[01:02] what's the system policy wich "prevents mounting of internal media" ? [01:03] I don't see why others partitions should'nt be automounted by default [05:18] I still haven't been able to get qt designer to run in Intrepid [05:18] anybody else running into this problem? [05:19] Cannot mix incompatible Qt libraries [05:19] Aborted (core dumped) [09:04] Riddell: you around yet? [09:19] Riddell: There is no sign of NM in the taskbar on todays live image 20080822# [09:33] davmor2: I get both the (working) gnome NM applet and a (broken) kde one on my intrepid system. [09:34] thr: Riddell asked me to check it out on the latest live cds I have it's not there :( [09:40] davmor2: try to launch knetworkmanager from the command line? [09:58] smarter: hang on just installed it I'm going to see if it shows up on the installed system [10:00] smarter: Okay I got an ip address so I'm guessing the backend is working [10:09] smarter: I got a green globe appear but it doesn't give me any details it just allows me to create a new connection/deactivate a connection/config a connection/edit connection or quit [10:12] ho hum [10:13] Riddell: :) [10:17] Riddell: One more query why do I need to restart printer-config-kde in order for it to pick up a networked printer? On the gnome equiv there is a refresh button that brings it up [10:18] davmor2: which do you mean by printer-config-kde? [10:21] Riddell: system-config-printer-kde [10:24] davmor2: I guess I just need to implement a refresh button :) [10:25] Ah okay cool wasn't sure if it was something missing or was hidden in a menu I couldn't find :) [10:30] Riddell: what else was there MM keys, nm, printer anything else? [10:30] davmor2: alt-f2? [10:31] davmor2: and adept [10:32] adept No [10:32] alt-F2 yes [10:33] mm keys checking now [10:33] I still need to do that MIR for adept, so that's predictable [10:44] Riddell: MM keys seem okay. But should my ogg player get automounted by amarok? [10:47] Riddell: infact should it show up at all in amarok? [10:50] davmor2: it should, but it may not since the required kde 3 bits are likely missing [10:52] Riddell: Ah cool so Media devices are shagged in the best media player ;) [10:54] you can add them manually [10:55] maybe we could package the medianotifier kded module manually [10:58] Riddell: except that medianotifer pop ups a dialog asking you what to do when you plug a device [10:58] that's why we patched kdelibs to prevent it's autoloading [10:58] + blacklist << "mediamanager" << "medianotifier" << "kmilod" << "kwrited"; [10:58] maybe unblacklisting mediamanager would be enoughN [10:58] *? [11:00] Guys I'd love to join in the argument but you've lost me already. Would amarok2 use the kde4 libs correctly? [11:00] probably [11:01] If so that might be an argument for including it:) [11:01] I doubt it will be released before Intrepid [11:02] :( [11:02] same for K3B [11:05] Two things best at what they do in the linux world and they're being let down that's sad :( [11:11] smarter: well we don't have mediamanager at all now since it was in kdebase I think [11:12] davmor2: oh does compositing get turned on? [11:12] Riddell: oh, right [11:13] smarter: but it could probably be packaged on its own [11:15] Riddell: It not switched on by default in my all intel machine I'll just switch it on though and check for you :) [11:16] davmor2: is /usr/bin/compiz included? [11:19] switched it on and it works fine-ish alt-ctrl-(arrow left and right) doesn't seem to move from desktop to desktop but everything else seems to work. Fade effect, minimise effects etc [11:19] wobbly windows :) [11:20] Riddell: ^ [11:21] Riddell: Yes /usr/bin/compiz is in :) [11:24] hmm, wonder why it's not on by default then [11:28] Riddell: if it's any help I can try and ubuntu live cd on the same machine and tell you whether it works on there? [11:29] naw, I can look into it myself in a bit [11:29] at least you'll know if it's kde or compiz [11:34] well sure if you want [11:51] Riddell: it's KDE compiz works fine on cd in ubuntu [11:52] ho hum [11:53] Riddell: Well at least you know now. [11:54] at least I know [12:05] Artemis_Fowl: hallo [12:05] kvkbd's "choose Font" menu action is back :) [12:05] seele: hey [12:05] Artemis_Fowl: did grubconfig get uploaded to ubuntu? [12:06] Riddell: dunno [12:06] Riddell: apachelogger should know, i think [12:06] Riddell: I found an issue with MM keys. Is there any chance of changing Play to Play/Pause I'm guessing most are setup like that now. [12:06] !info kgrubeditor intrepid [12:06] kgrubeditor (source: kgrubeditor): graphical editor for GRUB boot manager settings. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-0ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 245 kB, installed size 748 kB [12:07] Riddell: yes [12:07] apachelogger: great [12:07] I wonder if it should go on the CD [12:07] IMHO, no [12:08] why not? [12:08] seele: some wiki pages about grubconfig are outdated [12:08] it's really an advanced tool [12:08] so the average user wouldn't need it [12:08] do we have lvm back on the live-cd? [12:08] hm [12:08] 'cause we could include kvpm [12:08] seele: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuGrubconfig [12:08] Riddell: on the other hand the average user might want windows as default boot option [12:09] apachelogger: that should be an option in ubiquity imho [12:09] Artemis_Fowl: ah yes.. that is very out of date [12:09] smarter: +1 [12:09] Artemis_Fowl: i was planning on writing a case study at some point to replace that [12:09] really hard to get it right when you're not experienced [12:09] Artemis_Fowl: have you gotten any feedback on the latest releasee? [12:10] you might destroy the windows entry at the next kernel update [12:10] smarter: that is why you got kgrubeditor :P [12:10] string suggestions needed: http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/update-notifier-hooks.png [12:10] for package upgrade hooks [12:10] apachelogger: well the point of the tool was to provide some simple grub options to non advanced users [12:11] that one from gnome update-notifier seems way to generic [12:11] such as being able to rename Ubuntu entries to Kubuntu, or specify which Windows install is the OS and the Recovery partition [12:11] apachelogger: on top of configuring the spash screen to something pretty [12:11] seele: not really. only some comments on kde-apps.org [12:11] seele: yes, but how many people would want to do that really [12:11] * apachelogger scrolls backlog [12:12] hm 748kb installed [12:12] apachelogger: people who like to configure things? that trait doesn't necessarily correlate with advanced users [12:12] Riddell: actually the only reason why KGRUBEditor would be included in the LiveCD is to restore GRUB [12:12] "maximizers" is a good description for those types of people [12:12] Artemis_Fowl: that would be handy [12:12] Riddell: that would be the only reason I would use it from the LiveCD [12:12] apachelogger: it expecially applies to KDE since everyone knows the k stands for Konfigure ;) [12:13] Artemis_Fowl: in order to have it in the default installation it needs to be on the CD [12:13] seele: haha :D [12:13] Kontrol your Desktop Environment [12:14] apachelogger: do you think it needs more bug testing? a whole lot of people havent been using it [12:14] and it can do some nasty stuff if there *is* somethign broken that wasn't caught yet [12:14] seele: indeed [12:14] Morning [12:15] seele: I haven't tested the latest version almost at all [12:15] by including it in the CD it will get a lot more testing as long as we announce it [12:15] apachelogger: when does that decision get made? maybe we can encourage some people to try it and see if they have any problems [12:15] seele: it was only tested when I was developing [12:15] Artemis_Fowl: did you think about including an CLI application to restore a backup? [12:15] yuriy: I had that problem with Qt apps when I had kde-nightly installed [12:15] (incompatible Qt libraries) [12:15] apachelogger: restore a backup? [12:16] Artemis_Fowl: kgrubeditor does backup the grub config, doesn't it? [12:16] apachelogger: yep [12:16] apachelogger: you can restore it through the UI [12:17] Artemis_Fowl: is there some kind of warning message when you launch it? [12:17] hm [12:17] smarter: no [12:17] * apachelogger had weird thinking right now ;-) [12:18] smarter: it silently tries to backup it at eg /boot/grub/menu.lst --> /boot/grub/menu.lst_original [12:18] plus [12:18] do you have any plan for grub2 support? :] [12:19] if you click Defaults at System Settings your original settings are restored from thsi file [12:19] smarter: I really have difficulty finding doc about GRUB2 file syntax [12:22] Artemis_Fowl: http://grub.enbug.org can be useful, but it doesn't cover everything unfortunately [12:22] grub2 is a never-ending-development [12:23] * smarter fears his setup will explode at every grub2 update [12:23] ^_^ [12:23] and most of the time it does :P [12:23] having my root fs on lvm doesn't help [12:23] I fear my setup will explode after every pam update [12:23] ubuntu 8.04 live cd not coming with lvm does not help either [12:23] Riddell: maybe we should do a meeting and discuss the inclusion for kgrubeditor [12:25] apachelogger: i also want to talk about toolbar icons [12:26] although i still need to go through the data Riddell processed [12:29] apachelogger: could do, next wednesday european evening? [12:30] Riddell: ok with me [12:30] seele: meeting wednesday 23UTC? [12:31] why do we always do them late? :/ [12:31] 23UTC is 1 AM here [12:31] so that americans can join in [12:31] agree a better time with seele then :) [12:32] Riddell: sounds good [12:32] smarter: 1am is better than 6am ;P [12:33] Riddell: maybe check with lydia [12:33] http://digg.com/software/Nerrivik_Beta_1_of_Amarok_2_0_released Hardy packages should be available, and please digg the news :-) [12:33] :D [12:34] Beta1? o_O [12:35] apachelogger: should we put it on kubuntu.org? [12:35] Nightrose: meeting at 2300UTC wednesday? [12:36] Riddell: should be ok [12:36] nixternal: can you fridge it? ^^ [12:37] Nightrose: package uploaded to intrepid [12:37] thanks apachelogger :) [12:37] we can do it an hour or two earlier if it's more convenient. the only time that sucks for me is before 7am EST [12:37] seele: what is that in UTC? [12:39] -5 so 2UTC? [12:40] but 21 or 22 UTC is fine, i'll just need to make sure i dont schedule a meeting on top of it since it is during the workday [12:40] er, that'sl not right [12:40] 12UTC [12:40] was counting the wrong way :P [12:41] ah, devfil, any progress on kdelibs or want me to look at it? [12:42] Riddell: no, should be great if you can take a look at the problem [12:42] all patches seems to be applied etc... [12:42] devfil: able to put what you have on a server somewhere? [12:43] Riddell: on my ppa [12:43] * Riddell ponders a kubuntu contribution to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep [12:43] devfil: remind me again your LP name [12:43] d.filoni [12:44] devfil: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6ubuntu1? [12:45] Riddell: how about a basic how-to-get-started-contributing-to-kubuntu? [12:45] (i could use that myself :) [12:47] seele: We're -4 from UTC currently. [12:48] ScottK-laptop: oh oops.. better update my calendar [12:48] i like working off of CET. 6 hours is easy to calculate on a 12 hour clock [12:50] Riddell: nono, I'm going to upload it [12:50] devfil: ok, let me know when it's up [12:50] 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6ubuntu1 is the merge [12:53] devfil: kdelibs is the only one you're doing, right? [12:54] ScottK-laptop: kdelibs, arts, kdewebdev, kdebindings [12:54] OK. [12:54] devfil: Thanks. At some point I'll need your tarballs for all those. [12:55] ScottK-laptop: ok [13:06] Riddell: uplaoded [13:06] ScottK-laptop: kdelibs tarball: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17000196/kdelibs_3.5.10.orig.tar.gz [13:07] devfil: Thanks. [13:10] devfil: Got it. [13:30] * Hobbsee discovers magnatune. cool :) [13:30] Hobbsee: I've got a free subscription to magnatune but I don't know what to download [13:30] heh, yeah. [13:30] there aren't the regular artists on there. [13:31] Hobbsee: listen to "blind divine" [13:31] * Hobbsee got a cool song with her new shiny phone, so is now listening to the album. [13:34] ScottK-laptop: do you know if there is a team on Debian like PAPT for KDE applications? [13:35] devfil: Yes there is. [13:36] devfil: See #debian-qt-kde on OFTC [13:36] ScottK-laptop: thanks [13:45] davmor2: any other recommendations? [13:46] Riddell: There are a couple of others like them but I can't remember their names of the top of my head :( [13:48] devfil: kdelibs seems to be compiling fine here [13:49] Riddell: you could always try the magnatune compilations [13:49] Riddell: on your machine? [13:50] devfil: yes [13:50] Riddell: just ran new updates with the new adept updater with no problems including launching and being prompted for my password [13:50] Riddell: on PPA it seems that ftbfs [13:58] devfil: I ran a buildprep beforehand, no other difference, maybe you have the wrong combination of automake/autoconf/libtool/blah [13:58] lol at blah [13:59] i hate it when i have a wrong combination of blah [13:59] jjesse: I think kdesudo doesn't run it the first time, but thereafter is fine. which is annoying [14:00] that is annoying [14:00] it worked fine [14:00] what happend to the kdesu -> kdesudo symlink? [14:00] * jjesse goes back to trying to document adept again < [14:00] smarter: now in /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu [14:00] but /usr/bin/kdesu does not exist [14:00] jjesse: for kubuntu-docs, or the book? [14:01] smarter: moved by upstream [14:01] why? [14:01] Riddell: there is no adept documentation upstream [14:01] Riddell: can the build-dep on automake be the problem? [14:01] at the kde-docs level [14:01] so i've been trying to document it and create a manual but i always lose focus [14:01] so i'm going to get it done this time [14:02] jjesse: that's the spirit :) [14:02] devfil: shouldn't be, what's your /etc/alternatives/automake set to? [14:05] Riddell: I've used pbuilder to build the package [14:09] devfil: Did you make tarballs for arts, kdewebdev, kdebindings yet? [14:11] devfil: If you haven't, I'll whip up some tarballs. [14:13] ScottK-laptop: only arts [14:13] devfil_: OK. I'll do kdewebdev and kdebindings then. [14:14] devfil_: Do you have somewhere you can put the arts tarball? [14:14] ScottK-laptop: I'm uploading it to PPA [14:14] devfil_: OK. Thanks. [14:16] ScottK-laptop: I'll take a stab at packaging Krusader [14:17] JontheEchidna: Great. I have no idea if the KDE4 version is mature enough to be useful, but the KDE3 one won't work at all so ... [14:17] I'll make packages then use it for a bit [14:17] maybe throw them in the kubuntu-experimental ppa [14:24] Think it'd be ok to start the packaging over from scratch? [14:24] JontheEchidna: if you want to maintain it sure [14:25] nevermind then :P [14:25] ScottK-laptop: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17003750/arts_1.5.10.orig.tar.gz [14:25] Riddell: have you seen the build-log from PPA? [14:27] devfil_: nope [14:27] Riddell: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17000657/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.kdelibs_4%3A3.5.10-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [14:27] devfil_: have you run buildprep and what's your /etc/alternatives/automake set to? [14:28] Riddell: buildprep no, /etc/alternatives/automake is the default [14:29] devfil_: default? [14:29] what's it set to? [14:32] Riddell: oh, maybe I've found the problem, I haven't called build-prep, but I need to call it after have done the tar.gz or not? [14:33] devfil_: Are you sure? The admin dirs in both your tarballs are unpacked (which IIRC is part of what build-prep does). [14:35] ScottK-laptop: yes [14:41] devfil_: Did you drop kubuntu_98_kate_paste_cursor kubuntu_9903_kinit_integer_overflow since they are applied upstream? [14:42] ScottK-laptop: I didn't touched them [14:43] devfil_: OK. The package isn't going to build with those patches in debian/patches. [14:43] hrm [14:43] Dunno if that's related to your current problem, but they definitely need removing. [14:44] current debian packaging for krusader doesn't have a series file for debian/patches [14:44] which is ok I guess since all of them are for kde3 anyway [14:45] JontheEchidna: simple-patchsys doesn't need one. [14:45] oh [14:46] ScottK-laptop: uhm no... I've dropped them [14:46] Ah. OK. [14:47] Oh, I dropped the simple-patchsys.mk in rules [14:47] I just kicked off a build in Hardy using your tarball, so we'll see how it goes. [14:48] I don't know why it ftbfs on my machine and PPA but not on Riddell machine [14:48] devfil_: make sure /etc/alternatives/automake -> /usr/bin/automake-1.10 [14:48] run make -f debian/rules buildprep [14:48] debuild -S [14:49] and build the resulting package [14:49] buildprep is done after you've made the .orig.tar.gz [14:49] ok [14:58] Riddell: meeting time posted on the Fridge complete [15:00] thanks nixternal [15:00] np [15:04] JontheEchidna: wow I do still have that installed [15:05] it causes conflicts with pure qt apps for some reason [15:10] ok, now just a segfault [15:10] which could be because I was trying to remove plugins [15:12] heh, krusader still uses crystal svg [15:13] and a splash that looks like it came from the 90s [15:17] Ok [15:17] so our kde4.mk uses quilt [15:17] but the current packaging uses simple-patchsys [15:18] I guess I'll change it to use quilt then [15:19] kvkbd succesfully ported to cmake :) [15:19] yay [15:25] Riddell: *** Creating config.h template [15:25] kded_post/Makefile.am:1: directory should not contain `/' [15:25] make[1]: *** [dist] Error 1 [15:25] is normal? [15:25] no [15:27] back up to 400 bugs in kdebase.. [15:28] Riddell: apport still does not appear to be working [15:28] yuriy: I know, it's on my todo list to look at, once I get update-notifier done [15:29] oh, alright. coding first :) [15:29] yuriy: :( [15:29] I think part of that is the stuff I moved for kdebase-kde4 and dolphin over to kdebase [15:30] ah [15:30] that's good then [15:30] well update notifier is one half of apport's GUI so it's a pre-requisite [15:31] oh, right, I thought that has something to do with it [15:31] how does it tie in exactly? [15:32] yuriy: it's the systray applet that pops up to say you have crash reports [15:32] and runs apport-qt when you click on it [15:32] how is Messages.sh supposed to work in kde4 app? [15:32] smarter: it's just a shall script to create the .pot translation templates [15:33] we run it from kde4.mk [15:33] a/shall/shell/ [15:33] 'kay [15:35] Riddell: ehm.. do you know why I get the error? [15:36] Riddell: is there a "release script" for kde apps which run this shell script and do other things like that? [15:36] reinstalled all the plugins and still segfaulting.. [15:42] the kde-devel package is still for KDE3 [15:44] anybody other than JontheEchidna and myself using or trying to use qtdesigner on intrepid? [15:44] actually I have it running... [15:44] didn't cause any problems for me in intrepid [15:44] yeah, that's why I know it *should* work [15:44] oh [15:44] right :) [15:46] devfil: no idea I'm afraid [15:46] man, krusader is taking forever to upload :/ [15:46] oh, there it goes [15:47] smarter: make -f debian/rules common-install-prehook-impl would, but it might insist on compiling everything first [15:47] Riddell: can you run buildprep and send me your diff.gz? [15:47] thanks [15:47] smarter: oh actually, /usr/bin/extract-messages.sh does most of it [15:47] devfil: ok [15:48] Riddell: great, thanks :) [16:04] valgrind isn't being terribly helpful. this is the last thing I get: [16:04] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/39702/ [16:19] Riddell: have you done the diff.gz? [16:24] devfil: yeah sorry http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdelibs_3.5.10-0ubuntu1.diff.gz [16:24] dsc too [16:25] Riddell: dsc is not needed [16:26] devfil: kdelibs builds here too on Hardy with your tarball. I just dropped the two patches and ran buildprep. [16:29] ScottK-laptop: I think that the 2 patch were only on hardy version [16:29] OK. [16:33] Riddell: could you remove kdiff3 from the repos? (bug 260326) [16:33] Launchpad bug 260326 in kdiff3 "I can't install kdiff3 on Intrepid (Broken dependecy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/260326 [16:33] (libkonq4-dev dep) [16:38] JontheEchidna: done [16:39] any others? [16:39] Hmm [16:39] Is there a way we could search for packages with a dep on libkonq4-dev? [16:39] Someone who wants to practice their grep-dctrl foo might look for that [16:39] JontheEchidna: ^^ [16:39] JontheEchidna: It's a build-dep you want, not a dep. [16:39] ah, right. My bad :P [16:40] There's a cheater script for it in ubuntu-dev-tools I think. [16:40] depends on too (on libkonq4) [16:40] True. [16:41] Need to check for KDE4 versions prior to removal. [16:42] dolphin [16:42] gnash [16:42] kblogger [16:42] kconfigure [16:42] kdiff3 [16:42] kerry [16:42] krusader [16:42] dolphin? [16:43] maybe the source package dolphin? [16:43] Are you checking Hardy or Intrepid? [16:43] Intrepid [16:43] reverse-build-depends libkonq4-dev [16:43] clever [16:43] found it in ubuntu-dev-tools with dpkg -L [16:43] Probably can't remove that one. [16:44] hmm, probably can't remove gnash either... [16:45] There is a kblogger-kde4 [16:46] it's out of date though [16:46] we can remove the dolphin source package if it's still around [16:46] Ah, right. [16:47] there's no kblogger binary package in Intrepid either [16:47] probably should be updated [16:47] Sounds like kblogger should be updated to be the kde4 version and kblogger-kde4 removed. [16:53] There is no KDE4 version of kconfigure [16:57] no KDE 4 version of Kerry [16:57] & I'm working on krusader for kde4 [16:59] I wonder about gnash. Is there some binding that needs to be dropped or updated? [17:01] dropped until updated [17:05] Intrepid testers wanted for Krusader 2.0~svn6069 : http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/pool/main/k/krusader/ [17:05] should probably announce that in #kubuntu-testers too [17:11] testers needed for all new update-notifier-kde http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/update-notifier-kde_0.1_all.deb [17:12] yay [17:13] now I have to find something to crash to see if apport works \o/ [17:14] JontheEchidna: any non KDE app run kill -SEGV [17:15] Riddell: actually it notified me that a KDE app had crashed in the past [17:15] goodness [17:15] but when I clicked on the systray icon [17:15] E: Unkown Error: '' (global name 'activationReason' is not defined [17:15]