[00:43] <ethana21> How are updates treating us today?
[00:43] <ethana21> any major breakage?
[00:48] <Taku> hey there
[00:49] <ethana21> Taku: hi
[00:49] <Taku> :)
[00:49] <Taku> people, is anyone experiencing problems with apache here ?
[00:56] <bcurtis> if the "low graphics mode" start to intrepid normal?
[00:57] <bcurtis> is*
[01:13] <bcurtis> anyone?
[01:13] <ethana21> 'normal'?
[01:13] <ethana21> should the release behave that way?
[01:13] <ethana21> if not, make sure a bug has been filed
[01:13] <bcurtis> good point... bad wording
[01:13] <bcurtis> is that whats happening right now ?
[01:14]  * ethana21 doesn't knwo
[01:14] <ethana21> know***
[01:14] <bcurtis> you're using intrepid.. right?
[01:15] <ethana21> I'm asking if today is a good day to dist-upgrade
[01:15] <ethana21> i've alpha tested before
[01:15] <ethana21> i know not to run updates without asking about them first
[01:15] <bcurtis> um, i wouldn't
[01:16] <bcurtis> its usable, and i guess it would be bad for me not to say all help is beneficial
[01:16] <bcurtis> so if you don't mind a few noticable errors, you can
[01:21] <ethana21> as I said, I have alpha tested before...
[01:21]  * ethana21 checks alpha 4 release notes
[02:41] <DanaG> What the heck?  "Automatic login (dana)Password:"
[02:41] <DanaG> Oh, now they've separated autologin from passwordless login.
[02:46] <peanutb> Is anyone else getting messages like application X crashed would you like to report it, and finding that the application is still working and responsive
[02:57] <HomesKillit> anyword on Empathy being added to Ubuntu+1?
[02:57] <HomesKillit> oops, I guess I should go there
[04:26] <Lunks> Any flash website makes my cpu go up to 100%
[04:26] <Hobbsee> remove libflashsupport.
[04:29] <peanutb> Lunks: try using the flash 11 beta
[04:30] <Lunks> Hobbsee: it's not installed
[04:30] <Lunks> isn't flash player 10 already beta? O.o
[04:31] <peanutb> Lunks: i mean 10 RC
[04:31] <Lunks> hmm it's beta on intrepid, right?
[04:31] <peanutb> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/
[04:32] <peanutb> Lunks: i donno, i did an upgrade install
[04:33] <Hobbsee> hm
[04:33] <Lunks> me too, peanutb
[04:33] <peanutb> and upgrading seemed to fix sound issues
[04:33] <peanutb> i havent experienced the 100% cpu thing
[04:36] <peanutb> hows about 121%
[04:37] <peanutb> http://load.imageshack.us/
[04:37] <peanutb> err
[04:37] <peanutb> http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1063/screenshotkb7.png
[05:00] <AnAnt> Hello, how can I make network-manager not modify the nameserver & search entries in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[05:08] <telexicon> is flash video very slow for anyone else?
[05:33] <ethana21> what flash implementation?
[05:37] <DanaG> Wow, is it just me, or did font rendering change significantly, recently?
[05:38] <ethana21> for better or for worse?
[05:38] <DanaG> Worse, in my opinion.
[05:39] <ethana21> :(
[05:39] <ethana21> Does this have to do with antialiasing or sub-pixel hinting?
[05:39] <DanaG> Yeah.
[05:40] <ethana21> ..so like, both?
[05:40] <ethana21> sorry, ambiguous or
[05:40] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I remember one thing: due to restoring from some backup, I lost my "use legacy LCD filter" conf file.
[05:40] <DanaG> I've tried antialiasing with both "full" and "slight" (can't say I know exactly what "hinting" is, though I do know how "Cleartype" works).
[05:42] <DanaG> Hmm, even with the Legacy filter, it still doesn't look quite right.
[05:42] <Lunks> I like slight much better
[05:42] <Lunks> what's legacy lcd filter?
[05:43] <DanaG> It antialiases only corners, not along verticals.
[05:44] <Lunks> Hmm how to do it?
[05:44] <Lunks> It sounds good. :P
[05:44] <DanaG> http://johan.kiviniemi.name/blag/2008/01/12/ubuntu-hardy-fonts/
[05:45] <DanaG> But it still doesn't look as it did a few days ago, for some reason.
[05:45] <DanaG> And I wasn't using Legacy before.
[05:46] <Lunks> I believe fonts on Ubuntu will never look cooler than on a Mac.
[05:47] <ethana21> how do they look on osx?
[05:47] <DanaG> Eeh, I used to love the Ubuntu font rendering... up until I switched to Intrepid.
[05:47] <Lunks> I don't know how to explain, ethana21... just smooth where it has to be, and crispy where it belongs.
[05:48] <Lunks> DanaG: there's 'hintfull' on xml file, could I change to hintslight?
[05:48] <DanaG> Yeah.
[05:49] <ethana21> It's all a waste of time-- I talked to a monitor salesman the other day, and he told me what's up
[05:49] <telexicon> ok, so which one is the culprit?
[05:49] <ethana21> if you're worried about aliasing, your screen is too small
[05:50] <telexicon> xorg 1.5 or the new radeon driver in ibex?
[05:50] <ethana21> buy one of our 1920x1200 ones!
[05:50] <telexicon> flash is totally broken
[05:50] <ethana21> sounds like solid advice..
[05:50] <telexicon> flash video plays at about 1fps
[05:50] <Lunks> telexicon: I'm having 100% cpu on flash video
[05:50] <telexicon> Lunks, yea
[05:50] <DanaG> Oh yeah, 98 and 99 DPI settings look rather different.
[05:50] <Lunks> and flickering
[05:50] <Lunks> DanaG: I use 98dpi
[05:50] <telexicon> the firefox process jumps to 100% whenever flash comes up
[05:50] <telexicon> but, im pretty sure its not flash's fault because it didnt do this before
[05:51] <Lunks> telexicon: I disabled flash. It's faster than ever. :D
[05:51] <telexicon> that doesnt help me when i want to watch videos online
[05:51] <Lunks> Of course it's flash fault. :P
[05:51] <telexicon> no its not
[05:51] <telexicon> blame flash when its flash's fault
[05:51] <DanaG> My screen is 99.89 DPI.
[05:51] <Lunks> Did you upgrade to Intrepid recently?
[05:51] <telexicon> but dont blame everything on flash
[05:51] <telexicon> that ruins your credibility
[05:51] <telexicon> yes today
[05:51] <ethana21> I blame all my problems on nVidia
[05:51] <cycom> ethana21: I dunno, I worry about aliasing and I have a 1680x1050 screen on my laptop :)
[05:52] <DanaG> wtf... dpkg-reconfigure -plow fontconfig no longer gives ANY configurability!
[05:52] <Lunks> telexicon: guess what: intrepid introduces flash player 10 beta, which seems buggy
[05:52] <telexicon> every since ive upgraded to intrepid, flash video has been broken
[05:52] <DanaG> That's rather not nice.
[05:52] <telexicon> Lunks, it doesnt matter
[05:52] <DanaG> Now how am I supposed to reconfigure it?
[05:52] <telexicon> Lunks, ive used the new flash 10, the newest flash 10 (on flash's beta site)
[05:52] <telexicon> and also tried the older flash 9
[05:52] <ethana21> cycom: ...wow
[05:52] <telexicon> they all do the same thing
[05:52] <telexicon> its not flash
[05:52] <ethana21> heh
[05:52] <telexicon> its not flash, its not firefox 3
[05:53] <Lunks> telexicon: ok, it's all macromedia's fault.
[05:53] <telexicon> flash video was usable in hardy
[05:53] <telexicon> no
[05:53] <ethana21> I for one welcome our new silverlight overlords..
[05:53] <cycom> ethana21: Dell E1505 :) They even have discrete video cards in this bad boy
[05:53] <Lunks> for their monopoly on media content.
[05:53] <telexicon> those variables didnt change
[05:53] <telexicon> will you knock it off
[05:53] <telexicon> flash didnt change and firefox didnt change
[05:53] <cycom> telexicon: I'm using my Nvidia card to watch video right now. let me try my ATI one on my other laptop
[05:53] <telexicon> the things that changed were xorg and radeon drivers
[05:53] <Lunks> I'm on NVidia and I'm experience the same thing.
[05:54] <telexicon> ok
[05:54] <cycom> huh...that's odd.
[05:54] <telexicon> so maybe its something with Xorg
[05:54] <cycom> flash video works fine for me...
[05:54] <Lunks> cycom: did you check cpu usage?
[05:54] <Lunks> I, for instance, go to www.americanas.com (brazilian website with some flash, not even video) and cpu goes 100%
[05:55] <Lunks> telexicon: can I blame it on Xorg, then? =D
[05:55] <cycom> Xorg is using 22%
[05:55] <cycom> that's about it
[05:55] <telexicon> i dunno
[05:55] <cycom> oh, firefox is at 15%
[05:55] <cycom> are you running desktop effects?
[05:55] <telexicon> of course not
[05:56] <telexicon> why would i have that crap on?
[05:56] <telexicon> im already on a lower-end system
[05:56] <cycom> the website you sent me too did get a bit choppy
[05:56] <telexicon> it just seems like all the devs with their big fancy powerful rigs are racing off into high performance requirements
[05:57] <telexicon> and im stuck on a lower-end system, and everything is getting slower
[05:57] <cycom> also, I'd like to point out that I ran desktop effects (wobbly windows, expo, etc) on a TiBook with an 867mhz proc and a 32mb video card.
[05:57] <telexicon> i have 16mb video card
[05:58] <telexicon> ive run desktop effects in the past (it took some tweaking), but things would get scrambled
[06:01] <DanaG> Ugh, I can't get it to look good.
[06:01] <DanaG> I don't know what changed, but ouch.
[06:02] <cycom> DanaG: what looks bad?
[06:02] <cycom> your fonts?
[06:02] <DanaG> Fonts.
[06:02] <DanaG> Yeah.
[06:02] <DanaG> IT looked fine a week ago, I believe.
[06:03] <DanaG> wtf... fontconfig-config was set to "Never" for subpixel!
[06:03] <DanaG> That's wrong.
[06:03] <cycom> did you check out System->Prefernces->Appearence->Fonts?
[06:04] <DanaG> Yeah, I've tried all the settings.
[06:04] <cycom> and it was set to subpixel smoothing?
[06:04] <DanaG> Oh, and iwl3945 wifi driver is also way buggy.
[06:04] <DanaG> You try to rfkill it, and it actually DISABLES the interrupt!
[06:04] <DanaG> Bye bye, wifi!
[06:05] <DanaG> Oh wait, I know one thing that changed: I changed "DejaVu Sans" to just Sans.
[06:05] <DanaG> Apparently it's not an alias.
[06:06] <cycom> I just disabled and re-enabled my iwl3945 just fine...
[06:07] <DanaG> Try leaving it disabled for a while, and look in dmesg.
[06:08] <cycom> for how long?
[06:08] <DanaG> [20337.724638] iwl3945: MAC is in deep sleep!
[06:08] <DanaG> [20337.836426] iwl3945: WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC          -- these two lines repeat 3 times
[06:08] <DanaG> [20337.844942] ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:03:00.0 disabled
[06:08] <DanaG> 10 seconds may do it, or sometimes it takes longer.
[06:08] <cycom> ok, gimme a sec
[06:11] <DanaG> You end up having to unload and reload iwl3945.
[06:13] <DanaG> Argh, lameness: can't reload fontconfig on the fly.
[06:14] <cycom> DanaG: nope... nothing like that
[06:14] <DanaG> Odd.
[06:14]  * DanaG goes off to zap the x server, because otherwise he can't reload fontconfig info.
[06:15] <DanaG> Oh yeah, my fonts were perfectly fine LAST week; something just broke them this week.
[06:16] <cycom> well, it _is_ alpha software...
[06:20] <DanaG> Ouch, it's very literally giving me a headache.
[06:24] <Lunks> DanaG: Yeah, deja vu sans book looks better
[06:28] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/200707
[06:29] <Lunks> DanaG: increasing dpi changed my world
[06:29] <Lunks> brb
[06:30] <DanaG> Make sure DPI is correct for your display.
[06:34] <Lunks> Besides fonts on appearance, where else I should change DPI?
[06:35] <DanaG> That's all.
[06:35] <DanaG> Just make sure it matches the real DPI of your screen.
[06:35] <Lunks> Hmm how can I find out?
[06:35] <Lunks> 100dpi looks much, much better
[06:36] <DanaG> http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
[06:37] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I had an unofficial version of libcairo; I don't know how.
[06:37] <Lunks> It says 98.02ppi
[06:37] <Lunks> ppi = dpi?
[06:38] <DanaG> Yeah.
[06:38] <Lunks> I'll ignore it and use 100. :P
[06:38] <DanaG> wtf... somehow it got set to 94.
[06:39]  * DanaG goes off to reboot
[06:43] <DanaG> That fixed it.
[06:43] <DanaG> T'was the unofficial libcairo.
[06:44] <DanaG> Must've been the ones with the "Cleartype" sort of font rendering.... which I despise.
[06:46] <DanaG> Odd... Full and Medium look EXACTLY the same.
[06:46] <DanaG> Like, pixel-perfect, at least subjectively.
[07:00] <DanaG> For my next laptop, I'm strongly considering getting a 147DPI display.
[07:47] <kayess> Hiya, got intrepid running on my IBM R61 laptop -- got a few questions, not sure if they're bugs or not
[07:48] <kayess> It's running kubuntu alpha 4
[07:49] <cypherdelic> morning
[07:49] <kayess> First off, the splash screen. Sometimes it seems to cause X to be invisible after it starts and switching to a console just shows a corrupt image of the splash
[07:50] <cypherdelic> One question: How to deactiavate the Networkconnection-Systray-ICON? The Icon annoys me, i never need it. Please help
[07:54] <cypherdelic> i guess its Session > Network Applet xD
[09:21] <hubuntu> Network Manager applet is inisible since last week or so... anybody experiencing this?
[09:21] <hubuntu> it's really annoying since I'm testing nm with Mobile Broadband equipment...
[11:13] <Laney> Grr, getting skipping audio
[12:23] <kahrytan> I love this mockup, http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs31/i/2008/215/0/b/Interpid_Ibex_Mockup_Part_2_by_willwill100.png
[12:29] <PolitikerALT> yeah, it is rather good - but the login screen is undoable, I think
[12:35] <kahrytan> You got other mock ups?
[12:35] <kahrytan> screenshots of that mockup
[12:38] <zniavre> http://danrabbit.deviantart.com/art/Willwill-s-Intrepid-GDM-94051500
[12:44] <kahrytan> Why is it not possible?
[12:46] <kahrytan> Ubuntu needs to dump normal grub though and switch to gfxboot
[12:46] <kahrytan> like most other distros have done now
[12:48] <zniavre> never tried other distro ...
[12:48] <kahrytan> the old cli grub no longer looks good
[12:50] <kahrytan> ill take this boot splash (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/351969105_18d03118ed.jpg?v=0) over ubuntu traditional anyday
[13:50] <cypherdelic> Hello. Please, where to put *.fw files (firmware) in Ibex? I cant find /lib/firmware/2.6.25...? Please help.
[14:01] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[14:12] <deucalion> hi! anyone using networkmanager v0.7 from ppa and had problems with dhcp? there seems to be a communication issue on the dbus level... dhclient doesn't communicate its data back to nm after recieving configuration data and I don't know how to fix/debug this... any ideas? (using 2.6.26 on a wired connection with dhcp3-client v3.1)
[14:12] <deucalion> (or is there an irc channel for network-manager/dbus, by any chance?)
[14:13] <deucalion> ah... #nm
[14:13] <deucalion> sorry for the noise ;)
[14:30] <regel> how stable is intrepid atm?
[14:31] <s0u][ight> regel: it is still alpha software it speaks for itself
[14:31] <s0u][ight> everything is in a way still broken
[14:31] <regel> i know, but i've always started using ubuntu+1 in a3-stage, and they've been pretty stable
[14:31] <s0u][ight> a4 is out :)
[14:32] <regel> well... quess it's time to start living on the edge again
[14:32] <regel> ..
[14:32] <s0u][ight> :D regel i remember you from somewhere can you help me?
[14:33] <regel> that depends on the problem :)
[14:33] <s0u][ight> meaning where do i know you from?
[14:33] <regel> hmm
[14:34] <regel> i used to be pretty active in ubuntuforums.org
[14:34] <regel> and every now and then i get an hour or so to help in #ubuntu
[14:34] <regel> and in #ubuntu-fi
[14:34] <s0u][ight> hmm did you ever joined #shnix and ever translated with launchpad?
[14:35] <s0u][ight> meaning invited to that channel
[14:35] <regel> nope, never joined, but im part of the finnish translators of ubuntu
[14:36] <s0u][ight> regel: now ive remembered :D we had a little conv a while ago in #ubuntu
[14:36] <regel> :) very possible
[14:36] <regel> or was it in ubuntu-offtopic?
[14:37] <s0u][ight> dont remember that
[14:37] <regel> if u mean the debate on russia-georgia war
[14:37] <s0u][ight> no long ago
[14:37] <regel> :)
[15:09] <kaarel> hello, can someone help me with the problem of deafult theme not loading after log in?
[15:10] <s0u][ight> kaarel: i think thats a known bug
[15:14] <kaarel> oh, do you have a link to launchpad for that bug?
[15:17] <s0u][ight> kaarel: look at the known bugs list here http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha4
[15:17] <s0u][ight> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/257317
[15:18] <s0u][ight> cool skill of the bot
[15:26] <kaarel> thanks
[15:27] <mohkohn_> Is Intrepid goint to support the wireless and nic on the EEEPC 701 out of the box?
[15:55] <tipote_> Hi all ! I'd like to help debugging bug #247393, and I have been suggested by kde guys to downgrade to qt 4.4.0 to see if 4.4.1 is the root of the issue. Can I easily downgrade ?
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> tipote_: that bug was reported before 4.4.1
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> There was a systray bug introduced with Qt 4.4.1
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> but we included a patch to kdebase-workspace to fix it
[16:05] <tipote_> JontheEchidna : how do you know that ? That would be interesting to check.
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> tipote_: reported date is before Qt 4.4.1's release date
[16:07] <tipote_> JontheEchidna : well, that's a good point !
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[16:08] <tipote_> JontheEchidna : for completeness, what patch are you refering to ?
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> uh, just a minute
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> hmm, maybe it wasn't workspace
[16:10] <tipote_> I can't see it there either
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> KDE released a patch that we used
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> maybe it was for Qt itself...
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> You could ask apachelogger
[16:13] <tipote_> JontheEchidna : hmm, I see something in qt4-x11
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that's the patch
[16:14] <tipote_> "Add kubuntu_08_systray_fix.diff, should fix systray not showing icons"
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> You have a systray that's blank, right?
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> still has width, etc, but is totally black
[16:17] <tipote_> JontheEchidna: Not black but totally filled with garbage from other parts of the screen
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> then no that's not Qt related
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> the ubuntu bug should even have a link to the proper KDE bug report
[16:18] <tipote_> JontheEchidna: I'm afraid the KDE bug report is not the right one, because it's about icons _background_ being replaced by garbage
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> never heard of that one
[16:21] <DanaG> Grrr... nvidia.
[16:21] <DanaG> Stupid video driver gave severe video corruption on resume from suspend.
[16:57] <asfak> why as user i can't access windows drive from dolphin in kubuntu intrepid a4 ?
[19:41] <andre_pl> if I revert my apt sources to hardy and upgrade again will everything roll back? or is that too much magic to ask for?
[19:42] <DanaG> andre_pl: it's "possible" to downgrade, but it's quite rather tricky, and risky.
[19:42] <Pici> andre_pl: too much to ask for
[19:42] <DanaG> Too much chance of breakage.
[19:43] <andre_pl> Not too worried about breakage. intrepid is pretty broken anyway :P
[19:43] <LSD|Ninja> Isn't breakage all part of the fun of Linux?
[19:44] <andre_pl> its either breakage, or I have to go buy some blank cd's and burn and reinstall.. and I dont want to go anywhere. :P
[19:44] <andre_pl> all for zsnes. :P
[19:48] <IdleOne> andre_pl, save the aggravation and go get the cd's
[19:48] <andre_pl> bah. that's like an hour long bus ride.
[19:49] <andre_pl> i'd rather spend 12 hours making zsnes work. :P
[19:49] <DanaG> You can always just not update the Intrepid system for a while.
[19:49] <DanaG> Or just stick with Intrepid.
[19:49] <IdleOne> will take you long to try and fix the breakage from rolling ( trying that is ) back
[19:49] <DanaG> What's broken with zsnes?
[19:49] <andre_pl> doesn't run at all, tried the version in repos, and compiling from 1.51 and 1.51b source code.
[19:50] <andre_pl> just core dumps
[19:50] <Pici> bugs filed?
[19:50] <DanaG> Tried running it in gdb?
[19:51] <andre_pl> i dont really know how to use gdb.
[19:51] <DanaG> Simplest part of how to use it:
[19:51] <DanaG> gdb program_name
[19:52] <andre_pl> did that.
[19:52] <DanaG> 'r'  (to run)
[19:52] <andre_pl> k
[19:52] <DanaG> 'bt' (to backtrace)
[19:52] <DanaG> ... once it dumps, that is.
[19:52] <DanaG> and 'q' to quit.
[19:52] <andre_pl> cool
[19:52] <andre_pl> got it.
[19:52] <DanaG> Of course, don't include the single-quote marks.  =þ
[19:52] <andre_pl> http://rafb.net/p/qJNiFv98.html
[19:54] <andre_pl> doesn't seem very helpful. zsnes itself dumps a lot more data than that when it dies
[19:59] <DanaG> Aah, needs some sort of dbgsym packages.
[19:59] <DanaG> !dbgsym
[20:00] <DanaG> wtf... I clicked a link, and it opened in a completely untitled web browser.
[20:00] <DanaG> "Nopaste - No Description" -- what about the program name?
[20:00] <DanaG> Help->About:
[20:00] <DanaG> Web Browser 2.22.3
[20:01] <DanaG> What kind of person names their web browser ""
[20:01] <DanaG> As in empty string?
[20:01] <DanaG> Or "Web Browser" ?
[20:01] <DanaG> ... and Firefox IS set as default browser in Gnome.
[20:01] <andre_pl> ?
[20:01] <andre_pl> wierd.
[20:02] <DanaG>  /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser -> /usr/bin/epiphany-gecko
[20:02] <DanaG> Odd... I never set that.
[20:02] <andre_pl> there is no dbg package for zsnes, but I have the source code, I can compile it however i need to if its going to help track down the problem.
[20:03] <DanaG> There are 3 alternatives which provide `x-www-browser'.       1    /usr/bin/xlinks2    2    /usr/bin/epiphany-webkit    3    /usr/bin/epiphany-gecko
[20:03] <DanaG> Where's my Firefox?
[20:03] <DanaG> ARGH!
[20:03] <DanaG> GIVE ME BACK MY FIREFOX!
[20:07] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/185622/comments/21
[20:08] <andre_pl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zsnes/+bug/259846
[20:08] <andre_pl> is that bug report ok?
[20:08] <DanaG> Even better... removing Epiphany makes it use links2 to open web links!
[20:08] <DanaG> ARGH!
[20:09] <DanaG> I don't know; that page doesn't work in links2.
[20:09] <DanaG> =þ
[20:09] <andre_pl> llol
[20:10] <DanaG> note to self: don't use Firefox betas... it breaks the existing Firefox, rather than restricting itself to adding a new one.
[20:12] <DanaG> Aah, installing the dbgsym debs would help, perhaps.
[20:12] <DanaG> ... after reinstalling the packaged version, of course.
[20:13] <andre_pl> pkg-create-dbgsym?
[20:14] <DanaG> !dbgsym
[20:14] <DanaG> It needs adding to sources.list.
[20:18] <andre_pl> okok, I installed zsnes-dbgsym but gdb zsnes says "No Debugging Symbols Found"
[20:19] <astra-xwork> after I do an initial, first time "apt-get upgrade" i get this error: http://pastebin.ca/1179930
[20:19] <astra-xwork> yet I am not running ibex, this is a standard 8.04 install
[20:26] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm not sure what else to do for that crash.
[20:27] <astra-xwork> it seems like unsolvable bug
[20:27] <astra-xwork> and my dedicated server has that image with that bug
[20:27] <DanaG> I do get a few lines more information under GDB.
[20:27] <DanaG> Perhaps add the output of 'bt' to the bug report.
[20:28] <astra-xwork> is there anyway to break and reset aptitude?
[20:28] <DanaG> Backtrace stopped: previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)
[20:28] <DanaG> Reset aptitude?
[20:28] <DanaG> It'll abort on ctrl-backslash.
[20:28] <DanaG> But make sure you're at a point where it's safe to do so.
[20:28] <DanaG> Or do you just mean unset changes?  That's under "Actions"
[20:29] <astra-xwork> DanaG, are you talking at me
[20:29] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the thing about backtrace was for andre_pl; the thing about aptitude was for astra-xwork.
[20:31] <andre_pl> DanaG: unsolvable bug?
[20:32] <astra-xwork> sorry
[20:32] <astra-xwork> anyway i found a solution to my problem
[20:32] <astra-xwork> it is literally mkdir /lib/modules/2.6.26
[20:32] <astra-xwork>  /duh
[20:39] <mattik> Hello, What is right keyboard layout for scandinavian Asus M6000 laptop
[20:40] <mattik> I'm using Finnish, but I don't know what is right keyboard model
[20:43] <ma10> lol.. i just made the latest updates to my intrepid server installation. now when i try to login (console, ssh) all i get is the motd and "Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session". Then another login prompt.
[20:43]  * ma10 is dazed
[20:44] <tipote_> Is there a working profiling solution (with a GUI) in intrepid ? I can't build sysprof-module, and oprof_start refuses to be executed (missing library)...
[20:57] <ma10> mhh some 4$$h013 was trying to bruteforce my ssh
[21:00] <tipote_> By the way, I can't find any linux-image-debug package with vmlinux. That was shipped for edgy at least according to google; is it still somewhere for the current kernels ?
[21:26] <DanaG> Arg, now my suspend no longer works properly.
[21:26] <DanaG> When I resume, I get a black screen.... and NetworkManager thinks wireless is disabled.
[21:26] <DanaG> .. so I have to uncheck "enable networking" and then re-check "enable networking".
[21:41] <bobg3> hello
[22:07] <johninlex> hello all
[22:12] <slangasek> hi, would an operator mind adding the following to the topic?: libpam-runtime 1.0.1-2ubuntu1 badly broken, see bug #259867
[22:12] <slangasek> (on the subject of "Only developers comfortable with recovering system from total system failure should use it")
[22:13] <slangasek> !ops
[22:13] <slangasek> well, not "emergency", but :P
[22:31] <DanaG> gnome bug 133318
[22:31] <Flannel> slangasek: in the future you can ask in #ubuntu-ops, in a nice relaxed manner :)
[22:31] <DanaG> the changelog thingy just says "#133318" -- that's not very useful.
[22:31] <slangasek> Flannel: heh, noted
[22:32] <DanaG> gnome bug 545275
[22:32] <DanaG> there's no way to trigger this by /msg.
[22:34] <DanaG> bug 259867
[22:35] <DanaG> Oh yeah, update-manager does not show versions.
[22:37] <DanaG> I have a policy of not installing updates if I can't see changelogs.
[22:37] <DanaG> It's handily kept me one round back, so I miss things like that pam breakage (no changelog == I haven't installed it, and thus now I can see the message in the channel).
[23:28] <dupondje> wtf :)
[23:28] <dupondje> seems like my pass is gone ... :s
[23:28] <dupondje> can't login anymore to my pc :s
[23:29] <dupondje> can login ... but it gets back to login directly :s
[23:29] <dupondje> wtf :p
[23:29] <RAOF> dupondje: See /topic ?
[23:30] <dupondje> oh sweet :P
[23:56] <Lunks> I'm trying to install LAMP package using tasksel and although there is an apt-get proccess running, it won't leave 0%! How can I positively know it's getting packages, or if I can't, how to properly install lamp without tasksel?