[01:02] <Dekans> what's the system policy wich "prevents mounting of internal media" ?
[01:03] <Dekans> I don't see why others partitions should'nt be automounted by default
[05:18] <yuriy> I still haven't been able to get qt designer to run in Intrepid
[05:18] <yuriy> anybody else running into this problem?
[05:19] <yuriy> Cannot mix incompatible Qt libraries
[05:19] <yuriy> Aborted (core dumped)
[09:04] <davmor2> Riddell: you around yet?
[09:19] <davmor2> Riddell: There is no sign of NM in the taskbar on todays live image 20080822#
[09:33] <thr> davmor2: I get both the (working) gnome NM applet and a (broken) kde one on my intrepid system.
[09:34] <davmor2> thr: Riddell asked me to check it out on the latest live cds I have it's not there :(
[09:40] <smarter> davmor2: try to launch knetworkmanager from the command line?
[09:58] <davmor2> smarter: hang on just installed it I'm going to see if it shows up on the installed system
[10:00] <davmor2> smarter: Okay I got an ip address so I'm guessing the backend is working
[10:09] <davmor2> smarter: I got a green globe appear but it doesn't give me any details it just allows me to create a new connection/deactivate a connection/config a connection/edit connection or quit
[10:12] <Riddell> ho hum
[10:13] <davmor2> Riddell: :)
[10:17] <davmor2> Riddell: One more query why do I need to restart printer-config-kde in order for it to pick up a networked printer?  On the gnome equiv there is a refresh button that brings it up
[10:18] <Riddell> davmor2: which do you mean by printer-config-kde?
[10:21] <davmor2> Riddell: system-config-printer-kde
[10:24] <Riddell> davmor2: I guess I just need to implement a refresh button :)
[10:25] <davmor2> Ah okay cool wasn't sure if it was something missing or was hidden in a menu I couldn't find :)
[10:30] <davmor2> Riddell: what else was there MM keys, nm, printer anything else?
[10:30] <Riddell> davmor2: alt-f2?
[10:31] <Riddell> davmor2: and adept
[10:32] <davmor2> adept No
[10:32] <davmor2> alt-F2 yes
[10:33] <davmor2> mm keys checking now
[10:33] <Riddell> I still need to do that MIR for adept, so that's predictable
[10:44] <davmor2> Riddell: MM keys seem okay.  But should my ogg player get automounted by amarok?
[10:47] <davmor2> Riddell: infact should it show up at all in amarok?
[10:50] <Riddell> davmor2: it should, but it may not since the required kde 3 bits are likely missing
[10:52] <davmor2> Riddell: Ah cool so Media devices are shagged in the best media player ;)
[10:54] <Riddell> you can add them manually
[10:55] <Riddell> maybe we could package the medianotifier kded module manually
[10:58] <smarter> Riddell: except that medianotifer pop ups a dialog asking you what to do when you plug a device
[10:58] <smarter> that's why we patched kdelibs to prevent it's autoloading
[10:58] <smarter> +         blacklist << "mediamanager" << "medianotifier" << "kmilod" << "kwrited";
[10:58] <smarter> maybe unblacklisting mediamanager would be enoughN
[10:58] <smarter> *?
[11:00] <davmor2> Guys I'd love to join in the argument but you've lost me already.  Would amarok2 use the kde4 libs correctly?
[11:00] <smarter> probably
[11:01] <davmor2> If so that might be an argument for including it:)
[11:01] <smarter> I doubt it will be released before Intrepid
[11:02] <davmor2> :(
[11:02] <smarter> same for K3B
[11:05] <davmor2> Two things best at what they do in the linux world and they're being let down that's sad :(
[11:11] <Riddell> smarter: well we don't have mediamanager at all now since it was in kdebase I think
[11:12] <Riddell> davmor2: oh does compositing get turned on?
[11:12] <smarter> Riddell: oh, right
[11:13] <Riddell> smarter: but it could probably be packaged on its own
[11:15] <davmor2> Riddell: It not switched on by default in my all intel machine I'll just switch it on though and check for you :)
[11:16] <Riddell> davmor2: is /usr/bin/compiz included?
[11:19] <davmor2> switched it on and it works fine-ish  alt-ctrl-(arrow left and right) doesn't seem to move from desktop to desktop but everything else seems to work.  Fade effect, minimise effects etc
[11:19] <davmor2> wobbly windows :)
[11:20] <davmor2> Riddell: ^
[11:21] <davmor2> Riddell: Yes /usr/bin/compiz is in :)
[11:24] <Riddell> hmm, wonder why it's not on by default then
[11:28] <davmor2> Riddell: if it's any help I can try and ubuntu live cd on the same machine and tell you whether it works on there?
[11:29] <Riddell> naw, I can look into it myself in a bit
[11:29] <davmor2> at least you'll know if it's kde or compiz
[11:34] <Riddell> well sure if you want
[11:51] <davmor2> Riddell: it's KDE compiz works fine on cd in ubuntu
[11:52] <Riddell> ho hum
[11:53] <davmor2> Riddell: Well at least you know now.
[11:54] <Riddell> at least I know
[12:05] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: hallo
[12:05] <smarter> kvkbd's "choose Font" menu action is back :)
[12:05] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: hey
[12:05] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: did grubconfig get uploaded to ubuntu?
[12:06] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: dunno
[12:06] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: apachelogger should know, i think
[12:06] <davmor2> Riddell: I found an issue with MM keys.  Is there any chance of changing Play to Play/Pause I'm guessing most are setup like that now.
[12:06] <apachelogger> !info kgrubeditor intrepid
[12:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[12:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: great
[12:07] <Riddell> I wonder if it should go on the CD
[12:07] <apachelogger> IMHO, no
[12:08] <Riddell> why not?
[12:08] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: some wiki pages about grubconfig are outdated
[12:08] <apachelogger> it's really an advanced tool
[12:08] <apachelogger> so the average user wouldn't need it
[12:08] <smarter> do we have lvm back on the live-cd?
[12:08] <apachelogger> hm
[12:08] <smarter> 'cause we could  include kvpm
[12:08] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuGrubconfig
[12:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: on the other hand the average user might want windows as default boot option
[12:09] <smarter> apachelogger: that should be an option in ubiquity imho
[12:09] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: ah yes.. that is very out of date
[12:09] <apachelogger> smarter: +1
[12:09] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: i was planning on writing a case study at some point to replace that
[12:09] <smarter> really hard to get it right when you're not experienced
[12:09] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: have you gotten any feedback on the latest releasee?
[12:10] <smarter> you might destroy the windows entry at the next kernel update
[12:10] <apachelogger> smarter: that is why you got kgrubeditor :P
[12:10] <Riddell> string suggestions needed: http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/update-notifier-hooks.png
[12:10] <Riddell> for package upgrade hooks
[12:10] <seele> apachelogger: well the point of the tool was to provide some simple grub options to non advanced users
[12:11] <Riddell> that one from gnome update-notifier seems way to generic
[12:11] <seele> such as being able to rename Ubuntu entries to Kubuntu, or specify which Windows install is the OS and the Recovery partition
[12:11] <seele> apachelogger: on top of configuring the spash screen to something pretty
[12:11] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: not really. only some comments on kde-apps.org
[12:11] <apachelogger> seele: yes, but how many people would want to do that really
[12:11]  * apachelogger scrolls backlog
[12:12] <apachelogger> hm 748kb installed
[12:12] <seele> apachelogger: people who like to configure things?  that trait doesn't necessarily correlate with advanced users
[12:12] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: actually the only reason why KGRUBEditor would be included in the LiveCD is to restore GRUB
[12:12] <seele> "maximizers" is a good description for those types of people
[12:12] <smarter> Artemis_Fowl: that would be handy
[12:12] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: that would be the only reason I would use it from the LiveCD
[12:12] <seele> apachelogger: it expecially applies to KDE since everyone knows the k stands for Konfigure ;)
[12:13] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: in order to have it in the default installation it needs to be on the CD
[12:13] <apachelogger> seele: haha :D
[12:13] <smarter> Kontrol your Desktop Environment
[12:14] <seele> apachelogger: do you think it needs more bug testing?  a whole lot of people havent been using it
[12:14] <seele> and it can do some nasty stuff if there *is* somethign broken that wasn't caught yet
[12:14] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: indeed
[12:14] <JontheEchidna> Morning
[12:15] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I haven't tested the latest version almost at all
[12:15] <apachelogger> by including it in the CD it will get a lot more testing as long as we announce it
[12:15] <seele> apachelogger: when does that decision get made?  maybe we can encourage some people to try it and see if they have any problems
[12:15] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: it was only tested when I was developing
[12:15] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: did you think about including an CLI application to restore a backup?
[12:15] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: I had that problem with Qt apps when I had kde-nightly installed
[12:15] <JontheEchidna> (incompatible Qt libraries)
[12:15] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: restore a backup?
[12:16] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: kgrubeditor does backup the grub config, doesn't it?
[12:16] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: yep
[12:16] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: you can restore it through the UI
[12:17] <smarter> Artemis_Fowl: is there some kind of warning message when you launch it?
[12:17] <apachelogger> hm
[12:17] <Artemis_Fowl> smarter: no
[12:17]  * apachelogger had weird thinking right now ;-)
[12:18] <Artemis_Fowl> smarter: it silently tries to backup it at eg /boot/grub/menu.lst --> /boot/grub/menu.lst_original
[12:18] <Artemis_Fowl> plus
[12:18] <smarter> do you have any plan for grub2 support? :]
[12:19] <Artemis_Fowl> if you click Defaults at System Settings your original settings are restored from thsi file
[12:19] <Artemis_Fowl> smarter: I really have difficulty finding doc about GRUB2 file syntax
[12:22] <smarter> Artemis_Fowl: http://grub.enbug.org can be useful, but it doesn't cover everything unfortunately
[12:22] <apachelogger> grub2 is a never-ending-development
[12:23]  * smarter fears his setup will explode at every grub2 update
[12:23] <apachelogger> ^_^
[12:23] <smarter> and most of the time it does :P
[12:23] <smarter> having my root fs on lvm doesn't help
[12:23] <JontheEchidna> I fear my setup will explode after every pam update
[12:23] <smarter> ubuntu 8.04 live cd not coming with lvm does not help either
[12:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe we should do a meeting and discuss the inclusion for kgrubeditor
[12:25] <seele> apachelogger: i also want to talk about toolbar icons
[12:26] <seele> although i still need to go through the data Riddell processed
[12:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: could do, next wednesday european evening?
[12:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok with me
[12:30] <Riddell> seele: meeting wednesday 23UTC?
[12:31] <smarter> why do we always do them late? :/
[12:31] <smarter> 23UTC is 1 AM here
[12:31] <Riddell> so that americans can join in
[12:31] <Riddell> agree a better time with seele then :)
[12:32] <seele> Riddell: sounds good
[12:32] <seele> smarter: 1am is better than 6am ;P
[12:33] <seele> Riddell: maybe check with lydia
[12:33] <apachelogger> http://digg.com/software/Nerrivik_Beta_1_of_Amarok_2_0_released Hardy packages should be available, and please digg the news :-)
[12:33] <JontheEchidna> :D
[12:34] <Artemis_Fowl> Beta1? o_O
[12:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: should we put it on kubuntu.org?
[12:35] <Riddell> Nightrose: meeting at 2300UTC wednesday?
[12:36] <Nightrose> Riddell: should be ok
[12:36] <Riddell> nixternal: can you fridge it? ^^
[12:37] <apachelogger> Nightrose: package uploaded to intrepid
[12:37] <Nightrose> thanks apachelogger :)
[12:37] <seele> we can do it an hour or two earlier if it's more convenient.  the only time that sucks for me is before 7am EST
[12:37] <apachelogger> seele: what is that in UTC?
[12:39] <seele> -5 so 2UTC?
[12:40] <seele> but 21 or 22 UTC is fine, i'll just need to make sure i dont schedule a meeting on top of it since it is during the workday
[12:40] <seele> er, that'sl not right
[12:40] <seele> 12UTC
[12:40] <seele> was counting the wrong way :P
[12:41] <Riddell> ah, devfil, any progress on kdelibs or want me to look at it?
[12:42] <devfil> Riddell: no, should be great if you can take a look at the problem
[12:42] <devfil> all patches seems to be applied etc...
[12:42] <Riddell> devfil: able to put what you have on a server somewhere?
[12:43] <devfil> Riddell: on my ppa
[12:43]  * Riddell ponders a kubuntu contribution to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep
[12:43] <Riddell> devfil: remind me again your LP name
[12:43] <devfil> d.filoni
[12:44] <Riddell> devfil: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6ubuntu1?
[12:45] <seele> Riddell: how about a basic how-to-get-started-contributing-to-kubuntu?
[12:45] <seele> (i could use that myself :)
[12:47] <ScottK-laptop> seele: We're -4 from UTC currently.
[12:48] <seele> ScottK-laptop: oh oops.. better update my calendar
[12:48] <seele> i like working off of CET.  6 hours is easy to calculate on a 12 hour clock
[12:50] <devfil> Riddell: nono, I'm going to upload it
[12:50] <Riddell> devfil: ok, let me know when it's up
[12:50] <devfil> 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6ubuntu1 is the merge
[12:53] <ScottK-laptop> devfil: kdelibs is the only one you're doing, right?
[12:54] <devfil> ScottK-laptop: kdelibs, arts, kdewebdev, kdebindings
[12:54] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[12:54] <ScottK-laptop> devfil: Thanks.  At some point I'll need your tarballs for all those.
[12:55] <devfil> ScottK-laptop: ok
[13:06] <devfil> Riddell: uplaoded
[13:06] <devfil> ScottK-laptop: kdelibs tarball: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17000196/kdelibs_3.5.10.orig.tar.gz
[13:07] <ScottK-laptop> devfil: Thanks.
[13:10] <ScottK-laptop> devfil: Got it.
[13:30]  * Hobbsee discovers magnatune.  cool :)
[13:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I've got a free subscription to magnatune but I don't know what to download
[13:30] <Hobbsee> heh, yeah.
[13:30] <Hobbsee> there aren't the regular artists on there.
[13:31] <davmor2> Hobbsee: listen to "blind divine"
[13:31]  * Hobbsee got a cool song with her new shiny phone, so is now listening to the album.
[13:34] <devfil> ScottK-laptop: do you know if there is a team on Debian like PAPT for KDE applications?
[13:35] <ScottK-laptop> devfil: Yes there is.
[13:36] <ScottK-laptop> devfil: See #debian-qt-kde on OFTC
[13:36] <devfil> ScottK-laptop: thanks
[13:45] <Riddell> davmor2: any other recommendations?
[13:46] <davmor2> Riddell: There are a couple of others like them but I can't remember their names of the top of my head :(
[13:48] <Riddell> devfil: kdelibs seems to be compiling fine here
[13:49] <davmor2> Riddell: you could always try the magnatune compilations
[13:49] <devfil> Riddell: on your machine?
[13:50] <Riddell> devfil: yes
[13:50] <jjesse> Riddell: just ran new updates with the new adept updater with no problems including launching and being prompted for my password
[13:50] <devfil> Riddell: on PPA it seems that ftbfs
[13:58] <Riddell> devfil: I ran a buildprep beforehand, no other difference, maybe you have the wrong combination of automake/autoconf/libtool/blah
[13:58] <jjesse> lol at blah
[13:59] <jjesse> i hate it when i have a wrong combination of blah
[13:59] <Riddell> jjesse: I think kdesudo doesn't run it the first time, but thereafter is fine.  which is annoying
[14:00] <jjesse> that is annoying
[14:00] <jjesse> it worked fine
[14:00] <smarter> what happend to the kdesu -> kdesudo symlink?
[14:00]  * jjesse goes back to trying to document adept again <<sigh>
[14:00] <Riddell> smarter: now in /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu
[14:00] <smarter> but /usr/bin/kdesu does not exist
[14:00] <Riddell> jjesse: for kubuntu-docs, or the book?
[14:01] <Riddell> smarter: moved by upstream
[14:01] <smarter> why?
[14:01] <jjesse> Riddell: there is no adept documentation upstream
[14:01] <devfil> Riddell: can the build-dep on automake be the problem?
[14:01] <jjesse> at the kde-docs level
[14:01] <jjesse> so i've been trying to document it and create a manual but i always lose focus
[14:01] <jjesse> so i'm going to get it done this time
[14:02] <Riddell> jjesse: that's the spirit :)
[14:02] <Riddell> devfil: shouldn't be, what's your /etc/alternatives/automake set to?
[14:05] <devfil> Riddell: I've used pbuilder to build the package
[14:09] <ScottK-laptop> devfil: Did you make tarballs for arts, kdewebdev, kdebindings yet?
[14:11] <ScottK-laptop> devfil: If you haven't, I'll whip up some tarballs.
[14:13] <devfil_> ScottK-laptop: only arts
[14:13] <ScottK-laptop> devfil_: OK.  I'll do kdewebdev and kdebindings then.
[14:14] <ScottK-laptop> devfil_: Do you have somewhere you can put the arts tarball?
[14:14] <devfil_> ScottK-laptop: I'm uploading it to PPA
[14:14] <ScottK-laptop> devfil_: OK.  Thanks.
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> ScottK-laptop: I'll take a stab at packaging Krusader
[14:17] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: Great.  I have no idea if the KDE4 version is mature enough to be useful, but the KDE3 one won't work at all so ...
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> I'll make packages then use it for a bit
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> maybe throw them in the kubuntu-experimental ppa
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> Think it'd be ok to start the packaging over from scratch?
[14:24] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: if you want to maintain it sure
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> nevermind then :P
[14:25] <devfil_> ScottK-laptop: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17003750/arts_1.5.10.orig.tar.gz
[14:25] <devfil_> Riddell: have you seen the build-log from PPA?
[14:27] <Riddell> devfil_: nope
[14:27] <devfil_> Riddell: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17000657/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.kdelibs_4%3A3.5.10-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:27] <Riddell> devfil_: have you run buildprep and what's your /etc/alternatives/automake set to?
[14:28] <devfil_> Riddell: buildprep no, /etc/alternatives/automake is the default
[14:29] <Riddell> devfil_: default?
[14:29] <Riddell> what's it set to?
[14:32] <devfil_> Riddell: oh, maybe I've found the problem, I haven't called build-prep, but I need to call it after have done the tar.gz or not?
[14:33] <ScottK-laptop> devfil_: Are you sure?  The admin dirs in both your tarballs are unpacked (which IIRC is part of what build-prep does).
[14:35] <devfil_> ScottK-laptop: yes
[14:41] <ScottK-laptop> devfil_: Did you drop kubuntu_98_kate_paste_cursor kubuntu_9903_kinit_integer_overflow since they are applied upstream?
[14:42] <devfil_> ScottK-laptop: I didn't touched them
[14:43] <ScottK-laptop> devfil_: OK.  The package isn't going to build with those patches in debian/patches.
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> hrm
[14:43] <ScottK-laptop> Dunno if that's related to your current problem, but they definitely need removing.
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> current debian packaging for krusader doesn't have a series file for debian/patches
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> which is ok I guess since all of them are for kde3 anyway
[14:45] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: simple-patchsys doesn't need one.
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> oh
[14:46] <devfil_> ScottK-laptop: uhm no... I've dropped them
[14:46] <ScottK-laptop> Ah.  OK.
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> Oh, I dropped the simple-patchsys.mk in rules
[14:47] <ScottK-laptop> I just kicked off a build in Hardy using your tarball, so we'll see how it goes.
[14:48] <devfil_> I don't know why it ftbfs on my machine and PPA but not on Riddell machine
[14:48] <Riddell> devfil_: make sure  /etc/alternatives/automake -> /usr/bin/automake-1.10
[14:48] <Riddell> run   make -f debian/rules buildprep
[14:48] <Riddell> debuild -S
[14:49] <Riddell> and build the resulting package
[14:49] <Riddell> buildprep is done after you've made the .orig.tar.gz
[14:49] <devfil_> ok
[14:58] <nixternal> Riddell: meeting time posted on the Fridge complete
[15:00] <Riddell> thanks nixternal
[15:00] <nixternal> np
[15:04] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: wow I do still have that installed
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> it causes conflicts with pure qt apps for some reason
[15:10] <yuriy> ok, now just a segfault
[15:10] <yuriy> which could be because I was trying to remove plugins
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> heh, krusader still uses crystal svg
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> and a splash that looks like it came from the 90s
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> Ok
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> so our kde4.mk uses quilt
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> but the current packaging uses simple-patchsys
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> I guess I'll change it to use quilt then
[15:19] <smarter> kvkbd succesfully ported to cmake :)
[15:19] <Riddell> yay
[15:25] <devfil> Riddell: *** Creating config.h template
[15:25] <devfil> kded_post/Makefile.am:1: directory should not contain `/'
[15:25] <devfil> make[1]: *** [dist] Error 1
[15:25] <devfil> is normal?
[15:25] <Riddell> no
[15:27] <yuriy> back up to 400 bugs in kdebase..
[15:28] <yuriy> Riddell: apport still does not appear to be working
[15:28] <Riddell> yuriy: I know, it's on my todo list to look at, once I get update-notifier done
[15:29] <yuriy> oh, alright. coding first :)
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: :(
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> I think part of that is the stuff I moved for kdebase-kde4 and dolphin over to kdebase
[15:30] <yuriy> ah
[15:30] <yuriy> that's good then
[15:30] <Riddell> well update notifier is one half of apport's GUI so it's a pre-requisite
[15:31] <yuriy> oh, right, I thought that has something to do with it
[15:31] <yuriy> how does it tie in exactly?
[15:32] <Riddell> yuriy: it's the systray applet that pops up to say you have crash reports
[15:32] <Riddell> and runs apport-qt when you click on it
[15:32] <smarter> how is Messages.sh supposed to work in kde4 app?
[15:32] <Riddell> smarter: it's just a shall script to create the .pot translation templates
[15:33] <Riddell> we run it from kde4.mk
[15:33] <Riddell> a/shall/shell/
[15:33] <smarter> 'kay
[15:35] <devfil> Riddell: ehm.. do you know why I get the error?
[15:36] <smarter> Riddell: is there a "release script" for kde apps which run this shell script and do other things like that?
[15:36] <yuriy> reinstalled all the plugins and still segfaulting..
[15:42] <yuriy> the kde-devel package is still for KDE3
[15:44] <yuriy> anybody other than JontheEchidna and myself using or trying to use qtdesigner on intrepid?
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> actually I have it running...
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> didn't cause any problems for me in intrepid
[15:44] <yuriy> yeah, that's why I know it *should* work
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> oh
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> right :)
[15:46] <Riddell> devfil: no idea I'm afraid
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> man, krusader is taking forever to upload :/
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> oh, there it goes
[15:47] <Riddell> smarter: make -f debian/rules common-install-prehook-impl  would, but it might insist on compiling everything first
[15:47] <devfil> Riddell: can you run buildprep and send me your diff.gz?
[15:47] <smarter> thanks
[15:47] <Riddell> smarter: oh actually, /usr/bin/extract-messages.sh does most of it
[15:47] <Riddell> devfil: ok
[15:48] <smarter> Riddell: great, thanks :)
[16:04] <yuriy> valgrind isn't being terribly helpful. this is the last thing I get:
[16:04] <yuriy> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/39702/
[16:19] <devfil> Riddell: have you done the diff.gz?
[16:24] <Riddell> devfil: yeah sorry http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdelibs_3.5.10-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[16:24] <Riddell> dsc too
[16:25] <devfil> Riddell: dsc is not needed
[16:26] <ScottK-laptop> devfil: kdelibs builds here too on Hardy with your tarball.  I just dropped the two patches and ran buildprep.
[16:29] <devfil> ScottK-laptop: I think that the 2 patch were only on hardy version
[16:29] <ScottK> OK.
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could you remove kdiff3 from the repos? (bug 260326)
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> (libkonq4-dev dep)
[16:38] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: done
[16:39] <Riddell> any others?
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> Hmm
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> Is there a way we could search for packages with a dep on libkonq4-dev?
[16:39] <ScottK> Someone who wants to practice their grep-dctrl foo might look for that
[16:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^
[16:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It's a build-dep you want, not a dep.
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> ah, right. My bad :P
[16:40] <ScottK> There's a cheater script for it in ubuntu-dev-tools I think.
[16:40] <Riddell> depends on too (on libkonq4)
[16:40] <ScottK> True.
[16:41] <ScottK-laptop> Need to check for KDE4 versions prior to removal.
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> dolphin
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> gnash
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> kblogger
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> kconfigure
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> kdiff3
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> kerry
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> krusader
[16:42] <Riddell> dolphin?
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> maybe the source package dolphin?
[16:43] <ScottK-laptop> Are you checking Hardy or Intrepid?
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> Intrepid
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> reverse-build-depends libkonq4-dev
[16:43] <Riddell> clever
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> found it in ubuntu-dev-tools with dpkg -L
[16:43] <ScottK-laptop> Probably can't remove that one.
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> hmm, probably can't remove gnash either...
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> There is a kblogger-kde4
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> it's out of date though
[16:46] <Riddell> we can remove the dolphin source package if it's still around
[16:46] <ScottK-laptop> Ah, right.
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> there's no kblogger binary package in Intrepid either
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> probably should be updated
[16:47] <ScottK-laptop> Sounds like kblogger should be updated to be the kde4 version and kblogger-kde4 removed.
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> There is no KDE4 version of kconfigure
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> no KDE 4 version of Kerry
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> & I'm working on krusader for kde4
[16:59] <ScottK-laptop> I wonder about gnash.  Is there some binding that needs to be dropped or updated?
[17:01] <Riddell> dropped until updated
[17:05] <JontheEchidna> Intrepid testers wanted for Krusader 2.0~svn6069 : http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/pool/main/k/krusader/
[17:05] <JontheEchidna> should probably announce that in #kubuntu-testers too
[17:11] <Riddell> testers needed for all new update-notifier-kde  http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/update-notifier-kde_0.1_all.deb
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> yay
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> now I have to find something to crash to see if apport works \o/
[17:14] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: any non KDE app run kill -SEGV <pid>
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: actually it notified me that a KDE app had crashed in the past
[17:15] <Riddell> goodness
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> but when I clicked on the systray icon
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> E: Unkown Error: '<type 'exceptions.NameError'>' (global name 'activationReason' is not defined
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> and update-notifier-closed
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> Oh, and I have a second systray icon of a lightbulb
[17:16] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: krusader works, not the tidyest of applications
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> cool
[17:16] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: version should be -0ubuntu1 not -1ubuntu1 presumably
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> oops
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> wouldn't be wanting to add a new epoch with no reason
[17:17] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: does the lightbulb not have a helpful baloon to say what it does?
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> It had a baloon
[17:18] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/update-notifier-kde_0.1_all.deb updated to fix apport
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> when I clicked on it it said that language support was incomplete or something
[17:18] <Riddell> excellent
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> and if I wanted to install complete language support
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> when I clicked install or whatever:
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> It said /bin/sh: kdesu: not found
[17:19] <Riddell> is a language support bug
[17:20] <JontheEchidna> apport works
[17:20] <asfak> one more problem with kubuntu. I hope developers are listening to me. Why don't system setting have administrative priviledge ? How do i make changes in login manager in system setting ?
[17:21] <JontheEchidna> asfak: run systemsettings with kdesudo
[17:21] <JontheEchidna> KDE should add an admin button for KDE 4.2
[17:21] <Riddell> asfak: KDE issue
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> It's in the feature plan for 4.2
[17:22] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what happens if you run  sudo /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required ?
[17:22] <asfak> ok, then kubuntu temporarily add kdesu systemsettings to menu
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: nice reboot icon with a nice balloon shows up
[17:24] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: excellent, seems like this is good to upload
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> cool
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> Think it'd be ok to upload krusader after I fix the epoch?
[17:24] <asfak> i want to discuss few problems in Kubuntu Int alpha4. First is adept manager does not work. It crashes after some initialisation
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> adept3 doesn't
[17:25] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Wasn't in alpha 4
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> oh
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> right
[17:26] <ScottK> asfak: We still had the old kde3 adept.  KDE4 adept should be reasonable working for the next alpha.
[17:27] <asfak> I get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/39714/
[17:28] <Riddell> asfak: install adept 3
[17:28] <asfak> adept 3 is bit confusing. i already did that
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> then you shouldn't have adept2
[17:28] <asfak> using synaptic for a while
[17:29] <Riddell> #ubuntu is thata way
[17:29] <asfak> yeah, i reverted back to try version 2 after being disappointed
[17:30] <asfak> In ubuntu live or install system, i can access all filesystem without all this permission stuff. But in Kubuntu, though i can see the partition in Dolphin as user, i cannot access them. I can do that as root. Kubuntu developers must change this permission making compulsion.
[17:32] <Riddell> or fix the mounting patch
[17:37] <asfak> developers please change systemsettings to kdesu systemsettings  in Menu.
[17:38] <NthDegree> asfak: on what?
[17:38] <NthDegree> systemsettings does not need root privs until you are using parts of it that do
[17:38] <NthDegree> and then you click "Administration Mode"
[17:39] <NthDegree> .........what is the problem there?
[17:39] <ScottK-laptop> NthDegree: The problem is KDE4 doesn't have that button yet.
[17:39] <asfak> there is nothing like "Administration Mode" in System settings.
[17:39] <NthDegree> KDE 4 has it's own thing anyway
[17:39] <NthDegree> :|
[17:40] <NthDegree> and in that case surely it's kdesudo not kdesu
[17:41] <Riddell> it needs ported to use policykit
[17:41] <Riddell> we won't add a root systemsettings menu entry, but could do for relevant modules
[17:43] <apachelogger> kgrubeditor has some nifty code to go root
[17:44] <asfak> NthDegree, just tell me. How do you autologin using system setting in Kub Intre alpha4. I think the only way is sudo systemsettings (or kdesu systemsettings). The  system setting in default menu does not allow to do this. I agree with Ridell that could be done for relevant modules
[17:46] <asfak> atleast do for Login manager in system setting or  add 'Administration Mode". I could not find Administration mode as Nthdegree said.
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> man, my connection is being horrible today
[17:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think the COPYING file should go into the orig.tar.gz for kio-bookmarks
[17:54] <apachelogger> Riddell will know
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> I think that's what I did with that one other package...
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> forget which one that was though
[17:54] <\sh> apachelogger: I heard you want to come to froscon?
[17:55] <apachelogger> plans changed
[17:55] <apachelogger> cuddling > geek conference
[17:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, from a logical POV it doesn't make much sense to have it in the diff
[17:56] <apachelogger> because the COPYING applies to the orig.tar.gz not the diff
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> oh, what I meant to say is that I think I did add it to the orig.tar.gz for that other package
[17:57]  * JontheEchidna sees how his statement could have been misinterpereted
[17:59] <apachelogger> 2008-08-22 18:45:20	apoc	sshd[19168]	error: PAM: pam_open_session(): Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session
[17:59] <apachelogger> my sshd is b0rked -.-
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> I'd blame it on pam, given the problems the recent update caused
[17:59]  * Riddell wonders who apachelogger has found to cuddle
[17:59] <apachelogger> a windows user :D
[18:00] <apachelogger> woohh, latest update fixed pam
[18:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: a fixable bug :)
[18:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am not sure that kind of stuff should be fixed, getting bug reports all the time gets pretty annoying ;-)
[18:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: poke me when the new tarball is up
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> ok, I just uploaded it so it shouldn't be long
[18:12] <asfak> Is it a bug ? I could see my windows partition but cannot access them in dolphin as user. I close dolphin and now kdesudo dolphin, i could access windows partitions. Now i close kdesudo dolphin and restart dolphin as normal user. I could now access all window partitions with all permission. Everytime i start my Kubuntu Intrepid Alpha4, i have to do this everytime.
[18:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: acked
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: oops, forgot to poke you. But thanks
[18:53] <devfil_> Riddell: kdelibs builds fine now
[18:54] <Riddell> yay
[18:56] <devfil_> Riddell: so I've finished arts and kdelibs, where I can put them?
[18:56] <Riddell> devfil_: your ppa would be fine
[18:56] <Riddell> we'll do the upload to ubuntu on monday evening
[18:57] <devfil_> Riddell: arts is already on my ppa, for kdelibs I should set the rev number to 0ubuntu1.1, is this ok?
[18:57] <Riddell> fine
[19:00] <apachelogger> bug 259339
[19:00] <apachelogger> ubottu: you don't wanna query me, huh?
[19:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^ please sponsor
[19:01] <apachelogger> actually
[19:02] <apachelogger> meh it shouldn't depend on language-pack-kde-ml-base
[19:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok
[19:10] <Riddell> Nightrose: amarok 2 working well, but does it have ipod support?
[19:11] <Riddell> oops, crash
[19:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: I asked him to remove the dep on -base, so unless you want to do it... :)
[19:12] <Riddell> devfil_, ScottK-laptop: kdevelop got added to 3.5.10
[19:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: uploaded
[19:16] <apachelogger> thank you
[19:16] <devfil_> Riddell: kdevelop.. where is the tarball?
[19:16] <Riddell>  /msg'ed
[19:29]  * smarter looks throught his window and see a huge rainbow
[19:30] <apachelogger> <3 rainbow
[19:31]  * apachelogger is out for tonight
[19:31] <apachelogger> cu
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: any news on bug 255183?
[19:57] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I can promote that now
[19:57] <Riddell> done
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> cool, thanks
[19:57]  * JontheEchidna goes off to do kubuntu-default-settings stuffs
[20:27] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Does kdevelop still exist in intrepid then?
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> ScottK-laptop: a kde4 version of kdevelop is in alpha, iirc
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> the kdevelop package in Intrepid is still 3.5.9
[20:47] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks.
[20:52]  * JontheEchidna pushes to kubuntu-default-desktop bzr
[20:53] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: What to do about kdesdk and kdewebdev.  kdewebdev build-dep on libcvsservice-dev which is not in one of the Intrepid KDE3 packages that I'm aware of was on devfil's list.
[20:54]  * JontheEchidna scurries off to town for a few hours
[21:02] <dfiloni> Riddell: there is a way with kubuntu 8.10 to get all applications look like kde4
[21:06] <ScottK-laptop> dfiloni: Update them to KDE4 versions.
[21:06] <dfiloni> ScottK-laptop: and what about GTK apps?
[21:06] <ScottK-laptop> Oh.  Right.  There was something for that.  I don't recall the name of the package.
[21:07] <dfiloni> yea, I've tried it but isn't good
[21:14] <dfiloni_> ScottK-laptop: we should at least make a package of gtk-kde4 that seems better than gtk-qt-engine-kde4
[21:15] <ScottK-laptop> Somone should do that.  ENOTENOUGHTIME for me.
[21:16] <dfiloni_> ScottK-laptop: but do you know if will be possible to install it directly and turn on it?
[21:17] <ScottK-laptop> No, I don't.
[21:17] <ScottK-laptop> That's the kind of thing we could likely get an exception for if it was significantly better.
[21:18] <dfiloni_> I think that apps integration is important for the end user...
[21:27] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: yes kdevelop is in intrepid, no kde 4 version yet
[21:27] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: it'll have to lose the libcvsservice-dev dependency
[21:28] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: OK.  I'll leave the to you and devfil to figure out then.
[21:28] <ScottK-laptop> the/that
[21:28] <dfiloni_> ScottK-laptop: what (I'm devfil)?
[21:28] <Riddell> dfiloni_: kdewebdev needs the libcvsservice-dev dependency removed
[21:28] <ScottK-laptop> Ah.  Didn't recognize you in your new outfit.
[21:29] <dfiloni_> Riddell: yes, I already know
[21:29] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[21:29] <dfiloni_> ScottK-laptop: I use devfil or dfiloni
[21:30] <dfiloni_> Riddell: what do you think about http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/gtk-kde4?content=74689 ? IMHO it is better than gtk-qt-engine-kde4
[21:30] <ScottK-laptop> dfiloni_: If you want to go ahead and do the kdewebdev tarball, that'd good.  I have to do kdesdk first and that needs kdepim and some other stuff.
[21:30] <ScottK-laptop> dfiloni_: OK.  Now I know.
[21:36] <ScottK-laptop> Back later.
[23:03] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: trying your jockey-kde4 port and when I run it locally and close it I get a crash
[23:03] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: when I make the package and run it, there's a long backtrace