| Dekans | what's the system policy wich "prevents mounting of internal media" ? | 01:02 |
|---|---|---|
| Dekans | I don't see why others partitions should'nt be automounted by default | 01:03 |
| yuriy | I still haven't been able to get qt designer to run in Intrepid | 05:18 |
| yuriy | anybody else running into this problem? | 05:18 |
| yuriy | Cannot mix incompatible Qt libraries | 05:19 |
| yuriy | Aborted (core dumped) | 05:19 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: you around yet? | 09:04 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: There is no sign of NM in the taskbar on todays live image 20080822# | 09:19 |
| thr | davmor2: I get both the (working) gnome NM applet and a (broken) kde one on my intrepid system. | 09:33 |
| davmor2 | thr: Riddell asked me to check it out on the latest live cds I have it's not there :( | 09:34 |
| smarter | davmor2: try to launch knetworkmanager from the command line? | 09:40 |
| davmor2 | smarter: hang on just installed it I'm going to see if it shows up on the installed system | 09:58 |
| davmor2 | smarter: Okay I got an ip address so I'm guessing the backend is working | 10:00 |
| davmor2 | smarter: I got a green globe appear but it doesn't give me any details it just allows me to create a new connection/deactivate a connection/config a connection/edit connection or quit | 10:09 |
| Riddell | ho hum | 10:12 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: :) | 10:13 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: One more query why do I need to restart printer-config-kde in order for it to pick up a networked printer? On the gnome equiv there is a refresh button that brings it up | 10:17 |
| Riddell | davmor2: which do you mean by printer-config-kde? | 10:18 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: system-config-printer-kde | 10:21 |
| Riddell | davmor2: I guess I just need to implement a refresh button :) | 10:24 |
| davmor2 | Ah okay cool wasn't sure if it was something missing or was hidden in a menu I couldn't find :) | 10:25 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: what else was there MM keys, nm, printer anything else? | 10:30 |
| Riddell | davmor2: alt-f2? | 10:30 |
| Riddell | davmor2: and adept | 10:31 |
| davmor2 | adept No | 10:32 |
| davmor2 | alt-F2 yes | 10:32 |
| davmor2 | mm keys checking now | 10:33 |
| Riddell | I still need to do that MIR for adept, so that's predictable | 10:33 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: MM keys seem okay. But should my ogg player get automounted by amarok? | 10:44 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: infact should it show up at all in amarok? | 10:47 |
| Riddell | davmor2: it should, but it may not since the required kde 3 bits are likely missing | 10:50 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Ah cool so Media devices are shagged in the best media player ;) | 10:52 |
| Riddell | you can add them manually | 10:54 |
| Riddell | maybe we could package the medianotifier kded module manually | 10:55 |
| smarter | Riddell: except that medianotifer pop ups a dialog asking you what to do when you plug a device | 10:58 |
| smarter | that's why we patched kdelibs to prevent it's autoloading | 10:58 |
| smarter | + blacklist << "mediamanager" << "medianotifier" << "kmilod" << "kwrited"; | 10:58 |
| smarter | maybe unblacklisting mediamanager would be enoughN | 10:58 |
| smarter | *? | 10:58 |
| davmor2 | Guys I'd love to join in the argument but you've lost me already. Would amarok2 use the kde4 libs correctly? | 11:00 |
| smarter | probably | 11:00 |
| davmor2 | If so that might be an argument for including it:) | 11:01 |
| smarter | I doubt it will be released before Intrepid | 11:01 |
| davmor2 | :( | 11:02 |
| smarter | same for K3B | 11:02 |
| davmor2 | Two things best at what they do in the linux world and they're being let down that's sad :( | 11:05 |
| Riddell | smarter: well we don't have mediamanager at all now since it was in kdebase I think | 11:11 |
| Riddell | davmor2: oh does compositing get turned on? | 11:12 |
| smarter | Riddell: oh, right | 11:12 |
| Riddell | smarter: but it could probably be packaged on its own | 11:13 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: It not switched on by default in my all intel machine I'll just switch it on though and check for you :) | 11:15 |
| Riddell | davmor2: is /usr/bin/compiz included? | 11:16 |
| davmor2 | switched it on and it works fine-ish alt-ctrl-(arrow left and right) doesn't seem to move from desktop to desktop but everything else seems to work. Fade effect, minimise effects etc | 11:19 |
| davmor2 | wobbly windows :) | 11:19 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: ^ | 11:20 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Yes /usr/bin/compiz is in :) | 11:21 |
| Riddell | hmm, wonder why it's not on by default then | 11:24 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: if it's any help I can try and ubuntu live cd on the same machine and tell you whether it works on there? | 11:28 |
| Riddell | naw, I can look into it myself in a bit | 11:29 |
| davmor2 | at least you'll know if it's kde or compiz | 11:29 |
| Riddell | well sure if you want | 11:34 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: it's KDE compiz works fine on cd in ubuntu | 11:51 |
| Riddell | ho hum | 11:52 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Well at least you know now. | 11:53 |
| Riddell | at least I know | 11:54 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: hallo | 12:05 |
| smarter | kvkbd's "choose Font" menu action is back :) | 12:05 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: hey | 12:05 |
| Riddell | Artemis_Fowl: did grubconfig get uploaded to ubuntu? | 12:05 |
| Artemis_Fowl | Riddell: dunno | 12:06 |
| Artemis_Fowl | Riddell: apachelogger should know, i think | 12:06 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I found an issue with MM keys. Is there any chance of changing Play to Play/Pause I'm guessing most are setup like that now. | 12:06 |
| apachelogger | !info kgrubeditor intrepid | 12:06 |
| ubottu | kgrubeditor (source: kgrubeditor): graphical editor for GRUB boot manager settings. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-0ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 245 kB, installed size 748 kB | 12:06 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: yes | 12:07 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: great | 12:07 |
| Riddell | I wonder if it should go on the CD | 12:07 |
| apachelogger | IMHO, no | 12:07 |
| Riddell | why not? | 12:08 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: some wiki pages about grubconfig are outdated | 12:08 |
| apachelogger | it's really an advanced tool | 12:08 |
| apachelogger | so the average user wouldn't need it | 12:08 |
| smarter | do we have lvm back on the live-cd? | 12:08 |
| apachelogger | hm | 12:08 |
| smarter | 'cause we could include kvpm | 12:08 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuGrubconfig | 12:08 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: on the other hand the average user might want windows as default boot option | 12:08 |
| smarter | apachelogger: that should be an option in ubiquity imho | 12:09 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: ah yes.. that is very out of date | 12:09 |
| apachelogger | smarter: +1 | 12:09 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: i was planning on writing a case study at some point to replace that | 12:09 |
| smarter | really hard to get it right when you're not experienced | 12:09 |
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: have you gotten any feedback on the latest releasee? | 12:09 |
| smarter | you might destroy the windows entry at the next kernel update | 12:10 |
| apachelogger | smarter: that is why you got kgrubeditor :P | 12:10 |
| Riddell | string suggestions needed: http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/update-notifier-hooks.png | 12:10 |
| Riddell | for package upgrade hooks | 12:10 |
| seele | apachelogger: well the point of the tool was to provide some simple grub options to non advanced users | 12:10 |
| Riddell | that one from gnome update-notifier seems way to generic | 12:11 |
| seele | such as being able to rename Ubuntu entries to Kubuntu, or specify which Windows install is the OS and the Recovery partition | 12:11 |
| seele | apachelogger: on top of configuring the spash screen to something pretty | 12:11 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: not really. only some comments on kde-apps.org | 12:11 |
| apachelogger | seele: yes, but how many people would want to do that really | 12:11 |
| * apachelogger scrolls backlog | 12:11 | |
| apachelogger | hm 748kb installed | 12:12 |
| seele | apachelogger: people who like to configure things? that trait doesn't necessarily correlate with advanced users | 12:12 |
| Artemis_Fowl | Riddell: actually the only reason why KGRUBEditor would be included in the LiveCD is to restore GRUB | 12:12 |
| seele | "maximizers" is a good description for those types of people | 12:12 |
| smarter | Artemis_Fowl: that would be handy | 12:12 |
| Artemis_Fowl | Riddell: that would be the only reason I would use it from the LiveCD | 12:12 |
| seele | apachelogger: it expecially applies to KDE since everyone knows the k stands for Konfigure ;) | 12:12 |
| apachelogger | Artemis_Fowl: in order to have it in the default installation it needs to be on the CD | 12:13 |
| apachelogger | seele: haha :D | 12:13 |
| smarter | Kontrol your Desktop Environment | 12:13 |
| seele | apachelogger: do you think it needs more bug testing? a whole lot of people havent been using it | 12:14 |
| seele | and it can do some nasty stuff if there *is* somethign broken that wasn't caught yet | 12:14 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: indeed | 12:14 |
| JontheEchidna | Morning | 12:14 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: I haven't tested the latest version almost at all | 12:15 |
| apachelogger | by including it in the CD it will get a lot more testing as long as we announce it | 12:15 |
| seele | apachelogger: when does that decision get made? maybe we can encourage some people to try it and see if they have any problems | 12:15 |
| Artemis_Fowl | seele: it was only tested when I was developing | 12:15 |
| apachelogger | Artemis_Fowl: did you think about including an CLI application to restore a backup? | 12:15 |
| JontheEchidna | yuriy: I had that problem with Qt apps when I had kde-nightly installed | 12:15 |
| JontheEchidna | (incompatible Qt libraries) | 12:15 |
| Artemis_Fowl | apachelogger: restore a backup? | 12:15 |
| apachelogger | Artemis_Fowl: kgrubeditor does backup the grub config, doesn't it? | 12:16 |
| Artemis_Fowl | apachelogger: yep | 12:16 |
| Artemis_Fowl | apachelogger: you can restore it through the UI | 12:16 |
| smarter | Artemis_Fowl: is there some kind of warning message when you launch it? | 12:17 |
| apachelogger | hm | 12:17 |
| Artemis_Fowl | smarter: no | 12:17 |
| * apachelogger had weird thinking right now ;-) | 12:17 | |
| Artemis_Fowl | smarter: it silently tries to backup it at eg /boot/grub/menu.lst --> /boot/grub/menu.lst_original | 12:18 |
| Artemis_Fowl | plus | 12:18 |
| smarter | do you have any plan for grub2 support? :] | 12:18 |
| Artemis_Fowl | if you click Defaults at System Settings your original settings are restored from thsi file | 12:19 |
| Artemis_Fowl | smarter: I really have difficulty finding doc about GRUB2 file syntax | 12:19 |
| smarter | Artemis_Fowl: http://grub.enbug.org can be useful, but it doesn't cover everything unfortunately | 12:22 |
| apachelogger | grub2 is a never-ending-development | 12:22 |
| * smarter fears his setup will explode at every grub2 update | 12:23 | |
| apachelogger | ^_^ | 12:23 |
| smarter | and most of the time it does :P | 12:23 |
| smarter | having my root fs on lvm doesn't help | 12:23 |
| JontheEchidna | I fear my setup will explode after every pam update | 12:23 |
| smarter | ubuntu 8.04 live cd not coming with lvm does not help either | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: maybe we should do a meeting and discuss the inclusion for kgrubeditor | 12:23 |
| seele | apachelogger: i also want to talk about toolbar icons | 12:25 |
| seele | although i still need to go through the data Riddell processed | 12:26 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: could do, next wednesday european evening? | 12:29 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ok with me | 12:30 |
| Riddell | seele: meeting wednesday 23UTC? | 12:30 |
| smarter | why do we always do them late? :/ | 12:31 |
| smarter | 23UTC is 1 AM here | 12:31 |
| Riddell | so that americans can join in | 12:31 |
| Riddell | agree a better time with seele then :) | 12:31 |
| seele | Riddell: sounds good | 12:32 |
| seele | smarter: 1am is better than 6am ;P | 12:32 |
| seele | Riddell: maybe check with lydia | 12:33 |
| apachelogger | http://digg.com/software/Nerrivik_Beta_1_of_Amarok_2_0_released Hardy packages should be available, and please digg the news :-) | 12:33 |
| JontheEchidna | :D | 12:33 |
| Artemis_Fowl | Beta1? o_O | 12:34 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: should we put it on kubuntu.org? | 12:35 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: meeting at 2300UTC wednesday? | 12:35 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: should be ok | 12:36 |
| Riddell | nixternal: can you fridge it? ^^ | 12:36 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: package uploaded to intrepid | 12:37 |
| Nightrose | thanks apachelogger :) | 12:37 |
| seele | we can do it an hour or two earlier if it's more convenient. the only time that sucks for me is before 7am EST | 12:37 |
| apachelogger | seele: what is that in UTC? | 12:37 |
| seele | -5 so 2UTC? | 12:39 |
| seele | but 21 or 22 UTC is fine, i'll just need to make sure i dont schedule a meeting on top of it since it is during the workday | 12:40 |
| seele | er, that'sl not right | 12:40 |
| seele | 12UTC | 12:40 |
| seele | was counting the wrong way :P | 12:40 |
| Riddell | ah, devfil, any progress on kdelibs or want me to look at it? | 12:41 |
| devfil | Riddell: no, should be great if you can take a look at the problem | 12:42 |
| devfil | all patches seems to be applied etc... | 12:42 |
| Riddell | devfil: able to put what you have on a server somewhere? | 12:42 |
| devfil | Riddell: on my ppa | 12:43 |
| * Riddell ponders a kubuntu contribution to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep | 12:43 | |
| Riddell | devfil: remind me again your LP name | 12:43 |
| devfil | d.filoni | 12:43 |
| Riddell | devfil: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6ubuntu1? | 12:44 |
| seele | Riddell: how about a basic how-to-get-started-contributing-to-kubuntu? | 12:45 |
| seele | (i could use that myself :) | 12:45 |
| ScottK-laptop | seele: We're -4 from UTC currently. | 12:47 |
| seele | ScottK-laptop: oh oops.. better update my calendar | 12:48 |
| seele | i like working off of CET. 6 hours is easy to calculate on a 12 hour clock | 12:48 |
| devfil | Riddell: nono, I'm going to upload it | 12:50 |
| Riddell | devfil: ok, let me know when it's up | 12:50 |
| devfil | 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6ubuntu1 is the merge | 12:50 |
| ScottK-laptop | devfil: kdelibs is the only one you're doing, right? | 12:53 |
| devfil | ScottK-laptop: kdelibs, arts, kdewebdev, kdebindings | 12:54 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. | 12:54 |
| ScottK-laptop | devfil: Thanks. At some point I'll need your tarballs for all those. | 12:54 |
| devfil | ScottK-laptop: ok | 12:55 |
| devfil | Riddell: uplaoded | 13:06 |
| devfil | ScottK-laptop: kdelibs tarball: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17000196/kdelibs_3.5.10.orig.tar.gz | 13:06 |
| ScottK-laptop | devfil: Thanks. | 13:07 |
| ScottK-laptop | devfil: Got it. | 13:10 |
| * Hobbsee discovers magnatune. cool :) | 13:30 | |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I've got a free subscription to magnatune but I don't know what to download | 13:30 |
| Hobbsee | heh, yeah. | 13:30 |
| Hobbsee | there aren't the regular artists on there. | 13:30 |
| davmor2 | Hobbsee: listen to "blind divine" | 13:31 |
| * Hobbsee got a cool song with her new shiny phone, so is now listening to the album. | 13:31 | |
| devfil | ScottK-laptop: do you know if there is a team on Debian like PAPT for KDE applications? | 13:34 |
| ScottK-laptop | devfil: Yes there is. | 13:35 |
| ScottK-laptop | devfil: See #debian-qt-kde on OFTC | 13:36 |
| devfil | ScottK-laptop: thanks | 13:36 |
| Riddell | davmor2: any other recommendations? | 13:45 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: There are a couple of others like them but I can't remember their names of the top of my head :( | 13:46 |
| Riddell | devfil: kdelibs seems to be compiling fine here | 13:48 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: you could always try the magnatune compilations | 13:49 |
| devfil | Riddell: on your machine? | 13:49 |
| Riddell | devfil: yes | 13:50 |
| jjesse | Riddell: just ran new updates with the new adept updater with no problems including launching and being prompted for my password | 13:50 |
| devfil | Riddell: on PPA it seems that ftbfs | 13:50 |
| Riddell | devfil: I ran a buildprep beforehand, no other difference, maybe you have the wrong combination of automake/autoconf/libtool/blah | 13:58 |
| jjesse | lol at blah | 13:58 |
| jjesse | i hate it when i have a wrong combination of blah | 13:59 |
| Riddell | jjesse: I think kdesudo doesn't run it the first time, but thereafter is fine. which is annoying | 13:59 |
| jjesse | that is annoying | 14:00 |
| jjesse | it worked fine | 14:00 |
| smarter | what happend to the kdesu -> kdesudo symlink? | 14:00 |
| * jjesse goes back to trying to document adept again <<sigh> | 14:00 | |
| Riddell | smarter: now in /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu | 14:00 |
| smarter | but /usr/bin/kdesu does not exist | 14:00 |
| Riddell | jjesse: for kubuntu-docs, or the book? | 14:00 |
| Riddell | smarter: moved by upstream | 14:01 |
| smarter | why? | 14:01 |
| jjesse | Riddell: there is no adept documentation upstream | 14:01 |
| devfil | Riddell: can the build-dep on automake be the problem? | 14:01 |
| jjesse | at the kde-docs level | 14:01 |
| jjesse | so i've been trying to document it and create a manual but i always lose focus | 14:01 |
| jjesse | so i'm going to get it done this time | 14:01 |
| Riddell | jjesse: that's the spirit :) | 14:02 |
| Riddell | devfil: shouldn't be, what's your /etc/alternatives/automake set to? | 14:02 |
| devfil | Riddell: I've used pbuilder to build the package | 14:05 |
| ScottK-laptop | devfil: Did you make tarballs for arts, kdewebdev, kdebindings yet? | 14:09 |
| ScottK-laptop | devfil: If you haven't, I'll whip up some tarballs. | 14:11 |
| devfil_ | ScottK-laptop: only arts | 14:13 |
| ScottK-laptop | devfil_: OK. I'll do kdewebdev and kdebindings then. | 14:13 |
| ScottK-laptop | devfil_: Do you have somewhere you can put the arts tarball? | 14:14 |
| devfil_ | ScottK-laptop: I'm uploading it to PPA | 14:14 |
| ScottK-laptop | devfil_: OK. Thanks. | 14:14 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK-laptop: I'll take a stab at packaging Krusader | 14:16 |
| ScottK-laptop | JontheEchidna: Great. I have no idea if the KDE4 version is mature enough to be useful, but the KDE3 one won't work at all so ... | 14:17 |
| JontheEchidna | I'll make packages then use it for a bit | 14:17 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe throw them in the kubuntu-experimental ppa | 14:17 |
| JontheEchidna | Think it'd be ok to start the packaging over from scratch? | 14:24 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: if you want to maintain it sure | 14:24 |
| JontheEchidna | nevermind then :P | 14:25 |
| devfil_ | ScottK-laptop: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17003750/arts_1.5.10.orig.tar.gz | 14:25 |
| devfil_ | Riddell: have you seen the build-log from PPA? | 14:25 |
| Riddell | devfil_: nope | 14:27 |
| devfil_ | Riddell: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17000657/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.kdelibs_4%3A3.5.10-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 14:27 |
| Riddell | devfil_: have you run buildprep and what's your /etc/alternatives/automake set to? | 14:27 |
| devfil_ | Riddell: buildprep no, /etc/alternatives/automake is the default | 14:28 |
| Riddell | devfil_: default? | 14:29 |
| Riddell | what's it set to? | 14:29 |
| devfil_ | Riddell: oh, maybe I've found the problem, I haven't called build-prep, but I need to call it after have done the tar.gz or not? | 14:32 |
| ScottK-laptop | devfil_: Are you sure? The admin dirs in both your tarballs are unpacked (which IIRC is part of what build-prep does). | 14:33 |
| devfil_ | ScottK-laptop: yes | 14:35 |
| ScottK-laptop | devfil_: Did you drop kubuntu_98_kate_paste_cursor kubuntu_9903_kinit_integer_overflow since they are applied upstream? | 14:41 |
| devfil_ | ScottK-laptop: I didn't touched them | 14:42 |
| ScottK-laptop | devfil_: OK. The package isn't going to build with those patches in debian/patches. | 14:43 |
| JontheEchidna | hrm | 14:43 |
| ScottK-laptop | Dunno if that's related to your current problem, but they definitely need removing. | 14:43 |
| JontheEchidna | current debian packaging for krusader doesn't have a series file for debian/patches | 14:44 |
| JontheEchidna | which is ok I guess since all of them are for kde3 anyway | 14:44 |
| ScottK-laptop | JontheEchidna: simple-patchsys doesn't need one. | 14:45 |
| JontheEchidna | oh | 14:45 |
| devfil_ | ScottK-laptop: uhm no... I've dropped them | 14:46 |
| ScottK-laptop | Ah. OK. | 14:46 |
| JontheEchidna | Oh, I dropped the simple-patchsys.mk in rules | 14:47 |
| ScottK-laptop | I just kicked off a build in Hardy using your tarball, so we'll see how it goes. | 14:47 |
| devfil_ | I don't know why it ftbfs on my machine and PPA but not on Riddell machine | 14:48 |
| Riddell | devfil_: make sure /etc/alternatives/automake -> /usr/bin/automake-1.10 | 14:48 |
| Riddell | run make -f debian/rules buildprep | 14:48 |
| Riddell | debuild -S | 14:48 |
| Riddell | and build the resulting package | 14:49 |
| Riddell | buildprep is done after you've made the .orig.tar.gz | 14:49 |
| devfil_ | ok | 14:49 |
| nixternal | Riddell: meeting time posted on the Fridge complete | 14:58 |
| Riddell | thanks nixternal | 15:00 |
| nixternal | np | 15:00 |
| yuriy | JontheEchidna: wow I do still have that installed | 15:04 |
| JontheEchidna | it causes conflicts with pure qt apps for some reason | 15:05 |
| yuriy | ok, now just a segfault | 15:10 |
| yuriy | which could be because I was trying to remove plugins | 15:10 |
| JontheEchidna | heh, krusader still uses crystal svg | 15:12 |
| JontheEchidna | and a splash that looks like it came from the 90s | 15:13 |
| JontheEchidna | Ok | 15:17 |
| JontheEchidna | so our kde4.mk uses quilt | 15:17 |
| JontheEchidna | but the current packaging uses simple-patchsys | 15:17 |
| JontheEchidna | I guess I'll change it to use quilt then | 15:18 |
| smarter | kvkbd succesfully ported to cmake :) | 15:19 |
| Riddell | yay | 15:19 |
| devfil | Riddell: *** Creating config.h template | 15:25 |
| devfil | kded_post/Makefile.am:1: directory should not contain `/' | 15:25 |
| devfil | make[1]: *** [dist] Error 1 | 15:25 |
| devfil | is normal? | 15:25 |
| Riddell | no | 15:25 |
| yuriy | back up to 400 bugs in kdebase.. | 15:27 |
| yuriy | Riddell: apport still does not appear to be working | 15:28 |
| Riddell | yuriy: I know, it's on my todo list to look at, once I get update-notifier done | 15:28 |
| yuriy | oh, alright. coding first :) | 15:29 |
| JontheEchidna | yuriy: :( | 15:29 |
| JontheEchidna | I think part of that is the stuff I moved for kdebase-kde4 and dolphin over to kdebase | 15:29 |
| yuriy | ah | 15:30 |
| yuriy | that's good then | 15:30 |
| Riddell | well update notifier is one half of apport's GUI so it's a pre-requisite | 15:30 |
| yuriy | oh, right, I thought that has something to do with it | 15:31 |
| yuriy | how does it tie in exactly? | 15:31 |
| Riddell | yuriy: it's the systray applet that pops up to say you have crash reports | 15:32 |
| Riddell | and runs apport-qt when you click on it | 15:32 |
| smarter | how is Messages.sh supposed to work in kde4 app? | 15:32 |
| Riddell | smarter: it's just a shall script to create the .pot translation templates | 15:32 |
| Riddell | we run it from kde4.mk | 15:33 |
| Riddell | a/shall/shell/ | 15:33 |
| smarter | 'kay | 15:33 |
| devfil | Riddell: ehm.. do you know why I get the error? | 15:35 |
| smarter | Riddell: is there a "release script" for kde apps which run this shell script and do other things like that? | 15:36 |
| yuriy | reinstalled all the plugins and still segfaulting.. | 15:36 |
| yuriy | the kde-devel package is still for KDE3 | 15:42 |
| yuriy | anybody other than JontheEchidna and myself using or trying to use qtdesigner on intrepid? | 15:44 |
| JontheEchidna | actually I have it running... | 15:44 |
| JontheEchidna | didn't cause any problems for me in intrepid | 15:44 |
| yuriy | yeah, that's why I know it *should* work | 15:44 |
| JontheEchidna | oh | 15:44 |
| JontheEchidna | right :) | 15:44 |
| Riddell | devfil: no idea I'm afraid | 15:46 |
| JontheEchidna | man, krusader is taking forever to upload :/ | 15:46 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, there it goes | 15:46 |
| Riddell | smarter: make -f debian/rules common-install-prehook-impl would, but it might insist on compiling everything first | 15:47 |
| devfil | Riddell: can you run buildprep and send me your diff.gz? | 15:47 |
| smarter | thanks | 15:47 |
| Riddell | smarter: oh actually, /usr/bin/extract-messages.sh does most of it | 15:47 |
| Riddell | devfil: ok | 15:47 |
| smarter | Riddell: great, thanks :) | 15:48 |
| yuriy | valgrind isn't being terribly helpful. this is the last thing I get: | 16:04 |
| yuriy | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/39702/ | 16:04 |
| devfil | Riddell: have you done the diff.gz? | 16:19 |
| Riddell | devfil: yeah sorry http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdelibs_3.5.10-0ubuntu1.diff.gz | 16:24 |
| Riddell | dsc too | 16:24 |
| devfil | Riddell: dsc is not needed | 16:25 |
| ScottK-laptop | devfil: kdelibs builds here too on Hardy with your tarball. I just dropped the two patches and ran buildprep. | 16:26 |
| devfil | ScottK-laptop: I think that the 2 patch were only on hardy version | 16:29 |
| ScottK | OK. | 16:29 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: could you remove kdiff3 from the repos? (bug 260326) | 16:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 260326 in kdiff3 "I can't install kdiff3 on Intrepid (Broken dependecy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/260326 | 16:33 |
| JontheEchidna | (libkonq4-dev dep) | 16:33 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: done | 16:38 |
| Riddell | any others? | 16:39 |
| JontheEchidna | Hmm | 16:39 |
| JontheEchidna | Is there a way we could search for packages with a dep on libkonq4-dev? | 16:39 |
| ScottK | Someone who wants to practice their grep-dctrl foo might look for that | 16:39 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: ^^ | 16:39 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: It's a build-dep you want, not a dep. | 16:39 |
| JontheEchidna | ah, right. My bad :P | 16:39 |
| ScottK | There's a cheater script for it in ubuntu-dev-tools I think. | 16:40 |
| Riddell | depends on too (on libkonq4) | 16:40 |
| ScottK | True. | 16:40 |
| ScottK-laptop | Need to check for KDE4 versions prior to removal. | 16:41 |
| JontheEchidna | dolphin | 16:42 |
| JontheEchidna | gnash | 16:42 |
| JontheEchidna | kblogger | 16:42 |
| JontheEchidna | kconfigure | 16:42 |
| JontheEchidna | kdiff3 | 16:42 |
| JontheEchidna | kerry | 16:42 |
| JontheEchidna | krusader | 16:42 |
| Riddell | dolphin? | 16:42 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe the source package dolphin? | 16:43 |
| ScottK-laptop | Are you checking Hardy or Intrepid? | 16:43 |
| JontheEchidna | Intrepid | 16:43 |
| JontheEchidna | reverse-build-depends libkonq4-dev | 16:43 |
| Riddell | clever | 16:43 |
| JontheEchidna | found it in ubuntu-dev-tools with dpkg -L | 16:43 |
| ScottK-laptop | Probably can't remove that one. | 16:43 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm, probably can't remove gnash either... | 16:44 |
| JontheEchidna | There is a kblogger-kde4 | 16:45 |
| JontheEchidna | it's out of date though | 16:46 |
| Riddell | we can remove the dolphin source package if it's still around | 16:46 |
| ScottK-laptop | Ah, right. | 16:46 |
| JontheEchidna | there's no kblogger binary package in Intrepid either | 16:47 |
| JontheEchidna | probably should be updated | 16:47 |
| ScottK-laptop | Sounds like kblogger should be updated to be the kde4 version and kblogger-kde4 removed. | 16:47 |
| JontheEchidna | There is no KDE4 version of kconfigure | 16:53 |
| JontheEchidna | no KDE 4 version of Kerry | 16:57 |
| JontheEchidna | & I'm working on krusader for kde4 | 16:57 |
| ScottK-laptop | I wonder about gnash. Is there some binding that needs to be dropped or updated? | 16:59 |
| Riddell | dropped until updated | 17:01 |
| JontheEchidna | Intrepid testers wanted for Krusader 2.0~svn6069 : http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/pool/main/k/krusader/ | 17:05 |
| JontheEchidna | should probably announce that in #kubuntu-testers too | 17:05 |
| Riddell | testers needed for all new update-notifier-kde http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/update-notifier-kde_0.1_all.deb | 17:11 |
| JontheEchidna | yay | 17:12 |
| JontheEchidna | now I have to find something to crash to see if apport works \o/ | 17:13 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: any non KDE app run kill -SEGV <pid> | 17:14 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: actually it notified me that a KDE app had crashed in the past | 17:15 |
| Riddell | goodness | 17:15 |
| JontheEchidna | but when I clicked on the systray icon | 17:15 |
| JontheEchidna | E: Unkown Error: '<type 'exceptions.NameError'>' (global name 'activationReason' is not defined | 17:15 |
| JontheEchidna | and update-notifier-closed | 17:15 |
| JontheEchidna | Oh, and I have a second systray icon of a lightbulb | 17:16 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: krusader works, not the tidyest of applications | 17:16 |
| JontheEchidna | cool | 17:16 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: version should be -0ubuntu1 not -1ubuntu1 presumably | 17:16 |
| JontheEchidna | oops | 17:17 |
| JontheEchidna | wouldn't be wanting to add a new epoch with no reason | 17:17 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: does the lightbulb not have a helpful baloon to say what it does? | 17:17 |
| JontheEchidna | It had a baloon | 17:18 |
| Riddell | http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/update-notifier-kde_0.1_all.deb updated to fix apport | 17:18 |
| JontheEchidna | when I clicked on it it said that language support was incomplete or something | 17:18 |
| Riddell | excellent | 17:18 |
| JontheEchidna | and if I wanted to install complete language support | 17:18 |
| JontheEchidna | when I clicked install or whatever: | 17:18 |
| JontheEchidna | It said /bin/sh: kdesu: not found | 17:19 |
| Riddell | is a language support bug | 17:19 |
| JontheEchidna | apport works | 17:20 |
| asfak | one more problem with kubuntu. I hope developers are listening to me. Why don't system setting have administrative priviledge ? How do i make changes in login manager in system setting ? | 17:20 |
| JontheEchidna | asfak: run systemsettings with kdesudo | 17:21 |
| JontheEchidna | KDE should add an admin button for KDE 4.2 | 17:21 |
| Riddell | asfak: KDE issue | 17:21 |
| JontheEchidna | It's in the feature plan for 4.2 | 17:22 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: what happens if you run sudo /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required ? | 17:22 |
| asfak | ok, then kubuntu temporarily add kdesu systemsettings to menu | 17:22 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: nice reboot icon with a nice balloon shows up | 17:23 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: excellent, seems like this is good to upload | 17:24 |
| JontheEchidna | cool | 17:24 |
| JontheEchidna | Think it'd be ok to upload krusader after I fix the epoch? | 17:24 |
| asfak | i want to discuss few problems in Kubuntu Int alpha4. First is adept manager does not work. It crashes after some initialisation | 17:24 |
| JontheEchidna | adept3 doesn't | 17:25 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Wasn't in alpha 4 | 17:25 |
| JontheEchidna | oh | 17:25 |
| JontheEchidna | right | 17:25 |
| ScottK | asfak: We still had the old kde3 adept. KDE4 adept should be reasonable working for the next alpha. | 17:26 |
| asfak | I get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/39714/ | 17:27 |
| Riddell | asfak: install adept 3 | 17:28 |
| asfak | adept 3 is bit confusing. i already did that | 17:28 |
| JontheEchidna | then you shouldn't have adept2 | 17:28 |
| asfak | using synaptic for a while | 17:28 |
| Riddell | #ubuntu is thata way | 17:29 |
| asfak | yeah, i reverted back to try version 2 after being disappointed | 17:29 |
| asfak | In ubuntu live or install system, i can access all filesystem without all this permission stuff. But in Kubuntu, though i can see the partition in Dolphin as user, i cannot access them. I can do that as root. Kubuntu developers must change this permission making compulsion. | 17:30 |
| Riddell | or fix the mounting patch | 17:32 |
| asfak | developers please change systemsettings to kdesu systemsettings in Menu. | 17:37 |
| NthDegree | asfak: on what? | 17:38 |
| NthDegree | systemsettings does not need root privs until you are using parts of it that do | 17:38 |
| NthDegree | and then you click "Administration Mode" | 17:38 |
| NthDegree | .........what is the problem there? | 17:39 |
| ScottK-laptop | NthDegree: The problem is KDE4 doesn't have that button yet. | 17:39 |
| asfak | there is nothing like "Administration Mode" in System settings. | 17:39 |
| NthDegree | KDE 4 has it's own thing anyway | 17:39 |
| NthDegree | :| | 17:39 |
| NthDegree | and in that case surely it's kdesudo not kdesu | 17:40 |
| Riddell | it needs ported to use policykit | 17:41 |
| Riddell | we won't add a root systemsettings menu entry, but could do for relevant modules | 17:41 |
| apachelogger | kgrubeditor has some nifty code to go root | 17:43 |
| asfak | NthDegree, just tell me. How do you autologin using system setting in Kub Intre alpha4. I think the only way is sudo systemsettings (or kdesu systemsettings). The system setting in default menu does not allow to do this. I agree with Ridell that could be done for relevant modules | 17:44 |
| asfak | atleast do for Login manager in system setting or add 'Administration Mode". I could not find Administration mode as Nthdegree said. | 17:46 |
| JontheEchidna | man, my connection is being horrible today | 17:51 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: I think the COPYING file should go into the orig.tar.gz for kio-bookmarks | 17:53 |
| apachelogger | Riddell will know | 17:54 |
| JontheEchidna | I think that's what I did with that one other package... | 17:54 |
| JontheEchidna | forget which one that was though | 17:54 |
| \sh | apachelogger: I heard you want to come to froscon? | 17:54 |
| apachelogger | plans changed | 17:55 |
| apachelogger | cuddling > geek conference | 17:55 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: well, from a logical POV it doesn't make much sense to have it in the diff | 17:55 |
| apachelogger | because the COPYING applies to the orig.tar.gz not the diff | 17:56 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah | 17:56 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, what I meant to say is that I think I did add it to the orig.tar.gz for that other package | 17:56 |
| * JontheEchidna sees how his statement could have been misinterpereted | 17:57 | |
| apachelogger | 2008-08-22 18:45:20apocsshd[19168]error: PAM: pam_open_session(): Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session | 17:59 |
| apachelogger | my sshd is b0rked -.- | 17:59 |
| JontheEchidna | I'd blame it on pam, given the problems the recent update caused | 17:59 |
| * Riddell wonders who apachelogger has found to cuddle | 17:59 | |
| apachelogger | a windows user :D | 17:59 |
| apachelogger | woohh, latest update fixed pam | 18:00 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: a fixable bug :) | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I am not sure that kind of stuff should be fixed, getting bug reports all the time gets pretty annoying ;-) | 18:03 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: poke me when the new tarball is up | 18:03 |
| JontheEchidna | ok, I just uploaded it so it shouldn't be long | 18:03 |
| asfak | Is it a bug ? I could see my windows partition but cannot access them in dolphin as user. I close dolphin and now kdesudo dolphin, i could access windows partitions. Now i close kdesudo dolphin and restart dolphin as normal user. I could now access all window partitions with all permission. Everytime i start my Kubuntu Intrepid Alpha4, i have to do this everytime. | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: acked | 18:13 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: oops, forgot to poke you. But thanks | 18:13 |
| devfil_ | Riddell: kdelibs builds fine now | 18:53 |
| Riddell | yay | 18:54 |
| devfil_ | Riddell: so I've finished arts and kdelibs, where I can put them? | 18:56 |
| Riddell | devfil_: your ppa would be fine | 18:56 |
| Riddell | we'll do the upload to ubuntu on monday evening | 18:56 |
| devfil_ | Riddell: arts is already on my ppa, for kdelibs I should set the rev number to 0ubuntu1.1, is this ok? | 18:57 |
| Riddell | fine | 18:57 |
| apachelogger | bug 259339 | 19:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 259339 in kde-l10n-ml "Wrong dependency of kde-l10n-ml on language-pack-kde-wa" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259339 | 19:00 |
| apachelogger | ubottu: you don't wanna query me, huh? | 19:00 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 19:00 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ^ please sponsor | 19:01 |
| apachelogger | actually | 19:01 |
| apachelogger | meh it shouldn't depend on language-pack-kde-ml-base | 19:02 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: ok | 19:10 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: amarok 2 working well, but does it have ipod support? | 19:10 |
| Riddell | oops, crash | 19:11 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I asked him to remove the dep on -base, so unless you want to do it... :) | 19:11 |
| Riddell | devfil_, ScottK-laptop: kdevelop got added to 3.5.10 | 19:12 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: uploaded | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | thank you | 19:16 |
| devfil_ | Riddell: kdevelop.. where is the tarball? | 19:16 |
| Riddell | /msg'ed | 19:16 |
| * smarter looks throught his window and see a huge rainbow | 19:29 | |
| apachelogger | <3 rainbow | 19:30 |
| * apachelogger is out for tonight | 19:31 | |
| apachelogger | cu | 19:31 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: any news on bug 255183? | 19:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 255183 in plasmoid-quickaccess "Include plasmoid-quickaccess in main" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/255183 | 19:55 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: I can promote that now | 19:57 |
| Riddell | done | 19:57 |
| JontheEchidna | cool, thanks | 19:57 |
| * JontheEchidna goes off to do kubuntu-default-settings stuffs | 19:57 | |
| ScottK-laptop | Riddell: Does kdevelop still exist in intrepid then? | 20:27 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK-laptop: a kde4 version of kdevelop is in alpha, iirc | 20:46 |
| JontheEchidna | the kdevelop package in Intrepid is still 3.5.9 | 20:47 |
| ScottK-laptop | Thanks. | 20:47 |
| * JontheEchidna pushes to kubuntu-default-desktop bzr | 20:52 | |
| ScottK-laptop | Riddell: What to do about kdesdk and kdewebdev. kdewebdev build-dep on libcvsservice-dev which is not in one of the Intrepid KDE3 packages that I'm aware of was on devfil's list. | 20:53 |
| * JontheEchidna scurries off to town for a few hours | 20:54 | |
| dfiloni | Riddell: there is a way with kubuntu 8.10 to get all applications look like kde4 | 21:02 |
| ScottK-laptop | dfiloni: Update them to KDE4 versions. | 21:06 |
| dfiloni | ScottK-laptop: and what about GTK apps? | 21:06 |
| ScottK-laptop | Oh. Right. There was something for that. I don't recall the name of the package. | 21:06 |
| dfiloni | yea, I've tried it but isn't good | 21:07 |
| === evalles_ is now known as effie_jayx | ||
| dfiloni_ | ScottK-laptop: we should at least make a package of gtk-kde4 that seems better than gtk-qt-engine-kde4 | 21:14 |
| ScottK-laptop | Somone should do that. ENOTENOUGHTIME for me. | 21:15 |
| dfiloni_ | ScottK-laptop: but do you know if will be possible to install it directly and turn on it? | 21:16 |
| ScottK-laptop | No, I don't. | 21:17 |
| ScottK-laptop | That's the kind of thing we could likely get an exception for if it was significantly better. | 21:17 |
| dfiloni_ | I think that apps integration is important for the end user... | 21:18 |
| Riddell | ScottK-laptop: yes kdevelop is in intrepid, no kde 4 version yet | 21:27 |
| Riddell | ScottK-laptop: it'll have to lose the libcvsservice-dev dependency | 21:27 |
| ScottK-laptop | Riddell: OK. I'll leave the to you and devfil to figure out then. | 21:28 |
| ScottK-laptop | the/that | 21:28 |
| dfiloni_ | ScottK-laptop: what (I'm devfil)? | 21:28 |
| Riddell | dfiloni_: kdewebdev needs the libcvsservice-dev dependency removed | 21:28 |
| ScottK-laptop | Ah. Didn't recognize you in your new outfit. | 21:28 |
| dfiloni_ | Riddell: yes, I already know | 21:29 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. | 21:29 |
| dfiloni_ | ScottK-laptop: I use devfil or dfiloni | 21:29 |
| dfiloni_ | Riddell: what do you think about http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/gtk-kde4?content=74689 ? IMHO it is better than gtk-qt-engine-kde4 | 21:30 |
| ScottK-laptop | dfiloni_: If you want to go ahead and do the kdewebdev tarball, that'd good. I have to do kdesdk first and that needs kdepim and some other stuff. | 21:30 |
| ScottK-laptop | dfiloni_: OK. Now I know. | 21:30 |
| ScottK-laptop | Back later. | 21:36 |
| === dfiloni_ is now known as devfil__________ | ||
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: trying your jockey-kde4 port and when I run it locally and close it I get a crash | 23:03 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: when I make the package and run it, there's a long backtrace | 23:03 |
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