needs integration
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: papabean did a language-selector port
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> I think it even got merged with trunk
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> but hasn't been released
[15:06] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: oh?
[15:06] <Serega> Riddell: what needs to be done for the ubiquity?
[15:06] <Serega> I don't see any bugs in lp
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: you did the merge, even
[15:07] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ah yes, but it still needs integration in systemsettings to be able to ues it
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> aah
[15:07] <Riddell> Serega: just make it a pyKDE app rather than pyQt, to ensure better integration
[15:08] <nixternal> freeflying: thanks for catching that on kubuntu-docs...silly s/kde/kde4 :)
[15:08] <Serega> sounds pretty easy
[15:09] <Serega> Riddell: I would take this
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I don't know how much more I can do for software-properties
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> Who did you say I should email about the crash?
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> All that's left to do is fix the crash and reimplement the command line args and it should be good to go
[15:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: simon edwards
[15:15] <Serega> yuriy: ping
[15:18] <nixternal> freeflying: fixed and uploaded...thanks again!
[15:18] <jjesse> change to docs?
[15:18] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah, apparently nixternal's shiny new core-dev badge had gone to his head.
[15:18] <ScottK-laptop> ;-)
[15:19] <nixternal> jjesse: ya, a little change to the packaging
[15:19] <jjesse> oh, i'll resync my branch then
[15:25] <jjesse> nixternal: did you commit?  cause my kubutnu docs branch is up to date
[15:26] <nixternal> just committed
[15:26] <jjesse> at revision 13?
[15:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just packaged latest kpackagekit or test
[15:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: works pretty well, and updates seem to work
[15:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: just that I have problems with the authentication
[15:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: which permissions and packages should be added ?
[15:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: it needs policykit-gnome to authenticate
[15:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: have you seen the packages in my PPA?
[15:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep and I put everything to yes...
[15:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep I used yours, with uupdate :)
[15:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum I putted everything to yes, and it seems to work
[15:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: refresh problem when checking for updates, but I was able to upgrade the system
[15:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: atm, there is no tray icon when updates are available
[15:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that's a good start ;)
[15:33] <yuriy> Serega: pong
[15:33] <freeflying> nixternal: welcome
[15:34] <Serega> oh, hey, yuriy
[15:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum misses an autostart file....
[15:34] <Serega> do you still experience the arrow key bug?
[15:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: we can make it a decent thing with a few patches to it ;)
[15:35] <Tonio_> also a policykit-kde thing would be nice for authentication
[15:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure, but it's not easy it seems, there's one in kde svn but it doesn't work for me
[15:36] <Riddell> autostart for what?
[15:38] <yuriy> Serega: I think I've run into it once or twice sinse, but not normally
[15:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: the kpackagekit binary
[15:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: tray app to notify when updates are available
[15:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: there is no tray app
[15:41] <Tonio_> hum, what is the binary for then ?
[15:42] <Riddell> well I could be wrong
[15:42] <Riddell> which binary?
[15:42] <ScottK-laptop> Urgh.  Anyone else have trouble logining into w.u.c and then editing a page with Konqueror (KDE3 in Hardy)?
[15:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is now a /usr/bin/kpackagekit
[15:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: dunno, run it and see
[15:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: and a config option to warn the user when updates are available, and autocheck once a day
[15:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I need updates to be available in fact :) my machine is up to date
[15:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll test deeply toonight
[15:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, the binary has a --smart-icon option :) so I suspect tray icon
[15:47] <Riddell> any volunteers for koffice alpha 10?
[15:48] <Serega> Riddell: to test?
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> probably to package
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> It's a beast
[15:51]  * Serega flees in terror
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> Well the real beasty-ness is it's size
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> Unless you have a fairly good computer it takes forever to compile
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> vorain's computer can do it in an hour
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> mine takes 3 hours :(
[15:54] <Serega> doh...
[15:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: confirming the tray icon :)
[15:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: could be patched to open systemsettings when clicking on it though..... not perfect right now, but I could patch that one pretty easilly
[15:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://toniox.org/temp/kpackagekit.png
[15:58] <Mez> Unpacking replacement kdesdk-scripts ...
[15:58] <Mez> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdesdk-scripts_4%3a4.1.0-0ubuntu8_all.deb (--unpack):
[15:58] <Mez>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/preparetips', which is also in package kdelibs4-dev
[15:58] <Mez> could someone fix that?
[15:59]  * ScottK-laptop looks at apachelogger.
[16:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll probably write a few patches to packagekit toonight
[16:02] <Tonio_> icon show or not, but not dynamically depending there is an update or not, etc...
[16:02] <Tonio_> quite a few things like that to patch
[16:02] <Riddell> nice
[16:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: time to learn git then
[16:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, I know quite a bit about git
[16:03] <Tonio_> although I don't like it :/
[16:03] <Tonio_> we use it at work
[16:04] <Tonio_> probably super for devs, but for people like me, not as confortable as svn imho
[16:04] <Tonio_> maybe I'm just too used to svn ;)
[16:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you notice that cursor bug in kde4 ?
[16:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: when for example moving a mail from one folder to another in kmail ?
[16:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm trying to fix, but have no idea what can cause that one
[16:05] <seele> Tonio_: the one where the pointer sometimes gets set as the resize until you reset it by mousing over an element with a different cursor?
[16:05] <seele> hum.. not the same thing
[16:29] <jjesse> grumble is there a reason that i can't call system systems from krunner?
[16:30]  * JontheEchidna can
[16:31] <jjesse> really? can't do it in intrepid alt+f2 and start typing system and all i get is the system log viewer
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> oh, me too
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> but I usually just type out systemsettings
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> Oh I know why too
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> The .desktop file for systemsettings is set it invisible
[16:31] <jjesse> same thing in the search in the application launcher
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> It was set to not appear in the menu
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> so it won't show up in krunner or search either
[16:32] <jjesse> ah i c
[16:32] <jjesse> is that something we could change?
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> The rationale for this move was that it's in the Computer tab of Kickoff
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> It's intentional
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> bug Riddell about it :P
[16:33] <jjesse> Riddell:  can we change system settings so it shows up in krunner and also in the application launcher?
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> Rationale for reverting the change would be:
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> -Users of the classic menu won't be able to find systemsettings if it's .desktop is set to hidden
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> -It doesn't show up in KRunner
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> -It doesn't show up in Kickoff Search
[16:36] <jjesse> or if you remove system settings from the favorites
[16:36] <jjesse> not many know to look under computer
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> right
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> It'd be inconsistent to just throw that off into a tab that people may not know to look in
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> bbl
[16:45] <Dekans> Tonio_: pv ?
[16:53] <Riddell> jjesse: yes, that NoDisplay should go, it's been patched properly in the menu now
[17:24] <Mez> argh... no KDE3?
[17:24] <ScottK-laptop> Not any more than we can help it.
[17:26] <Mez> yeah, cept KDE4 makes GTK apps look horrid
[17:26] <Mez> and now my internets is broke...
[17:26] <Riddell> right, sure, it's KDE's fault that GTK looks horrid
[17:27] <Mez> Riddell, they looked fine with the 3 version ;)
[17:27] <Mez> (which made it use the proper theming
[17:28] <smarter> Mez: make sure gtk-qt-engine-kde4 is installed
[17:28] <Mez> smarter, would do... cept I cant access the net
[17:29] <Mez> oh, and upgrading broke a little due to it not setting the correct WM for startup (I had to do that myself)
[17:29] <smarter> Mez: and looks in system settings -> Appearence ->GTK Style and Fonts
[17:29] <Mez> smarter... cant install anything atm
[17:29] <smarter> should already be installed
[17:29] <smarter> "Use My KDE Style in GTK applications" should be checked
[17:30] <Mez> is it possible to change the taskbar so that it doesnt squidge everythig down to the left... I want it to be a little more like the previous version
[17:30] <Mez> (stack on top of each other aswell as across)
[17:30] <Mez> I cant remember whether that was meant to be 4.1 or 4.2
[17:31] <Mez> i dont seem to have system settings either
[17:32] <smarter> alt+f2 -> systemsettings
[17:33] <Mez> nothig
[17:34] <apachelogger> ScottK: not mine :P
[17:34]  * apachelogger thought we actually made kde4libs-dev conflict with kdesdk
[17:36] <apachelogger> Mez: please report any issues with configuration
[17:36] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: You touched it last.
[17:36] <Mez> seeems Ive broked my PC
[17:36] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: the issue is older though
[17:36]  * Mez downloads an ISO to reinstall
[17:37] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: it's because preparetips is necessary for pot creation, Riddell is the one to poke I guess :)
[17:38] <ScottK-laptop> Then can't you just build-dep on the other package?
[17:38] <Mez> lets hope I have 3k3b
[17:38] <Tonio_> Dekans: yep ?
[17:39] <Tonio_> seele: nope the cursor bug is that it fails back to the X cursor :)
[17:39] <Tonio_> the black one
[17:41]  * apachelogger is wondering how to query strigi in 4.1
[17:42] <Mez> hmm
[17:42] <Mez> lucky i have a spare cat5
[17:43] <Mez> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[17:49]  * Mez sighs
[17:51] <apachelogger> hm
[17:51] <apachelogger> these playground strigi-analyzers are pretty broken alright
[17:53] <yuriy> apachelogger: where are your khelpcenter fixes going? 4.1 or 4.2 or both?
[17:54] <apachelogger> both
[17:54] <apachelogger> but the frontend stuff is pretty fixed already
[17:54] <apachelogger> so I will try to get nepostrigi support for 4.2 and possibly get permission to backport for 4.1
[17:54] <Mez> why the f**k doesnt kde-network manager work?
[17:55] <apachelogger> because it's 0.7svn
[17:55]  * ScottK-laptop stops typing. apachelogger was faster.
[17:55]  * Mez sighs...
[17:55] <Mez> so I cant use network now?
[17:55] <Mez> unless I use gnome?
[17:55] <Mez> or work out how to configure it manually
[17:56] <apachelogger> well, it works, partly
[17:56] <Mez> ?
[17:56] <Mez> If I click my wireless network.. it does nothing
[17:56] <apachelogger> maybe it broke due to recent updates
[17:57] <apachelogger> that would also explain why my laptop refuses to connect all of a sudden
[17:57] <apachelogger> -- Installing: /usr/lib/strigi/strigita_html.so
[17:57] <apachelogger> yay
[17:57]  * Mez sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop's
[17:57] <Mez> lets hope the gnome version works
[17:58] <Mez> if not - I now have to reinstall cause of my own stupidity
[17:58] <apachelogger> network-manager-gnome
[17:58] <Mez> yes, I know... but might as well pull everything in..
[17:58]  * apachelogger doens't get the point of that...
[17:58] <Mez> (I can play with stuff then)
[17:58] <apachelogger> Oo
[17:58] <Mez> apachelogger, cause I wanna have a look at how gnomes looking these days
[17:58] <apachelogger> Mez: you could fix knm instead :P
[17:59] <apachelogger> or kuser
[17:59] <apachelogger> or knetworkconf
[17:59] <Mez> 1) I have no idea whats wrong and 2) I have no idea how to fix it
[17:59] <apachelogger> meh
[17:59] <Mez> its more important to me to have a working system at the moment
[17:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how does one query nepgi in 4.1?
[18:00] <apachelogger> Mez: why did you upgrade to intrepid then? Oo
[18:00] <Mez> because I can deal with broken apps... not broken networking
[18:00] <Mez> I didnt expect at an alpha, networking would be broken
[18:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i don't think you do
[18:01] <apachelogger> Nightrose: why is that stuff on by default then?
[18:01]  * apachelogger sometimes really doesn't get it
[18:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: because dolphin can use it for exmaple
[18:01] <apachelogger> how?
[18:01] <Nightrose> rating and tagging and stuff
[18:02] <apachelogger> how much sense does that make without a query application?
[18:02] <Nightrose> ;-)
[18:02] <apachelogger> that is like I buy an audio cd and have no playback device
[18:02] <smarter> yay!!!
[18:02] <smarter> my Qt4 port of kvkbd finally runs :)
[18:02]  * apachelogger looks for the tag revision of 4.1 and tries to get nepomuk-kde to work
[18:03] <smarter> apachelogger: I think krunner can use strigi
[18:03] <smarter> nepomuksearch:/ kio protocol probably use it too
[18:03] <apachelogger> no
[18:03] <apachelogger> that protocol is nepomuk-kde
[18:03] <apachelogger> which is still in playground
[18:04] <smarter> good candidate for kubuntu-experimental imho
[18:04] <apachelogger> you can only package the tag revison of KDE 4.1
[18:04] <apachelogger> if even that compiles against 4.1
[18:06] <smarter> test of kvkbd4
[18:09]  * smarter is happy :]
[18:16] <smarter> who is the kdesdk guy?
[18:16] <smarter> kapptemplate is a binary but it has Architecture: all
[18:16] <smarter> so it doesn't work on my x86_64 system :/
[18:24]  * apachelogger thinks that the html analzer is workish
[18:24] <apachelogger> or maybe not :S
[18:28] <apachelogger> Nightrose: still no dev?
[18:28] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nope
[18:29] <apachelogger> Nightrose: why is that everytime I stumble upon problems I have to fix them myself because none else seems to care :(
[18:29] <seele> uh oh.. my boss just not-so-subtley asked if i had any more "trips" planned for this year..
[18:29]  * seele guesses her absence this summer was duly noted
[18:30] <Nightrose> apachelogger: :(
[18:30] <Nightrose> seele: oO
[18:30] <Nightrose> seele: tell him how you did awesome stuff and promoted your employer ;-)
[18:30] <Mez> so, is it possible to get the taskbar to stack vertically as well as horizontally?
[18:30] <seele> Nightrose: yes well, that doesn't mean anything until a contract is in place ;)
[18:31] <Nightrose> ;-)
[18:31] <smarter> Mez: no, it got removed during the KDE 4.1 dev cycle due to important change to plasma and nobody reimplemented it
[18:31]  * Mez sighs...
[18:32] <Mez> thats not good...
[18:32] <Mez> It's a waste of space
[18:35] <smarter> apachelogger: could you please upload that? http://ks33313.kimsufi.com/~smarter/pub/kdesdk_4.1.0-0ubuntu9.debdiff
[18:36] <smarter> bbl
[18:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: please sponsor smarter :)
[19:23] <jjesse> Errors were encountered while processing:
[19:23] <jjesse>  /var/cache/apt/archives/gtk-qt-engine_1%3a1.1+svn20080816-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[19:23] <jjesse> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[19:23] <jjesse> just received that on updating my intrepdi box
[19:40] <apachelogger> oh
[19:40] <apachelogger> hooray
[19:40] <apachelogger> I forgot a conflicts
[19:40] <apachelogger> -.-
[19:41] <apachelogger> jjesse: I'll fix that tomorrow, for now just install gtk-qt-engine manually
[19:41]  * apachelogger needs to leave in some minutes
[19:49] <jjesse> apachelogger: ok
[20:51] <gribelu> did anyone yet try an upgrade from hardy to intrepid alpha4? i'm wondering if it'll work :)
[21:26] <seele> anyone else having trouble with adept notifier in intrepid?
[21:26] <seele> it doesnt crash, but it doesnt do anything, either
[21:26] <jjesse> adept3? or normal adept?
[21:26] <seele> adept 2
[21:26] <jjesse> i've found it just sits there no matter how many times i click on it
[21:26] <seele> yep
[21:35] <seele> hmm.. wiki is down?
[21:53] <Riddell> win 44
[21:53] <Riddell> hmm
[23:13] <apachelogger> gribelu: last time I checked, it was still working
[23:13] <apachelogger> at least for KDE 3 -> KDE 4 ;-)
[23:13] <gribelu> hmm yeah i have both kde3 and 4 installed now
[23:14] <gribelu> should i remove 3 or 4 before the upgrade? :)