=== DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [21:33] Hi [21:36] In a few days the first deadline is there. Can somebody explain to me what this means? [22:41] Is it only me or is half the mailinglist complains about topposting? =-O [23:05] it's a rite amongst Ubuntu artworkers :) [23:05] it needs to be solved once and for all [23:06] claiming there's an established ettiquette is simply a lie [23:06] topposting is evil [23:06] psh [23:07] write google and tell them how they're being evil then [23:07] its a crime against your fellow man, and because such, is against the code of conduct :) [23:07] if open source is worth a damn, this angst should produce some sort of technical solution [23:07] given that we know they exist [23:07] one of the - involuntary - culprit is Gmail : it is hiding the quoted text so that topposting or not, it looks the same. So Gmail users don't understand what is the problem [23:08] pwnguin: Theres a good number of clients (all in Ubuntu?) that default to starting replies below quoted [23:09] Flannel: ok, so how about some decent threading and collapsing [23:09] did google patent it? [23:09] Eh? I have no idea what you're talking about [23:10] have you not seen gmail threading in action? [23:10] Nope. I prefer to own my data. [23:10] i dont see how that means you never look at what others are doing [23:10] anyways [23:10] Having never used gmail, I obviously am unaware of its UI [23:11] Sorry for not watching your type emails over your shoulder. [23:11] like there aren't videos etc [23:11] anyways [23:11] what it does is collapse quoted text into a small purple "click to expand quote" [23:12] and automatically threads mail [23:12] threading is ... all over the place [23:13] in my experience it works almost perfectly [23:13] pwnguin: and, a cursory search reveals that thunderbird has a quote collapse extension thing too. [23:13] great [23:13] i should try it sometime [23:14] the point is, lots of the world has never heard of "top posting" [23:14] technology can make that an artifact of time [23:15] and the sooner that happens, the sooner people won't feel antagonized in ubuntu-artwork [23:15] pwnguin: Yes, but people in FOSS do, and older people (from the beginnings of the internet) do too. There's just a gap for the rest, which are also the people who click on email links to download screensavers and icon packs. I'm, not really sure where you're going. [23:16] pwnguin: The first thing one should do when joining a community officially or unofficially, is observe their social norms. [23:16] This goes for any community, whether online, or a new job, or whatever. [23:16] having observed the social norms of -artwork, they seem unhealthy :P [23:17] pwnguin: I'm actually not subscribed to the mailing list, so I wouldn't be the one to comment on that. [23:18] then you'll have no choice to believe me when I say that every month a collossal top posting thread is initiated by one or two agitators [23:18] ive tried to remedy the poison [23:19] it seems to have worked a bit, but it's a social solution to a technical problem