=== mzungu is now known as mzungu_afk === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [01:37] nixternal: ping etc... :) [01:58] omg [01:58] <3 Simon Edwards [01:58] Riddell: He found a workaround for the crash [01:59] Make the KApplication a global var and everything works out === Hobbsee` is now known as Hobbsee [10:26] Riddell: Hi! Could you please sync apt-xapian-index, libwibble, libept and adept from Sid into Intrepid? Thanks. === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [10:38] ooh [10:44] hmm, libwibble still at 0.1.19 in unstable [12:01] <\sh> Riddell: are you up to some archive work? like syncing? :) [12:01] \sh: could do [12:01] <\sh> Riddell: ok..just testbuilding the experimental packages of new upstream sip4-qt3 + pyqt4 [12:06] <\sh> Riddell: short question why did you remove the python-elemtree? [12:07] <\sh> Riddell: as the python-qt4 bin package consists of py2.4 + py2.5 version as it seems, wouldn't it be better to suggest the python-elemtree package? [12:08] \sh: did I? I don't even know what that is [12:08] mornfall: synced from incoming [12:08] <\sh> Riddell: or should be force the use of py2.5 as build target only? (setting XS-Python-Version in debian/control to 2.5) [12:08] <\sh> python-qt4 (4.4.2-0ubuntu2) intrepid; urgency=low [12:08] <\sh> * Remove depends on python-elemtree, it is not needed with python2.5 [12:08] <\sh> -- Jonathan Riddell Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:59:26 +0100 [12:09] don't honestly know [12:10] Riddell: If you're doing archive work could you take a look at bug 259404 while you're at it? [12:10] Launchpad bug 259404 in showimg "Please remove showimg 0.9.5-1.1ubuntu2 from Intrepid (universe)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259404 [12:10] and good morning guys :) === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [12:13] <\sh> Riddell: ok...would you sync then sip4-qt3 + python-qt4 from experimental then for intrepid...( i can't force requestsync to use experimental somehow9 [12:17] \sh: sip4-qt3 4.7.7-1 is already in ubuntu [12:17] <\sh> ah [12:17] syncing python-qt4_4.4.3-1 [12:18] <\sh> apachelogger: how far did you come along with your patch to pykde4? [12:19] <\sh> apachelogger: if there is more work to be done, I'll prepare a debdiff for kde4bindings to bump the pyqt4 version for pykde4...and just rebuild it [12:19] apachelogger: you wanted me to remind you to remove "preview" from the description on first beta release of amarok 2 [12:19] package description that is [12:32] JontheEchidna: done [12:33] Cool, thanks. [13:24] Riddell: does the ubuntu hardware database collect screen resolution data? === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [14:19] Riddell: Ah, right. Incoming is it -- I have just uploaded it when I poked you. I haven't realized ACCEPTed doesn't imply "in archive". ; - ) [14:26] seele: yes should do (the output of xdpyinfo as I remember) [14:27] \sh: I get sip4-qt3 sync'ed back when you originally asked me about them. [14:27] I did get ... [14:27] <\sh> ScottK: ah...didn't get it then...thx... [14:51] vorian: pong? [14:52] could someone please upload that? http://ks33313.kimsufi.com/~smarter/pub/kdesdk_4.1.0-0ubuntu9.debdiff [14:52] smarter: ok [14:54] smarter: uploaded thanks, you should send it to debian too if they havn't done that already [14:54] 'kay [14:54] ppa backport probably has this bug too [14:56] does ubuntu wiki login works for you? [14:56] smarter: Not for me with Konqueror KDE3. Works in Firefox. [14:57] Riddell: lemonpos-kde4 needs archiving in Intrepid [14:57] oh nevermind [14:57] dummy package [14:57] XP [14:58] ScottK: does not with konq/kde4 too :/ [14:59] *does not work [15:00] smarter: I filed a bug on ubuntu-website. Please add a comment. [15:01] smarter: Bug #259436 [15:01] Launchpad bug 259436 in ubuntu-website "Wiki login not persistent with Konqueror" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259436 [15:02] done ;) [15:02] * smarter goes back to his kvkbd Qt4 port [15:05] smarter: you're doing one? [15:05] yep [15:06] it's running, buttons works, and I just got the tray icon back [15:06] *work [15:07] groovy [15:07] Riddell: Simon Edwards helped me fix the crash in software-properties [15:10] JontheEchidna: something fiddly involving object visibility I expect? [15:10] Riddell: yeah, making kapp a global var fixed the crash [15:11] er, declaring kapp as a global [15:12] The bad news is that I can't seem to fully wrap my head around KCmLineArgs/Options [15:14] JontheEchidna: can be fiddly, try looking at gdebi-kde that uses it [15:14] Ooh, that might help [15:14] fiddly is an awesome word btw [15:22] Could I get a core dev to sponsor bug 253707? [15:22] Launchpad bug 253707 in kdebase "[kde 4] System Settings missing from applications menu, not found by search" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253707 [15:27] JontheEchidna: ok [15:27] thanks [15:28] nixternal: remind me again what happened to pinentry-qt4 [15:29] Riddell: you need to sync it from debian experimental [15:29] JontheEchidna: uploaded, also applied upstream [15:30] nixternal: groovy, done [15:30] groovy [15:30] * Riddell grooves with nixternal [15:30] haha [15:31] sign me up for UDS USA too, don't forget me :) [15:33] nixternal: start a wiki page if you like [15:33] does anyone know what directories KStandardDirs check when you do something like myFile = KStandardDirs::locate("appdata", "groups.lst") ? [15:34] smarter: kde4-config --path appdata [15:34] kde4-config --path data [15:34] hi [15:34] Riddell: thanks :) [15:35] Riddell: how do you run reports on the data? http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/ is the only website i've found and it looks broken [15:36] seele: the data is kept hidden and secret because of privacy issues, I might have access to it, what are you looking for? [15:37] I got a problem when compiling a Qt 4 program -- linker can't find Xtst.so library. libxtst package is installed, there're /usr/lib/libXtst.so.6 and /usr/lib/libXtst.so.6.1.0 files, but /usr/lib/libXtst.so symlink is missing [15:37] dinosaur-rus: try libxtst-dev === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [15:40] Riddell: oh, thanks :) I had to re-install my system and not everything may be restored :P [15:41] dinosaur-rus: kdelibs5-dev will install a bunch of useful packages like that [15:41] kdebase-workspace-dev more so [15:41] Riddell: what the average Kubuntu screen res is and what percent is smaller than 1024 [15:42] nixternal: bug 259767 [15:42] Launchpad bug 259767 in kubuntu-docs "kubuntu-docs 8.10-3 update error (/usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales-kubuntu/ is not a directory)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259767 [15:43] seele: I'll ping ogra [15:43] <\sh> Riddell: I thought the hwdb data was anonymized somehow... [15:47] \sh: there's no names attached but it could still be traced back [15:54] Riddell: awesome.. thanks [15:56] BTW, is there any way to tell the X server that my LCD monitor supports 75 Hz refresh rate? frequency ranges in xorg.conf are set, but they seem to have no effect... [16:22] who does accept Adept suggestions? :) [16:23] Riddell: kde-i18n got back to me and says Desktop Search shouldn't have any problems being translated [16:23] Riddell: kde4 in intrepid only use ~/.kde? [16:23] i dunno how new strings get submitted for translation or if it happens on its own though [16:27] freeflying: yes [16:27] seele: I committed it to trunk so that'll happen automatically for 4.2 [16:28] ok [16:28] seele: for intrepid I'd need to patch our packages but first I need to fix the patch to make .desktop files use .po translations [16:31] Riddell: fixed and uploaded [16:37] nixternal: rocking [16:37] davmor2: hey, the about kubuntu thing, check and make sure that khelpcenter is pointing at /usr/share/doc/kde4 and not /usr/share/doc/kde [16:37] I think [16:40] hang on [16:41] Nightrose: thx [16:41] \sh: didn't I paste a new version? [16:41] \sh: you just need to reorder the link arguments in the cmake script that gets generated [16:43] nixternal: I'll do it latter I did realise it was that late. Be an hour or so :) [16:52] seele: got the hwdb data, lets see how long it takes to uncompress it [16:59] nixternal: right I've got a few minutes so it's booting up now [17:01] nixternal: it points at help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu [17:02] ya, but help might be pointing at /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/$cc/kubuntu/* [17:02] help:// rather [17:04] nixternal: no error the file or folder help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu does not exist. [17:05] davmor2: intrepid right? [17:05] nixternal: correct [17:05] you b0rked it [17:05] ls /usr/share/doc/kde* [17:05] there isn't a /usr/share/doc/kde/ in intrepid that I know of [17:05] well [17:05] share/doc/kde4/HTML [17:06] the kubuntu docs go to the wrong dir [17:06] well that is where we are placing KDE 4 docs, so they don't overwrite anything KDE3 that might get installed [17:07] KDE 3 installs docs to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/* [17:07] KDE 4 installs docs to /usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML/* [17:07] we need to patch kdebase-workspace or runtime so that KHelpCenter is looking in the correct location(s) [17:08] nixternal: kde and kde4 are both there === mzungu_afk is now known as mzungu [17:09] I will have to setup Intrepid sometime in the next week or so and take a look [17:09] ehm [17:09] nixternal: or we could just remove the cmake arg that makes it use kde/HTML [17:09] the kde4 packages which don't replace kde3 are conflicting anyways [17:12] nixternal: is there anything else I can help you with? [17:13] davmor2: nah, I think I got it...if not I will poke you with apachelogger [17:13] the apachelogger of doom! [17:13] oioi [17:16] nixternal: if you burn yourself a live cd that's where it shows up for me on the about kubuntu icon in desktop. If I open up khelpcenter that seems to work okay :) [17:16] ahhh, that is a .desktop issue....got it! [17:16] w00t, glad you said that [17:17] * Riddell adds system-config-printer-kde to KDE SVN [17:17] I did put it in my bug report ;) [17:17] ahhh, it tries to open khelpcenter in the desktop file and not khelpcenter4 [17:17] there isn't any kubuntu documentation in khelpecenter in intrepid yet [17:17] at least on my ysstem [17:17] jjesse: is there khelpcenter or khelpcenter4 in intrepid? [17:17] need to know the binary name [17:17] there is a khelpcentre [17:18] hrmm [17:18] doesn't work terribly well [17:18] khelpcenter version 4.1.00 [17:18] and konqi still shows the default konqi start page, "Next: An Introduction to Konqueror [17:18] OK, I will have to install Intrepid on my lappy at home then [17:18] it is time I back it up anyways [17:19] i have it in a virtual machine [17:19] nixternal: I'll leave it with you :) [17:19] yay, time to write some more python [17:19] eclipse + pydev == #1 [17:22] nixternal: got any keen your kde docs people who want to write a quick doc for system-config-printer-kde? [17:22] Riddell: myself or jjesse [17:22] * jjesse ducks and whisltes [17:22] I can do one up as it only takes an hour or so [17:23] i don't have time today on site [17:23] Riddell: email me or file a bug and assign it to me [17:23] well, I don't want to distract you from kubuntu-docs [17:23] Riddell: I can multi-task :P [17:23] I need to do them simultaneously anyways, as KDE 4 docs are blah right now [17:25] nixternal: best way to get back working on kde docs is to check out all of svn or just the docs folders? [17:26] you can write a script probably to go through KDE/*/doc to pull each [17:26] would be less space for sure [17:27] ok [17:46] 3.5.10 is available.. but does anyone care? [17:52] Yes. [17:53] What do you think about 3.5.10 for -proposed/updates? [17:54] I'd be hesitant, that branch doesn't receive much testing [17:54] but if someone want to do it, sure [17:54] OTOH, I'd expect if the shoved something in there it must be of some significance. [17:55] Riddell: If you'll give me a list of source packages, I'll try and look at it in the next few days. I want to make sure I get them all. [17:56] ScottK-laptop: just a list, surely you'd need the actual source itself [17:56] I assume I can download that from somwhere? [17:57] nope, it's super secret [17:58] OK. Then I guess I need that too. [18:00] ScottK-laptop: probably easiest if I just give you access to ktown [18:01] OK. [18:01] Please make it read only. [18:02] hmm, the new launchpad UI doesn't make it easy to find your ssh key [18:02] or maybe you don't have one in launchpad [18:02] no, seems you don't [18:02] ScottK-laptop: got an ssh key? [18:03] I never made one I cared about after the last fiasco. Give me a moment. [18:06] ScottK-laptop: I worked out how to copy it over [18:07] Riddell: I got command line args back in and fixed a few things [18:07] yay [18:07] Should be ready for review [18:08] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/software-properties/pykde4 [18:11] and hopefully a merge :) [18:17] oooh [18:17] JontheEchidna: does it have a KDE-like apply button now? [18:17] Uh... where? [18:18] software properties [18:18] it was gnome like instant apply before [18:18] except not, it was just weird [18:18] I didn't add any buttons [18:18] I'm about to blog about it though [18:19] once I get pics and stuff [18:19] before/after pics [18:23] seele: uncompressing just stopped [18:24] Who do I see about software-properties merges? [18:25] Riddell: o.O [18:26] Riddell: how big was the archive? [18:27] seele: 217394 entries, 4.6 Gigs [18:31] JontheEchidna: if you run it without root, it gives the error box but doesn't quit [18:31] oops [18:33] hmm, for it quits when I run the script through python without root [18:33] JontheEchidna: oh hang on, it does now [18:33] whew [18:33] >sudo python software-properties-kde --enable-component universe [18:33] JontheEchidna: breakage ^^ [18:34] hum [18:35] Riddell: for some reason kdesudo "python software-properties-kde --enable-component universe" works [18:36] ...and it deletes everything under universe in etc/apt/sources.list [18:37] JontheEchidna: doesn't work with sudo though, just needs a cast to a str somewhere [18:37] Ok [18:38] what about the deleting everything under universe in the sources.list? [18:38] JontheEchidna: it's gone! [18:38] that doesn't seem right [18:40] does that happen with the normal pyqt build? [18:41] dunno [18:43] don't seem to [18:43] crapity crap [18:46] Let's see if casting to str helps [18:48] Riddell: casting to str first fixes that too [18:49] yay [18:50] JontheEchidna: then e-mail michael vogt, cc me, asking if he wants to do the review/merge or if he's happy for me to do it [18:51] Ok [18:58] seele: still grepping.. [19:05] Riddell: i hope there is some useful data in there :) [19:06] seele: hmm, 4500 done of 217394, this could take some time [19:07] seele: but here's the current output http://paste.ubuntu.com/39178/ [19:09] seele: this is only people who have bothered to run hwdb-client so I'd guess it's only desktop using fans rather than non-geeks or server users [19:09] Riddell: i'm hoping technical skill wont matter in terms of hardware [19:10] the same laptop could be used by a home user or a hacker [19:10] hmm.. it might be too late to ask, but can it be determined if it is a desktop or laptop? [19:12] yes although it would take some python playing [21:08] Riddell: ping. i'm not much around, so the 4th of august you asked about bug 186729. [21:08] Launchpad bug 186729 in kio-umountwrapper "Cannot uninstall kio-umountwrapper" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186729 [21:09] Riddell: the whole problem is that kio-umountwrapper wasn't updated for the removal of dolphin/d3lphin, so it kind of expects one file from dolphin to be around. and it doesn't depend on it. [21:11] so when d3lphin, or konqueror for that matter, is removed before kio-umountwrapper, it'll break. [21:11] and it's my fault. [21:12] i belived i made a fixed package with the depends at some point. [21:13] Riddell: http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/intrepid/kio-umountwrapper/ [21:13] i pointed to that url in one of my comments to the bug. [21:15] it should be pushed to hardy-updates before upgrades to intrepid starts, to prevent chaos. [21:18] mmh, chaos [21:19] yeah, for those who remove dolphin upgrades will stop at some point, when/if kio-umountwrapper is removed. [21:20] ehm, for those who have removed dolphin, and then try to remove kio-umountwrapper, that is. [21:21] so, kio-umountwrapper needs to depend on dolphin and konqueror, then it's removed first if one of those are uninstalled. [21:22] i made the .debdiff for this 4th of may. [21:23] thanks fdoving [21:35] mornfall: adept3.0~beta1 crashes when ran without sudo [21:38] Nightrose: bug 99363 [21:38] Launchpad bug 99363 in gtk-qt-engine "i18n for gtk-qt-engine broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99363 [21:40] Riddell: gtk-qt-engine needs to go back to main, gtk-qt-engine-kde4 source can be removed ... do we need a new MIR? [21:40] considering -engine is -kde4 just a new version :) [21:41] bbl [21:41] apachelogger: meh [21:42] * Nightrose puts it on the agenda [21:45] ah, Gauvain Pocentek has a better solution. [21:46] Riddell: Gauvain Pocentek has a smarter solution, easier anyway. jsut make the dirs, then the divert will work even if dolphin isn't around. not sure how that will work if dolphin is installed, but i guess dpkg-divert will handle that. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio-umountwrapper/+bug/186729/comments/21 and 22 [21:46] Launchpad bug 186729 in kio-umountwrapper "Cannot uninstall kio-umountwrapper" [High,In progress] [21:48] yep, i'm pretty sure dpkg-divert will handle that. so that's a good solution as far as i can tell. [21:57] apachelogger: no MIR needed [22:14] seele: how's this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/39219/ [22:36] Riddell: awesome :) [22:37] surprisingly few laptops [22:38] a lot of desktops seem to have widescreen monitors too [22:38] i wonder if they are really laptops? [22:38] yeah most of the desktop/laptop things on there don't make sense [22:39] yuriy__: why do you say that? [22:39] Riddell: line 23 [22:39] 532 desktops running 1280x800? [22:39] that is a pretty typical laptop screen resolution [22:40] I'm grepping for BAT in the hal output [22:40] I don't know of any laptops that do 1280x1024, or any desktops that do 1280x800 or 1280x768 or 1400x1050 [22:40] there must be a better way to grep for laptop-ness but I don't know what [22:40] that's ok.. the data is still useful [22:40] is this all ubuntu or just kubuntu? [22:41] all ubuntu [22:41] ok cool [22:41] seele: what's this for? [22:41] Riddell: trying to figure out what screen size we should be designing for as a desktop [22:41] Riddell: nuno wants icons + text instead if icons/text [22:42] but 1024 is a bit too small for some applications (but it is dubious if they should have text with the icons at all) [22:42] some apps it makes sense for, such as okular [22:42] plus, when you do icons + text, you use less vertical space [22:42] which means more real estate for laptop users [22:42] what if it was dependent on how many things are in the toolbar? [22:43] yuriy__: that is another possibility [22:43] for example, kmail probably doesnt need icons + text, nor does koffice [22:43] konqueror.. i'm not sure. i think we could probably do just icons for that too [22:44] i'm just glad the toolbar issues are resolved, according to ereslibre's blog and hope that gets backported [22:44] dolphin looks pretty nice with icons + text too [22:44] yuriy__: awesome! that thing was driving me mad [22:45] Riddell: screen size will also effect what default plasma widgets we should put on the desktop in ibex [22:45] and what their default size is [22:46] seele: maybe it could be automagically changed according to the resolution? [22:46] smarter: that is something we are considering too.. but that could effect screenshots in documentation [22:47] I always disable icons+text on my EEE(800x480) [22:47] first i think nuno and i will look at which apps are a problem under 1024 and see if they need icons + text at all [22:48] "1920 x 1200 laptop" Oo [22:48] who needs a 22' laptop? [22:53] what do I have to do to get qt4 designer working again? === yuriy__ is now known as yuriy [23:15] apachelogger: meh the wiki doesn't want to log me in :( [23:15] so i can't edit the page [23:17] Nightrose: Unfortunately you need Firefox. It's broken with Konqueror. [23:17] * ScottK-laptop filed a bug already. [23:18] ScottK-laptop: ahhh thanks [23:18] will try in firefox then