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Egghead2is there anyway to send more the just the chnl numbers to the external channel change script, using myth 8.04?00:25
lagawhat do you want to send?00:26
Egghead2anykey would work really00:26
Egghead2i have a disntnet stb and somtime it gets stuck on a non channel, and only chnl up or down get u out of it00:27
lagayou can peridiocally sent other stuff over the irblaster00:30
Egghead2well i could also use irexec, but i have two dishnet stb's connected so it wouldnt know what lirc remote command to send00:31
Egghead2unless there is a way (veriable) i could see within a sh script?00:32
lagaso you would send <channel number> + channel up?00:32
lagadoes that make sense?00:32
tgm4883your remote needs a shift button ;)00:33
lagamaybe <channel number -1> + <channel up>, but that's probably useless if it doesn't switch the channel00:33
lagaor just send channel up and then send channel number00:33
Egghead2no i would call the menu, then change chnl to a known good chnl, then send select00:33
lagayou can hack your channel changer script to do that00:33
lagaeg do your stuff first then send channel number00:34
Egghead2well the script never receives anything but chnl numbers, no keys00:34
MythbuntuGuest93when trying to setup mythtv backend setup i am getting a "cannot login to database?" error message. anyone know a solution for this?00:34
tgm4883Egghead2, he is saying that it would always do said command00:35
Egghead2ahhh, hmmmmm00:35
Egghead2i dont want to do the same command on every chnl change, but only when myth screws up and puts me on a chnl that dish isnt using00:36
GreybeardGuest93: it could be an incorrect password or username00:37
Egghead2when that happens the only way to continue is either chnl up or chnl down, or menu (all dishnetwork commands)00:37
MythbuntuGuest93i am using the default username and password00:38
Greybeardthe MySQL connection parameters are in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt00:38
GreybeardI don't think there is one default password00:39
GreybeardAFAIK, it's generated randomly00:39
MythbuntuGuest93i mean the generated password00:39
Greybeardcan you connect using the mysql command?00:39
Greybeardfirst check that mysqld is actually running00:39
Greybeardpgrep -l mysqld00:40
MythbuntuGuest93i typed that command it says 4796 mysqld_safe00:41
MythbuntuGuest934838 mysqld00:41
Greybeardso, it's running00:41
Greybeardmysql -u mysql -p will try to connect00:41
Greybeardyou'll have to type the password00:42
zelda1hello everyone. Im thinking of getting this.  http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1800mckit.html Does mythbuntu support both analog and digital signals?00:44
Greybeardhttp://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-180000:45
Greybeardno to NTSC currently00:46
MythbuntuGuest93says error 1045 (28000): access denied for user 'mysql'@'localhost' (using password:YES)00:47
zelda1Greybeard: is that a good all around card?00:48
GreybeardI have no idea00:48
GreybeardMythbuntuGuest93: sorry, the command you need to try is "mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg"00:48
Greybeardmysql and mythtv both start with "my" so I get them confused00:49
zelda1would you recommend mythtv/mythbuntu for a mcpc?00:49
zelda1or beyondtv/sagetv?00:49
Greybeardthe HVR-1800 definitely isn't a good choice for NTSC, since it doesn't work on Linux yet00:49
Greybeardbut, people shouldn't be buying new equipment for NTSC anyway00:50
zelda1yeah but Ive got cable and stuff.00:50
zelda1not the NTSC analog00:50
MythbuntuGuest93gerybeard: nope still same error00:50
zelda1and I'm not paying extra for "HD" channels.00:50
GreybeardMythbuntuGuest93: it sounds like you don't have the right password00:50
zelda1so, will or wont it work?00:51
Greybeardzelda1: I'm not sure what you're asking00:51
zelda1greybeard: im asking would I be better off going with the 1600 then?00:51
MythbuntuGuest93greybeard: i am typing in the generated password00:52
Greybeardwell, for some reason, it doesn't seem to like the password00:52
MythbuntuGuest93i just changed the password and still does not work00:53
Greybeardhow did you change the password?00:53
Greybeardhttp://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 indicates the driver is of beta quality, so that's probably not a great choice either00:54
zelda1hey greybeard: In mythbuntu, can I select what I want the video to encode to? I.e mpeg2, mkv, iso, avi, etc?00:54
Greybeardyou mean for transcoding?00:54
MythbuntuGuest93greybeard: sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database00:55
Greybeardinternal MythTV transcoding is limited00:55
Greybeardyeah, did that fix the database problem?00:55
Greybeardthe internal MythTV transcoding seems to only produce either NUV container files or MPEG Program Streams00:55
GreybeardI'm using mencoder to transcode video to H.264 and mkvmerge to create Matroska MKV files00:56
Greybeardbtw, I'm using one each of the http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Air2PC cards00:57
MythbuntuGuest93greybeard: thanks for your help anyway00:57
Greybeardthe older design tends to have more trouble receiving some stations00:58
Greybeardsure00:58
Greybeardyou might want to get rid of all mysql databases and then install mythtv-database again00:58
zelda1hrm.00:59
zelda1so what in your opinion is a good all around capture carD?01:00
Greybeard"sudo aptitude purge mysql-server-5.0 mythtv-database" should get rid of everything01:00
Greybeardif by "all around" you mean able to receive both NTSC and ATSC, then I don't know01:00
GreybeardI have one system with two ATSC receivers and one with two NTSC receivers01:00
zelda1well transcoding. which is the best01:00
rhpot1991_laptopdepends on the source01:01
zelda1well im trying to build a Media center box/tivo/nas01:01
rhpot1991_laptopand where you live, etc01:01
Greybeardzelda, are you talking about receiver hardware, or software transcoding?01:01
Greybearddigital receiver hardware doesn't do any encoding or decoding01:01
Greybeardsome analog receiver cards encode to MPEG201:02
zelda1well, then software.. I want the tv I record to be put in like mp4 or mp201:02
GreybeardI have a system with one PVR-350 and one PVR-150 that each encode from cable01:02
zelda1instead of this weird file i cant convert01:02
Greybeardif MPEG streams come from the hardware, that's what MythTV records01:03
zelda1the main reason I was looking at that hvr1800 is cause its got digital/analog/fm on it and IR01:03
Greybeardon my system with PVR-x50s, it records MPEG Program Streams and on my machine with ATSC receivers, it records MPEG Transport Streams01:03
Greybeardwell, the hvr1800 is a bad choice for use on Linux unless you don't care about analog NTSC01:03
zelda1well I have a cable box it would hookup to.01:04
zelda1Dish/DirecTV boxes.01:04
Greybeardhow would it hook up to those?01:04
zelda1referring to NTSC or ASTC?01:05
Greybeardwell, it could be Firewire for all I know01:05
zelda1coaxial01:05
GreybeardI assume you mean NTSC modulated RF signal01:06
zelda1like any other PVR/DVR01:06
Greybeardhttp://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_pvr500mckit.html is probably closer to what you want01:06
zelda1no not rf modulated01:06
Greybeardso, composite video?01:06
zelda1well the cards dont have composite inputs.01:07
zelda1so rf-3601:07
zelda1the standard cabling.01:08
zelda1well damn, how bout i tell you what I want to accomplish, and you tell me the best fit01:08
GreybeardI have a PVR-150 that definitely has RF, S-Video, and RCA composite video ins01:10
GreybeardI'm not entirely sure about the PVR-50001:10
Greybeardthey're very similar, but the PVR-150 has one tuner/capture device and the PVR-500 has two01:11
zelda1well Im trying to build a PVR/DVR01:11
Greybeardit seems you've come to the right place01:11
zelda1LOL01:11
zelda1but that isnt the only thing I want it to do.01:11
zelda1which is fine.01:12
Greybeardit looks like the PVR-500 has one RCA composite video in and one S-Video in, but I'm not sure if they go to the same or different capture devices01:12
zelda1Im looking for a tv capture card that will work capture the cable boxes coaxial signal. That well encode the things i record in smaller files. Something like mpeg2/mp4/avi or something so that I can easily take those and reencode them.01:14
zelda1and I want to be able to record 2 channels at once.01:14
Greybeardall of the PVR-x50 encode to MPEG Program Streams with MPEG2 video and MPEG audio AFAIK01:14
Greybeardhttp://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-500 says that there is one set of inputs on the back and another on headers on the card01:15
Greybeardthere may be cheaper ones than the Hauppauge ones though01:15
zelda1ok so, does youre 350 work ok?01:15
Greybeardyeah, both the 350 and 150 work great01:15
Greybeardfor display on an analog TV, the PVR-350 is about the best quality you can get IMHO01:16
zelda1well i use LCD TV. I dont have HD coming in from the cable but will that 350 record really good quailty?01:17
Greybeardboth the 350 and 150 have configurable bitrates, so you can make it as high or low as you want01:17
Greybeardif you don't need output, the 150 is quite a bit cheaper01:17
Greybeardit may even be hard to find 350s any more01:17
Greybeardif you want higher compression with good quality, you probably want a device that encodes to MPEG-4 video01:18
zelda1which is something the 350 cant do.01:18
Greybeardno, the x50s all encode MPEG2 video01:19
zelda1Im going to be using a 250gb drive.01:19
Greybeardwhy?01:19
zelda1why not?01:19
Greybeardget a 500 at least01:19
zelda1really?01:19
DogBoymore is always better01:19
Greybeardif you're getting one new, 500s are a lot better value01:19
zelda1the TIVO ones have 160gb in there.01:19
zelda1ok.01:20
GreybeardI built a system a couple of years ago for my brother's family01:20
Greybeardit has a 250GiB drive and one PVR-350 and one PVR-15001:20
zelda1so in other words, im stuck not using mythbuntu for the mcpc os01:20
Greybeardit has enough storage for them AFAIK01:20
Greybeardyou are?01:20
zelda1well what is a good card that will encode mp4?01:21
GreybeardI don't have any experience with those01:21
tgm4883_laptopGreybeard, IIRC that is not the consensus among most pvr-350 users01:21
Greybeardwhat isn't?01:21
tgm4883_laptop<Greybeard> for display on an analog TV, the PVR-350 is about the best quality you can get IMHO01:21
Greybeardwell, I don't know what other people are saying, but the video quality is very good01:22
tgm4883_laptopFrom what I've seen, most people don't even bother with it01:22
zelda1well then whats a good recommendation?01:23
GreybeardI don't have an analog TV, so I don't personally have any use for PVR-350s, but for that situation, it's a good choice01:23
zelda1They do have that standalone hdpvr that encodes h.26401:23
Greybeardzelda1 isn't using an analog TV, so a PVR-350 wouldn't be a good choice01:23
tgm4883_laptopalso, if you are looking for the PVR cards, you will need to go to ebay as they are EOL01:24
Greybeardso, they might be cheap!01:24
tgm4883_laptopcould be01:24
zelda1hrm.01:25
tgm4883_laptopalso the HDPVR isn't well supported yet01:27
tgm4883_laptopbut it's getting there01:27
Greybeardhttp://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Mpeg_encoder_capture_cards has several cards01:28
Greybeardhttp://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Plextor_ConvertX has a wide variety of encoding options01:29
zelda1yeah but those record in mpeg201:32
Greybearddid you read about the Plextor_ConvertX?01:32
Greybeardbtw, MythTV has always supported software encoding01:33
Greybeardit originally worked only with simple capture cards and encoded the video in software01:34
zelda1yeah reading some wiki on it.01:35
Greybeardthe main advantage of a hardware encoder is to take load of the CPU, but that's less of an issue now than five years ago or more01:35
zelda1I also want to be able to play mp3 and burn dvds with the recorded stuff. MythTV will do that right?01:35
zelda1Well Im going to be using that on a p4 2.6 system.01:36
zelda12gb ram01:36
Greybeardwith a modern dual-core CPU, you could probably encode great quality H.264 in real time if you wanted01:36
Greybeardat least MPEG4 ASP01:36
tgm4883_laptopzelda1, what do you want to record to?01:36
zelda1what do you mean?01:36
tgm4883_laptopwhat format01:36
zelda1well the smallest poss. so mabe mp4/avi or something.01:37
zelda1er maybe01:37
zelda1h.26401:37
tgm4883_laptoptheres only one that will encode directly to that01:37
tgm4883_laptopthe HDPVR01:37
GreybeardI don't think MythTV can encode H.264 yet, though it can do MPEG4 ASP01:37
zelda1I want to be able to put a ton of stuff on there without having to get 1TB drives.01:37
rhpot1991that cpu wont cut h26401:38
rhpot1991not in HD at least01:38
rhpot1991might not even cut it in SD01:38
Greybeardof course not01:38
Greybeardwere talking about SD01:38
zelda1yeah well, I dont mind SD thats fine. Its the format encoding too.01:39
zelda1I found SageTV and BeyondTV01:40
Greybeardmencoder can transcode 720P MPEG2 to H.264 720P@29.97 on my Athlon64 X2 5700 in near real time01:40
rhpot1991zelda1: you can always use ffmpeg to transcode to whatever you want01:40
rhpot1991Greybeard: giving it both cores?01:41
Greybeardpartly01:41
Greybeardthe encoder can't quite fill both up, but mostly01:41
rhpot1991how do you know its near real time?01:41
zelda1well Im talking on a single core p401:41
Greybeardffmpeg tends to lose sync when the recording is damaged, so I'm using mencoder, which doesn't seem to have that problem01:42
Greybeardand you're also talking about much lower resolution01:42
zelda1yeah like 48001:42
rhpot1991interesting, I haven't had problems with ffmpeg, but I've only used for portable devices only at this point01:42
zelda1p at most.01:42
GreybeardI can tell it's nearly real time because the total time to transcode a recording is similar to the playtime01:43
rhpot1991ah ok01:43
zelda1SageTV will encode to h.264. directly01:43
Greybeardmencoder constantly reports frame rates and estimated time remaining01:43
rhpot1991zelda1: you can setup a user job to do all of that for you01:43
rhpot1991once it is done recording, encode then remove the old01:43
zelda1to do what?01:46
zelda1look at beyondTV. it does what I want it to do.01:46
rhpot1991make h.264's out of your recording01:46
rhpot1991ok, then use that01:46
zelda1yeah but I dont want to pay the 150 for the software01:46
rhpot1991then setup a user job to do the exact same thing01:47
GreybeardI don't think encoding to H.264 is as that terribly important01:47
* tgm4883_laptop sighs01:47
zelda1well if thats the smallest, then its good so I can put more on the HDD>01:48
zelda1and h.264 is ipod, and iphone. blackberry compatible.01:48
Greybeardto fit on those it has to be pretty small, doesn't it?01:48
Greybearddo you want that reduced quality for TV watching?01:48
zelda1is there a program out there that will automatically encode from mpeg2 to mpeg4 or h.26401:48
zelda1?01:48
Greybeardyes01:49
Greybeardmany01:49
tgm4883_laptopmythexport01:49
tgm4883_laptopjust set up a user job for it01:49
zelda1that will do it?01:49
Greybeardnuvexport is the main one for MythTV01:49
Greybeardnuvexport is designed to produce formats for iPods and similar devices01:49
zelda1well then why not use mythtv with that software that will do that on the fly and delete the old software.01:50
zelda1er old recording so I dont have to mess with it.01:50
Greybeardwhy not indeed!01:50
zelda1can you do that?01:50
rhpot1991mythexport does it, but is geared towards portable devices (ipod, psp, zune, etc)01:50
zelda1again im running that on a older p4 2.601:50
tgm4883_laptopAFAIK, it doesn't do it on the fly01:50
Greybeardhttp://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexport01:51
rhpot1991in theory you could just use it and pump up the specs for non portable, but I haven't had much feedback saying that works or doesn't01:51
rhpot1991zelda1: thats exactly what I was saying to do, with a user job01:51
rhpot1991then it will happen on each recording and you won't need to do a thing01:51
zelda1well I still want to be able to watch them on the lcd tv, and when I can transfer the file to portables.01:52
rhpot1991kinda hard to have one that is good enough at both01:52
Greybeardso, you can have MythTV encode to NuppelVideo in software or use a PVR-x50 to record MPEG2 files01:52
Greybeardthen, the jobs can transcode to other formats01:52
rhpot1991will either suck on your lcd, or be too big for your portable01:52
rhpot1991I just have multiple copies when thats the case, one for ipod and one for mythtv still01:53
Greybeardthat's why I don't think the PVR needs H.264 as badly as the portable devices do01:53
rhpot1991working on the script to keep those portable files in check right now :)01:53
Greybeardif you only want the smaller, lower quality files, you can just discard the originals01:53
rhpot1991Greybeard: I don't even like doing h264 on there, it takes forever to make them01:53
rhpot1991gotta compress so much and all01:53
zelda1well I dont. MP4 would be fine.01:53
rhpot1991ya mpeg4 works really well01:53
zelda1I can get what 720i/p on those?01:54
Greybeardrhpot1991: what kinds of rates of h.264 encoding do you get?01:54
Greybeardzelda1: you said you'd have NTSC inputs, which is about 480i01:54
rhpot1991Greybeard: I don't claim to be an encoding expert, I've done most of my research based on things I read to have work on devices01:54
zelda1well yeah its NTSC. But its coming from Dish.01:55
rhpot1991Greybeard: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythexport/trunk/annotate/10?file_id=mythexport-20080624051109-qq0w7i23958bzezo-301:55
zelda1I dont have HD from there yet.01:55
Greybeardis mythexport related to nuvexport?01:56
zelda1how many MB does a normal 30min show take?01:56
Greybeardencoded by what?01:56
zelda1mp4.01:56
zelda1or mp201:56
Greybeardusing a PVR-x50, pretty good quality is obtained from about 1GiB/hr01:57
rhpot1991Greybeard: I let the users pass whatever bitrate they want into it, so it all depends, my userjob is setup to do 600kb01:57
tgm4883_laptopmy 30 min shows are about 1.1GB01:57
Greybeardrhpot1991: you said encoding to H.264 took forever, so I was wondering how much slower than real time it was01:58
balzwhat is the command to bring up the mythbuntu backend config?01:59
Greybeardmost of the backend configuration is in mythtv-setup01:59
Greybeardsome is in mythfrontend, though01:59
zelda1ok, so I can still get mythTV, and get extra software that will reencode the mp2 to like mp4 or h.264 that woudl be better right? That would be good quality using a 720p TV?02:03
balzgreybeard:  thanks!  if i run that from an ssh in another box, that should show up on my tv then, right?02:03
balzI can't read the normal xfce menus on my tv...02:03
Greybeardif you're recording from an NTSC signal, it won't ever be close to 720p02:03
Greybeardin quality02:03
balzGreybeard:  yeah i've noticed02:03
Greybeardbalz: you need to run mythtv-setup?02:04
Greybeardif the TV's too fuzzy, you might want to forward the X connection over SSH to your desktop or laptop or whatever02:04
balzGreybeard:  Yes.  I need to try switching my channel table because I can't change channels from an analog cable feed in myth02:04
Greybeardor use VNC02:04
zelda1well even 480i/p is decent quality02:04
Greybeardit's all relative02:04
zelda1hrm. Ill hit up ebay for a pvr35002:05
Greybeard480p movies on DVD can look very good, but I've never seen close to the same quality from TV02:05
Greybeardzelda1: if you aren't using an analog TV, a PVR-350 isn't for you02:05
Greybeardif you only want to record NTSC, get a PVR-150 or a PVR-50002:06
balzIn fact, does anybody know why I'm not able to change channels from within myth?  I have a pvr-150 an an analog cable feed going in02:06
zelda1well?02:06
Greybeardconnected to the coaxial RF input?02:06
Greybeardwhat happens when you try to change channels?02:07
balzGreybeard:  nothing.  i've tried with my remote and the keyboard02:07
balzand yes, it's connected to the coaxial input02:07
tgm4883_laptopzelda1, well?02:07
balzI can get channels 2-9 by hitting the number buttons on the remote, but that's it02:07
Greybeardyou mean nothing is displayed when you push up or down?02:07
zelda1obviously tv isnt going to compare to DVD. But 480i/p is ok. Id prefer 720i/p but on an LCD?02:08
Greybeardso you are able to change channels then02:08
balzno. i mean it just won't change the channel. it stays on whatever channel it was on02:08
Greybeardok02:08
balzGreybeard:  yes, but only 2-9 using the numbers on the remote02:08
balzneither the keyboard nor the remote can change go through channels up or down02:08
Greybeardso, up and down don't work, but the digits do?02:08
tgm4883_laptopzelda1, i'm confused, are you saying you want to record the 480i signal, then convert it to 720p?02:08
Greybeardyeah, I'm still trying to figure out what zelda1 wants too02:09
zelda1no. I have a 720p LCD TV02:09
balzGreybeard:  yes.  I suppose that's a much less convoluted way of sayign it=)02:09
zelda1I have dish.02:09
GreybeardI don't think I've seen that problem before02:09
Greybeardyou should look at the backend log02:10
balzhow would I access that?02:10
balzcan i pastebin it for you to look at?  i wouldn't even know where to start02:10
zelda1Im going to capture 720p02:10
Greybeardit's usually in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log02:10
Greybeardsure, paste away02:10
Greybeardzelda1: how are you going to capture 720p with a composite video input?02:11
zelda1well wtf then? composite is 480i/p?02:13
balzugh PuTTY is a b*tch to cut and paste with...02:13
tgm4883_laptopzelda1, your not capturing 720p video.  You can capture 480i though and it will look quite nice coming from a digital source02:13
tgm4883_laptopyes composite (and svideo) arae 480i02:13
Greybeardcomposite video from an NTSC source is pretty much 480i02:13
tgm4883_laptops/arae/are02:13
zelda1ok, then thats what im going to record in02:13
tgm4883_laptopzelda1, what tv do you have02:14
Greybeardso, what were discussing earlier is that that signal is never going to look as good as true 720p on a 720p LCD TV02:14
tgm4883_laptopcause i'm assuming that is the question, how to get your signal there from the computer02:14
Greybeardbalz: Putty has several options for clipboard behavior02:15
zelda1its a samsung 32" LCD02:15
tgm4883_laptopzelda1, model number02:15
balzGreybeard: I shoud look into those...02:15
balzanyway, here it is:  http://pastebin.com/mddf5cf902:15
zelda1ln t3242h02:16
GreybeardI don't see anything related to tuning there02:16
rhpot1991Greybeard: I wrote mythexport, modified from ipodexport that someone else wrote02:16
Greybeardyou may need to start mythbackend with "-v channel"02:17
balzGreybeard: wait no... i'm missing like half of it02:17
Greybeardok02:17
balzhang on. sorry. stupid PuTTY lol02:17
Greybeardon Ubuntu, /etc/default/mythtv-backend has options for starting mythbackend02:17
tgm4883_laptopzelda1, why don't you use the vga in ?02:18
balzGreybeard:  how can I select the entire log file to be copied?  I can only hilight what is immediately visible in the window... which isn't much02:18
zelda1http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/Samsung-LN-T3242H.htm02:19
Greybeardemail might be the easiest way02:19
zelda1thats not going to be 72002:19
rhpot1991Greybeard: took my 5000+ x2 about 8 mins to do a 30 min SD recording, using a single core IIRC02:19
rhpot1991in xvid02:19
tgm4883_laptopbalz, i'd do the "-X -Y" switch and use gedit02:19
Greybeardyeah, that's not bad02:19
tgm4883_laptopzelda1, wtf?02:20
rhpot1991h264 takes a lot longer though02:20
balztgm4883_laptop:  I'm on a windows client here02:20
tgm4883_laptopbalz, try it anyway?02:20
balztgm4883_laptop:  and what do you mean by -x and -y switch?02:20
Greybeardcopy the log file to your local machine and then you can open it with Wordpad or something02:20
tgm4883_laptopbalz, do "ssh ip -X -Y"02:20
tgm4883_laptopi'm not entirely sure how putty works though02:21
Greybeardbut that won't work out of the box on Winders02:21
balzGreybeard:  forgive my utter n00b-ness.  what's the c ommand to copy the file to the windows client?02:21
tgm4883_laptopzelda1, do you know what 720p is?02:21
Greybeardnothing to forgive02:21
balztgm4883_laptop:  thanks. will try in a sec02:21
Greybeardputty does have an scp command, but WinSCP might be easier02:21
Greybeardhttp://winscp.net/eng/download.php02:22
GreybeardWinSCP uses the SCP and SFTP protocols that are part of SSH, so if you can connect with Putty, you should be able to transfer files with WinSCP02:22
tgm4883_laptopzelda1, i'm going to eat, but wikipedia it02:23
zelda1yeah its 720x128002:23
Greybeardspecifically, 720p means 720 lines of resolution in a progressive frame02:23
Greybeardthe image is usually 1280 rows across02:23
zelda1yeah i know taht02:24
zelda1thats basic.02:24
zelda1and its progressive02:24
balzGreybeard:  that's a cool little tool!02:25
Greybeardyeah, Putty and WinSCP can make Windows bearable02:25
balzGreaybeard:  lol. well put.  Anyway, here's the pastebined file:  http://pastebin.com/mdcfa76902:26
zelda1well cause one of the tvs im using doesnt have vga port on it.02:26
Greybeardok, it looks like some database problems, rather than hardware02:26
balzGreybeard:  this is good news =)02:26
Greybeardhave you been able to run mythtv-setup?02:27
balzah let me do that real quick02:27
balzhmm i just got a gtk warning:  cannot open display02:27
Greybeardsince you're on Windows, VNC might be useful for that, though it's one more little thing to download02:27
balzoh okay. now what is vnc exactly? i've heard the name before02:28
Greybeardall X programs need to have the DISPLAY variable set02:28
Greybeardif you connect by ssh, the variable won't be set02:28
Greybearduse a command like "export DISPLAY=:0"02:28
Greybeardthen run mythtv-setup02:28
Greybeardhttp://www.tightvnc.com/02:29
zelda1http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130178 thats the System Bord02:29
zelda1er board02:29
balzGreybeard:  i do this after installing VNC?02:29
Greybeardif you can see mythtv-setup on the TV, you don't need VNC02:29
Greybeardare you able to use it there?02:29
balzyeah. xprop:  unable to open display02:30
Greybeardbalz: did you run "export DISPLAY=:0" ?02:30
balzyeah... oh you know what?  i didn't use caps02:30
Greybeardyeah, most things on Unix-like operating systems are case-sensitive02:31
balz(zenity:7611): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap",02:31
balz(zenity:7611): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap",02:31
balz(zenity:7611): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap",02:31
zelda1hrm, ok. I will get back to you guys later. im going to go eat.02:31
Greybearddid a window come up?02:32
Greybeardsee you later, zelda102:32
balzhmm let me see02:32
GreybeardI'm not sure if those GTK warnings were important02:32
GreybeardI see warnings like that all the time02:32
zelda1I want the best card out there. that will record 2 channels at once, and has a fm tuner02:33
zelda1thats the hvr1800.02:33
balzGreybeard:  a promt came up but i couldn't read it02:33
balzlet me try one more tiem02:33
Greybeardwell, "best" depends on a lot of things02:33
Greybeardyou can't read it because it's too fuzzy?02:33
zelda1that has 2 NTSC tuners on there, but no composite/component pots.02:33
balzGreybeard:  score.  i had a dvd running02:34
balzi'm in the backend config02:34
GreybeardI think the hvr1800 has one ATSC and one NTSC tuner, doesn't it?02:34
Greybeardok, good02:34
balzwhat do i do now?02:34
Greybeardyou need to check the capture card configurations02:35
zelda1with dual tuner NTSC/ASTC/QAM TV tuners02:35
Greybeardyeah, not very precise02:35
balzGreybeard:  okay i'm in the caputre card setup02:35
Greybearddo you see your cards there?02:35
zelda1Composite/S-Video and audio inputs, for cable or satellite set top boxes or  VCRs.02:35
balzi have it set to MPEG-2 encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500)02:35
Greybeardyour card is a PVR-150, right?02:36
balzset as /dev/video0 ... probed info wintv pvr15002:36
balzyes, that's right02:36
Greybeardthat seems right02:36
balzand i have the default input at tuner 102:36
Greybeardcheck that your sources and connections are good too02:36
Greybeardsources are things like OTA broadcast and cable TV02:37
zelda1so greybeard im fine with that card then?02:37
Greybeardprobably02:37
balzGreybeard:  i can get the cable feed by plugging it straight into my tv.  is that what you mean't?02:37
balz*meant, even02:37
Greybeardactually, check that the device is correct02:37
balzGreybeard: how do i do that/02:37
Greybeardlook at the kernel log02:37
balzGreybeard:  what's the path to the kernel log?02:38
Greybeardit should be in /var/log/kern.log02:38
balzokay. checking02:38
Greybeardlook for IVTV02:38
zelda1hrm ok. I'll be back another time to talk about it. Im still not sure.02:38
Greybeardthere should be a big IVTV banner02:38
zelda1later  Im going to get some food.02:38
Greybeardzelda1:"Two tuners on board: a 125 channel cable ready TV tuner and an ATSC digital TV tuner. Connect both cable TV and ATSC digital TV to the WinTV-HVR-1800 at the same time."02:38
zelda1thanks for your help02:38
Greybeardthat's from http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_hvr1800.html02:38
Greybeardsure, glad to help02:38
zelda1yeah, So I can do that.02:39
zelda1it has a ntsc tuner.02:39
Greybeardyes, it has one NTSC and one ATSC tuner02:39
Greybeardyou can record one program of each type at once02:39
Greybeardbut not two NTSC at once02:39
Greybeardand probably not NTSC at all on Linux yet02:39
zelda1ntsc is analog though right?02:40
Greybeardcorrect02:40
zelda1yeah thats right.02:40
zelda1you showed me that link.02:40
Greybeardif you have composite video out from your cable box, you need an NTSC capture device02:40
Greybeardassuming you're in an NTSC country of course02:41
zelda1well im in the USA02:41
zelda1so ya02:41
Greybeardok, NTSC it is02:41
zelda1well Ill look at the box then.02:41
balzGreybeard:  http://pastebin.com/m63e546902:41
zelda1I have composite on the tv too.02:41
Greybeardthat's why I pointed you to the PVR-500, since it has two NTSC encoders02:41
zelda1oh ok.02:41
zelda1is that pci?02:42
Greybeardyes, it's PCI02:42
Greybeardbalz: your PVR-150 is at /dev/video002:42
balzGreybeard:  yes02:43
GreybeardAug 18 18:01:15 server kernel: [   30.554669] ivtv0: Registered device video0 for encoder MPG (4096 kB)02:43
zelda1ok well waht if I wanted to have the fm tuner and stuff that the 500 doesnt.02:43
Greybeardso, the MythTV configuration should be right02:43
GreybeardI see02:43
zelda12: ATSC and NTSC thats off the 180002:43
rhpot1991has anyone ever tried to pump surround sounds out of anything that isn't a spdif port?02:43
zelda12: NTSC thats the 50002:43
Greybeardsome PVR-150s have FM radio tuners02:43
balzGreybeard:  ooh is it using that?02:44
Greybeardyeah, I've used the regular analog 1/8" jacks to connect a 5.1 speaker system02:44
Greybeardbalz: using what?02:44
rhpot1991Greybeard: did it actually pump out surround sound?02:44
balzGreybeard:   oh i thought the FM tuner was about my card, nvm02:44
Greybeardyeah, surround worked fine02:45
rhpot1991I have mine trying to do that now and it seems to be only getting background noise for the left and right speakers02:45
Greybeardthe speakers were a little weak, so now I'm using a better system with MythTV02:45
rhpot1991did you have to do anything special in alsa/mythtv?02:45
GreybeardMythTV's handling of surround sound is somewhat immature02:45
Greybeardwhen I was doing that, I was using SVN HEAD I think02:45
Greybeardit should be in the releases now I believe02:46
rhpot1991I told it to do 5.1 in mythtv but like I said its not02:46
rhpot1991let me mess some more02:46
Greybeardyeah, there are some settings in the General -> audio or something02:46
Greybeardusually, "alsa:surround51" is the device to use02:46
balzGreybeard:  any ideas?  i admit i'm in way over my head at this point...02:46
Greybeardbalz: did you check the connections in mythtv-setup?02:47
balzGreybeard:  I looked over it and it seems to be okay02:47
balzDo i need an external channel chagne command if i don't have a set top box?02:48
Greybeardok, well, exit mythtv-setup and it should restart mythbackend02:48
Greybeardthen try watching TV again02:48
rhpot1991Greybeard: I assumed that meant the setup where you plug in all 5 wires in the back02:48
Greybeardthree cables02:48
Greybeardtwo channels on each cable02:48
Greybeardregular stereo coaxial line outs02:48
balzbut otherwise /dev/video0 is the capture device, input is tuner 1, i have no dislplay name defined, no external channel change command, no "preset tuner to channel" entry ...02:48
Greybeardmost motherboards have them these days02:48
balzstarting channel:  402:48
rhpot1991ya but my tv only has one input02:49
Greybeardbalz: how are you getting TV?02:49
rhpot1991I was trying to jump on the optical from that02:49
balzGreybeard:  analog cable02:49
Greybeardcan you tune channels using the regular TV?02:49
balzZOMG... I have the c hannel frequency table set to us-bcast... should it be us-cable?02:49
Greybeardyes, it should be us-cable02:49
balzEUREKA!02:49
balzwell... assuming that works02:50
Greybeardthat might be part of the problem02:50
balzGreybeard, if this works, I am sending you a valentine card02:50
balzoh right... gotta plug int he cable though... lulz02:50
Greybeardrhpot1991: you're trying to send surround sound over an optical link?02:50
Greybeardheh02:50
Greybeardshould I start running?02:51
rhpot1991nah I have that running from my mythbox, but my surround system only has a single input02:52
rhpot1991I'd like to route everything through the tv first then down to the surround sound02:52
rhpot1991over optical02:52
Greybeardoh02:52
Greybeardcan your TV do that?02:52
rhpot1991I think02:52
rhpot1991trying to verify it actually pumps out surround sound from it02:53
Greybeardfancy TV02:53
balzGreybeard:  will I need to restart for this to work?02:53
Greybeardafter you exit mythtv-setup, it should restart mythbackend automatically02:53
balzcool, cool02:53
Greybeardmythbackend shouldn't be running while you're in mythtv-setup02:54
Greybeardit should have notified it was stopping mythbackend02:54
balzindeed it did02:55
Greybeardrhpot1991: the optical inputs and outputs on consumer devices generally support SPDIF format stereo audio as well as opaque bitstreams that can usually be AC3 or DTS02:55
balzif i scan channels as us-cable, is there anywhere else i need to define us-cable?02:55
Greybeardso, if your TV can route the optical digital audio stream, it doesn't have to know anything about its contents02:56
Greybeardbalz: MythTV also has a default channel mapping02:56
Greybeardit's in the "Main" mythtv-setup screen I think02:56
balzGreybeard:  aaah let me look at that02:56
rhpot1991Greybeard: well mythtv into the surround results in actual surround sound02:57
rhpot1991out from the tv isn't doing so currently, so I need to figure out if it can actually do so02:57
Greybeardgeneral rather than main02:57
Greybeardthe top menu option in mythtv-setup02:57
balzgot it02:58
balzGreybeard:  i'm not sure what the difference between the two are02:58
Greybeardrhpot1991: so, MythTV is sending the AC3 stream over the optical link?02:58
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Greybeardwell, the setting in the "General" area is just a default I think02:59
balzoh wait. sorry i was looking at the worng thing02:59
balzi got it02:59
balzGreybeard:  what do i do for VBI format?02:59
balzand TV format is  NTSC, right?02:59
Greybeardright03:00
Greybeardprobably just the default for VBI03:00
Greybeardthat's mainly for CC03:00
Greybeardyou need to check in "Video Sources" to make sure it's set to NTSC and us-cable03:00
Greybeardif you have one cable service, you should have one Video Source03:01
balzokay03:01
Greybeardonce you make sure the Video Source is configured correctly, Make sure one of your tuner card's inputs is connected to that source in "Input Connections"03:02
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balzGreybeard:  why not leave channel frequency table to "default" in the video source setup?03:02
balzsince i already defined us-cable in the general settings?03:02
rhpot1991Greybeard: looks like it doesn't pass surround from hdmi to optical :(03:03
rhpot1991only does surround via the tuner03:03
balzwhat's the command to start the myth frontend?03:04
Greybeardbalz: default probably works03:05
Greybeardrhpot1991: oh, you're using HDMI for sound from the MythTV box to the TV03:05
GreybeardI thought you were using optical03:05
rhpot1991Greybeard: nope, but from my cable box as a test03:06
rhpot1991to see if the tv could pass it through03:06
GreybeardHDMI from the cable box to the TV?03:06
Greybeardok03:06
rhpot1991seems it only passes 5.1 from the tuner03:06
Greybeardfrom the TV's internal tuner?03:06
balzwhat is the command to start the mythtv frontend?03:06
rhpot1991the tv has a single audio jack for the computer03:06
Greybeardmythfrontend03:06
Greybeardwhat type of jack?03:06
rhpot1991I'll just have to go optical from mythtv right to the surround still03:06
rhpot1991headphone jack type thing03:07
Greybeardyeah, that's probably not digital03:07
rhpot1991which I doubt can carry anything greater that stereo, but I had a friend telling me otherwise03:07
Greybeardelectrical SPDIF connectors seem to usually be RCA type03:07
GreybeardOTOH, sound cards sometimes have SPDIF outs that are phone jacks03:08
GreybeardI'd be very surprised if the TV had a phone jack for SPDIF03:08
Greybeardhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spdif#Hardware_specifications indicates that RCA jacks or optical connectors are the choices for SPDIF03:09
rhpot1991ya03:10
Greybeardthe PC sound cards probably just use the phone jacks to save space, though it's not compliant with the specs03:10
rhpot1991just trying to figure ways around the single optical input on my surround03:10
rhpot1991I'd like to get the xbox, etc on it at some point03:10
Greybeardso, the TV doesn't have any optical in?03:10
rhpot1991nope, just out03:11
balzGreybeard:  still no go... i'm having the same problem03:11
Greybeardbalz: are you still getting database errors in the mythbackend log?03:11
balzlet me see03:12
balzGreybeard:  http://pastebin.com/mdc1e22203:13
GreybeardI think MySQL is having trouble03:14
Greybeardcan you repair the database?03:14
balzhow do i do that?03:15
Greybeardthere might be a button in MCC03:15
balza button to repair the database03:15
zelda1im back.03:15
zelda1Whats the difference between the 3d comb filter and the temperal03:16
zelda1?03:16
Greybeardare you looking at TV capture card specs?03:16
zelda1Video filter 3D comb 3D comb temporal temporal temporal03:17
Greybeardbalz: look under "Advanced Management" in Mythbuntu Control Centre03:17
GreybeardI don't know anything about those types of filters03:17
zelda1hrm . i'll wiki it.03:17
balzGreybeard:  i'm not going to be able to read anything from the mythbuntu control centre on this TV... what can I do?03:18
zelda1hey is that linux os's in general with that only digital stuff?>03:19
balzGreybeard:  another weird thign is that I think the channel scan is picking up the channels... I guess that futhers your point about the mysql database03:20
zelda1and does that radio tuner work?03:22
Greybeardbalz: you should use vnc03:23
Greybeardthen you can see what you're doing on a better screen03:23
Greybeardbalz: "sudo aptitude install tightvncserver"03:23
balzdone03:24
Greybeardthen download the Windows viewer03:24
Greybeardhttp://www.tightvnc.com/download.html03:24
Greybeardbalz: you're on a private LAN, right?03:24
balzyes03:25
balzwifi, but local yes03:25
Greybeardzelda1: what do you mean by only digital stuff?03:25
Greybeardok, so you can just run VNC normally03:25
Greybeardbalz: run tightvncserver on the Ubuntu machine to start the server03:26
gbutters_zzzzbalz: It looks like you do not have a data source from your logs.03:26
Greybeardwell, there are messages about the database connection going away03:27
gbutters_zzzzbalz: You should not have to do a channel scan with the PVR15003:27
balzgbutters_zzzz ... what do you mean?03:27
balzthe coax cable is plugged in03:27
Greybeard"MySQL server has gone away"03:27
balzi forgot to plug it in once, and then i plugged it in03:27
balz... say whaaaaaat?03:27
Greybeardwell, MythTV should work when it's not connected, but you'll just get snow03:28
gbutters_zzzzbalz: The log is showing unknown for all your channels and it should telling the name of the show03:28
balzGreybeard:  did it shut it down when I entered the mythbunto control centre?03:28
balzgbutters_zzzz:  I don't ahve a listings grabber03:28
Greybeardno, nothing should have shut down03:29
Greybeardthat could be your main probelem then03:29
Greybeardproblem03:29
balzGreybear:  okay. so what should I do?03:30
Greybeardyou need to configure that in the mythtv-setup "Video Sources" page03:30
gbutters_zzzzGreybeard: That is what it looks like from his log03:30
Greybeardyeah, you're probably right03:30
Greybeardthe MythTV database error messages aren't particularly helpful03:31
balzgbutters_zzzz, Greybeard:  I'm in the mythbuntu-setup03:31
gbutters_zzzzbalz: Can tune to channels above 9 now that you have changed to us-cable03:31
Greybeardyou can run mythtv-setup from there03:31
Greybeard"MythTV Configuration"03:32
Greybeard"Launch Mythtv Setup"03:32
balzGreybeard:  oh cool. well i'm in now03:32
Greybeardso, go to "Video Sources"03:32
balzgot it03:32
Greybeardyou have an account to get listings, right?03:33
balzno03:33
balzGreybeard:  wait, now i'm confused03:33
balzyou need a listings grabber to change channels?03:33
gbutters_zzzzbalz: goto schedulesdirect.org and sign for the trial03:33
GreybeardI'm not sure if it's absolutely necessary, but I haven't tried it without one03:33
balzokay. let me set that up real quick03:34
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GreybeardMythTV isn't much good without listings anyway03:34
balzwaiting for confirmation email03:37
balzGreybeard:  agreed. i just didn't want to pay 20 bucks until i had it running03:37
GreybeardI think there is a trial period03:37
balzyeah, i didn't see that part lol03:38
balzthis email is taking a long time03:38
gbuttersbalz: check your spam blocker should have it by now03:39
balzgbutters:  yeah i did...03:39
balzyeah it just hasn't sent the code... wtf?03:41
gbuttersbalz: do not know catch you later bedtime03:42
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Greybeardbalz: MythTV can be a pain to set up, but once you've got a good setup, it should be pretty solid and low maintenance03:43
balzGreybeard:  yeah that's what I hear.  it's all good though. patience is a virtue lol03:43
balzgbutters:  night! thanks for the help!03:43
Greybeardyeah, it's not for the faint of heart03:43
balzok activated!03:45
Greybeardgood03:45
balzfinally lol03:45
balznow what03:45
balzGreybeard, gbutters:  Do I enter the information under the listings grabber section and hit retrieve lineups?03:47
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Greybeardyep03:49
balzGreybeard:  done, now what?03:50
Greybeardyou have the correct input of the tuner card connected to the Video Source in "Input Connections, right?03:50
balzyeah it's /dev/video003:51
balzfetch channels from listings source?03:51
Greybearddid you look in "Input Connections"?03:51
balzyeah03:52
Greybeardyes, you need to fetch channels, and then listings03:52
balzok... workingo n it03:55
Greybeardit can take a while03:55
Greybeardonce it's set up, it should do it in the background at scheduled times so you never have to wait03:55
balzodd...03:56
balzi can't select "fetch channels from listings source"03:57
zelda1hrm03:59
balzGreybeard:  is that also mysql relaed?03:59
balzI can hilight the button but not use it03:59
GreybeardI'm not sure04:00
Greybearddidn't you already fetch channels?04:00
balzGreybeard:  i think i got it.  i have no ilneups selected on the schedules direct website04:00
Greybeardright, you need a lineup first04:01
balzso i can fetch channels but not lineups yet... let me fix that04:01
balzhaha i'm such a dumb-dumb sometimes04:01
Greybeardsorry, it's been a while since I started from scratch, so I don't remember each step04:01
balzno worries, you can't be all knowing... you're already a lot better at this than i am04:02
Greybeardwell, I've already wasted a lot of time on this stuff; I hope you don't have to waste as much as I did04:02
balzyeah, welcome to linux though04:03
balzi mean when it works it's awesome04:03
Greybeardyeah, that's the way to learn04:03
balzbut when it doesn't ... ooooh maaaan04:03
zelda1well goodnight people. I will get back tomorrow.04:03
balznight zelda04:03
Greybeardif you're new to using GNU/Linux, this should be useful experience in general, not just for MythTV04:04
balzYeah. it definitely already  has been04:04
balzWell I still can't select "fetch channels from listings source"04:04
balzoh scratch that04:05
balzgot it04:05
balzi was in the wrong menu. you have to do it under video source setup, input connections04:05
balzokay so i have the data direct lineup04:06
Greybeardyou have to make sure one of the card's inputs is connected to the source, yeah04:06
GreybeardI never figured out what the optimal order of each of these steps was; I seemed to have to do some steps more than once04:07
Greybeardbut, now, you should be able to exit mythtv-setup and listings should be fetched04:08
balzwhat do you mean by make sure one of the card's inputs is connected to the source?  just that the cable is plugged in?04:08
Greybeardno, I mean in "Input Connections"04:08
balzoh you mean check that it's set to tuner 0?04:08
balzGreybeard:  what's the command to start the mythtv-frontend?04:09
Greybeardyeah, make sure there's an association between the card's input and the listing source04:09
Greybeardmythfrontend04:09
balzokay04:09
balzwell myth-fill-database is running like WOAH. so i'm guessing something happened =)04:10
Greybeardyeah, you should be able to see messages about fetching XML and station names and program counts and stuff like that04:10
Greybeardit could take a few minutes the first time04:10
balzi dunno if it's of any relevance, but this just occured to me:  i haven't been getting an OSD at all when watching livetv ...04:10
Greybeardthat's what I was trying to ask earlier I guess04:10
balzooh.  haha sorry04:11
Greybeardwhen you navigate channels, the OSD pops up04:11
GreybeardI guess if you hadn't used it before, you wouldn't know that04:11
balzbut that's conisitent with a lack of lineup data?04:11
balzright. hasn't been doing that at all04:11
Greybeardbut you were able to change channels with digits?04:12
balzyeah04:12
balzbut only single digits04:12
GreybeardI'm not sure why that worked at all04:12
balzok i'm in the myth frontend now04:12
Greybeardok04:12
balzstill not channel changing04:12
Greybeardis there any OSD at all?04:13
Greybeardwhat about when you hit "i"?04:13
balzwell i have a program guide04:13
Greybeardis there a TV signal displaying?04:13
larson9999i want to use a regular monitor for the display.  it's displaying now but there are two images one on top of the other and black and white.  that mean i need to change xorg.conf?04:14
balzyeah i have a signal04:14
Greybeard I'm not sure what it means04:14
Greybeardthere is a recognizable image?04:14
balzGreybeard:  on mine?  I have fox on and i can get the program guide04:15
Greybeardbut the image isn't displaying correctly?04:15
Greybeardit could be that you need to switch to a different TV playback profile04:16
balzGreybeard:  interesting... I can change channels through the program guide but not with chan +/- ... and is it really supposed to take a few seconds to switch channels?04:16
Greybeardit usually takes a few seconds, yes04:17
balzokay. and my image is flickering a bit04:17
balzis that normal?04:17
Greybeardflickering isn't desirable, but unfortunately common04:17
Greybeardyou may need to experiment with the TV Playback options to get the best results04:17
balzwhere are the tv playback options?04:18
balzum... and my screen saver is kicking in... believe it or not... how can i fix that?04:18
GreybeardUtilities/Setup -> Setup -> TV -> Playback04:20
Greybeardthe screen just went blank?04:20
balzit faded out04:20
balzand i saw the mouse cursor right before it did04:20
Greybeardthat's probably a standalone screensaver program04:21
GreybeardI'm not sure why it's installed by default04:21
Greybeardyou used the mythbuntu install CD?04:21
balzyeah04:22
Greybeardis gnome-screensaver running?04:23
Greybeardpgrep -l screen04:23
balzyeah i have 6068 gnome-screensav04:26
GreybeardI also run the following to make sure X doesn't blank:04:27
Greybeardxset s off04:27
Greybeardxset -dpms04:27
Greybeardok, run gnome-screensaver-preferences04:27
Greybeardyou can tell it to never blank04:27
Greybeardit seems dumb that it's there at all04:27
balzugh... definitely not going to be able to read that on my screen04:27
balzvnc time?04:27
balzbc  i couldn't get that to work04:27
Greybeardif you can't read the screen, VNC would help04:27
balzwhat does xset s off do? and xset -dpms04:28
Greybearddisabled's Xorg's internal blanking and DPMS04:28
Greybeardif you leave gnome-screensaver running and tell it to never blank, you probably don't need those manual commands04:28
balzare the manual commands premanent though?  i'm all for doing things by cli04:29
balzpermanent, even04:29
Greybeardif you stop gnome-screensaver from starting and run those commands whenever the X session starts, that should keep it from blanking04:29
balzgotcha okay04:30
GreybeardI can't remember exactly where everything in the X session is started04:30
balzso in the meantime. any idea why i still can't change channels via chan +/-?04:30
Greybeardcan you get OSD at all?04:30
Greybeardcan you get the menu or information?04:30
balzi can get the listings menu04:31
GreybeardI mean when you go to "Watch TV"04:31
Greybearddo you ever seen anything on the screen other than the video image?04:31
balzno04:31
balzwhy, mythtv? why?04:32
Greybeardlook at the mythfrontend output, either in a log file or in the terminal where you started it from04:32
balzokay04:33
Greybeardlook for any error messages04:33
balzI get QDateTime::fromString:  Parameter out of range04:33
GreybeardI don't know what that means04:34
GreybeardI don't seem to have that in my logs04:34
Greybeardyou have the time set correctly?04:34
balzI also get AudioOutput Warning:  Mixer attach error -2:  No such file or directory   Check mixer name in Setup:  '/dev/mixer'04:34
balzon the system as a whole? yeah04:34
balzand i get the right timei n the program guide04:35
Greybeardok04:35
Greybeardso, when you're in "Watch TV", it's completely unresponsive?04:35
balzthe chan +/- is, yes04:35
Greybeardwhat about other buttons or keys?04:35
balzthey all work04:36
balzin fact, i just paused it04:36
Greybeardwhat happens when you hit up or down arrow?04:36
balznothing04:36
GreybeardI guess you need to look at the backend log again04:37
balzpastebin?04:38
Greybeardsure04:38
balzhttp://pastebin.com/m56f061da04:41
balzGreybeard04:41
Greybeardok, the database errors are still there04:42
Greybeardcan you connect to the database manually and try to run one of those queries?04:42
balzhere's something interesting too... dunno if it's significant...   When the screen black out bc of the screensaver, the remote won't disable it.  I have to use the keyboard.  Is that maybe why I can't change channels?  or does that have nothing to do with it?04:43
balzGreybeard:  what do you mean by connect manually and run a query?04:43
Greybeardno, if you're using Lirc for the remote, the screensaver ignores it04:43
Greybeardthat's why I don't think the screensaver should be turned on by default04:43
Greybeardmysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg04:44
balzright okay04:44
Greybeardthe database connection details are in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt04:44
Greybeardyou'll have to enter the password from there04:44
balzoh crap. is that where my  mysql password is too?04:44
Greybeardthe mysql password is in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt04:45
Greybeardtoward the end of what you pasted there is mention of programs being recorded04:46
Greybeardmaybe this isn't a database problem after all04:46
Greybeardyeah, the database isn't the problem now04:47
balzoh really?04:47
GreybeardI think now your problem is with the display04:47
balzhow so?04:47
Greybeardit was recording things04:47
Greybeardand it wasn't talking about database errors any more04:48
Greybeardhow messed up is the display currently?04:48
balzit looks fine04:48
balzyou're talking about the tv shows and whatnot?04:48
Greybeardyeah, you said it was split or something earlier04:48
balzoh it was a bit jumpy04:49
balzit still is vaguely04:49
balzi messed with the interlacing and it helped04:49
Greybeardok04:49
Greybeardbut you can pause and seek and stuff?04:49
balzyeah04:50
Greybeardand hit "i" for program details?04:50
balzthat doesn't work04:50
Greybeard"m" for menu?04:50
balzI don't have an m... but the big green windows logo brings up a menu04:50
Greybeardok04:51
balzi can get the program guide from there04:51
Greybeardand you can switch channels using that?04:51
balzyeah04:51
Greybeardyou can navigate all four directions?04:51
balzyes04:51
balzthe numbers won't jump to the appropriate channels there though...04:51
Greybeardwell, I have no idea why you'd be able to change channels in the guide but not in regular view04:52
balzyeah neither do i04:53
Greybeardcan you schedule programs in the guide and they show up in the recorded programs?04:53
balzlet's see04:53
GreybeardI hardly ever use Live TV anyway04:53
GreybeardMythTV's Live TV has some big problems and I think it's because few developers use it04:54
balzwhaaat?  i think this thing is automatically recording everything i watch04:55
Greybeardyeah, it is04:55
Greybeardthat's the way it works04:55
balzoh okay04:55
balzit'll automatically delete?04:55
Greybeardthe "Live TV" recordings aren't usually visible in the list thought04:55
Greybeardthough04:55
Greybeardyeah, the recordings of Live tv will be deleted in just a few minutes04:55
balzokay04:55
balzi mean i guess it's usable like this, but it's kind of odd04:56
Greybeardyeah, Live TV should work04:56
Greybeardthere may be more relevant messages from either the frontend or backend that we aren't seeing04:57
Greybeardfor instance, you can start the backend with -v channel to get more messages about channels04:57
balzokay. how do i exit the backend?04:58
Greybeardsudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop04:59
Greybeardits parameters are in /etc/default/mythtv-backend04:59
balzokay i stopped the backend05:01
Greybeardedit /etc/default/mythtv-backend05:01
Greybeardit should have a line something like EXTRA_ARGS="--verbose important,general,idle"05:02
Greybeardadd channel to that list05:02
larson9999well i see tv but i'm seeing double.  one on top of the other  the bottom one is flickering a green color05:02
Greybeardso, it was good for a bit and now it's bad again?05:02
teprrrthe livetv recordings won't be removed immediately05:03
balzGreybeard:  I got the line05:03
teprrryou can for example push record button on your remote in the ending of the movie and the whole movie will be saved then05:03
Greybeardok, once you've edited the file, you can start the backend with "sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start"05:03
teprrrie. livetv keeps its "cache" for some time, even after you've changed channels and so05:03
balzGreybeard:  wait... i have a line that's commented out:  EXTRA_ARGS="--verbose"       you want me to add important, general, idle?05:05
balzor channel?05:05
Greybeardwell, you need some line of EXTRA_ARGS with channel05:05
GreybeardEXTRA_ARGS="--verbose important,general,idle,channel"05:06
balzokay05:06
balzi only had EXTRA_ARGS="--verbose"  so i added important,general,idle,channel05:07
balzsaved05:07
Greybeardthen start mythbackend again05:07
balzGreybeard started05:08
Greybeardthen try to change channels again and see if there are any interesting messages in the backend log05:08
balzokay05:08
balzokay... hang on. let me get my charger05:11
Greybeardok05:11
balzchannel up is... fast forwarding?05:12
Greybeardhuh?05:13
balzwhen i hit channel up, it's skipping back to a previous point in the program...05:13
Greybeardwhich mode are you in?05:14
GreybeardLive TV or watching a recording?05:14
balzI'm getting tihs message over and over again:  WriteAudio:  buffer underun and NVP:  prebuffering pause05:14
Greybeardaudio's not working yet, right?05:14
balzwait i got it no05:15
balzi think it was set on fast forward05:15
balzoh. i have this show scheduled to record... maybe that's why?05:15
Greybeardwhile watching a recording up and down arrows seek05:17
balzaaah that's why05:17
Greybeardwhile in Live TV, they select channel05:17
Greybeardso, which mode were you in?05:17
balzwell right now my tuner is recording aqua teen hunger force05:17
balzso i guess i was watching a recording?05:17
Greybeardfrom the main menu, you can select either "Live TV" or "Watch Recordings"05:18
Greybeardhowever, if you hit the record button while in Live mode it'll switch to watching mode05:18
balzright05:19
balzcan you switch back from watching mode by hitting the same button?05:19
Greybeardno05:19
balzgotcha. okay hang on one second please. sorry05:20
GreybeardI think you might be able to cancel recording in the menu05:20
balzokay05:20
Greybeardor you can cancel it by hitting right arrow in the watch recordings menu05:21
balzokay let me cancel this ...05:24
balzsorry i had something on the stove05:24
Greybeardyeah, I did too05:24
Greybeardit burned; I haven't done that in a long time05:24
balzhaha that's the worse05:24
Greybeardit's mostly edible05:25
balzGreybeard:  real quick:  what's the path to the lirc config file?05:30
Greybeardfor the remote?05:30
balzyeah05:30
Greybeard/etc/lirc/lircd.conf05:31
Greybeardyou probably should use the keyboard until you're sure MythTV is working right, then figure out the remote buttons05:31
balzoh yeah. it was just something unrelated05:31
balzokay every time i try to change the channel with chan +/- i get this:  QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range05:32
Greybeardhmmm05:32
Greybeardthat's very odd05:32
Greybeardmaybe try changing themes05:32
balzyeah seems like it05:32
Greybeardit could be a bug in the theme05:32
balzwhat would that mean as far as fixing it?05:33
GreybeardI don't know05:33
GreybeardI don't think I've encountered your problem before and I haven't edited themes much05:34
Greybeardyou just did a normal install from the Mythbuntu 8.04 CD, right?05:34
balzyeah05:35
balzand i installed the MCEUSB driver for the MCE remtoe05:35
Greybeardyeah, I have that one too05:35
Greybeardhttp://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/59160?search_string=QDateTime%3A%3AfromString%3A Parameter out of range;#5916005:36
Greybeardso, maybe it doesn't have anything to do with a theme05:37
Greybeardhttp://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?list=mythtv&do=search_results&search_forum=forum_1&search_string=QDateTime%3A%3AfromString%3A+Parameter+out+of+range&search_type=AND05:38
Greybeardit looks like quite a few people have had similar problems05:38
balzyeah... any fix?05:39
Greybeardone guy says run mythfilldatabase05:39
Greybeardbut you just did that05:39
balzright05:40
balzthat's a pain though...05:41
Greybearddid it take a long time the first time?05:41
balzmythfill database?05:42
balzyes05:42
balzArgh... this sucks...05:46
Greybeardwhat's happening now?05:47
balzwell more of the same05:47
Greybeardit sounds like this might be some kind of inconsistency in the database05:48
Greybeardit could be that MythTV got confused by the order you did things or something05:48
balzi'm not sure what you mean05:48
Greybeardsince you don't have any valuable data yet, it might be worth it to start from scratch again and do the setup in a more straightforward order05:49
balzreinstall you mean?05:49
GreybeardI don't know the nature of the problem, but a number of people on the list mentioned it going away after restarting things or running mythtv or doing other things to the database05:49
Greybeardonly reinstall the MythTV MySQL database05:50
balzyeah that's cool05:50
balzeverything else like MCEUSB will be intact?05:50
Greybeardyeah, it should be05:50
balzalright let's do it =)05:51
Greybeard"sudo aptitude purge mysql-server-5.0 mythtv-database" should wipe it out I think05:51
Greybeardafter doing that, make sure nothing's in /var/lib/mysql05:52
Greybeardthen do "sudo aptitude install mythtv-database"05:52
balzdone05:56
Greybeardso, mythtv-database recreated the database from scratch?05:56
balzGreybeard:  is that it?05:56
balzseems like it. it even asked me if other frontends were going to exist05:56
Greybeardthen, you'll need to run mythtv-setup to set up the tuner and listing source05:56
Greybeardthis time, try to do it in order from top to bottom05:57
GreybeardI have no idea if that matters, but it might05:57
balzmythtv-setup command not found...05:57
Greybeardok, it must have been uninstalled too05:57
balzugh...05:57
balzaptitude install mythtv-setup?05:58
Greybeardsudo aptitude install mythtv should pull everything in05:58
Greybeard"sudo aptitude install mythtv"05:58
balzyeah that seems to have done it05:58
thatdoodusing mythbuntu 8.04.1, will installing the svn version of mythtv break anything?06:00
balzokay. start the frontend now?06:00
Greybeardquite possibly06:00
Greybeardyeah, if everything in mythtv-setup is done06:01
Greybeardit already did mythfilldatabase06:01
Greybeard?06:01
Greybeardonly run SVN if you're willing to spend a lot of time06:01
thatdoodlovely06:01
GreybeardI ran it for a while, but I got tired of how much it took to keep up, so I went back06:02
balzI really can't start it now...06:02
Greybeardstart what?06:02
balzthe frontend... odd06:02
balzlouist@server:~$ sudo mythfrontend06:02
balz2008-08-19 01:02:07.524 Using runtime prefix = /usr, libdir = /usr/lib06:02
balz2008-08-19 01:02:08.059 XScreenSaver support enabled06:02
balz2008-08-19 01:02:08.059 DPMS is disabled.06:02
balz2008-08-19 01:02:08.060 Empty LocalHostName.06:02
balz2008-08-19 01:02:08.060 Using localhost value of server06:02
balz2008-08-19 01:02:08.074 New DB connection, total: 106:02
balz2008-08-19 01:02:08.074 Unable to connect to database!06:02
balz2008-08-19 01:02:08.074 Driver error was [1/2002]:06:02
balzQMYSQL3: Unable to connect06:02
balzDatabase error was:06:02
balzCan't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)06:02
Greybeardis mysql running?06:02
balzQSqlQuery::exec: database not open06:02
balzQSqlQuery::exec: database not open06:03
balz2008-08-19 01:02:08.125 DB Error (KickDatabase):06:03
balzQuery was:06:03
balzSELECT NULL;06:03
balzNo error type from QSqlError?  Strange...06:03
balz................................................................................06:03
balz2008-08-19 01:02:10.355 UPnPautoconf() - No UPnP backends found06:03
balz2008-08-19 01:02:10.355 No UPnP backends found06:03
Greybeardpgrep -l mysqld06:03
teprrrerm? pastebin?06:03
balz2008-08-19 01:02:10.360 Primary screen 0.06:03
balz2008-08-19 01:02:10.360 Using screen 0, 1024x768 at 0,006:03
balz2008-08-19 01:02:10.362 Switching to square mode (blue)06:03
balz2008-08-19 01:02:10.414 Using the Qt painter06:03
balz2008-08-19 01:02:10.415 lirc init success using configuration file: /home/louist/.mythtv/lircrc06:03
balz2008-08-19 01:02:10.416 JoystickMenuClient Error: Joystick disabled - Failed to read /home/louist/.mythtv/joystickmenurc06:03
balzooh sorry about that06:03
teprrrbut apparently mysql isn't running, yes06:03
balzhow do i check?06:03
balzteprrr:  yeah sorry. forgot06:03
Greybeardnothing will work very well if it can't connect to the database06:03
Greybeardrun /etc/init.d/mysql start06:03
balzaah. so /etc/init.d/mysql-server start?06:03
balzgotcha okay06:03
balzsame output06:04
Greybeardsame as what?06:04
balzthe one i just posted06:04
Greybeardis mysql running now?06:05
balzi think so. let me check06:05
balzlouist@server:~$ pgrep -l mysqld06:05
balz17382 mysqld_safe06:05
balz20069 mysqld_safe06:05
balz20108 mysqld06:05
balz 06:05
balzso yes?06:06
Greybeardmaybe the password didn't get changed06:06
balzit promted me for a password06:06
balza new one06:06
balzsorry let me rephrase that06:06
Greybeardtry connecting with "mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg"06:06
balzwhen i installed myth, it asked me to define a password06:06
balzaccess denied for user mythtv@localhost password=yes06:07
balzthe user should be louist though06:07
Greybeardwell, mythtv is probably using the mythtv use06:07
Greybearduser06:07
balzhow do i fix that?06:08
Greybeard"/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt" holds the values MythTV uses06:08
Greybeardtry using those values to connect manually06:08
balzgot it. it's still using the old password06:09
balzuhh... or not06:10
balzmaybe a complete reinstall is in order...06:10
Greybeardthe mythtv-database package should have created a MySQL user called mythtv06:10
balzit did06:10
Greybeardso, can you connect to database mythconverg as user mythtv?06:11
balzthis is the whole error:  ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)06:11
balzno... oddly enough06:11
Greybeardcan you connect as the adminstrator?06:12
balzis my command syntax right?  :   mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg06:12
Greybeardright06:12
Greybeard-u mythtv means connect as user mythtv06:12
balzhow would i connect as administrator?06:12
Greybeard-p means prompt for a password06:12
Greybeardyou mentioned another user name a bit ago, which I assume is your administrator06:12
tgm4883_laptop-u root06:12
Greybeardyou set a password for root, right?06:13
balzooh i was confused.  i was referring to my ubuntu account user name06:13
balzyes06:13
Greybeardright, they're completely separate06:13
balzso afaik there's only one myth user06:13
Greybeardwhat's "louist" ?06:13
balzlouist is the login i use for this computer06:14
Greybeardoh06:14
Greybeardtry "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0"06:15
Greybeardroot6606:16
tgm4883_laptopquick poll.  If you have a script that would periodically run and update your mythvideo (scan for new movies, gather info on them) and it did this automatically.  How often would you want it to run06:17
balzokay done06:17
Greybeardso, now you've set a password for the mysql "root" user right?06:17
balztgm4883_laptop:  I'd say hourly06:17
balzGreybeard, yes06:18
Greybeardnow try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database"06:18
tgm4883_laptopbalz, yea I was thinking that too06:18
balztgm4883_laptop:  i'd say at least 3 or four times daily, but it depends on how far in advance you tend to download movies06:20
balzGreybeard, okay doing that now06:20
balzGreybeard:  server is on localhost?06:20
tgm4883_laptopbalz, i'm thinking hourly.  It will skip movies that you already have info for06:20
Greybeardyep06:21
Greybeardif it's a combined machine, it's always localhost06:21
balzthought so06:21
balzname of MySQL administrator account... root?06:21
Greybeardright06:21
balzGreybeard:  now it's asking me for the administrator account's password... this is where i may have gotten mixed up06:22
Greybeardok06:22
balzis this the password to the mysql database or my username?06:22
balzas in my ubuntu username, louist06:22
balzor the one i just defined a second ago?06:22
Greybeardmysql doesn't know anything about the Ubuntu users06:22
balzokay06:22
balzokay done06:23
Greybeardyou should have just given MySQL a new password for administrator06:23
Greybeardjust because the user is called "root" doesn't mean it's the same account as the Ubuntu "root" account06:23
balzi see. okay06:24
balzthanks so much for helping me out by the way, i'm sure you're a busy person06:24
Greybeardyeah, no problem06:24
GreybeardI do need to go here pretty soon though06:24
balzhaha that's understandable06:25
balzso from here, mythfill database or that mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg ?06:25
Greybeardrunning mysql manually was just to verify the database settings06:26
Greybeardif mythbackend, mythtv-setup, and mythfrontend can connect to the database, you shouldn't to do anything about it06:26
balzoh okay. so from here i can just run the frontend?06:27
Greybeardrun mythtv-setup again to make sure those settings are still there06:27
balzhow do i export the display again?06:28
Greybeardand make sure mythfilldatabase runs before trying TV again06:28
balzi think i made a syntax error06:28
Greybeardthat should happen after you exit mythtv-setup06:28
balzsudo export DISPLAY=:0  ?06:28
Greybeardyou don't need to use sudo06:29
balzI'm getting this:06:30
balz(zenity:21173): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap",06:30
Greybeardyeah, ignore it06:30
Greybeardit's just a warning06:30
GreybeardGtk is very noisy06:30
balzwait got it06:30
balzno UPnP backends found06:30
Greybeardyeah, ignore that too06:31
balzit cannot login to database...06:34
Greybeardwhat can't?06:34
balzmythtv-setup06:34
Greybeardwas a new mythtv user created when you reconfigured mythtv-database06:35
Greybeard?06:35
balzi don't believe so06:35
Greybeardcan you log in as the admin using "mysql -u root -p" ?06:36
balzyes06:37
balzi'm in06:37
Greybeardhttp://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/passwords.html06:37
balzokay06:37
GreybeardSET PASSWORD FOR 'mythtv'@'%' = PASSWORD('password');06:37
Greybeardput the new password in the quotes06:38
balzokay... i got '->' as the output06:39
Greybeardok, the password should be changed now06:40
balzokay06:40
balzso now i restart mythtv-setup?06:40
Greybeardmake sure the same password you just set is in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt06:40
balzhow do i exit mysql in the terminal?06:42
Greybeard\q06:42
balzit's different...06:43
balzwell different from the one it had me make when i reset mysql a few mintues ago06:43
Greybeardwell, the point is that you just set the password for the mysql user and that password has to be in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt06:44
Greybeardit doesn't matter what it used to be; you know what it is now06:44
balzaaah... okay06:44
balzjeez i should have been able to figure that out06:44
balzsorry my head is a freaking strainer sometimes06:44
Greybeardyeah, it's ok06:45
balzokay fixed it06:45
Greybeardso, now mythtv-setup and the rest should be able to connect06:45
balzstill not working... whaat?06:46
balzit's aksing me a question... "Cannot login to database?"06:46
Greybeard"ls -lh ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt"06:46
Greybeardthat should be a symbolic link to /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt06:47
Greybeardif it's different, that's where the confusion is06:47
balzmmk i typed it in06:48
Greybearddoes it have an arrow pointing to /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt ?06:49
balzyes06:49
Greybeardand you can connect with the mysql command using the username and password in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt?06:50
balzyes06:50
balzwait... in that file i have DBUserName=n06:51
balzand DBPassword=y ... that's it06:51
Greybeardwell, AFAIK the mythtv programs should be looking in either ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt or /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt06:51
Greybeardyeah, that needs to be mythtv06:51
balzand then i have DBName=no and DBType=QMYSQL306:52
Greybeardsomething got confused06:52
GreybeardDBName should be mythconverg06:52
balzdbtype okay?  and dbpassword is my password?06:53
GreybeardI don't know about dbtype06:53
balzokay06:53
GreybeardI have DBHostName, DBHostPing, DBUserName, DBPassword in mine06:53
balzweird06:54
GreybeardDBHostName=localhost06:54
GreybeardDBHostPing=no06:54
GreybeardDBUserName=mythtv06:54
GreybeardDBName=mythconverg06:54
GreybeardDBPassword=something06:54
balzugh. yeah it's shot06:56
balzno worries though. i'll just reinstall it06:56
Greybeardyeah, that might be easier at this point06:56
balzi have my essential config files backed up (except mysql, of course)06:56
Greybeardbut those values I just gave you should do it06:56
balzwell i'll try that real quick06:56
Greybeardwith your password of course06:56
balzout of curiostiy, how do you know so much about linux and myth?06:57
Greybeardjust messing around with them for years06:57
balzwell damn. how many years/06:58
GreybeardI've been using GNU/Linux on and off for about ten years and MythTV for about three06:58
balzoh wow. yeah that would certainly help07:00
balzi've been routinely using ubuntu for about 1 year07:00
balzless actually07:00
Greybeardok07:00
balzi first tooled around with it about 2 years ago07:00
balzwell i'm going to go to bed. thanks a buch for the help07:01
Greybeardyeah, I hope you can figure it out07:01
balzit actually did clear a few things up for me, so hopefully round 2 will be a little easier07:01
Greybeardyeah, sometimes it just takes a couple of tries07:01
balzyeah i should be able to. at the very least i can store my dvd collection on it, which is cool07:01
Greybeardyeah, convenient07:02
balzand if i'm out a hundred bucks for the pvr... well that was part of the risk, you know?07:02
balzalright. take care, thanks again07:02
Greybeardyeah, that's not bad07:02
Greybeardyep, talk to you later07:02
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doermannI installed mythbuntu over Ubuntu 8.04.  I have been having problems with my configuration.  I am trying to setup myth via the frontend.  When I open myth I get the config wizard that first throws an error saying there is no uPnP backend.  It then goes to a database configuration screen.  The database configuration seems pretty straightforward... the server is localhost, port 3306, I created a database called mythconverg, a07:42
doermannnd I know that I have the right username and password... however when I hit finish it says it cannot ping the address... when I ping localhost from the terminal it works just fine... I'm pretty confused...07:42
liriagain about my issues with the nvidia driver install for my geforce2 mx/mx400 video card07:47
lirieven though I specify nvidia as the driver and add the module "glx" to xorg.conf it seems that Xorg does some probing and concludes the motherboard chipset is Vesa compatible and loads that driver instead of Nvidia07:48
liriit later complains that it failed to load the GLX extension "compatible nvidia driver for X was not found"07:49
doermannI have also tried to reconfigure using: sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database07:53
doermannsudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common on the backend07:53
doermannOk... in case anyone is following... I went into phpMyAdmin and made sure the mythconverg database existed and that the user mythtv existed and had the right privileges... when I now try and start the frontend it says "Cannot login to database?"08:04
doermannAny suggestions?08:04
doermannTerminal Output:08:05
doermannNo error type from QSqlError?  Strange...08:05
doermann2008-08-19 01:04:23.182 Writing settings file /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt08:05
doermann2008-08-19 01:04:23.183 Closing DB connection named 'DBManager0'08:05
doermann2008-08-19 01:04:23.191 Unable to connect to database!08:05
doermann2008-08-19 01:04:23.191 Driver error was [1/2002]:08:05
doermannQMYSQL3: Unable to connect08:05
doermannDatabase error was:08:06
doermannCan't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)08:06
doermannQSqlQuery::exec: database not open08:06
doermannQSqlQuery::exec: database not open08:06
doermann2008-08-19 01:04:23.241 DB Error (KickDatabase):08:06
doermannQuery was:08:06
doermannSELECT NULL;08:06
doermannNo error type from QSqlError?  Strange...08:06
doermann2008-08-19 01:04:23.292 Cannot login to database?08:06
doermann2008-08-19 01:04:23.292 Cannot login to database?08:06
doermann2008-08-19 01:04:23.411 Primary screen 0.08:06
doermann2008-08-19 01:04:23.411 Using screen 0, 1280x1024 at 0,008:06
doermann2008-08-19 01:04:23.412 Switching to square mode (blue)08:06
doermann2008-08-19 01:04:23.446 Using the Qt painter08:06
doermannmythtv: could not open config file /root/.lircrc08:06
doermannmythtv: No such file or directory08:06
doermann2008-08-19 01:04:23.446 Failed to read lirc config /root/.lircrc for mythtv08:06
doermann2008-08-19 01:04:23.447 JoystickMenuClient Error: Joystick disabled - Failed to read /root/.mythtv/joystickmenurc08:06
doermann2008-08-19 01:04:23.699 DB Error (Clear setting):08:06
doermannQuery was:08:06
doermannNo error type from QSqlError?  Strange...08:06
doermann2008-08-19 01:04:23.700 DB Error (SaveSettingOnHost query failure: ):08:06
doermannQuery was:08:06
doermannNo error type from QSqlError?  Strange...08:06
doermann2008-08-19 01:04:49.743 User cancelled database configuration08:06
doermann2008-08-19 01:04:49.751 Deleting UPnP client...08:06
doermann2008-08-19 01:04:50.161 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.08:06
tgm4883_laptop_I have a suggestion08:10
tgm4883_laptop_it's pastebin08:11
tgm4883_laptop_that dude should try it08:11
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tgm4883_laptopand he should have quit08:11
tgm4883_laptopcause it makes people like me mad08:11
doermannOh... and now that I have restarted my box it is back to the old problem of not being able to ping the server...08:13
doermannIs this all because I don't have the uPnP backend installed?08:14
doermannI am using XAMPP by the way (if that makes a difference)08:15
MythbuntuGuest85hi11:44
MythbuntuGuest85does anyone know why mythtv comes up with no upnp backend found when i start the backend? iv used the details from the mysql.txt11:46
MythbuntuGuest85this place is my last hope11:47
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Seeker`tgm4883_laptop: manage to get the password sorted?16:14
tgm4883_laptopSeeker`, password?16:36
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Seeker`tgm4883_laptop: for the server to upload alpha 517:17
tgm4883_laptopSeeker`, ah17:18
tgm4883_laptopyes, alpha 4 was the one that needed uploading17:18
tgm4883_laptopwe are good now :)17:18
andy_js_Hi, I'm setting up seperate mythtv frontends and backends.  The backend is on a server and the front ends are on some htpcs.17:30
andy_js_My question is:  When I "import" a dvd, will it get ripped onto the backend, or locally on the front end?17:30
tgm4883_laptopandy_js_, IIRC it will get ripped to the local mythvideo directory17:31
tgm4883_laptopnow if that happens to be an NFS share, then it will be on whichever system that share is from17:31
andy_js_Cheers, that is an excellent point.17:31
andy_js_That brings me to my second question.  Mythtv supposedly has support for sharing via UPNP.17:32
andy_js_Is the UPNP server implemented in the backend or frontends.17:32
tgm4883_laptopyes17:32
tgm4883_laptopbackend17:32
andy_js_(sounds stupid I know, but I just wanted to make sure)17:33
tgm4883_laptopno question is stupid17:33
tgm4883_laptopunless i answer it, and you ask it again17:33
andy_js_:)17:33
tgm4883_laptopthen you feel the wrath of Zinn17:33
andy_js_And if I record tv using a local tv tuner, that is stored in the backend right?17:34
tgm4883_laptopyes.....17:34
tgm4883_laptopnote, you can have multiple backends with tuners17:34
tgm4883_laptopone will be the master17:34
andy_js_so I can have tuners on the backend machine and the front ends?17:35
tgm4883_laptopyes, technically you would have a slave backend on your frontend machines as well17:35
andy_js_This is great for me, I would prefer to just have lots of tuners in the backend.17:36
li__I have a Geforce2 MX/MX400 video card, I installed nvidia-glx proprietary driver and ran nvidia-xconfig, after which when the LCD screen connected to the VGA port is working FINE (i.e: no problems loading the driver) but when I set it for the SVideo output it won't work - either the driver is not recognized and I get "ubuntu in low-graphics mode" or the screen is blank. any ideas?17:57
Greybeardwhat's in the Xorg log when that happens?18:15
liriafter a mythbuntu install, I don't have mythbackend running21:45
lirias long as the frontend works I don't really care about it but I'd like to enable the telnet interface. is that related to mythtvbackend?21:46
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