[06:44] <iwein> ne1 here know if MID will work on EEE?
[06:44] <iwein> http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?pid=331892
[06:48] <persia> iwein: We've had lots of people ask that question.  So far, I can say that it appears to be troublesome to do, and that most Eee users prefer something designed for a lower-DPI environment.
[06:48] <iwein> ok thx, that probably saves me a few hours ;)
[06:48] <persia> Please feel free to try installing the McCaslin image: I understand it ought to mostly work.  If it does, or it definitely doesn't, please let us know.
[06:49] <iwein> I could at least give it a go, it's paperweight now neway
[06:49] <iwein> I'll get back on that today then probably
[07:38] <StevenK> persia: What are the packages remaining in the PPA that have older version in Intrepid?
[09:11] <iwein> I'm trying to install McCaslin image on my EEE, seems that it is hanging on the install already.
[09:12] <iwein> i don't know if that qualifies as mostly working, but I guess not
[09:16] <persia> iwein: That would mean it wasn't working.  Thanks for the feedback.  I'll tell people that it can't be installed in the future.
[09:16] <persia> I suspect there is a way to jam it in place, with a net install or something, but there's no installer available that supports that, which makes it awkward.
[09:17] <persia> I don't expect that intrepid Ubuntu MID will work on the Eee, although there's work on an Ubuntu Mobile that would be nice for those devices (although I can't promise it will be ready in time).
[09:18] <iwein> yes, I didn't really dig very deep, so I suspect there are ways to get it running
[09:18] <iwein> I'll just go for a standard Ubuntu and dress it down. there is plenty of doco's on that.
[09:19] <persia> Indeed, which is probably better for that device anyway.
[09:19] <persia> Ubuntu MID is really designed for 4-6" screens, and things don't look so ideal on a 7" or 9" device.
[09:19] <iwein> true, but it's always fun to try it anyway :D
[09:20] <iwein> I don't think a full Gnome desktop is going to look very pretty either
[09:20] <persia> No, it needs something inbetween.  Hence, Ubuntu Mobile.
[09:21] <persia> Unfortunately, that's still in heavy development, and for intrepid onwards only, so I can't tell you want to install now.
[09:23] <iwein> yep, it all makes sense. I'll be waiting for a beta on that and see what I can do with a standard install for now. Seems like the least hassle option at the moment
[09:24] <iwein> hey, while I was chatting the install moved on cancel that negative, it was just really slow apparently.
[09:24] <iwein> I'll get back later to confirm if it works for real
[09:26] <iwein> it smells a little like burning plastic in here, but I'm booting ubuntu... hehe
[09:30] <persia> Cool!  Yeah, it's not very interactive, and needs to format the disk, but it's great news that it seems to be working.
[09:33] <iwein> yes, I just thought it would be faster, so if there would be some output you'd get less false negatives I guess
[09:34] <iwein> so, mostly working seems right. It looks really slick actually
[09:35] <persia> iwein: You mean it does just work on the Eee?  That's excellent news.  Thank you very much for being patient enough to try it.
[09:35] <iwein> but, and this is a bit of a bummer, I have no mouse whatsoever. The eee doesn't have a touchscreen, so I need to find a way to install mouse drivers without a mouse I guess.
[09:36] <persia> If you can get a terminal, you can modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf-samsungq1ultra to not hardcode the touchscreen settings, and it ought work that way.
[09:36] <persia> Try switching to a VT with Alt-F2 or some such.
[09:36] <iwein> I'm a bit of a rookie here, so bare with me, this is going to take time
[09:36] <persia> Not hardcoding stuff is another intrepid goal.
[09:37] <iwein> Alt-F2 doesn't do anything, Ctrl-Alt-Bksp restarts gnome, and spacebar selects home. I do have keyboard, but am clueless as to what to do with it
[09:38] <persia> Oh, that's my mistake.  Ctrl-Alt-F2
[09:38] <iwein> yep
[09:38] <iwein> told you I was a rookie ;)
[09:39] <iwein> is there a user/pass I should try
[09:39] <iwein> or a document I should read before asking :)
[09:39] <persia> User "ume", no password
[09:39] <persia> Heh.  Better to ask.  If you get somewhere where there's a document, I'll let you know.
[09:41] <iwein> yeah, i'm modifying xorg, but with that tiny EEE keyboard it's going to take me a while...
[09:42] <iwein> are you sure about that filename?
[09:43] <iwein> got it
[09:43] <persia> Something like that.  /etc/X11/xorg.conf is ignored entirely (and yes, this is another bug)
[09:44] <iwein> ok, so I should change the input device right?
[09:45] <persia> RIght.  In the Core Pointer section, you want /dev/input/mice rather than the touchscreen.
[09:50] <iwein> I don't see a Core Pointer section.. I see a section for Mouse0 and one for touchscreen
[09:50] <iwein> should I just remove the touchscreen section?
[09:51] <persia> Let me look at the config again
[09:52] <persia> Oh, sorry, I've given you poor advice (because I hadn't looked at the config in a while).
[09:52] <persia> Change /dev/input/mouse2 to /dev/input/mice in the Mouse0 InputDevice section, and try restarting X.
[09:52] <iwein> ok
[09:52] <ogra> you might want to drop the touchscreen though
[09:53] <ogra> if there is no device there is not much pint in having a config for it
[09:53] <ogra> *point
[09:55] <ogra> specifically from the ServerLayout section
[09:56] <iwein> yep, i did that and removed the whole section too
[09:56] <iwein> restarting now
[09:56] <ogra> and you likely want a section for asynaptics touchpad
[09:56] <ogra> *a synaptics
[09:57] <ogra> guessing thats what the eee comes with by default
[09:57] <iwein> yep, but I have a usb mouse attached, should that work out of the box?
[09:59] <iwein> it does
[10:00] <ogra> yes, with /dev/input/mice
[10:01] <iwein> hrm, x doesn't come back up
[10:01] <iwein> i can see the screen with the mouse pointer > black > repeat
[10:02] <iwein> I guess I made a mistake somewhere
[10:04] <iwein> ok that was annoying, it kept restarting X or something. I just gave it a pkill X and now I'm back at the terminal.
[10:07] <persia> iwein: How did you restart X?
[10:07] <iwein> first a reboot, then with X command
[10:07] <persia> X command?
[10:08] <iwein> it was complaining about coming up from hibernation, so I suspect that there is something wrong there
[10:08] <iwein> yes, if you type X it starts X
[10:08] <persia> No, it's just that the hibernate scripts are similarly hardware-specific unfortunately.
[10:09] <iwein> i looked for init.d/gdm or xdm, but the were not there
[10:09] <persia> Try `sudo stop session; sudo start session` to restart X, which ought to launch the desktop.
[10:11] <iwein> well, I'm still looking at the terminal, should I do something to get back at the desktop?
[10:12] <persia> Alt-F7 ought get you back to VT 7, which ought have the desktop
[10:12] <iwein> yes, I tried that, but that gives me a black screen too
[10:13] <iwein> (showing the output for Alt-F7 to be precise)
[10:14] <iwein> tty1 has some errors on it: FreeFontPath: ... refcount is 2 should be 1
[10:14] <persia> Hmm.
[10:14] <ogra> thats ok
[10:14] <ogra> check the end of /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:14] <ogra> it should tell you about the exact errors
[10:15] <ogra> font path issues are not perventing X from starting
[10:15] <ogra> *preventing (heh)
[10:15] <iwein> that was helpful: Undefined input device, that could be it :D
[10:16] <ogra> how does your ServerLayout section look like ? 
[10:16] <ogra> any input devices in there you dont have defined ? 
[10:16] <iwein> yes, I commented out SendCoreDevice and now x is starting fine
[10:17] <iwein> with mouse :D
[10:17] <ogra> good
[10:17] <persia> Excellent.
[10:18] <iwein> I'll look up the def for asynaptics later, next thing is getting wifi to work, I think i saw a reference on that.
[10:19] <iwein> first I'll celebrate with a coffee
[10:19] <iwein> wow, the touchpad already works I'll have two coffees then
[10:20] <persia> ogra: Do you happen to know when dh_gconf needs to be called?  I'm calling it in binary/$(package):: with CDBS, but I'm not getting a postinst or prerm.
[10:20] <ogra> in rules
[10:20] <ogra> but not sure where in cdbs 
[10:20] <ogra> i'm not a big cdbs fan/user ... only if i have to
[10:21] <persia> But it belongs in the binary rule, doesn't it?
[10:21] <ogra> err, i'D put it into install
[10:22] <persia> Hmm.  I'll try that.
[10:23] <ogra> or if its an indep package at least into binary-indep
[10:25] <persia> Right.  I am an idiot today.  This is why I prefer tracking down things that a broken for someone else: they already thought of all the obvious things, and I only have to look at what's left :)
[10:25] <ogra> :)
[10:29] <persia> Still, putting it in install: worked, so now we can actually launch X in intrepid \o/
[10:30] <ogra> yay
[10:31] <ogra> hmm, having working calibration shouldnt actually be to hard with hal-input .... hal-set-property is callable from userspace
[10:31] <ogra> might need an additional hal handler
[10:31] <ogra> and a file to store the values
[10:31] <ogra> whch this hal handler reads then 
[10:32] <ogra> if i get that going it shuldnt be to hard to just use different touchscreen drivers either :)
[11:01] <iwein> im fiddling with the EEE network drivers now, but it is a bit of a nag because don't have build-essentials. doco's I find assume that you already have network, quod non. is there a shortcut?
[11:03] <persia> The network drivers depend on DKMS now?
[11:04] <iwein> dkms?
[11:05] <iwein> http://www.ubuntu-eee.com/index.php5?title=Getting_the_network_drivers_working_on_the_901
[11:06] <iwein> those native ralink drivers need to be built with make
[11:06] <persia> You're runing Ubuntu MID on a 901?  Isn't that the large screen one?
[11:06] <iwein> no it's the 7, but the procedure is the same afain
[11:07] <persia> OK.  I have a 7" device, and Ubuntu MID isn't so bad, but I just couldn't imagine it on a 9"
[11:07] <iwein> i have 7'' too
[11:07] <iwein> the instructions are for 9, but the basic steps are the same
[11:08] <iwein> you need to make; make install, that's the problem
[11:09] <davmor2> persia: I've seen UNR running on both 7 and 9 inch and it looks great on both :)
[11:09] <persia> davmor2: Reeally?  Some of the icons were getting blocky on my 7", which is why I thought they'd be especially bad on the 9".
[11:09] <persia> Mind you, I've seen Ubuntu Desktop on a 3.7", which has quite a different set of issues :)
[11:10] <iwein> well, it's superbly better than the Xandros stuff they ship them with
[11:12] <persia> iwein: I don't find any shortcuts from a quick look about.  It appears you need to compile it.
[11:12] <davmor2> persia: No at LugRadioLive Uk 08 on of the exhibitors was Efficient PC (Ubuntu Partner IIRC) and he had installed UNR via manual hacks and said it was much better on the smaller screen due to the add space you gained.  Then proceeded to ask me about when UNR would be released as a really desktop and save him the hassle of the manual hacking :)
[11:13] <persia> If you've a desktop and some way to copy files from the desktop to the laptop (e.g. USB key), you might either add packages to the Eee, or compile it on the desktop (remember to compile for the lpia architecture).
[11:13] <iwein> yes, that's what I'm doing.
[11:14] <iwein> it is a hassle though with one usb stick :D
[11:14] <persia> davmor2: Oh, UNR is rather different than Ubuntu MID (although the color scheme is similar), and yes, it's better tuned for that size device.
[11:27] <iwein> I think I should go for UNR. MID isn't really a good fit for the EEE (although it does look ok). Mostly works is a fair assessment I think.
[12:22] <nxvl> good morning
[17:16] <GrueMaster> Any truth to the buzz about 2.6.27 in Intrepid?
[17:18] <mkrufky> i think that's what they've decided, GrueMaster
[17:20] <persia> There's buzz, but I'm not sure the decision is final yet.  Depends on feedback.
[17:20] <persia> The current thread on the mailing list includes two positive comments and no negative comments, so it's likely we'll get an update.
[17:20] <ogra> depends on kernel.org as well
[20:11] <iwein> @persia @ogra I was here 10 hours ago when trying MID on EEE. I tried some different options after that and if anyone asks you should point them to http://www.ubuntu-eee.com/
[20:12]  * ogra knows ubuntu-eee.com ... i assumed you did too 
[20:12] <iwein> with literally no extra work everything is just working
[20:12] <iwein> yes, i knew, but didn't try yet
[20:13]  * iwein is better for trying MID too
[20:13] <ogra> i'D love to see that integrated in the main distro though
[20:13] <ogra> instead of running as separate project 
[20:13] <iwein> yes, and you guys have the .img done way better. I couldn't prepare the usb from a mac.
[20:14] <iwein> it feels like cheating, but it saves a lot of time
[20:14] <iwein> (meaning the use of http://www.ubuntu-eee.com/
[20:14] <iwein> )
[20:17] <shishirm1> has any1 tried ubuntu netbook remix??
[20:17] <iwein> neway, thx for the help today and kudos. hope you guys support the iPhone soon ;)
[20:17] <ogra> unlikely :)
[20:17] <ogra> unless all the HW specs get revealed by apple 
[20:17]  * iwein was expecting something like that
[20:18] <shishirm1> ﻿ogra: hey have u guys tried ubuntu netbook remix??
[20:18] <ogra> we'll likely start supporting arm at some point in the future
[20:18] <ogra> shishirm1, its only four apps, feel free to try
[20:19] <iwein> I didn't find netbook remix very mature, although it looks promising
[20:19] <shishirm1> ya but i wanted to know i can switch back to gnome as usual if i dont like it!!
[20:19] <shishirm1> has any1 tried that
[20:19] <ogra> you can remove the four apps indeed
[20:19] <ogra> and revert the config changes you need to make
[20:19] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/netbook-remix
[20:19] <shishirm1> i had put ume for a while on my khojinsha sh6 looks good waiting for a proper release
[20:20] <ogra> its not clear that there will ever be a public release 
[20:20] <ogra> its for OEMs
[20:20] <ogra> so you might hav to buy a device with it preinstalled and customized for the device 
[20:21] <ogra> but who knows ... there might be someone making a public release for tesing or so
[20:21] <shishirm1> ok
[20:21] <ogra> (its called -remix- )