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| zerwas | Hi | 21:33 |
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| zerwas | In a few days the first deadline is there. Can somebody explain to me what this means? | 21:36 |
| askand | Is it only me or is half the mailinglist complains about topposting? =-O | 22:41 |
| nand_ | it's a rite amongst Ubuntu artworkers :) | 23:05 |
| pwnguin | it needs to be solved once and for all | 23:05 |
| pwnguin | claiming there's an established ettiquette is simply a lie | 23:06 |
| Flannel | topposting is evil | 23:06 |
| pwnguin | psh | 23:06 |
| pwnguin | write google and tell them how they're being evil then | 23:07 |
| Flannel | its a crime against your fellow man, and because such, is against the code of conduct :) | 23:07 |
| pwnguin | if open source is worth a damn, this angst should produce some sort of technical solution | 23:07 |
| pwnguin | given that we know they exist | 23:07 |
| nand_ | one of the - involuntary - culprit is Gmail : it is hiding the quoted text so that topposting or not, it looks the same. So Gmail users don't understand what is the problem | 23:07 |
| Flannel | pwnguin: Theres a good number of clients (all in Ubuntu?) that default to starting replies below quoted | 23:08 |
| pwnguin | Flannel: ok, so how about some decent threading and collapsing | 23:09 |
| pwnguin | did google patent it? | 23:09 |
| Flannel | Eh? I have no idea what you're talking about | 23:09 |
| pwnguin | have you not seen gmail threading in action? | 23:10 |
| Flannel | Nope. I prefer to own my data. | 23:10 |
| pwnguin | i dont see how that means you never look at what others are doing | 23:10 |
| pwnguin | anyways | 23:10 |
| Flannel | Having never used gmail, I obviously am unaware of its UI | 23:10 |
| Flannel | Sorry for not watching your type emails over your shoulder. | 23:11 |
| pwnguin | like there aren't videos etc | 23:11 |
| pwnguin | anyways | 23:11 |
| pwnguin | what it does is collapse quoted text into a small purple "click to expand quote" | 23:11 |
| pwnguin | and automatically threads mail | 23:12 |
| Flannel | threading is ... all over the place | 23:12 |
| pwnguin | in my experience it works almost perfectly | 23:13 |
| Flannel | pwnguin: and, a cursory search reveals that thunderbird has a quote collapse extension thing too. | 23:13 |
| pwnguin | great | 23:13 |
| pwnguin | i should try it sometime | 23:13 |
| pwnguin | the point is, lots of the world has never heard of "top posting" | 23:14 |
| pwnguin | technology can make that an artifact of time | 23:14 |
| pwnguin | and the sooner that happens, the sooner people won't feel antagonized in ubuntu-artwork | 23:15 |
| Flannel | pwnguin: Yes, but people in FOSS do, and older people (from the beginnings of the internet) do too. There's just a gap for the rest, which are also the people who click on email links to download screensavers and icon packs. I'm, not really sure where you're going. | 23:15 |
| Flannel | pwnguin: The first thing one should do when joining a community officially or unofficially, is observe their social norms. | 23:16 |
| Flannel | This goes for any community, whether online, or a new job, or whatever. | 23:16 |
| pwnguin | having observed the social norms of -artwork, they seem unhealthy :P | 23:16 |
| Flannel | pwnguin: I'm actually not subscribed to the mailing list, so I wouldn't be the one to comment on that. | 23:17 |
| pwnguin | then you'll have no choice to believe me when I say that every month a collossal top posting thread is initiated by one or two agitators | 23:18 |
| pwnguin | ive tried to remedy the poison | 23:18 |
| pwnguin | it seems to have worked a bit, but it's a social solution to a technical problem | 23:19 |
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