[13:13] <NCommander> morning cody-somerville
[13:16] <cody-somerville> Morning
[13:48] <cody-somerville> @schedule
[13:48] <cody-somerville> Waz happen to Xubuntu meeting? :-(
[13:53] <NCommander> No love
[13:55] <NCommander> Argh
[13:55] <NCommander> Package 'dbus-1', required by 'xfconf', not found
[13:55] <NCommander> Finally
[13:55] <cody-somerville> :-]
[13:56]  * NCommander uploads beta7
[13:56] <NCommander> :-/
[14:02] <cody-somerville> I dunno how long I can stay for the meeting so lets get started as soon as possible :-]
[14:03] <NCommander> Well
[14:03] <NCommander> Give it another minute
[14:03] <NCommander> Then we'll start
[14:04] <NCommander> Is it worth having a meeting with what, two people?
[14:07] <NCommander> cody-somerville, I'll chair if you feel the meeting is worth it
[14:07] <NCommander> that's three
[14:07] <mr_pouit> hi there
[14:08]  * Myrtti gets her glasses and microwaves some coffee
[14:08] <NCommander> sweet
[14:08] <NCommander> that's enough for me
[14:08] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[14:08] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[14:08] <cody-somerville> :]
[14:08] <NCommander> MootBot seems broken
[14:08] <cody-somerville> #startmeeting
[14:08]  * cody-somerville nods.
[14:09] <cody-somerville> So, lets go over the follow up items
[14:10]  * NCommander makes sure mr_pouit and Myrtti are still with us
[14:10] <Myrtti> not that I can contribute much, but yes
[14:10] <NCommander> One of us should log the chat
[14:10] <NCommander> Since the bot is broken
[14:10] <NCommander> I guess we should start with recent events
[14:10] <Myrtti> I'm logging
[14:10] <Myrtti> hold on, checking
[14:11] <Myrtti> yes, it's logging
[14:11] <NCommander> We have a new Xubuntu-developer who shall remain nameless for his own safety
[14:11] <NCommander> ;-)
[14:12] <NCommander> Anyway, the first note here on the list is the Team Updates section (Packaging/etc.)
[14:12] <NCommander> xfce4.6-beta is mostly packaged, but beyond that, I got nothing
[14:12]  * Myrtti gets her laptop to burn ibex alt xubuntu installation disc to install on the laptop
[14:13] <cody-somerville> I've been working with upstream
[14:13] <NCommander> Ah, so I have you to thank for all the patches going upstream
[14:13] <NCommander> (I was able to remove almost 10-20 patches across the board since they rolled upstream)
[14:13] <NCommander> qdj
[14:13] <NCommander> *ack, netsplit
[14:13] <cody-somerville> I think this 4.6 alpha is the result of my prodding
[14:13] <cody-somerville> \o/
[14:13] <NCommander> We lost of mr_prouit
[14:14] <NCommander> And now they are back
[14:14] <cody-somerville> \o/
[14:14] <NCommander> mr_pouit, wb from the otherside of the split ;-)
[14:14] <NCommander> https://edge.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive - current packaged xfce 4.6 beta is in the xubuntu-dev PPA
[14:14] <cody-somerville> In the artwork department, jmakz has an updated gdm theme that has yet to be updated
[14:15] <NCommander> Everything is packaged and works (ignore the xfprint failure, I just fixed that),
[14:15] <cody-somerville> Also, the xubuntu meta package needs uploading from and our branch needs merging with core-devs
[14:15] <NCommander> Come again?
[14:15] <cody-somerville> NCommander, xubuntu-meta needs uploading
[14:16] <NCommander> That's the meta packages that allows for easy updating if memory serves, right?
[14:16] <cody-somerville> Its xubuntu-desktop binary package
[14:16] <NCommander> Oh
[14:16] <NCommander> I'm not too familar with that part of the packaging, I'm still new here
[14:17] <NCommander> what's the hold up on that?
[14:17] <cody-somerville> I just need to get it done
[14:18] <NCommander> If you shove the sources somewhere, I can roll one for xfce4.6
[14:18] <NCommander> (its on my todo list once the last modules roll)
[14:18] <cody-somerville> It needs to be uploaded to the release achive :-]
[14:18] <cody-somerville> *archive
[14:18] <cody-somerville> and it is a script
[14:18] <NCommander> We need to work out the xfce 4.4 rdpepends when we roll 4.6
[14:18] <NCommander> A lot of the internal libraries got shuffled around
[14:18] <NCommander> So that's going to be nasty
[14:18] <cody-somerville> Okay.
[14:19] <NCommander> *-mcs is history, we have THREE new packages (xfconf, menu, and xfsettings)
[14:19] <cody-somerville> Okay.
[14:19] <NCommander> Once everything is confirmed and packaged, I'm going to drop xubuntu-devel/xubuntu-tester emails inviting them to beta test 4.6 beta
[14:19] <cody-somerville> Splendid.
[14:20] <NCommander> The only outstanding issue is a few man pages need to be authored
[14:20] <NCommander> I'll offer mentoring on the task, but I have no real interest in writing them
[14:20]  * cody-somerville nods.
[14:20] <Myrtti> hmmm
[14:20] <cody-somerville> Good idea
[14:20] <Myrtti> O
[14:20] <NCommander> That's all I got for team updates
[14:20] <Myrtti> I'm a fairly newb, would this be something that I could do as a starters?
[14:21] <NCommander> Myrtti, if you are good at writing, it should be fairly straight forward
[14:21] <Myrtti> documenting and such is one of my few fortes
[14:21] <NCommander> Wait until Xfce 4.6 rolls though
[14:21] <NCommander> make sure your an xubuntu-tester on LP
[14:21] <Myrtti> I know about nothing but I might want to give it a try if there is someone to mentor me through the process
[14:21] <Myrtti> I'll enroll right away
[14:21] <NCommander> Catch me after the meeting
[14:22] <NCommander> Ok, so thats the basis of Team Updates
[14:22] <NCommander> Now we have two outstandings from the last meeting
[14:22]  * cody-somerville nods.
[14:22] <NCommander> goffice without the -gtk variant
[14:22] <NCommander> I know nothing on this, any ideas?
[14:22] <cody-somerville> Thats done
[14:22]  * NCommander scratchs it
[14:22] <NCommander> How about possibly removing xfve4-session
[14:22] <cody-somerville> I don't think we should do that anymore
[14:23] <NCommander> (I should note I already updated and merged patches for 4.6 ;-))
[14:23] <cody-somerville> but we should consider making session saving disabled by default
[14:23] <NCommander> What was the motivation behind that
[14:23] <NCommander> That I will agree to
[14:23] <cody-somerville> The motivation is that upstream plans to deprecate it anyhow in the future because of problems with it
[14:23] <NCommander> It means we'll need a new logout panel
[14:23] <NCommander> Since xfce-session supplies that
[14:24] <cody-somerville> Right
[14:24] <NCommander> We'll put it to a vote on the list (although I guess we need an Xubuntu/Voting/Policy ;-)) over it
[14:25] <NCommander> Ok, goals for Xubuntu 8.10
[14:26] <NCommander> Standard disclaimer: Freeze date is in a week
[14:26] <cody-somerville> I have a patch to make starting Xfce4 faster
[14:27] <cody-somerville> I'm going to play with it today or tomorrow
[14:27] <NCommander> Can we get it rolled upstream, or should we shove it in our packaging?
[14:27] <cody-somerville> It'll probably make it for 4.6
[14:27] <cody-somerville> but 4.4 is frozen
[14:27] <cody-somerville> so we'll shove it in our packaging
[14:27] <NCommander> Do you want me to roll it and drop it in -testers for beta testing, or shall you?
[14:30] <NCommander> Are we going to roll 4.6 for 8.10?
[14:30] <NCommander> (it doesn't look like a final will be available in time though)
[14:32]  * cody-somerville nods.
[14:32] <cody-somerville> I have to run for breakfast
[14:32] <NCommander> I guess concludes that
[14:32] <NCommander> We can compare notes when you return