=== asac_ is now known as asac [10:10] So, I'm working on a new ubuntu-mid-default-settings package that will replace ume-config-* for intrepid. [10:11] Basically, I'm presuming that xinput hotplug should be doing the right thing for intrepid, so we really only need the startup and shutdown stuff. [10:11] Some of the environment creation stuff will become the responsibility of the installer. [10:12] Also, looking at the moblin-applets package, it seems to do very policy-incompliant with gconf: if anyone can sort that out to work for arbitratily named users, it would be great. [10:12] persia: The gconf defaults mechanism in dh_gconf is not user specific, that would be a good option [10:13] lool: Sounds good. Is that something you have time to chase? [10:13] Depends for when it's due :-) [10:13] Another thing I noticed is that moblin-applets is using the /desktop/gnome namespace [10:14] There might be a good reason for that such as relying on the real GNOME applets to change the keys [10:17] I wouldn't think that changes to the postinst to be policy compliant would violate FeatureFreeze, so we ought be safe there. [10:17] That said, I'd only extremely limited understanding of why it's doing what it's doing. [10:26] persia: I poked dev@moblin.org on this stuff; I fear we're putting the finger in "cleaning up GConf key usage" across moblin [10:26] persia: What I fear is that we approach feature freeze and hildon related changes to Ubuntu main packages end up being considered feature additions [10:27] That makes sense. I don't think we can clean everything for intrepid, but I don't think anyone else uses moblin-applets, so it ought be OK. [10:28] In other words, as long as the chances of breaking anything for anyone else are nil, and we're dealing with something so incredibly messy in one of our packages, I think it will make our lives easier to fix it. [10:33] persia: I'll try to remember to move these to dh_gconf [10:33] persia: Did you rename ume-config-common already? Are you aware it's an upstream module? [10:36] I wasn't renaming, so much as dropping it entirely in favour of something else. I wasn't aware it was an upstream module. [10:37] My specific rationale is that I don't think that we get any useful benefits from hardcoding each config: it essentially means that we can't create images that work properly on arbitrary hardware, [10:38] persia: Anyway, I agree it should die; I just mention it FYI [10:39] lool: OK. I was afraid you had some reason to keep it. [10:44] you guys want global gconf changes ? why dont you do them in /usr/share/gconf/defaults/ ? [10:45] (thats why my gnome MID desktop will do at least, i think we use it stadardized in the main distro as well) [10:55] ogra: I thought you were working on ubuntu-mobile, not ubuntu-mid. Am I mistaken? [10:56] no, i still get the wording wrong :) [10:57] though what i understood from davidm was that he wants me to do http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ume/ [10:57] which is definately closer to -mid atm [10:58] Hrm. I thought we were using hildon again for -mid, and using that for -mobile. We definitely need to block out and document the featureset better next cycle. [10:58] definately [10:59] but next cycle we wont be busy with merges and PPA moving for 2/3 of the development time [10:59] and we will be able to write proper specs in advance [11:00] Well, there's that. Also, next cycle we'll get to start at the beginning, rather than having our release be well after UDS. [11:00] right [11:16] ogra: That's where we intend to have them [11:16] OK. I lose. I wanted to make the system not depend on the username, but without depending on the username, we can't autologin. [11:16] That said, I'd like to change the username from "ume" to "ubuntu". Any objections? [11:16] ogra: dh_gconf is the best way to put them in /usr/share/gconf/defaults [11:18] ah, i usually just put the file with keys/values in there and run update-gconf-defauls :) [11:18] i bet thats what dh_gconf does in postinst then [11:18] persia, since ubuntu is what we use on the liveCD that sounds fine [11:18] ogra: Putting the files and running update-gconf-defaults is what dh_gconf does! [11:19] But then you must have missed its introduction as both tools were written at the same time [11:19] heh [11:19] i didnt do that from packages since ages :) [11:20] (its about a year ago that i touched edubuntu-artwork last, which does these settings for edubuntu ... in the classmate the installer puts the file in place and calls the command) [11:54] * ogra-Q1 hates daily disconnects [11:54] wow, cellwriter really makes a good kbd [11:56] ogra-Q1: screenshot? [11:56] ogra-Q1: isn't it cellwriter that is predictive or is that something else? [11:56] * ogra-Q1 is in "eat your own dogfood" mode today [11:58] davmor2, cw is actually writing recognition... but comes with an internationalized kbd as well [11:58] ogra-Q1: okay cool :) [11:59] the o ly drawback is that it sts on top with metacity [12:04] persia, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/cellwriter.png [12:05] ogra-Q1: Looking very nice indeed :) [12:06] with a bitmore trainig and better screen calibration i could rellally type like with any other kbd [12:06] i got relly fast within 10 mins of usage [12:54] Meeting in 5 mns in #ubuntu-meeting [12:59] Meeting starting soon in #ubuntu-meeting [13:04] lool: ok thanks === CShadowRun is now known as cshadowrun === cshadowrun is now known as CShadowRun === mkrufky is now known as mkrufky-lunch === mkrufky-lunch is now known as mkrufky === mkrufky is now known as Guest73656 === mkrufk1 is now known as mkrufky [22:56] good afternoon