[00:03] <Absorto> yeah, that I meant. But nope, that wasn't it. :(
[00:04] <Weasel[DK]_> hmm normaly the root is an UUID as well
[00:05] <Absorto> It is. It had the UUID of the other host. I put the right one. But the kernel panic comes before that.
[00:07] <Weasel[DK]_> in the fstab file
[00:07] <Weasel[DK]_> in the fstab file /dev/sda2 like in menu.lst
[00:07] <Weasel[DK]_> argghhhh damn keyboard
[00:08] <Absorto> yep, the UUID is the same on both
[00:08] <Weasel[DK]_> i dont think the UUIDs are valid anymore
[00:09] <Absorto> update-grub!!!
[00:09] <Absorto> maybe that's the one!
[00:13] <Weasel[DK]_> it has to be -id
[00:14] <Weasel[DK]_> arrrrrrgh that keyboard again
[00:14]  * Weasel[DK]_ urgently needs sleep...
[00:15] <Absorto> sleep? caffeine!
[00:15]  * Absorto hands Weasel[DK]_ a cup of ubuntu. There!
[00:16]  * Weasel[DK]_ urgently needs sleep...,)
[00:16] <Weasel[DK]_> arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[00:17] <Weasel[DK]_> im siting on an eee pc
[00:25] <Absorto> Traitor!
[00:25] <Absorto> just kidding.
[01:04] <nxvl> lamont: around?
[01:04] <nxvl> lamont: i'm having a problem with palmer
[01:05] <nxvl> lamont: lmms is FTBFS since an issue with the buildd trying to install wine -> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16865545/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.lmms_0.3.2-1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[01:41] <lukehasnoname> Is there any program or script that more intelligently bridges networks, or is manually editing /etc/network/interfaces the only way?
[01:42] <lukehasnoname> when using KVM
[02:11] <nxvl> kirkland: around?
[02:11] <kirkland> nxvl: barely
[02:11] <nxvl> kirkland: i commented yesterday on update-motd
[02:12] <kirkland> nxvl: i just uploaded a new version
[02:12] <nxvl> kirkland: i even include something like a patch
[02:12] <nxvl> ok
[02:12] <nxvl> i will check
[02:12] <kirkland> nxvl: i copied and pasted 2345 from you :-)
[02:13] <nxvl> yep, but for some reason it didn't took the spaces
[02:13] <kirkland> nxvl: thanks for the continued review
[02:14] <kirkland> nxvl: i hate that revu doesn't send email
[02:14] <mathiaz> kirkland: should there a locking mechanism to make sure that update-motd doesn't run more than once ?
[02:14] <nxvl> yep
[02:14] <nxvl> me too
[02:14] <nxvl> BUT it now has a feed system
[02:14] <nxvl> you can suscribe yourself to the feed of your user/package/general
[02:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: i thought about that, definitely seems like a nice thing to have
[02:14] <mathiaz> kirkland: I could imagine that one of the scripts in /etc/update-motd.d/ takes longer than the cron frequency
[02:15] <kirkland> mathiaz: that would be ill-advised, but yeah, it could happen
[02:15] <kirkland> mathiaz: i can put a lock in /var/run, sure
[02:15] <kirkland> mathiaz: it won't happen tonight, though, as it's 2:15am :-)
[02:15] <mathiaz> kirkland: sure - I'll post my comments to revu
[02:16] <kirkland> mathiaz: thx
[02:16] <nxvl> kirkland: were are you?
[02:16] <kirkland> nxvl: London
[02:16] <nxvl> oh
[02:16] <nxvl> :D
[02:16] <nxvl> at canonical offices or at some familiar?
[02:16] <kirkland> one eye open
[02:16] <kirkland> hotel
[02:17] <nxvl> yeah, but i mean, did you go there for work reasons?
[02:17] <nxvl> or some other
[02:18] <kirkland> work
[02:18] <nxvl> is sprint now?
[02:19] <wo0f> hi, whats the best way to run a vnc server
[02:20] <wo0f> i want to invoke a x server every time i log in
[02:20] <wo0f> ?
[02:20] <nxvl> and why would you like to do that?
[02:21] <wo0f> i only use ubuntu as webserver
[02:21] <nxvl> kirkland: i found the reason of the warnings, preparing patch
[02:21] <wo0f> but i want to now be able to log into a remote ubuntu desktop from windows
[02:21] <kirkland> nxvl: k
[02:22] <nxvl> wo0f: putty
[02:22] <lukehasnoname> When I try to start a VM in KVM, I get an error "qemu: could not open disk image jeos2.img"
[02:22] <wo0f> nxvl: i'm using putty as we speak
[02:22] <wo0f> putty isnt graphical tho
[02:22] <lukehasnoname> I've googled, searched, ubuntuforumed, and couldn't get an answer
[02:23] <nxvl> wo0f: yep, that's the idea
[02:23] <wo0f> ...
[02:23] <wo0f> whats the idea?
[02:23] <nxvl> i still don't understand why would you want to use a graphical environment in your server
[02:23] <wo0f> lol
[02:23] <wo0f> this is not somthing you need to understand
[02:24] <wo0f> its namesake is a terminal server
[02:24] <nxvl> then that's something i don't need to answer :D
[02:24] <wo0f> lol
[02:24] <wo0f> noob
[02:24] <wo0f> if you dont know
[02:24] <wo0f> dont waist my time
[02:24] <wo0f> our time*#
[02:24] <nxvl> heh
[02:25] <nxvl> ok
[02:25] <wo0f> nxvl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_server
[02:26] <nxvl> wo0f: i know what's a terminal server
[02:26] <nxvl> but you said your server is a web server
[02:26] <wo0f> so you know it has nothing to do with putty then?
[02:27] <nxvl> wo0f: dood, if you will come and insult people don't expect help
[02:27] <nxvl> wo0f: i'm a noob, don't waste your time
[02:28] <nxvl> kirkland: i don't understand what you tried to do at line 9 in the man page
[02:28] <nxvl> kirkland: the Vb tag is raising a lintian warning
[02:29] <wo0f> .
[02:55] <lukehasnoname> !ebox
[02:55] <lukehasnoname> read that wo0f
[02:55] <lukehasnoname> When I try to start a VM in KVM, I get an error "qemu: could not open disk image jeos2.img"
[03:57] <twb> Argh!  Why are there two ldap.conf files, /etc/ldap.conf and /etc/ldap/ldap.conf ?
[03:57] <twb> And is there any reason I shouldn't replace the latter with a symlink to the former?
[04:12] <mathiaz> twb: /etc/ldap.conf is used by the nss_ldap library, while the later is used by the openldap client library
[04:13] <To1> ﻿hi guys - iptables what does the -j PAROLE option mean compared to ACCEPT ?
[04:17] <twb> mathiaz: is there any reason I shouldn't replace the latter with a symlink to the former?
[04:18] <twb> ...since only /etc/ldap.conf is managed by ldap-auth-client (i.e. debconf)
[04:19] <wantok> i think it wil break stuff
[04:19] <wantok> and if you have a server you have a 3rdd one :
[04:19] <wantok> :p
[04:20] <twb> wantok: slapd.conf has different stuff
[04:20] <twb> I've been making the symlink on my clients for ages, without apparent problems.
[04:20] <twb> I'm inclined to do the same on the server.
[04:21] <To1> anyone familiar with iptables here ? :)
[04:21] <twb> To1: yes, but not PAROLE.
[04:24] <To1> ok
[05:39] <Ken> Hey everyone
[05:40] <Derander> I am trying to set up postfix/dovecot.  They are functioning, but when I upgraded thunderbird 2 to thunderbird 3, thunderbird refuses to download messages, and gives this error: http://pastie.org/ 257801 .  I'm using IMAPS.
[05:41] <Derander> (A very similar error occurs when I attempt to send mail.)
[05:41] <wantok> so fix thunderbird :)
[05:41] <wantok> (btw, not breaking the link makes life easier on helpers)
[05:42] <Derander> bah, I was having troubles with my client breaking the message onto two lines.  sorry about that.
[05:42] <Ken> I have a dumb question... I installed ubuntu server with php, mysql, and apache2 on an old box I had laying around. I would like to be able to setup a domain now using it, can this be done easily?
[05:42] <wantok> Ken: 'set up a domain' meaning?
[05:42] <Ken> Yeah
[05:42] <Derander> wantok: when I was using thunderbird before, it would give me a message about the certificate being 'wrong', but it would still download mail.  I suspect I have a problem with my certificate, but now thunderbird is stricter.
[05:43] <Derander> ken: do you have more than one domain?
[05:43] <wantok> Derander: the message tells you what the "problem" is. the fix is to make thunderbird less strict
[05:43] <wantok> Derander: or buy a cert signed by someone ...
[05:43] <Ken> I have many that I can use, but I would like to use one for now just for testing purposes
[05:43] <Derander> wantok: alright, I'll downgrade thunderbird - there is no option in 3.
[05:43] <wantok> Ken: so what do you want to do ... setup a website?
[05:43] <Ken> indeed
[05:44] <Derander> Ken: if you want to use more than one, you'll need vhosts, but for just one, it should work out of the box.
[05:44] <Derander> Ken: oohh.. dns *palmface*
[05:44] <Ken> vhost, is this something I can setup using apt-get?
[05:44] <Derander> ken: it's built in.
[05:44] <wantok> Ken: i still dont know what you mean by domain
[05:44] <Derander> wantok: he wants to point a domain to his box
[05:45] <Ken> exactly
[05:45] <Ken> Thanks derander
[05:45] <wantok> Derander: ah.
[05:45] <Ken> test.com should point to my ubuntu box
[05:45]  * lamont has always read "set up a domain" as "point an A RR in DNS at _that_ IP", which is trivial
[05:45] <Ken> ah, sorry
[05:45] <wantok> Ken: i'd suggest goign with vhosts from the start.
[05:45] <Ken> (:
[05:45] <lamont> having done that, the next question is, so what services does said machine want to provide?
[05:45] <wantok> lamont: i have a similra though :)
[05:45] <wantok> *ar
[05:46] <Ken> Im mainly going to use it for development and having a few team members accessing it.
[05:46] <Ken> might host a wiki
[05:46] <wantok> Ken: you'll need a static IP to start with, btw
[05:46] <Derander> ken: example of virtual hosts http://pastie.org/257804 .- if you're using ubuntu you can shove them in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[05:46] <wantok> Derander: or in a new file in sites-available - thats sort of the point :)
[05:46] <lamont> Ken: so what you're saying is you want to set up a web server on the host.  Installing apache got you at least the start of one
[05:46] <Derander> wantok: yeah, but I'm lazy.
[05:47] <wantok> Derander: it'll bite you on the arse on day then :)
[05:47] <lamont> Derander: more files _IS_ the lazy way
[05:47] <Ken> Yeah, I installed apache, php and mysql just a moment ago using apt-get
[05:47] <Derander> wantok, lamont: I disagree, but I'll agree to disagree
[05:48] <lamont> Derander: remind me to never manage a machine you've configured. :-p
[05:48] <wantok> Derander: you'll be wrong :P (</bill hicks quote>)
[05:48] <Derander> I know I'm wrong, but more files = more effort FOR ME.
[05:48] <wantok> until you need to disable one vhost for testing
[05:49] <wantok> or move it to a new server (which i spent this am doing here)
[05:52]  * Derander continues muddling around with his cert
[05:52] <Derander> Hmm
[05:53] <Derander> Now the server just doesn't respond.. that is not an improvement
[05:54] <Derander> yeah, this thunderbird alpha client is not bug free! how dare it!
[05:55]  * lamont remains happy that he doesn't use the production version either
[05:55] <Derander> what do you use?
[05:55] <lamont> mostly mutt
[05:55] <Derander> ah
[05:57]  * Derander needs to add some sort of filter that drops emails with attachments > 2 mbs, this is absurd.
[05:59] <Derander> Anywho, thanks for clearing that up for me.  Goodnight
[06:34] <lukehasnoname> kirkland: props on the vm-builder script
[06:37] <arakthor> ScottK, you there?
[07:08] <mib_p9zuqssu> hey all
[07:09] <mib_p9zuqssu> can any one help with setting a maxpermsize with java - im just lost on how to even get started
[07:17] <mib_p9zuqssu> any111
[08:05] <kraut> moin
[09:05] <_ruben> hmm .. it seems possible to rename vlan interfaces using 'ip set link vlan0009 name wan0' for example .. to bad that totally confused ifup/ifdown :p
[09:10] <soren> _ruben: How so?
[09:11] <_ruben> soren: the old name (known in the interfaces file) doesnt really exist any more .. and the new name (which does exist), isnt known in interfaces file
[09:12] <soren> _ruben: That hardly counts as ifupdown being confused :)
[09:13] <_ruben> matter of semantics :)
[09:13] <soren> matter you being mean to it :)
[09:14] <_ruben> soren: it just be big boy and handle the asaults :p
[09:14] <_ruben> guess i'll just stick with vlanXXXX interface names for now
[09:14] <_ruben> the renaming is rather hackish anyways
[09:15] <_ruben> #       up /sbin/ip link set vlan0008 down
[09:15] <_ruben> #       up /sbin/ip link set vlan0008 name wan0
[09:15] <_ruben> #       up /sbin/ip link set wan0 up
[09:15] <_ruben> kills the routing table entries as well ;)
[09:15] <soren> Sure, you should change it when you create them.
[09:17] <_ruben> i wonder if adding to sections to interfaces file might do the trick .. one with the vlanX name, which just gets renamed .. and one with the new name which actually configures it
[09:17] <_ruben> s/to/two
[09:18] <_ruben> soren: do you know what's the proper way of setting up a bond0 without an ip address? its only got tagged vlans on it .. so i just add 0.0.0.1/32 to it
[09:19] <soren> _ruben: You can't just "ifconfig bond0 up"?
[09:20] <_ruben> hmm .. wonder if that'd work from within a pre-up for the vlan interface
[09:22] <soren> I think that's a logical place to put it.
[09:22] <_ruben> lets give it a try
[09:22] <_ruben> hmm .. i'd have to create the bond as well in the pre-up
[09:24] <soren> Yes.
[10:14] <RockHound> hi everyone ... I am really frustrated with cups atm ... I can not add a printer via the webinterface (have not tried another way). Once I select the ppd it just hangs once I click add. This is on 8.04.1 ... any suggestions ... log level debug does not produce any error once it hangs ...
[10:14] <RockHound> that happens even with raw printers
[10:16] <RockHound> any hint on where I could look furhter?
[10:33] <RockHound> argh ... should have googled before brain farting
[10:54] <RockHound> works flawlessly with konquorer ... firefox3 just hangs ...
[10:56] <Bryan_Sierra> I keep seeing what Google results tell me is a disk about to fail. However, when I take it of this computer and stick it in another, it runs fine.
[10:57] <Bryan_Sierra> Is there any other reason for this? (The error is ata2.01: status: { DRDY }
[10:58] <Bryan_Sierra> Drives on the same IDE channel work fine btw. And I've even put other drives in on the same cable, and it works just fine. (Only thing I haven't tried hardware wise was to move it onto another channel. But that would require massive headaches, so I would like to keep that as a last resort.)
[11:00] <RockHound> Bryan_Sierra: any smart results that look way out of bounds?
[11:00] <Bryan_Sierra> No smart results no. I had a partion out of the header range (I believe it was the header range at any rate.) but once I reformated it went away.
[11:01] <Bryan_Sierra> maybe it was cylindars. At any rate no smart results issue. I even ran the seagate diagnostics on it. Reported back as "Fine"
[11:05] <Bryan_Sierra> I assume it's a driver issue
[11:05] <Bryan_Sierra> because this was on a server, I used one of the channels for the CD, then added a HD once the install was done.
[11:10] <Bryan_Sierra> Okay, now for something that might help a lot more:The drive is a slave drive, but in fdisk; both of them are gone.
[11:12] <Bryan_Sierra> Should I go to ubuntu for this or :O?
[11:14] <RockHound> what kernel?
[11:16] <Bryan_Sierra> 2.6.24-19
[11:25] <Bryan_Sierra> so, anything I can do, other than just not use the drive :P
[11:26] <RockHound> it also sounds to me like an ata driver issue ..
[11:27] <RockHound> see if the kernel in Proposed repository helps
[11:28] <Bryan_Sierra> Well I was just thinking that since I added this drive after I installed, that maybe it just wasn't recognising it and that I could just...I dunno...re install the driver or something :z
[11:29] <Bryan_Sierra> Don't even know if that was possible. Never realy ran into this before, so yeah.
[11:32] <lee_> when i restart bind9 it gives me an error "/etc/host.conf: line 1: bad command `192.168.0.13 radius localhost"
[11:33] <lee_> need help
[11:35] <thefish> lee_: looks like you put stuff that was meant to be in /etc/hosts into host.conf
[11:35] <lee_> a okay will change it and try again
[11:37] <thefish> lee_: that 192.168.... line should go in your /etc/hosts file instead i would guess
[11:38] <thefish> your hostname is radius and ip is 192.168.0.13? if so, that line is for /etc/hosts (i would remove the localhost bit, as that should already be on the line starting 127.0.0.1)
[11:42] <lee_> i have changed it but still cant get apache 2 to work like i want it
[11:42] <thefish> lee_: your hosts.conf has very little to do with apache
[11:43] <thefish> you want to be able to go to http://hostname/ instead of http://ip.add.res.ss ?
[11:43] <lee_> no want to be able to tipe in www.zarshare.co.za on lan and not 192.168.0.13/www.zarshare.co.za
[11:44] <thefish> lee_: you want to do this from just your local lan i assume
[11:44] <thefish> ?
[11:45] <lee_> yes want 4 web pages on lan
[11:46] <thefish> ok, do you have a dns server on the lan at the moment?
[11:46] <lee_> yes but it is a pice of windows &^$%#
[11:46] <thefish> no problem, it will still work
[11:46] <thefish> you have 2 options:
[11:46] <lee_> ok
[11:46] <thefish> 1: use the windows dns server
[11:47] <lee_> 2?
[11:47] <thefish> 2: install and configure a new dns server (maybe bind) somewhere, then reconfigure all the clients to use this new dns server. Then make sure it replicates all the dns stuff needed for AD
[11:47] <thefish> i guess you use ad as well
[11:48] <thefish> if not its slightly easier
[11:49] <lee_> i am new at ubuntu would like to get server up and running as i have to install 4 servers at clients running lan webpages
[11:49] <thefish> bind > +-5 can be a part of AD dns afaik, but ive never tried it
[11:49] <thefish> ok and the clients also have windows dns servers?
[11:50] <lee_> no clients dont have server
[11:50] <thefish> i would recommend a very simple solution: add the zarshare.co.za zone to your windows dns server, then add a new host (A) record pointing www at 192.168.0.13
[11:51] <lee_> want to put down a linux server
[11:51] <thefish> ok thats fair enough, then at the clients you may want to install bind
[11:52] <thefish> remeber that they need dns for internet access as well, so your installation at their side will have to be authorative for the zone you want, as well as doing caching/forwarding for internet hosts
[11:53] <thefish> if the sites will never be accessable over the internet, then its easier again, if they will, you need to work on a dns topology
[11:54] <thefish> ie 192.168.0.16 is not an internet ip, so you may want a "split brain" dns structure: internal dns authorative server points to 192.168..., external authorative server points to 66.249.93.99 for example
[11:55] <thefish> you will need to change the client pc dns configuration as well to use your new dns server
[11:55] <lee_> will explain what we want
[11:56] <lee_> want to start a local web server on a pc accessable over the internet to host and share files for clients
[11:58] <thefish> ok
[11:58] <thefish> are you ok with how dns works?
[11:58] <lee_> am new with linux
[11:59] <thefish> ok
[11:59] <lee_> i got apache 2 working after 4 days of reading
[11:59] <thefish> :)
[11:59] <thefish> well done
[11:59] <lee_> :)
[11:59] <thefish> ok, this is a very doable project, but i think you may want to read up on a few things first
[12:00] <lee_> please give list
[12:00] <thefish> dns
[12:00] <thefish> public and private ip addresses
[12:00] <thefish> the basics:
[12:01] <thefish> you will need to provide dns services to both internal and external clients
[12:01] <lee_> ok
[12:01] <thefish> one set will access the server with a private ip address, one set with a public
[12:01] <thefish> there are a few ways around this
[12:01] <thefish> one is "split brain" dns
[12:02] <thefish> you could also set up a dmz, and have the web server in that with the same ip for public and private (needs a bit of routing setup)
[12:02] <thefish> you havent considered hosting the stuff externally?
[12:02] <lee_> not in South Africa
[12:02] <thefish> :D
[12:03] <thefish> i hear ya
[12:03] <lee_> u in sa
[12:03] <thefish> used to be ;)
[12:04] <thefish> still deal with one or two servers there though
[12:04] <lee_> were u now
[12:04] <thefish> uk, with all the other saffers :D
[12:04] <lee_> u mean furs and lids
[12:05] <thefish> ?
[12:05] <lee_> saffers soulerds
[12:05] <lee_> flat noses and blue gums
[12:06] <thefish> still dont get it :/
[12:06] <thefish> remeber with your setup that you also have the unbelievable reliability of telkom if you host on the back on a local office connection
[12:06] <lee_> rolf
[12:07] <thefish> thats not to mention the daily power cuts
[12:07] <lee_> no power cuts here the head of eskom lives two houses away
[12:07] <lee_> flat noses = saffers
[12:08] <lee_> blue gums = the ligher dark half of the population
[12:09] <thefish> ah
[12:10] <thefish> useful to have the eskom matey close by
[12:10] <lee_> ye
[12:10] <lee_> got one power cut for round about 15 min
[12:10] <thefish> fair enough
[12:11] <thefish> if i was there id open a UPS and generator shop
[12:12] <lee_> to late like all cape town business men u can buy a ups or generator at any cafe
[12:13] <thefish> hahaha
[12:13] <lee_> so how is work that side
[12:13] <thefish> not bad
[12:13] <lee_> cool
[12:14] <lee_> and the weather
[12:14] <thefish> dont ask
[12:22] <nxvl> good morning
[12:25] <thefish> hi nxvl
[12:42] <zul> morning
[12:50] <nxvl> zul: morning
[12:53] <nxvl> kirkland: commented @ update-motd
[12:53] <nxvl> kirkland: i still can't try the debconf thing, i think it may be for some component missing
[12:53] <nxvl> but anyway i'm not a debconf expert
[12:54] <kirkland> nxvl: hmm
[12:54] <kirkland> nxvl: perhaps it's that the translations haven't been performed yet?
[12:55] <nxvl> nop, english system
[12:55] <nxvl> try it using a chrrot
[12:55] <nxvl> chroot*
[12:56] <nxvl> i'm trying it from a pbuilder one
[12:57] <nxvl> kirkland: it should me something missing, like ncurses, or something
[12:57] <nxvl> what it's odd is that it doesn't show me any warning or error message
[12:59] <serwou> hi
[13:13] <serwou> Anyone got a problem, got 2 hours to waste at work ;)
[13:16] <_ruben> serwou: yeah .. not enough money in my bank account, can you fix that for me?
[13:34] <serwou> aptitude install money ? ;)
[13:35] <serwou> you should open a new bug
[13:35] <serwou> I can confirm it also _ruben ;)
[13:37] <bogey-> serwou: its "sudo apt-get install money $$ echo "teh lulz""
[13:37] <bogey-> $$ = &&
[13:37] <serwou> ;)
[13:48] <pschulz01> Evening all.
[13:48] <pschulz01> apt-cache search money..
[14:18]  * delcoyote hi
[14:19] <nxvl> hi
[14:24] <serwou> hello
[14:47] <zul> are we doing any for ubuntu dev week thingy?
[14:47] <nxvl> zul: as in?
[14:48] <zul> like a session
[14:48] <nxvl> zul: i think mathiaz is the right person to ask
[14:48] <nxvl> zul: he always run the server sessions
[14:48] <nxvl> i will run a session if get the answer i'm waiting for and start in my new job that week
[14:49] <nxvl> in my current job i can't
[14:49] <nxvl> :(
[14:49] <nxvl> :(
[15:09] <mathiaz> zul: are you working on mysql FTBS ?
[15:11] <mathiaz> Koon: do you have your tomcat6 source package somewhere ?
[15:11] <mathiaz> Koon: your .diff.gz ?
[15:11] <mathiaz> Koon: applying your interdiff makes my head hurt
[15:11] <zul> mathiaz: yep the libtool mess?
[15:11] <serwou> well, gtg, CU
[15:12] <serwou> exit
[15:12] <serwou> damned
[15:12] <Koon> mathiaz: I will post it on the bug, only 14k
[15:12] <mathiaz> zul: yeah - I uploaded kirkland patch for mailx suggest yesterday and it FTBS
[15:13] <zul> mathiaz: lemme guess its complaining about tags and CXX right?
[15:13] <kirkland> mathiaz: i saw that...  i don't see how that patch would have broke the build
[15:13] <zul> kirkland: its because of libtool
[15:13] <mathiaz> zul: yop
[15:14] <mathiaz> kirkland: right - it's not your patch - it's the new libtool
[15:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: gotcha, i figured it had to be a problem with the build system
[15:15] <mathiaz> We'll be flooded with FTBS once infinity will do a complete archive rebuild
[15:15] <zul> hence why I said libtool die eariler ;)
[15:15] <mathiaz> Koon: great - that will be very helpful
[15:15] <soren> if anyone wants a moment of fame (and a big hug), a patch for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lilo/+bug/260059 would be a good way.. *nudge* *nudge*
[15:16] <Koon> mathiaz: done. Anything wrong with my full interdiff, or they just suck in general ?
[15:16] <zul> mathiaz: there is an updated mysql in debian that has a couple of security fixes that I think we should have as well
[15:16] <mathiaz> Koon: they just suck in general
[15:16] <mathiaz> zul: well - I saw a post from the debian maintainer that he package the latest version from Mysql 5.0.67 IIRC
[15:17] <zul> oh really?
[15:17] <mathiaz> zul: but it won't be uploaded to debian since the archive is frozen
[15:17] <zul> mathiaz: yeap
[15:17] <mathiaz> zul: so I was wondering if we should take his package instead
[15:17] <zul> mathiaz: does it build?
[15:18] <mathiaz> zul: I don't know - I've just seen norbert's blog post about it
[15:19] <zul> mathiaz: ok
[15:19] <mathiaz> zul: http://tretkowski.de/blog/archives/418-MySQL-5.0.67-not-uploaded-to-Debian.html
[15:20] <zul> soren: if you get me patch today and upload for inrepid and do an SRU today (when I get a breather) ;)
[15:21] <zul> mathiaz: lemme see about that one
[15:22] <soren> zul: Er... What? -ENOTENOUGHPUNCTUATIONANDPRONOUNS
[15:22] <zul> soren: sorry lilo
[15:23] <soren> zul: Yes, I understood that much :)
[15:23] <zul> soren: if you get me a patch I can do it then
[15:24] <soren> zul: Heh :) What I want is for someone to write the patch :)
[15:24] <zul> soren: meh...
[15:24] <zul> use grub ;)
[15:24]  * soren kicks zul
[15:24] <zul> teehee
[15:25] <zul> mathiaz: 5.0.67 builds fine
[15:28] <mathiaz> zul: Ok go !
[15:35] <zul> kirkland: update-motd?
[15:35] <kirkland> zul: yeah, please
[15:35] <zul> kirkland: had a look at my notes?
[15:35]  * kirkland grumbles about revu not sending email....
[15:35] <kirkland> zul: lemme do that
[15:36] <ScottK> kirkland: There's a mailing list that sends all the comments.
[15:36] <kirkland> ScottK: interesting....
[15:38] <kirkland> zul: okay, copyright fixed
[15:38] <zul> kirkland: cool...i wasnt sure about that though
[15:38] <kirkland> zul: added changelog to docs, but didn't think it was necessary, because my rules does         dh_installchangelogs ChangeLog
[15:38] <zul> ok
[15:39] <kirkland> zul: actually, i don't think it should be in both places
[15:40] <kirkland> zul: also, i think we should keep the init script; it makes turning this on/off and getting status easier
[15:41] <zul> its kind of overkill dont you think?
[15:42] <kirkland> zul: no
[15:42] <zul> ok
[15:42] <kirkland> zul: how would a user temporarily disable update-motd?
[15:42] <mathiaz> Koon: tomcat6 uploaded
[15:42] <Koon> yoohoo
[15:43] <zul> kirkland: run dpkg-reconfigure maybe?
[15:43] <kirkland> zul: and you think that would be better than "service update-motd stop" ?
[15:44] <zul> kirkland: yeah you are installing one less file and the init script seems a little odd for me for a cron job basically
[15:46] <kirkland> zul: the other thing is that the init script makes it possible to turn on/off non-interactively
[15:46] <kirkland> zul: in case you had a script where you wanted to disable/enable it
[15:46] <kirkland> zul: dpkg-reconfigure would have to ask you interactive questions
[15:47] <zul> kirkland: gotcha I trust your judgement though, call me old school I guess ;)
[15:47] <kirkland> zul: i suppose i could remove it, if it really really really grossly offends you.... but i think it's nice to have
[15:48] <zul> kirkland: it doesnt offend me at all it just seems odd to me but if you think users would want it then that would be fine with me
[15:49] <kirkland> zul: i do.
[15:49] <zul> kirkland: cool beans then
[16:03] <kirkland> zul: what do I need to do next?
[16:04] <zul> kirkland: I believe you get two acks by MOTUs and then get it uploaded to universe
[16:05] <zul> ill ack right now
[16:05] <kirkland> zul: cool.
[16:05] <kirkland> mathiaz: kees: soren: could one of you do the other ack for update-motd, if I've sufficiently addressed your concerns?
[16:06] <zul> Koon: tomcat6 MIR stuff is next on my list after I get mysql done
[16:08] <Koon> zul: i'll subscribe ubuntu-mir before I go for the weekend... just unsubscribe them if there is an obvious showstopper
[16:08] <zul> Koon: ok
[17:00] <bogey-> When using apt-get remove squid squid-common I am having a problem of squid NOT install the files I manually deleted. How do I force this?
[17:01] <jmedina> bogey-: remove removes files donesnt nstalls them
[17:03] <jmedina> or you mean: after removing config files manally, removing packages with apt-get remove and reinstalling, config files are not installed?
[17:03] <bogey-> jmedina: I meant that i removed them and deleted some files, then I tried to apt-get install squid and they dont replace the files
[17:18] <jmedina> bogey-: I already got in to those problems, never knew how to solve it
[17:18] <jmedina> what I did is copy squid and squid-common from /var/cache/apt/archives
[17:19] <jmedina> extrac the .deb with ar and then copy the files to /etc/squid/
[17:19] <arakthor> does using apt-get --purge remove pkgx pkgy     followed by apt-get install pkgx pkgy   work?
[17:21] <jmedina> arakthor: not afaik, because there is nothing to purge, they were alredy manually deleted
[17:25] <arakthor> man the ubuntu is pretty slow
[17:25] <arakthor> or is it just me?
[17:27] <jmedina> "the ubuntu" ?
[17:27] <arakthor> packages.ubuntu
[17:27] <jmedina> same here
[17:27] <jmedina> slooooowwwwww.....
[17:30] <arakthor> heh, just timed out for me now
[19:11] <kraut> hi
[19:11] <kraut> how do i get access with knoppix to a softraid?
[19:12] <kraut> is mdadm --assemble /dev/md2 /dev/sda3 /dev/sdb3 incorrect?
[19:21] <ju_> hi
[19:22] <ju_> I'm nearly killing me fixing some postfix problem here
[19:22] <ju_> is here some postfix geek?
[19:23] <ju__> hi
[19:27] <dts> does anyone know when tomcat6 will come out?
[19:27] <dts> * will become part of main
[19:31] <zul> dts: soon
[19:34] <leonel> ScottK: Working now  on clamav-daemon  MIR
[19:35] <kees> are fresh hardy installs missing /etc/inittab?
[19:36] <zul> kees: uuuuuuuuuuuh.....they shouldnt
[19:36] <dts> what's the best way to install tomcat6 now?
[19:37] <kees> zul: no package seems to provide it...
[19:37] <zul> nm I dont have it in my chroot either
[19:38] <zul> dts: from the archive its still in universe
[19:38] <kees> anyway, lack of inittab surprised some random script of mine while it was looking for the default runlevel.  :P
[19:38]  * kees worked around it
[19:39] <dts> zul what do you mean?
[19:39] <zul> dts: apt-get install tomcat6
[19:39] <dts> zul: could not find package
[19:40] <zul> dts: enable universe in your /etc/apt/sources.lists apt-get update and apt-get install tomcat6
[19:43] <dts> http://pastebin.ca/1181818
[19:43] <dts> (sorry this is my first time doing it on the -server eddition with commandline)
[19:44] <docta_v> any syslog-ng guys in here?
[19:44] <docta_v> i want to suppress a particular message from snmpd
[19:45] <docta_v> getting all these "truncated 32 bit integer" crap
[19:45] <docta_v> which supposedly is getting fixed in a newer package... but i backported the 8.04 snmpd to 7.04 and still getting the error so i just want to filter it out
[19:58] <dts> zul the pastebin shows that my universe is enabled, correct? how come i can't find the tomcat6 package?
[19:59] <zul> apt-cache search tomcat
[19:59] <zul> it should be there check the forums
[20:00] <dts> i only see tomcat5.5
[20:01] <zul> should be there check wiki.ubuntu.com
[20:24] <ScottK> leonel: MIR are by source package, so clamav is what we need done.
[20:39] <leonel> ScottK: ok and that must be done working in intrepid  right ?
[20:39] <ScottK> It should be based on the Intrepid packaging.
[20:39] <ScottK> You don't need to be running Intrepid to write the MIR.
[22:04] <nxvl> kirkland: uploading update-motd