[00:35] <hggdh_> bdmurray, LaserJock commented on this (I do not remember the details, but I will search) -- he asked to take out the "change to sync"
[00:36] <hggdh_> ah, I see LaserJock already answered, sorry
[06:03] <dholbach> good morning
[06:04] <techno_freak> morning dholbach
[06:05] <dholbach> hi techno_freak
[06:08] <LaserJock> dholbach!
[06:08] <dholbach> hi LaserJock
[06:08] <LaserJock> dholbach: used your harvest-page.py today
[06:09] <dholbach> LaserJock: nice
[06:09] <LaserJock> then I made a tinyurl out of the result ;-)
[06:09] <dholbach> ahhh ok
[06:09] <dholbach> :-)
[06:09] <LaserJock> but it made for a pretty good working list
[06:09] <dholbach> that's why I couldn't find it on the wiki :)
[06:09] <dholbach> that's what I hoped
[06:09] <dholbach> which team?
[06:10] <LaserJock> ~edubuntu-bugs
[06:10] <dholbach> MOTU Science?
[06:10] <dholbach> ah ok
[06:10] <LaserJock> MOTU Science would probably be too much to do realistically I think
[06:10] <LaserJock> it's ~ 550 source packages
[06:10] <dholbach> worth a try ;-)
[06:12] <dholbach> http://tinyurl.com/6l7x9b
[06:13] <dholbach> would be nice to have all the packages that were "not found" at the top or the bottom or something
[06:15] <LaserJock> yep
[06:15] <LaserJock> that's typical for science apps
[06:16] <LaserJock> most of them don't have much going on
[06:16] <LaserJock> but you never know so you need to check anyway
[06:16] <dholbach> and that's fine
[07:12] <macvr> hi, i'm trying to report  a touchpad bug[this is my first time] the debugging page tells that i have to attach 6 different files along with the report but the launchpad site has provision for attaching ONLY 1 file... am i doing this correctly?
[07:13] <macvr> i have tried #ubuntu ,but no 1 knows , what to do!
[07:14] <Hobbsee> i think you have to attach them one at a time.
[07:14] <nullack> Macvr - you could tar them all up or add them one at a time.
[07:14] <nullack> The good thing about launchpad with bugs is that you can always add to it :)
[07:16] <macvr> oh, ok. i'm new to ubuntu so didnt know that, thank you
[07:48] <macvr> i have submitted a bug report for low touchpad sentivity, while using tap for clicking. tap clicking makes my fingers ache!!! :'(what are the chances that it will get triaged?
[09:56] <seb128> ;-)
[10:13] <nullack> Is it wrong to point a user to the dvd decryption library as a fix to his bug? I dont know what country the user is and therefore I dont know if my suggestion would be questionable or not
[10:16] <nullack> Also the user who was on here earlier (macvr) the bug he was talking about is bug #259289 - I dont have any laptops with which to replicate the issue but someone here may have
[11:16] <nullack> If no one knows the answer to the DVD decrypt library question I will raise it on the mailing list :)
[14:41] <knorr> Hey. Just started triaging. A user requests a new version of a package that's already in the repos in a previous version. Do I mark the bug as Invalid?
[14:43] <james_w> knorr: tag the bug "upgrade"
[14:43] <james_w> it's not invalid to want a new version of a program
[14:43] <james_w> if the version they want, or a later one, is in Intrepid, then mark the bug fixed released
[14:44] <james_w> if they want it for an older release then point them to how to request a backport
[14:45] <knorr> Okay. The new version is not present in intrepid, so I guess I set the status to Confirmed, add the package name of the one present in the repo, and add a tag "upgrade"?
[14:46] <techno_freak> james_w, on the same lines, what do I do when someone points to an updated version available in Debian?
[14:47] <james_w> knorr: yep, and wishlist it if you have the power
[14:47] <james_w> techno_freak: a sync request will bring it in
[14:47] <knorr> james_w: I don't ;)
[14:47] <james_w> techno_freak: but what you can do is the same as above, and mention in your comment that it is in Debian already
[14:47] <techno_freak> james_w, ok, will do it :)
[14:48] <techno_freak> james_w, on my case, there is already a bug 259347 on it, how do i triage it now?
[14:49] <techno_freak> james_w, do i add a tag  to it?
[14:49] <james_w> techno_freak: yep, you can check it's not in Intrepid, confirm it, and tag upgrade, wishlist if you can
[14:50] <techno_freak> james_w, ok thanks :)
[14:50] <james_w> techno_freak: and if you understand what to do convert it in to a sync request
[14:50] <techno_freak> ok
[14:51] <techno_freak> james_w, in addition, do no i need to subscribe another team like ubuntu-main-sponsors ?
[14:52] <james_w> if you are doing a sync request, but not just for an upgrade bug
[14:52] <techno_freak> james_w, ok :)
[15:13] <bddebian> Boo
[15:25] <nullack> Ping tseliot : FYI Nvidia have released  177.67 ;)
[15:29] <tseliot> nullack: I'll upload the new release ASAP
[15:29] <nullack> ty, will test it :)
[15:30] <tseliot> nullack: ok ;)
[15:39] <seb128> will the new version fix all those compiz crashes?
[15:40] <nullack> Release notes say stability improvements but I need to test to give you concrete outcomes
[15:41] <nullack> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_177.67.html
[15:45] <emgent> tseliot: heya
[15:46] <tseliot> emgent: hi ;)
[16:38] <nullack> Ping Pedro : Next time you need some info on one of my bugs can you please ask me if Im here, thanks
[16:40] <pedro_> nullack: next time, please use the correct nick, thanks you
[16:40] <nullack> What nick?
[16:40] <jcastro> pedro_: is there a list somewhere that shows bugs that are still NEW on Ubuntu but fixed in Debian?
[16:41] <pedro_> anyways
[16:41] <jcastro> pedro_: something like "bugs fixed elsewhere" but more specific
[16:41] <bdmurray> ogasawara: what happend to kern.log in Intrepid?
[16:42] <bdmurray> jcastro: I might be able to work that out for you
[16:42] <jcastro> so for example
[16:42] <jcastro> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rdesktop/+bug/84072
[16:42] <jcastro> this was fixed in debian but was missing a link
[16:42] <jcastro> so I linked it
[16:42] <jcastro> I figure the next step would be a list of low hanging fruit that are fixed in debian
[16:42] <ogasawara> bdmurray: what do you mean?
[16:42] <jcastro> (or upstream or whatever)
[16:43] <jcastro> bdmurray: I was going to put it in the upstream report by package, I was just seeing if you guys had something like this already
[16:43] <bdmurray> ogasawara: 2 of my systems aren't writing to kern.log but to /var/log/debug
[16:43] <ogasawara> bdmurray: huh, dunno
[16:50] <nullack> bdmurray: Im replciating that issue on Alpha 4 by default kern.log has no log messages. A cat of the file is null
[16:51] <nullack> I do not recall kernel 2.6.26 changing logging, does anyone know?
[16:52] <pedro_> jcastro: ah no that i know
[16:53] <bdmurray> bug 255635
[16:55] <bdmurray> ogasawara: did you see that?
[16:55] <nullack> bdmurray: I see its upstream with Debian. Do you have time for a quick q?
[16:55] <ogasawara> bdmurray: yup, just reading through it
[16:55] <bdmurray> ogasawara: Is there much debugging documentation that asks for kern.log?
[16:56] <ogasawara> bdmurray: seems Ben is aware of it
[16:56] <bdmurray> nullack: sure
[16:56] <ogasawara> bdmurray: only if we specifically ask for it
[16:56] <bdmurray> okay, I'll be careful then. ;)
[16:57] <nullack> bdmurray: Thanks. I have not responded to a bug in LP as Im not sure if it is allowed to resolve a DVD playback bug by providing instructions to a DEB package outside our repos for DVD2CSS? I asked earlier and was going to email the list but since your here
[16:57] <nullack> I do not know the country the reporter is in, therefore I dont know if its a problem for him or not
[16:58] <seb128> nullack: I've rejected the "totem listed several time in the open with dialog" nomination, nominations should be used for bugs that are blocker for the version nominated and that's not the case for this one
[16:58] <bdmurray> I would prefer bug reporter not be pointed to stuff outside our repos as that is not something we can help them with / take bug reports for
[16:59] <nullack> Understand, so invalid?
[16:59] <bdmurray> libdvdread3 which is in universe should be able to help them out
[17:00] <nullack> Only if its been compiled with the -libdvdcss option
[17:00] <bdmurray> nullack: look carefully at the contents of that package
[17:00] <nullack> seb128: Sebastien thats fine thanks for letting me know
[17:00] <nullack> Will do Brian, thanks
[17:00] <bdmurray> again it depends on it being legal in their country
[17:01] <seb128> nullack: btw I'm not sure the bug is easy to fix now, the variants should be listed for people who want to use the non-default backend to open a video
[17:01] <seb128> nullack: and masking the totem entry would break the nautilus association
[17:01] <nullack> seb128: Great news, and I hope next gnome cycle we have all the goodness with resindvd, deinterlace, playbin2 :) No one will have issues with ubuntu default then
[17:03] <nullack> bdmurray: I see the package is depended on the gstreamer bad plugins so that makes it an easy one to instruct for installing that package
[17:05] <jcastro> bdmurray: ok, apparently after I link it to the debian thing it shows up on harvest automatically.
[17:05] <jcastro> bdmurray: I just was wondering if the linking led to it actually getting on someone's radar
[17:06] <bdmurray> jcastro: heh, thats funny.  I've done both those bits but didn't see the connection.
[17:06] <jcastro> bdmurray: yes, my  lightbulb just went off as well
[17:06] <nullack> seb128: I consider it a usability issue of low importance. Anyway since its not choice for the default ubuntu build either will work - it only becomes a real choice later on but a user who installs xine isnt going to be so easily confused which I think mitigates the bug?
[17:07] <jcastro> bdmurray: so, this afternoon I've been linking debian bugs from your unlinked.html page.
[17:07] <seb128> nullack: well that's a bug but there is easy way to fix it as said
[17:08] <jcastro> bdmurray: I was thinking, as we 5-a-day these they'll show up on harvest
[17:08] <seb128> nullack: the non-backend-specific is required for nautilus to have a default association, the other ones are required to allow the user to select the non default one
[17:09] <seb128> nullack: the only way to fix that would be to special case that in the code which does list the applications which is ugly
[17:09] <nullack> seb128: understand
[17:10] <anakron> Bmurray
[17:10] <anakron> ping bmurray
[17:10] <bdmurray> that's not me but close enough
[17:11] <anakron> :o
[17:11] <anakron> ping bdmurray
[17:11] <Pimpy> Hi there
[17:11] <Pici> -_-
[17:11] <bdmurray> anakron: pong
[17:11] <Pimpy> Brand new on 8.10 alpha 4
[17:11] <Pimpy> :)
[17:11] <nullack> seb128: I have consistently chosen the Totem Movie player one on the default build and not had any problems. Since this issue would confuse newer users I thnk the default situation is ok - either choice works
[17:12] <nullack> seb128: It could be said those who use alternative backends are more advanced and can handle the choice
[17:13] <seb128> right
[17:14] <Pimpy> can someone help, when i move windows they are "delayed"
[17:15] <Pimpy> using nvidia main drivers version 177, 8.10 alpha 4
[17:15] <Pimpy> thanks
[17:15] <nullack> Pimpy on that configuration - have synched today? Lots of X and gnome bits have changed. Is your mirror up to date?
[17:16] <Pimpy> hi nullack synched ? i am a naab man, since 2 months on 8.04, since 2 days on 8.10
[17:17] <nullack> Pimpy: Goto software sources, change mirror to main, goto update manager, update
[17:17] <Pimpy> thing i have it in FR
[17:17] <Pimpy> you mean on the main source code ?
[17:17] <nullack> Pimpy lets take this to private chat this chan isnt for support ok
[17:18] <Pimpy> ok sorry
[17:28] <Pimpy> thanks for this help, guys, waiting update to go from main source, then reboot :)
[17:28] <nullack> Cheers Pimpy, cya
[17:42] <Pimpy> hi, i did the upgrade for packages from main source, pc was not booting, had to choose safe mode, then resume normal boot, still "lag" in windows when i move them
[17:51] <nullack> bdmuarry: Ive taken a close look at libdvdread in Ubuntu and I dont think it is compiling with libdvdcss. URL: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libd/libdvdread/libdvdread_0.9.7-10ubuntu1.diff.gz
[17:51] <nullack> bdmurray: I note build flags are CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" LDFLAGS="-Wl,-z,defs" ./configure --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) --prefix=/usr
[17:52] <bdmurray> I was talking about install-css.sh
[17:52] <nullack> bdmurray: I compile my own mplayer for testing comparison purposes (I do gstreamer and totem tests)  and the build flag requires --with-libdvdcss
[17:52] <pheeror> Pimpy: that's bad ;-)
[17:53] <pheeror> Pimpy: what driver for you nvidia card do you use?
[17:53] <pheeror> Pimpy: whatever the answer is, try another one ;-)
[17:53] <nullack> bdmuarry: Hmm, the puzzle deepens I'll look more
[17:53] <pheeror> Pimpy: because it's very probably the source of the problem and you can identify it this way
[17:59] <nullack> Anyone: Where are shell scripts kept in the repos? How do I search for scripts on the packages website?
[18:01] <james_w> nullack: shell scripts that are part of packages?
[18:02] <nullack> james_w: Yes, install-css.sh
[18:02] <james_w> nullack: that would be in the package
[18:02] <nullack> james_w: Got ya, ta
[18:07] <Pimpy> nullack,  you dont go to sleep ? ::
[18:08] <nullack> No Im between contracts so Im keeping my own hours
[18:08] <nullack> Plus its peaceful with my wife is asleep :)
[18:10] <nullack> Pimpy: If youve synched your Alpha to the repos and continue to have problems, consider a bug report if your out of ideas or try to diagnose it further. Remember your OS is in an alphe release state
[19:08] <chrisccoulson> just come across bug 234961 against gnome-power-manager.
[19:09] <chrisccoulson> i think this could be in hal or g-p-m. does anyone have any ideas for the best way to determine this?
[19:20] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: I thought there was a debugging page about g-p-m
[19:20] <chrisccoulson> there is, and the reporter has posted a log file requested from the debugging page
[19:21] <chrisccoulson> ah
[19:21] <chrisccoulson> 1 second
[19:21] <chrisccoulson> it provides details of getting the info from HAL too. Missed that bit!
[19:21] <chrisccoulson> thanks!
[19:22] <chrisccoulson> i was just about to ask the reporter to get the info from hal using dbus-send
[19:51] <nullack> Do we have an automated regression test harness?
[19:51] <kees> nullack: some scripts are written in qa-regression-testing project
[19:52] <nullack> Is that on LP?
[19:53] <nullack> Got it, ty https://code.launchpad.net/qa-regression-testing
[19:56] <kees> nullack: yup, that's the one.
[20:21] <bdmurray> pedro_: ping
[20:22] <pedro_> bdmurray: hi
[20:22] <bdmurray> pedro_: Is it just me or did the location of System -> Administration switch ordering with Preferences?
[20:24] <nullack> Yes it did Brian
[20:24] <bdmurray> I find that really disconcerting
[20:24] <pedro_> yup it changed
[20:25] <nullack> Users seemed to adapt to it on the forums its been that way for some alphas. One user has it down as a "feature" of whats new in Intrepid in his thread
[20:26] <nullack> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=886980
[20:27] <seb128> the order switch is an ubuntu patch not sure why it's broken but it'll likely be fixed before intrepid
[20:27] <bdmurray> seb128: cool, that's what I wanted to hear. ;)
[20:27] <nullack> Hey Sebastien is the logout thing due to an Ubuntu patch? Ronacc was saying he thinks it is
[20:28] <seb128> what logout?
[20:28] <nullack> The inability to shutdown with a user login and having to logout for shutdown or shutdown -r now
[20:28] <nullack> Ronacc says he cant find it upstream
[20:28] <seb128> it's a debian and ubuntu thing and there is a bug milestoned already
[20:29] <nullack> Yes I know its bugged just wanted to calrify where it was :)
[20:29] <seb128> debian disagree on making consolekit uses policykit because that creates a dependencies circle
[20:30] <nullack> Well gnome must cope with it - but Im not across it properly to make any informed comment
[20:30] <seb128> well, that's a design decision, pitti who maintains those in ubuntu has some ideas on how to fix that but he's on holidays
[20:31] <seb128> no need to worry that will be fixed before the intrepid beta version
[20:32] <nullack> cool
[20:35] <nullack> Pedro_ Ping
[20:35] <pedro_> nullack: pong
[20:36] <nullack> I dont know much about how the sound works, can you help me? I get static when playing never winter nights sometimes, and Ive noticed some users mention it too
[20:37] <seb128> that's going to be complicated
[20:37] <nullack> I can learn :)
[20:37] <seb128> you first might want to try using alsa directly rather than pulseaudio and see if that makes a difference
[20:37] <seb128> the issue is not learning
[20:37] <seb128> but the linux audio stack currently is far to be optimal
[20:38] <seb128> some issue are due to linux scheduling, some are due to sound servers, etc
[20:38] <nullack> Difficult to debug eh
[20:39] <nullack> Would a placemarker bug help at all?
[20:39] <seb128> try if using pulseaudio makes a difference or not
[20:39] <nullack> Ok will do
[20:39] <seb128> there is probably lot of similar bugs already open
[20:39] <nullack> Pedro have you had similar problems?
[20:40] <seb128> lot of users are having audio issues
[20:40] <nullack> seb128: I saw some but not intrepid Ill do a better look in LP
[20:40] <pedro_> nullack: nop sorry
[20:40] <nullack> seb128: are hardy bug reports relevant with the build for intrepid? with sound?
[20:40] <pedro_> i only have a very very very low noise when playing music but i only can hear it with my headphones on
[20:41] <seb128> there is not lot of changes between hardy and intrepid so bugs might be revelant
[20:41] <pedro_> but that's a known problem for me since using linux :-P
[20:42] <nullack> pedro_ : hehe
[20:50] <LimCore> hi
[20:50] <LimCore> kleopatra not working. anyone can confirm/unconfirm?
[21:48] <|dupondje|> thx bdrung :)
[21:48] <|dupondje|> any id when it will get in the repo's ? ;)
[22:01] <bdrung> |dupondje|: no problem. i can ping dholbach tomorrow and ask him to review the patch. then its needs to build and uploaded to the archive and then the mirrors must sync. so at least two days (i assume). if you want it faster, then you can build the package on your own.
[22:07] <|dupondje|> I did that already ;)
[22:27] <bdrung> dupondje: and it works fine?
[22:27] <dupondje> downloaded the ubuntu source
[22:28] <dupondje> and used the patch I linked to in my bugreport
[22:28] <dupondje> then compiled
[22:28] <dupondje> works like a charm :)
[22:31] <bdrung> dupondje: you can download the debian version 1.5.1-3 from http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/audacious.html and grab http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16934576/audacious_1.5.1-3ubuntu1.debdiff from bug #256574 and apply this.
[22:47] <dupondje> mmm need to update deps also :(
[22:47] <bdrung> dupondje: are you using hardy or intrepid?
[22:48] <dupondje> intrepid :)
[22:48] <dupondje> but I got it fixxed now :D
[22:48] <bdrung> dupondje: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:48] <dupondje> ii  audacious                                  1.5.1-3ubuntu1
[22:48] <dupondje> :P
[22:49] <dupondje> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/audacious <- still the old ? :)
[22:51] <bdrung> dupondje: follow the bugreport. after the bug is marked as "fix released" it need some hours and then you can grab it.
[22:51] <dupondje> just compiled my own from debian version and then debdiff :p
[22:52] <bdrung> dupondje: it would be better if change the version in debian/changelog and add a ~pre1 or something similar. so that when the real 1.5.1-3ubuntu1 you can upgrade
[22:53] <dupondje> i'll delete and reinstall from repo's then :)
[22:56] <dupondje> thx for the help anyway
[22:56] <dupondje> its cool its fixxed now :D
[23:01] <bdrung> dupondje: the big task was to clean up the ubuntu changes. there were some useless html files in there.
[23:02] <dupondje> :p
[23:02] <dupondje> indeed useless
[23:03] <dupondje> btw another bug it seems, when u enable Numlock @ loginscreen, the numpad doesn't work ...
[23:22] <bdrung> dupondje: is it already reported upstream or in debian?
[23:23] <bdrung> dupondje: filed in ubuntu? if not please open a bugreport
[23:24] <dupondje> i'll do tomorrow :)
[23:46] <james_w> bdmurray: hey, did you see this? http://qa-rockstar.livejournal.com/7097.html
[23:47] <bdmurray> james_w: nope, thanks