[00:25] is there anyway to send more the just the chnl numbers to the external channel change script, using myth 8.04? [00:26] what do you want to send? [00:26] anykey would work really [00:27] i have a disntnet stb and somtime it gets stuck on a non channel, and only chnl up or down get u out of it [00:30] you can peridiocally sent other stuff over the irblaster [00:31] well i could also use irexec, but i have two dishnet stb's connected so it wouldnt know what lirc remote command to send [00:32] unless there is a way (veriable) i could see within a sh script? [00:32] so you would send + channel up? [00:32] does that make sense? [00:33] your remote needs a shift button ;) [00:33] maybe + , but that's probably useless if it doesn't switch the channel [00:33] or just send channel up and then send channel number [00:33] no i would call the menu, then change chnl to a known good chnl, then send select [00:33] you can hack your channel changer script to do that [00:34] eg do your stuff first then send channel number [00:34] well the script never receives anything but chnl numbers, no keys [00:34] when trying to setup mythtv backend setup i am getting a "cannot login to database?" error message. anyone know a solution for this? [00:35] Egghead2, he is saying that it would always do said command [00:35] ahhh, hmmmmm [00:36] i dont want to do the same command on every chnl change, but only when myth screws up and puts me on a chnl that dish isnt using [00:37] Guest93: it could be an incorrect password or username [00:37] when that happens the only way to continue is either chnl up or chnl down, or menu (all dishnetwork commands) [00:38] i am using the default username and password [00:38] the MySQL connection parameters are in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt [00:39] I don't think there is one default password [00:39] AFAIK, it's generated randomly [00:39] i mean the generated password [00:39] can you connect using the mysql command? [00:39] first check that mysqld is actually running [00:40] pgrep -l mysqld [00:41] i typed that command it says 4796 mysqld_safe [00:41] 4838 mysqld [00:41] so, it's running [00:41] mysql -u mysql -p will try to connect [00:42] you'll have to type the password [00:44] hello everyone. Im thinking of getting this. http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1800mckit.html Does mythbuntu support both analog and digital signals? [00:45] http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1800 [00:46] no to NTSC currently [00:47] says error 1045 (28000): access denied for user 'mysql'@'localhost' (using password:YES) [00:48] Greybeard: is that a good all around card? [00:48] I have no idea [00:48] MythbuntuGuest93: sorry, the command you need to try is "mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg" [00:49] mysql and mythtv both start with "my" so I get them confused [00:49] would you recommend mythtv/mythbuntu for a mcpc? [00:49] or beyondtv/sagetv? [00:49] the HVR-1800 definitely isn't a good choice for NTSC, since it doesn't work on Linux yet [00:50] but, people shouldn't be buying new equipment for NTSC anyway [00:50] yeah but Ive got cable and stuff. [00:50] not the NTSC analog [00:50] gerybeard: nope still same error [00:50] and I'm not paying extra for "HD" channels. [00:50] MythbuntuGuest93: it sounds like you don't have the right password [00:51] so, will or wont it work? [00:51] zelda1: I'm not sure what you're asking [00:51] greybeard: im asking would I be better off going with the 1600 then? [00:52] greybeard: i am typing in the generated password [00:52] well, for some reason, it doesn't seem to like the password [00:53] i just changed the password and still does not work [00:53] how did you change the password? [00:54] http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 indicates the driver is of beta quality, so that's probably not a great choice either [00:54] hey greybeard: In mythbuntu, can I select what I want the video to encode to? I.e mpeg2, mkv, iso, avi, etc? [00:54] you mean for transcoding? [00:55] greybeard: sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database [00:55] internal MythTV transcoding is limited [00:55] yeah, did that fix the database problem? [00:55] the internal MythTV transcoding seems to only produce either NUV container files or MPEG Program Streams [00:56] I'm using mencoder to transcode video to H.264 and mkvmerge to create Matroska MKV files [00:57] btw, I'm using one each of the http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Air2PC cards [00:57] greybeard: thanks for your help anyway [00:58] the older design tends to have more trouble receiving some stations [00:58] sure [00:58] you might want to get rid of all mysql databases and then install mythtv-database again [00:59] hrm. [01:00] so what in your opinion is a good all around capture carD? [01:00] "sudo aptitude purge mysql-server-5.0 mythtv-database" should get rid of everything [01:00] if by "all around" you mean able to receive both NTSC and ATSC, then I don't know [01:00] I have one system with two ATSC receivers and one with two NTSC receivers [01:00] well transcoding. which is the best [01:01] depends on the source [01:01] well im trying to build a Media center box/tivo/nas [01:01] and where you live, etc [01:01] zelda, are you talking about receiver hardware, or software transcoding? [01:01] digital receiver hardware doesn't do any encoding or decoding [01:02] some analog receiver cards encode to MPEG2 [01:02] well, then software.. I want the tv I record to be put in like mp4 or mp2 [01:02] I have a system with one PVR-350 and one PVR-150 that each encode from cable [01:02] instead of this weird file i cant convert [01:03] if MPEG streams come from the hardware, that's what MythTV records [01:03] the main reason I was looking at that hvr1800 is cause its got digital/analog/fm on it and IR [01:03] on my system with PVR-x50s, it records MPEG Program Streams and on my machine with ATSC receivers, it records MPEG Transport Streams [01:03] well, the hvr1800 is a bad choice for use on Linux unless you don't care about analog NTSC [01:04] well I have a cable box it would hookup to. [01:04] Dish/DirecTV boxes. [01:04] how would it hook up to those? [01:05] referring to NTSC or ASTC? [01:05] well, it could be Firewire for all I know [01:05] coaxial [01:06] I assume you mean NTSC modulated RF signal [01:06] like any other PVR/DVR [01:06] http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_pvr500mckit.html is probably closer to what you want [01:06] no not rf modulated [01:06] so, composite video? [01:07] well the cards dont have composite inputs. [01:07] so rf-36 [01:08] the standard cabling. [01:08] well damn, how bout i tell you what I want to accomplish, and you tell me the best fit [01:10] I have a PVR-150 that definitely has RF, S-Video, and RCA composite video ins [01:10] I'm not entirely sure about the PVR-500 [01:11] they're very similar, but the PVR-150 has one tuner/capture device and the PVR-500 has two [01:11] well Im trying to build a PVR/DVR [01:11] it seems you've come to the right place [01:11] LOL [01:11] but that isnt the only thing I want it to do. [01:12] which is fine. [01:12] it looks like the PVR-500 has one RCA composite video in and one S-Video in, but I'm not sure if they go to the same or different capture devices [01:14] Im looking for a tv capture card that will work capture the cable boxes coaxial signal. That well encode the things i record in smaller files. Something like mpeg2/mp4/avi or something so that I can easily take those and reencode them. [01:14] and I want to be able to record 2 channels at once. [01:14] all of the PVR-x50 encode to MPEG Program Streams with MPEG2 video and MPEG audio AFAIK [01:15] http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-500 says that there is one set of inputs on the back and another on headers on the card [01:15] there may be cheaper ones than the Hauppauge ones though [01:15] ok so, does youre 350 work ok? [01:15] yeah, both the 350 and 150 work great [01:16] for display on an analog TV, the PVR-350 is about the best quality you can get IMHO [01:17] well i use LCD TV. I dont have HD coming in from the cable but will that 350 record really good quailty? [01:17] both the 350 and 150 have configurable bitrates, so you can make it as high or low as you want [01:17] if you don't need output, the 150 is quite a bit cheaper [01:17] it may even be hard to find 350s any more [01:18] if you want higher compression with good quality, you probably want a device that encodes to MPEG-4 video [01:18] which is something the 350 cant do. [01:19] no, the x50s all encode MPEG2 video [01:19] Im going to be using a 250gb drive. [01:19] why? [01:19] why not? [01:19] get a 500 at least [01:19] really? [01:19] more is always better [01:19] if you're getting one new, 500s are a lot better value [01:19] the TIVO ones have 160gb in there. [01:20] ok. [01:20] I built a system a couple of years ago for my brother's family [01:20] it has a 250GiB drive and one PVR-350 and one PVR-150 [01:20] so in other words, im stuck not using mythbuntu for the mcpc os [01:20] it has enough storage for them AFAIK [01:20] you are? [01:21] well what is a good card that will encode mp4? [01:21] I don't have any experience with those [01:21] Greybeard, IIRC that is not the consensus among most pvr-350 users [01:21] what isn't? [01:21] for display on an analog TV, the PVR-350 is about the best quality you can get IMHO [01:22] well, I don't know what other people are saying, but the video quality is very good [01:22] From what I've seen, most people don't even bother with it [01:23] well then whats a good recommendation? [01:23] I don't have an analog TV, so I don't personally have any use for PVR-350s, but for that situation, it's a good choice [01:23] They do have that standalone hdpvr that encodes h.264 [01:23] zelda1 isn't using an analog TV, so a PVR-350 wouldn't be a good choice [01:24] also, if you are looking for the PVR cards, you will need to go to ebay as they are EOL [01:24] so, they might be cheap! [01:24] could be [01:25] hrm. [01:27] also the HDPVR isn't well supported yet [01:27] but it's getting there [01:28] http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Mpeg_encoder_capture_cards has several cards [01:29] http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Plextor_ConvertX has a wide variety of encoding options [01:32] yeah but those record in mpeg2 [01:32] did you read about the Plextor_ConvertX? [01:33] btw, MythTV has always supported software encoding [01:34] it originally worked only with simple capture cards and encoded the video in software [01:35] yeah reading some wiki on it. [01:35] the main advantage of a hardware encoder is to take load of the CPU, but that's less of an issue now than five years ago or more [01:35] I also want to be able to play mp3 and burn dvds with the recorded stuff. MythTV will do that right? [01:36] Well Im going to be using that on a p4 2.6 system. [01:36] 2gb ram [01:36] with a modern dual-core CPU, you could probably encode great quality H.264 in real time if you wanted [01:36] at least MPEG4 ASP [01:36] zelda1, what do you want to record to? [01:36] what do you mean? [01:36] what format [01:37] well the smallest poss. so mabe mp4/avi or something. [01:37] er maybe [01:37] h.264 [01:37] theres only one that will encode directly to that [01:37] the HDPVR [01:37] I don't think MythTV can encode H.264 yet, though it can do MPEG4 ASP [01:37] I want to be able to put a ton of stuff on there without having to get 1TB drives. [01:38] that cpu wont cut h264 [01:38] not in HD at least [01:38] might not even cut it in SD [01:38] of course not [01:38] were talking about SD [01:39] yeah well, I dont mind SD thats fine. Its the format encoding too. [01:40] I found SageTV and BeyondTV [01:40] mencoder can transcode 720P MPEG2 to H.264 720P@29.97 on my Athlon64 X2 5700 in near real time [01:40] zelda1: you can always use ffmpeg to transcode to whatever you want [01:41] Greybeard: giving it both cores? [01:41] partly [01:41] the encoder can't quite fill both up, but mostly [01:41] how do you know its near real time? [01:41] well Im talking on a single core p4 [01:42] ffmpeg tends to lose sync when the recording is damaged, so I'm using mencoder, which doesn't seem to have that problem [01:42] and you're also talking about much lower resolution [01:42] yeah like 480 [01:42] interesting, I haven't had problems with ffmpeg, but I've only used for portable devices only at this point [01:42] p at most. [01:43] I can tell it's nearly real time because the total time to transcode a recording is similar to the playtime [01:43] ah ok [01:43] SageTV will encode to h.264. directly [01:43] mencoder constantly reports frame rates and estimated time remaining [01:43] zelda1: you can setup a user job to do all of that for you [01:43] once it is done recording, encode then remove the old [01:46] to do what? [01:46] look at beyondTV. it does what I want it to do. [01:46] make h.264's out of your recording [01:46] ok, then use that [01:46] yeah but I dont want to pay the 150 for the software [01:47] then setup a user job to do the exact same thing [01:47] I don't think encoding to H.264 is as that terribly important [01:47] * tgm4883_laptop sighs [01:48] well if thats the smallest, then its good so I can put more on the HDD> [01:48] and h.264 is ipod, and iphone. blackberry compatible. [01:48] to fit on those it has to be pretty small, doesn't it? [01:48] do you want that reduced quality for TV watching? [01:48] is there a program out there that will automatically encode from mpeg2 to mpeg4 or h.264 [01:48] ? [01:49] yes [01:49] many [01:49] mythexport [01:49] just set up a user job for it [01:49] that will do it? [01:49] nuvexport is the main one for MythTV [01:49] nuvexport is designed to produce formats for iPods and similar devices [01:50] well then why not use mythtv with that software that will do that on the fly and delete the old software. [01:50] er old recording so I dont have to mess with it. [01:50] why not indeed! [01:50] can you do that? [01:50] mythexport does it, but is geared towards portable devices (ipod, psp, zune, etc) [01:50] again im running that on a older p4 2.6 [01:50] AFAIK, it doesn't do it on the fly [01:51] http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexport [01:51] in theory you could just use it and pump up the specs for non portable, but I haven't had much feedback saying that works or doesn't [01:51] zelda1: thats exactly what I was saying to do, with a user job [01:51] then it will happen on each recording and you won't need to do a thing [01:52] well I still want to be able to watch them on the lcd tv, and when I can transfer the file to portables. [01:52] kinda hard to have one that is good enough at both [01:52] so, you can have MythTV encode to NuppelVideo in software or use a PVR-x50 to record MPEG2 files [01:52] then, the jobs can transcode to other formats [01:52] will either suck on your lcd, or be too big for your portable [01:53] I just have multiple copies when thats the case, one for ipod and one for mythtv still [01:53] that's why I don't think the PVR needs H.264 as badly as the portable devices do [01:53] working on the script to keep those portable files in check right now :) [01:53] if you only want the smaller, lower quality files, you can just discard the originals [01:53] Greybeard: I don't even like doing h264 on there, it takes forever to make them [01:53] gotta compress so much and all [01:53] well I dont. MP4 would be fine. [01:53] ya mpeg4 works really well [01:54] I can get what 720i/p on those? [01:54] rhpot1991: what kinds of rates of h.264 encoding do you get? [01:54] zelda1: you said you'd have NTSC inputs, which is about 480i [01:54] Greybeard: I don't claim to be an encoding expert, I've done most of my research based on things I read to have work on devices [01:55] well yeah its NTSC. But its coming from Dish. [01:55] Greybeard: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythexport/trunk/annotate/10?file_id=mythexport-20080624051109-qq0w7i23958bzezo-3 [01:55] I dont have HD from there yet. [01:56] is mythexport related to nuvexport? [01:56] how many MB does a normal 30min show take? [01:56] encoded by what? [01:56] mp4. [01:56] or mp2 [01:57] using a PVR-x50, pretty good quality is obtained from about 1GiB/hr [01:57] Greybeard: I let the users pass whatever bitrate they want into it, so it all depends, my userjob is setup to do 600kb [01:57] my 30 min shows are about 1.1GB [01:58] rhpot1991: you said encoding to H.264 took forever, so I was wondering how much slower than real time it was [01:59] what is the command to bring up the mythbuntu backend config? [01:59] most of the backend configuration is in mythtv-setup [01:59] some is in mythfrontend, though [02:03] ok, so I can still get mythTV, and get extra software that will reencode the mp2 to like mp4 or h.264 that woudl be better right? That would be good quality using a 720p TV? [02:03] greybeard: thanks! if i run that from an ssh in another box, that should show up on my tv then, right? [02:03] I can't read the normal xfce menus on my tv... [02:03] if you're recording from an NTSC signal, it won't ever be close to 720p [02:03] in quality [02:03] Greybeard: yeah i've noticed [02:04] balz: you need to run mythtv-setup? [02:04] if the TV's too fuzzy, you might want to forward the X connection over SSH to your desktop or laptop or whatever [02:04] Greybeard: Yes. I need to try switching my channel table because I can't change channels from an analog cable feed in myth [02:04] or use VNC [02:04] well even 480i/p is decent quality [02:04] it's all relative [02:05] hrm. Ill hit up ebay for a pvr350 [02:05] 480p movies on DVD can look very good, but I've never seen close to the same quality from TV [02:05] zelda1: if you aren't using an analog TV, a PVR-350 isn't for you [02:06] if you only want to record NTSC, get a PVR-150 or a PVR-500 [02:06] In fact, does anybody know why I'm not able to change channels from within myth? I have a pvr-150 an an analog cable feed going in [02:06] well? [02:06] connected to the coaxial RF input? [02:07] what happens when you try to change channels? [02:07] Greybeard: nothing. i've tried with my remote and the keyboard [02:07] and yes, it's connected to the coaxial input [02:07] zelda1, well? [02:07] I can get channels 2-9 by hitting the number buttons on the remote, but that's it [02:07] you mean nothing is displayed when you push up or down? [02:08] obviously tv isnt going to compare to DVD. But 480i/p is ok. Id prefer 720i/p but on an LCD? [02:08] so you are able to change channels then [02:08] no. i mean it just won't change the channel. it stays on whatever channel it was on [02:08] ok [02:08] Greybeard: yes, but only 2-9 using the numbers on the remote [02:08] neither the keyboard nor the remote can change go through channels up or down [02:08] so, up and down don't work, but the digits do? [02:08] zelda1, i'm confused, are you saying you want to record the 480i signal, then convert it to 720p? [02:09] yeah, I'm still trying to figure out what zelda1 wants too [02:09] no. I have a 720p LCD TV [02:09] Greybeard: yes. I suppose that's a much less convoluted way of sayign it=) [02:09] I have dish. [02:09] I don't think I've seen that problem before [02:10] you should look at the backend log [02:10] how would I access that? [02:10] can i pastebin it for you to look at? i wouldn't even know where to start [02:10] Im going to capture 720p [02:10] it's usually in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log [02:10] sure, paste away [02:11] zelda1: how are you going to capture 720p with a composite video input? [02:13] well wtf then? composite is 480i/p? [02:13] ugh PuTTY is a b*tch to cut and paste with... [02:13] zelda1, your not capturing 720p video. You can capture 480i though and it will look quite nice coming from a digital source [02:13] yes composite (and svideo) arae 480i [02:13] composite video from an NTSC source is pretty much 480i [02:13] s/arae/are [02:13] ok, then thats what im going to record in [02:14] zelda1, what tv do you have [02:14] so, what were discussing earlier is that that signal is never going to look as good as true 720p on a 720p LCD TV [02:14] cause i'm assuming that is the question, how to get your signal there from the computer [02:15] balz: Putty has several options for clipboard behavior [02:15] its a samsung 32" LCD [02:15] zelda1, model number [02:15] Greybeard: I shoud look into those... [02:15] anyway, here it is: http://pastebin.com/mddf5cf9 [02:16] ln t3242h [02:16] I don't see anything related to tuning there [02:16] Greybeard: I wrote mythexport, modified from ipodexport that someone else wrote [02:17] you may need to start mythbackend with "-v channel" [02:17] Greybeard: wait no... i'm missing like half of it [02:17] ok [02:17] hang on. sorry. stupid PuTTY lol [02:17] on Ubuntu, /etc/default/mythtv-backend has options for starting mythbackend [02:18] zelda1, why don't you use the vga in ? [02:18] Greybeard: how can I select the entire log file to be copied? I can only hilight what is immediately visible in the window... which isn't much [02:19] http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/Samsung-LN-T3242H.htm [02:19] email might be the easiest way [02:19] thats not going to be 720 [02:19] Greybeard: took my 5000+ x2 about 8 mins to do a 30 min SD recording, using a single core IIRC [02:19] in xvid [02:19] balz, i'd do the "-X -Y" switch and use gedit [02:19] yeah, that's not bad [02:20] zelda1, wtf? [02:20] h264 takes a lot longer though [02:20] tgm4883_laptop: I'm on a windows client here [02:20] balz, try it anyway? [02:20] tgm4883_laptop: and what do you mean by -x and -y switch? [02:20] copy the log file to your local machine and then you can open it with Wordpad or something [02:20] balz, do "ssh ip -X -Y" [02:21] i'm not entirely sure how putty works though [02:21] but that won't work out of the box on Winders [02:21] Greybeard: forgive my utter n00b-ness. what's the c ommand to copy the file to the windows client? [02:21] zelda1, do you know what 720p is? [02:21] nothing to forgive [02:21] tgm4883_laptop: thanks. will try in a sec [02:21] putty does have an scp command, but WinSCP might be easier [02:22] http://winscp.net/eng/download.php [02:22] WinSCP uses the SCP and SFTP protocols that are part of SSH, so if you can connect with Putty, you should be able to transfer files with WinSCP [02:23] zelda1, i'm going to eat, but wikipedia it [02:23] yeah its 720x1280 [02:23] specifically, 720p means 720 lines of resolution in a progressive frame [02:23] the image is usually 1280 rows across [02:24] yeah i know taht [02:24] thats basic. [02:24] and its progressive [02:25] Greybeard: that's a cool little tool! [02:25] yeah, Putty and WinSCP can make Windows bearable [02:26] Greaybeard: lol. well put. Anyway, here's the pastebined file: http://pastebin.com/mdcfa769 [02:26] well cause one of the tvs im using doesnt have vga port on it. [02:26] ok, it looks like some database problems, rather than hardware [02:26] Greybeard: this is good news =) [02:27] have you been able to run mythtv-setup? [02:27] ah let me do that real quick [02:27] hmm i just got a gtk warning: cannot open display [02:27] since you're on Windows, VNC might be useful for that, though it's one more little thing to download [02:28] oh okay. now what is vnc exactly? i've heard the name before [02:28] all X programs need to have the DISPLAY variable set [02:28] if you connect by ssh, the variable won't be set [02:28] use a command like "export DISPLAY=:0" [02:28] then run mythtv-setup [02:29] http://www.tightvnc.com/ [02:29] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130178 thats the System Bord [02:29] er board [02:29] Greybeard: i do this after installing VNC? [02:29] if you can see mythtv-setup on the TV, you don't need VNC [02:29] are you able to use it there? [02:30] yeah. xprop: unable to open display [02:30] balz: did you run "export DISPLAY=:0" ? [02:30] yeah... oh you know what? i didn't use caps [02:31]