[00:43] How are updates treating us today? [00:43] any major breakage? [00:48] hey there [00:49] Taku: hi [00:49] :) [00:49] people, is anyone experiencing problems with apache here ? [00:56] if the "low graphics mode" start to intrepid normal? [00:57] is* [01:13] anyone? [01:13] 'normal'? [01:13] should the release behave that way? [01:13] if not, make sure a bug has been filed [01:13] good point... bad wording [01:13] is that whats happening right now ? [01:14] * ethana21 doesn't knwo [01:14] know*** [01:14] you're using intrepid.. right? [01:15] I'm asking if today is a good day to dist-upgrade [01:15] i've alpha tested before [01:15] i know not to run updates without asking about them first [01:15] um, i wouldn't [01:16] its usable, and i guess it would be bad for me not to say all help is beneficial [01:16] so if you don't mind a few noticable errors, you can [01:21] as I said, I have alpha tested before... [01:21] * ethana21 checks alpha 4 release notes === LSD|Ninj1 is now known as LSD|Ninja [02:41] What the heck? "Automatic login (dana)Password:" [02:41] Oh, now they've separated autologin from passwordless login. [02:46] Is anyone else getting messages like application X crashed would you like to report it, and finding that the application is still working and responsive [02:57] anyword on Empathy being added to Ubuntu+1? [02:57] oops, I guess I should go there [04:26] Any flash website makes my cpu go up to 100% [04:26] remove libflashsupport. [04:29] Lunks: try using the flash 11 beta [04:30] Hobbsee: it's not installed [04:30] isn't flash player 10 already beta? O.o [04:31] Lunks: i mean 10 RC [04:31] hmm it's beta on intrepid, right? [04:31] http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ [04:32] Lunks: i donno, i did an upgrade install [04:33] hm [04:33] me too, peanutb [04:33] and upgrading seemed to fix sound issues [04:33] i havent experienced the 100% cpu thing [04:36] hows about 121% [04:37] http://load.imageshack.us/ [04:37] err [04:37] http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1063/screenshotkb7.png [05:00] Hello, how can I make network-manager not modify the nameserver & search entries in /etc/resolv.conf ? [05:08] is flash video very slow for anyone else? [05:33] what flash implementation? [05:37] Wow, is it just me, or did font rendering change significantly, recently? [05:38] for better or for worse? [05:38] Worse, in my opinion. [05:39] :( [05:39] Does this have to do with antialiasing or sub-pixel hinting? [05:39] Yeah. [05:40] ..so like, both? [05:40] sorry, ambiguous or [05:40] Oh yeah, I remember one thing: due to restoring from some backup, I lost my "use legacy LCD filter" conf file. [05:40] I've tried antialiasing with both "full" and "slight" (can't say I know exactly what "hinting" is, though I do know how "Cleartype" works). [05:42] Hmm, even with the Legacy filter, it still doesn't look quite right. [05:42] I like slight much better [05:42] what's legacy lcd filter? [05:43] It antialiases only corners, not along verticals. [05:44] Hmm how to do it? [05:44] It sounds good. :P [05:44] http://johan.kiviniemi.name/blag/2008/01/12/ubuntu-hardy-fonts/ [05:45] But it still doesn't look as it did a few days ago, for some reason. [05:45] And I wasn't using Legacy before. [05:46] I believe fonts on Ubuntu will never look cooler than on a Mac. [05:47] how do they look on osx? [05:47] Eeh, I used to love the Ubuntu font rendering... up until I switched to Intrepid. [05:47] I don't know how to explain, ethana21... just smooth where it has to be, and crispy where it belongs. [05:48] DanaG: there's 'hintfull' on xml file, could I change to hintslight? [05:48] Yeah. [05:49] It's all a waste of time-- I talked to a monitor salesman the other day, and he told me what's up [05:49] ok, so which one is the culprit? [05:49] if you're worried about aliasing, your screen is too small [05:50] xorg 1.5 or the new radeon driver in ibex? [05:50] buy one of our 1920x1200 ones! [05:50] flash is totally broken [05:50] sounds like solid advice.. [05:50] flash video plays at about 1fps [05:50] telexicon: I'm having 100% cpu on flash video [05:50] Lunks, yea [05:50] Oh yeah, 98 and 99 DPI settings look rather different. [05:50] and flickering [05:50] DanaG: I use 98dpi [05:50] the firefox process jumps to 100% whenever flash comes up [05:50] but, im pretty sure its not flash's fault because it didnt do this before [05:51] telexicon: I disabled flash. It's faster than ever. :D [05:51] that doesnt help me when i want to watch videos online [05:51] Of course it's flash fault. :P [05:51] no its not [05:51] blame flash when its flash's fault [05:51] My screen is 99.89 DPI. [05:51] Did you upgrade to Intrepid recently? [05:51] but dont blame everything on flash [05:51] that ruins your credibility [05:51] yes today [05:51] I blame all my problems on nVidia [05:51] ethana21: I dunno, I worry about aliasing and I have a 1680x1050 screen on my laptop :) [05:52] wtf... dpkg-reconfigure -plow fontconfig no longer gives ANY configurability! [05:52] telexicon: guess what: intrepid introduces flash player 10 beta, which seems buggy [05:52] every since ive upgraded to intrepid, flash video has been broken [05:52] That's rather not nice. [05:52] Lunks, it doesnt matter [05:52] Now how am I supposed to reconfigure it? [05:52] Lunks, ive used the new flash 10, the newest flash 10 (on flash's beta site) [05:52] and also tried the older flash 9 [05:52] cycom: ...wow [05:52] they all do the same thing [05:52] its not flash [05:52] heh [05:52] its not flash, its not firefox 3 [05:53] telexicon: ok, it's all macromedia's fault. [05:53] flash video was usable in hardy [05:53] no [05:53] I for one welcome our new silverlight overlords.. [05:53] ethana21: Dell E1505 :) They even have discrete video cards in this bad boy [05:53] for their monopoly on media content. [05:53] those variables didnt change [05:53] will you knock it off [05:53] flash didnt change and firefox didnt change [05:53] telexicon: I'm using my Nvidia card to watch video right now. let me try my ATI one on my other laptop [05:53] the things that changed were xorg and radeon drivers [05:53] I'm on NVidia and I'm experience the same thing. [05:54] ok [05:54] huh...that's odd. [05:54] so maybe its something with Xorg [05:54] flash video works fine for me... [05:54] cycom: did you check cpu usage? [05:54] I, for instance, go to www.americanas.com (brazilian website with some flash, not even video) and cpu goes 100% [05:55] telexicon: can I blame it on Xorg, then? =D [05:55] Xorg is using 22% [05:55] that's about it [05:55] i dunno [05:55] oh, firefox is at 15% [05:55] are you running desktop effects? [05:55] of course not [05:56] why would i have that crap on? [05:56] im already on a lower-end system [05:56] the website you sent me too did get a bit choppy [05:56] it just seems like all the devs with their big fancy powerful rigs are racing off into high performance requirements [05:57] and im stuck on a lower-end system, and everything is getting slower [05:57] also, I'd like to point out that I ran desktop effects (wobbly windows, expo, etc) on a TiBook with an 867mhz proc and a 32mb video card. [05:57] i have 16mb video card [05:58] ive run desktop effects in the past (it took some tweaking), but things would get scrambled [06:01] Ugh, I can't get it to look good. [06:01] I don't know what changed, but ouch. [06:02] DanaG: what looks bad? [06:02] your fonts? [06:02] Fonts. [06:02] Yeah. [06:02] IT looked fine a week ago, I believe. [06:03] wtf... fontconfig-config was set to "Never" for subpixel! [06:03] That's wrong. [06:03] did you check out System->Prefernces->Appearence->Fonts? [06:04] Yeah, I've tried all the settings. [06:04] and it was set to subpixel smoothing? [06:04] Oh, and iwl3945 wifi driver is also way buggy. [06:04] You try to rfkill it, and it actually DISABLES the interrupt! [06:04] Bye bye, wifi! [06:05] Oh wait, I know one thing that changed: I changed "DejaVu Sans" to just Sans. [06:05] Apparently it's not an alias. [06:06] I just disabled and re-enabled my iwl3945 just fine... [06:07] Try leaving it disabled for a while, and look in dmesg. [06:08] for how long? [06:08] [20337.724638] iwl3945: MAC is in deep sleep! [06:08] [20337.836426] iwl3945: WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC -- these two lines repeat 3 times [06:08] [20337.844942] ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:03:00.0 disabled [06:08] 10 seconds may do it, or sometimes it takes longer. [06:08] ok, gimme a sec [06:11] You end up having to unload and reload iwl3945. [06:13] Argh, lameness: can't reload fontconfig on the fly. [06:14] DanaG: nope... nothing like that [06:14] Odd. [06:14] * DanaG goes off to zap the x server, because otherwise he can't reload fontconfig info. === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [06:15] Oh yeah, my fonts were perfectly fine LAST week; something just broke them this week. [06:16] well, it _is_ alpha software... === Sebast1an is now known as Sebastian [06:20] Ouch, it's very literally giving me a headache. [06:24] DanaG: Yeah, deja vu sans book looks better [06:28] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/200707 [06:28] Launchpad bug 200707 in fontconfig "fontconfig does not honor hintslight, hintmedium, hintfull" [Undecided,New] [06:29] DanaG: increasing dpi changed my world [06:29] brb [06:30] Make sure DPI is correct for your display. [06:34] Besides fonts on appearance, where else I should change DPI? [06:35] That's all. [06:35] Just make sure it matches the real DPI of your screen. [06:35] Hmm how can I find out? [06:35] 100dpi looks much, much better [06:36] http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html [06:37] Oh yeah, I had an unofficial version of libcairo; I don't know how. [06:37] It says 98.02ppi [06:37] ppi = dpi? [06:38] Yeah. [06:38] I'll ignore it and use 100. :P [06:38] wtf... somehow it got set to 94. [06:39] * DanaG goes off to reboot [06:43] That fixed it. [06:43] T'was the unofficial libcairo. [06:44] Must've been the ones with the "Cleartype" sort of font rendering.... which I despise. [06:46] Odd... Full and Medium look EXACTLY the same. [06:46] Like, pixel-perfect, at least subjectively. [07:00] For my next laptop, I'm strongly considering getting a 147DPI display. === Hobbsee` is now known as Hobbsee [07:47] Hiya, got intrepid running on my IBM R61 laptop -- got a few questions, not sure if they're bugs or not [07:48] It's running kubuntu alpha 4 [07:49] morning [07:49] First off, the splash screen. Sometimes it seems to cause X to be invisible after it starts and switching to a console just shows a corrupt image of the splash [07:50] One question: How to deactiavate the Networkconnection-Systray-ICON? The Icon annoys me, i never need it. Please help [07:54] i guess its Session > Network Applet xD === fargiolas|afk is now known as fargiolas [09:21] Network Manager applet is inisible since last week or so... anybody experiencing this? [09:21] it's really annoying since I'm testing nm with Mobile Broadband equipment... === DreamThief is now known as LameSucker === WhiskeySour is now known as DreamThief === LameSucker is now known as WhiskeySour [11:13] Grr, getting skipping audio === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [12:23] I love this mockup, http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs31/i/2008/215/0/b/Interpid_Ibex_Mockup_Part_2_by_willwill100.png [12:29] yeah, it is rather good - but the login screen is undoable, I think [12:35] You got other mock ups? [12:35] screenshots of that mockup [12:38] http://danrabbit.deviantart.com/art/Willwill-s-Intrepid-GDM-94051500 [12:44] Why is it not possible? [12:46] Ubuntu needs to dump normal grub though and switch to gfxboot [12:46] like most other distros have done now [12:48] never tried other distro ... [12:48] the old cli grub no longer looks good [12:50] ill take this boot splash (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/351969105_18d03118ed.jpg?v=0) over ubuntu traditional anyday [13:50] Hello. Please, where to put *.fw files (firmware) in Ibex? I cant find /lib/firmware/2.6.25...? Please help. [14:01] hi guys [14:12] hi! anyone using networkmanager v0.7 from ppa and had problems with dhcp? there seems to be a communication issue on the dbus level... dhclient doesn't communicate its data back to nm after recieving configuration data and I don't know how to fix/debug this... any ideas? (using 2.6.26 on a wired connection with dhcp3-client v3.1) [14:12] (or is there an irc channel for network-manager/dbus, by any chance?) [14:13] ah... #nm [14:13] sorry for the noise ;) [14:30] how stable is intrepid atm? [14:31] regel: it is still alpha software it speaks for itself [14:31] everything is in a way still broken [14:31] i know, but i've always started using ubuntu+1 in a3-stage, and they've been pretty stable [14:31] a4 is out :) [14:32] well... quess it's time to start living on the edge again [14:32] .. [14:32] :D regel i remember you from somewhere can you help me? [14:33] that depends on the problem :) [14:33] meaning where do i know you from? [14:33] hmm [14:34] i used to be pretty active in ubuntuforums.org [14:34] and every now and then i get an hour or so to help in #ubuntu [14:34] and in #ubuntu-fi [14:34] hmm did you ever joined #shnix and ever translated with launchpad? [14:35] meaning invited to that channel [14:35] nope, never joined, but im part of the finnish translators of ubuntu [14:36] regel: now ive remembered :D we had a little conv a while ago in #ubuntu [14:36] :) very possible [14:36] or was it in ubuntu-offtopic? [14:37] dont remember that [14:37] if u mean the debate on russia-georgia war [14:37] no long ago [14:37] :) [15:09] hello, can someone help me with the problem of deafult theme not loading after log in? [15:10] kaarel: i think thats a known bug [15:14] oh, do you have a link to launchpad for that bug? [15:17] kaarel: look at the known bugs list here http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha4 [15:17] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/257317 [15:17] Launchpad bug 257317 in human-theme "Default theme does not work" [Undecided,New] [15:18] cool skill of the bot [15:26] thanks [15:27] Is Intrepid goint to support the wireless and nic on the EEEPC 701 out of the box? [15:55] Hi all ! I'd like to help debugging bug #247393, and I have been suggested by kde guys to downgrade to qt 4.4.0 to see if 4.4.1 is the root of the issue. Can I easily downgrade ? [15:55] Launchpad bug 247393 in kdebase-workspace "[Intrepid KDE4] regression -- systray is incorrectly painted" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/247393 [16:03] tipote_: that bug was reported before 4.4.1 [16:04] There was a systray bug introduced with Qt 4.4.1 [16:04] but we included a patch to kdebase-workspace to fix it [16:05] JontheEchidna : how do you know that ? That would be interesting to check. [16:05] tipote_: reported date is before Qt 4.4.1's release date [16:07] JontheEchidna : well, that's a good point ! [16:07] ;-) [16:08] JontheEchidna : for completeness, what patch are you refering to ? [16:08] uh, just a minute [16:09] hmm, maybe it wasn't workspace [16:10] I can't see it there either [16:10] KDE released a patch that we used [16:10] maybe it was for Qt itself... [16:11] You could ask apachelogger [16:13] JontheEchidna : hmm, I see something in qt4-x11 [16:13] yeah, that's the patch [16:14] "Add kubuntu_08_systray_fix.diff, should fix systray not showing icons" [16:14] You have a systray that's blank, right? [16:14] still has width, etc, but is totally black [16:17] JontheEchidna: Not black but totally filled with garbage from other parts of the screen [16:17] oh [16:17] then no that's not Qt related [16:17] the ubuntu bug should even have a link to the proper KDE bug report [16:18] JontheEchidna: I'm afraid the KDE bug report is not the right one, because it's about icons _background_ being replaced by garbage [16:19] oh [16:19] never heard of that one === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [16:21] Grrr... nvidia. [16:21] Stupid video driver gave severe video corruption on resume from suspend. [16:57] why as user i can't access windows drive from dolphin in kubuntu intrepid a4 ? === WhiskeySour is now known as DreamThief === marko_ is now known as marko-_- === Sebast1an is now known as Sebastian === geser_ is now known as geser [19:41] if I revert my apt sources to hardy and upgrade again will everything roll back? or is that too much magic to ask for? [19:42] andre_pl: it's "possible" to downgrade, but it's quite rather tricky, and risky. [19:42] andre_pl: too much to ask for [19:42] Too much chance of breakage. [19:43] Not too worried about breakage. intrepid is pretty broken anyway :P [19:43] Isn't breakage all part of the fun of Linux? [19:44] its either breakage, or I have to go buy some blank cd's and burn and reinstall.. and I dont want to go anywhere. :P [19:44] all for zsnes. :P [19:48] andre_pl, save the aggravation and go get the cd's [19:48] bah. that's like an hour long bus ride. [19:49] i'd rather spend 12 hours making zsnes work. :P [19:49] You can always just not update the Intrepid system for a while. [19:49] Or just stick with Intrepid. [19:49] will take you long to try and fix the breakage from rolling ( trying that is ) back [19:49] What's broken with zsnes? [19:49] doesn't run at all, tried the version in repos, and compiling from 1.51 and 1.51b source code. [19:50] just core dumps [19:50] bugs filed? [19:50] Tried running it in gdb? [19:51] i dont really know how to use gdb. [19:51] Simplest part of how to use it: [19:51] gdb program_name [19:52] did that. [19:52] 'r' (to run) [19:52] k [19:52] 'bt' (to backtrace) [19:52] ... once it dumps, that is. [19:52] and 'q' to quit. [19:52] cool [19:52] got it. [19:52] Of course, don't include the single-quote marks. =þ [19:52] http://rafb.net/p/qJNiFv98.html [19:54] doesn't seem very helpful. zsnes itself dumps a lot more data than that when it dies [19:59] Aah, needs some sort of dbgsym packages. [19:59] !dbgsym [19:59] dbgsym is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash [20:00] wtf... I clicked a link, and it opened in a completely untitled web browser. [20:00] "Nopaste - No Description" -- what about the program name? [20:00] Help->About: [20:00] Web Browser 2.22.3 [20:01] What kind of person names their web browser "" [20:01] As in empty string? [20:01] Or "Web Browser" ? [20:01] ... and Firefox IS set as default browser in Gnome. [20:01] ? [20:01] wierd. [20:02] /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser -> /usr/bin/epiphany-gecko [20:02] Odd... I never set that. [20:02] there is no dbg package for zsnes, but I have the source code, I can compile it however i need to if its going to help track down the problem. [20:03] There are 3 alternatives which provide `x-www-browser'. 1 /usr/bin/xlinks2 2 /usr/bin/epiphany-webkit 3 /usr/bin/epiphany-gecko [20:03] Where's my Firefox? [20:03] ARGH! [20:03] GIVE ME BACK MY FIREFOX! [20:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/185622/comments/21 [20:07] Launchpad bug 185622 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox 3 doesn't act as the default browser" [High,Fix released] [20:08] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zsnes/+bug/259846 [20:08] Launchpad bug 259846 in zsnes "zsnes core dumps" [Undecided,New] [20:08] is that bug report ok? [20:08] Even better... removing Epiphany makes it use links2 to open web links! [20:08] ARGH! [20:09] I don't know; that page doesn't work in links2. [20:09] =þ [20:09] llol [20:10] note to self: don't use Firefox betas... it breaks the existing Firefox, rather than restricting itself to adding a new one. [20:12] Aah, installing the dbgsym debs would help, perhaps. [20:12] ... after reinstalling the packaged version, of course. [20:13] pkg-create-dbgsym? [20:14] !dbgsym [20:14] dbgsym is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash [20:14] It needs adding to sources.list. [20:18] okok, I installed zsnes-dbgsym but gdb zsnes says "No Debugging Symbols Found" [20:19] after I do an initial, first time "apt-get upgrade" i get this error: http://pastebin.ca/1179930 [20:19] yet I am not running ibex, this is a standard 8.04 install [20:26] Hmm, I'm not sure what else to do for that crash. [20:27] it seems like unsolvable bug [20:27] and my dedicated server has that image with that bug [20:27] I do get a few lines more information under GDB. [20:27] Perhaps add the output of 'bt' to the bug report. [20:28] is there anyway to break and reset aptitude? [20:28] Backtrace stopped: previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) [20:28] Reset aptitude? [20:28] It'll abort on ctrl-backslash. [20:28] But make sure you're at a point where it's safe to do so. [20:28] Or do you just mean unset changes? That's under "Actions" [20:29] DanaG, are you talking at me [20:29] Oh yeah, the thing about backtrace was for andre_pl; the thing about aptitude was for astra-xwork. [20:31] DanaG: unsolvable bug? [20:32] sorry [20:32] anyway i found a solution to my problem [20:32] it is literally mkdir /lib/modules/2.6.26 [20:32] /duh [20:39] Hello, What is right keyboard layout for scandinavian Asus M6000 laptop [20:40] I'm using Finnish, but I don't know what is right keyboard model [20:43] lol.. i just made the latest updates to my intrepid server installation. now when i try to login (console, ssh) all i get is the motd and "Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session". Then another login prompt. [20:43] * ma10 is dazed === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [20:44] Is there a working profiling solution (with a GUI) in intrepid ? I can't build sysprof-module, and oprof_start refuses to be executed (missing library)... === loa is now known as another_loa [20:57] mhh some 4$$h013 was trying to bruteforce my ssh [21:00] By the way, I can't find any linux-image-debug package with vmlinux. That was shipped for edgy at least according to google; is it still somewhere for the current kernels ? [21:26] Arg, now my suspend no longer works properly. [21:26] When I resume, I get a black screen.... and NetworkManager thinks wireless is disabled. [21:26] .. so I have to uncheck "enable networking" and then re-check "enable networking". [21:41] hello [22:07] hello all [22:12] hi, would an operator mind adding the following to the topic?: libpam-runtime 1.0.1-2ubuntu1 badly broken, see bug #259867 [22:12] Launchpad bug 259867 in pam "[PAM] Unable to login: Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259867 [22:12] (on the subject of "Only developers comfortable with recovering system from total system failure should use it") [22:13] !ops [22:13] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, or Flannel! [22:13] well, not "emergency", but :P === Mez changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to the home of the Intrepid Ibex, the code name for the next release of Ubuntu due out in October. For more info, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex Intrepid is ALPHA software, and we do NOT recommend users upgrade at this time. Only developers comfortable with recovering system from total system failure should use it. | libpam-runtime 1.0.1-2ubuntu1 badly broken, see bug #259867 [22:31]