[00:50] <nxvl> NCommander: around?
[00:50] <NCommander> sorta
[00:51] <NCommander> Suffering from ada-itus
[00:51] <nxvl> NCommander: i still apear in revu as a contributor
[00:51] <nxvl> and it's not taking in account my ACK's
[00:51] <NCommander> ACKs?
[00:51] <nxvl> advocates
[00:51] <nxvl> +1's
[00:51] <nxvl> however you want to call it
[00:51] <NCommander> Checking
[01:14] <nxvl> need to run
[01:15] <nxvl> NCommander: please take a look at that
[01:15] <nxvl> :D
[01:15] <NCommander> Look at what?
[01:15] <NCommander> I fixed that
[02:35] <Stemp> Hi all (again in fact for some of you), I ask the question in ubuntu-bugs but it might be better to ask here. It's about a bug in fail2ban in Hardy. This bug is fixed in Debian. I uploaded the Sid package in my ppa to check it. What should I do now to ask for the Debian package in Hardy ?
[03:03] <Stemp> Good night, I was answered in ubuntu-bugs
[03:35] <StevenK> ~.
[03:57] <tbielawa> hello all
[04:18] <tbielawa> I wonder if there's any chance some one can please give me some REVU feedback? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=lucidlife
[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:05] <geser> good morning dholbach
[08:05] <dholbach> hi geser
[08:14] <raphink> morning
[08:25] <didrocks> hi everyone o/
[09:08] <slytherin> If a package contains help files, do I need anything special in postinsts to install them? scrollkeeper update etc.
[09:25] <huats> morning everyone
[09:31] <persia> slytherin: It entirely depends on the type of the help files.  If you want to register them with scrollkeeper, you'd need to do so.
[09:38] <Iulian> G'morning
[09:46] <slytherin> persia: I am trying to fix bug 259657. The help files will be accessed only through brasero help menu
[09:46] <persia> slytherin: Does brasero have code to read the files directly?
[09:47] <slytherin> persia: I think so. Because currently when I click help menu, it tells me that files are missing.
[09:48] <persia> slytherin: Try just installing the files in the place brasero wants them, and testing locally.  If that doesn't work, you'll need to dive into the code to figure out how you are reaching that error.
[09:49] <slytherin> persia: I don't have access to intrepid installation now. Do you have?
[09:50] <persia> slytherin: Yes, but my queue is immense just now.
[09:50] <persia> Does your machine support kvm?
[09:50] <slytherin> persia: I am in office, so I am not interested in setting up kvm here. :-)
[09:50] <persia> slytherin: Ah.  I understand.
[10:12] <DktrKranz> NCommander, gnat transition in hardy seems limited to only six packages, most of all you already published to your PPA.
[10:13]  * DktrKranz needs to look for online presence before ping people
[10:14] <directhex> gnat update in hardy?
[10:15] <DktrKranz> directhex: no. some packages need to be transitioned to gnat-4.2, we didn't manage this in time in Hardy and now some are broken
[10:16] <directhex> oh. whoops.
[10:17] <DktrKranz> directhex: some experience with gnat or ADA pacakges? we lack testers, and help is appreciated.
[10:19] <directhex> DktrKranz, no, sorry. i restrict myself to spreading evil microsoft patents via mono work.
[10:20] <DktrKranz> heh
[10:20] <DktrKranz> take a break, then
[10:20] <DktrKranz> ;)
[10:22] <directhex> monodoc needs updating for intrepid, but i'm working on updating it in debian first
[10:22] <directhex> some other kind soul is working on mono-tools
[10:25] <kostmo> Are any MOTU's online that would be willing to advocate for "pyrocket"? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=3406
[10:25] <kostmo> "pyrocket" complements the "pymissile" package already in Ubuntu to support the whole range of USB missile launchers that are out there.  "pyrocket" also provides webcam support, joystick control, and the beginnings of automatic computer-vision control.
[10:25] <kostmo> What is probably of more use to the general communitiy, however, is the framework to control USB devices from Python (see here for this very idea: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=09eea181c23d517021f3f641630b20b9&p=4171807&postcount=4).  My "backend" code serves as a concise example for these activities.  Including my package would benefit Ubuntu by widening the gamut of hardware support, offering a springboard for USB and c
[10:25] <kostmo> omputer vision tinkering, and enabling really dorky Youtube videos (remember Compiz cube porn)?
[10:25]  * directhex blinks
[10:25] <kostmo> :)
[10:25] <directhex> there's a "whole range" of usb missile launchers?
[10:26] <kostmo> yeah, at least 4
[10:26]  * directhex blinks again
[10:26] <directhex> nobody in the US army is using this stuff, right?
[10:26] <torkel> directhex: you can't start a war with only one launcher... :-)
[10:26] <kostmo> i have a few
[10:26] <kostmo> but no opposition
[10:27] <directhex> try iran
[10:27] <kostmo> they're only interested in space exploration, right?
[10:29] <kostmo> well, bedtime for me now
[10:30] <kostmo> I'll check for bites in the morning
[10:33] <cyberix> Could someone review pyliblo? It probably still needs some work.
[10:33] <cyberix> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=pyliblo
[10:35] <kostmo> one more thing - I think this says it all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV6573UjSpc&NR=1
[10:36]  * kostmo sleeps
[10:36] <persia> http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=jQBqTqDPqXs&feature=related
[10:37] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[10:41] <Iulian> Hello sistpoty.
[10:41] <sistpoty|work> hi Iulian
[10:45] <cyberix> sistpoty|work: You just missed my advertisement.
[10:45] <cyberix> sistpoty|work: In short: If you get bored, look at pyliblo at revu.
[10:46] <sistpoty|work> cyberix: sorry, am at work atm, so I can't review packages
[10:46] <cyberix> sistpoty|work: no hurry
[10:46] <cyberix> sistpoty|work: I'm trying to get someone to review it someday
[10:46] <sistpoty|work> heh
[10:47] <cyberix> Probably not all correct
[10:47] <cyberix> I'm hoping to get a list of errors
[10:47] <cyberix> and maybe solution suggestions
[11:12] <stefanlsd> If im trying to test a postrm command to check a purge issue - is it enough to just fix the postrm in /var/lib/dpkg/info  and try purge the package... doesnt seem to work. (unless my fix doesnt work)
[11:15] <persia> stefanlsd: If the problem is only with purge, that should be sufficient.
[11:15] <persia> (In other words, your fix doesn't work)
[11:16] <stefanlsd> persia: hehe. thanks. yeah, i figured its not actually an issue with postrm, but with prerm which is looking for the file im trying to ignore if its not found in postrm. so yeah, thanks. need to fix my fix :)
[11:31] <stefanlsd> When i've made a fix and i'm doing a diff, is the aim for the diff to be as unobtrusive as possible, or to be more correct. In this case im talking about indentation. After putting things in an if and indenting, the diff is larger then if i didnt indent, and left it. pretty readable still though...
[11:32] <azeem> stefanlsd: keep the coding style of the code you're changing
[12:22] <nxvl> good morning
[12:50] <Hobbsee> greetings
[12:50] <Iulian> Hey
[12:52] <geser> Hi Hobbsee
[12:55] <Raybuntu> Anyone free to make a quick review on my package? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=get-you It's a tool for downloading videos from videosites like Youtube.
[12:56] <persia> Raybuntu: How is it better than the other three packages that do that?
[12:56] <Raybuntu> you can search videos in the GUI
[12:57] <Raybuntu> and preview it
[13:00] <persia> MOTU Meeting in #ubuntu Meeting
[13:01] <geser> I hope not in #ubuntu but #ubuntu-meeting :)
[13:01] <persia> Err.  Indeed.
[13:02]  * persia is multitasking badly
[13:03] <huats> morning nxvl
[13:03] <huats> nxvl:and since I haven't seen you for a while : congrats !
[13:03] <huats> I am really happy for you :)
[13:04] <nxvl> huats: thank you!
[13:04] <nxvl> huats: you should in a while
[13:05] <huats> :)
[13:05] <huats> I will :)
[13:05] <huats> ;)
[13:05] <huats> (I hope so at least)
[13:06] <Hobbsee> oh, meeting.
[13:06] <emgent> evening
[13:07] <nxvl> read you later, have a nice day!
[13:13] <huats> does anybody know where I can find the diff between policy 3.7.2 and 3.8.0 ?
[13:13] <huats> (I mean if there is a diff available somewhere)
[13:13] <james_w> /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.gz is useful
[13:13] <james_w> that's the approximate path at least
[13:13] <huats> james_w: thanks
[13:13] <huats> I'll have a look :)
[13:14] <james_w> it's not a diff as such, but it tells you what changed that you may need to change in your package
[13:14] <huats> it is exactly what I am looking for :)
[14:04] <huats> when I change the soname of a lib, I have to declare that the new lib conlicts/replaces with the previous one right ?
[14:05] <geser> no, if both versions are co-installable
[14:05] <geser> you need to rename the package to reflect the new soversion
[14:05] <huats> geser: that is what I did
[14:06] <huats> how can I figure out if they are co-installable ?
[14:06] <geser> they should usually be unless you have some common files in both packages
[14:06] <huats> ok
[14:06] <huats> I'll have a look at that
[14:07] <huats> thanks geser
[14:12] <geser> sistpoty|work: "September 5nd"? shouldn't it be "September 5th"?
[14:13] <sistpoty|work> geser: good point *g*
[14:14] <jpds> It's in France?
[14:15] <Iulian> jpds: Friday :P
[14:16] <Iulian> sistpoty|work: You can change that with Fri
[14:16]  * sistpoty|work just reused the previous Fr *g*
[14:16] <sistpoty|work> Iulian: feel free to change the topic yourself ;)
[14:18] <Iulian> Just noticed that there is no +t mode.
[14:19] <sistpoty|work> if there were, I couldn't change the topic either ;)
[14:19] <geser> jelmer: Hi, re bug 255106: it needs a newer bzr-dbus than is in intrepid but I couldn't find a sync request for it.
[14:19] <jpds> If there were, I'd remove it.
[14:19] <jelmer> geser, hi
[14:19] <jelmer> geser, you're right, sorry
[14:19] <jelmer> geser, should I file one?
[14:20] <nxvl> geser: is bzr maintained @ debian?
[14:21] <geser> jelmer: yes please, if it's safe to sync it to intrepid
[14:21] <geser> nxvl: I hope jelmer maintains his packages which he want synced from Debian
[14:22] <nxvl> oh it actually is
[14:22] <nxvl> i thought it will be maintained @ ubuntu
[14:25] <jelmer> nxvl: The pkg-bazaar-maint team is a mix of Debian and Ubuntu people, we usually upload to Debian and wait for it to sync to Ubuntu
[14:26] <nxvl> jelmer: i would say Debian, ubuntu and canonical people, but yeah, i understand what you mean
[14:27] <nxvl> jelmer: that's actually what i use to do with my packages
[14:27] <nxvl> fix in debian -> sync in ubuntu
[14:27] <jelmer> nxvl, well, canonical people are Debian/Ubuntu people too :-)
[14:28] <persia> Umm, aren't there also random bzr developers who are none of Debian, Ubuntu, or Canonical?
[14:29] <james_w> persia: not in pkg-bazaar-maint
[14:29] <james_w> not a lot for them to do there if they're not interested in Debian or Ubuntu
[14:29] <persia> Ah, no there wouldn't be.
[14:29] <nxvl> persia: as in upstream, yes, but not maintainer AFAIK
[14:29] <ScottK-laptop> jelmer: Some are and some aren't.
[14:30]  * persia feels the weight of comprehension dawning
[14:30] <jelmer> yeah, there's actually some Canonical folks who work on Bazaar and whose primary platform is Windows
[14:30] <nxvl> persia: comprehension or the lack of sleep?
[14:30] <nxvl> :D
[14:30] <jelmer> neither of them helps maintain the Debian packages though :-)
[14:31] <persia> nxvl: The one, but "dawning" because of the other.
[14:31] <nxvl> persia: that's what i thougt
[14:36]  * Hobbsee grumbles at forumsheep.
[14:36] <Hobbsee> at the very least, you can use brainstorm.  Or if you can't, sending an email to the devel discuss mailing list is useful, but you could at least provide a summary of what it is, so those who aren't interested don't need to visit the forum thread....
[14:37] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: but the forums are COOL!
[14:37] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: and everyone who doesn't want to use them is AGAINST the community!
[14:37] <joaopinto> Canonical using Windows ? Sacrilege :P
[14:37] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: they're cool at being *forums*.  they do not do a good job of impersonating the bug tracker, ideastorm, or anything else!
[14:37] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: heh.
[14:38] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: sounds like the whole "there are more forumsheep than anyone else, so everyone should bend to the will of the forumsheep" argument...
[14:38] <directhex> Hobbsee, which forum sheepery? removing mono from ubuntu-desktop?
[14:39] <Hobbsee> directhex: nah - ubuntu-restricted-extras mail
[14:40] <Hobbsee> directhex: i've been avoiding the mono bleating.
[14:40] <directhex> Hobbsee, i ought to, but FUD is one of those things that tends to fester rather than go away
[14:40] <Hobbsee> heh
[14:41]  * Hobbsee wondres if listadmin is finished yet
[14:41] <Hobbsee> er, fixed
[14:41] <directhex> ubuntuforums. top google hit for "banning mono"
[14:41] <Hobbsee> yay
[14:41] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: Anyone who doesn't want mono can just switch to Kubuntu.
[14:42] <Hobbsee> ban forums?  :)
[14:42] <Hobbsee> ScottK-laptop: or just...purge mono...
[14:42] <ScottK-laptop> That's be good too.
[14:42] <Hobbsee> or ban forums.
[14:42] <Hobbsee> er, forum sheep.
[14:42] <ScottK-laptop> Yes, but just pointint out that if one wants a mono free *buntu desktop there is one already.
[14:42] <directhex> these are all rational options. but i wish the "ban mono" brigade would start with "ban fat32.ko" or "ban smbclient" first
[14:42] <Hobbsee> true
[14:43] <Hobbsee> directhex: baaaa.
[14:43] <directhex> since the main mono moan is teh patentzzzz
[14:43] <Hobbsee> directhex: perhaps you need to lead them in that direction.  or find someone else to.
[14:43] <directhex> the other one being "why reinvent java, java is gpl", ignoring the several year time gap between events
[14:44] <directhex> Hobbsee, ignorance can be cured. i do what i can for ignorance
[14:44] <directhex> Hobbsee, stupidity on the other hand... baaaaaaaa
[14:44] <Hobbsee> directhex: that's true :)  very true :)
[14:44] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: patentzzzz are also a concern for Samba.  After all the Samba devs got access to non-public documentation.
[14:45] <directhex> ScottK-laptop, non-public documentation is fine. implementing ECMA standards is evil!
[14:45] <ScottK-laptop> Right, but try and tell me there aren't patents around MS SMB networking extensions.
[14:47] <jelmer> ScottK-laptop, ??
[14:48] <jelmer> ScottK-laptop, We don't have any more docs than everybody else
[14:48] <ScottK-laptop> jelmer: Right.  Poorly put.
[14:48] <jelmer> ScottK-laptop, Microsoft published those docs we got access to on MSDN
[14:48] <directhex> ScottK-laptop, iirc samba's covered by a patent pledge
[14:48]  * ScottK-laptop was missing the word 'previously'
[14:48] <directhex> http://www.microsoft.com/interop/osp/default.mspx
[14:48] <ScottK-laptop> jelmer: Sorry about that.  Thanks for the correction.
[14:49] <NCommander> DktrKranz, you around?
[14:52] <ma10> why does the whole world have to obey US patent law anyway?
[14:53] <directhex> ma10, because teh patentzzz!
[14:53] <DktrKranz> NCommander: yes
[14:53] <tuxmaniac> DktrKranz: hi
[14:53] <ma10> directhex: ? :-O
[14:53] <NCommander> DktrKranz, I rebuilt (almost) everything last night
[14:54] <jelmer> geser, Thanks, filed a sync request
[14:54] <tuxmaniac> DktrKranz: I have got the changes you requested tested by the upstream devels for bug 207760.
[14:54] <directhex> ma10, don't look for rational logic from some quarters, not when there's teh patentzzz to fear, and micro$haft to disparage
[14:54]  * NCommander thinks of two-face and his quarter
[14:54] <DktrKranz> NCommander: I did preliminary tests, and it seems there are only 6 packages involved (5 of them are in your PPA)
[14:54] <tuxmaniac> DktrKranz: I mean, the changes tested as requested by you.
[14:55] <directhex> ma10, and especially don't let them know there are packages in universe under MS license, released by MS
[14:55] <NCommander> DktrKranz, Your right, only five packages build-dep on gnat-4.1
[14:55] <ma10> directhex: uhuh but last time i check the euro parliament voted against
[14:55] <jelmer> ScottK-laptop, no problem, as long as we agree on what the situation is :-) There is a lot of misinformation out there
[14:55] <NCommander> But I thought the goal was to remove gnat-4.1 totally so everything is consistant
[14:55] <ma10> directhex: really?
[14:56] <directhex> ma10, really! check /usr/share/doc/ironpython/copyright
[14:56] <directhex> Copyright (c) Microsoft Corporation.
[14:56] <ma10> $ apt-get purge ms* :D
[14:56] <directhex> Microsoft Public License (Ms-PL)
[14:56] <directhex> Ms-PL is DFSG-free, before moaning begins
[14:57] <directhex> infact, Ms-PL includes a patent grant
[14:57] <ma10> directhex: nooo don't give more ammo to the anti-mono crew
[14:57] <DktrKranz> NCommander: well... since gnat-4.1 is stable and in good shape, we should transition those which have been rebuilt against 4.2 with issues (hardcoded deps, FTBFS, and so on)
[14:57] <nxvl> i wouldn't trust microsft even if they said it's open
[14:57] <nxvl> but yes, it's Free Software compilant
[14:57] <directhex> Ms-PL is actually a nice license, reading through it
[14:57] <nxvl> at least it seems to be
[14:58] <NCommander> directhex, ok, fair enough, then can we zap gnat-4.1 from ntrepid ;-)?
[14:58] <nxvl> class is over
[14:58] <directhex> NCommander, you can zap anything you like, as long as it's not mono-related. perhaps you mean DktrKranz?
[14:58] <nxvl> read you later
[14:58]  * NCommander zaps directhex 
[14:58] <directhex> sorry, i'm mono-related
[14:59] <NCommander> I know, we need to steriallize you before people get sick :-P
[14:59]  * NCommander recently got sick of mono
[15:00] <NCommander> DktrKranz, which package do I need to add?
[15:00] <NCommander> (there might be a bug with libgtkada I need to resolve first though)
[15:00] <stefanlsd> Is there a list of requirements for being accepted as a UUC?
[15:01] <DktrKranz> NCommander: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyGnatTransition, those which have "need to be fixed" in bold
[15:01] <NCommander> wiki. so. slow.
[15:01]  * NCommander dies
[15:02] <DktrKranz> tuxmaniac: cool
[15:03] <NCommander> DktrKranz, I didn't build gnat-gps before of a build-deps issue I'm trying to work out
[15:04] <NCommander>   libgtkada-2.8: Depends: libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.20.5) but 1.20.1-1 is to be installed
[15:04] <NCommander> That's the issue
[15:04] <DktrKranz> I tried to figure out a good dependency chain for SRUs too. asis is the first, libaws comes next and the remaining ones will follow
[15:05] <NCommander> Argh, libgtkada-2.8 only has shlibs:Deepend on its package list >.<;
[15:05] <DktrKranz> NCommander: did you have -updates available?
[15:05] <NCommander> er
[15:05] <DktrKranz> I didn't get that
[15:06] <NCommander> Well
[15:06] <NCommander> THat fixed that
[15:07] <NCommander> Fixing and building gnat-gps
[15:07] <NCommander> anyway, the order is as follows
[15:07] <DktrKranz> nice to know, GNOME packages are not our business
[15:08] <NCommander> asis -> libtemplate -> adacontrol|gnade -> gnat-gps
[15:09] <DktrKranz> is libtemplates-parser affected too?
[15:09] <NCommander> That's build from libtemplate
[15:09] <DktrKranz> mh, I didn't get it
[15:09] <DktrKranz> probably I missed it
[15:10] <NCommander> gnat-gps has no hardcoded dependency ong nat-4.1
[15:10] <NCommander> (although its build-deps do, so it probably needs a binary rebuild
[15:13] <NCommander> python/src/python_support.c:21:20: error: Python.h: No such file or directory
[15:14] <NCommander> Bah
[15:14] <StevenK> NCommander: Epic Fail! You loos!
[15:15] <NCommander> StevenK, no, you loose for typing on loose ;-)
[15:15] <StevenK> That was a quote, not a typo
[15:15] <NCommander> Oh
[15:15] <NCommander> Then I loos
[15:15] <NCommander> Bah, whoever packaged this didn't read the Debian policy
[15:15] <StevenK> Actually, it was. You looz
[15:15] <StevenK> http://www.pvponline.com/2008/06/30/interlude-the-adventures-of-lolbat/
[15:16] <NCommander> w.r.t. to python
[15:16] <tuxmaniac> DktrKranz: can you please sponsor the upload? It will close one bug :-)
[15:16] <NCommander> Ugh
[15:16] <NCommander> So
[15:16] <NCommander> which versions of python do we support in hardy?
[15:17] <NCommander> 2.5, or 2.4-2.5?
[15:17] <laga> yay, packages.ubuntu.com is down
[15:17] <DktrKranz> tuxmaniac: I'll subscribe to it, I'll try to do it tonight. Ping me otherwise, high chances to forget about it :)
[15:18] <tuxmaniac> DktrKranz: ok. thanks a lot. :-)
[15:18] <NCommander> I didn't even know you could write python modules in ada
[15:19] <NCommander> DktrKranz, do you want me to fix this python issue? The problem is properly fixing it will likely be an invasive change to the package (not sure yet, but probably have to split it)
[15:20] <NCommander> Or I can disable python support since its broken on Hardy, and then fix it in intrepid
[15:22] <NCommander> DktrKranz, ping?
[15:30] <sebner> dholbach: around?
[15:30] <dholbach> sebner: yes
[15:31] <sebner> dholbach: what a shame. 2 bad sync requests xD though I forgot to mention that in my opinion the homepage patch for midori isn't worth keeping. what do you think?
[15:32] <dholbach> sebner: bug number?
[15:32] <sebner> dholbach: bug #236493
[15:32] <sebner> argh
[15:32] <sebner> sry
[15:32] <sebner> dholbach: bug #
[15:32] <sebner> 258627
[15:32] <sebner> bug #258627
[15:32] <jpds> Fail.
[15:32] <sebner> xD xD xD
[15:32] <sebner> jpds: overkill
[15:33] <dholbach> sebner: you could just subscribe the author of the patch from last time and ask if it's still necessary to keep it
[15:34] <sebner> dholbach: I think necessary yes but worth it!?!
[15:35] <dholbach> I don't have much of an opinion about that, I think it generally makes sense
[15:36] <sebner> dholbach: because it changes just one line. http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12087774/01-default_homepage.patch
[15:36] <Iulian> One single line can do a lot.
[15:36] <sebner> Iulian: It can but it haven't to
[15:37] <directhex> Iulian, it can even remove entropy from ssl!
[15:38] <dholbach> sebner: if you and LucidFox (I think) decide to drop it, drop it
[15:38] <dholbach> I'm going to call it a day now
[15:38] <sebner> dholbach: I'll talk to him about it. thx and sry for the noise :)
[15:38] <dholbach> have a great weekend everybody! :)
[15:38] <sebner> dholbach: you too :D
[15:41] <persia> sebner: I'm in favour of homepage patches for all the browsers.
[15:43] <sebner> persia: because? take over the world with ubuntu.com startsites? ^^
[15:44] <persia> sebner: Because the Ubuntu home page points to a number of useful Ubuntu resources.
[15:44] <persia> Also because I think it's inappropriate to have significant Debian branding in Ubuntu: Debian folk get enough bugs from Ubuntu users as it is.
[15:45] <sebner> persia: sure :) but what about uploading uqm instead of caring for homepage patches :P
[15:45] <DktrKranz> NCommander: not sure... it depends how much invasive your change is
[15:45] <NCommander> Pretty invasive :-/
[15:46] <persia> sebner: It's in the queue, there's just a backlog.  It's even near the top of things I'll upload.
[15:46] <NCommander> I need to make it build the same package twice
[15:46] <sebner> persia: good to hear =)
[15:46] <NCommander> Its probably cleaner just to turn off python support in hardy, then fix it in intrepid
[15:46] <DktrKranz> probably
[15:46] <NCommander> (python is broken in hardy anyway)
[15:49] <NCommander> I'll do that for now, and then we'll wait on the SRU team to tell us otherwise
[16:18] <stefanlsd> .
[16:44] <siretart> ScottK-laptop: I might have missed that point, but the list I asked to prioritize was specifically about features in malone, not for soyuz or launchpad in general
[16:44] <siretart> ScottK-laptop: I have a preliminary list for soyuz as well, but I already wrote kiko an email that I'm missing quite some items on that list. and it was only about half a dozen specs
[16:45] <ScottK-laptop> siretart: OK.  Speed and bad U/I are an issue in Malone.
[16:46] <ScottK-laptop> I try to know as little as possible about the internal architecture of Launchpad as possible.
[16:55] <siretart> ScottK-laptop: in general, I agree
[16:56] <ScottK-laptop> I think it's better that those two point go on all the lists rather than be allocated to some global list that may or may not exist or be passed to developers in the specific component.
[17:23]  * sistpoty|work heads home... cya
[18:04] <ScottK> NCommander: This is probably the channel to discuss the key team policy.
[18:04] <NCommander> er, yeah, I put it in the wrong window
[18:05] <NCommander> I was just pinging him so he was aware I took care of it
[18:05] <ScottK> I agree and per the process (that I still haven't written in the wiki) it's up to you to say so and anyone who disagrees to appeal to MC.
[18:05] <NCommander> Its a good thing for you the meeting was canceled :-P
[18:05]  * NCommander uses the stick of lazyness to motivate scottk to update the wiki
[18:08] <NCommander> My brain is semi fried at the moment
[18:31] <firstman> hi
[19:02] <jpds> Yay for LP karma from commits.
[19:05] <sebner> jpds: karma hunter :P
[19:06] <jpds> sebner: Aren't we all?
[19:07] <sebner> jpds: of course we are :D
[19:26] <sebner> apachelogger: ping mighty harald :P
[19:27] <apachelogger> meh
[19:27] <apachelogger> just wanted to leave
[19:27] <apachelogger> sebner: sup?
[19:28] <sebner> apachelogger: we now stick to marble-kde4 right? cause normal marble is 0.4 and I could sync 0.6 from debian
[19:29] <apachelogger> marble-kde4 should be marble really
[19:29] <apachelogger> !info marble intrepid
[19:29] <sebner> apachelogger: well 4.1 != 0.6 :P
[19:30] <apachelogger> sebner: please file a package removal bug and poke some motu to review it and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[19:30] <apachelogger> the marble source package is superseded by kdeedu
[19:30] <sebner> apachelogger: okidoki
[19:30] <apachelogger> sebner: ubuntu wiki describes what content such a bug should have
[19:31]  * apachelogger is out for tonight
[19:31] <apachelogger> cya
[19:31] <sebner> apachelogger: baba
[20:26] <emgent> hello
[21:06] <rawler> roughly when will universe be frozen for intrepid?
[21:06] <jpds> 28th.
[21:07] <ScottK-laptop> Depends on what you mean by frozen.
[21:08] <ScottK-laptop> For new packages, as jpds says.  We'll be doing bug fix uploads until probably late Sunday night or early Monday morning before the release.
[21:09] <rawler> oki.. thanks.. :)
[21:10] <rawler> any chance whatsoever to get tetzle (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=tetzle) in there?
[21:10] <ScottK-laptop> Slim.
[21:10] <rawler> oki.. :S too bad..
[21:11] <rawler> oh, well.. there's always intrepid+1..
[21:11] <rawler> or, well, not always.. it's 6 more months, but.. :)
[21:12] <ScottK-laptop> In the mean time, if you get involved in bug fixing, you'll be better known, probably do better packaging and improve your odds significantly for the next time around.
[21:14] <rawler> ScottK-laptop:  good idea.. though, to be honest, I'm quite short on time and energy these days.. work has me waaay too occupied.. I packaged tetzle mostly because it's something I use myself, and I try to avoid installing stuff outside the packages managers..
[21:15] <rawler> but, with the new harvest system, I may scour for bugs once in a while and fix what I can.. :)
[21:38] <tbielawa> hey everybody
[21:38] <tbielawa> Is anyone around that could please give me some REVU's on this upload? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=lucidlife
[22:06] <xnevermore> Is it more appropriate to use "debuild -S" or debuild -S -sa"?
[22:08] <Riddell> xnevermore: -sa is for when you need to include the .orig.tar.gz
[22:08] <Riddell> so use it the first time it gets uploaded
[22:09] <xnevermore> When would it be ok to just use "debuild -S"?
[22:09] <xnevermore> for patches, i guess?
[22:10] <bobbo> xnevermore: yep
[22:18] <xnevermore> In the case of a new upstream version package, is best to send the .diff.gz file to launchpad, or the .debdiff?
[22:18] <cody-somerville> the .diff.gz
[22:19] <xnevermore> awesome
[22:22] <Raybuntu> Hi all! Is it possible to build packages for debian with pbuilder on Ubuntu? Can I change the distribution for pbuilder?
[22:23] <Kopfgeldjaeger> yes
[22:23] <Raybuntu> how can I do this?
[22:23] <Kopfgeldjaeger> Have a look at the PbuilderHowto
[22:24] <Raybuntu> ok!
[22:24] <Kopfgeldjaeger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#Multiple%20pbuilders
[22:24] <Raybuntu> Is it possible to have more than one distribution for pbuilder at one time?
[22:24] <Kopfgeldjaeger> sure...
[22:25] <Raybuntu> Oh yeah!
[22:25] <Raybuntu> Thx Kopfgeldjaeger
[22:32] <directhex> that pbuilderrc script rules.
[22:40] <NCommander> Hola directhex
[22:41] <directhex> morning
[22:41] <NCommander> directhex, how goes your vb.net packaging?
 debian-pkg-mono: directhex-guest * r3700 /mono-basic/trunk/debian/changelog: Fix revision to correctly reflect changes in -2 version
[22:41] <NCommander> yay
[22:42] <NCommander> nxvl, your REVU account is fixed
[22:43] <NCommander> https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/ - the i386 PPA builder really isn't happy
[22:47] <nxvl> NCommander: no it's not
[22:47] <NCommander> Been screwing with my attempts to package xfce all day :-/
[22:48] <nxvl> NCommander: i'm using OpenID login, user nvalcarcel
[22:48] <NCommander> oh
[22:48] <NCommander> Now you tell me
[22:48] <NCommander> :-p!
[22:49] <nxvl> :D
[22:49]  * NCommander hits you with xfce
[22:49] <nxvl> need to go
[22:49] <nxvl> bbl
[22:49] <nxvl> read you later
[22:50] <leleobhz> NCommander: offtopic: have some logic for build machines names?
[22:51] <NCommander> Why would I know?
[22:51]  * leleobhz dunno
[22:51] <leleobhz> :]
[22:51] <NCommander> They look like element and color names
[22:51] <NCommander> yellow/gold
[22:52] <leleobhz> but what matches palmer?
[22:53]  * NCommander thought of Final Fantasy VII
[22:53]  * NCommander pokes his new launchpad badgeds
[22:54] <leleobhz> Weeee! :p
[22:54] <NCommander> http://launchpad.net/~sonicmctails
[22:54] <NCommander> What's new :-)
[22:56] <leleobhz> Tomorrow news: Sega buys launchpad :p
[22:57]  * directhex changes his name to miles "tails" prower, vows to fight against italian plumbers everywhere
[23:33] <tbielawa> Will some one please give me some REVU's on this upload? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=lucidlife I gotta run home now, but I'd appreciate it greatly