[00:00] <tearor> hi
[00:00] <tgm4883_laptop> !hi
[00:00] <Zinn> Thanks for being polite.  But we are so dang awesome at solving problems that we wish you would just ask your question.  Thanks.
[00:02] <tearor> okay, i've got an "!!! Unknown header type 7f" error in lspci in my new assembled mythbuntu-pc
[00:02] <tearor> the card works fine in my other machine
[00:03] <tearor> satelco easywatch dvb-c
[00:03] <tearor> i've read something about eeprom_fix, is that the way to fix it?
[00:04] <tgm4883_laptop> no idea
[00:04] <tearor> i already changed the pci slot and everything
[00:04] <tgm4883_laptop> never seen that error before
[00:05] <tgm4883_laptop> I don't use dvb-c cards either
[00:05] <tgm4883_laptop> but if I had to guess
[00:05] <tearor> yeah i thing it's a problem of all budget cards...
[00:05] <tgm4883_laptop> yes, that would sound like a reasonable fix, provided that you didn't just need to load firmware for it
[00:06] <tearor> the firmware was loaded after the first few boots- without any good reason it stopped working
[00:06] <tearor> that's why i think it's a eeprom (whatever that is) problem
[00:06] <tgm4883_laptop> IIRC, nothing in computers is random
[00:07] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, i don't think it's the eeprom from that description
[00:07] <tgm4883_laptop> but like I said, I don't know
[00:07] <tearor> okay thank you
[00:07] <tgm4883_laptop> maybe someone more knowledgable on that will stop by
[00:07] <tearor> i'm googeling a bit more
[00:07] <tearor> and idle
[01:08] <mb15432> is there a document that tells you how to go through the initial setup of mythbuntu using the alternate install cd?
[01:08] <mb15432> I seem to have messed up the database portion of it, and I don't see the section covering that in the users guide I downloaded.
[01:12] <mb15432> Installation Manual I mean.
[02:51] <squish102> can mythbuntu install on an LVM?
[02:53] <kernel_ghost> guys is it ok to upgrade from mythbuntu 7.10 to 8.04, no showstoppers?
[02:53] <kernel_ghost> I know on the website it says just follow the standard release upgrade instructions, but is there anything else to be aware of
[02:53] <squish102> kernel_ghost u use a remote?
[02:54] <kernel_ghost> squish102:  yes
[02:54] <squish102> let me know how it goes ;)
[02:54] <kernel_ghost> squish102: whys that
[02:54] <squish102> i did that upgrade, no big showstoppers other than for the life of me, i cannot get my remote working again after that
[02:55] <kernel_ghost> squish102:  ahh ok
[02:56] <squish102> in retrospect, i probably should have left a perfectly working 7.10
[02:56] <squish102> but sometimes you get drawn into upgrading
[02:57] <kernel_ghost> i have good reasons to upgrade, this is the oldest unit in a 4 mythbox setup, and i want to connect it in with the rest
[02:57] <superm1> squish102, yeah it can
[02:57] <superm1> but you need to use the alternate disk to do so
[02:58] <kernel_ghost> ?
[02:59] <squish102> superm1?
 can mythbuntu install on an LVM?
[03:05] <squish102> oh, thanks superm1
[06:20] <kernel_ghost> moment of truth people, doing mythbuntu 7.10 to 8.04 upgrade, if something dies I'm coming in here with an ak47
[06:20] <kernel_ghost> 1m 48s for package downloads to complete..
[06:28] <ajhtiredwolf> Hey, I have mythtv insatlled on ubuntu, I have everything working except, for some reason the audio is terrible, I have the audio going from audio out ( Sabrent SBT-tv tuner) to my audio in ( audigy 2 ), before it will work i have to mute and unmute pcm capture several times, and i will either get a really bad echo, or really horrible sound quality
[06:28]  * tgm4883_laptop gathers bulletproof vest and A4M1
[06:32] <Greybeard> maybe you have the sound card looping sound through itself as well as MythTV playing
[06:35] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, see thats kinda what i thought, but i dont know how you would fix that
[06:36] <Greybeard> turn off the playback of line int
[06:36] <Greybeard> line-in
[06:36] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, its actually going through the mic port, so yeah that is muted, nm that isnt the problem
[06:37] <Greybeard> mic probably isn't ideal anyway
[06:37] <Greybeard> the level could be wrong, as it could be applying pre-amplification
[06:37] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, I have an audigy 2, I at least THOUGHT the port next to it was the input, however when i plug it into that port I get no audio
[06:38] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, one thing i thought about trying was plugging it into my onboard audio, however I dont think that it will work while the audigy 2 is enabled
[06:39] <Greybeard> why not?
[06:39] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, im not sure, I know it should, but it wont
[06:39] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, the onbaord is listed as HDA Intel
[06:40] <Greybeard> ok
[06:40] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, neither speakers nor headphones work through it
[06:40] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, it did work initially however, before i installed the audigy 2
[06:41] <ajhtiredwolf> Im not sure, what do you think?
[06:41] <Greybeard> I have no idea
[06:42] <Greybeard> I don't know enough about your system or the nature of the problem
[06:42] <ajhtiredwolf> Do you think you could offer some advice if I gave you more information?
[06:42] <Greybeard> quite possibly
[06:43] <Greybeard> first, I think you should connect something to line in, rather than microphone in
[06:43] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, il give it a try, however I wasnt able to get audio from line in, hold on one moment
[06:43] <ajhtiredwolf> Grey alright it is now connected to line in,
[06:44] <Greybeard> can you hear it coming out of the speakers?
[06:44] <ajhtiredwolf> There is an audio out jack from the tv card, i have a wire running from ther eto the audio in on the Audigy 2
[06:44] <ajhtiredwolf> Nope i can't
[06:44] <ajhtiredwolf> Line2 and Line-in are both unmuted on the mixer
[06:44] <Greybeard> playback or recording?
[06:44] <ajhtiredwolf> Play back, lin-in actually doesnt show up on recording
[06:45] <ajhtiredwolf> Online lin2 capture, which is unmuted
[06:45] <ajhtiredwolf> only line 2 capture*
[06:46] <Greybeard> well, you're going to need to figure out the right jack to to plug into so that you can hear it coming out of the speakers
[06:46] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, I think I might not have a line-in, I think that my only option on the audigy is the microhpone
[06:46] <Greybeard> I doubt it
[06:47] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, hang on one sec, let me show you what it looks like
[06:47] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Soundblaster_Audigy2_ZS.jpg
[06:47] <ajhtiredwolf> I was assuming that the line in jack is the one directly left of the digital out jack
[06:47] <ajhtiredwolf> and right of the microphone jack
[06:48] <Greybeard> that's where a manual might come in handy
[06:48] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, haha, well the only port that isnt being used
[06:48] <ajhtiredwolf> is the one im talkinga bout
[06:48] <ajhtiredwolf> and the digital out jack
[06:49] <ajhtiredwolf> the rest are for my speakers
[06:49] <ajhtiredwolf> and those I KNOW are setup correctly
[06:50] <Greybeard> some of these cards can use the same jack for two different functions I think
[06:50] <Greybeard> some may be software switchable between analog and digital
[06:51] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, hold on a moment, let me check, i dont have the manual as i bought this years ago but i'll google it
[06:51] <Greybeard> man, creative's model names are confusing
[06:52] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, yeah... great boards though, they sound fantastic
[06:52] <Greybeard> they don't even list an Audigy 2 ZS on their support page
[06:52] <Greybeard> yeah, the quality's OK
[06:52] <Greybeard> I've had a number of Creative boards
[06:52] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, well the ZS is a limited edition and its kinda old
[06:52] <Greybeard> I'm using an Audigy 4 something right now, but it's quite different from yours
[06:53] <ajhtiredwolf> I was going to get a 4, but i really didnt see a difference between 2 and 4, the Xi-fi's have quite a big difference though
[06:53] <ajhtiredwolf> The quality is outstanding, however their are HUGE problems iwth those boards
[06:53] <ajhtiredwolf> Driver issues and parts going bad
[06:53] <Greybeard> there's probably very little difference except for the plugs on it
[06:53] <Greybeard> Linux calls my Audigy 4 an Audigy 2, so I think there's very little difference inside
[06:53] <ajhtiredwolf> Trust me, you can hear the difference :P, but its not worth it, they are horribly built, really too bad
[06:54] <ajhtiredwolf> yeah aud 4 and 2, but the Xi-fi truly is superior
[06:54] <ajhtiredwolf> well actually, screw this, this isnt worth it, woudl you mind helping me try and get the hda intel to work?
[06:54] <Greybeard> huh?
[06:54] <ajhtiredwolf> The line-in on that is marked
[06:54] <Greybeard> I don't have any experience with Intel audio
[06:55] <Greybeard> but if you take out the Creative card, it should just work
[06:55] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, but then i lose my speakers :p cant plug them into the intel
[06:55] <Greybeard> why not?
[06:57] <ajhtiredwolf> 6 speaker surround sound
[06:57] <ajhtiredwolf> one speaker port onbaord
[06:57] <Greybeard> wow, cheap board
[06:57] <ajhtiredwolf> lol it is an onboard
[06:57] <ajhtiredwolf> ok hang on
[06:58] <ajhtiredwolf> something weird is going on
[06:58] <Greybeard> my Via boards have 6 or 8 channels on board
[06:58] <ajhtiredwolf> ok so im talking to someone on skype right?
[06:58] <ajhtiredwolf> they can hear my tv
[06:58] <ajhtiredwolf> and its plugged into what i thought was the line in on the audigy
[06:58] <Greybeard> because it's plugged into the mic in
[06:58] <ajhtiredwolf> nope
[06:58] <Greybeard> you said it was mic
[06:58] <ajhtiredwolf> it WAS plugged into that
[06:58] <ajhtiredwolf> but i plugged it into the one next to the mic
[06:58] <ajhtiredwolf> i dont hear anything
[06:58] <ajhtiredwolf> but i guess he can hear it
[06:59] <ajhtiredwolf> Thats kinda weird isnt it ?
[06:59] <Greybeard> well, it's plugged into whichever input Skype is capturing from
[06:59] <ajhtiredwolf> sorry * ventrilo*
[07:00] <ajhtiredwolf> Haha great, and ventrilo doesnt tell me
[07:00] <ajhtiredwolf> So basically, i think that is the line in, but for somereason line-in doesnt show up on the mixer options in recording
[07:00] <ajhtiredwolf> but im thinking that it SHOULD
[07:01] <Greybeard> well, first get it working for playback
[07:01] <ajhtiredwolf> alrighty, well he can hear it hmm...
[07:01] <ajhtiredwolf> i dont have anyhting muted
[07:02] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, lets try this
[07:02] <ajhtiredwolf> AHH!
[07:02] <ajhtiredwolf> I found it, analog mix
[07:02] <Greybeard> yeah, there are lots of settings
[07:02] <Greybeard> sometimes you just have to experiment with them all
[07:02] <ajhtiredwolf> Yeah.. the audigy has too many hah
[07:02] <Greybeard> all emu10k1-based ones do
[07:02] <ajhtiredwolf> Ok, well this is progress so great,
[07:03] <ajhtiredwolf> so now, how do i figure out which dev/whateve that is for myth?
[07:03] <Anusien> I'm about to run mythtv config for the first time; if I don't do it now, how much harder is to add a TV Capture card later?
[07:03] <Greybeard> I'm not sure what you mean
[07:03] <Greybeard> Anusien: you can add cards later
[07:03] <ajhtiredwolf> alrighty, so in the setup for myth, there is a place to select which audio dev/*inputnumberhere* to use
[07:04] <ajhtiredwolf> do i just have to guess the number?
[07:04] <Greybeard> well, in ALSA, inputs are named, not numbered
[07:04] <Greybeard> I'm not that familiar with capturing audio in MythTV
[07:04] <Greybeard> I have MPEG2 encoder and ATSC receiver cards, so I haven't had to do that with MythTV
[07:05] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, hang on let me look at it so i can show you exactly what im talking about ;)
[07:06] <Greybeard> OK, I finally found the diagram for all the connectors on your card
[07:06] <Greybeard> http://support.creative.com/manuals/download.aspx?nDownloadId=7127&prodName=Audigy 2 ZS & Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Users Guide English
[07:06] <Greybeard> I had to install xchm to view it
[07:07] <Greybeard> Line in is second from the top
[07:07] <Greybeard> next to digital out
[07:08] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, yep thats the one i have :0
[07:08] <Greybeard> and you don't hear that coming out of the speakers?
[07:09] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, no i do now, i unmuted the aux thing it i hear it now
[07:09] <ajhtiredwolf> ok this is what i meant
[07:09] <ajhtiredwolf> in mythtv, under mythsetup
[07:09] <Greybeard> ok, good
[07:09] <ajhtiredwolf> under Capture Cards setup
[07:09] <Greybeard> make sure it's muted when you're using MythTV
[07:09] <ajhtiredwolf> there is an option that says Audio device: /dev/dsp1 is what its set to now
[07:09] <ajhtiredwolf> now, how do i set the audio to aux?
[07:10] <Greybeard> you're using the emu10k1 ALSA driver, right?
[07:10] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, im suing also thats all i know, how would i check that?
[07:11] <Greybeard> cat /proc/asound/cards
[07:11] <Greybeard> I have:
[07:11] <Greybeard> 0 [Audigy2        ]: Audigy2 - Audigy 4 [SB0610]
[07:11] <Greybeard>                       Audigy 4 [SB0610] (rev.0, serial:0x10211102) at 0xa000, irq 19
[07:11] <ajhtiredwolf>  2 [Audigy2        ]: Audigy2 - Audigy 2 ZS [SB0350]
[07:11] <ajhtiredwolf>                       Audigy 2 ZS [SB0350] (rev.4, serial:0x20021102) at 0xd000,
[07:11] <ajhtiredwolf> and a few others
[07:12] <Greybeard> how many others?
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf>  0 [Intel          ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf>                       HDA Intel at 0xe5200000 irq 16
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf>  1 [SAA7134        ]: SAA7134 - SAA7134
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf>                       saa7130[0] at 0xe5105000 irq 20
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf>  2 [Audigy2        ]: Audigy2 - Audigy 2 ZS [SB0350]
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf>                       Audigy 2 ZS [SB0350] (rev.4, serial:0x20021102) at 0xd000, irq 19
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf>  3 [U0x46d0x8d7    ]: USB-Audio - USB Device 0x46d:0x8d7
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf>                       USB Device 0x46d:0x8d7 at usb-0000:00:1d.2-1, full speed
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf> Normally id paste bin but no one else is talking, hope you dont mind :p
[07:12] <Greybeard> the ﻿SAA7134 is your TV capture card, right?
[07:12] <ajhtiredwolf> correct
[07:12] <Greybeard> so, you don't need to mess with any cables
[07:13] <ajhtiredwolf> whatcha mean?
[07:13] <Greybeard> MythTV can record from the capture card's sound device
[07:13] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, unfortunately that cards sound capture doesnt work
[07:13] <Greybeard> why not?
[07:13] <ajhtiredwolf> not sure, but ive googled it, and all the threads ive seen on it all end in ( just do audio out to your sound card)
[07:14] <Greybeard> which card is it?
[07:14] <Anusien> I want MythTV to be able to see and stream video and audio that I already have on my hard drive.  DO I just move that media to its directories (/var/lib/mythtv/videos for example) or is there another way to do it?
[07:14] <ajhtiredwolf> sabrent SBT-tvfm
[07:14] <Greybeard> Anusien: the MythVideo plugin can use it that way
[07:14] <ajhtiredwolf> trust me, ive done very extensive searching :p
[07:14] <Greybeard> ok
[07:15] <Greybeard> well, you'll need to use the ALSA device name for MythTV to capture
[07:15] <ajhtiredwolf> ok I think that is sbd1
[07:15] <ajhtiredwolf> but how do i select which input to use?
[07:16] <Greybeard> in a mixer like alsamixer
[07:16] <Anusien> Greybeard: For both audio and video?
[07:17] <Greybeard> Anusien: there's also the MythMusic plugin for playing music
[07:17] <Greybeard> I'm not sure what MythVideo will do with audio files
[07:18] <Anusien> :P  I think I found the appropriate pages on the wiki, so thanks.  (Looks like I can just add :/home/anusien/Video/ and it will find it!)
[07:18] <Greybeard> yeah, basically
[07:19] <Anusien> Too used to Windows land where that sort of thing is rather uncommon
[07:19] <Greybeard> which sort of thing?
[07:19] <Anusien> Where it asks for a directory and you can give it multiple
[07:19] <Greybeard> ajhtiredwolf: "arecord -L" gives you the names of ALSA capture devices
[07:20] <Greybeard> for instance, mine has "front:CARD=Audigy2,DEV=0" as one of the capture devices
[07:21] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, k one sec let me see if it works
[07:21] <Greybeard> Anusien: btw, MythVideo doesn't automatically scan for new media, but it does have an option called "browse" or something that lets you just navigate the directory
[07:23] <Anusien> Was about to ask something similar; I have the directories, but neither music (even after scanning for new media) nor video show the new files
[07:23] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, hmmm i see default:CARD=Audigy2
[07:23] <ajhtiredwolf>     Audigy 2 ZS [SB0350], ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback
[07:23] <ajhtiredwolf>     Default Audio Device
[07:23] <Greybeard> looks good
[07:24] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, everyhting else its listing is intel
[07:24] <Greybeard> I think MythTV needs you to add ALSA: before any ALSA device name
[07:24] <ajhtiredwolf> Soooo how do i tell myth to use the aux for sound?
[07:24] <Greybeard> so, the whole string would be "﻿ALSA:﻿default:CARD=Audigy2"
[07:25] <Greybeard> I don't know if MythTV can select inputs
[07:25] <Greybeard> you probably have to do that with a mixer program like alsamixer
[07:25] <Anusien> Directory to hold music: /var/lib/mythtv/music/:/home/anusien/music/ <-- that directory has a directory full of directories with the structure Arist\Album\Songs.mp3  So then I select Music Manager and Scan for New Music, and I don't see it in "Play Music"
[07:25] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, where would i put that in? the ALSA:﻿default:CARD=Audigy2
[07:26] <Greybeard> that's the audio capture device
[07:26] <ajhtiredwolf> Hmmm it wont let me change it to that
[07:27] <ajhtiredwolf> what the.. it wont mechange it period, hang on a sec
[07:28] <Greybeard> http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html has more details
[07:29] <ajhtiredwolf> yeah there is a list under Audio devices
[07:29] <ajhtiredwolf> dev/dsp zero through three
[07:29] <ajhtiredwolf> it will only let me select one of those
[07:30] <Greybeard> you sure you can't type something?
[07:30] <ajhtiredwolf> i can
[07:30] <ajhtiredwolf> but after i hit finnish
[07:30] <ajhtiredwolf> it will go back to whatever it was before
[07:31] <ajhtiredwolf> it was working with the mic on dsp
[07:31] <ajhtiredwolf> 0
[07:31] <ajhtiredwolf> and the mic is on the audigy, so that is probably right
[07:31] <ajhtiredwolf> Now i just need to tell it to use aux
[07:32] <Greybeard> the Audigy 2 is the third ALSA card, so it seems odd it would be mapped to /dev/dsp0
[07:32] <ajhtiredwolf> *shrug* :-P
[07:34] <Anusien> Greybeard: I think I configured MythMusic right (set directory to /var/lib/mythtv/music/:/home/anusien/music/) and I did Scan for New Music, but when I select Play Music I still see no songs.  Any ideas please?
[07:34] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, hmmm cant seem to get it to work though
[07:35] <ajhtiredwolf> Yeah none of those worked with aux
[07:35] <ajhtiredwolf> or played the aux
[07:35] <Greybeard> sorry
[07:36] <Greybeard> well, if you can't type the device in, you'll have to figure out which /dev/dsp device is the Audigy card
[07:36] <ajhtiredwolf> and your not sure how to tell myth which input to use?
[07:36] <ajhtiredwolf> im pretty sure its 0
[07:36] <Greybeard> I'll say it for a third time: use alsamixer
[07:36] <ajhtiredwolf> because it was working with the mic when i put it on 0
[07:36] <ajhtiredwolf> ohhh, im sorry ithought you meant someone else
[07:36] <ajhtiredwolf> sorry i was misunderstanding you
[07:37] <Greybeard> http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html
[07:41] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, il keep working on this, hey thanks allot for your help Greybeard your a hell of a guy ;)
[07:43] <Greybeard> you're welcome
[07:44] <Greybeard> I haven't configured a simple capture card like you have with MythTV, so I'm not sure of all the pitfalls
[07:44] <ajhtiredwolf> Im strongly considering getting one that can do audio processing on its own, but i dont know which ones would work good in linux
[07:45] <Greybeard> I have a couple of PVR-x50s that work pretty well
[07:45] <ajhtiredwolf> Pricey?
[07:45] <Greybeard> yeah, quite a bit more than the basic capture cards
[07:45] <ajhtiredwolf> This one was 19$ haha
[07:46] <ajhtiredwolf> and free shipping! :p
[07:46] <Greybeard> pvr-150, PC Components, Satellite Cable TV items on eBay.com <http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&amp;_trksid=m37.l1311&amp;satitle=pvr-150&amp;category0=>
[07:46] <Greybeard> it looks like it would be about $45
[07:46] <ajhtiredwolf> Id probably be looking in the 100$ market
[07:47] <Anusien> Newegg has some nice ones from hauppage
[07:47] <ajhtiredwolf> Anusien, thats where i was looking, all the reviews said ( doesnt work well in linux)
[07:47] <ajhtiredwolf> couldnt find a single one that said differently :\
[07:47] <Anusien> I think I saw one that has two tuners (one HD one regular) and I think hardware encoding
[07:47] <Anusien> :(
[07:47] <Greybeard> which card?
[07:47] <ajhtiredwolf> All the ones i looked at via newegg
[07:47] <ajhtiredwolf> i looked at all the top sellers
[07:47] <Greybeard> the HVR-1600 and HVR-1800 seem to be poor choices on Linux currently
[07:49] <Anusien> Greybeard: so I had the directory as /var/lib/mythtv/music/:/home/anusien/music/ and that didn't work.  But when I restored it to just /var/lib/mythtv/music, it could find an mp3 I dropped into that directory.  So what is the syntax for multiple directories?
[07:49] <Greybeard> I think they do need to be separated with ":"
[07:49] <Anusien> I had that, and it didn't work.  but when I took the second directory off, it did!
[07:51] <Anusien> as of jan 13, 2008 mythmusic didn't allow multiple directories! (http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/2008-January/036255.html) has that changd?
[07:52] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, oh hey one thing im guessing wont be possible to get working, but thought id ask, know anything about getitng remoate controls to work?
[07:53] <ajhtiredwolf> This tuner came iwth one
[07:53] <Anusien> Greybeard: I think I found the answer.  It appears MythMusic doesn't allow multiple directories, but someone suggested dropping a link in the MythMusic directory to whatever directories you want to search; this appears to be working
[07:55] <Greybeard> yeah, it looks like MythMusic doesn't do multiple directories
[07:55] <Greybeard> MythVideo does though
[07:56] <Greybeard> yeah, use symlinks
[07:56] <Greybeard> wolf: are  you using Mythbuntu?
[07:57] <Anusien> So I've done some googling and wiki surfing, and I can't find a lot of information on this; what sort of things do I have to do to config upnp?
[07:57] <Greybeard> I know next to nothing about UPNP, since I've never used it
[07:57] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, I believe so, i used apt-get install mythtv to install it
[07:57] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, thats fine, just thought id ask :)
[07:58] <Anusien> supposedly it *just works*
[07:58]  * Anusien turns on the xbox hesitantly
[07:58] <Greybeard> well, the Mythbuntu install CD installs MythTV automatically
[07:58] <Greybeard> it has the ability to configure some remotes
[08:00] <ajhtiredwolf> yar it installed automatically, im pretty sure that it is the same package, i dont remember seeing remotes though
[08:00] <Greybeard> mythbuntu-control-centre can configure some IR stuff
[08:01] <ajhtiredwolf> ahh maybe i dont have mythbuntu then, its mythtv-insertcommand here
[08:01] <ajhtiredwolf> I didnt install mythbuntu i think because it had one star rating on the package manager
[08:04] <Greybeard> Mythbuntu is a distribution based on Ubuntu
[08:04] <ajhtiredwolf> Ohhh nm :p
[08:04] <Greybeard> http://mythbuntu.org/
[08:05] <Greybeard> http://mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu
[08:05] <Greybeard> follow the instructions there
[08:05] <ajhtiredwolf> So it is its own desktop environment like gnome or kde?
[08:05] <Greybeard> no, it's neither
[08:06] <Greybeard> Mythbuntu is some packages in addition to the main MythTV ones and an installer CD
[08:06] <Greybeard> but you can install it on an existing Ubuntu system
[08:06] <Greybeard> the DE isn't very important to MythTV
[08:06] <ajhtiredwolf> Alrighty, will  i need to remove my existing mythtv installation/
[08:06] <Greybeard> no, you shouldn't need to remove anything
[08:07] <ajhtiredwolf> Il check it out later, first i wanna get mythtv working ;)
[08:07] <ajhtiredwolf> Thanks for the link though
[08:07] <Greybeard> mythbuntu-control-centre might help you get MythTV working
[08:08] <Anusien> Aaanyway, no luck with UPnP, I'll try back later.  Thanks for the help with MythMusic Greybeard
[08:08] <Greybeard> sure
[08:08] <Greybeard> I hardly use MythMusic
[08:08] <Greybeard> it's not that great
[08:08] <Anusien> I'm not likely to either
[08:08] <Anusien> but my UPnP client is an xbox360, so I think it's probably a matter of getting it configured
[08:08] <Greybeard> yeah, hopefully
[08:09] <Anusien> I want it to have my music so I can stream to my xbox
[08:09] <Greybeard> I don't have any such devices, so I have no experience with that
[08:09] <Anusien> music playback is also far less complicated than video, so it's a good test
[08:09] <Greybeard> PnP sounds like it shouldn't need configuration, but we all know how likely that is
[08:10] <Anusien> I'm very new to MythTv so it's possible I just missed the config option to run it
[08:12] <Anusien> but wiki and google content seems to be low on it, so it's either completely simple or deep deep magic
[08:12] <Greybeard> yeah, it's not always trivial to get working
[08:12] <ajhtiredwolf> Darn I dont see sabrent under the reomates
[08:12] <ajhtiredwolf> remotes*
[08:12] <Greybeard> I started using MythTV before Mythbuntu came along, so I configured things more manually
[08:13] <ajhtiredwolf> Il try custom
[08:13] <ajhtiredwolf> that is an option
[08:14] <Anusien> anyway, thanks.  Will be back later
[08:14] <Greybeard> ok
[08:18] <Greybeard> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallLirc/Hardy?highlight=(hardy)|(mythtv)
[08:19] <ajhtiredwolf> Greybeard, hmm if i set the linein as the recording source then my mic wont work for ventrilo im thinking
[08:19] <ajhtiredwolf> and skype
[08:19] <ajhtiredwolf> Grrr you should be abel to tell myth which input you want to use for audio, that would make allot of sense
[08:20] <Greybeard> I'm afraid I don't have any experience capturing audio with Myth
[08:20] <Greybeard> but it is possible to use the alsa tools like alsamixer or amixer
[08:20] <ajhtiredwolf> Oh hey thats reminds me
[08:20] <Greybeard> and it's not a good idea to have MythTV sharing any devices with other apps
[08:21] <ajhtiredwolf> not sure if you would know this
[08:21] <Greybeard> MythTV expects to have full access
[08:21] <ajhtiredwolf> before my capture card works, i always have to do rmmod saa7134 _also and rmmod saa7134
[08:21] <ajhtiredwolf> then sudo saa7134 CARD=50 tuner = 3 also=1
[08:22] <ajhtiredwolf> can i tell it to do that manually on boot?
[08:22] <Greybeard> sounds like you've got a screwy card
[08:22] <ajhtiredwolf> Indeed it is
[08:22] <Greybeard> sure, just put it in /etc/rc.local
[08:23] <ajhtiredwolf> anywhere after the commented message?
[08:25] <Greybeard> yeah
[08:25] <Greybeard> run it manually to make sure it works
[08:26] <ajhtiredwolf> sure i include the sudo?
[08:26] <ajhtiredwolf> or just rmmod *enter stuff here*
[08:28] <Greybeard> the script /etc/rc.local runs as root, so no sudo
[08:28] <ajhtiredwolf> kk
[08:28] <ajhtiredwolf> grrrr
[08:29] <Greybeard> you may need to use full paths for the commands
[08:29] <ajhtiredwolf> the howto you sent me tells me to change that audy device in mythsetup to ALSA:default and i still cant change it to anything else
[08:29] <ajhtiredwolf> but dev/sbd1-3
[08:29] <Greybeard> that would be a drive
[08:30] <Greybeard> are you talking about a capture or playback device?
[08:31] <ajhtiredwolf> The audio device
[08:31] <Greybeard> I have ALSA:default for my playback device, but I don't need audio capture with my hardware
[08:31] <ajhtiredwolf> im talking about in mythtv setup
[08:31] <Greybeard> audio capture or playback device?
[08:31] <ajhtiredwolf> capture
[08:31] <Greybeard> so, you're talking about recording
[08:32] <Greybeard> yeah, I don't know why it won't let you put whatever you want in there
[08:32] <ajhtiredwolf> weird
[08:32] <ajhtiredwolf>  I wonder if there is a config file where i can edit it manually
[08:34] <Greybeard> no, that's all in the database
[08:34] <Greybeard> maybe you can edit the database more directly
[08:34] <Greybeard> I've used phpmyadmin
[08:35] <ajhtiredwolf> ohh wait ive got an idea
[08:36] <ajhtiredwolf> One sec
[08:52] <ajhtiredwolf> Nope that didnt work either
[08:52] <ajhtiredwolf> Ah well
[08:52] <ajhtiredwolf> il work on it later, toodles
[09:14] <Greybeard> ok, see you later
[09:29] <rmf_> my movie descriptions no longer show up (instead saying simply "None"
[09:29] <rmf_> any deas?
[09:33] <rmf_> i am running mythbuntu 8.04, the latest packages
[09:51] <webman> Hi, I have mythtv working pretty well for quite a while, but I have two channels that I can't get to work. I am in sydney Australia, and 7, 9, and 10 all work, but I can't get abc or sbs. Any hints on what to try/do to get the extra channels?
[10:08] <beast> sup guys, anyone awake at this fine hour?
[10:09] <beast> I have a noobish question for whomever may be so kind to answer -
[10:09] <beast> how do I upload my own videos to mythbuntu?
[10:09] <beast> i've been trying ftp...ssh....havn't been very successful
[10:59] <beast> nevermind - problem resolved! LONG LIVE OPEN SOURCE!
[11:14] <andy_js_> Does mythyv support FM tuners in the backend?
[11:45] <liri> is the version currently available from myhtbuntu.com contains the functionality to stream flash videos off of mythweb?
[12:20] <laga> liri: no. you'll need to enable the medibuntu repos and update ffmpeg at least.
[12:20] <laga> also, it might only work for mpeg2 recordings
[12:43] <MythbuntuGuest93> hey guys im having trouble here accessing shared files from a windows machine on the network
[14:14] <vtvt> hi
[14:15] <vtvt> need help unable to connect to upnp error still cant get it working :(..
[14:25] <liri> laga: ahh thanks
[15:29] <Anusien> Anyone have any experience setting up UPnP?  I think I'm just missing a port or a checkbox; I have music in my library, but my clients see no UPnP servers.
[16:12] <videorechner> Hi I run a rather old PC with Mythbuntu, which works perfectly with DVDs I downloaded a Hancock trailer in 1080p .mkv is there a way to decode the movie before I want to see it? I dont mind if there is going to be a larger file than before and it takes a while to decode it.
[16:13] <videorechner> I would prefer Windows software as the trailer is stored on a windows PC
[16:16] <Anusien> Why do you want to decode it before seeing it?
[16:19] <Greybeard> it would probably be a lot easier to download a lower resolution version of the trailer
[16:20] <Anusien> So your problem is the mythbuntu machine can't keep up with the 1080p mkv?
[16:20] <Anusien> in playback, or what?
[16:20] <videorechner> I may got all some terms mixed up. Sorry. All I know is, that those new movies are something like packed to reduce their size, and it takes a lot performance to unpack them. So I thought: maybe I can unpack them before I try to watch them, so it looks smooth.
[16:20] <videorechner> exactly
[16:21] <Anusien> I don't think the problem is the way it's packed, but that 1080p mkv has a high bitrate (several Mbps)
[16:21] <videorechner> a lower resolution wont do it, its not about the movie or the trailer it is about to show how full HD movies would look like
[16:22] <Anusien> Why won't a lower resoltuion do it?
[16:23] <Anusien> Like, are you trying to generate a raw video file or something like a high quality XVid video?
[16:23] <videorechner> I can already size a dvd movie up to 1920x1080 and it doesnt look bad, I want to convince someone ;-)
[16:23] <videorechner> I thought a raw video file could be played smooth
[16:24] <Greybeard> you mean completely uncompressed?
[16:24] <Greybeard> that'll take a much faster machine
[16:24] <Anusien> Would it?  I'd think it would bottleneck the network more than the CPU
[16:25] <videorechner> I thought about completely uncompressed
[16:25] <videorechner> Gbit Ethernet
[16:25] <Greybeard> scaling video from 720x480 up to 1920x1080 doesn't take any more CPU time than playing it at 720x480 because the video card does the scaling
[16:25] <Anusien> I guess I just don't understand video all that well
[16:26] <Greybeard> uncompressed video requires such huge data rates that it'll stress the CPU and network and disc
[16:26] <videorechner> doesnt uncompressing videos stress the CPU even more?
[16:26] <Greybeard> you could transcode the video to something your machine could play, but you may as well just download one already appropriately encoded
[16:26] <Greybeard> well, go ahead and try it
[16:27] <videorechner> what would be an appropriately encoded format?
[16:27] <Anusien> wait, are you streaming the video from the windows machine?
[16:27] <Greybeard> depends on your CPU
[16:28] <videorechner> anusien smb share   greybeard athlon xp 2200+
[16:28] <Anusien> No, what I'm asking is, what does the encoder have to work on windows?
[16:29] <Greybeard> that CPU might be able to handle 720p encoded with MPEG4 ASP
[16:29] <Anusien> btw videorechner, for a lot more information on this subject, try googling mkv slow
[16:30] <videorechner> the file is on a windows pc so I thought it would be easier to modifiy the file at the windows PC thats why I asked for a windows program
[16:30] <Greybeard> Matroska is a container format
[16:30] <Greybeard> It can contain a wide variety of video and audio encodings
[16:31] <Anusien> Greybeard: I know that, but it'll get you the right information.  Mastroka is generally used for hidef video, so you get a lot of people posting about the exact same problem
[16:32] <Anusien> for example this thread has a lot of quality in it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=670339
[16:33] <Greybeard> an Athlon XP 2200+ can't handle 1080p video no matter how it's encoded or packaged
[16:33] <Greybeard> so, videorechner can't play the file he wants regardless of whether it's an MKV or not
[16:33] <Greybeard> http://www.blackmagic-design.com/support/detail.asp?techID=30
[16:34] <videorechner> though this is the sadest you said yet, at least I can work with this answer, thanks
[16:34] <Greybeard> 1080p video would require about 119MB/s
[16:35] <Greybeard> maybe only 95MB/s if it's at 24 fps
[16:35] <Greybeard> so, 10Gb ethernet can't even handle it
[16:36] <videorechner> btw I alway
[16:36] <Greybeard> and few discs could
[16:36] <videorechner> wrong button sry
[16:37] <Greybeard> http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/hancock/ has several options
[16:37] <Greybeard> at least the 480p one should work and maybe even the 720p one, but probably not the latter
[16:37] <videorechner> I have the same problem mentioned here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=695271&page=3 but using the command shown doesnt work for me: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[16:38] <Greybeard> why are you trying to connect to MySQL?
[16:38] <videorechner> any ideas what went wrong? Greybeard thanks Ill have a look at t
[16:38] <Greybeard> you probably used the wrong password
[16:39] <videorechner> because running the backend setup always ends with an error message like that:"Cannot login to database?"
[16:40] <Anusien> Yeah, that's the error MySQL gives when you give the wrong password
[16:41] <Greybeard> MythTV should be connecting as user mythtv, not root
[16:41] <Anusien> Greybeard: he's attempting to fix a problem with user permissions
[16:42] <videorechner> the root password is needed for this command, isnt it?
[16:42] <Anusien> Yes, but only for the other problem.
[16:42] <Anusien> And my install at least set up the user permissions correctly by default
[16:43] <Anusien> did you check the mythtv usernaame and password?
[16:43] <Anusien> Did you check in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to verify that information is correct?
[16:43] <videorechner> how can I do that? its probably videorechner and the root password
[16:44] <Greybeard> when did MythTV start complaining about not being able to connect?
[16:44] <Anusien> check that file, and see what it's using for the username and password (you can also do this through the mythtv config).  Then try logging in and see if that works
[16:45] <videorechner> ok I see it, what should the username be? mythtv or in my case videorechner (as the only user is called videorechner) what should be used as password? the same I use for videorechner?
[16:46] <Greybeard> you may be confused by the fact that MySQL users, passwords and permissions are unrelated to Ubuntu ones
[16:47] <Anusien> But yeah, let's back up.  What caused this problem?
[16:47] <Greybeard> normally, you shouldn't have to mess with MySQL users at all
[16:47] <Anusien> Yeah, I didn't even have to set mine.  I think MythTV config generated a random password for teh account
[16:48] <videorechner> I dont know, everytime I boot up there comes this window for backend configuration and all I did was next next next as most didnt concern me, at the end it would say: cannot login to database and restart
[16:48] <Anusien> That's all it says, is cannot login to the database?
[16:48] <videorechner> yes
[16:49] <Anusien> Then what made you identify with that thread in specific?
[16:49] <Anusien> err in particular
[16:49] <videorechner> when I try to start the frontend the same window appears again
[16:49] <videorechner> comment number 13 on page 2
[16:51] <Anusien> I'm looking at comment #6 on page 1 there by the way
[16:52] <videorechner> sry I dont get what superm1 wants me to do
[16:53] <Anusien> open up /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt.  At the beginning, you should see DBUserName= and DBPassword=
[16:53] <videorechner> yes I can see them
[16:54] <Anusien> try mysql -u that_username -p  You'll be prompted for a password, enter the one listed there
[16:55] <videorechner> same error as before
[16:56] <Anusien> okay, then that username and password is wrong!
[16:56] <Greybeard> that's what MythTV was telling him
[16:56] <Anusien> do you know your root mysql password?
[16:56] <videorechner> yes
[16:57] <Anusien> Greybeard: *shrug* I'm not an expert at this stuff, so I'm just filling in what I know.  I'd be happy to defer to your explanations (not trying to be snarky here)
[16:57] <videorechner> I tried to do it as root but still the same error
[16:58] <Greybeard> what I mean is that MythTV looks in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to get the database connection parameters
[16:58] <Greybeard> so, if you use the same ones manually, you should get the same result
[16:59] <Anusien> well, I wasn't sure if there were other possibilities
[17:00] <Greybeard> try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database", which might reset the password
[17:00] <Anusien> videorechner can you do mysql -u root -p and enter the root mysql password?
[17:01] <Greybeard> automatic MySQL management scripts like that in mythtv-database use /etc/mysql/debian.cnf to connect as root
[17:01] <Anusien> huh?
[17:02] <videorechner> grrr
[17:02] <Greybeard> that's where the parameters to connect as root ar
[17:02] <Greybeard> are
[17:02] <Anusien> ah
[17:02] <Anusien> Well he said he knew the root password; if he can log in as root he can reset the mysql user password
[17:03] <videorechner> i did the reconfiguration and was asked for a admin user and I typed in: root then I was asked to type in a new password for this user: 5 (for example) right after that I typed: mysql -u root -p  and was asked for the password: 5 and again I get this error
[17:03] <jphillip> easier to reconfigure mythtv-database, but he still needs the mysql root password there
[17:04] <jphillip> perhaps you don't know your mysql root password then
[17:04] <videorechner> I always use the same password
[17:04] <videorechner> i know its a risk. . .
[17:05] <jphillip> well if you can't login with it via the mysql command line, then no you didn't
[17:05] <jphillip> unless you managed to lock out the root account somehow
[17:06] <jphillip> you can reconfigure mysql to set a new password, sudp dpkg-reconfigure mysql-common (I think)
[17:06] <jphillip> might be mysql-server though
[17:06] <Anusien> jphillip: Have you used mythtv's upnp server?
[17:06] <jphillip> Anusien not by choice
[17:07] <jphillip> I have dabbled with it though
[17:07] <videorechner> no it says it cannot connect to a upnp server
[17:07] <Anusien> jphillip: Do I have to do anything to turn it on
[17:07] <Anusien> videorechner: If it can't log into MySQL, I'm not sure anything else will work
[17:07] <jphillip> Anusien for other mythboxes or for other devices?
[17:08] <Anusien> other devices.  I have an XBox 360, which is known to work with MythTV.  The XBox (and Nero's Showtime) both jsut don't see the mythtv upnp server.  I think I either need to do something to turn it on, or need to forward the appropriate ports to the mythtv machine
[17:09] <Anusien> But I found information on neither from google and wiki
[17:09] <jphillip> Anusien the 360 works, but doesn't support mpeg2, only mpeg4
[17:09] <jphillip> so you need mpeg4 stuff in your mythvideos
[17:09] <jphillip> then it can see those
[17:09] <Anusien> what about music?
[17:10] <Anusien> It can't find the server at all though
[17:10] <jphillip> I think music is flaky as well, but I honestly don't know
[17:10] <Anusien> Shouldn't it see the server even if there's nothing to find?
[17:10] <jphillip> m$ didn't follow standards (once again!)
[17:11] <jphillip> Anusien server might not be available to it if there is no content?  I'm not really sure other than knowing that the 360 can only see mpeg4 video
[17:11] <Anusien> fair.  Well I can dump a bunch of videos that have worked on the xbox360 before and see for certain!
[17:11] <jphillip> and I know for a fact that it will not pull video from your recordings dirs, only your mythvideo dir
[17:11] <Anusien> Does MythVideo support multiple video directories?
[17:11] <Anusien> I know MythMusic doesn't
[17:12] <jphillip> it does if they are all within a directory, not sure if they are seperate
[17:12] <jphillip> just make a mythvideo dir and symlink things if thats the case
[17:12] <Anusien> so I need symlinks the way mythmusic did?
[17:12] <jphillip> perhaps
[17:13] <Anusien> alright, this'll give me some options to explore when I get home.  Thanks!
[17:13] <jphillip> Anusien np
[17:15] <Anusien> I had TVersity under Windows, but when I moved to a dedicated server machine, I took the plunge to MythTV.  So I have videos that the XBox has played (as well as audio), but on a different upnp server
[17:15] <Anusien> I do know that I had to forward the right ports to my upnp server before, but I can't find what ports mythtv runs on.  If I eliminate the other possibilities, I'll explore that avenue
[17:18] <videorechner> I wrote down what I saw in the console: http://de.pastebin.ca/1179757
[17:19] <jphillip> Trophy Assigned
[17:19] <jphillip> woops
[19:19] <yannis> hi
[19:21] <yannis> I've installed mythubuntu over ubuntu 8.0.4.1 on a amd64 X2 4800 / 4GB RAM / 250GB SATA HD. I have a lot of disk I/O on liveTV which make it laggy.
[19:22] <yannis> any ideas?
[19:22] <laga> define "laggy"?
[19:23] <yannis> it freezes for some milseconds and then goes on
[19:23] <yannis> this repeats every 3/4 seconds
[19:24] <yannis> when the 'freeze' occurs I have I/O on my hard disk
[19:25] <yannis> if I see the recording afterwards its ok
[19:26] <Shadow__X> whats your video card
[19:26] <Shadow__X> by any chance
[19:26] <yannis> nvidia 8500gt
[19:27] <Shadow__X> hmm
[19:27] <yannis> I have installed the nvidia driver through envy-ng and haven't changed anything in my xorg.conf
[19:27] <Anusien> Anyone have MythTv UPnP experience?
[19:29] <yannis> it seems that the process of recording makes it freeze for a while
[19:52] <jsdf> hi everyone.  I'm trying out mythbuntu on various hardware, and was wondering - is it possible to install and run the mythtv backend on a PC that has no storage and is running Mythbuntu from a live cd?
[19:53] <jsdf> this way I don't have to install a hard drive on the machines I am testing.
[19:53] <laga> yes, it's possible. if you use remote storage+
[19:54] <jsdf> laga: no way to set it up for one time use, preferrably through a [custom made?] live cd?
[19:55] <laga> you can make your own cd, sure. but why would you do that? you will need storage
[19:56] <Anusien> a backend with no media to share is kind of sad :(
[19:56] <jsdf> laga, Anusien: our hardware is all over the place, and unfrotunately not in the hands of those so technically inclined to set up a backend
[19:57] <jsdf> so, giving a single CD with everything ready to go would be helpful for me.
[19:57] <jsdf> although, i suppose I can set up a publicly-visible backend and just provide instructions on what to type into the backend field.
[19:57] <laga> okay. and where does it get storage?
[19:58] <jsdf> well, it's just a bootup and UI test, really.
[19:58] <ajhtiredwolf> Hey I cant see mto get sound to work in mythtv, im not sure why, I have the sound looped from my tvcard through the linein port on my audigy 2 sound card.
[19:59] <jsdf> so, for now, we're okay if the database disappears when the computer is shut off
[19:59] <Anusien> but yes, I beleive the mythbuntu cd is set up to do this
[20:00] <laga> jsdf: i'm not sure what you want to do there, really. but i'm sure you'll manage to get it done eventually :)
[20:01] <jsdf> Anusien: any suggestions on what to look for?  i get stuck when the setup screens asks for the backend on the initial config.
[20:01] <jsdf> laga: i'm sure, with enough time, I can do it also. :)
[20:07] <ajhtiredwolf> Grrr theres no reason for this not to work, what the crap
[21:19] <Ragamuffin76> Hi Everybody. Do someone know how i identify the videocodec that xine uses (when its on auto)?
[21:23] <Ragamuffin76> found it. never mind
[21:40] <Ragamuffin76> hi greybeard remember me?
[21:42] <Greybeard> sure
[21:43] <Ragamuffin76> maybe you can help me. i try to explain my problem
[21:43] <Greybeard> maybe
[21:43] <Ragamuffin76> xine uses the opengl driver. while playing the cpu usage is about 15%.
[21:43] <Greybeard> ok
[21:44] <Ragamuffin76> do i use mplayer with the opengl driver the cpu usage is at 95%
[21:44] <Ragamuffin76> why?
[21:44] <Greybeard> I don't know
[21:44] <Ragamuffin76> ok
[21:44] <Greybeard> I've generally used the Xv driver with mplayer
[21:44] <Greybeard> when I've tried the opengl driver, it didn't perform as well
[21:44] <Shadow__X> what vid card
[21:44] <Shadow__X> and what driver
[21:44] <Greybeard> usually an Nvidia card
[21:44] <Greybeard> it's been a long time since I tried it
[21:45] <Ragamuffin76> ati hd3650. thats why i cant use xv
[21:45] <Shadow__X> i mean Ragamuffin76
[21:45] <Greybeard> let me try it now
[21:45] <Greybeard> no Xv support?
[21:45] <Shadow__X> Ragamuffin76, i have xv working on my ati
[21:45] <Ragamuffin76> i use the driver that came with mythbunut
[21:45] <Ragamuffin76> shadow, how?
[21:45] <Shadow__X> if you didnt install anything than thats the opensource one
[21:45] <Ragamuffin76> yes
[21:45] <Shadow__X> the closed source fglrx supports xv
[21:46] <Greybeard> my MythTV system works great with the Xorg radeon driver, but that's a radeon 9600
[21:46] <Shadow__X> hmm
[21:47] <Ragamuffin76> i dont think that i use the opensource driver, because in hardware drivers the ATI accerlated graphics driver is enabled and in use
[21:47] <Shadow__X> hmm
[21:47] <Shadow__X> does fglrxinfo
[21:47] <Shadow__X> do*
[21:47] <Greybeard> mplayer with both -vo gl and -vo gl2 seem to work fine on my desktop with the Nvidia proprietary driver
[21:47] <Ragamuffin76> ati 2.1.7412
[21:48] <Shadow__X> Greybeard, this is something diff just for ati
[21:48] <Shadow__X> hmm
[21:48] <Greybeard> something diff?
[21:48] <Shadow__X> yeah the ati drivers are different
[21:48] <Ragamuffin76> with fglrxinfo it just say: OpenGL vendor string nad OpenGL renderer string
[21:49] <Greybeard> I know you can't use the same driver for newer ATI cards as for the 9600
[21:49] <Shadow__X> Ragamuffin76, i am pretty sure thats supposed to say fglrx
[21:49] <Shadow__X> how many fps
[21:49] <Shadow__X> hmm i think you can
[21:49] <Greybeard> that's one reason I bought a 9600: because I knew it would work
[21:50] <Shadow__X> i have a 9600xt AIW kinda useless in linux
[21:50] <Ragamuffin76> fps? with opengl? how do i see that?
[21:50] <Greybeard> AIW?
[21:50] <Shadow__X> Ragamuffin76, do glxgears
[21:50] <Shadow__X> Greybeard, all in wonder
[21:50] <Greybeard> oh
[21:51] <Greybeard> you mean you weren't able to get capture working?
[21:51] <Shadow__X> well the driver that does that
[21:51] <Shadow__X> isnt worked on anymore
[21:51] <Ragamuffin76> shadow, 5605.xxx fps
[21:52] <Greybeard> yeah, I know capture with ATI cards was never very good
[21:52] <Shadow__X> Ragamuffin76, thats good xv should work with mplayer
[21:52] <Shadow__X> try xvinfo
[21:52] <Greybeard> I'm just using a regular Radeon 9600 card to display on my LCD TV through DVI
[21:52] <Shadow__X> ah ok
[21:52] <Shadow__X> yeah i have ati card just not being used in linux
[21:52] <Shadow__X> other than the rage 3d i am on now
[21:52] <Shadow__X> but heh no real drivers for that
[21:53] <Greybeard> you don't really need a fast, new one for playing video
[21:53] <Ragamuffin76> x-Video Extension version 2.2 - screen #0  -  no adapter present
[21:53] <Greybeard> not good
[21:53] <Shadow__X> Ragamuffin76, sounds like that isnt working right
[21:53] <Ragamuffin76> :)
[21:53] <Ragamuffin76> can u help me?
[21:53] <Shadow__X> reinstall the fglrx driver
[21:54] <Ragamuffin76> ok, how?
[21:54] <Shadow__X> go in synaptic
[21:54] <Shadow__X> search for fglrx
[21:54] <Shadow__X> and reinstall
[21:56] <Ragamuffin76> found many things: fglrx-amdcccle v 2.6.24.13-19.45, fglrx-amdcccle-envy v2.6.24.503, fglrx-contorl and control-envy
[21:56] <Ragamuffin76> what should i use
[21:57] <Shadow__X> you used envy
[21:57] <Shadow__X> ?
[21:57] <Ragamuffin76> dont know
[21:58] <Shadow__X> did you do this install
[21:58] <Ragamuffin76> after installing mythbuntu i clicked on the driver in hardware monitor and it installed
[21:58] <Shadow__X> hmm
[21:58] <Shadow__X> alt f2
[21:58] <Shadow__X> control-envy
[21:58] <Shadow__X> then reinstall the driver
[21:58] <Shadow__X> or just just it in synaptic to reinstall
[21:59] <Ragamuffin76> couldnt find control-envy
[21:59] <Ragamuffin76> so i just install "fglrx-amdcccle", right?
[21:59] <Ragamuffin76> without envy
[22:00] <Shadow__X> uh i guess that way get rid of everything encvy
[22:00] <Greybeard> that's a dummy package
[22:00] <Shadow__X> and install fglrx
[22:00] <Greybeard> xorg-driver-fglrx and xorg-driver-fglrx-envy seem to be the real ones
[22:01] <Greybeard> but neither seems to say they support the HD3650
[22:01] <Ragamuffin76> yeah, thats green
[22:01] <Ragamuffin76> but i have the same version already installed
[22:01] <Ragamuffin76> reinstall anyway?
[22:02] <Greybeard> ragamuffin, have you tried disabling AIGLX?
[22:02] <Greybeard> that could be conflicting with Xv
[22:02] <Ragamuffin76> sorry but what is AIGLX?
[22:03] <Greybeard> it's the feature that lets you have wobbly windows
[22:03] <Shadow__X> Greybeard, that worked for me
[22:03] <Greybeard> what worked?
[22:03] <Shadow__X> compiz gives wobbly windows
[22:03] <Greybeard> compiz is the X client that does the effects
[22:04] <Greybeard> AIGLX is the feature of the Xorg server that enables compiz to do what it does
[22:04] <Shadow__X> aiglx worked with xv for me on a x1400
[22:04] <Ragamuffin76> i do not understand why xine have hardware support and mplayer not
[22:04] <Greybeard> yeah, but that's no guarantee it'll work on other cards
[22:04] <Greybeard> neither xine nor mplayer uses hardware directly, unless you're using the svga or vesa driver AFAIK
[22:04] <Shadow__X> he doesnt HAVE to use compiz
[22:05] <Greybeard> which is why I'd try turning off AIGLX to see if it makes a difference
[22:05] <Shadow__X> you mean using xgl
[22:05] <Greybeard> no, I mean AIGLX
[22:06] <Shadow__X> back in the day to work around the ati drivers not supported rendering on aiglx you would install xgl
[22:06] <Shadow__X> then beryl and such would work
[22:06] <Greybeard> you can still do that
[22:06] <Ragamuffin76> and what should i do now???
[22:09] <Ragamuffin76> should i add a parameter in den xorg.conf for Overlay Xv?
[22:09] <Greybeard> maybe
[22:09] <Greybeard> what do you have there now?
[22:09] <Shadow__X> oh wait
[22:09] <Greybeard> do you have a manual for fglrx's options?
[22:10] <Greybeard> I'm trying to find the manual
[22:10] <Shadow__X> Section "Device"
[22:10] <Shadow__X> 	[...]
[22:10] <Shadow__X> 	Driver		"fglrx"
[22:10] <Shadow__X> 	Option		"VideoOverlay"	"on"
[22:10] <Shadow__X> 	Option		"OpenGLOverlay"	"off"
[22:10] <Shadow__X> 	[...]
[22:10] <Shadow__X> EndSection
[22:10] <Greybeard> yeah, try turning VideoOverlay on
[22:10] <Greybeard> that may enable Xv
[22:10] <Ragamuffin76> the section "Device" hast just 2 values: Identifier ="Configured Video Device" and Driver ="fglrx"
[22:11] <Shadow__X> yeah that should work with xv
[22:11] <Shadow__X> i forgots about that
[22:11] <Ragamuffin76> do i need to restart after that?
[22:11] <Shadow__X> yeah
[22:11] <Greybeard> you need to restart X
[22:11] <Greybeard> not the whole machine
[22:11] <Shadow__X> eh why not
[22:11] <Shadow__X> :)
[22:12] <Greybeard> why not what?
[22:12] <Shadow__X> restart
[22:14] <Ragamuffin76> ok, i do a restart
[22:15] <Ragamuffin76> if there is "no adapter present" then it didnt worked, right?
[22:15] <Greybeard> correct
[22:15] <Greybeard> what's in the log about XVIDEO or overlay?
[22:16] <Ragamuffin76> xvinfo brings no adapter present :(
[22:17] <Ragamuffin76> what log?
[22:17] <Greybeard> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:19] <Ragamuffin76> "fglrx(0): Video Overlay not supported on AVIVO based graphics cards. For XVideo support use Option "TextreudVideo""
[22:19] <Ragamuffin76> TexturedVideo*
[22:20] <Ragamuffin76> u know what that means?
[22:20] <Greybeard> basically what it says there
[22:21] <Shadow__X> swap out video overlay
[22:21] <Shadow__X> with texturedvideo
[22:21] <Greybeard> yeah, that might work
[22:21] <Shadow__X> make sure it looks right
[22:21] <superm1> on the newer cards it provides a different kind of video overlay
[22:21] <Shadow__X> yeah
[22:22] <superm1> it's kinda like an opengl layer that all the video goes through
[22:22] <Greybeard> but it's exposed through XVIDEO, right?
[22:22] <superm1> yeah
[22:23] <Ragamuffin76> i wrote: Option<TAB>"VideoOberlay"<TAB>"on" and Option<TAB>"VideoGLOberlay"<TAB>"off"
[22:23] <Greybeard> yeah, I guess originally, XVIDEO was only for video overlays, but some cards don't even have that any more because the 3D engine does a better job
[22:23] <Shadow__X> oberlay
[22:23] <Shadow__X> SPELL RIGHT
[22:23] <Greybeard> uberlay
[22:23] <Ragamuffin76> sory
[22:23] <Ragamuffin76> Overlay
[22:24] <Shadow__X> well it makes a difference
[22:24] <Shadow__X> if you spell it wrong
[22:24] <Shadow__X> it wont work
[22:24] <Greybeard> yeah, in config files, you must spell correctly
[22:24] <Ragamuffin76> right, i cannot copy and paste because its a different PC
[22:24] <Shadow__X> hmm
[22:25] <Greybeard> http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd is probably what should be used for that card, but it may not be that easy yet
[22:29] <Ragamuffin76> i do not understand anything.
[22:33] <Ragamuffin76> damn, i wrote one parameter wron. i wrote VideoGLOberlay not OpenGLOverlay
[22:34] <Greybeard> there might be an fglrx man page with those options
[22:34] <Ragamuffin76> i now used aticonfig to set the parameter
[22:34] <Greybeard> yeah, that might be correct
[22:34] <Ragamuffin76> anyway, no adapter present
[22:35] <Ragamuffin76> :(
[22:35] <superm1> yeah aticonfig is a lot quicker to set parameters like this
[22:35] <superm1> and you never mess them up then either
[22:35] <Greybeard> I meant it might give you more correct configurations if you use aticonfig
[22:36] <rhpot1991_laptop> HDHR for $130 if anyone is interested : http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0010Y414Q
[22:36] <Greybeard> not bad
[22:37] <Ragamuffin76> should i try the newer 8.7 driver from ati?
[22:41] <MythbuntuGuest06> Hi - just installed Mythbuntu, followed the instructions for a primary frontend/backend install (I think), but am having trouble. Very slow to boot, and when I quit I get the message "Could not connect to the master backend server"
[22:41] <MythbuntuGuest06> any tips?
[22:41] <Greybeard> when you quit what?
[22:41] <MythbuntuGuest06> When I quit MythTV
[22:41] <Greybeard> mythfrontend?
[22:42] <MythbuntuGuest06> yes
[22:42] <superm1> Ragamuffin76, there is actually a 8-8 announced  today
[22:42] <superm1> i was just playing with it. the performance is much better on my radeon hd 3670
[22:43] <Greybeard> I see mythfrontend complain that it can't connect sometimes, but I'm not sure why it would complain when it quits
[22:43] <MythbuntuGuest06> it's not my main issue, i'm just wondering if it's a symptom of the bigger problem
[22:43] <Greybeard> can you watch TV and recordings?
[22:44] <Ragamuffin76> guest, that could happen when u didnt configure it once. backend and frontned
[22:44] <MythbuntuGuest06> i haven't set this up for TV...really I just want to rip music and DVDs and play them back
[22:45] <Greybeard> MythTV isn't a great package for that
[22:45] <Ragamuffin76> superml, do u use the 8.8 with mythtv?
[22:45] <MythbuntuGuest06> can you recommend an alternative?
[22:45] <Greybeard> no, I haven't found a better comprehensive one
[22:46] <Greybeard> I use MythTV for recording TV, so I put up with some annoyances in the plugins
[22:46] <MythbuntuGuest06> Ugh...just rebooted, it started up in MythTV and now my machine is locked up
[22:46] <MythbuntuGuest06> but before that happened, I saw the window about nm-applet needing access to a keychain
[22:46] <Greybeard> sounds like hardware or video driver issues
[22:47] <Greybeard> nothing responds?
[22:47] <MythbuntuGuest06> Ah, just came back
[22:47] <Ragamuffin76> geust, just konfigure the frontend and backend once.
[22:47] <MythbuntuGuest06> took about a minute that time
[22:47] <Ragamuffin76> worked for me
[22:47] <MythbuntuGuest06> in the "Mythbuntu control centre"?
[22:48] <Ragamuffin76> Mythbuntu Backend Setup and in MythTV Frontned the Generell Configuration
[22:49] <Ragamuffin76> have to go. thanks for ur help
[22:49] <MythbuntuGuest06> thank you!
[22:49] <Ragamuffin76> hope it works 4 u to
[22:51] <jayzi> are there any known issues with using AMD Sempron 1100 chip with MythBuntu?
[22:52] <rhpot1991_laptop> jayzi: what kind of problems?
[22:52] <MythbuntuGuest06> hmmm....not sure where Mythbuntu backend setup is
[22:52] <Greybeard> Ubuntu and MythTV work on a wide variety of both x86 an x86_64 AMD chips
[22:52] <MythbuntuGuest06> I found MythTV backend setup
[22:53] <Greybeard> I doubt there's any particular detail of a Sempron 1100 that would affect Mythbuntu
[22:54] <jayzi> I have a friend that said he used an ECS mobo, and an AMD chip and had issues trying to load. Just wanted to check and confirm it was just him
[22:54] <Greybeard> motherboards can have far more issues than CPUs
[22:54] <jayzi> are the ECS motherboards more known to not work, what are some recommended ones?
[22:55] <Greybeard> I had a MythTV system with Via chipset ECS motherboard and a Duron 800 that worked most of the time, but locked up some times
[22:55] <Greybeard> the motherboard chipset is probably more significant than the manufacturer
[22:55] <Greybeard> the Via 686 in particular has a bad reputation
[22:55] <Greybeard> that's what was on the board that gave me trouble
[22:56] <Greybeard> OTOH, newer Via Athlon64 chipsets haven't given me much trouble
[22:58] <balz> Is there a way i can work with the X desktop from my myth server on a windows client?
[22:58] <Greybeard> several
[22:58] <Greybeard> VNC is probably easiest
[22:58] <balz> Hey there, Greybeard
[22:58] <Greybeard> hi
[22:58] <Greybeard> MCC can enable the VNC server I think
[22:59] <balz> What package do i need to download on the server-side?
[22:59] <Greybeard> MCC has a button for it I think
[22:59] <balz> okay... let me google that
[22:59] <Greybeard> tightvncserver would be the Ubuntu package
[23:00] <Greybeard> http://www.tightvnc.com/download.html has Windows downloads
[23:00] <balz> okay cool. thanks
[23:00] <balz> i got the myth box working, btw
[23:00] <Greybeard> sure
[23:00] <Greybeard> good
[23:00] <Greybeard> you started from scratch again?
[23:02] <balz> yeah
[23:02] <balz> it turns out i made it way more complicated than i had to the first time
[23:02] <Greybeard> yeah, when I first installed MythTV, I had to mess around with the setup for quite a while before it worked properly
[23:02] <balz> yeah i still don't konw what the hell i did
[23:03] <balz> oh dammit... now PuTTY isn't letting me log in
[23:03] <Greybeard> hopefully, you won't have to change much from now on
[23:03] <Greybeard> a MythTV installation can last years
[23:03] <Greybeard> I've even switched distros and kept the same MythTV setup
[23:04] <balz> haha that's definitley good to hear
[23:04] <balz> no it turns out I didn't define a few things properly during the initial setup
[23:04] <Greybeard> that's why I don't remember exactly how I fixed some problems I had at the beginning
[23:04] <balz> stuff like the remote control
[23:04] <Greybeard> yeah, Lirc can be tricky too
[23:05] <balz> yeah. well i just realized that there is a setting for my remote that i just needed to select...
[23:05] <Greybeard> good
[23:06] <balz> is ssh enabled by default on myth installs?
[23:06] <Greybeard> I'm not sure
[23:06] <Greybeard> have you used it on this iteration?
[23:07] <balz> no
[23:07] <balz> I finished the installation about 4 minutes ago
[23:07] <Greybeard> I think MCC has a button for sshd too
[23:07] <balz> what exactly is MCC?
[23:07] <balz> oh mythbuntu control center?
[23:07] <Greybeard> just a GUI configuration tool
[23:07] <balz> yeah see i can't read anything on that though
[23:07] <balz> bc the only monitor that's enabled is my tv
[23:08] <Greybeard> yeah, that's why you need VNC
[23:08] <balz> don't i need ssh for vnc though?
[23:08] <Greybeard> no
[23:08] <Greybeard> but you should have both
[23:08] <balz> or what if i used telnet since i'm on a local network?
[23:08] <Greybeard> no reason to use telnet
[23:08] <balz> except that i need to install tightvnc-server
[23:09] <Greybeard> just run "sudo aptitude install openssh-server"
[23:09] <balz> okay
[23:09] <Greybeard> ﻿"sudo aptitude install openssh-server tightvncserver"
[23:11] <balz> done
[23:11] <balz> what's the difference between sudo apt-get install and sudo aptitude install?
[23:11] <Greybeard> aptitude is a slightly different apt frontend
[23:11] <balz> okay
[23:12] <Greybeard> so, the commands are roughly equivalent
[23:12] <balz> do i have to explicitly start the tightvncserver?
[23:12] <Greybeard> probably
[23:12] <balz> what's the command?
[23:13] <Greybeard> when you run tightvncserver, it starts a new X session of the current user
[23:13] <jayzi> the motherboard i am looking at getting is GeForce6100SM-M it says it has the Geforce6100/nForce405 integrated chipset anyone used it?
[23:14] <Greybeard> btw, if you install the tightvnc-java package as well, you don't even need a native viewer
[23:15] <balz> Greybeard:  wait i'm a bit confused... tightvnc viewer is what i need to work with my myth box on my windows client, right?
[23:15] <Greybeard> right
[23:16] <balz> and so do i need to do anything special server-side?  like is there a  command i need to enter to run the vnc server?
[23:16] <Greybeard> or, you can install the tightvnc-java package on the Ubuntu system and a web browser with a Java plugin
[23:16] <Greybeard> yes, run "tightvncserver"
[23:16] <balz> and do i connect using a hostname ilke in putty?
[23:16] <Greybeard> it'll be something like hostname:1
[23:17] <balz> so in the Tightvnc viewer, i enter "hostname:1" under VNC server?
[23:18] <Greybeard> yep
[23:18] <jayzi> i use a windows box and tightvnc all i did was enable the vnc option in mythbuntu control centre
[23:18] <balz> it said fail to connect
[23:18] <Greybeard> when you start tightvncserver, it tells you what the number is
[23:18] <balz> ooh nvm... i can barely read it... it says "new x desktop is server:1
[23:18] <balz> so it's server:1 that i enter?
[23:18] <Greybeard> yep
[23:18] <Greybeard> jayzi: I suggested that first
[23:19] <balz> jayzi:  i can't read anything on my tv so i don't think i'd be able to use MCC
[23:19] <balz> got it! i'm in... wooot!
[23:19] <jayzi> that would make it hard!
[23:20] <Greybeard> I've usually had a real monitor plugged into a brand new mythbox
[23:20] <Greybeard> but, using either VNC or remote X11, that's not necessary
[23:20] <jayzi> Greybeard: is the chipset i listed one to be concerned about?
[23:20] <Greybeard> I don't know
[23:20] <balz> Greybeard:  yeah, but the only way I can get mythtv to start the frontend in the tv is by making it the primary (and only) monitor
[23:20] <balz> it's a bit odd...
[23:20] <balz> what's the command for the mythbuntu control centre?
[23:21] <Greybeard> mythbuntu-control-centre
[23:21] <balz> oh.  i probably should have just guessed =)
[23:21] <Greybeard> I guess the author isn't American
[23:21] <balz> yeah lol
[23:22] <Greybeard> or more precisely, the author isn't from the US
[23:22] <Greybeard> they write centre in Canada
[23:23] <balz> yeah and in england
[23:23] <balz> should i enable the proprietary codecs?
[23:23] <Greybeard> what do you plan on watching with MythVideo?
[23:23] <jayzi> have you heard of the issue where during install with the live cd it jumps out of the install and goes to the mythbuntu desktop?
[23:23] <balz> .avi files
[23:23] <balz> basically a bunch of bittorrent stuff
[23:24] <Greybeard> AVI can contain all kinds of codecs, though they're typically MPEG-4 ASP and MP3
[23:24] <balz> i think they're usually xvids
[23:24] <Greybeard> anyway, yeah, install the proprietary codecs for maximum functionality
[23:24] <Greybeard> yeah, Xvid is an MPEG-4 ASP implementation
[23:24] <balz> gotcha
[23:25] <Greybeard> so, most AVIs wouldn't need the proprietary codecs, but some would
[23:26] <balz> Greybeard:  I don't have access to my apps menu in this vnc thing, so how would i get to the Samba GUI?
[23:26] <Greybeard> which GUI is that?
[23:27] <balz> the default one... you go to apps>system>shared folders  ... or something like that
[23:27] <Greybeard> I've generally configured /etc/samba/smb.conf directly, so I don't know what the GUI's called
[23:27] <balz> maybe i should just do that
[23:27] <balz> is that hard?
[23:27] <Greybeard> you should be able to start the xfce session with a command like xfce4-session
[23:27] <Greybeard> then you'll have the same desktop
[23:27] <balz> aah let me try that
[23:28] <Greybeard> the GUI's probably easier and faster
[23:28] <Greybeard> I've been using Samba for a long time, probably longer than the tool's existed
[23:29] <balz> yeah. every time i've even looked at the smb.conf it's been epic fail
[23:30] <Greybeard> yeah, it takes a bit to get used to, so use the GUI if you can
[23:32] <balz> what's the command to create a new directory?
[23:32] <Greybeard> mkdir
[23:34] <balz> where do i define the directories for the videos and posters for mythvideo?
[23:34] <Greybeard> in the Setup area in mythfrontend
[23:34] <Greybeard> I think
[23:35] <Greybeard> I haven't really used the posters
[23:36] <balz> okay
[23:36] <balz> crap. do you know how to pull up a terminal in the X desktop of a VNC?  I have nothing
[23:36] <Greybeard> no windows at all?
[23:36] <balz> nothing
[23:36] <Greybeard> you need to start a terminal from another ssh session
[23:37] <Greybeard> "DISPLAY=:1 xterm"
[23:37] <Greybeard> or the command to start the XFCE session
[23:37] <balz> okay. i think i need to reboot for the ssh to start up anyway
[23:37] <Greybeard> xfce-session or xfce4-session or something
[23:38] <Greybeard> if you installed openssh-server, it should have started
[23:38] <balz> i keep getting access denied
[23:38] <Greybeard> that means it's running
[23:39] <Greybeard> if the ssh client couldn't connect to the server, it would say so
[23:42] <balz> so why can i not connect?
[23:42] <Greybeard> what does ssh tell you?
[23:45] <balz> just access denied
[23:45] <Greybeard> that's the entire output?
[23:45] <balz> yeah. on putty at least
[23:46] <balz> oh god... i am an idiot
[23:46] <balz> i am such an idiot... i was using the wrong username...
[23:47] <Greybeard> yeah, that'll do it
[23:49] <balz> hmmm... when i start up the xfce4 seesion, i can't unlock any of the gui options...
[23:49] <Greybeard> I'm not sure why that would be
[23:50] <balz> i guess it's bc i'm logged in as root? but that doesnt make sense
[23:50] <Greybeard> why don't you log in as the same user as you would locally?
[23:50] <balz> i'm not sure. it just did it automatically
[23:50] <balz> i had to use sudo tightvncserver to get it to start... so maybe that has something to do with it
[23:51] <Greybeard> no, just run tightvncserver
[23:51] <Greybeard> no sudo
[23:51] <balz> yeah i don't think it worked though
[23:53] <balz> yeah when i type in tightvncserver i get "wrong type or access mode of /home/louist.vnc.
[23:53] <Greybeard> that's probably because you used sudo the first time
[23:54] <Greybeard> get rid of the file it's talking about
[23:54] <balz> what's the command?
[23:54] <Greybeard> you'll probably have to use "sudo rm"
[23:55] <balz> rm:  cannot remove /home/louis/.vnc:  is a directory
[23:55] <Greybeard> well, then you need "sudo rm -r"
[23:56] <balz> that seems to have done it
[23:56] <Greybeard> when you run commands as sudo, they still see the regular user's home directory
[23:56] <Greybeard> so, that can leave root-owned files in your home directory
[23:57] <balz> i see
[23:57] <balz> so anything root owned is untouched?
[23:57] <balz> ooh no sory
[23:57] <balz> you're saying that normally you can't leave files owned by other users in a home directory?
[23:57] <Greybeard> the regular user can't change the files created by a command running as root
[23:58] <balz> oh okay i see
[23:58] <balz> right because sudo has higher priviledges than the user
[23:58] <Greybeard> sudo just runs the command as another user (root if you don't specify)
[23:58] <Greybeard> but running sudo command isn't the same as logging in as root and running the same command
[23:59] <Greybeard> the environment variables like HOME will be different
[23:59] <balz> i see
[23:59] <balz> root is a completely different account
[23:59] <Greybeard> yes
[23:59] <balz> whereas running sudo under user 'x' will have user "root"  work within X's account