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pgquilesRiddell: ping00:41
Riddellhi pgquiles00:44
pgquilesRiddell: hi. Is it already too late to sync witty ( http://packages.debian.org/unstable/witty ) with Debian? (an updated version just got in)00:46
Riddellnope00:47
Riddellah, it's the Wt stuff00:48
pgquilesyes00:48
Riddellpgquiles: have you checked it compiles and runs on ubuntu?00:48
pgquilesRiddell: yes. In fact, it's always available for Ubuntu from my PPA before being available for Debian :-)00:48
Riddellpgquiles: what's your launchpad username?00:49
pgquilesRiddell: pgquiles :-)00:49
pgquilesRiddell: http://launchpad.net/~pgquiles/+archive00:49
* Riddell guesses pgquiles00:50
Riddellpgquiles: synced00:52
pgquilesRiddell: thanks!00:52
Riddellwelcome back splitters :)00:55
Riddellpgquiles: synced incase you missed that00:55
pgquilesRiddell: I got it, thanks. IRC splits are funny to watch :-)00:57
Riddellwho's still awake?02:09
Riddelltesters needed for http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/install-package_0.1_all.deb02:09
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Meeting Wednesday 27th 23:00UTC
echidnamanwow02:17
* echidnaman sees he was pinging out all the time he was away02:17
=== echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna
RiddellJontheEchidna!02:17
JontheEchidnait crashes?02:17
RiddellJontheEchidna: fancy testing http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/install-package_0.1_all.deb ?02:17
* JontheEchidna didn't notice that jockey crashed when he tested02:18
JontheEchidnabut ya I can test that too02:19
JontheEchidnaRiddell: we might want to steal the launch-kdesudo code from gdebi for software-properties and install-package02:21
Riddellwell, it's a command line only app02:21
JontheEchidnaRiddell: well it currently says to launch with kdesudo if you don't use sudo or kdesudo :P02:22
RiddellJontheEchidna: right, so jockey or whatever should use kdesudo02:22
JontheEchidnayeah I've been meaning to give jockey and software-properties gdebi's code...02:23
RiddellJontheEchidna: code for what?02:23
JontheEchidnafor re-launching with kdesudo if not run with sudo in the first place02:23
Riddellright02:24
RiddellJontheEchidna: anyway, how's install-package working for you?02:24
JontheEchidnaIt's downloading file 0 of 102:24
JontheEchidna(amarok-kde4)02:24
Riddellgood package choice :)02:25
JontheEchidnaand the details list is empty02:25
Riddellit only shows stuff during install02:25
JontheEchidnaoh, any idea how to make it stop saying my computer needs a reboot? :P02:26
Riddellreboot?02:26
JontheEchidnaearlier when I was testing update-manager02:26
JontheEchidnayou gave me a command to test the need-reboot functionality02:26
Riddellrm /var/run/reboot-required02:27
JontheEchidnaoh, duh02:27
JontheEchidnaamarok-kde4 successfully installed02:29
JontheEchidnaeverything looked great aside from the "downloading package 0 out of 1" bug02:29
Riddellhmm, that comes from python-apt02:30
Riddellso not my fault, uploading :)02:30
JontheEchidna;-)02:30
JontheEchidnaso should that be a drop-in replacement for adept-batch?02:31
Riddellnot quite, the command syntax is a bit different02:31
Riddellports of jockey and language-selector welcome02:31
* JontheEchidna needs to investigate the jockey crash02:31
JontheEchidnaSo is the week before feature freeze always like this? :P02:32
JontheEchidnadear jesus...02:34
JontheEchidnaoookay... jockey-backed is ****-ed up02:34
* JontheEchidna didn't touch it02:34
JontheEchidnaseems to be throwing a hissy fit with dbus02:35
* Riddell still needs to implement dist upgrade wizard into adept02:35
JontheEchidnaRiddell: did you get anything like this when testing jockey? http://paste.ubuntu.com/39814/02:36
Riddellnope02:39
Riddelllooks like a whole new crash02:39
* JontheEchidna purges his jockey install and reinstalls the most recent official release02:40
JontheEchidnacrap, happens with jockey from the repos02:41
JontheEchidnameaning it's a problem with my setup :(02:41
JontheEchidnathis sucks02:45
seelewhoa.. Riddell is still up?02:48
Riddellnobody to tell me to go to bed tonight :)02:49
seelehehe02:49
seelewho wants to sleep alone when they can spend time with their IRC friends!02:50
Riddellexactly02:50
seelei'm finding some interesting stuff in the data you gave me02:52
seelei havent scrubbed the data for outliers yet or anything, but i did run some basic numbers on x and y resolutions02:53
seele54% of the respondents reported runnign 1024 as their X res02:53
seeleoh wait wait, wrong number02:53
seele54% are running between 1024-128002:54
seeleBUT02:54
seele60% are running y res between 768 and 102402:54
seele54% are running at 76802:54
seeleso it's possible the values you pulled for laptop/desktop are valid afterall.. even though they seemed a bit high for laptop when you pasted the preview data02:55
Riddell1024x768 is pretty well the norm for low to medium end computers02:55
seeleright.. but there is a lot of 1280x768 going on too02:55
seelewhich is more common in laptops than monitors02:56
seeledell sells widescreen monitors, but i think most of them are larger than 1280x102402:56
seelethe interesting part (for me at least) is that this tells use we have very limited vertical real estate to work with02:57
seelescreens are getting wider, not taller02:57
Riddellwidescreen gets sales, resultion less so02:58
seeleit looked like there were probably a few tablets submitted too because the resolutions reported were x < y02:59
* claydoh is doing the kde4 fanboi thing on kubuntuforums03:00
claydohis the msttcorefonts *not* part of kubuntu-restricted-extras?03:00
Riddellclaydoh: doesn't seem to be03:00
Hobbseeclaydoh: it's not so far.03:00
claydohwas there a reason maybe?03:00
Hobbseehm, i didn't thikn it was in any of them.  obviously not03:01
claydohI saw a discussion in the ml archives03:01
claydohu-r-s does depend on msttcorefonts03:02
claydohafaik03:02
Riddellpatches welcome then :)03:02
Riddellalthough liberty fonts might mean there's no need any more03:03
Hobbseefixed.03:03
Hobbseethere was already a patch03:03
claydohheh someone already has03:03
claydohhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-restricted-extras/+bug/23109403:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 231094 in ubuntu-restricted-extras "Please add msttcorefonts to kubuntu-restricted-extras" [Undecided,Fix released]03:03
* Hobbsee doesn't see why ttf-liberation does not suffice, though.03:04
Hobbseeclaydoh: the general reason as to why it wasn't (although i'm not sure how they got in for the other bits) was because i didn't see the point of having a package that effectively depends on everything in multiverse, with it's varying degrees of usefulness.03:06
Hobbseeand, y'know, fonts aren't generally extra functionality, per se.03:06
JontheEchidnaholy crap, jockey works now03:08
* JontheEchidna has no clue what he did wrong03:08
claydohHobbsee: I do agree with that03:08
* Riddell snoozes03:08
JontheEchidnaRiddell: so from my branch jockey crashes?03:09
JontheEchidnait doesn't here03:09
JontheEchidnahttps://code.edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/jockey/jockey-pykde4 , to be sure ;)03:10
=== bobesponjita is now known as bobesponja
seele'night Riddell03:13
RiddellJontheEchidna: how do you run it?03:14
JontheEchidnaRiddell: jonathan@jonathan-desktop:~/Documents/python/jockey-kde4/jockey-pykde4/kde$ sudo python jockey-kde03:15
Riddellhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/39816/03:16
* Riddell snoozes03:17
JontheEchidnathat rings a bell, actually03:17
* JontheEchidna remembers something similar03:17
JontheEchidnabut I thought I fixed that in bzr03:18
JontheEchidnaYeah, I did fix it in bzr, but that was after I made debs03:19
* JontheEchidna remembers he screwed up the .ui file something awful03:19
Hobbseeclaydoh: i see why it would suck to be the head of artwork, after doing u-r-e for a while...03:27
vorianJontheEchidna: kio-bookmarks uploaded03:37
vorianthanks again for your contributions :)03:37
JontheEchidnavorian: cooliosis03:49
JontheEchidnaDid you try it? It's quite neat03:49
JontheEchidnaI found it because commit-digest did a mini-article about it03:50
JontheEchidnaoh lol, I forgot to push up my last to jockey commits to bzr03:50
JontheEchidnaRiddell: When you wake up, update jockey and try it again. ;-)03:52
* JontheEchidna goes to bed04:25
Jucatonight JontheEchidna04:25
voriannn04:29
Czessi-mmorning09:27
Czessi-mRiddell: we found the kubuntu poll-up post in the kde booth box :-)09:28
=== thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak
devfilRiddell: there?15:29
Riddellhi devfil15:49
devfilRiddell: in kdebindings there are two files not installed usr/lib/kde3/libjsconsoleplugin.{la,so}, where should I put them? libkde3-java package?15:50
Riddelldevfil: leave them out15:50
Riddellwe took that out ages ago because it was broken15:50
devfilRiddell: ok, just to know ;)15:51
=== d-miller2 is now known as d-miller
taupterRiddell: ping17:16
Riddellhi taupter17:34
taupterRiddell: Hi. :)17:35
taupterRiddell: Did you see thiago's rant?17:35
Riddellnope17:35
Riddellabout nvidia?17:36
taupterRiddell: About the glib-in-Qt event stack making kwin spend 20% of processor time while idle?17:36
Riddellnope17:36
taupterRiddell: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/08/22/rant-desktop-effects-never-more/17:37
taupterRiddell: I believe it's the same rant about nvidia. My machines suffer the same problem,17:38
Riddelland does it help to run kwin with QT_NO_GLIB=1?17:39
taupterRiddell: and I'm not aware of any Qt program using Glib's event stack anyway,17:39
taupterRiddell: Yes, QT_NO_GLIB=1 helps greatly.17:39
taupterRiddell: I'd like to suggest disabling glib support in Kubuntu's Qt packages, or at least disabling it with QT_NO_GLIB=1.17:41
Riddelltaupter: does QT_NO_GLIB=1 for kwin only help?17:41
taupterRiddell: I'm not sure.17:42
RiddellJontheEchidna: jockey seems to work now17:42
Riddelltaupter: if it's only a problem for kwin then we can easily enough turn it off for that17:42
taupterRiddell: I restarted kwin from a konsole here after export QT_NO_GLIB=117:44
Riddelltaupter: and your problem goes away?17:45
taupterRiddell: It seems quieter, but plasma and kwin still throw processor spikes regularly. :)17:46
Riddellwould be easy enough to turn off, I'll talk to thiago first though and see what he recommends17:47
taupterRiddell: Just for the record, here I'm using an Nvidia 7500LE with 1920x1440, and when I disable glib it flies.17:48
taupterRiddell: Sorry. Nvidia 5700le17:49
devfilRiddell: dh_shlibdeps -pkommander  -l :debian/kommander/usr/lib18:26
devfildh_shlibdeps: command returned error code 1118:26
devfilmake: *** [binary-predeb-IMPL/kommander] Error 118:26
Riddellwibble18:27
devfilRiddell: do you know why I get this error?18:28
Riddellnever seen it before18:29
nixternalhowdy all18:32
JontheEchidnaRiddell: cool18:36
taupterRiddell: ping18:37
JontheEchidnaRiddell: Once I get it working with the new package-installer it should be good to go18:37
Riddellhi taupter18:38
taupterRiddell: Heh. :) Disabling the Glib thing just to kwin does the trick, I confirm here, and18:38
taupterRiddell: thiago sent me a patch: http://pastebin.ca/118253818:39
taupterRiddell: It will disable Glib just to kwin, but he doesn't want to commit it to kde's repos,18:40
nixternalhrmm, nobody can say hi....jeesh, see if I ever say hi again!18:40
taupterRiddell: as if he does so nobody will ever try to fix Glib in Qt. :D18:40
taupterRiddell: And he's right. :D. afaict the patch can be appliet to both 4.1 branch and trunk.18:41
Riddelltaupter: great18:42
Riddellhi nixternal!18:42
nixternalhi Riddell :)18:42
nixternalnow I feel some love again18:42
taupterRiddell: Can I bug you again? :) kmldonkey-kde4 doesn't install, as it depends on libplasma1 but only libplasma2 is installed.18:43
taupterRiddell: I made a .deb for my own comsumption, and maybe I could help to package some bits of kde4 for kubuntu.18:44
yuriyok I've really gotta get designer running to get working on userconfig..18:45
JontheEchidnayuriy: so it's segfaulting trying to load pykde plugins?18:49
JontheEchidnaoh hey, I don't have python-kde4-dev installed18:51
JontheEchidnamaybe that's why it works18:51
JontheEchidnastill works18:52
* yuriy checks18:53
yuriyI don't have python-kde4-dev either18:54
JontheEchidnaIt worked before and after installing that for me18:54
yuriyJontheEchidna: where did you get that that's what it was segfaulting on?18:54
JontheEchidnarunning it in konsole18:54
JontheEchidnaoh18:55
JontheEchidnaactually I just deleted stuff from /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/designer until it worked18:55
yuriythis is what I get: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/39957/18:55
yuriyyeah you told me that, but it didn't work for me18:55
JontheEchidna:(18:56
yuriyand this is last thing from valgrind: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/39702/18:56
JontheEchidnawould you happen to have the bespin qt4 widget theme installed?18:56
yuriyno18:57
JontheEchidnacuz that causes designer to segfault too18:57
yuriyJontheEchidna: probably should report that if you know specific things18:58
JontheEchidnabespin is unmaintained18:59
JontheEchidnait was the original oxygen theme iirc18:59
yuriybut designer shouldn't segfault on random things18:59
JontheEchidnaok so taking a random stab here, maybe pyqt3 is conflicting with pyqt4?19:00
yuriyremoved python-qt3 and python-kde3, no luck19:02
JontheEchidnapython-kde3-dev would probably be the offender if pyqt3 was conflicting19:02
yuriynope :(19:03
JontheEchidnadamn, this sucks19:04
JontheEchidnaany way I could create the ui file for you?19:04
yuriyI think I'll need several19:04
JontheEchidnausing userconfig from kde-guidance as a reference?19:05
yuriyyeah19:05
yuriyI guess that's doable19:05
yuriyand bzr branch for the ported one is available19:05
JontheEchidnawhat's your LP id?19:06
yuriyyuriy-kozlov19:07
JontheEchidnaso how have you been doing work without ui files?19:08
yuriythe original didn't use them19:08
yuriyI actually prefer to write out GUIs19:09
yuriybut I don't want to debug what's there, and I figured I'd be nice to the next person who touches it19:09
yuriyall I've done so far is get it to run and all the dialogs to show up19:12
* smarter <3 amarok219:15
yuriybroken for me last I checked19:15
smarteryuriy: I had to remove my ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok and ~/.kde/share/config/amarok* to make it work19:16
smarterthe only thing I miss is a working lyric applet19:16
JontheEchidnayuriy: so you want to change the current GUI into .ui files?19:18
yuriyJontheEchidna: rather than fix it, yeah19:19
JontheEchidnaokie19:19
yuriyneed:19:19
yuriy1. details grid for user19:19
yuriy2. details page for modify user19:20
nixternalapachelogger: you aren't telling people to replace KHC with a Wiki are you? or you aren't behind that movement?19:20
yuriy3. password page for modify user19:20
yuriy4. page for modify/new group19:21
yuriyI think that's it19:21
Riddelltaupter: do fix up the package, that would be great20:23
Riddellit can probably drop hte -kde4 name20:23
=== jjesse_ is now known as jjesse
Tonio_hi there20:52
Tonio_is knetworkmanager still working for you ?20:52
Tonio_I can seem to connect to any wireless network.... I can configure a connection, but nothing happens when I'm trying to connect...20:52
Tonio_works with wired connections btw20:52
JontheEchidnayuriy: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/maindialogui.png20:58
JontheEchidnahttp://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/maindialogui2.png20:58
yuriyTonio_: wasn't working for me last I tried.. installed gnome-network-manager and forgot about it20:58
yuriyJontheEchidna: thanks!! I'll look at it later, working on my roof20:58
JontheEchidnahehe20:58
JontheEchidnahave fun20:58
Tonio_yuriy: oki21:11
yuriyJontheEchidna: not quite what I was asking for, but cool!21:18
JontheEchidnawould you like to use it?21:23
yuriyJontheEchidna: at least -- can you make the top level a widget and not a dialog, so it can be embedded in a kcm easily?21:24
yuriyother than that, great, I'll use it21:24
JontheEchidnayeah21:24
JontheEchidnaI was having trouble making it a dialog anyway21:24
JontheEchidnaI still need to make .ui files for the modify, new, and delete dialogs21:28
seeleJontheEchidna: right align your labels!21:29
seeleJontheEchidna: and is that going to be a kcm module as well?21:29
JontheEchidnaseele: That's the dream21:30
seeleoh, i missed yuriy's comment, hehe21:30
* JontheEchidna just threw all the things in the details box in a grid layout21:30
JontheEchidnaafter I took the screenshot21:30
* JontheEchidna needs web hosting space where he can throw up junk21:32
yuriyJontheEchidna: you can push the .ui files to the bzr branch21:34
JontheEchidnayuriy: isn't the branch owned by you?21:34
Riddellyuriy: you can embed it in a kcm?21:35
yuriyhaven't tried yet, actually21:35
yuriybut I mean, how guidance utils pick a base class based on if it's run standalone21:36
yuriyso an ui based on a dialog or main window wouldn't work21:36
yuriyRiddell: do you know if libpythonize works for kde4?21:37
Riddellit doesn't21:37
* yuriy -> back to the roof21:38
yuriyoh :-\21:38
Riddellit's on sime's todo I think but he's a busy chap21:39
JontheEchidnahttp://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/mainwindowui3.png21:42
JontheEchidna^That's with all the layouting, etc21:43
JontheEchidnaand no dialog buttons21:43
* JontheEchidna copied the tabwidget onto a pure qwidget21:43
apacheloggernixternal: I am telling people to replace most docbooks with a wiki and make KHC arrive in 2008 by making it access online content22:31
JontheEchidnaQWebview ftw22:31
apacheloggerKHTML ftw22:32
JontheEchidnaGecko ftw22:32
apacheloggeror for that matter22:32
apacheloggerKParts ftw!22:32
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ok, now that was seriously out of place22:32
apacheloggerthat is like IE ftw22:32
yuriyJontheEchidna: awesome!22:32
yuriyJontheEchidna: does it let you push to my branch?22:33
JontheEchidnayuriy: haven't tried22:33
JontheEchidnabut the LP page says only you can22:33
JontheEchidnahttps://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yuriy-kozlov/guidance/userconfig-kde422:33
apacheloggeryuriy: he can push to his and you can merge22:33
apacheloggeror you move the branch to kde-members22:33
yuriymoved to kubuntu-members22:35
JontheEchidnacool beans22:35
yuriyapachelogger: now now, Gecko is still FOSS22:35
apacheloggerthat doesn't mean it's good software though22:35
JontheEchidnahas less rendering errors than KHTML too22:35
yuriyJontheEchidna: can you add focus buddies?22:35
JontheEchidnayuriy: focus buddies?22:36
yuriyso when you click on a label, it focuses its corresponding line edit22:36
* apachelogger is wondering what to work on22:36
yuriyiirc this is denoted by a blue arrow in designer22:36
* JontheEchidna didn't know you could do that22:36
apacheloggerhm22:36
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: you should get yourself a Qt book22:37
apacheloggerfocus buddies is one of the essential features ;-)22:37
JontheEchidnathat was easy22:37
JontheEchidnaok, so I made a ui/ folder22:38
JontheEchidnawhich has all of 1 ui file in it right now :P22:40
JontheEchidnaanyway, just pushed it up22:41
JontheEchidnayou can edit the widget names with kate or whatever22:41
JontheEchidnaI guess22:41
JontheEchidnaOk, for the delete user dialog we should just hard code in a KMessageBox22:45
JontheEchidnano need to make a ui file for that22:45
JontheEchidnaHmm, well actually I have no clue how you'd get checkboxes in there22:46
JontheEchidnaso maybe not22:46
yuriyi'll code it if need be22:52
yuriyi had a list of stuff earliery^22:52
JontheEchidnayuriy: so do the modify and new dialogs use the same dialog and just populate it differently?23:12
apacheloggernow I have more karma from bzr commits than bug triage23:33
apacheloggerthat algo is completely pointless23:33
apacheloggerthe most time consuming work creates the least karma23:33
apachelogger:S23:33
JontheEchidnajust go and close a couple hundred bugs that are set to expire 10 years ago23:36
JontheEchidnaIs it wrong if I laugh inside when I see window management bugs in compiz at launchpad?23:39
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: it just seems wrong that closing expired bugs gives karma at all, how does that move anything forward? ... and the compiz thing is just normal23:50
JontheEchidnabtw, this page is quite handy: http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/reports/since-yesterday/23:50
apacheloggeryeah, it shows how broken gnome is compared to KDE :P23:52
JontheEchidna:P23:52
JontheEchidnathat's why I've been laughing at compiz so much lately23:53
tyfonthe desktop effects in kde4 is working pretty nice here.. but i sort of miss an exposé effect :)23:56
JontheEchidnathrow the mouse to the top left corner23:57
yuriyJontheEchidna: yes23:57
yuriythey do use the same dialog23:57
JontheEchidnathought so23:58
tyfonhmm23:58
yuriyapachelogger: I think it shows more the popularity of Ubuntu compared to Kubuntu, but we can keep thinking that :P23:59
tyfoni didnt see it in the settings list so i asumed it was not there ;)23:59
tyfonthats nice23:59
JontheEchidnatyfon: it's called something else23:59
tyfonyeah it works hehe23:59
JontheEchidnaI think crtl + F10 also does it23:59

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