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| vorian | nixternal: ping etc... :) | 01:37 |
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| jtechidna | omg | 01:58 |
| jtechidna | <3 Simon Edwards | 01:58 |
| jtechidna | Riddell: He found a workaround for the crash | 01:58 |
| jtechidna | Make the KApplication a global var and everything works out | 01:59 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: Hi! Could you please sync apt-xapian-index, libwibble, libept and adept from Sid into Intrepid? Thanks. | 10:26 |
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| Riddell | ooh | 10:38 |
| Riddell | hmm, libwibble still at 0.1.19 in unstable | 10:44 |
| \sh | Riddell: are you up to some archive work? like syncing? :) | 12:01 |
| Riddell | \sh: could do | 12:01 |
| \sh | Riddell: ok..just testbuilding the experimental packages of new upstream sip4-qt3 + pyqt4 | 12:01 |
| \sh | Riddell: short question why did you remove the python-elemtree? | 12:06 |
| \sh | Riddell: as the python-qt4 bin package consists of py2.4 + py2.5 version as it seems, wouldn't it be better to suggest the python-elemtree package? | 12:07 |
| Riddell | \sh: did I? I don't even know what that is | 12:08 |
| Riddell | mornfall: synced from incoming | 12:08 |
| \sh | Riddell: or should be force the use of py2.5 as build target only? (setting XS-Python-Version in debian/control to 2.5) | 12:08 |
| \sh | python-qt4 (4.4.2-0ubuntu2) intrepid; urgency=low | 12:08 |
| \sh | * Remove depends on python-elemtree, it is not needed with python2.5 | 12:08 |
| \sh | -- Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com> Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:59:26 +0100 | 12:08 |
| Riddell | don't honestly know | 12:09 |
| jtechidna | Riddell: If you're doing archive work could you take a look at bug 259404 while you're at it? | 12:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 259404 in showimg "Please remove showimg 0.9.5-1.1ubuntu2 from Intrepid (universe)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259404 | 12:10 |
| jtechidna | and good morning guys :) | 12:10 |
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| \sh | Riddell: ok...would you sync then sip4-qt3 + python-qt4 from experimental then for intrepid...( i can't force requestsync to use experimental somehow9 | 12:13 |
| Riddell | \sh: sip4-qt3 4.7.7-1 is already in ubuntu | 12:17 |
| \sh | ah | 12:17 |
| Riddell | syncing python-qt4_4.4.3-1 | 12:17 |
| \sh | apachelogger: how far did you come along with your patch to pykde4? | 12:18 |
| \sh | apachelogger: if there is more work to be done, I'll prepare a debdiff for kde4bindings to bump the pyqt4 version for pykde4...and just rebuild it | 12:19 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: you wanted me to remind you to remove "preview" from the description on first beta release of amarok 2 | 12:19 |
| Nightrose | package description that is | 12:19 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: done | 12:32 |
| JontheEchidna | Cool, thanks. | 12:33 |
| seele | Riddell: does the ubuntu hardware database collect screen resolution data? | 13:24 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: Ah, right. Incoming is it -- I have just uploaded it when I poked you. I haven't realized ACCEPTed doesn't imply "in archive". ; - ) | 14:19 |
| Riddell | seele: yes should do (the output of xdpyinfo as I remember) | 14:26 |
| ScottK | \sh: I get sip4-qt3 sync'ed back when you originally asked me about them. | 14:27 |
| ScottK | I did get ... | 14:27 |
| \sh | ScottK: ah...didn't get it then...thx... | 14:27 |
| nixternal | vorian: pong? | 14:51 |
| smarter | could someone please upload that? http://ks33313.kimsufi.com/~smarter/pub/kdesdk_4.1.0-0ubuntu9.debdiff | 14:52 |
| Riddell | smarter: ok | 14:52 |
| Riddell | smarter: uploaded thanks, you should send it to debian too if they havn't done that already | 14:54 |
| smarter | 'kay | 14:54 |
| smarter | ppa backport probably has this bug too | 14:54 |
| smarter | does ubuntu wiki login works for you? | 14:56 |
| ScottK | smarter: Not for me with Konqueror KDE3. Works in Firefox. | 14:56 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: lemonpos-kde4 needs archiving in Intrepid | 14:57 |
| JontheEchidna | oh nevermind | 14:57 |
| JontheEchidna | dummy package | 14:57 |
| JontheEchidna | XP | 14:57 |
| smarter | ScottK: does not with konq/kde4 too :/ | 14:58 |
| smarter | *does not work | 14:59 |
| ScottK | smarter: I filed a bug on ubuntu-website. Please add a comment. | 15:00 |
| ScottK | smarter: Bug #259436 | 15:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 259436 in ubuntu-website "Wiki login not persistent with Konqueror" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259436 | 15:01 |
| smarter | done ;) | 15:02 |
| * smarter goes back to his kvkbd Qt4 port | 15:02 | |
| Riddell | smarter: you're doing one? | 15:05 |
| smarter | yep | 15:05 |
| smarter | it's running, buttons works, and I just got the tray icon back | 15:06 |
| smarter | *work | 15:06 |
| Riddell | groovy | 15:07 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: Simon Edwards helped me fix the crash in software-properties | 15:07 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: something fiddly involving object visibility I expect? | 15:10 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: yeah, making kapp a global var fixed the crash | 15:10 |
| JontheEchidna | er, declaring kapp as a global | 15:11 |
| JontheEchidna | The bad news is that I can't seem to fully wrap my head around KCmLineArgs/Options | 15:12 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: can be fiddly, try looking at gdebi-kde that uses it | 15:14 |
| JontheEchidna | Ooh, that might help | 15:14 |
| JontheEchidna | fiddly is an awesome word btw | 15:14 |
| JontheEchidna | Could I get a core dev to sponsor bug 253707? | 15:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 253707 in kdebase "[kde 4] System Settings missing from applications menu, not found by search" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253707 | 15:22 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: ok | 15:27 |
| JontheEchidna | thanks | 15:27 |
| Riddell | nixternal: remind me again what happened to pinentry-qt4 | 15:28 |
| nixternal | Riddell: you need to sync it from debian experimental | 15:29 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: uploaded, also applied upstream | 15:29 |
| Riddell | nixternal: groovy, done | 15:30 |
| nixternal | groovy | 15:30 |
| * Riddell grooves with nixternal | 15:30 | |
| nixternal | haha | 15:30 |
| nixternal | sign me up for UDS USA too, don't forget me :) | 15:31 |
| Riddell | nixternal: start a wiki page if you like | 15:33 |
| smarter | does anyone know what directories KStandardDirs check when you do something like myFile = KStandardDirs::locate("appdata", "groups.lst") ? | 15:33 |
| Riddell | smarter: kde4-config --path appdata | 15:34 |
| Riddell | kde4-config --path data | 15:34 |
| dinosaur-rus | hi | 15:34 |
| smarter | Riddell: thanks :) | 15:34 |
| seele | Riddell: how do you run reports on the data? http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/ is the only website i've found and it looks broken | 15:35 |
| Riddell | seele: the data is kept hidden and secret because of privacy issues, I might have access to it, what are you looking for? | 15:36 |
| dinosaur-rus | I got a problem when compiling a Qt 4 program -- linker can't find Xtst.so library. libxtst package is installed, there're /usr/lib/libXtst.so.6 and /usr/lib/libXtst.so.6.1.0 files, but /usr/lib/libXtst.so symlink is missing | 15:37 |
| Riddell | dinosaur-rus: try libxtst-dev | 15:37 |
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| dinosaur-rus | Riddell: oh, thanks :) I had to re-install my system and not everything may be restored :P | 15:40 |
| Riddell | dinosaur-rus: kdelibs5-dev will install a bunch of useful packages like that | 15:41 |
| Riddell | kdebase-workspace-dev more so | 15:41 |
| seele | Riddell: what the average Kubuntu screen res is and what percent is smaller than 1024 | 15:41 |
| Riddell | nixternal: bug 259767 | 15:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 259767 in kubuntu-docs "kubuntu-docs 8.10-3 update error (/usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales-kubuntu/ is not a directory)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259767 | 15:42 |
| Riddell | seele: I'll ping ogra | 15:43 |
| \sh | Riddell: I thought the hwdb data was anonymized somehow... | 15:43 |
| Riddell | \sh: there's no names attached but it could still be traced back | 15:47 |
| seele | Riddell: awesome.. thanks | 15:54 |
| dinosaur-rus | BTW, is there any way to tell the X server that my LCD monitor supports 75 Hz refresh rate? frequency ranges in xorg.conf are set, but they seem to have no effect... | 15:56 |
| dinosaur-rus | who does accept Adept suggestions? :) | 16:22 |
| seele | Riddell: kde-i18n got back to me and says Desktop Search shouldn't have any problems being translated | 16:23 |
| freeflying | Riddell: kde4 in intrepid only use ~/.kde? | 16:23 |
| seele | i dunno how new strings get submitted for translation or if it happens on its own though | 16:23 |
| Riddell | freeflying: yes | 16:27 |
| Riddell | seele: I committed it to trunk so that'll happen automatically for 4.2 | 16:27 |
| seele | ok | 16:28 |
| Riddell | seele: for intrepid I'd need to patch our packages but first I need to fix the patch to make .desktop files use .po translations | 16:28 |
| nixternal | Riddell: fixed and uploaded | 16:31 |
| Riddell | nixternal: rocking | 16:37 |
| nixternal | davmor2: hey, the about kubuntu thing, check and make sure that khelpcenter is pointing at /usr/share/doc/kde4 and not /usr/share/doc/kde | 16:37 |
| nixternal | I think | 16:37 |
| davmor2 | hang on | 16:40 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: thx | 16:41 |
| apachelogger | \sh: didn't I paste a new version? | 16:41 |
| apachelogger | \sh: you just need to reorder the link arguments in the cmake script that gets generated | 16:41 |
| davmor2 | nixternal: I'll do it latter I did realise it was that late. Be an hour or so :) | 16:43 |
| Riddell | seele: got the hwdb data, lets see how long it takes to uncompress it | 16:52 |
| davmor2 | nixternal: right I've got a few minutes so it's booting up now | 16:59 |
| davmor2 | nixternal: it points at help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu | 17:01 |
| nixternal | ya, but help might be pointing at /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/$cc/kubuntu/* | 17:02 |
| nixternal | help:// rather | 17:02 |
| davmor2 | nixternal: no error the file or folder help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu does not exist. | 17:04 |
| nixternal | davmor2: intrepid right? | 17:05 |
| davmor2 | nixternal: correct | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | you b0rked it | 17:05 |
| nixternal | ls /usr/share/doc/kde* | 17:05 |
| nixternal | there isn't a /usr/share/doc/kde/ in intrepid that I know of | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | well | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | share/doc/kde4/HTML | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | the kubuntu docs go to the wrong dir | 17:06 |
| nixternal | well that is where we are placing KDE 4 docs, so they don't overwrite anything KDE3 that might get installed | 17:06 |
| nixternal | KDE 3 installs docs to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/* | 17:07 |
| nixternal | KDE 4 installs docs to /usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/* | 17:07 |
| nixternal | we need to patch kdebase-workspace or runtime so that KHelpCenter is looking in the correct location(s) | 17:07 |
| davmor2 | nixternal: kde and kde4 are both there | 17:08 |
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| nixternal | I will have to setup Intrepid sometime in the next week or so and take a look | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | ehm | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: or we could just remove the cmake arg that makes it use kde/HTML | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | the kde4 packages which don't replace kde3 are conflicting anyways | 17:09 |
| davmor2 | nixternal: is there anything else I can help you with? | 17:12 |
| nixternal | davmor2: nah, I think I got it...if not I will poke you with apachelogger | 17:13 |
| nixternal | the apachelogger of doom! | 17:13 |
| apachelogger | oioi | 17:13 |
| davmor2 | nixternal: if you burn yourself a live cd that's where it shows up for me on the about kubuntu icon in desktop. If I open up khelpcenter that seems to work okay :) | 17:16 |
| nixternal | ahhh, that is a .desktop issue....got it! | 17:16 |
| nixternal | w00t, glad you said that | 17:16 |
| * Riddell adds system-config-printer-kde to KDE SVN | 17:17 | |
| davmor2 | I did put it in my bug report ;) | 17:17 |
| nixternal | ahhh, it tries to open khelpcenter in the desktop file and not khelpcenter4 | 17:17 |
| jjesse | there isn't any kubuntu documentation in khelpecenter in intrepid yet | 17:17 |
| jjesse | at least on my ysstem | 17:17 |
| nixternal | jjesse: is there khelpcenter or khelpcenter4 in intrepid? | 17:17 |
| nixternal | need to know the binary name | 17:17 |
| Riddell | there is a khelpcentre | 17:17 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 17:18 |
| Riddell | doesn't work terribly well | 17:18 |
| jjesse | khelpcenter version 4.1.00 | 17:18 |
| jjesse | and konqi still shows the default konqi start page, "Next: An Introduction to Konqueror | 17:18 |
| nixternal | OK, I will have to install Intrepid on my lappy at home then | 17:18 |
| nixternal | it is time I back it up anyways | 17:18 |
| jjesse | i have it in a virtual machine | 17:19 |
| davmor2 | nixternal: I'll leave it with you :) | 17:19 |
| nixternal | yay, time to write some more python | 17:19 |
| nixternal | eclipse + pydev == #1 | 17:19 |
| Riddell | nixternal: got any keen your kde docs people who want to write a quick doc for system-config-printer-kde? | 17:22 |
| nixternal | Riddell: myself or jjesse | 17:22 |
| * jjesse ducks and whisltes | 17:22 | |
| nixternal | I can do one up as it only takes an hour or so | 17:22 |
| jjesse | i don't have time today on site | 17:23 |
| nixternal | Riddell: email me or file a bug and assign it to me | 17:23 |
| Riddell | well, I don't want to distract you from kubuntu-docs | 17:23 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I can multi-task :P | 17:23 |
| nixternal | I need to do them simultaneously anyways, as KDE 4 docs are blah right now | 17:23 |
| jjesse | nixternal: best way to get back working on kde docs is to check out all of svn or just the docs folders? | 17:25 |
| nixternal | you can write a script probably to go through KDE/*/doc to pull each | 17:26 |
| nixternal | would be less space for sure | 17:26 |
| jjesse | ok | 17:27 |
| Riddell | 3.5.10 is available.. but does anyone care? | 17:46 |
| ScottK-laptop | Yes. | 17:52 |
| ScottK-laptop | What do you think about 3.5.10 for -proposed/updates? | 17:53 |
| Riddell | I'd be hesitant, that branch doesn't receive much testing | 17:54 |
| Riddell | but if someone want to do it, sure | 17:54 |
| ScottK-laptop | OTOH, I'd expect if the shoved something in there it must be of some significance. | 17:54 |
| ScottK-laptop | Riddell: If you'll give me a list of source packages, I'll try and look at it in the next few days. I want to make sure I get them all. | 17:55 |
| Riddell | ScottK-laptop: just a list, surely you'd need the actual source itself | 17:56 |
| ScottK-laptop | I assume I can download that from somwhere? | 17:56 |
| Riddell | nope, it's super secret | 17:57 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. Then I guess I need that too. | 17:58 |
| Riddell | ScottK-laptop: probably easiest if I just give you access to ktown | 18:00 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. | 18:01 |
| ScottK-laptop | Please make it read only. | 18:01 |
| Riddell | hmm, the new launchpad UI doesn't make it easy to find your ssh key | 18:02 |
| Riddell | or maybe you don't have one in launchpad | 18:02 |
| Riddell | no, seems you don't | 18:02 |
| Riddell | ScottK-laptop: got an ssh key? | 18:02 |
| ScottK-laptop | I never made one I cared about after the last fiasco. Give me a moment. | 18:03 |
| Riddell | ScottK-laptop: I worked out how to copy it over | 18:06 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: I got command line args back in and fixed a few things | 18:07 |
| Riddell | yay | 18:07 |
| JontheEchidna | Should be ready for review | 18:07 |
| JontheEchidna | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/software-properties/pykde4 | 18:08 |
| JontheEchidna | and hopefully a merge :) | 18:11 |
| yuriy | oooh | 18:17 |
| yuriy | JontheEchidna: does it have a KDE-like apply button now? | 18:17 |
| JontheEchidna | Uh... where? | 18:17 |
| yuriy | software properties | 18:18 |
| yuriy | it was gnome like instant apply before | 18:18 |
| yuriy | except not, it was just weird | 18:18 |
| JontheEchidna | I didn't add any buttons | 18:18 |
| JontheEchidna | I'm about to blog about it though | 18:18 |
| JontheEchidna | once I get pics and stuff | 18:19 |
| JontheEchidna | before/after pics | 18:19 |
| Riddell | seele: uncompressing just stopped | 18:23 |
| JontheEchidna | Who do I see about software-properties merges? | 18:24 |
| seele | Riddell: o.O | 18:25 |
| seele | Riddell: how big was the archive? | 18:26 |
| Riddell | seele: 217394 entries, 4.6 Gigs | 18:27 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: if you run it without root, it gives the error box but doesn't quit | 18:31 |
| JontheEchidna | oops | 18:31 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm, for it quits when I run the script through python without root | 18:33 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: oh hang on, it does now | 18:33 |
| JontheEchidna | whew | 18:33 |
| Riddell | >sudo python software-properties-kde --enable-component universe | 18:33 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: breakage ^^ | 18:33 |
| JontheEchidna | hum | 18:34 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: for some reason kdesudo "python software-properties-kde --enable-component universe" works | 18:35 |
| JontheEchidna | ...and it deletes everything under universe in etc/apt/sources.list | 18:36 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: doesn't work with sudo though, just needs a cast to a str somewhere | 18:37 |
| JontheEchidna | Ok | 18:37 |
| JontheEchidna | what about the deleting everything under universe in the sources.list? | 18:38 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: it's gone! | 18:38 |
| Riddell | that doesn't seem right | 18:38 |
| JontheEchidna | does that happen with the normal pyqt build? | 18:40 |
| Riddell | dunno | 18:41 |
| Riddell | don't seem to | 18:43 |
| JontheEchidna | crapity crap | 18:43 |
| JontheEchidna | Let's see if casting to str helps | 18:46 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: casting to str first fixes that too | 18:48 |
| Riddell | yay | 18:49 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: then e-mail michael vogt, cc me, asking if he wants to do the review/merge or if he's happy for me to do it | 18:50 |
| JontheEchidna | Ok | 18:51 |
| Riddell | seele: still grepping.. | 18:58 |
| seele | Riddell: i hope there is some useful data in there :) | 19:05 |
| Riddell | seele: hmm, 4500 done of 217394, this could take some time | 19:06 |
| Riddell | seele: but here's the current output http://paste.ubuntu.com/39178/ | 19:07 |
| Riddell | seele: this is only people who have bothered to run hwdb-client so I'd guess it's only desktop using fans rather than non-geeks or server users | 19:09 |
| seele | Riddell: i'm hoping technical skill wont matter in terms of hardware | 19:09 |
| seele | the same laptop could be used by a home user or a hacker | 19:10 |
| seele | hmm.. it might be too late to ask, but can it be determined if it is a desktop or laptop? | 19:10 |
| Riddell | yes although it would take some python playing | 19:12 |
| fdoving | Riddell: ping. i'm not much around, so the 4th of august you asked about bug 186729. | 21:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 186729 in kio-umountwrapper "Cannot uninstall kio-umountwrapper" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186729 | 21:08 |
| fdoving | Riddell: the whole problem is that kio-umountwrapper wasn't updated for the removal of dolphin/d3lphin, so it kind of expects one file from dolphin to be around. and it doesn't depend on it. | 21:09 |
| fdoving | so when d3lphin, or konqueror for that matter, is removed before kio-umountwrapper, it'll break. | 21:11 |
| fdoving | and it's my fault. | 21:11 |
| fdoving | i belived i made a fixed package with the depends at some point. | 21:12 |
| fdoving | Riddell: http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/intrepid/kio-umountwrapper/ | 21:13 |
| fdoving | i pointed to that url in one of my comments to the bug. | 21:13 |
| fdoving | it should be pushed to hardy-updates before upgrades to intrepid starts, to prevent chaos. | 21:15 |
| smarter | mmh, chaos | 21:18 |
| fdoving | yeah, for those who remove dolphin upgrades will stop at some point, when/if kio-umountwrapper is removed. | 21:19 |
| fdoving | ehm, for those who have removed dolphin, and then try to remove kio-umountwrapper, that is. | 21:20 |
| fdoving | so, kio-umountwrapper needs to depend on dolphin and konqueror, then it's removed first if one of those are uninstalled. | 21:21 |
| fdoving | i made the .debdiff for this 4th of may. | 21:22 |
| Riddell | thanks fdoving | 21:23 |
| JontheEchidna | mornfall: adept3.0~beta1 crashes when ran without sudo | 21:35 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: bug 99363 | 21:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 99363 in gtk-qt-engine "i18n for gtk-qt-engine broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99363 | 21:38 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: gtk-qt-engine needs to go back to main, gtk-qt-engine-kde4 source can be removed ... do we need a new MIR? | 21:40 |
| apachelogger | considering -engine is -kde4 just a new version :) | 21:40 |
| JontheEchidna | bbl | 21:41 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: meh | 21:41 |
| * Nightrose puts it on the agenda | 21:42 | |
| fdoving | ah, Gauvain Pocentek has a better solution. | 21:45 |
| fdoving | Riddell: Gauvain Pocentek has a smarter solution, easier anyway. jsut make the dirs, then the divert will work even if dolphin isn't around. not sure how that will work if dolphin is installed, but i guess dpkg-divert will handle that. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio-umountwrapper/+bug/186729/comments/21 and 22 | 21:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 186729 in kio-umountwrapper "Cannot uninstall kio-umountwrapper" [High,In progress] | 21:46 |
| fdoving | yep, i'm pretty sure dpkg-divert will handle that. so that's a good solution as far as i can tell. | 21:48 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: no MIR needed | 21:57 |
| Riddell | seele: how's this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/39219/ | 22:14 |
| seele | Riddell: awesome :) | 22:36 |
| Riddell | surprisingly few laptops | 22:37 |
| seele | a lot of desktops seem to have widescreen monitors too | 22:38 |
| seele | i wonder if they are really laptops? | 22:38 |
| yuriy__ | yeah most of the desktop/laptop things on there don't make sense | 22:38 |
| Riddell | yuriy__: why do you say that? | 22:39 |
| seele | Riddell: line 23 | 22:39 |
| seele | 532 desktops running 1280x800? | 22:39 |
| seele | that is a pretty typical laptop screen resolution | 22:39 |
| Riddell | I'm grepping for BAT in the hal output | 22:40 |
| yuriy__ | I don't know of any laptops that do 1280x1024, or any desktops that do 1280x800 or 1280x768 or 1400x1050 | 22:40 |
| Riddell | there must be a better way to grep for laptop-ness but I don't know what | 22:40 |
| seele | that's ok.. the data is still useful | 22:40 |
| seele | is this all ubuntu or just kubuntu? | 22:40 |
| Riddell | all ubuntu | 22:41 |
| seele | ok cool | 22:41 |
| Riddell | seele: what's this for? | 22:41 |
| seele | Riddell: trying to figure out what screen size we should be designing for as a desktop | 22:41 |
| seele | Riddell: nuno wants icons + text instead if icons/text | 22:41 |
| seele | but 1024 is a bit too small for some applications (but it is dubious if they should have text with the icons at all) | 22:42 |
| seele | some apps it makes sense for, such as okular | 22:42 |
| seele | plus, when you do icons + text, you use less vertical space | 22:42 |
| seele | which means more real estate for laptop users | 22:42 |
| yuriy__ | what if it was dependent on how many things are in the toolbar? | 22:42 |
| seele | yuriy__: that is another possibility | 22:43 |
| seele | for example, kmail probably doesnt need icons + text, nor does koffice | 22:43 |
| seele | konqueror.. i'm not sure. i think we could probably do just icons for that too | 22:43 |
| yuriy__ | i'm just glad the toolbar issues are resolved, according to ereslibre's blog and hope that gets backported | 22:44 |
| seele | dolphin looks pretty nice with icons + text too | 22:44 |
| smarter | yuriy__: awesome! that thing was driving me mad | 22:44 |
| seele | Riddell: screen size will also effect what default plasma widgets we should put on the desktop in ibex | 22:45 |
| seele | and what their default size is | 22:45 |
| smarter | seele: maybe it could be automagically changed according to the resolution? | 22:46 |
| seele | smarter: that is something we are considering too.. but that could effect screenshots in documentation | 22:46 |
| smarter | I always disable icons+text on my EEE(800x480) | 22:47 |
| seele | first i think nuno and i will look at which apps are a problem under 1024 and see if they need icons + text at all | 22:47 |
| smarter | "1920 x 1200 laptop" Oo | 22:48 |
| smarter | who needs a 22' laptop? | 22:48 |
| yuriy__ | what do I have to do to get qt4 designer working again? | 22:53 |
| === yuriy__ is now known as yuriy | ||
| Nightrose | apachelogger: meh the wiki doesn't want to log me in :( | 23:15 |
| Nightrose | so i can't edit the page | 23:15 |
| ScottK-laptop | Nightrose: Unfortunately you need Firefox. It's broken with Konqueror. | 23:17 |
| * ScottK-laptop filed a bug already. | 23:17 | |
| Nightrose | ScottK-laptop: ahhh thanks | 23:18 |
| Nightrose | will try in firefox then | 23:18 |
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