[00:28] <zul> tacone: yep
[00:28] <tacone> nothing, I wrote to you on the ml, about the apache thingie.
[00:29] <tacone> I am not anymore sure it wasn't our fault though.
[02:21] <vladdY> can someone help to install ubuntu server with software raid1 please
[02:21] <vladdY> i still couldnt do it, after 6+ hours
[02:22] <wantok> took me a while to figure out too.
[02:23] <vladdY> is there any tutorial/guide, im kinda linux noob too "/
[02:23] <wantok> on help.ubuntu.com is the server guide
[02:24] <vladdY> i looked but there's nothing on Raid1
[02:24] <wantok> different raids use all the same steps
[02:24] <wantok> just you need to seelct raid1 not raid[other] at the right moment
[02:26] <sommer> vladdY: you can try the instructions in the develpment version of the serverguide: http://doc.ubuntu.com/~mdke/test/serverguide/C/advanced-installation.html
[02:28] <vladdY> sommer: this is very useful link, thanks
[02:29] <sommer> vladdY: cool, if you have any feedback concerning the guide please let me know
[02:33] <jmedina> sommer: did you write the kerberos section?
[02:33] <sommer> jmedina: yeppers
[02:33] <sommer> it's new for intrepid as well
[02:34] <jmedina> sommer: you know how easy is use openldap as a database backend for MIT?
[02:34] <jmedina> I've been working with heimdall and I think it is best documented, and afaik, samba4 works with heimdall
[02:34] <sommer> jmedina: I haven't actually done that yet, but it's on my todo list if there's time
[02:35] <sommer> jmedina: from the quick look I took at it a while back, it doesn't seem too complicated
[02:35]  * jmedina hates time
[02:35] <sommer> jmedina: add the schema file, add the kerberos attributes to the users, configure the kdc to use ldap... boom :)
[02:36] <jmedina> sommer: pretty easy....
[02:36] <jmedina> :P
[02:36] <sommer> well in theory, heh
[02:38] <jmedina> the instructions for heimdal http://www.h5l.org/manual/heimdal-1-2-branch/info/heimdal.html#Using-LDAP-to-store-the-database
[02:38] <jmedina> sommer: any reason to choose mit?
[02:40] <sommer> jmedina: mit is in main... so for the "official" docs we try to stick to packages in main, where possible anyway
[02:40] <sommer> jmedina: I did some testing with heimdal, it is slightly simpler to setup and configure
[02:41] <jmedina> ok
[02:53] <vladdY> sommer: thanks again for that link, it helped a  lot, i think i got it running
[02:53] <vladdY> is there any easier way to test to make sure it works other than unplugging hd from motherboard :)
[03:22] <vladdY> hm, raid1 ubuntu server won't start if i unplug one of the hard drives, computer is stuck in "verifying DMI pool data"
[03:32] <vladdY> hm, i know im probably boring but have to ask
[03:32] <vladdY> how can i Setup so that the other partition(disk) is bootable too using ubuntu server on raid1
[03:33] <sommer> vladdY: are you running hardy?
[03:33] <vladdY> 8.04
[03:33] <vladdY> i honestly dont know which version is that
[03:33] <sommer> vladdY: 8.04 is the latest... this howto may help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
[03:34] <sommer> vladdY: you can probably start at the "Adding GRUB to 2nd drive" section
[03:35] <sommer> the issue is being worked on for Intrepid, so in the future you won't have to go through the extra steps
[03:37] <vladdY> sommer: thanks again :)
[03:38] <vladdY> so, if I disconnect one hd, it should run from another one, correct or is there something I have to do (restore mbr or....)
[03:39] <sommer> vladdY: I guess, once you've installed grub on the second hard drive and added the script to the initramfs, it should work fine
[03:40] <sommer> vladdY: I've never actually used those instructions, so it's probably a good idea to test things before putting the machine into production
[03:40] <vladdY> sommer: ok, thank you very much for all your help
[03:41] <sommer> vladdY: np
[03:55] <nodoubt> why would ports.conf in etc/apache2 be empty in pico/vi but have data/characters in the file when opened in desktop environment gedit??
[04:06] <michalski> does anyone know where i can find iptables config?
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[07:39] <maswan> Do I win a prize for storing ~56k copies of ubuntu-8.04.1-server-amd64.iso in a tape library? :)
[07:39] <maswan> just in case it gets lost, I mean
[08:13] <kraut> moin
[12:56] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #259363 in apache2 (main) "Need to source envvars before being able to use 'apache2' binary." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259363
[13:14] <trentster> hey all, I have the strangest problem, having extremely poor network performance slowdown when copying to an NFS NAS volume, will get a peak of 20-30MBps then almost no activity for about 40 seconds then another little peak. I have tried putting in an intel pro1000 network card, cable change etc, still same problem. However if I boot off the live cd and try the same thing I get a sustained 55MBps working perfectly....any i
[13:14] <trentster> deas?
[13:17] <thefish> trentster: you boot the client that is copying the data with livecd, or the server? maybe compare nfs client versions and options?
[13:18] <trentster> thefish, the client I booted the livecd on.
[13:19] <trentster> the server is actually a dedicated NAS appliance server
[13:20] <thefish> i guess you mount the nfs dir and then copy? maybe the mount options are a bit different? or the client version?
[13:21] <trentster> naah the mount options are identical
[13:21] <trentster> I think the versions of nfs are the same as well, I will double check..
[13:21] <trentster> I think something else on the machine is interfering with it.
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[13:34] <thefish> trentster: what are you using for the copy? just cp?
[13:35] <trentster> thefish, yes
[13:35] <trentster> just cp
[13:36] <thefish> trentster: sorry, not sure - i have seen it where a gui file manager eg nautilus will be really slow, and cp will be fast
[13:36] <thefish> no iptables or anything like that?
[13:37] <trentster> thefish, no iptables
[13:37] <trentster> its a very strange one
[13:38] <thefish> have you seen http://www.unix.com.ua/orelly/networking_2ndEd/nfs/ch18_01.htm
[13:38] <thefish> maybe some bits in there that could help
[13:39] <thefish> please say what fixes it ;)
[13:41] <trentster> thefish, thanks I will let you know......I am busy getting ready to test via FTP to see if its def NFS related only or a general problem.
[13:41] <thefish> fair enough
[13:43] <trentster> wow, its slow on ftp as well getting 6MBps
[13:43] <trentster> it starts off super fast 50MBPS for 3-4 secs.....then slow....allmost like a buffering problem or something.
[13:46] <ogra> did you check your NIC with mii-diag ? on both setups you test ?
[13:47] <ogra> migh be that one runs in full and the other in half duplex
[13:51] <trentster> thanks for the help guys, gonna reboot and try continue troubleshooting
[14:32] <cxo_> erichammond1, so dist-upgrade = kernel upgrade?
[14:57] <kirkland> zul: do you have time today to sponsor some init script changes?
[14:57] <kirkland> zul: the status action stuff
[14:58] <zul> kirkland: sure
[14:59] <zul> kirkland: just send me the list and I will get to them today sometime
[14:59] <kirkland> zul: okay, will do
[15:01] <thefish> !seen [diablo]
[15:01] <ubottu> I have no seen command
[15:01] <thefish> bugger
[15:32] <nealmcb> Server team meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 30 minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[15:32] <nealmcb> There is still time to propose another item for discussion....
[15:34] <Oliber> will there be tea and coffee?
[15:34]  * Oliber runs away ;)
[15:35] <nealmcb> Oliber: Yes - but it will be distributed tea and coffee - just like our source control :)
[15:35] <ScottK-laptop> The good news is the Ubuntu wiki is so slow if makes bzr feel fast in comparison.
[15:35] <nealmcb> with pockets of milk, cookies, water and other beverages that fit the local culture and timezone
[15:36] <soren> ScottK-laptop: You think? Hm... It feels pretty snappy to me.
[15:37] <ScottK-laptop> Which the wiki or bzr?
[15:37] <soren> I mean the wiki.
[15:37] <ScottK-laptop> I'm editing.
[15:38] <soren> editmoin or web?
[15:38] <ScottK-laptop> Web.
[15:38] <soren> Ah. Wouldn't know about that.
[15:38]  * soren <3 editmoin
[15:39] <ScottK-laptop> Well right now every time I go to the meeting page it wants me to login.
[15:39] <ScottK-laptop> I login and it takes me to the main page.
[15:39] <ScottK-laptop> I go to the meeting page it wants me to login.
[15:39] <ScottK-laptop> Rinse repeat.
[15:39] <soren> Which browser?
[15:39] <ScottK-laptop> So it's faster now.
[15:39] <ScottK-laptop> Konqueror.
[15:40]  * ScottK-laptop tries another one.
[15:41] <ScottK-laptop> Works in Firefox.
[16:13] <zul> nijaba: mirror?
[16:13] <kirkland> nijaba: i added the debconf entry to mdadm, at "medium" priority.  this will not popup during the installer, and will set the default to "no"
[16:14] <kirkland> nijaba: it would be trivial to raise the priority to make it popup the question, however, that might need more of a consensus
[16:14] <kirkland> nijaba: i would be very much in favor of that
[16:14] <kirkland> nijaba: but i left that part of the patch for later, so as not to embargo the rest of the functionality
[16:15] <nijaba> kirkland: my question was more whether the default Raid1 install would duplicate /boot on both disk now
[16:16] <kirkland> nijaba: oh, the MBR ... yes, it should
[16:16] <nijaba> kirkland: great
[16:16] <kirkland> nijaba: the code is there, but it hasn't made it into an ISO yet, so I haven't tested it
[16:16] <kirkland> nijaba: I tested it "by hand", but not "by ISO"  :-)
[16:16] <nijaba> kirkland: let me know when it is there, I'll give it a go as well
[16:16] <ScottK-laptop> arakthor: Let me get you some links.
[16:16] <arakthor> ScottK-laptop, ok
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[16:18] <ScottK-laptop> arakthor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClamavSpamassassinInMain is the basic spec that lists the MIR that need to be done.
[16:19] <arakthor> what is a MIR?
[16:19] <soren> MainInclusionReport
[16:19] <ScottK-laptop> Main Inclusion Report.
[16:19] <ScottK-laptop> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess describes the process.
[16:19] <leonel> ScottK-laptop: as I've told you some time ago I'd like to  do the  clamav MIR   is there a deadline time  to do so ??
[16:19] <ScottK-laptop> This is how we get stuff 'promoted' to be supported.
[16:20] <ScottK-laptop> leonel: We need it approved prior to Aug 29.
[16:20] <ScottK-laptop> This would be a good time to work on them.
[16:20] <ScottK-laptop> arakthor: Were you interested in Spamassassin too or just Clamav?
[16:20] <leonel> wow 10 days
[16:20] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.
[16:20]  * ScottK-laptop notes he's been asking for help for weeks.
[16:20] <arakthor> ehm, either or. I'm more interested in lending a hand and seeing how it goes
[16:21] <ScottK-laptop> arakthor: OK.  The Spamassassin ones are almost all Perl modules.  They tend to be relatively easy.
[16:21] <ScottK-laptop> And leonel is going to work on clamav anyway.
[16:21] <arakthor> alright
[16:21] <ScottK-laptop> arakthor and leonel: Please mark in the wiki what you are working on so there is no duplication of effort.
[16:22] <arakthor> ScottK, alright. I will probably use another handle, kstewart, because I have it registered on launchpad ettc.
[16:22] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[16:22] <leonel> ScottK-laptop: ok
[16:23] <ScottK-laptop> I need to leave in about 5 minutes, so if you have questions, please ask them now.  I'll be back in a few hours.
[16:23] <ScottK-laptop> I'm glad to review work in progress or answer questions.
[16:23] <leonel> ScottK-laptop: will you be online tomorrow ?
[16:23] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.  Most of the day.
[16:23] <leonel> ScottK-laptop: ok I'll contact you
[16:24] <arakthor> no questions atm, thanks.
[16:25] <ScottK-laptop> Great.
[17:04] <byte_slave> hi everyone!
[17:04] <byte_slave> anyone here using heirloom.mailx the new "nail" to send emails from command line / cron?
[17:07] <byte_slave> i've a script that executes "nail command" with no problem via commandline but via cron the email just doesn't go to the destiny recipients, and it produces the dead.letter
[17:07] <byte_slave> anyone experienced this before?
[17:08] <jmedina> byte_slave: any cron log?
[17:09] <byte_slave> cron log just says "Aug 19 16:55:01 elsa /USR/SBIN/CRON[4588]: (root) CMD (/root/scripts/est_disk_space_monitor.pl)"
[17:09] <byte_slave> no reference about any error or access denied or whatelse
[17:09] <Fenix|work> Greetings!
[17:09] <byte_slave> hi!
[17:10] <Fenix|work> I have a question I'd like to prose.  I've recently upgraded from Gutsy to Hardy, and my ftp user disappeared from /etc/passwd.  Why would that happen?
[17:10] <Fenix|work> byte_slave, how's it going?
[17:11] <byte_slave> Fenix|work, not that good actually, nail just doesn't work sending email via cron....
[17:12] <Fenix|work> nail? or mail?
[17:13] <Fenix|work> I guess they're both the same thing :)
[17:13] <Fenix|work> google tells me nail is a replacement for mailx
[17:14] <jmedina> byte_slave: and why nail instead clasic mailx?
[17:16] <byte_slave> i heard nice things about nail, and its simple to setup and supports smtp
[17:16] <byte_slave> mail doesn't as far as i know
[17:17] <Fenix|work> byte_slave, what are you trying to accomplish?
[17:17] <byte_slave> well, simple... a perl script goes check disk space and if space lower than x% i receive an email
[17:17] <byte_slave> manually script runs perfectly
[17:17] <byte_slave> via cron not working
[17:18] <byte_slave> cron is running the script as root
[17:18] <byte_slave> should work i guess
[17:20] <Fenix|work> are you using mail in your script?
[17:20] <byte_slave> im using NAIL
[17:20] <jmedina> byte_slave: mail doesnt what?
[17:20] <jmedina> support smtp?
[17:20] <Fenix|work> byte_slave, I understand NAIL will alias mail and mailx when you install for backwards compatability
[17:20] <Fenix|work> compatibility
[17:21] <byte_slave> no alias, NAIL is a very cool comamndline tool
[17:22] <byte_slave> jmedina, i guess not, but anyway i guess to have mail working i should have a "full MTA" working and with "NAIL solution" i found i just use NAIL + msmtp
[17:23] <jmedina> byte_slave: that is not true
[17:23] <jmedina> you can use mailx +ssmtp
[17:23] <jmedina> ssmtp it has support for SMTP AUTH, so you can send mail trough a mail relay host (smarthost)
[17:24] <gsalah> hello all, i have installed pptp vpn server, but vpn-clients use my DNS server to resolve anything instead of their server
[17:24] <byte_slave> maybe i was making confusion about "SMTP AUTH" which is actually what i need
[17:25] <Fenix|work> jmedina, nail is heirloom-mailx in the package tree no?
[17:25]  * Abron_Gru is back (gone 18:01:01)
[17:26] <jmedina> Fenix|work: dont know, last time I used nail was in slackware about 3 years ago
[17:26] <byte_slave> nail is now known as heirloom-mailx, thats true
[17:27] <Fenix|work> used nail with gentoo, but I don't have a preference... I just install mailutils and everything works
[17:27] <Fenix|work> or mail-utils, can't remember which connotation
[17:27] <byte_slave> but mailutils installs exim right?=
[17:27] <Fenix|work> byte_slave, just portions of it... not the full blown exim
[17:28] <byte_slave> i'll try use mailx..... i'll remove nail and see what happens
[17:35] <vladdY> i still cant get Raid1 to run properly, after I unplug one disk I'm unable to boot into ubuntu server
[17:35] <vladdY> i have followed everything from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID#Troubleshooting
[17:35] <vladdY> any clue
[17:40] <Brazen> vladdY: this has been discussed lately on the mailing list.  Apparently, linux will not boot to a degraded RAID array.
[17:40] <Brazen> your information is safe, but you will have to boot to a live CD and rebuild the array before you can boot back into it.
[17:41] <Brazen> I haven't followed it too close though, as I've only used software raid to protect data drives, and never tried it for the /boot or root partitions.
[17:42] <Brazen> I believe they are trying to get this patched in the kernel before the next Ubuntu release
[17:43] <jmedina> Brazen: he doesnt need to rebuild the raid, only install grub in the mirror disk
[17:43] <jmedina> well and rebuild initramfs
[17:45] <ScottK-laptop> arakthor: I'm here briefly if you've come up with any questions.
[17:45] <Brazen> Wouldn't grub already be installed in the mirrored partition?  Like I said, I didn't follow the issue too closely.
[17:46] <ScottK-laptop> Brazen: You only boot from one, so no.
[17:47] <arakthor> ScottK-laptop, what6's involved in the source code review?
[17:47] <arakthor> ScottK-laptop, also, should I start with a dependency of SA or just the SA package?
[17:47] <ScottK-laptop> arakthor: Review it for sound security practices.  If you aren't up for that, just say no.  It's not a hard requirement.
[17:47] <ScottK-laptop> Do the dependencies first.
[17:48] <arakthor> ok, thanks.
[17:48] <ScottK-laptop> That way when SA gets done the answer to are all the depends in Main will be yes.
[17:55] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #259477 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "mailx should not be Recommends" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259477
[17:56]  * ScottK-laptop runs to mark that confirmed.
[18:20] <vladdY> do you guys have any reference to that mailing list thread on booting from degraded raid1
[18:21] <vladdY> also, forgot to mention, this is software raid too, running on 2 disks
[18:27] <jmedina> Brazen: did you try those instructions?
[18:27] <jmedina> from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
[18:28] <ivoks> hi all
[18:28] <ivoks> zul: ping? :)
[18:30] <sommer> ivoks: yo
[18:30] <ivoks> wazup? :)
[18:31] <sommer> same old, same old... good times, heh
[18:31] <zul> ivoks: yo
[18:31] <ivoks> nice
[18:31] <ivoks> zul: yeah... um... those bacula bugs
[18:31] <ivoks> zul: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16211559/bacula-2.debdiff
[18:31] <zul> ivoks: uploaded that this morning
[18:31] <ivoks> zul: that's a patch for bacula in -proposed
[18:32] <ivoks> in intrepid, right
[18:32] <ivoks> but how about hardy?
[18:33] <zul> and in hardy-proposed
[18:33] <ivoks> that patch solves SRU problems
[18:33] <ivoks> ok
[18:33] <zul> its sitting there waiting to be accepted
[18:56] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #259479 in php5 (main) "php5 crashed with SIGSEGV in _Unwind_ForcedUnwind()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259479
[19:24] <vladdY> can someone please confirm that solution from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID works
[19:27] <ivoks> let' see
[19:28] <ivoks> vladdY: yes
[19:29] <_jmedina> vladdY: why dont you ask kirkland, I think he wrote the doc and he is working on that theme for intrepid inclusion
[20:11] <vikram> Is there a static version of bash and friends i can use on ubuntu server?
[20:11] <vikram> or at least anything not linked against libselinux
[20:12] <vikram> trying to apt-get remove libselinux looks really scary since it tries to pull everything out
[20:12] <ivoks> why would you remove it?
[20:13] <ivoks> selinux isn't enabled on ubuntu, by default
[20:13] <ivoks> applications are compiled with support for it, if someone decides to enable it
[20:13] <vikram> i know, i just dont want a userspace with libselinux support for it
[20:14] <vikram> is there a version of ubuntu with a clean userspace?
[20:14] <ivoks> then you'll need to recompile... everything :)
[20:14] <ivoks> clean userspace?
[20:14] <ivoks> what's clean?
[20:15] <vikram> just libc and libssl/tls, the basics
[20:16] <ivoks> bash is clean :)
[20:18] <ivoks> you know libc can be compiled with support for lots of things, so having only libc isn't a guaranatee that something is clean, whatever that means
[20:19] <zul> or your could use gentoo ;)
[20:19] <zul> whois vikram
[20:19] <zul> doh..
[20:19] <ivoks> :)
[20:20] <ivoks> i don't think gentoo is clean
[20:20] <ivoks> anyway... take care...
[20:39] <vikram> zul, i is who i is
[20:50] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #259538 in samba (main) "computer reboots during winbind configuration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259538
[21:00] <AlexC_> hey,
[21:03] <AlexC_> I have my main domain that I use for the server, eg: example.com and with that I have mail.example.com that is used for all email. Other domains, say 'domain.com' are hosted there and all email is sent and received via 'mail.example.com' - though the email addresses are still 'foo@domain.com'.   I'm wondering if I have to set an MX record for the 'domain.com' zone that points to 'mail.example.com'
[21:04] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:04] <AlexC_> I currently don't set this, and it works fine. The reason I use mail.example.com instead of mail.domain.com for all other domains is that I use SSL/TSL for it, and so the certificate only covers mail.example.com
[21:05] <ScottK> In the absence of an MX record, one is supposed to try and deliver to the A.
[21:05] <ScottK> If it's all on the same box it'll work.
[21:05] <AlexC_> ScottK, ok, so before I was basically relying on an undocumented feature/correction thingy, and I should really set the MX record for it?
[21:05] <ScottK> I do not, however, recommend relying on the implicit MX rule.
[21:06] <AlexC_> ok, that's what I thought - I'll make sure I set it now
[21:06] <ScottK> It's documented in RFC 821 and 2821, it's just not something I'd be so certain people get right that I rely on it.
[21:06] <AlexC_> true
[21:06] <_jmedina> AlexC_ it is a good practice to use MX record for every domain, not all the MTA out there know how to act when they can't find a MX record
[21:07] <AlexC_> thanks very much ScottK _jmedina
[21:08] <_jmedina> Alexc_ and your config is ok for SSL/TLS and single IP with multi domains
[21:08] <_jmedina> the same when you use SPF
[21:09] <AlexC_> wont it complain that the cert is for a different domain?
[21:10] <_jmedina> when?
[21:10] <vladdY> just wanted to say that
[21:10] <AlexC_> if I used mail.domain.com instead of mail.example.com
[21:10] <vladdY> oops
[21:10] <AlexC_> since the SSL cert is for mail.example.com
[21:11] <vladdY> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID does work, thank you very much for great work on ubuntu server
[21:11] <vladdY> and for support :)
[21:12] <_jmedina> vladdY: so what was the problem?
[21:13] <vladdY> i dont know, i think i didn't wait 180 seconds :)
[21:13] <vladdY> just did clean reinstall, switched it few times back and forth disconnecting each hd and worked everytime
[21:14] <ScottK> _jmedina: He's right.  Most MUAs will warn for that.
[21:14] <vladdY> i was able to rebuild array and everything worked without any problems, including postgresql
[21:15] <_jmedina> ScottK_ the he needs to setup MUAs with mail.example.com or whatever the cert's CN says
[21:16] <ScottK> Right, so it's less complex if he just uses that for everything.
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[23:33] <kirkland> sommer: _jmedina and vladdyy are asking about a RAID document above
[23:33] <kirkland> sommer: it's incorrectly attributed to me...  I didn't write it :-)
[23:34] <kirkland> sommer: though I've written a lot of patches on the matter lately
[23:48] <pschulz01> What is the difference between mailx and mailutils?
[23:49] <pschulz01> (In terms of functionality)
[23:52] <pschulz01> wantok: Morning