[00:25] <Egghead2> is there anyway to send more the just the chnl numbers to the external channel change script, using myth 8.04?
[00:26] <laga> what do you want to send?
[00:26] <Egghead2> anykey would work really
[00:27] <Egghead2> i have a disntnet stb and somtime it gets stuck on a non channel, and only chnl up or down get u out of it
[00:30] <laga> you can peridiocally sent other stuff over the irblaster
[00:31] <Egghead2> well i could also use irexec, but i have two dishnet stb's connected so it wouldnt know what lirc remote command to send
[00:32] <Egghead2> unless there is a way (veriable) i could see within a sh script?
[00:32] <laga> so you would send <channel number> + channel up?
[00:32] <laga> does that make sense?
[00:33] <tgm4883> your remote needs a shift button ;)
[00:33] <laga> maybe <channel number -1> + <channel up>, but that's probably useless if it doesn't switch the channel
[00:33] <laga> or just send channel up and then send channel number
[00:33] <Egghead2> no i would call the menu, then change chnl to a known good chnl, then send select
[00:33] <laga> you can hack your channel changer script to do that
[00:34] <laga> eg do your stuff first then send channel number
[00:34] <Egghead2> well the script never receives anything but chnl numbers, no keys
[00:34] <MythbuntuGuest93> when trying to setup mythtv backend setup i am getting a "cannot login to database?" error message. anyone know a solution for this?
[00:35] <tgm4883> Egghead2, he is saying that it would always do said command
[00:35] <Egghead2> ahhh, hmmmmm
[00:36] <Egghead2> i dont want to do the same command on every chnl change, but only when myth screws up and puts me on a chnl that dish isnt using
[00:37] <Greybeard> Guest93: it could be an incorrect password or username
[00:37] <Egghead2> when that happens the only way to continue is either chnl up or chnl down, or menu (all dishnetwork commands)
[00:38] <MythbuntuGuest93> i am using the default username and password
[00:38] <Greybeard> the MySQL connection parameters are in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[00:39] <Greybeard> I don't think there is one default password
[00:39] <Greybeard> AFAIK, it's generated randomly
[00:39] <MythbuntuGuest93> i mean the generated password
[00:39] <Greybeard> can you connect using the mysql command?
[00:39] <Greybeard> first check that mysqld is actually running
[00:40] <Greybeard> pgrep -l mysqld
[00:41] <MythbuntuGuest93> i typed that command it says 4796 mysqld_safe
[00:41] <MythbuntuGuest93> 4838 mysqld
[00:41] <Greybeard> so, it's running
[00:41] <Greybeard> mysql -u mysql -p will try to connect
[00:42] <Greybeard> you'll have to type the password
[00:44] <zelda1> hello everyone. Im thinking of getting this.  http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1800mckit.html Does mythbuntu support both analog and digital signals?
[00:45] <Greybeard> http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1800
[00:46] <Greybeard> no to NTSC currently
[00:47] <MythbuntuGuest93> says error 1045 (28000): access denied for user 'mysql'@'localhost' (using password:YES)
[00:48] <zelda1> Greybeard: is that a good all around card?
[00:48] <Greybeard> I have no idea
[00:48] <Greybeard> ﻿MythbuntuGuest93: sorry, the command you need to try is "mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg"
[00:49] <Greybeard> mysql and mythtv both start with "my" so I get them confused
[00:49] <zelda1> would you recommend mythtv/mythbuntu for a mcpc?
[00:49] <zelda1> or beyondtv/sagetv?
[00:49] <Greybeard> the HVR-1800 definitely isn't a good choice for NTSC, since it doesn't work on Linux yet
[00:50] <Greybeard> but, people shouldn't be buying new equipment for NTSC anyway
[00:50] <zelda1> yeah but Ive got cable and stuff.
[00:50] <zelda1> not the NTSC analog
[00:50] <MythbuntuGuest93> gerybeard: nope still same error
[00:50] <zelda1> and I'm not paying extra for "HD" channels.
[00:50] <Greybeard> MythbuntuGuest93: it sounds like you don't have the right password
[00:51] <zelda1> so, will or wont it work?
[00:51] <Greybeard> zelda1: I'm not sure what you're asking
[00:51] <zelda1> greybeard: im asking would I be better off going with the 1600 then?
[00:52] <MythbuntuGuest93> greybeard: i am typing in the generated password
[00:52] <Greybeard> well, for some reason, it doesn't seem to like the password
[00:53] <MythbuntuGuest93> i just changed the password and still does not work
[00:53] <Greybeard> how did you change the password?
[00:54] <Greybeard> http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 indicates the driver is of beta quality, so that's probably not a great choice either
[00:54] <zelda1> hey greybeard: In mythbuntu, can I select what I want the video to encode to? I.e mpeg2, mkv, iso, avi, etc?
[00:54] <Greybeard> you mean for transcoding?
[00:55] <MythbuntuGuest93> greybeard: sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[00:55] <Greybeard> internal MythTV transcoding is limited
[00:55] <Greybeard> yeah, did that fix the database problem?
[00:55] <Greybeard> the internal MythTV transcoding seems to only produce either NUV container files or MPEG Program Streams
[00:56] <Greybeard> I'm using mencoder to transcode video to H.264 and mkvmerge to create Matroska MKV files
[00:57] <Greybeard> btw, I'm using one each of the http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Air2PC cards
[00:57] <MythbuntuGuest93> greybeard: thanks for your help anyway
[00:58] <Greybeard> the older design tends to have more trouble receiving some stations
[00:58] <Greybeard> sure
[00:58] <Greybeard> you might want to get rid of all mysql databases and then install mythtv-database again
[00:59] <zelda1> hrm.
[01:00] <zelda1> so what in your opinion is a good all around capture carD?
[01:00] <Greybeard> "sudo aptitude purge mysql-server-5.0 mythtv-database" should get rid of everything
[01:00] <Greybeard> if by "all around" you mean able to receive both NTSC and ATSC, then I don't know
[01:00] <Greybeard> I have one system with two ATSC receivers and one with two NTSC receivers
[01:00] <zelda1> well transcoding. which is the best
[01:01] <rhpot1991_laptop> depends on the source
[01:01] <zelda1> well im trying to build a Media center box/tivo/nas
[01:01] <rhpot1991_laptop> and where you live, etc
[01:01] <Greybeard> zelda, are you talking about receiver hardware, or software transcoding?
[01:01] <Greybeard> digital receiver hardware doesn't do any encoding or decoding
[01:02] <Greybeard> some analog receiver cards encode to MPEG2
[01:02] <zelda1> well, then software.. I want the tv I record to be put in like mp4 or mp2
[01:02] <Greybeard> I have a system with one PVR-350 and one PVR-150 that each encode from cable
[01:02] <zelda1> instead of this weird file i cant convert
[01:03] <Greybeard> if MPEG streams come from the hardware, that's what MythTV records
[01:03] <zelda1> the main reason I was looking at that hvr1800 is cause its got digital/analog/fm on it and IR
[01:03] <Greybeard> on my system with PVR-x50s, it records MPEG Program Streams and on my machine with ATSC receivers, it records MPEG Transport Streams
[01:03] <Greybeard> well, the hvr1800 is a bad choice for use on Linux unless you don't care about analog NTSC
[01:04] <zelda1> well I have a cable box it would hookup to.
[01:04] <zelda1> Dish/DirecTV boxes.
[01:04] <Greybeard> how would it hook up to those?
[01:05] <zelda1> referring to NTSC or ASTC?
[01:05] <Greybeard> well, it could be Firewire for all I know
[01:05] <zelda1> coaxial
[01:06] <Greybeard> I assume you mean NTSC modulated RF signal
[01:06] <zelda1> like any other PVR/DVR
[01:06] <Greybeard> http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_pvr500mckit.html is probably closer to what you want
[01:06] <zelda1> no not rf modulated
[01:06] <Greybeard> so, composite video?
[01:07] <zelda1> well the cards dont have composite inputs.
[01:07] <zelda1> so rf-36
[01:08] <zelda1> the standard cabling.
[01:08] <zelda1> well damn, how bout i tell you what I want to accomplish, and you tell me the best fit
[01:10] <Greybeard> I have a PVR-150 that definitely has RF, S-Video, and RCA composite video ins
[01:10] <Greybeard> I'm not entirely sure about the PVR-500
[01:11] <Greybeard> they're very similar, but the PVR-150 has one tuner/capture device and the PVR-500 has two
[01:11] <zelda1> well Im trying to build a PVR/DVR
[01:11] <Greybeard> it seems you've come to the right place
[01:11] <zelda1> LOL
[01:11] <zelda1> but that isnt the only thing I want it to do.
[01:12] <zelda1> which is fine.
[01:12] <Greybeard> it looks like the PVR-500 has one RCA composite video in and one S-Video in, but I'm not sure if they go to the same or different capture devices
[01:14] <zelda1> Im looking for a tv capture card that will work capture the cable boxes coaxial signal. That well encode the things i record in smaller files. Something like mpeg2/mp4/avi or something so that I can easily take those and reencode them.
[01:14] <zelda1> and I want to be able to record 2 channels at once.
[01:14] <Greybeard> all of the PVR-x50 encode to MPEG Program Streams with MPEG2 video and MPEG audio AFAIK
[01:15] <Greybeard> http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-500 says that there is one set of inputs on the back and another on headers on the card
[01:15] <Greybeard> there may be cheaper ones than the Hauppauge ones though
[01:15] <zelda1> ok so, does youre 350 work ok?
[01:15] <Greybeard> yeah, both the 350 and 150 work great
[01:16] <Greybeard> for display on an analog TV, the PVR-350 is about the best quality you can get IMHO
[01:17] <zelda1> well i use LCD TV. I dont have HD coming in from the cable but will that 350 record really good quailty?
[01:17] <Greybeard> both the 350 and 150 have configurable bitrates, so you can make it as high or low as you want
[01:17] <Greybeard> if you don't need output, the 150 is quite a bit cheaper
[01:17] <Greybeard> it may even be hard to find 350s any more
[01:18] <Greybeard> if you want higher compression with good quality, you probably want a device that encodes to MPEG-4 video
[01:18] <zelda1> which is something the 350 cant do.
[01:19] <Greybeard> no, the x50s all encode MPEG2 video
[01:19] <zelda1> Im going to be using a 250gb drive.
[01:19] <Greybeard> why?
[01:19] <zelda1> why not?
[01:19] <Greybeard> get a 500 at least
[01:19] <zelda1> really?
[01:19] <DogBoy> more is always better
[01:19] <Greybeard> if you're getting one new, 500s are a lot better value
[01:19] <zelda1> the TIVO ones have 160gb in there.
[01:20] <zelda1> ok.
[01:20] <Greybeard> I built a system a couple of years ago for my brother's family
[01:20] <Greybeard> it has a 250GiB drive and one PVR-350 and one PVR-150
[01:20] <zelda1> so in other words, im stuck not using mythbuntu for the mcpc os
[01:20] <Greybeard> it has enough storage for them AFAIK
[01:20] <Greybeard> you are?
[01:21] <zelda1> well what is a good card that will encode mp4?
[01:21] <Greybeard> I don't have any experience with those
[01:21] <tgm4883_laptop> Greybeard, IIRC that is not the consensus among most pvr-350 users
[01:21] <Greybeard> what isn't?
 for display on an analog TV, the PVR-350 is about the best quality you can get IMHO
[01:22] <Greybeard> well, I don't know what other people are saying, but the video quality is very good
[01:22] <tgm4883_laptop> From what I've seen, most people don't even bother with it
[01:23] <zelda1> well then whats a good recommendation?
[01:23] <Greybeard> I don't have an analog TV, so I don't personally have any use for PVR-350s, but for that situation, it's a good choice
[01:23] <zelda1> They do have that standalone hdpvr that encodes h.264
[01:23] <Greybeard> zelda1 isn't using an analog TV, so a PVR-350 wouldn't be a good choice
[01:24] <tgm4883_laptop> also, if you are looking for the PVR cards, you will need to go to ebay as they are EOL
[01:24] <Greybeard> so, they might be cheap!
[01:24] <tgm4883_laptop> could be
[01:25] <zelda1> hrm.
[01:27] <tgm4883_laptop> also the HDPVR isn't well supported yet
[01:27] <tgm4883_laptop> but it's getting there
[01:28] <Greybeard> http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Mpeg_encoder_capture_cards has several cards
[01:29] <Greybeard> http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Plextor_ConvertX has a wide variety of encoding options
[01:32] <zelda1> yeah but those record in mpeg2
[01:32] <Greybeard> did you read about the Plextor_ConvertX?
[01:33] <Greybeard> btw, MythTV has always supported software encoding
[01:34] <Greybeard> it originally worked only with simple capture cards and encoded the video in software
[01:35] <zelda1> yeah reading some wiki on it.
[01:35] <Greybeard> the main advantage of a hardware encoder is to take load of the CPU, but that's less of an issue now than five years ago or more
[01:35] <zelda1> I also want to be able to play mp3 and burn dvds with the recorded stuff. MythTV will do that right?
[01:36] <zelda1> Well Im going to be using that on a p4 2.6 system.
[01:36] <zelda1> 2gb ram
[01:36] <Greybeard> with a modern dual-core CPU, you could probably encode great quality H.264 in real time if you wanted
[01:36] <Greybeard> at least MPEG4 ASP
[01:36] <tgm4883_laptop> zelda1, what do you want to record to?
[01:36] <zelda1> what do you mean?
[01:36] <tgm4883_laptop> what format
[01:37] <zelda1> well the smallest poss. so mabe mp4/avi or something.
[01:37] <zelda1> er maybe
[01:37] <zelda1> h.264
[01:37] <tgm4883_laptop> theres only one that will encode directly to that
[01:37] <tgm4883_laptop> the HDPVR
[01:37] <Greybeard> I don't think MythTV can encode H.264 yet, though it can do MPEG4 ASP
[01:37] <zelda1> I want to be able to put a ton of stuff on there without having to get 1TB drives.
[01:38] <rhpot1991> that cpu wont cut h264
[01:38] <rhpot1991> not in HD at least
[01:38] <rhpot1991> might not even cut it in SD
[01:38] <Greybeard> of course not
[01:38] <Greybeard> were talking about SD
[01:39] <zelda1> yeah well, I dont mind SD thats fine. Its the format encoding too.
[01:40] <zelda1> I found SageTV and BeyondTV
[01:40] <Greybeard> mencoder can transcode 720P MPEG2 to H.264 720P@29.97 on my Athlon64 X2 5700 in near real time
[01:40] <rhpot1991> zelda1: you can always use ffmpeg to transcode to whatever you want
[01:41] <rhpot1991> Greybeard: giving it both cores?
[01:41] <Greybeard> partly
[01:41] <Greybeard> the encoder can't quite fill both up, but mostly
[01:41] <rhpot1991> how do you know its near real time?
[01:41] <zelda1> well Im talking on a single core p4
[01:42] <Greybeard> ffmpeg tends to lose sync when the recording is damaged, so I'm using mencoder, which doesn't seem to have that problem
[01:42] <Greybeard> and you're also talking about much lower resolution
[01:42] <zelda1> yeah like 480
[01:42] <rhpot1991> interesting, I haven't had problems with ffmpeg, but I've only used for portable devices only at this point
[01:42] <zelda1> p at most.
[01:43] <Greybeard> I can tell it's nearly real time because the total time to transcode a recording is similar to the playtime
[01:43] <rhpot1991> ah ok
[01:43] <zelda1> SageTV will encode to h.264. directly
[01:43] <Greybeard> mencoder constantly reports frame rates and estimated time remaining
[01:43] <rhpot1991> zelda1: you can setup a user job to do all of that for you
[01:43] <rhpot1991> once it is done recording, encode then remove the old
[01:46] <zelda1> to do what?
[01:46] <zelda1> look at beyondTV. it does what I want it to do.
[01:46] <rhpot1991> make h.264's out of your recording
[01:46] <rhpot1991> ok, then use that
[01:46] <zelda1> yeah but I dont want to pay the 150 for the software
[01:47] <rhpot1991> then setup a user job to do the exact same thing
[01:47] <Greybeard> I don't think encoding to H.264 is as that terribly important
[01:47]  * tgm4883_laptop sighs
[01:48] <zelda1> well if thats the smallest, then its good so I can put more on the HDD>
[01:48] <zelda1> and h.264 is ipod, and iphone. blackberry compatible.
[01:48] <Greybeard> to fit on those it has to be pretty small, doesn't it?
[01:48] <Greybeard> do you want that reduced quality for TV watching?
[01:48] <zelda1> is there a program out there that will automatically encode from mpeg2 to mpeg4 or h.264
[01:48] <zelda1> ?
[01:49] <Greybeard> yes
[01:49] <Greybeard> many
[01:49] <tgm4883_laptop> mythexport
[01:49] <tgm4883_laptop> just set up a user job for it
[01:49] <zelda1> that will do it?
[01:49] <Greybeard> nuvexport is the main one for MythTV
[01:49] <Greybeard> nuvexport is designed to produce formats for iPods and similar devices
[01:50] <zelda1> well then why not use mythtv with that software that will do that on the fly and delete the old software.
[01:50] <zelda1> er old recording so I dont have to mess with it.
[01:50] <Greybeard> why not indeed!
[01:50] <zelda1> can you do that?
[01:50] <rhpot1991> mythexport does it, but is geared towards portable devices (ipod, psp, zune, etc)
[01:50] <zelda1> again im running that on a older p4 2.6
[01:50] <tgm4883_laptop> AFAIK, it doesn't do it on the fly
[01:51] <Greybeard> http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexport
[01:51] <rhpot1991> in theory you could just use it and pump up the specs for non portable, but I haven't had much feedback saying that works or doesn't
[01:51] <rhpot1991> zelda1: thats exactly what I was saying to do, with a user job
[01:51] <rhpot1991> then it will happen on each recording and you won't need to do a thing
[01:52] <zelda1> well I still want to be able to watch them on the lcd tv, and when I can transfer the file to portables.
[01:52] <rhpot1991> kinda hard to have one that is good enough at both
[01:52] <Greybeard> so, you can have MythTV encode to NuppelVideo in software or use a PVR-x50 to record MPEG2 files
[01:52] <Greybeard> then, the jobs can transcode to other formats
[01:52] <rhpot1991> will either suck on your lcd, or be too big for your portable
[01:53] <rhpot1991> I just have multiple copies when thats the case, one for ipod and one for mythtv still
[01:53] <Greybeard> that's why I don't think the PVR needs H.264 as badly as the portable devices do
[01:53] <rhpot1991> working on the script to keep those portable files in check right now :)
[01:53] <Greybeard> if you only want the smaller, lower quality files, you can just discard the originals
[01:53] <rhpot1991> Greybeard: I don't even like doing h264 on there, it takes forever to make them
[01:53] <rhpot1991> gotta compress so much and all
[01:53] <zelda1> well I dont. MP4 would be fine.
[01:53] <rhpot1991> ya mpeg4 works really well
[01:54] <zelda1> I can get what 720i/p on those?
[01:54] <Greybeard> rhpot1991: what kinds of rates of h.264 encoding do you get?
[01:54] <Greybeard> zelda1: you said you'd have NTSC inputs, which is about 480i
[01:54] <rhpot1991> Greybeard: I don't claim to be an encoding expert, I've done most of my research based on things I read to have work on devices
[01:55] <zelda1> well yeah its NTSC. But its coming from Dish.
[01:55] <rhpot1991> Greybeard: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythexport/trunk/annotate/10?file_id=mythexport-20080624051109-qq0w7i23958bzezo-3
[01:55] <zelda1> I dont have HD from there yet.
[01:56] <Greybeard> is mythexport related to nuvexport?
[01:56] <zelda1> how many MB does a normal 30min show take?
[01:56] <Greybeard> encoded by what?
[01:56] <zelda1> mp4.
[01:56] <zelda1> or mp2
[01:57] <Greybeard> using a PVR-x50, pretty good quality is obtained from about 1GiB/hr
[01:57] <rhpot1991> Greybeard: I let the users pass whatever bitrate they want into it, so it all depends, my userjob is setup to do 600kb
[01:57] <tgm4883_laptop> my 30 min shows are about 1.1GB
[01:58] <Greybeard> rhpot1991: you said encoding to H.264 took forever, so I was wondering how much slower than real time it was
[01:59] <balz> what is the command to bring up the mythbuntu backend config?
[01:59] <Greybeard> most of the backend configuration is in mythtv-setup
[01:59] <Greybeard> some is in mythfrontend, though
[02:03] <zelda1> ok, so I can still get mythTV, and get extra software that will reencode the mp2 to like mp4 or h.264 that woudl be better right? That would be good quality using a 720p TV?
[02:03] <balz> greybeard:  thanks!  if i run that from an ssh in another box, that should show up on my tv then, right?
[02:03] <balz> I can't read the normal xfce menus on my tv...
[02:03] <Greybeard> if you're recording from an NTSC signal, it won't ever be close to 720p
[02:03] <Greybeard> in quality
[02:03] <balz> Greybeard:  yeah i've noticed
[02:04] <Greybeard> balz: you need to run mythtv-setup?
[02:04] <Greybeard> if the TV's too fuzzy, you might want to forward the X connection over SSH to your desktop or laptop or whatever
[02:04] <balz> Greybeard:  Yes.  I need to try switching my channel table because I can't change channels from an analog cable feed in myth
[02:04] <Greybeard> or use VNC
[02:04] <zelda1> well even 480i/p is decent quality
[02:04] <Greybeard> it's all relative
[02:05] <zelda1> hrm. Ill hit up ebay for a pvr350
[02:05] <Greybeard> 480p movies on DVD can look very good, but I've never seen close to the same quality from TV
[02:05] <Greybeard> zelda1: if you aren't using an analog TV, a PVR-350 isn't for you
[02:06] <Greybeard> if you only want to record NTSC, get a PVR-150 or a PVR-500
[02:06] <balz> In fact, does anybody know why I'm not able to change channels from within myth?  I have a pvr-150 an an analog cable feed going in
[02:06] <zelda1> well?
[02:06] <Greybeard> connected to the coaxial RF input?
[02:07] <Greybeard> what happens when you try to change channels?
[02:07] <balz> Greybeard:  nothing.  i've tried with my remote and the keyboard
[02:07] <balz> and yes, it's connected to the coaxial input
[02:07] <tgm4883_laptop> zelda1, well?
[02:07] <balz> I can get channels 2-9 by hitting the number buttons on the remote, but that's it
[02:07] <Greybeard> you mean nothing is displayed when you push up or down?
[02:08] <zelda1> obviously tv isnt going to compare to DVD. But 480i/p is ok. Id prefer 720i/p but on an LCD?
[02:08] <Greybeard> so you are able to change channels then
[02:08] <balz> no. i mean it just won't change the channel. it stays on whatever channel it was on
[02:08] <Greybeard> ok
[02:08] <balz> Greybeard:  yes, but only 2-9 using the numbers on the remote
[02:08] <balz> neither the keyboard nor the remote can change go through channels up or down
[02:08] <Greybeard> so, up and down don't work, but the digits do?
[02:08] <tgm4883_laptop> zelda1, i'm confused, are you saying you want to record the 480i signal, then convert it to 720p?
[02:09] <Greybeard> yeah, I'm still trying to figure out what zelda1 wants too
[02:09] <zelda1> no. I have a 720p LCD TV
[02:09] <balz> Greybeard:  yes.  I suppose that's a much less convoluted way of sayign it=)
[02:09] <zelda1> I have dish.
[02:09] <Greybeard> I don't think I've seen that problem before
[02:10] <Greybeard> you should look at the backend log
[02:10] <balz> how would I access that?
[02:10] <balz> can i pastebin it for you to look at?  i wouldn't even know where to start
[02:10] <zelda1> Im going to capture 720p
[02:10] <Greybeard> it's usually in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[02:10] <Greybeard> sure, paste away
[02:11] <Greybeard> zelda1: how are you going to capture 720p with a composite video input?
[02:13] <zelda1> well wtf then? composite is 480i/p?
[02:13] <balz> ugh PuTTY is a b*tch to cut and paste with...
[02:13] <tgm4883_laptop> zelda1, your not capturing 720p video.  You can capture 480i though and it will look quite nice coming from a digital source
[02:13] <tgm4883_laptop> yes composite (and svideo) arae 480i
[02:13] <Greybeard> composite video from an NTSC source is pretty much 480i
[02:13] <tgm4883_laptop> s/arae/are
[02:13] <zelda1> ok, then thats what im going to record in
[02:14] <tgm4883_laptop> zelda1, what tv do you have
[02:14] <Greybeard> so, what were discussing earlier is that that signal is never going to look as good as true 720p on a 720p LCD TV
[02:14] <tgm4883_laptop> cause i'm assuming that is the question, how to get your signal there from the computer
[02:15] <Greybeard> balz: Putty has several options for clipboard behavior
[02:15] <zelda1> its a samsung 32" LCD
[02:15] <tgm4883_laptop> zelda1, model number
[02:15] <balz> Greybeard: I shoud look into those...
[02:15] <balz> anyway, here it is:  http://pastebin.com/mddf5cf9
[02:16] <zelda1> ln t3242h
[02:16] <Greybeard> I don't see anything related to tuning there
[02:16] <rhpot1991> Greybeard: I wrote mythexport, modified from ipodexport that someone else wrote
[02:17] <Greybeard> you may need to start mythbackend with "-v channel"
[02:17] <balz> Greybeard: wait no... i'm missing like half of it
[02:17] <Greybeard> ok
[02:17] <balz> hang on. sorry. stupid PuTTY lol
[02:17] <Greybeard> on Ubuntu, /etc/default/mythtv-backend has options for starting mythbackend
[02:18] <tgm4883_laptop> zelda1, why don't you use the vga in ?
[02:18] <balz> Greybeard:  how can I select the entire log file to be copied?  I can only hilight what is immediately visible in the window... which isn't much
[02:19] <zelda1> http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/Samsung-LN-T3242H.htm
[02:19] <Greybeard> email might be the easiest way
[02:19] <zelda1> thats not going to be 720
[02:19] <rhpot1991> Greybeard: took my 5000+ x2 about 8 mins to do a 30 min SD recording, using a single core IIRC
[02:19] <rhpot1991> in xvid
[02:19] <tgm4883_laptop> balz, i'd do the "-X -Y" switch and use gedit
[02:19] <Greybeard> yeah, that's not bad
[02:20] <tgm4883_laptop> zelda1, wtf?
[02:20] <rhpot1991> h264 takes a lot longer though
[02:20] <balz> tgm4883_laptop:  I'm on a windows client here
[02:20] <tgm4883_laptop> balz, try it anyway?
[02:20] <balz> tgm4883_laptop:  and what do you mean by -x and -y switch?
[02:20] <Greybeard> copy the log file to your local machine and then you can open it with Wordpad or something
[02:20] <tgm4883_laptop> balz, do "ssh ip -X -Y"
[02:21] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm not entirely sure how putty works though
[02:21] <Greybeard> but that won't work out of the box on Winders
[02:21] <balz> Greybeard:  forgive my utter n00b-ness.  what's the c ommand to copy the file to the windows client?
[02:21] <tgm4883_laptop> zelda1, do you know what 720p is?
[02:21] <Greybeard> nothing to forgive
[02:21] <balz> tgm4883_laptop:  thanks. will try in a sec
[02:21] <Greybeard> putty does have an scp command, but WinSCP might be easier
[02:22] <Greybeard> http://winscp.net/eng/download.php
[02:22] <Greybeard> WinSCP uses the SCP and SFTP protocols that are part of SSH, so if you can connect with Putty, you should be able to transfer files with WinSCP
[02:23] <tgm4883_laptop> zelda1, i'm going to eat, but wikipedia it
[02:23] <zelda1> yeah its 720x1280
[02:23] <Greybeard> specifically, 720p means 720 lines of resolution in a progressive frame
[02:23] <Greybeard> the image is usually 1280 rows across
[02:24] <zelda1> yeah i know taht
[02:24] <zelda1> thats basic.
[02:24] <zelda1> and its progressive
[02:25] <balz> Greybeard:  that's a cool little tool!
[02:25] <Greybeard> yeah, Putty and WinSCP can make Windows bearable
[02:26] <balz> Greaybeard:  lol. well put.  Anyway, here's the pastebined file:  http://pastebin.com/mdcfa769
[02:26] <zelda1> well cause one of the tvs im using doesnt have vga port on it.
[02:26] <Greybeard> ok, it looks like some database problems, rather than hardware
[02:26] <balz> Greybeard:  this is good news =)
[02:27] <Greybeard> have you been able to run mythtv-setup?
[02:27] <balz> ah let me do that real quick
[02:27] <balz> hmm i just got a gtk warning:  cannot open display
[02:27] <Greybeard> since you're on Windows, VNC might be useful for that, though it's one more little thing to download
[02:28] <balz> oh okay. now what is vnc exactly? i've heard the name before
[02:28] <Greybeard> all X programs need to have the DISPLAY variable set
[02:28] <Greybeard> if you connect by ssh, the variable won't be set
[02:28] <Greybeard> use a command like "export DISPLAY=:0"
[02:28] <Greybeard> then run mythtv-setup
[02:29] <Greybeard> http://www.tightvnc.com/
[02:29] <zelda1> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130178 thats the System Bord
[02:29] <zelda1> er board
[02:29] <balz> Greybeard:  i do this after installing VNC?
[02:29] <Greybeard> if you can see mythtv-setup on the TV, you don't need VNC
[02:29] <Greybeard> are you able to use it there?
[02:30] <balz> yeah. xprop:  unable to open display
[02:30] <Greybeard> balz: did you run ﻿"export DISPLAY=:0" ?
[02:30] <balz> yeah... oh you know what?  i didn't use caps
[02:31] <Greybeard> yeah, most things on Unix-like operating systems are case-sensitive
[02:31] <balz> (zenity:7611): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap",
[02:31] <balz> (zenity:7611): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap",
[02:31] <balz> (zenity:7611): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap",
[02:31] <zelda1> hrm, ok. I will get back to you guys later. im going to go eat.
[02:32] <Greybeard> did a window come up?
[02:32] <Greybeard> see you later, zelda1
[02:32] <balz> hmm let me see
[02:32] <Greybeard> I'm not sure if those GTK warnings were important
[02:32] <Greybeard> I see warnings like that all the time
[02:33] <zelda1> I want the best card out there. that will record 2 channels at once, and has a fm tuner
[02:33] <zelda1> thats the hvr1800.
[02:33] <balz> Greybeard:  a promt came up but i couldn't read it
[02:33] <balz> let me try one more tiem
[02:33] <Greybeard> well, "best" depends on a lot of things
[02:33] <Greybeard> you can't read it because it's too fuzzy?
[02:33] <zelda1> that has 2 NTSC tuners on there, but no composite/component pots.
[02:34] <balz> Greybeard:  score.  i had a dvd running
[02:34] <balz> i'm in the backend config
[02:34] <Greybeard> I think the hvr1800 has one ATSC and one NTSC tuner, doesn't it?
[02:34] <Greybeard> ok, good
[02:34] <balz> what do i do now?
[02:35] <Greybeard> you need to check the capture card configurations
[02:35] <zelda1> with dual tuner NTSC/ASTC/QAM TV tuners
[02:35] <Greybeard> yeah, not very precise
[02:35] <balz> Greybeard:  okay i'm in the caputre card setup
[02:35] <Greybeard> do you see your cards there?
[02:35] <zelda1> Composite/S-Video and audio inputs, for cable or satellite set top boxes or  VCRs.
[02:35] <balz> i have it set to MPEG-2 encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500)
[02:36] <Greybeard> your card is a PVR-150, right?
[02:36] <balz> set as /dev/video0 ... probed info wintv pvr150
[02:36] <balz> yes, that's right
[02:36] <Greybeard> that seems right
[02:36] <balz> and i have the default input at tuner 1
[02:36] <Greybeard> check that your sources and connections are good too
[02:37] <Greybeard> sources are things like OTA broadcast and cable TV
[02:37] <zelda1> so greybeard im fine with that card then?
[02:37] <Greybeard> probably
[02:37] <balz> Greybeard:  i can get the cable feed by plugging it straight into my tv.  is that what you mean't?
[02:37] <balz> *meant, even
[02:37] <Greybeard> actually, check that the device is correct
[02:37] <balz> Greybeard: how do i do that/
[02:37] <Greybeard> look at the kernel log
[02:38] <balz> Greybeard:  what's the path to the kernel log?
[02:38] <Greybeard> it should be in /var/log/kern.log
[02:38] <balz> okay. checking
[02:38] <Greybeard> look for IVTV
[02:38] <zelda1> hrm ok. I'll be back another time to talk about it. Im still not sure.
[02:38] <Greybeard> there should be a big IVTV banner
[02:38] <zelda1> later  Im going to get some food.
[02:38] <Greybeard> zelda1:"Two tuners on board: a 125 channel cable ready TV tuner and an ATSC digital TV tuner. Connect both cable TV and ATSC digital TV to the WinTV-HVR-1800 at the same time."
[02:38] <zelda1> thanks for your help
[02:38] <Greybeard> that's from http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_hvr1800.html
[02:38] <Greybeard> sure, glad to help
[02:39] <zelda1> yeah, So I can do that.
[02:39] <zelda1> it has a ntsc tuner.
[02:39] <Greybeard> yes, it has one NTSC and one ATSC tuner
[02:39] <Greybeard> you can record one program of each type at once
[02:39] <Greybeard> but not two NTSC at once
[02:39] <Greybeard> and probably not NTSC at all on Linux yet
[02:40] <zelda1> ntsc is analog though right?
[02:40] <Greybeard> correct
[02:40] <zelda1> yeah thats right.
[02:40] <zelda1> you showed me that link.
[02:40] <Greybeard> if you have composite video out from your cable box, you need an NTSC capture device
[02:41] <Greybeard> assuming you're in an NTSC country of course
[02:41] <zelda1> well im in the USA
[02:41] <zelda1> so ya
[02:41] <Greybeard> ok, NTSC it is
[02:41] <zelda1> well Ill look at the box then.
[02:41] <balz> Greybeard:  http://pastebin.com/m63e5469
[02:41] <zelda1> I have composite on the tv too.
[02:41] <Greybeard> that's why I pointed you to the PVR-500, since it has two NTSC encoders
[02:41] <zelda1> oh ok.
[02:42] <zelda1> is that pci?
[02:42] <Greybeard> yes, it's PCI
[02:42] <Greybeard> balz: your PVR-150 is at /dev/video0
[02:43] <balz> Greybeard:  yes
[02:43] <Greybeard> Aug 18 18:01:15 server kernel: [   30.554669] ivtv0: Registered device video0 for encoder MPG (4096 kB)
[02:43] <zelda1> ok well waht if I wanted to have the fm tuner and stuff that the 500 doesnt.
[02:43] <Greybeard> so, the MythTV configuration should be right
[02:43] <Greybeard> I see
[02:43] <zelda1> 2: ATSC and NTSC thats off the 1800
[02:43] <rhpot1991> has anyone ever tried to pump surround sounds out of anything that isn't a spdif port?
[02:43] <zelda1> 2: NTSC thats the 500
[02:43] <Greybeard> some PVR-150s have FM radio tuners
[02:44] <balz> Greybeard:  ooh is it using that?
[02:44] <Greybeard> yeah, I've used the regular analog 1/8" jacks to connect a 5.1 speaker system
[02:44] <Greybeard> balz: using what?
[02:44] <rhpot1991> Greybeard: did it actually pump out surround sound?
[02:44] <balz> Greybeard:   oh i thought the FM tuner was about my card, nvm
[02:45] <Greybeard> yeah, surround worked fine
[02:45] <rhpot1991> I have mine trying to do that now and it seems to be only getting background noise for the left and right speakers
[02:45] <Greybeard> the speakers were a little weak, so now I'm using a better system with MythTV
[02:45] <rhpot1991> did you have to do anything special in alsa/mythtv?
[02:45] <Greybeard> MythTV's handling of surround sound is somewhat immature
[02:45] <Greybeard> when I was doing that, I was using SVN HEAD I think
[02:46] <Greybeard> it should be in the releases now I believe
[02:46] <rhpot1991> I told it to do 5.1 in mythtv but like I said its not
[02:46] <rhpot1991> let me mess some more
[02:46] <Greybeard> yeah, there are some settings in the General -> audio or something
[02:46] <Greybeard> usually, "alsa:surround51" is the device to use
[02:46] <balz> Greybeard:  any ideas?  i admit i'm in way over my head at this point...
[02:47] <Greybeard> balz: did you check the connections in mythtv-setup?
[02:47] <balz> Greybeard:  I looked over it and it seems to be okay
[02:48] <balz> Do i need an external channel chagne command if i don't have a set top box?
[02:48] <Greybeard> ok, well, exit mythtv-setup and it should restart mythbackend
[02:48] <Greybeard> then try watching TV again
[02:48] <rhpot1991> Greybeard: I assumed that meant the setup where you plug in all 5 wires in the back
[02:48] <Greybeard> three cables
[02:48] <Greybeard> two channels on each cable
[02:48] <Greybeard> regular stereo coaxial line outs
[02:48] <balz> but otherwise /dev/video0 is the capture device, input is tuner 1, i have no dislplay name defined, no external channel change command, no "preset tuner to channel" entry ...
[02:48] <Greybeard> most motherboards have them these days
[02:48] <balz> starting channel:  4
[02:49] <rhpot1991> ya but my tv only has one input
[02:49] <Greybeard> balz: how are you getting TV?
[02:49] <rhpot1991> I was trying to jump on the optical from that
[02:49] <balz> Greybeard:  analog cable
[02:49] <Greybeard> can you tune channels using the regular TV?
[02:49] <balz> ZOMG... I have the c hannel frequency table set to us-bcast... should it be us-cable?
[02:49] <Greybeard> yes, it should be us-cable
[02:49] <balz> EUREKA!
[02:50] <balz> well... assuming that works
[02:50] <Greybeard> that might be part of the problem
[02:50] <balz> Greybeard, if this works, I am sending you a valentine card
[02:50] <balz> oh right... gotta plug int he cable though... lulz
[02:50] <Greybeard> ﻿rhpot1991: you're trying to send surround sound over an optical link?
[02:50] <Greybeard> heh
[02:51] <Greybeard> should I start running?
[02:52] <rhpot1991> nah I have that running from my mythbox, but my surround system only has a single input
[02:52] <rhpot1991> I'd like to route everything through the tv first then down to the surround sound
[02:52] <rhpot1991> over optical
[02:52] <Greybeard> oh
[02:52] <Greybeard> can your TV do that?
[02:52] <rhpot1991> I think
[02:53] <rhpot1991> trying to verify it actually pumps out surround sound from it
[02:53] <Greybeard> fancy TV
[02:53] <balz> Greybeard:  will I need to restart for this to work?
[02:53] <Greybeard> after you exit mythtv-setup, it should restart mythbackend automatically
[02:53] <balz> cool, cool
[02:54] <Greybeard> mythbackend shouldn't be running while you're in mythtv-setup
[02:54] <Greybeard> it should have notified it was stopping mythbackend
[02:55] <balz> indeed it did
[02:55] <Greybeard> rhpot1991: the optical inputs and outputs on consumer devices generally support SPDIF format stereo audio as well as opaque bitstreams that can usually be AC3 or DTS
[02:55] <balz> if i scan channels as us-cable, is there anywhere else i need to define us-cable?
[02:56] <Greybeard> so, if your TV can route the optical digital audio stream, it doesn't have to know anything about its contents
[02:56] <Greybeard> balz: MythTV also has a default channel mapping
[02:56] <Greybeard> it's in the "Main" mythtv-setup screen I think
[02:56] <balz> Greybeard:  aaah let me look at that
[02:57] <rhpot1991> Greybeard: well mythtv into the surround results in actual surround sound
[02:57] <rhpot1991> out from the tv isn't doing so currently, so I need to figure out if it can actually do so
[02:57] <Greybeard> general rather than main
[02:57] <Greybeard> the top menu option in mythtv-setup
[02:58] <balz> got it
[02:58] <balz> Greybeard:  i'm not sure what the difference between the two are
[02:58] <Greybeard> rhpot1991: so, MythTV is sending the AC3 stream over the optical link?
[02:59] <Greybeard> well, the setting in the "General" area is just a default I think
[02:59] <balz> oh wait. sorry i was looking at the worng thing
[02:59] <balz> i got it
[02:59] <balz> Greybeard:  what do i do for VBI format?
[02:59] <balz> and TV format is  NTSC, right?
[03:00] <Greybeard> right
[03:00] <Greybeard> probably just the default for VBI
[03:00] <Greybeard> that's mainly for CC
[03:00] <Greybeard> you need to check in "Video Sources" to make sure it's set to NTSC and us-cable
[03:01] <Greybeard> if you have one cable service, you should have one Video Source
[03:01] <balz> okay
[03:02] <Greybeard> once you make sure the Video Source is configured correctly, Make sure one of your tuner card's inputs is connected to that source in "Input Connections"
[03:02] <balz> Greybeard:  why not leave channel frequency table to "default" in the video source setup?
[03:02] <balz> since i already defined us-cable in the general settings?
[03:03] <rhpot1991> Greybeard: looks like it doesn't pass surround from hdmi to optical :(
[03:03] <rhpot1991> only does surround via the tuner
[03:04] <balz> what's the command to start the myth frontend?
[03:05] <Greybeard> balz: default probably works
[03:05] <Greybeard> rhpot1991: oh, you're using HDMI for sound from the MythTV box to the TV
[03:05] <Greybeard> I thought you were using optical
[03:06] <rhpot1991> Greybeard: nope, but from my cable box as a test
[03:06] <rhpot1991> to see if the tv could pass it through
[03:06] <Greybeard> HDMI from the cable box to the TV?
[03:06] <Greybeard> ok
[03:06] <rhpot1991> seems it only passes 5.1 from the tuner
[03:06] <Greybeard> from the TV's internal tuner?
[03:06] <balz> what is the command to start the mythtv frontend?
[03:06] <rhpot1991> the tv has a single audio jack for the computer
[03:06] <Greybeard> mythfrontend
[03:06] <Greybeard> what type of jack?
[03:06] <rhpot1991> I'll just have to go optical from mythtv right to the surround still
[03:07] <rhpot1991> headphone jack type thing
[03:07] <Greybeard> yeah, that's probably not digital
[03:07] <rhpot1991> which I doubt can carry anything greater that stereo, but I had a friend telling me otherwise
[03:07] <Greybeard> electrical SPDIF connectors seem to usually be RCA type
[03:08] <Greybeard> OTOH, sound cards sometimes have SPDIF outs that are phone jacks
[03:08] <Greybeard> I'd be very surprised if the TV had a phone jack for SPDIF
[03:09] <Greybeard> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spdif#Hardware_specifications indicates that RCA jacks or optical connectors are the choices for SPDIF
[03:10] <rhpot1991> ya
[03:10] <Greybeard> the PC sound cards probably just use the phone jacks to save space, though it's not compliant with the specs
[03:10] <rhpot1991> just trying to figure ways around the single optical input on my surround
[03:10] <rhpot1991> I'd like to get the xbox, etc on it at some point
[03:10] <Greybeard> so, the TV doesn't have any optical in?
[03:11] <rhpot1991> nope, just out
[03:11] <balz> Greybeard:  still no go... i'm having the same problem
[03:11] <Greybeard> balz: are you still getting database errors in the mythbackend log?
[03:12] <balz> let me see
[03:13] <balz> Greybeard:  http://pastebin.com/mdc1e222
[03:14] <Greybeard> I think MySQL is having trouble
[03:14] <Greybeard> can you repair the database?
[03:15] <balz> how do i do that?
[03:15] <Greybeard> there might be a button in MCC
[03:15] <balz> a button to repair the database
[03:15] <zelda1> im back.
[03:16] <zelda1> Whats the difference between the 3d comb filter and the temperal
[03:16] <zelda1> ?
[03:16] <Greybeard> are you looking at TV capture card specs?
[03:17] <zelda1> Video filter 3D comb 3D comb temporal temporal temporal
[03:17] <Greybeard> balz: look under "Advanced Management" in Mythbuntu Control Centre
[03:17] <Greybeard> I don't know anything about those types of filters
[03:17] <zelda1> hrm . i'll wiki it.
[03:18] <balz> Greybeard:  i'm not going to be able to read anything from the mythbuntu control centre on this TV... what can I do?
[03:19] <zelda1> hey is that linux os's in general with that only digital stuff?>
[03:20] <balz> Greybeard:  another weird thign is that I think the channel scan is picking up the channels... I guess that futhers your point about the mysql database
[03:22] <zelda1> and does that radio tuner work?
[03:23] <Greybeard> balz: you should use vnc
[03:23] <Greybeard> then you can see what you're doing on a better screen
[03:23] <Greybeard> balz: "sudo aptitude install tightvncserver"
[03:24] <balz> done
[03:24] <Greybeard> then download the Windows viewer
[03:24] <Greybeard> http://www.tightvnc.com/download.html
[03:24] <Greybeard> balz: you're on a private LAN, right?
[03:25] <balz> yes
[03:25] <balz> wifi, but local yes
[03:25] <Greybeard> zelda1: what do you mean by only digital stuff?
[03:25] <Greybeard> ok, so you can just run VNC normally
[03:26] <Greybeard> balz: run tightvncserver on the Ubuntu machine to start the server
[03:26] <gbutters_zzzz> balz: It looks like you do not have a data source from your logs.
[03:27] <Greybeard> well, there are messages about the database connection going away
[03:27] <gbutters_zzzz> balz: You should not have to do a channel scan with the PVR150
[03:27] <balz> gbutters_zzzz ... what do you mean?
[03:27] <balz> the coax cable is plugged in
[03:27] <Greybeard> "MySQL server has gone away"
[03:27] <balz> i forgot to plug it in once, and then i plugged it in
[03:27] <balz> ... say whaaaaaat?
[03:28] <Greybeard> well, MythTV should work when it's not connected, but you'll just get snow
[03:28] <gbutters_zzzz> balz: The log is showing unknown for all your channels and it should telling the name of the show
[03:28] <balz> Greybeard:  did it shut it down when I entered the mythbunto control centre?
[03:28] <balz> gbutters_zzzz:  I don't ahve a listings grabber
[03:29] <Greybeard> no, nothing should have shut down
[03:29] <Greybeard> that could be your main probelem then
[03:29] <Greybeard> problem
[03:30] <balz> Greybear:  okay. so what should I do?
[03:30] <Greybeard> you need to configure that in the mythtv-setup "Video Sources" page
[03:30] <gbutters_zzzz> Greybeard: That is what it looks like from his log
[03:30] <Greybeard> yeah, you're probably right
[03:31] <Greybeard> the MythTV database error messages aren't particularly helpful
[03:31] <balz> gbutters_zzzz, Greybeard:  I'm in the mythbuntu-setup
[03:31] <gbutters_zzzz> balz: Can tune to channels above 9 now that you have changed to us-cable
[03:31] <Greybeard> you can run mythtv-setup from there
[03:32] <Greybeard> "MythTV Configuration"
[03:32] <Greybeard> "Launch Mythtv Setup"
[03:32] <balz> Greybeard:  oh cool. well i'm in now
[03:32] <Greybeard> so, go to "Video Sources"
[03:32] <balz> got it
[03:33] <Greybeard> you have an account to get listings, right?
[03:33] <balz> no
[03:33] <balz> Greybeard:  wait, now i'm confused
[03:33] <balz> you need a listings grabber to change channels?
[03:33] <gbutters_zzzz> balz: goto schedulesdirect.org and sign for the trial
[03:33] <Greybeard> I'm not sure if it's absolutely necessary, but I haven't tried it without one
[03:34] <balz> okay. let me set that up real quick
[03:34] <Greybeard> MythTV isn't much good without listings anyway
[03:37] <balz> waiting for confirmation email
[03:37] <balz> Greybeard:  agreed. i just didn't want to pay 20 bucks until i had it running
[03:37] <Greybeard> I think there is a trial period
[03:38] <balz> yeah, i didn't see that part lol
[03:38] <balz> this email is taking a long time
[03:39] <gbutters> balz: check your spam blocker should have it by now
[03:39] <balz> gbutters:  yeah i did...
[03:41] <balz> yeah it just hasn't sent the code... wtf?
[03:42] <gbutters> balz: do not know catch you later bedtime
[03:43] <Greybeard> balz: MythTV can be a pain to set up, but once you've got a good setup, it should be pretty solid and low maintenance
[03:43] <balz> Greybeard:  yeah that's what I hear.  it's all good though. patience is a virtue lol
[03:43] <balz> gbutters:  night! thanks for the help!
[03:43] <Greybeard> yeah, it's not for the faint of heart
[03:45] <balz> ok activated!
[03:45] <Greybeard> good
[03:45] <balz> finally lol
[03:45] <balz> now what
[03:47] <balz> Greybeard, gbutters:  Do I enter the information under the listings grabber section and hit retrieve lineups?
[03:49] <Greybeard> yep
[03:50] <balz> Greybeard:  done, now what?
[03:50] <Greybeard> you have the correct input of the tuner card connected to the Video Source in "Input Connections, right?
[03:51] <balz> yeah it's /dev/video0
[03:51] <balz> fetch channels from listings source?
[03:51] <Greybeard> did you look in "Input Connections"?
[03:52] <balz> yeah
[03:52] <Greybeard> yes, you need to fetch channels, and then listings
[03:55] <balz> ok... workingo n it
[03:55] <Greybeard> it can take a while
[03:55] <Greybeard> once it's set up, it should do it in the background at scheduled times so you never have to wait
[03:56] <balz> odd...
[03:57] <balz> i can't select "fetch channels from listings source"
[03:59] <zelda1> hrm
[03:59] <balz> Greybeard:  is that also mysql relaed?
[03:59] <balz> I can hilight the button but not use it
[04:00] <Greybeard> I'm not sure
[04:00] <Greybeard> didn't you already fetch channels?
[04:00] <balz> Greybeard:  i think i got it.  i have no ilneups selected on the schedules direct website
[04:01] <Greybeard> right, you need a lineup first
[04:01] <balz> so i can fetch channels but not lineups yet... let me fix that
[04:01] <balz> haha i'm such a dumb-dumb sometimes
[04:01] <Greybeard> sorry, it's been a while since I started from scratch, so I don't remember each step
[04:02] <balz> no worries, you can't be all knowing... you're already a lot better at this than i am
[04:02] <Greybeard> well, I've already wasted a lot of time on this stuff; I hope you don't have to waste as much as I did
[04:03] <balz> yeah, welcome to linux though
[04:03] <balz> i mean when it works it's awesome
[04:03] <Greybeard> yeah, that's the way to learn
[04:03] <balz> but when it doesn't ... ooooh maaaan
[04:03] <zelda1> well goodnight people. I will get back tomorrow.
[04:03] <balz> night zelda
[04:04] <Greybeard> if you're new to using GNU/Linux, this should be useful experience in general, not just for MythTV
[04:04] <balz> Yeah. it definitely already  has been
[04:04] <balz> Well I still can't select "fetch channels from listings source"
[04:05] <balz> oh scratch that
[04:05] <balz> got it
[04:05] <balz> i was in the wrong menu. you have to do it under video source setup, input connections
[04:06] <balz> okay so i have the data direct lineup
[04:06] <Greybeard> you have to make sure one of the card's inputs is connected to the source, yeah
[04:07] <Greybeard> I never figured out what the optimal order of each of these steps was; I seemed to have to do some steps more than once
[04:08] <Greybeard> but, now, you should be able to exit mythtv-setup and listings should be fetched
[04:08] <balz> what do you mean by make sure one of the card's inputs is connected to the source?  just that the cable is plugged in?
[04:08] <Greybeard> no, I mean in "Input Connections"
[04:08] <balz> oh you mean check that it's set to tuner 0?
[04:09] <balz> Greybeard:  what's the command to start the mythtv-frontend?
[04:09] <Greybeard> yeah, make sure there's an association between the card's input and the listing source
[04:09] <Greybeard> mythfrontend
[04:09] <balz> okay
[04:10] <balz> well myth-fill-database is running like WOAH. so i'm guessing something happened =)
[04:10] <Greybeard> yeah, you should be able to see messages about fetching XML and station names and program counts and stuff like that
[04:10] <Greybeard> it could take a few minutes the first time
[04:10] <balz> i dunno if it's of any relevance, but this just occured to me:  i haven't been getting an OSD at all when watching livetv ...
[04:10] <Greybeard> that's what I was trying to ask earlier I guess
[04:11] <balz> ooh.  haha sorry
[04:11] <Greybeard> when you navigate channels, the OSD pops up
[04:11] <Greybeard> I guess if you hadn't used it before, you wouldn't know that
[04:11] <balz> but that's conisitent with a lack of lineup data?
[04:11] <balz> right. hasn't been doing that at all
[04:12] <Greybeard> but you were able to change channels with digits?
[04:12] <balz> yeah
[04:12] <balz> but only single digits
[04:12] <Greybeard> I'm not sure why that worked at all
[04:12] <balz> ok i'm in the myth frontend now
[04:12] <Greybeard> ok
[04:12] <balz> still not channel changing
[04:13] <Greybeard> is there any OSD at all?
[04:13] <Greybeard> what about when you hit "i"?
[04:13] <balz> well i have a program guide
[04:13] <Greybeard> is there a TV signal displaying?
[04:14] <larson9999> i want to use a regular monitor for the display.  it's displaying now but there are two images one on top of the other and black and white.  that mean i need to change xorg.conf?
[04:14] <balz> yeah i have a signal
[04:14] <Greybeard>  I'm not sure what it means
[04:14] <Greybeard> there is a recognizable image?
[04:15] <balz> Greybeard:  on mine?  I have fox on and i can get the program guide
[04:15] <Greybeard> but the image isn't displaying correctly?
[04:16] <Greybeard> it could be that you need to switch to a different TV playback profile
[04:16] <balz> Greybeard:  interesting... I can change channels through the program guide but not with chan +/- ... and is it really supposed to take a few seconds to switch channels?
[04:17] <Greybeard> it usually takes a few seconds, yes
[04:17] <balz> okay. and my image is flickering a bit
[04:17] <balz> is that normal?
[04:17] <Greybeard> flickering isn't desirable, but unfortunately common
[04:17] <Greybeard> you may need to experiment with the TV Playback options to get the best results
[04:18] <balz> where are the tv playback options?
[04:18] <balz> um... and my screen saver is kicking in... believe it or not... how can i fix that?
[04:20] <Greybeard> Utilities/Setup -> Setup -> TV -> Playback
[04:20] <Greybeard> the screen just went blank?
[04:20] <balz> it faded out
[04:20] <balz> and i saw the mouse cursor right before it did
[04:21] <Greybeard> that's probably a standalone screensaver program
[04:21] <Greybeard> I'm not sure why it's installed by default
[04:21] <Greybeard> you used the mythbuntu install CD?
[04:22] <balz> yeah
[04:23] <Greybeard> is gnome-screensaver running?
[04:23] <Greybeard> pgrep -l screen
[04:26] <balz> yeah i have 6068 gnome-screensav
[04:27] <Greybeard> I also run the following to make sure X doesn't blank:
[04:27] <Greybeard> xset s off
[04:27] <Greybeard> xset -dpms
[04:27] <Greybeard> ok, run gnome-screensaver-preferences
[04:27] <Greybeard> you can tell it to never blank
[04:27] <Greybeard> it seems dumb that it's there at all
[04:27] <balz> ugh... definitely not going to be able to read that on my screen
[04:27] <balz> vnc time?
[04:27] <balz> bc  i couldn't get that to work
[04:27] <Greybeard> if you can't read the screen, VNC would help
[04:28] <balz> what does xset s off do? and xset -dpms
[04:28] <Greybeard> disabled's Xorg's internal blanking and DPMS
[04:28] <Greybeard> if you leave gnome-screensaver running and tell it to never blank, you probably don't need those manual commands
[04:29] <balz> are the manual commands premanent though?  i'm all for doing things by cli
[04:29] <balz> permanent, even
[04:29] <Greybeard> if you stop gnome-screensaver from starting and run those commands whenever the X session starts, that should keep it from blanking
[04:30] <balz> gotcha okay
[04:30] <Greybeard> I can't remember exactly where everything in the X session is started
[04:30] <balz> so in the meantime. any idea why i still can't change channels via chan +/-?
[04:30] <Greybeard> can you get OSD at all?
[04:30] <Greybeard> can you get the menu or information?
[04:31] <balz> i can get the listings menu
[04:31] <Greybeard> I mean when you go to "Watch TV"
[04:31] <Greybeard> do you ever seen anything on the screen other than the video image?
[04:31] <balz> no
[04:32] <balz> why, mythtv? why?
[04:32] <Greybeard> look at the mythfrontend output, either in a log file or in the terminal where you started it from
[04:33] <balz> okay
[04:33] <Greybeard> look for any error messages
[04:33] <balz> I get QDateTime::fromString:  Parameter out of range
[04:34] <Greybeard> I don't know what that means
[04:34] <Greybeard> I don't seem to have that in my logs
[04:34] <Greybeard> you have the time set correctly?
[04:34] <balz> I also get AudioOutput Warning:  Mixer attach error -2:  No such file or directory   Check mixer name in Setup:  '/dev/mixer'
[04:34] <balz> on the system as a whole? yeah
[04:35] <balz> and i get the right timei n the program guide
[04:35] <Greybeard> ok
[04:35] <Greybeard> so, when you're in "Watch TV", it's completely unresponsive?
[04:35] <balz> the chan +/- is, yes
[04:35] <Greybeard> what about other buttons or keys?
[04:36] <balz> they all work
[04:36] <balz> in fact, i just paused it
[04:36] <Greybeard> what happens when you hit up or down arrow?
[04:36] <balz> nothing
[04:37] <Greybeard> I guess you need to look at the backend log again
[04:38] <balz> pastebin?
[04:38] <Greybeard> sure
[04:41] <balz> http://pastebin.com/m56f061da
[04:41] <balz> Greybeard
[04:42] <Greybeard> ok, the database errors are still there
[04:42] <Greybeard> can you connect to the database manually and try to run one of those queries?
[04:43] <balz> here's something interesting too... dunno if it's significant...   When the screen black out bc of the screensaver, the remote won't disable it.  I have to use the keyboard.  Is that maybe why I can't change channels?  or does that have nothing to do with it?
[04:43] <balz> Greybeard:  what do you mean by connect manually and run a query?
[04:43] <Greybeard> no, if you're using Lirc for the remote, the screensaver ignores it
[04:43] <Greybeard> that's why I don't think the screensaver should be turned on by default
[04:44] <Greybeard> mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg
[04:44] <balz> right okay
[04:44] <Greybeard> the database connection details are in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[04:44] <Greybeard> you'll have to enter the password from there
[04:44] <balz> oh crap. is that where my  mysql password is too?
[04:45] <Greybeard> the mysql password is in ﻿/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[04:46] <Greybeard> toward the end of what you pasted there is mention of programs being recorded
[04:46] <Greybeard> maybe this isn't a database problem after all
[04:47] <Greybeard> yeah, the database isn't the problem now
[04:47] <balz> oh really?
[04:47] <Greybeard> I think now your problem is with the display
[04:47] <balz> how so?
[04:47] <Greybeard> it was recording things
[04:48] <Greybeard> and it wasn't talking about database errors any more
[04:48] <Greybeard> how messed up is the display currently?
[04:48] <balz> it looks fine
[04:48] <balz> you're talking about the tv shows and whatnot?
[04:48] <Greybeard> yeah, you said it was split or something earlier
[04:49] <balz> oh it was a bit jumpy
[04:49] <balz> it still is vaguely
[04:49] <balz> i messed with the interlacing and it helped
[04:49] <Greybeard> ok
[04:49] <Greybeard> but you can pause and seek and stuff?
[04:50] <balz> yeah
[04:50] <Greybeard> and hit "i" for program details?
[04:50] <balz> that doesn't work
[04:50] <Greybeard> "m" for menu?
[04:50] <balz> I don't have an m... but the big green windows logo brings up a menu
[04:51] <Greybeard> ok
[04:51] <balz> i can get the program guide from there
[04:51] <Greybeard> and you can switch channels using that?
[04:51] <balz> yeah
[04:51] <Greybeard> you can navigate all four directions?
[04:51] <balz> yes
[04:51] <balz> the numbers won't jump to the appropriate channels there though...
[04:52] <Greybeard> well, I have no idea why you'd be able to change channels in the guide but not in regular view
[04:53] <balz> yeah neither do i
[04:53] <Greybeard> can you schedule programs in the guide and they show up in the recorded programs?
[04:53] <balz> let's see
[04:53] <Greybeard> I hardly ever use Live TV anyway
[04:54] <Greybeard> MythTV's Live TV has some big problems and I think it's because few developers use it
[04:55] <balz> whaaat?  i think this thing is automatically recording everything i watch
[04:55] <Greybeard> yeah, it is
[04:55] <Greybeard> that's the way it works
[04:55] <balz> oh okay
[04:55] <balz> it'll automatically delete?
[04:55] <Greybeard> the "Live TV" recordings aren't usually visible in the list thought
[04:55] <Greybeard> though
[04:55] <Greybeard> yeah, the recordings of Live tv will be deleted in just a few minutes
[04:55] <balz> okay
[04:56] <balz> i mean i guess it's usable like this, but it's kind of odd
[04:56] <Greybeard> yeah, Live TV should work
[04:57] <Greybeard> there may be more relevant messages from either the frontend or backend that we aren't seeing
[04:57] <Greybeard> for instance, you can start the backend with -v channel to get more messages about channels
[04:58] <balz> okay. how do i exit the backend?
[04:59] <Greybeard> sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop
[04:59] <Greybeard> its parameters are in /etc/default/mythtv-backend
[05:01] <balz> okay i stopped the backend
[05:01] <Greybeard> edit ﻿/etc/default/mythtv-backend
[05:02] <Greybeard> it should have a line something like EXTRA_ARGS="--verbose important,general,idle"
[05:02] <Greybeard> add channel to that list
[05:02] <larson9999> well i see tv but i'm seeing double.  one on top of the other  the bottom one is flickering a green color
[05:02] <Greybeard> so, it was good for a bit and now it's bad again?
[05:03] <teprrr> the livetv recordings won't be removed immediately
[05:03] <balz> Greybeard:  I got the line
[05:03] <teprrr> you can for example push record button on your remote in the ending of the movie and the whole movie will be saved then
[05:03] <Greybeard> ok, once you've edited the file, you can start the backend with ﻿"sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start"
[05:03] <teprrr> ie. livetv keeps its "cache" for some time, even after you've changed channels and so
[05:05] <balz> Greybeard:  wait... i have a line that's commented out:  EXTRA_ARGS="--verbose"       you want me to add important, general, idle?
[05:05] <balz> or channel?
[05:05] <Greybeard> well, you need some line of EXTRA_ARGS with channel
[05:06] <Greybeard> EXTRA_ARGS="--verbose important,general,idle,channel"
[05:06] <balz> okay
[05:07] <balz> i only had EXTRA_ARGS="--verbose"  so i added important,general,idle,channel
[05:07] <balz> saved
[05:07] <Greybeard> then start mythbackend again
[05:08] <balz> Greybeard started
[05:08] <Greybeard> then try to change channels again and see if there are any interesting messages in the backend log
[05:08] <balz> okay
[05:11] <balz> okay... hang on. let me get my charger
[05:11] <Greybeard> ok
[05:12] <balz> channel up is... fast forwarding?
[05:13] <Greybeard> huh?
[05:13] <balz> when i hit channel up, it's skipping back to a previous point in the program...
[05:14] <Greybeard> which mode are you in?
[05:14] <Greybeard> Live TV or watching a recording?
[05:14] <balz> I'm getting tihs message over and over again:  WriteAudio:  buffer underun and NVP:  prebuffering pause
[05:14] <Greybeard> audio's not working yet, right?
[05:15] <balz> wait i got it no
[05:15] <balz> i think it was set on fast forward
[05:15] <balz> oh. i have this show scheduled to record... maybe that's why?
[05:17] <Greybeard> while watching a recording up and down arrows seek
[05:17] <balz> aaah that's why
[05:17] <Greybeard> while in Live TV, they select channel
[05:17] <Greybeard> so, which mode were you in?
[05:17] <balz> well right now my tuner is recording aqua teen hunger force
[05:17] <balz> so i guess i was watching a recording?
[05:18] <Greybeard> from the main menu, you can select either "Live TV" or "Watch Recordings"
[05:18] <Greybeard> however, if you hit the record button while in Live mode it'll switch to watching mode
[05:19] <balz> right
[05:19] <balz> can you switch back from watching mode by hitting the same button?
[05:19] <Greybeard> no
[05:20] <balz> gotcha. okay hang on one second please. sorry
[05:20] <Greybeard> I think you might be able to cancel recording in the menu
[05:20] <balz> okay
[05:21] <Greybeard> or you can cancel it by hitting right arrow in the watch recordings menu
[05:24] <balz> okay let me cancel this ...
[05:24] <balz> sorry i had something on the stove
[05:24] <Greybeard> yeah, I did too
[05:24] <Greybeard> it burned; I haven't done that in a long time
[05:24] <balz> haha that's the worse
[05:25] <Greybeard> it's mostly edible
[05:30] <balz> Greybeard:  real quick:  what's the path to the lirc config file?
[05:30] <Greybeard> for the remote?
[05:30] <balz> yeah
[05:31] <Greybeard> /etc/lirc/lircd.conf
[05:31] <Greybeard> you probably should use the keyboard until you're sure MythTV is working right, then figure out the remote buttons
[05:31] <balz> oh yeah. it was just something unrelated
[05:32] <balz> okay every time i try to change the channel with chan +/- i get this:  QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range
[05:32] <Greybeard> hmmm
[05:32] <Greybeard> that's very odd
[05:32] <Greybeard> maybe try changing themes
[05:32] <balz> yeah seems like it
[05:32] <Greybeard> it could be a bug in the theme
[05:33] <balz> what would that mean as far as fixing it?
[05:33] <Greybeard> I don't know
[05:34] <Greybeard> I don't think I've encountered your problem before and I haven't edited themes much
[05:34] <Greybeard> you just did a normal install from the Mythbuntu 8.04 CD, right?
[05:35] <balz> yeah
[05:35] <balz> and i installed the MCEUSB driver for the MCE remtoe
[05:35] <Greybeard> yeah, I have that one too
[05:36] <Greybeard> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/59160?search_string=QDateTime%3A%3AfromString%3A Parameter out of range;#59160
[05:37] <Greybeard> so, maybe it doesn't have anything to do with a theme
[05:38] <Greybeard> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?list=mythtv&do=search_results&search_forum=forum_1&search_string=QDateTime%3A%3AfromString%3A+Parameter+out+of+range&search_type=AND
[05:38] <Greybeard> it looks like quite a few people have had similar problems
[05:39] <balz> yeah... any fix?
[05:39] <Greybeard> one guy says run mythfilldatabase
[05:39] <Greybeard> but you just did that
[05:40] <balz> right
[05:41] <balz> that's a pain though...
[05:41] <Greybeard> did it take a long time the first time?
[05:42] <balz> mythfill database?
[05:42] <balz> yes
[05:46] <balz> Argh... this sucks...
[05:47] <Greybeard> what's happening now?
[05:47] <balz> well more of the same
[05:48] <Greybeard> it sounds like this might be some kind of inconsistency in the database
[05:48] <Greybeard> it could be that MythTV got confused by the order you did things or something
[05:48] <balz> i'm not sure what you mean
[05:49] <Greybeard> since you don't have any valuable data yet, it might be worth it to start from scratch again and do the setup in a more straightforward order
[05:49] <balz> reinstall you mean?
[05:49] <Greybeard> I don't know the nature of the problem, but a number of people on the list mentioned it going away after restarting things or running mythtv or doing other things to the database
[05:50] <Greybeard> only reinstall the MythTV MySQL database
[05:50] <balz> yeah that's cool
[05:50] <balz> everything else like MCEUSB will be intact?
[05:50] <Greybeard> yeah, it should be
[05:51] <balz> alright let's do it =)
[05:51] <Greybeard> "sudo aptitude purge mysql-server-5.0 mythtv-database" should wipe it out I think
[05:52] <Greybeard> after doing that, make sure nothing's in /var/lib/mysql
[05:52] <Greybeard> then do "sudo aptitude install mythtv-database"
[05:56] <balz> done
[05:56] <Greybeard> so, mythtv-database recreated the database from scratch?
[05:56] <balz> Greybeard:  is that it?
[05:56] <balz> seems like it. it even asked me if other frontends were going to exist
[05:56] <Greybeard> then, you'll need to run mythtv-setup to set up the tuner and listing source
[05:57] <Greybeard> this time, try to do it in order from top to bottom
[05:57] <Greybeard> I have no idea if that matters, but it might
[05:57] <balz> mythtv-setup command not found...
[05:57] <Greybeard> ok, it must have been uninstalled too
[05:57] <balz> ugh...
[05:58] <balz> aptitude install mythtv-setup?
[05:58] <Greybeard> sudo aptitude install mythtv should pull everything in
[05:58] <Greybeard> "sudo aptitude install mythtv"
[05:58] <balz> yeah that seems to have done it
[06:00] <thatdood> using mythbuntu 8.04.1, will installing the svn version of mythtv break anything?
[06:00] <balz> okay. start the frontend now?
[06:00] <Greybeard> quite possibly
[06:01] <Greybeard> yeah, if everything in mythtv-setup is done
[06:01] <Greybeard> it already did mythfilldatabase
[06:01] <Greybeard> ?
[06:01] <Greybeard> only run SVN if you're willing to spend a lot of time
[06:01] <thatdood> lovely
[06:02] <Greybeard> I ran it for a while, but I got tired of how much it took to keep up, so I went back
[06:02] <balz> I really can't start it now...
[06:02] <Greybeard> start what?
[06:02] <balz> the frontend... odd
[06:02] <balz> louist@server:~$ sudo mythfrontend
[06:02] <balz> 2008-08-19 01:02:07.524 Using runtime prefix = /usr, libdir = /usr/lib
[06:02] <balz> 2008-08-19 01:02:08.059 XScreenSaver support enabled
[06:02] <balz> 2008-08-19 01:02:08.059 DPMS is disabled.
[06:02] <balz> 2008-08-19 01:02:08.060 Empty LocalHostName.
[06:02] <balz> 2008-08-19 01:02:08.060 Using localhost value of server
[06:02] <balz> 2008-08-19 01:02:08.074 New DB connection, total: 1
[06:02] <balz> 2008-08-19 01:02:08.074 Unable to connect to database!
[06:02] <balz> 2008-08-19 01:02:08.074 Driver error was [1/2002]:
[06:02] <balz> QMYSQL3: Unable to connect
[06:02] <balz> Database error was:
[06:02] <balz> Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[06:02] <Greybeard> is mysql running?
[06:02] <balz> QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
[06:03] <balz> QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
[06:03] <balz> 2008-08-19 01:02:08.125 DB Error (KickDatabase):
[06:03] <balz> Query was:
[06:03] <balz> SELECT NULL;
[06:03] <balz> No error type from QSqlError?  Strange...
[06:03] <balz> ................................................................................
[06:03] <balz> 2008-08-19 01:02:10.355 UPnPautoconf() - No UPnP backends found
[06:03] <balz> 2008-08-19 01:02:10.355 No UPnP backends found
[06:03] <Greybeard> pgrep -l mysqld
[06:03] <teprrr> erm? pastebin?
[06:03] <balz> 2008-08-19 01:02:10.360 Primary screen 0.
[06:03] <balz> 2008-08-19 01:02:10.360 Using screen 0, 1024x768 at 0,0
[06:03] <balz> 2008-08-19 01:02:10.362 Switching to square mode (blue)
[06:03] <balz> 2008-08-19 01:02:10.414 Using the Qt painter
[06:03] <balz> 2008-08-19 01:02:10.415 lirc init success using configuration file: /home/louist/.mythtv/lircrc
[06:03] <balz> 2008-08-19 01:02:10.416 JoystickMenuClient Error: Joystick disabled - Failed to read /home/louist/.mythtv/joystickmenurc
[06:03] <balz> ooh sorry about that
[06:03] <teprrr> but apparently mysql isn't running, yes
[06:03] <balz> how do i check?
[06:03] <balz> teprrr:  yeah sorry. forgot
[06:03] <Greybeard> nothing will work very well if it can't connect to the database
[06:03] <Greybeard> run /etc/init.d/mysql start
[06:03] <balz> aah. so /etc/init.d/mysql-server start?
[06:03] <balz> gotcha okay
[06:04] <balz> same output
[06:04] <Greybeard> same as what?
[06:04] <balz> the one i just posted
[06:05] <Greybeard> is mysql running now?
[06:05] <balz> i think so. let me check
[06:05] <balz> louist@server:~$ pgrep -l mysqld
[06:05] <balz> 17382 mysqld_safe
[06:05] <balz> 20069 mysqld_safe
[06:05] <balz> 20108 mysqld
[06:05] <balz>  
[06:06] <balz> so yes?
[06:06] <Greybeard> maybe the password didn't get changed
[06:06] <balz> it promted me for a password
[06:06] <balz> a new one
[06:06] <balz> sorry let me rephrase that
[06:06] <Greybeard> try connecting with "mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg"
[06:06] <balz> when i installed myth, it asked me to define a password
[06:07] <balz> access denied for user mythtv@localhost password=yes
[06:07] <balz> the user should be louist though
[06:07] <Greybeard> well, mythtv is probably using the mythtv use
[06:07] <Greybeard> user
[06:08] <balz> how do i fix that?
[06:08] <Greybeard> "/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt" holds the values MythTV uses
[06:08] <Greybeard> try using those values to connect manually
[06:09] <balz> got it. it's still using the old password
[06:10] <balz> uhh... or not
[06:10] <balz> maybe a complete reinstall is in order...
[06:10] <Greybeard> the mythtv-database package should have created a MySQL user called mythtv
[06:10] <balz> it did
[06:11] <Greybeard> so, can you connect to database mythconverg as user mythtv?
[06:11] <balz> this is the whole error:  ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[06:11] <balz> no... oddly enough
[06:12] <Greybeard> can you connect as the adminstrator?
[06:12] <balz> is my command syntax right?  :   mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg
[06:12] <Greybeard> right
[06:12] <Greybeard> -u mythtv means connect as user mythtv
[06:12] <balz> how would i connect as administrator?
[06:12] <Greybeard> -p means prompt for a password
[06:12] <Greybeard> you mentioned another user name a bit ago, which I assume is your administrator
[06:12] <tgm4883_laptop> -u root
[06:13] <Greybeard> you set a password for root, right?
[06:13] <balz> ooh i was confused.  i was referring to my ubuntu account user name
[06:13] <balz> yes
[06:13] <Greybeard> right, they're completely separate
[06:13] <balz> so afaik there's only one myth user
[06:13] <Greybeard> what's "﻿louist" ?
[06:14] <balz> louist is the login i use for this computer
[06:14] <Greybeard> oh
[06:15] <Greybeard> try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0"
[06:16] <Greybeard> root66
[06:17] <tgm4883_laptop> quick poll.  If you have a script that would periodically run and update your mythvideo (scan for new movies, gather info on them) and it did this automatically.  How often would you want it to run
[06:17] <balz> okay done
[06:17] <Greybeard> so, now you've set a password for the mysql "root" user right?
[06:17] <balz> tgm4883_laptop:  I'd say hourly
[06:18] <balz> Greybeard, yes
[06:18] <Greybeard> now try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database"
[06:18] <tgm4883_laptop> balz, yea I was thinking that too
[06:20] <balz> tgm4883_laptop:  i'd say at least 3 or four times daily, but it depends on how far in advance you tend to download movies
[06:20] <balz> Greybeard, okay doing that now
[06:20] <balz> Greybeard:  server is on localhost?
[06:20] <tgm4883_laptop> balz, i'm thinking hourly.  It will skip movies that you already have info for
[06:21] <Greybeard> yep
[06:21] <Greybeard> if it's a combined machine, it's always localhost
[06:21] <balz> thought so
[06:21] <balz> name of MySQL administrator account... root?
[06:21] <Greybeard> right
[06:22] <balz> Greybeard:  now it's asking me for the administrator account's password... this is where i may have gotten mixed up
[06:22] <Greybeard> ok
[06:22] <balz> is this the password to the mysql database or my username?
[06:22] <balz> as in my ubuntu username, louist
[06:22] <balz> or the one i just defined a second ago?
[06:22] <Greybeard> mysql doesn't know anything about the Ubuntu users
[06:22] <balz> okay
[06:23] <balz> okay done
[06:23] <Greybeard> you should have just given MySQL a new password for administrator
[06:23] <Greybeard> just because the user is called "root" doesn't mean it's the same account as the Ubuntu "root" account
[06:24] <balz> i see. okay
[06:24] <balz> thanks so much for helping me out by the way, i'm sure you're a busy person
[06:24] <Greybeard> yeah, no problem
[06:24] <Greybeard> I do need to go here pretty soon though
[06:25] <balz> haha that's understandable
[06:25] <balz> so from here, mythfill database or that mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg ?
[06:26] <Greybeard> running mysql manually was just to verify the database settings
[06:26] <Greybeard> if mythbackend, mythtv-setup, and mythfrontend can connect to the database, you shouldn't to do anything about it
[06:27] <balz> oh okay. so from here i can just run the frontend?
[06:27] <Greybeard> run mythtv-setup again to make sure those settings are still there
[06:28] <balz> how do i export the display again?
[06:28] <Greybeard> and make sure mythfilldatabase runs before trying TV again
[06:28] <balz> i think i made a syntax error
[06:28] <Greybeard> that should happen after you exit mythtv-setup
[06:28] <balz> sudo export DISPLAY=:0  ?
[06:29] <Greybeard> you don't need to use sudo
[06:30] <balz> I'm getting this:
[06:30] <balz> (zenity:21173): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap",
[06:30] <Greybeard> yeah, ignore it
[06:30] <Greybeard> it's just a warning
[06:30] <Greybeard> Gtk is very noisy
[06:30] <balz> wait got it
[06:30] <balz> no UPnP backends found
[06:31] <Greybeard> yeah, ignore that too
[06:34] <balz> it cannot login to database...
[06:34] <Greybeard> what can't?
[06:34] <balz> mythtv-setup
[06:35] <Greybeard> was a new mythtv user created when you reconfigured mythtv-database
[06:35] <Greybeard> ?
[06:35] <balz> i don't believe so
[06:36] <Greybeard> can you log in as the admin using "mysql -u root -p" ?
[06:37] <balz> yes
[06:37] <balz> i'm in
[06:37] <Greybeard> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/passwords.html
[06:37] <balz> okay
[06:37] <Greybeard> SET PASSWORD FOR 'mythtv'@'%' = PASSWORD('password');
[06:38] <Greybeard> put the new password in the quotes
[06:39] <balz> okay... i got '->' as the output
[06:40] <Greybeard> ok, the password should be changed now
[06:40] <balz> okay
[06:40] <balz> so now i restart mythtv-setup?
[06:40] <Greybeard> make sure the same password you just set is in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[06:42] <balz> how do i exit mysql in the terminal?
[06:42] <Greybeard> \q
[06:43] <balz> it's different...
[06:43] <balz> well different from the one it had me make when i reset mysql a few mintues ago
[06:44] <Greybeard> well, the point is that you just set the password for the mysql user and that password has to be in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[06:44] <Greybeard> it doesn't matter what it used to be; you know what it is now
[06:44] <balz> aaah... okay
[06:44] <balz> jeez i should have been able to figure that out
[06:44] <balz> sorry my head is a freaking strainer sometimes
[06:45] <Greybeard> yeah, it's ok
[06:45] <balz> okay fixed it
[06:45] <Greybeard> so, now mythtv-setup and the rest should be able to connect
[06:46] <balz> still not working... whaat?
[06:46] <balz> it's aksing me a question... "Cannot login to database?"
[06:46] <Greybeard> "ls -lh ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt"
[06:47] <Greybeard> that should be a symbolic link to /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[06:47] <Greybeard> if it's different, that's where the confusion is
[06:48] <balz> mmk i typed it in
[06:49] <Greybeard> does it have an arrow pointing to /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt ?
[06:49] <balz> yes
[06:50] <Greybeard> and you can connect with the mysql command using the username and password in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt?
[06:50] <balz> yes
[06:51] <balz> wait... in that file i have DBUserName=n
[06:51] <balz> and DBPassword=y ... that's it
[06:51] <Greybeard> well, AFAIK the mythtv programs should be looking in either ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt or /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[06:51] <Greybeard> yeah, that needs to be mythtv
[06:52] <balz> and then i have DBName=no and DBType=QMYSQL3
[06:52] <Greybeard> something got confused
[06:52] <Greybeard> DBName should be mythconverg
[06:53] <balz> dbtype okay?  and dbpassword is my password?
[06:53] <Greybeard> I don't know about dbtype
[06:53] <balz> okay
[06:53] <Greybeard> I have DBHostName, DBHostPing, DBUserName, DBPassword in mine
[06:54] <balz> weird
[06:54] <Greybeard> DBHostName=localhost
[06:54] <Greybeard> DBHostPing=no
[06:54] <Greybeard> DBUserName=mythtv
[06:54] <Greybeard> DBName=mythconverg
[06:54] <Greybeard> DBPassword=something
[06:56] <balz> ugh. yeah it's shot
[06:56] <balz> no worries though. i'll just reinstall it
[06:56] <Greybeard> yeah, that might be easier at this point
[06:56] <balz> i have my essential config files backed up (except mysql, of course)
[06:56] <Greybeard> but those values I just gave you should do it
[06:56] <balz> well i'll try that real quick
[06:56] <Greybeard> with your password of course
[06:57] <balz> out of curiostiy, how do you know so much about linux and myth?
[06:57] <Greybeard> just messing around with them for years
[06:58] <balz> well damn. how many years/
[06:58] <Greybeard> I've been using GNU/Linux on and off for about ten years and MythTV for about three
[07:00] <balz> oh wow. yeah that would certainly help
[07:00] <balz> i've been routinely using ubuntu for about 1 year
[07:00] <balz> less actually
[07:00] <Greybeard> ok
[07:00] <balz> i first tooled around with it about 2 years ago
[07:01] <balz> well i'm going to go to bed. thanks a buch for the help
[07:01] <Greybeard> yeah, I hope you can figure it out
[07:01] <balz> it actually did clear a few things up for me, so hopefully round 2 will be a little easier
[07:01] <Greybeard> yeah, sometimes it just takes a couple of tries
[07:01] <balz> yeah i should be able to. at the very least i can store my dvd collection on it, which is cool
[07:02] <Greybeard> yeah, convenient
[07:02] <balz> and if i'm out a hundred bucks for the pvr... well that was part of the risk, you know?
[07:02] <balz> alright. take care, thanks again
[07:02] <Greybeard> yeah, that's not bad
[07:02] <Greybeard> yep, talk to you later
[07:42] <doermann> I installed mythbuntu over Ubuntu 8.04.  I have been having problems with my configuration.  I am trying to setup myth via the frontend.  When I open myth I get the config wizard that first throws an error saying there is no uPnP backend.  It then goes to a database configuration screen.  The database configuration seems pretty straightforward... the server is localhost, port 3306, I created a database called mythconverg, a
[07:42] <doermann> nd I know that I have the right username and password... however when I hit finish it says it cannot ping the address... when I ping localhost from the terminal it works just fine... I'm pretty confused...
[07:47] <liri> again about my issues with the nvidia driver install for my geforce2 mx/mx400 video card
[07:48] <liri> even though I specify nvidia as the driver and add the module "glx" to xorg.conf it seems that Xorg does some probing and concludes the motherboard chipset is Vesa compatible and loads that driver instead of Nvidia
[07:49] <liri> it later complains that it failed to load the GLX extension "compatible nvidia driver for X was not found"
[07:53] <doermann> I have also tried to reconfigure using: sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[07:53] <doermann> sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common on the backend
[08:04] <doermann> Ok... in case anyone is following... I went into phpMyAdmin and made sure the mythconverg database existed and that the user mythtv existed and had the right privileges... when I now try and start the frontend it says "Cannot login to database?"
[08:04] <doermann> Any suggestions?
[08:05] <doermann> Terminal Output:
[08:05] <doermann> No error type from QSqlError?  Strange...
[08:05] <doermann> 2008-08-19 01:04:23.182 Writing settings file /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt
[08:05] <doermann> 2008-08-19 01:04:23.183 Closing DB connection named 'DBManager0'
[08:05] <doermann> 2008-08-19 01:04:23.191 Unable to connect to database!
[08:05] <doermann> 2008-08-19 01:04:23.191 Driver error was [1/2002]:
[08:05] <doermann> QMYSQL3: Unable to connect
[08:06] <doermann> Database error was:
[08:06] <doermann> Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[08:06] <doermann> QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
[08:06] <doermann> QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
[08:06] <doermann> 2008-08-19 01:04:23.241 DB Error (KickDatabase):
[08:06] <doermann> Query was:
[08:06] <doermann> SELECT NULL;
[08:06] <doermann> No error type from QSqlError?  Strange...
[08:06] <doermann> 2008-08-19 01:04:23.292 Cannot login to database?
[08:06] <doermann> 2008-08-19 01:04:23.292 Cannot login to database?
[08:06] <doermann> 2008-08-19 01:04:23.411 Primary screen 0.
[08:06] <doermann> 2008-08-19 01:04:23.411 Using screen 0, 1280x1024 at 0,0
[08:06] <doermann> 2008-08-19 01:04:23.412 Switching to square mode (blue)
[08:06] <doermann> 2008-08-19 01:04:23.446 Using the Qt painter
[08:06] <doermann> mythtv: could not open config file /root/.lircrc
[08:06] <doermann> mythtv: No such file or directory
[08:06] <doermann> 2008-08-19 01:04:23.446 Failed to read lirc config /root/.lircrc for mythtv
[08:06] <doermann> 2008-08-19 01:04:23.447 JoystickMenuClient Error: Joystick disabled - Failed to read /root/.mythtv/joystickmenurc
[08:06] <doermann> 2008-08-19 01:04:23.699 DB Error (Clear setting):
[08:06] <doermann> Query was:
[08:06] <doermann> No error type from QSqlError?  Strange...
[08:06] <doermann> 2008-08-19 01:04:23.700 DB Error (SaveSettingOnHost query failure: ):
[08:06] <doermann> Query was:
[08:06] <doermann> No error type from QSqlError?  Strange...
[08:06] <doermann> 2008-08-19 01:04:49.743 User cancelled database configuration
[08:06] <doermann> 2008-08-19 01:04:49.751 Deleting UPnP client...
[08:06] <doermann> 2008-08-19 01:04:50.161 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.
[08:10] <tgm4883_laptop_> I have a suggestion
[08:11] <tgm4883_laptop_> it's pastebin
[08:11] <tgm4883_laptop_> that dude should try it
[08:11] <tgm4883_laptop> and he should have quit
[08:11] <tgm4883_laptop> cause it makes people like me mad
[08:13] <doermann> Oh... and now that I have restarted my box it is back to the old problem of not being able to ping the server...
[08:14] <doermann> Is this all because I don't have the uPnP backend installed?
[08:15] <doermann> I am using XAMPP by the way (if that makes a difference)
[11:44] <MythbuntuGuest85> hi
[11:46] <MythbuntuGuest85> does anyone know why mythtv comes up with no upnp backend found when i start the backend? iv used the details from the mysql.txt
[11:47] <MythbuntuGuest85> this place is my last hope
[16:14] <Seeker`> tgm4883_laptop: manage to get the password sorted?
[16:36] <tgm4883_laptop> Seeker`, password?
[17:17] <Seeker`> tgm4883_laptop: for the server to upload alpha 5
[17:18] <tgm4883_laptop> Seeker`, ah
[17:18] <tgm4883_laptop> yes, alpha 4 was the one that needed uploading
[17:18] <tgm4883_laptop> we are good now :)
[17:30] <andy_js_> Hi, I'm setting up seperate mythtv frontends and backends.  The backend is on a server and the front ends are on some htpcs.
[17:30] <andy_js_> My question is:  When I "import" a dvd, will it get ripped onto the backend, or locally on the front end?
[17:31] <tgm4883_laptop> andy_js_, IIRC it will get ripped to the local mythvideo directory
[17:31] <tgm4883_laptop> now if that happens to be an NFS share, then it will be on whichever system that share is from
[17:31] <andy_js_> Cheers, that is an excellent point.
[17:32] <andy_js_> That brings me to my second question.  Mythtv supposedly has support for sharing via UPNP.
[17:32] <andy_js_> Is the UPNP server implemented in the backend or frontends.
[17:32] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[17:32] <tgm4883_laptop> backend
[17:33] <andy_js_> (sounds stupid I know, but I just wanted to make sure)
[17:33] <tgm4883_laptop> no question is stupid
[17:33] <tgm4883_laptop> unless i answer it, and you ask it again
[17:33] <andy_js_> :)
[17:33] <tgm4883_laptop> then you feel the wrath of Zinn
[17:34] <andy_js_> And if I record tv using a local tv tuner, that is stored in the backend right?
[17:34] <tgm4883_laptop> yes.....
[17:34] <tgm4883_laptop> note, you can have multiple backends with tuners
[17:34] <tgm4883_laptop> one will be the master
[17:35] <andy_js_> so I can have tuners on the backend machine and the front ends?
[17:35] <tgm4883_laptop> yes, technically you would have a slave backend on your frontend machines as well
[17:36] <andy_js_> This is great for me, I would prefer to just have lots of tuners in the backend.
[17:57] <li__> I have a Geforce2 MX/MX400 video card, I installed nvidia-glx proprietary driver and ran nvidia-xconfig, after which when the LCD screen connected to the VGA port is working FINE (i.e: no problems loading the driver) but when I set it for the SVideo output it won't work - either the driver is not recognized and I get "ubuntu in low-graphics mode" or the screen is blank. any ideas?
[18:15] <Greybeard> what's in the Xorg log when that happens?
[21:45] <liri> after a mythbuntu install, I don't have mythbackend running
[21:46] <liri> as long as the frontend works I don't really care about it but I'd like to enable the telnet interface. is that related to mythtvbackend?