[00:00] <dpick> ah thanks
[00:02] <dpick> can i just remove the wine directory?
[00:02] <zoredache> probably... you could start by renaming or moving it somewhere else if you are worried
[00:02] <dpick> alright, thanks
[00:04] <dpick> that did it, thanks all
[00:38] <jwishnie> Hi folks. Seeing a problem with the desktop. I have a script that automounts a remote Samba share on user login. The folder is mounted properly in the user's desktop, but the folder icon does not show up. Thunar sees the folder, and from command line I can list it, edit files etc... But somehow the XFC4 desktop doesn't see it
[00:38] <jwishnie> Any idea how to force the desktop to refresh?
[00:39] <jwishnie> More info: manually killing XFDESKTOP process and restarting it solves the problem. But obviously this is not a good solution!
[00:40] <zoredache> what happens if you send xfdesktop a '-HUP' signal instead of killing it?
[00:40] <jwishnie> zoredache: am about to try the. Need to reboot to reproduce case where folder is not showing
[00:41] <zoredache> looking at 'man xfdesktop'  The '-reload' option may be what you want...
[00:41] <jwishnie> zoredache: but in general the desktop recognizes changes to the ~/Desktop folder without HUPing or reloading
[00:41] <zoredache> jwishnie: couldn't you just unmount it, and try the HUP?
[00:41] <jwishnie> zoredache: any idea why it might be failing here? this is new since Hardy, was fine under Feisty.
[00:42] <jwishnie> zoredache: unmounting and remounting sometimes (but not predictably) solves the problem, so am rebooting for more valid test
[00:42] <jwishnie> zoredache: will try HUP and reload
[00:42] <zoredache> I don't know anything about it.  I kinda think the desktop is silly.  I never look at it
[00:42] <zoredache> I don't really care if an icon shows up or not as long as the filesystem I want is mounted and I can browse to it in thunar
[00:42] <jwishnie> zoredache: :-) well, this system is for basic  users who like that sort of thing
[00:43] <jwishnie> Anyone know how xfdesktop monitors the Desktop folder? FAM or something similar?
[00:43] <jwishnie> zoredache: xfdesktop --reload seems to force the redraw. It's a hack, but I'll add it to my mounter!
[00:44] <jwishnie> zoredache: thank you for the pointer!
[01:11] <bigape> Is it legal to put Ubuntu on a PS3?
[01:13] <favro> bigape: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PlayStation_3
[01:13] <bigape> Thanks.
[01:13] <zoredache> why would it be illegal?  You own the hardware.  Do what you want with it.
[01:18] <Ben_Cs> hello. is it possible installing fluxbuntu on a U3 usb stick, without removing the U3 app?
[03:31] <Insane1> Hello, I was wondering if anyone else had trouble with the about:config in the Epiphany browser. I tried turning the spell check on, but I can't change any values at all. If I try, the browser does nothing, but will not turn off unless forced to.
[04:10] <Acaceol> I'm running Xubuntu on an IBM Thinkpad 600E, and it's very slow. Moving my mouse can take up to 100% of my CPU, and scrolling down on Firefox is choppy. Is this normal?
[04:37] <leche> Acaceol: what are the specs of this laptop?
[04:38] <Acaceol> Uh, a pentium II processor?
[04:39] <leche> hmm
[04:39] <leche> how much memory?
[04:39] <Acaceol> 64 MB
[04:39] <Acaceol> Also, the hardware thing stalls when I'm booting
[04:39] <leche> thats definitely too low
[04:40] <Acaceol> Well the mem thing on the CPU bar never really changes
[04:40] <Acaceol> There's like CPU, mem, and something else.
[04:41] <Acaceol> Loading hardware drivers. That fails.
[04:42] <leche> on this hardware i would suggest a really minimalistic setup
[04:42] <leche> even xubuntu will be too much i think
[04:42] <Acaceol> What else is there? :/
[04:43] <Acaceol> Apparently it's designed for 98.
[04:43] <leche> take an command line system and install fluxbox or openbox or something
[04:44] <leche> or try out puppy linux, or damn small linux
[04:44] <leche> i think xubuntu is too much for that machine
[04:44] <Acaceol> If I got it to 256 MB of memory, would it run fine?
[04:45] <leche> yes, then you can try xubuntu
[04:45] <leche> but with 64mb...
[04:46] <leche> i installed xubuntu on a machine with 3 320 ram and 400mhz... that worked well
[04:46] <Acaceol> That's much better than what I have here. :/
[04:47] <leche> but 350 mhz and 256 will do i think
[04:48] <Acaceol> That's odd... apparently it does have 256 MBs of mem
[04:48] <leche> huh?
[04:49] <leche> free -m and cat /proc/cpuinfo please
[04:50] <Acaceol> Total is 281, used 95, free 185
[04:50] <Acaceol> I'm running in just a terminal though
[04:50] <Acaceol> 300 MHz
[04:50] <leche> hmm
[04:51] <leche> what are the uptime values?
[04:51] <Acaceol> How long it's been up?
[04:52] <Acaceol> I just started it about a minute ago. :/
[04:52] <leche> no, it shows the load also
[04:52] <Acaceol> How do I get them?
[04:53] <Acaceol> 8 minutes, load average is 3.8,1.54,0.73
[04:53] <leche> "uptime"
[04:53] <leche> ah kk
[04:53] <leche> so you see your cpu is the thin bottleneck ;-)
[04:53] <leche> (sry if this isnt the correct word)
[04:53] <leche> ^^
[04:54] <Acaceol> Heh, I wouldn't know. :p
[04:54] <Acaceol> Oh, wow
[04:54] <Acaceol> When I run it in Xfce
[04:54] <Acaceol> It only has 32 mb of free mem
[04:54] <Acaceol> And it's using none of my swap...
[04:54] <leche> cached or really free?
[04:55] <Acaceol> free
[04:55] <Acaceol> 110 cached
[04:55] <leche> yeah, so cached isnt really used
[04:56] <Acaceol> And the swap isn't used at all
[04:56] <leche> theres no empty memory in linux
[04:58] <Acaceol> Why isn't it using the swap though?
[05:00] <leche> cause it has 110 "free"?
[05:01] <Acaceol> So it doesn't go into the swap unless it absolutely has to?
[05:01] <leche> think so, yes
[05:01] <leche> swap is slower than real memory
[05:04] <Acaceol> Yeah, I just opened up like eight of everything I have, it's in swap now.
[05:05] <Acaceol> I think I saw somewhere that my CPU was running at an unsupported speed
[05:05] <Acaceol> I can't remember where I saw that, though
[05:05] <Acaceol> Any way to check?
[05:05] <leche> you want to overclock?
[05:06] <Acaceol> Or, er, underclock
[05:06] <Acaceol> Whatever makes it work
[05:06] <leche> that isnt that trivial..
[05:09] <Acaceol> I can't really figure out how to change anything
[05:09] <Acaceol> When I get into BIOS, most things can only be checked if they're working
[05:10] <Acaceol> On a sidenote, sound doesn't work because it "might corrupt my serial eeprom". Any way to play sounds on IBM laptops?
[05:14] <leche> hmkm
[05:14] <leche> got no problem with it
[05:14] <Acaceol> Are you on an IBM laptop? :/
[05:14] <Acaceol> It says it's because it's an IBM system
[05:14] <leche> i got an x24, yes
[05:14] <Acaceol> Huh, that's odd
[05:18] <Acaceol> piix4_smbus
[05:18] <Acaceol> Refuses to load
[05:18] <leche> module?
[05:18] <Acaceol> Er, yeah
[05:18] <leche> any error messages?
[05:19] <Acaceol> IBM system detected, this may corrupt your serial eeprom, refusing to load module
[05:19] <Acaceol> Not really
[05:19] <leche> maybe google this
[05:19] <Acaceol> Then /sbin/modprobe has an abnormal exit
[05:21] <Acaceol> Should I try the "alternate CD"?
[06:27] <insanecatnip> hello
[06:28] <zoredache_> hello
[06:28] <insanecatnip> i have a question about gwtting rid of windows after using wubi
[07:02] <mespejel> hi
[07:03] <zoredache> hello
[07:17] <mespejel> anyone trying xubuntu on a mac?
[16:05] <generalsnus> Hi, i need some video files uploaded to a webserver, so that our students can watch them home. Our camera is a harddisk cam, wich records in the MPEG2 format, i need to convert this to a reasonable format, without having the students to download additional codecs. I understand that .VMW (windows media) is a good allrounder.. but what else could i use, that dosent require downloading codecs?  id prefer if if this could be converted on linux a
[16:05] <generalsnus> swell.
[16:05] <gaurdro> .avi should do the trick.
[16:05] <gaurdro> or leave it in mpeg
[16:06] <generalsnus> .avi  isnt that divx/xvid codec?
[16:14] <TheSheep> .avi is just a container format, it can contain video or audio streams encoded with any codecs
[16:15] <TheSheep> actually most video "formats" are like that
[16:15] <TheSheep> there is no video encoding that you could play without having a codec for it
[16:15] <steven_> .avi is a good all around
[16:15] <TheSheep> steven_: .avi is not a codec
[16:16] <steven_> yeah i know
[16:16] <steven_> it's a format
[16:25] <Iskr> oh hi there skep
[17:29] <whileimhere> hi. I am using XUbuntu 7.10 (because 8.04 doesnt like my USB CD drive) and each time I re-boot it asks for my keyring password. Why does it not remember it?
[17:41] <cody-somerville> whileimhere, You need to install something
[17:41] <cody-somerville> uno momento
[17:42] <cody-somerville> whileimhere, Install the libpam-gnome-keyring package and it'll remember :-]
[18:26] <Lucenut> Hey guys! I installed Xubuntu on an old HP Pavilion laptop. The NIC card is busted, I've always just used a linksys USB wifi adaptor.
[18:26] <Lucenut> Anyone want to help? I'll paypal you some happy hour dough!
[18:31] <cody-somerville> lol
[18:31] <cody-somerville> Is it not working or something?
[18:32] <Lucenut> Yep.
[18:33] <Lucenut> I just installed Xubuntu and the NIC doesn't work on this thing.
[18:33] <Lucenut> I looked in the hardware drivers app and there's nothing at all.
[18:33] <Lucenut> Unplugging/plugging in the USB does nothing...
[18:33] <Lucenut> I understand there's no linux driver for it...
[18:33] <Lucenut> Someone told me to: Lucenut, either go to System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers, if it does not find a driver, grab the XP driver and install it with ndiswrapper
[18:34] <Lucenut> But I have no idea what that means.
[18:42] <The-Kernel> hey, what's the command to check what's using the sound card?
[18:57] <Zirrush> whats up ppl
[18:57] <cody-somerville> Not too much
[18:57] <cody-somerville> Yourself? :-]
[18:57] <Zirrush> nm, taking a little break from some house work
[18:57] <cody-somerville> Lucenut, hey
[18:57] <Lucenut> Hey Cody.
[18:58] <Lucenut> I tried plugging in the NIC but it won't connect.
[18:58] <cody-somerville> Lucenut, can you pastebin sudo lsusb -v after plugging it in? as well as the output of "dmesg | tail"
[18:59] <Zirrush> usb wireless?
[18:59]  * cody-somerville nods.
[19:00] <Lucenut> Yeah, Lynksis USB wifi adaptor.
[19:00] <Lucenut> Says sudo: lusb: command not found
[19:00] <Zirrush> lsusb
[19:01] <Lucenut> Crap.
[19:01] <Zirrush> think of it as "list usb"
[19:02] <Lucenut> Well, I can't pastebin it. No network connectivity.
[19:02] <Lucenut> Wait, this is with the NIC plugged in not the USB.
[19:03] <Zirrush> i've never dealed with a usb nic before... does fwcutter and/or ndiswrapper work with em?
[19:04] <Lucenut> Well, I have a whole page of stuff.
[19:04] <Lucenut> But I can't paste it anywhere without network.
[19:04] <Zirrush> no wired nics or anything to get that box online with?
[19:04] <Lucenut> Nope.
[19:05] <Lucenut> I think the NIC's been broken a few years.
[19:05] <Lucenut> I've always just used the USB wifi.
[19:06] <Lucenut> It's a nice old HP laptop. Only 256MB I think 800MHz...
[19:07] <Lucenut> It struggles with XP so I thought I'd give this a shot.
[19:07] <Lucenut> But I know nothing about drivers and stuff.
[19:07] <Zirrush> i'm reading up on some stuff to see if i can find anything for you
[19:08] <Lucenut> Someone in the Ubuntu channel said "Lucenut, either go to System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers, if it does not find a driver, grab the XP driver and install it with ndiswrapper"
[19:08] <Lucenut> But I have no idea what that means.
[19:08] <Zirrush> I think ndiswrapper might work with it... ubuntu uses fwcutter by default.  fwcutter never has gotten along with my linksys card too easily though, so i've always used ndiswrapper when i need wireless
[19:09] <Lucenut> But from a windows user standpoint, what does that mean?
[19:09] <Lucenut> I have a CD with the lynksis driver on it.
[19:09] <Lucenut> For XP.
[19:09] <Zirrush> fwcutter and ndiswrapper are wrappers used to let the windows drivers function with the card in linux
[19:10] <Lucenut> K.
[19:10] <Zirrush> great, was gonna say the first thing you need to do is find out what driver your card uses and get ahold of it
[19:10] <Lucenut> But would I need to download that?
[19:11] <Zirrush> yeah, lemme see if there's a deb package in the repositories of ndiswrapper
[19:12] <Zirrush> I just compile the latest version, but I'm not sure your ubuntu cd actually has all the packages you need to compile stuff on it
[19:12] <Lucenut> I installed WUBI
[19:17] <Zirrush> never messed with WUBI ...  there is a deb package of ndiswrapper on the repository, its version 1.50 ... latest is 1.53 if you opt to compile it yourself
[19:19] <Zirrush> taking forever to load the site, but... http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i386/ndiswrapper-utils-1.9/download and http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i386/ndiswrapper-common/download
[19:20] <Zirrush> if you want to try snagging the debs and moving em over to that box somehow... might want to pop in your ubuntu cd and see if those packages are on it also
[19:22] <Lucenut> Sec
[19:24] <Zirrush> no prob man, just spitting it out so you have a little info if you need it : )
[19:49] <Zirrush> anyone ever run into xfrun4 freezing up and eating cpu?  seams like a common thing on my box for some reason
[19:50]  * Hondo_Kitsune is away: Gone away for now.
[21:07] <vktor> hola
[21:08] <vktor> hello?
[21:08] <cody-somerville> Hello
[21:10] <vktor> alguien habla español?
[21:30] <TheSheep> !es
[22:51] <unix_lappy> hey, i want to install xfce on ubuntu server but not the entire desktop
[22:52] <unix_lappy> i installed the default ubuntu-server setup and then went a head and did sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg xfce4
[22:52] <unix_lappy> but i get xorg errors...
[22:52] <unix_lappy> i also did the requisite dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[22:53] <unix_lappy> any ideas?
[22:55] <unix_lappy> i guess not.
[23:42] <totalwormage> hm