[00:41] Riddell: ping [00:44] hi pgquiles [00:46] Riddell: hi. Is it already too late to sync witty ( http://packages.debian.org/unstable/witty ) with Debian? (an updated version just got in) [00:47] nope [00:48] ah, it's the Wt stuff [00:48] yes [00:48] pgquiles: have you checked it compiles and runs on ubuntu? [00:48] Riddell: yes. In fact, it's always available for Ubuntu from my PPA before being available for Debian :-) [00:49] pgquiles: what's your launchpad username? [00:49] Riddell: pgquiles :-) [00:49] Riddell: http://launchpad.net/~pgquiles/+archive [00:50] * Riddell guesses pgquiles [00:52] pgquiles: synced [00:52] Riddell: thanks! [00:55] welcome back splitters :) [00:55] pgquiles: synced incase you missed that [00:57] Riddell: I got it, thanks. IRC splits are funny to watch :-) [02:09] who's still awake? [02:09] testers needed for http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/install-package_0.1_all.deb === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Meeting Wednesday 27th 23:00UTC [02:17] wow [02:17] * echidnaman sees he was pinging out all the time he was away === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna [02:17] JontheEchidna! [02:17] it crashes? [02:17] JontheEchidna: fancy testing http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/install-package_0.1_all.deb ? [02:18] * JontheEchidna didn't notice that jockey crashed when he tested [02:19] but ya I can test that too [02:21] Riddell: we might want to steal the launch-kdesudo code from gdebi for software-properties and install-package [02:21] well, it's a command line only app [02:22] Riddell: well it currently says to launch with kdesudo if you don't use sudo or kdesudo :P [02:22] JontheEchidna: right, so jockey or whatever should use kdesudo [02:23] yeah I've been meaning to give jockey and software-properties gdebi's code... [02:23] JontheEchidna: code for what? [02:23] for re-launching with kdesudo if not run with sudo in the first place [02:24] right [02:24] JontheEchidna: anyway, how's install-package working for you? [02:24] It's downloading file 0 of 1 [02:24] (amarok-kde4) [02:25] good package choice :) [02:25] and the details list is empty [02:25] it only shows stuff during install [02:26] oh, any idea how to make it stop saying my computer needs a reboot? :P [02:26] reboot? [02:26] earlier when I was testing update-manager [02:26] you gave me a command to test the need-reboot functionality [02:27] rm /var/run/reboot-required [02:27] oh, duh [02:29] amarok-kde4 successfully installed [02:29] everything looked great aside from the "downloading package 0 out of 1" bug [02:30] hmm, that comes from python-apt [02:30] so not my fault, uploading :) [02:30] ;-) [02:31] so should that be a drop-in replacement for adept-batch? [02:31] not quite, the command syntax is a bit different [02:31] ports of jockey and language-selector welcome [02:31] * JontheEchidna needs to investigate the jockey crash [02:32] So is the week before feature freeze always like this? :P [02:34] dear jesus... [02:34] oookay... jockey-backed is ****-ed up [02:34] * JontheEchidna didn't touch it [02:35] seems to be throwing a hissy fit with dbus [02:35] * Riddell still needs to implement dist upgrade wizard into adept [02:36] Riddell: did you get anything like this when testing jockey? http://paste.ubuntu.com/39814/ [02:39] nope [02:39] looks like a whole new crash [02:40] * JontheEchidna purges his jockey install and reinstalls the most recent official release [02:41] crap, happens with jockey from the repos [02:41] meaning it's a problem with my setup :( [02:45] this sucks [02:48] whoa.. Riddell is still up? [02:49] nobody to tell me to go to bed tonight :) [02:49] hehe [02:50] who wants to sleep alone when they can spend time with their IRC friends! [02:50] exactly [02:52] i'm finding some interesting stuff in the data you gave me [02:53] i havent scrubbed the data for outliers yet or anything, but i did run some basic numbers on x and y resolutions [02:53] 54% of the respondents reported runnign 1024 as their X res [02:53] oh wait wait, wrong number [02:54] 54% are running between 1024-1280 [02:54] BUT [02:54] 60% are running y res between 768 and 1024 [02:54] 54% are running at 768 [02:55] so it's possible the values you pulled for laptop/desktop are valid afterall.. even though they seemed a bit high for laptop when you pasted the preview data [02:55] 1024x768 is pretty well the norm for low to medium end computers [02:55] right.. but there is a lot of 1280x768 going on too [02:56] which is more common in laptops than monitors [02:56] dell sells widescreen monitors, but i think most of them are larger than 1280x1024 [02:57] the interesting part (for me at least) is that this tells use we have very limited vertical real estate to work with [02:57] screens are getting wider, not taller [02:58] widescreen gets sales, resultion less so [02:59] it looked like there were probably a few tablets submitted too because the resolutions reported were x < y [03:00] * claydoh is doing the kde4 fanboi thing on kubuntuforums [03:00] is the msttcorefonts *not* part of kubuntu-restricted-extras? [03:00] claydoh: doesn't seem to be [03:00] claydoh: it's not so far. [03:00] was there a reason maybe? [03:01] hm, i didn't thikn it was in any of them. obviously not [03:01] I saw a discussion in the ml archives [03:02] u-r-s does depend on msttcorefonts [03:02] afaik [03:02] patches welcome then :) [03:03] although liberty fonts might mean there's no need any more [03:03] fixed. [03:03] there was already a patch [03:03] heh someone already has [03:03] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-restricted-extras/+bug/231094 [03:03] Launchpad bug 231094 in ubuntu-restricted-extras "Please add msttcorefonts to kubuntu-restricted-extras" [Undecided,Fix released] [03:04] * Hobbsee doesn't see why ttf-liberation does not suffice, though. [03:06] claydoh: the general reason as to why it wasn't (although i'm not sure how they got in for the other bits) was because i didn't see the point of having a package that effectively depends on everything in multiverse, with it's varying degrees of usefulness. [03:06] and, y'know, fonts aren't generally extra functionality, per se. [03:08] holy crap, jockey works now [03:08] * JontheEchidna has no clue what he did wrong [03:08] Hobbsee: I do agree with that [03:08] * Riddell snoozes [03:09] Riddell: so from my branch jockey crashes? [03:09] it doesn't here [03:10] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/jockey/jockey-pykde4 , to be sure ;) === bobesponjita is now known as bobesponja [03:13] 'night Riddell [03:14] JontheEchidna: how do you run it? [03:15] Riddell: jonathan@jonathan-desktop:~/Documents/python/jockey-kde4/jockey-pykde4/kde$ sudo python jockey-kde [03:16] http://paste.ubuntu.com/39816/ [03:17] * Riddell snoozes [03:17] that rings a bell, actually [03:17] * JontheEchidna remembers something similar [03:18] but I thought I fixed that in bzr [03:19] Yeah, I did fix it in bzr, but that was after I made debs [03:19] * JontheEchidna remembers he screwed up the .ui file something awful [03:27] claydoh: i see why it would suck to be the head of artwork, after doing u-r-e for a while... [03:37] JontheEchidna: kio-bookmarks uploaded [03:37] thanks again for your contributions :) [03:49] vorian: cooliosis [03:49] Did you try it? It's quite neat [03:50] I found it because commit-digest did a mini-article about it [03:50] oh lol, I forgot to push up my last to jockey commits to bzr [03:52] Riddell: When you wake up, update jockey and try it again. ;-) [04:25] * JontheEchidna goes to bed [04:25] night JontheEchidna [04:29] nn [09:27] morning [09:28] Riddell: we found the kubuntu poll-up post in the kde booth box :-) === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [15:29] Riddell: there? [15:49] hi devfil [15:50] Riddell: in kdebindings there are two files not installed usr/lib/kde3/libjsconsoleplugin.{la,so}, where should I put them? libkde3-java package? [15:50] devfil: leave them out [15:50] we took that out ages ago because it was broken [15:51] Riddell: ok, just to know ;) === d-miller2 is now known as d-miller [17:16] Riddell: ping [17:34] hi taupter [17:35] Riddell: Hi. :) [17:35] Riddell: Did you see thiago's rant? [17:35] nope [17:36] about nvidia? [17:36] Riddell: About the glib-in-Qt event stack making kwin spend 20% of processor time while idle? [17:36] nope [17:37] Riddell: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/08/22/rant-desktop-effects-never-more/ [17:38] Riddell: I believe it's the same rant about nvidia. My machines suffer the same problem, [17:39] and does it help to run kwin with QT_NO_GLIB=1? [17:39] Riddell: and I'm not aware of any Qt program using Glib's event stack anyway, [17:39] Riddell: Yes, QT_NO_GLIB=1 helps greatly. [17:41] Riddell: I'd like to suggest disabling glib support in Kubuntu's Qt packages, or at least disabling it with QT_NO_GLIB=1. [17:41] taupter: does QT_NO_GLIB=1 for kwin only help? [17:42] Riddell: I'm not sure. [17:42] JontheEchidna: jockey seems to work now [17:42] taupter: if it's only a problem for kwin then we can easily enough turn it off for that [17:44] Riddell: I restarted kwin from a konsole here after export QT_NO_GLIB=1 [17:45] taupter: and your problem goes away? [17:46] Riddell: It seems quieter, but plasma and kwin still throw processor spikes regularly. :) [17:47] would be easy enough to turn off, I'll talk to thiago first though and see what he recommends [17:48] Riddell: Just for the record, here I'm using an Nvidia 7500LE with 1920x1440, and when I disable glib it flies. [17:49] Riddell: Sorry. Nvidia 5700le [18:26] Riddell: dh_shlibdeps -pkommander -l :debian/kommander/usr/lib [18:26] dh_shlibdeps: command returned error code 11 [18:26] make: *** [binary-predeb-IMPL/kommander] Error 1 [18:27] wibble [18:28] Riddell: do you know why I get this error? [18:29] never seen it before [18:32] howdy all [18:36] Riddell: cool [18:37] Riddell: ping [18:37] Riddell: Once I get it working with the new package-installer it should be good to go [18:38] hi taupter [18:38] Riddell: Heh. :) Disabling the Glib thing just to kwin does the trick, I confirm here, and [18:39] Riddell: thiago sent me a patch: http://pastebin.ca/1182538 [18:40] Riddell: It will disable Glib just to kwin, but he doesn't want to commit it to kde's repos, [18:40] hrmm, nobody can say hi....jeesh, see if I ever say hi again! [18:40] Riddell: as if he does so nobody will ever try to fix Glib in Qt. :D [18:41] Riddell: And he's right. :D. afaict the patch can be appliet to both 4.1 branch and trunk. [18:42] taupter: great [18:42] hi nixternal! [18:42] hi Riddell :) [18:42] now I feel some love again [18:43] Riddell: Can I bug you again? :) kmldonkey-kde4 doesn't install, as it depends on libplasma1 but only libplasma2 is installed. [18:44] Riddell: I made a .deb for my own comsumption, and maybe I could help to package some bits of kde4 for kubuntu. [18:45] ok I've really gotta get designer running to get working on userconfig.. [18:49] yuriy: so it's segfaulting trying to load pykde plugins? [18:51] oh hey, I don't have python-kde4-dev installed [18:51] maybe that's why it works [18:52] still works [18:53] * yuriy checks [18:54] I don't have python-kde4-dev either [18:54] It worked before and after installing that for me [18:54] JontheEchidna: where did you get that that's what it was segfaulting on? [18:54] running it in konsole [18:55] oh [18:55] actually I just deleted stuff from /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/designer until it worked [18:55] this is what I get: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/39957/ [18:55] yeah you told me that, but it didn't work for me [18:56] :( [18:56] and this is last thing from valgrind: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/39702/ [18:56] would you happen to have the bespin qt4 widget theme installed? [18:57] no [18:57] cuz that causes designer to segfault too [18:58] JontheEchidna: probably should report that if you know specific things [18:59] bespin is unmaintained [18:59] it was the original oxygen theme iirc [18:59] but designer shouldn't segfault on random things [19:00] ok so taking a random stab here, maybe pyqt3 is conflicting with pyqt4? [19:02] removed python-qt3 and python-kde3, no luck [19:02] python-kde3-dev would probably be the offender if pyqt3 was conflicting [19:03] nope :( [19:04] damn, this sucks [19:04] any way I could create the ui file for you? [19:04] I think I'll need several [19:05] using userconfig from kde-guidance as a reference? [19:05] yeah [19:05] I guess that's doable [19:05] and bzr branch for the ported one is available [19:06] what's your LP id? [19:07] yuriy-kozlov [19:08] so how have you been doing work without ui files? [19:08] the original didn't use them [19:09] I actually prefer to write out GUIs [19:09] but I don't want to debug what's there, and I figured I'd be nice to the next person who touches it [19:12] all I've done so far is get it to run and all the dialogs to show up [19:15] * smarter <3 amarok2 [19:15] broken for me last I checked [19:16] yuriy: I had to remove my ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok and ~/.kde/share/config/amarok* to make it work [19:16] the only thing I miss is a working lyric applet [19:18] yuriy: so you want to change the current GUI into .ui files? [19:19] JontheEchidna: rather than fix it, yeah [19:19] okie [19:19] need: [19:19] 1. details grid for user [19:20] 2. details page for modify user [19:20] apachelogger: you aren't telling people to replace KHC with a Wiki are you? or you aren't behind that movement? [19:20] 3. password page for modify user [19:21] 4. page for modify/new group [19:21] I think that's it [20:23] taupter: do fix up the package, that would be great [20:23] it can probably drop hte -kde4 name === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [20:52] hi there [20:52] is knetworkmanager still working for you ? [20:52] I can seem to connect to any wireless network.... I can configure a connection, but nothing happens when I'm trying to connect... [20:52] works with wired connections btw [20:58] yuriy: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/maindialogui.png [20:58] http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/maindialogui2.png [20:58] Tonio_: wasn't working for me last I tried.. installed gnome-network-manager and forgot about it [20:58] JontheEchidna: thanks!! I'll look at it later, working on my roof [20:58] hehe [20:58] have fun [21:11] yuriy: oki [21:18] JontheEchidna: not quite what I was asking for, but cool! [21:23] would you like to use it? [21:24] JontheEchidna: at least -- can you make the top level a widget and not a dialog, so it can be embedded in a kcm easily? [21:24] other than that, great, I'll use it [21:24] yeah [21:24] I was having trouble making it a dialog anyway [21:28] I still need to make .ui files for the modify, new, and delete dialogs [21:29] JontheEchidna: right align your labels! [21:29] JontheEchidna: and is that going to be a kcm module as well? [21:30] seele: That's the dream [21:30] oh, i missed yuriy's comment, hehe [21:30] * JontheEchidna just threw all the things in the details box in a grid layout [21:30] after I took the screenshot [21:32] * JontheEchidna needs web hosting space where he can throw up junk [21:34] JontheEchidna: you can push the .ui files to the bzr branch [21:34] yuriy: isn't the branch owned by you? [21:35] yuriy: you can embed it in a kcm? [21:35] haven't tried yet, actually [21:36] but I mean, how guidance utils pick a base class based on if it's run standalone [21:36] so an ui based on a dialog or main window wouldn't work [21:37] Riddell: do you know if libpythonize works for kde4? [21:37] it doesn't [21:38] * yuriy -> back to the roof [21:38] oh :-\ [21:39] it's on sime's todo I think but he's a busy chap [21:42] http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/mainwindowui3.png [21:43] ^That's with all the layouting, etc [21:43] and no dialog buttons [21:43] * JontheEchidna copied the tabwidget onto a pure qwidget [22:31] nixternal: I am telling people to replace most docbooks with a wiki and make KHC arrive in 2008 by making it access online content [22:31] QWebview ftw [22:32] KHTML ftw [22:32] Gecko ftw [22:32] or for that matter [22:32] KParts ftw! [22:32] JontheEchidna: ok, now that was seriously out of place [22:32] that is like IE ftw [22:32] JontheEchidna: awesome! [22:33] JontheEchidna: does it let you push to my branch? [22:33] yuriy: haven't tried [22:33] but the LP page says only you can [22:33] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yuriy-kozlov/guidance/userconfig-kde4 [22:33] yuriy: he can push to his and you can merge [22:33] or you move the branch to kde-members [22:35] moved to kubuntu-members [22:35] cool beans [22:35] apachelogger: now now, Gecko is still FOSS [22:35] that doesn't mean it's good software though [22:35] has less rendering errors than KHTML too [22:35] JontheEchidna: can you add focus buddies? [22:36] yuriy: focus buddies? [22:36] so when you click on a label, it focuses its corresponding line edit [22:36] * apachelogger is wondering what to work on [22:36] iirc this is denoted by a blue arrow in designer [22:36] * JontheEchidna didn't know you could do that [22:36] hm [22:37] JontheEchidna: you should get yourself a Qt book [22:37] focus buddies is one of the essential features ;-) [22:37] that was easy [22:38] ok, so I made a ui/ folder [22:40] which has all of 1 ui file in it right now :P [22:41] anyway, just pushed it up [22:41] you can edit the widget names with kate or whatever [22:41] I guess [22:45] Ok, for the delete user dialog we should just hard code in a KMessageBox [22:45] no need to make a ui file for that [22:46] Hmm, well actually I have no clue how you'd get checkboxes in there [22:46] so maybe not [22:52] i'll code it if need be [22:52] i had a list of stuff earliery^ [23:12] yuriy: so do the modify and new dialogs use the same dialog and just populate it differently? [23:33] now I have more karma from bzr commits than bug triage [23:33] that algo is completely pointless [23:33] the most time consuming work creates the least karma [23:33] :S [23:36] just go and close a couple hundred bugs that are set to expire 10 years ago [23:39] Is it wrong if I laugh inside when I see window management bugs in compiz at launchpad? [23:50] JontheEchidna: it just seems wrong that closing expired bugs gives karma at all, how does that move anything forward? ... and the compiz thing is just normal [23:50] btw, this page is quite handy: http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/reports/since-yesterday/ [23:52] yeah, it shows how broken gnome is compared to KDE :P [23:52] :P [23:53] that's why I've been laughing at compiz so much lately [23:56] the desktop effects in kde4 is working pretty nice here.. but i sort of miss an exposé effect :) [23:57] throw the mouse to the top left corner [23:57] JontheEchidna: yes [23:57] they do use the same dialog [23:58] thought so [23:58] hmm [23:59] apachelogger: I think it shows more the popularity of Ubuntu compared to Kubuntu, but we can keep thinking that :P [23:59] i didnt see it in the settings list so i asumed it was not there ;) [23:59] thats nice [23:59] tyfon: it's called something else [23:59] yeah it works hehe [23:59] I think crtl + F10 also does it