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uvirtbot`New bug: #259595 in samba (main) "synaptic unable to install - broken dependency samba-common" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25959500:41
pschulz01What is the best way to get a package listing with versions?00:49
sommerkirkland: ya, I posted a couple of links concerning RAID, and since you're the raid master now, the props go to you :-)01:28
sommerpschulz01: dpkg -l > yay_packages.txt01:36
pschulz01sommer: Ta :-001:50
pschulz01sommer: Thanks.. together with a git controlled /etc this gives what I want.01:51
sommernp01:55
pschulz01sommer: What is the state of the current 'ubuntu-server' documentation?01:56
sommerpschulz01: here's a link to the most updated content on the web: http://doc.ubuntu.com/~mdke/test/serverguide/C/01:57
sommerpschulz01: there's newer content in the bzr branch: bzr branch lp:ubuntu-doc01:57
pschulz01sommer: I am in the position where I can offer some paid work to some local 'interns'..  and updaing the serverguide would be good use of this resource.01:59
sommerpschulz01: sweet, the apache section needs some love... I was thinking of adding instructions for a2enmod, a2ensite, etc01:59
sommerpschulz01: also a big help is to just work through the current sections and make sure things like package names, path names, etc are still valid02:00
pschulz01sommer: That could e a good introductory excersise.02:02
sommerpschulz01: also a good learning experience :)02:02
pschulz01sommer: These guys a keen, but complete newbies.02:03
sommerheh, I remember those days... ah youth02:04
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Sylphidcould someone point me to a guide to set up raid1 post install without loosing data? ... i tried this one > http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Migrate_To_RAID < but im having problems booting to the new raid partition02:24
uvirtbot`New bug: #259609 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.2.1-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25960902:51
ari_stressgood morning guys :)03:07
unewbi1morning03:17
ari_stresswhat's the topic?03:17
unewbi1how to install mysql connector for java?03:18
ari_stressugh, that's hard03:19
ari_stressi dont know03:19
unewbi1anyone?03:19
michalskidoes anyone know how to change the default runlevel in ubuntu?03:36
ScottKmichalski: What problem are you trying to solve?03:40
michalskiScottK: when my computer boots it goes into runlevel 3, I need it to go into 503:41
michalski*want it03:41
ScottKWhy?03:42
ScottKI'm not sure what you think this will accomplish?03:42
michalskiI jst recently customized the runlevels using sysv-rc-conf and now it send it off to 303:43
michalski(it will send me into a graphical session?)03:43
ScottKRight because in Ubuntu 2 - 5 all do the same thing.03:43
michalskiunless customized...03:43
ScottKYes.03:43
ScottKI guess I still don't understand why.03:44
michalskiI would want to do this?03:44
ScottKYes.03:45
ScottKNote that unless you're on Dapper you're using Upstart with sysv emulation and not a try sysv init system.03:46
michalskidifferent environmental conditions change around my server causing me to want to change runlevels at moments notice, eg: powergoes out; server going down for maintenence; unauthed user detected, ect...03:46
michalskipardon?03:47
ScottKUbuntu doesn't use the traditional sysv inits.  It has Upstart instead.  Upstart emulates sysv very nicely, but it is a different system.03:48
michalski(what is upstart.....)03:48
* ScottK hands michalski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstart03:49
michalskiah03:49
michalskiso why would this be a problem...we can still change the booted runlevel right?03:50
ScottKMy recommendation is that althought the sysv init emulation in Upstart has been very well tested for normal use, you might be making different assumptions about normal use than the Upstart author did.03:51
ScottKI would assume, but I've never needed to do it.03:51
michalskihmm03:51
ScottKBTW, I didn't know until I read it there that Fedora had started using it.03:53
michalskihey I found it! /etc/inittab03:55
michalskitheres a section in there for default runlevel03:55
michalski...if the file existed :s03:55
ScottKI think that only even exists if you upgraded the system from Dapper.  Dunno if it still does anything or not.03:59
michalskii've only been using ubuntu since 7.0404:01
michalskii was just thinking....if you can specify the runlevel at boot (via manual input to grub), can't I just modify /boot/grub/menu.lst?04:03
michalskiok back in 10 gonna try it04:11
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nodoubtrndc: error on bind restart??08:31
clustyhey08:54
clustysome distro's force users to have strong passowords08:54
clustyis it possible to automatically enfore a few rules in all users passwords?08:54
clustyi mean that will change then from now on08:55
`6ogyes it is.08:56
`6ogpam-cracklib would be a place to start08:56
sven-tekHi there! I have gone through the testing steps at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Testing . I have got this: http://nopaste.biz/49942 "not such device"09:27
kirklandsven-tek: okay, does /home/shaggy/Private and /home/shaggy/.Private exist?09:28
sven-tekyes, they are directories09:29
kirklandsven-tek: ls -alF ~/.ecryptfs09:32
sven-tekhttp://nopaste.biz/4994309:33
kirklandsven-tek: which mount.ecryptfs_private09:36
kirklandsven-tek: ls -alF `which mount.ecryptfs_private`09:36
kirklandsven-tek: mount.ecryptfs_private09:37
sven-tekhere it is: sven-tek@bluebox:~$ which mount.ecryptfs_private09:38
sven-tek/sbin/mount.ecryptfs_private09:38
sven-teksven-tek@bluebox:~$ ls -alF `which mount.ecryptfs_private`09:38
sven-tek-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 9632 2008-08-15 21:12 /sbin/mount.ecryptfs_private*09:38
sven-tekthe .last filenameit is backgrounded red09:38
sven-tekBut file seems to be okay: file /sbin/mount.ecryptfs_private09:40
sven-tek/sbin/mount.ecryptfs_private: setuid ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped09:40
sven-tekoh moment, iam running a custom bulid kernel. Are there any modules involved?09:42
sven-tekkirkland, sorry its my fault!09:45
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clusty`6og, thanks. have some example for ubuntu? I found just some redhat stuff that claims to have been patched in some specific way10:16
ghalebhello, I have installed pptp vpn server,  but my clients suffer from very low service, what u think the reason could be10:40
hubuntuThis may be a dumb question, but I just have to ask: After installing drupal in Hardy, how can I mount a site with it? I have no idea on how to set up a site with it. Is there a sh script or something to run in a desired directory?11:17
hubuntuI'm clueless, really...11:17
hubuntunormally I just untar the file from drupal.org in a directory and there I install it, but since I'm using Ubuntu server I wanted to figure out how that works11:18
hubuntuthx in advance11:18
jpdshubuntu: Look at where it installs it: dpkg -L drupal11:21
Kamping_Kaiserclusty, no i dont, sorry12:04
pschulz01Kamping_Kaiser: !!!12:04
Kamping_Kaiser:O12:05
hubuntufound it. Thanks jpds! Now I just have to figure out how to make another drupal site on, say, a user home... anyone?12:12
Kamping_Kaiserhubuntu, that sounds like the sort of stuff which would be covered in the docs ... (/usr/share/doc/$packagename/)12:38
hubuntuyes Kamping_Kaiser, I found out. Thx12:40
didrockshi everyone12:41
hubuntuhi didrocks12:41
didrocksI am interested in working on ufw integration (now that removing multiuser tag is done :))12:42
didrocksI saw this page, can I directly edit it to assign, let's say apache2 and openssh for a begining ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap#UFW%20Package%20Integration12:42
hubuntudidrocks, probably it's ok, but it would be better to coordinate your effort with Jamie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JamieStrandboge12:44
hubuntuin that way he will know, and if there's work done into that, he will surely know where to point you at12:45
didrocksyes, he seems to not be there at this time. I will send him an email, thx :)12:45
byte_slavehi everyone, good afternoon!12:46
hubuntuhi byte_slave12:46
didrockshi byte_slave12:46
byte_slavehow can i completly uninstall a package even the /etc config files12:47
byte_slavei used apt-get remove --purge packagename but /etc files remain12:47
hubuntuerase those12:47
byte_slaveno prob to do that manually?12:47
hubuntunot really, but you mjst be sure nothing else is using those files12:48
hubuntuwhat program is it you want to uinstall?12:48
byte_slavei installed mailx and sendmail12:48
byte_slavebut i want completly uninstall all this and start from zero12:48
byte_slaveso i have yet files in /etc/mail and /etc/mailrc12:49
hubuntuyou should be careful there... anyone has some advice to share?12:50
Kamping_Kaiserbyte_slave, you can either reinstall it, or `dpkg -l $package` and remove the files listed by hand12:50
byte_slavegreat, i ran that seems cleaned :)12:51
hubuntudpkg -l is really useful, I can't believe I had forgotten such a feautre existed. Can it be used to find a certain library as well?12:58
hubuntulike libjpeg or something?12:58
hubuntulibjpeg.so or what the name was (needed for livecam.sourceforge.net)12:59
sommermorning13:37
* delcoyote hi13:38
byte_slavequestion: i removed mailx and sendmail but sendmail command and mail command still in /usr/bin is that supposed?13:52
uvirtbot`New bug: #259740 in bind9 (main) "DNS: not able to use IPv6 Resolvers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25974013:56
xiaopiDid somebody manage to boot from an iso with last ubuntu-xen-server with an HVM kernel VM ?14:05
xiaopiTryed all the tap:aio: / mount / losetup to loop methods14:06
xiaopinone made the trick, stuck at bios after : Booting from CD-ROM ...14:07
byte_slavei forgot the apt-get autoremove i guess :) now my question above is answered14:11
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vikramHow do you boot into single user mode?14:49
vikrama la init 1 ?14:49
verwilsthellow15:02
verwilstyou guys know a solid SATA RAID card that works perfectly with hardy server?15:03
verwilsti know about areca, but that's 400 EUR :) something a bit cheaper but still reliable out there?15:03
fromporta secondhand areca/3ware ? ;-)15:07
\shdon't compare 3ware and areca...*grmpf* slow but stable vs. fast but unstable, at least our arecas here :(15:09
vikraminit-top in the initrd, is that called before init is executed or just after?15:16
maswanWe have a couple of new arecas here that seems to work fine. The previous test a couple of years ago made us not want them at all though. So things might have improved.15:16
maswanBut out of choice I'd go for a 3ware card15:17
axisysafter updating the update-initramfs do I need to reboot.. unfortunately on server udont get the reboot request like in client :-(15:17
verwilsthm15:17
verwilstand what about lsi megaraid?15:17
verwilstthat's a lot cheaper :)15:17
verwilstareca = 490EUR, 3ware +- 270, lsi 17015:18
verwilstive seen megaraid modules a lot, i think dell uses those, right?15:18
maswanwell, if you want to go the software raid path, you can get by with a resonably cheap plain sas/sata card15:18
verwilstnah no software raid15:18
verwilsti have software raid now15:18
maswanmegaraid in general is horrible, but there might be a decent one or two under that name too15:18
verwilstmaswan: define horrible?15:18
maswanverwilst: weird crappy management, strange performance issues, not very reliable15:19
verwilsthm15:20
verwilstmaswan: dell uses those too eh?15:20
maswanverwilst: yes, but with a different firmware15:21
verwilstoh15:21
verwilstso a second-hand 3ware would be my best bet?15:21
maswanSo it'd depend on how old a dell raid it is, etc. Some of the older ones were really bad.15:21
maswanI don't keep up much with recent dells, we don't buy them anymore15:23
verwilstwell my server is fully intel15:23
verwilstbut i want to get rid of my software raid15:23
verwilsti have 1 raid 5 now with 3 disks15:24
verwilstand /boot on software raid = troubles i heard15:24
maswanah, well, software raid1 is fine, but other raid levels might be troubles.15:27
maswanbut if you want reliable, I'd recommend 3ware15:27
verwilstmaswan: http://www.descom.be/shop.php?cPath=87 < but which one :P15:27
verwilstso many to choose from15:27
verwilst4ports , that's for sure15:27
\shsmartarray ;) but this means switching to hp15:27
verwilsti guess all of them are supported?15:28
\shbut imho they are using lsi nowadays too15:28
maswanverwilst: sure. the higher numbers are usually faster.15:28
maswan\sh: since quite some time, IIRC. but totally different firmware.15:28
\shmaswan: yes...I'll wait for my new dl365 + p800i15:29
\shit will replace these areca storage machines15:29
maswan\sh: our latest storage adventure is a dl185 running opensolaris and zfs. there the p800i had crap performance, so we replaced it with a plain sas card and suddenly it was very speedy.15:30
\shattached to it a msa60 + 12x 750GB sata drives...15:30
\shmaswan: I just need the p800i because of the external storage...15:36
vikramIs there a way of removing apparmor?15:49
elventearAnybody using Xen on ubuntu-server?15:53
nodoubtMUST a bind authoritative dns server be a dns caching server inorder for local network computers to be succesfully served a webpage hosted within local network ?16:14
nodoubtor can a dns server NOT B a caching server?16:15
Sp0tterSo i locked myself out of root form my server (located far away) by overwriting my group permision when I moved myself to the ftp group i created, and this was before i knew the install didn't set the root pw.  anyways is there a way to run apache web server from within my home directory without installing it ?16:51
Sp0tterI can't access the config files for it where the are from my account16:51
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AlexC_g'morning18:02
AlexC_should I ideally set the delay_warning_time of Postfix to something other than 0h?18:18
ScottK-laptopAlexC_: Why do you want to change it?18:19
ScottK-laptop4 hours is sort of normal, if you need it at all.18:19
AlexC_I'm just wondering if I should actually need it, ideally18:19
lamontnodoubt: all BIND instances have a cache.. :)  If the machine is authoritative for everything it serves, there is no need for it to allow recursion for anyone (which would mean it never got non-authoritative data into the cache)18:20
AlexC_default is 0h, which is off basically18:20
lamontAlexC_: it's zero by default because many people don't want the spamage from the mail server telling them that 4 hours has gone by18:20
ScottK-laptopUser can't do anything except complain to an admin.  Decide if that's a bug or a feature.18:20
AlexC_=) I'll keep it off then18:21
frithwhat is the difference between using the basic server install cd and jeos?18:31
zuljeos is optimized for vms18:33
frithif i created a lvm from two drives and the second fails, what will happen?18:37
jmedinafrith: you mean al Volume Group made of 2 PV?18:42
frithyes18:43
frithi haven't really used lvm18:43
jmedinafrith: the use it and trye that18:43
jmedinayou can try it with filebased volumes18:43
frithsaying that i don't know what is the best configuration to go with for my server18:44
jmedinalvm is only volume manager, if you want protection you need to setupo lvm over RAID18:44
frithi have one raid5 volume ~400gb and one mirrored pair 300gb18:45
jmedinafrith: well, we dont know the purpose of your server18:45
frithme either :)18:45
frithi think i want to use kvm18:45
jmedinanever used kvm only xen18:45
frithkvm seems to be the way to go18:46
frithi want to test out different stuff18:46
frithi guess i will forget about the 300gb for now18:47
frithi am not sure about its reliability18:48
jmedinafrith: why?18:50
jmedinait is raid1, isnt it?18:50
jmedinawe use sofware raid1 in most of my and customers servers18:51
frithjmedina, i rescued both disks from a blown disk array18:58
friththe 300gb drives that is18:58
frithi figured it out18:58
frithraid pair for home and the raid 4 volume for vm's18:58
frithnow i need to think of a good domain name18:59
uvirtbotNew bug: #259827 in apache2 (main) "Please sync apache2 2.2.9-7 (main) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25982719:05
gsalah_hello, is the pptp vpn server should be the gateway for others servers ?19:13
frithhmm i thought opterons supported hardware virtualisation19:18
jmedinanot all19:20
frithsigh19:21
frithi guess its not big deal19:21
jmedinaonly if you want to install windows19:21
jmedinawith paravirt works well with opterons at least with xen19:22
jmedinawe have about 30 vms running with paravirtualization in one server19:22
frithwow19:24
frithhow many cores?19:24
jmedina2 dobule xeon19:25
frithits funny, i can buy a 32gb server with 8 cores with 4tb for 2.5k19:25
frithare they all pretty much idle?19:27
jmedina2.5K?19:28
frith£250019:28
lukehasnonameoh haha19:29
jmedinapretty cheap, I remember 2 years I spent 5k for 8 cores, 4GB and 1TB19:29
lukehasnonamefrith, I thought you meant $250019:29
frithi don't know how much systems are in the states19:29
BrucevdkSSH question, is it possible to define either the use of public keys or passwords on a per account/user basis? E.g. a user designated "has key" should not be able to login with a passwords, temporary low-level accounts are allowed to login with a password. Non-designated accounts should not be able to connect over SSH.19:30
frithi should ebay my current servers and replace them with one machine19:32
jmedinaBrucevdk: I think in the newests releases of openssh you can manage groups19:32
frithssh has been able to do groups for ages19:33
frithallowgroups iirc19:33
frithor group allow19:34
BrucevdkThat still wouldn't allow the finely grained permissions I was talking about though, would it?19:35
jmedinahttp://www.openssh.com/txt/release-5.1 I think it is match groups and match addresses19:35
jmedinafrith: yeap they only use global configs, not per user19:35
BrucevdkThink I'll just drop this idea for now then, when I use `AllowGroups ssh` does Deny all other groups?19:42
michalskinot nessecarily, you would just need to be part of the ssh group to be able to login19:43
michalski,via ssh19:43
AdrianNhello can any1 help me if possible pls?19:45
AdrianNi have a server with the internet working on it... eth0 with a static ip adress, i have there 4 more networks cards each one with another ip adress all up working, eth0 has: 191.191.2.1,eth2:192.168.0.2,eth3:192.168.0.3,eth4:192.168.0.4.19:46
AdrianNall are static ip's19:46
AdrianNafter those 4 cards will be clients, how can i make the routes so i can give to the clients another class of IP's, like: 192.193.2.*19:47
uvirtbotNew bug: #259844 in samba (main) "Samba share permissions not migrated to Intrepid, not working?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25984419:56
frithhow can i get the current speed of my cpu's ?19:58
jmedinacat /proc/cpuinfo19:59
frithbut does that give the speed if they have throttled down?20:00
frithoh yes it does20:00
frithright time to get power management working20:01
frithpowersaved ? is that the best thing to use?20:02
frithah there we go :)20:17
ScottKleonel: Are you around.20:22
Brucevdkjmedina, and others: thanks for the help, I've decided to go with AllowGroups + PasswordAuthentication for now. If needed I'll try and see if more finely grained permissions are possible. Thanks again20:23
jmedinaBrucevdk: you are welcome20:28
nxvlkirkland: just commented un update-motd20:40
nxvlkirkland: it has a minor issue i posted there everything you need20:40
nxvlbrb20:44
frithis it wrong of me to arrange the disks in my rack so i can write words?20:52
uvirtbotNew bug: #256563 in openvpn (universe) "Arbitrary code execution in 2.1 prior to 2.1-rc9 (dup-of: 256621)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25656321:07
frithooo compiling a kernel is like watching pain dry21:28
frithhmmm, not very impressive, only slowed down my server from 2.2ghz to 1.822:04
frithsurely it can go down to 1ghz or something22:04
slavikany idea why the cups web interface would freeze when selecting make/model of the printer?22:40
jmedinaslavik: have you check the logs?22:41
slavikAug 20 17:37:55 upserv kernel: [11226.466619] audit(1219268273.160:13): type=1503 operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="a::" denied_mask="a::" name="/dev/tty" pid=8392 profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd" namespace="default"22:41
jmedinaI mean cups logs22:41
slavikE [20/Aug/2008:16:31:54 -0400] CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized22:42
slavikno idea why22:42
slavikwhen I select 'HP' in the make list, the web interfaces takes a while to respond (it just comes up with a blank page after that)22:43
slavikE [20/Aug/2008:16:31:16 -0400] PID 6902 (/usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi) crashed on signal 9!22:43
slavikthat also seems relavant22:43
* jmedina loves kde printer interface22:44
* slavik loves gnome printer interface22:44
slavikbut this is a server install (no X)22:44
jmedinaslavik: have you tried lpadmin?22:46
slavikhmm22:47
slavikI used it to add printers, but what I tell it the make is so that it uses the proper driver?22:47
slavikthen again, the first time I tried to add a printer, it worked ...22:48
slavikshould I try purging cups and reinstalling it?22:48
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slavikit stops working when I click 'Continue' on the page to select the manufacturer (or upload the ppd file)22:55
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