/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/08/23/#ubuntu-mythtv.txt

MythbuntuGuest87	anyone here?	00:22
tgm4883_laptop	yes	00:23
tgm4883_laptop	!hi	00:23
Zinn	Thanks for being polite. But we are so dang awesome at solving problems that we wish you would just ask your question. Thanks.	00:23
MythbuntuGuest87	has anyone had problems with movie posters being low res when downloaded?	00:25
MythbuntuGuest87	i guess that is a no	00:28
tritium	I too am experiencing https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/249446.	02:31
Greybear1	yeah, the multirec changes weren't good for LiveTV	02:32
tritium	Hi Greybear1. SiliconDust sent me a new power adapter, and I'm back in business with my HDHomeRun.	02:32
Greybear1	actually, I've never been very satisfied with LiveTV behavior, but I hardly use it anyway	02:32
Greybear1	great!	02:32
tritium	:)	02:32
tritium	So, Greybear1, how does one change tuners, then?	02:36
Greybear1	the menu	02:36
Greybear1	switch input	02:36
tritium	OK.	02:36
tritium	Greybear1: if you couldn't tune a channel in mythtv, but the output of azap told you that FE_HAS_LOCK, what would you try?	02:45
Greybear1	you mean MythTV wouldn't get a tuning lock?	02:45
tritium	Yes.	02:45
Greybear1	move the antenna up	02:45
tritium	The azap output doens't indicate it's receiving the channel just fine?	02:46
Greybear1	I'm not sure	02:46
tritium	It's very odd -- it's only one channel that I have trouble with over-the-air.	02:46
Greybear1	what error rate does azap show?	02:47
tritium	Ah, good idea. let me check.	02:47
Greybear1	in particular, pay attention to the number of unrecoverable erros	02:48
Greybear1	errors	02:48
tritium	Wow, bit error rate is 0	02:48
Greybear1	that can't be right	02:48
tritium	status 1f \| signal 8070 \| snr 118f \| ber 00000000 \| unc 00000000 \| FE_HAS_LOCK	02:48
Greybear1	yeah, ber 0 can't be right	02:48
Greybear1	that's a very low snr	02:49
tritium	I'll keep experimenting. Thanks :)	02:49
Greybear1	basically, I think you have to get a bigger/better antenna, aim it better at the transmitter, and raise it higher	02:49
Greybear1	one or all of those things	02:50
tritium	I've currently got a DB2, which is supposed to be one of the best, and I'm only 5.7 miles from the transmitters.	02:52
tritium	And, it really is only one channel. The others come in perfectly.	02:52
Greybear1	antenna?	02:52
tritium	Yes, DB2 antenna.	02:52
Greybear1	maybe the frequency is wrong	02:52
tritium	http://www.antennasdirect.com/DB2_Indoor_antenna.html	02:52
Greybear1	ok	02:53
Greybear1	I've got a http://www.engadget.com/2004/11/01/terks-hdtvo-hdtv-antenna/ on a tree in my back yard	02:53
tritium	Nice.	02:53
Greybear1	the stations are more like 20 or 30 miles away I think	02:54
Greybear1	there are some I often have trouble receiving	02:54
tritium	This one has occasionally worked for me: http://www.antennasdirect.com/SR15_HDTV_Antenna.html	02:54
tritium	(for the one channel at issue)	02:54
tritium	I wonder if my property is in a null, or something, where I just can't get this channel too reliably.	02:55
Greybear1	you're sure it's only 5 miles away?	02:55
tritium	Yes. I can see it on top of the mountain.	02:55
Greybear1	that does seem odd	02:56
tritium	I'm only a few miles from the foothills, and the top of the mountain is at ~11kft.	02:56
tritium	So, there's no line-of-sight issues ;)	02:56
Greybear1	what about other tuners?	02:56
tritium	All the same issue.	02:56
Greybear1	how well do other tuners receive that station?	02:56
Greybear1	regular TVs or anything	02:56
tritium	All receive them poorly. TV tuner, DViCO, HDHomeRun, etc.	02:57
Greybear1	ok, so it is a signal strength issue	02:57
tritium	Yes.	02:57
Greybear1	it's not something with a particular tuner	02:57
Greybear1	I'm hoping once stations shut down their NTSC transmitters, they'll turn up the power on the ATSC ones	02:57
tritium	No. It's just odd that every other channel (also on transmitters on the same towers on the mountain) work fine.	02:58
tritium	Yes, I hope so too.	02:58
Greybear1	maybe that station just transmits with much lower power than the others	02:59
tritium	Perhaps so. I hope things improve in Feb.	03:00
abarber	hey guys	03:10
abarber	i'm having trouble setting up an IR blaster	03:10
abarber	myth is picking up the channel changing, but it's not translating to the STB	03:11
pteague	is there something newer than 8.04 mythbuntu that i should be trying?	03:28
Greybear1	isn't the STB channel changing done by an external script?	03:29
pteague	modprobe is exiting unexpectedly & leaving me at an initramfs prompt	03:29
tritium	Greybear1: I just dropped my channels.conf (produced with azap) into my ~/.xine directory, and xine is playing the channel I've had trouble with perfectly.	03:32
Greybear1	strange	03:32
tritium	indeed	03:33
Greybear1	but a regular TV has trouble receiving the same channel?	03:33
tritium	Yes.	03:33
Greybear1	is the TV receiving NTSC or ATSC?	03:33
tritium	ATSC.	03:33
Greybear1	and the TV's connected to the same antenna?	03:33
tritium	Not currently, no.	03:34
Greybear1	well, that could be why it's not receiving well	03:34
tritium	Since I've had so much trouble with OTA, I connected the TV to cable.	03:34
tritium	No, I'm not that dumb. ;) I'm not trying to receive OTA with the TV any longer.	03:34
tritium	But it's had trouble in the past, when I've had the antenna hooked up.	03:34
Greybear1	oh	03:35
tritium	It seems to take longer to buffer in xine than other channels, but once it does, it's perfect.	03:36
Greybear1	so, I guess you need to make sure MythTV is using the same frequency as azap and Xine	03:37
abarber	i'm having trouble setting up my IR transmitter/blaster to work with dish	03:37
tritium	that's stored somewhere in a mysql database?	03:37
Greybear1	yeah channels are in the database	03:37
Greybear1	you can configure them in mythtv-setup	03:37
tritium	I'll check into it. Thanks.	03:37
tritium	Sorry, abarber. I've not used an IR blaster, or satellite TV.	03:38
abarber	you don't have a STB?	03:38
pteague	memory seems to be ok... been running the mem test for about an hour, no probs	03:39
pteague	ok, doing an "Install Mythbuntu" rather than using the graphical installer... i get a popup that has the title "Boot loader" & the text above the ok button says "/casper/vmlinuz"	03:41
tritium	abarber: I use an antenna for my DViCO tuner, and straight from cable to my HDHomeRun, so no, I don't use a STB.	03:42
pteague	any ideas? http://pastebin.com/m3782ad39	03:56
tritium	Greybear1: I was unable to verify frequency/vid/pid/aid in the channel editor, but increasing the timeouts for the tuner did the trick. Now myth is also tuning the channel perfectly.	04:05
Greybear1	oh, great	04:05
tritium	:)	04:05
foxbuntu	pteague, are you trying to boot to a livedisk on a board with the nvidia 8200 chipset?	04:05
pteague	it's the intel d945gclf mini-itx wanna be... although the pci vid card i installed is a nvidia geforce fx 5200	04:07
tritium	I wish I hadn't deleted my tuner cards, and then re-added them later in mythtv-setup. I know it's anal, but I don't like mythtv-status reporting that I have tuners 1-2, and 6-8, without 3-5.	04:12
tritium	(Or mythweb, for that matter.)	04:13
pteague	foxbuntu: do you think that could still be the issue?	04:20
foxbuntu	pteague, which disk?	04:21
MythbuntuGuest42	is there a way to adjust the audio on my videos playback, i just installed mythbuntu and the audio level is very low	04:22
pteague	mythbuntu 8.04 i386	04:22
foxbuntu	pteague, 8.04.1 or 8.04?	04:22
pteague	8.04... not sure i have any i386 that are 8.04.1... i got the 64bit for my desktop at work	04:23
tritium	MythbuntuGuest42: you've increased the volume setting in the main Setup section?	04:24
MythbuntuGuest42	main setup section where it gives you option about upmix and such?	04:25
tritium	From the top-level screen in the frontend	04:25
MythbuntuGuest42	sorry i am a total noob, i don't recall a volume setting	04:26
MythbuntuGuest42	i am running the mythtv configuration again right now	04:27
tritium	MythbuntuGuest42: not mythtv-setup	04:27
MythbuntuGuest42	oh, control centre?	04:28
tritium	No, the frontend.	04:28
MythbuntuGuest42	I am running a backend fronted setup, this is my only machine.	04:29
MythbuntuGuest42	i am in the frontend now	04:29
MythbuntuGuest42	utilities/setup	04:29
tritium	OK, good.	04:30
tritium	It's under General Setup, a few pages in.	04:31
MythbuntuGuest42	i see a page here with audio output device as the first thing	04:31
MythbuntuGuest42	it says ALSA:default	04:32
Greybear1	you can adjust volume of playback while you're playing	04:32
Greybear1	I think the default keys are "[" and "]"	04:32
Greybear1	playback settings are in mythfrontend, not mythtv-setup	04:32
Greybear1	mythfrontend is the program you see most of the time that plays TV, lets you schedule recordings, etc	04:32
Greybear1	it has sound playback settings and allows you to adjust volume during playback	04:32
Greybear1	you can set the default volume there	04:32
pteague	foxbuntu: you think i should download 8.04.1 then?	04:32
MythbuntuGuest42	okay, thank you. what should the default device be?	04:33
tritium	MythbuntuGuest42: on that page you're on, there is a Master Mixer Volume setting.	04:33
tritium	MythbuntuGuest42: don't change that, if your audio is already working. Just adjust volume settings.	04:33
Greybear1	is sound working?	04:33
MythbuntuGuest42	yes i just set that to 100,	04:33
MythbuntuGuest42	sound was working very low	04:33
MythbuntuGuest42	only on the internet streams, the audio from my videos was a clicking digital noise	04:34
foxbuntu	pteague, I would give it a shot, I had an issue with that as well	04:35
Greybear1	that's the default volume, but you can adjust it while you watch too	04:35
pteague	k, ty :)	04:35
MythbuntuGuest42	i sey the master mixer volume to 100 and still the audio is low, i have to turn my tv volume almost full to hear it	04:36
Greybear1	maybe the DSP or Front volume is still low	04:37
MythbuntuGuest42	front volume?	04:38
Greybear1	try running alsamixer or some other mixer program and adjust other volumes up	04:38
Greybear1	typical sound devices have various mixer channels	04:39
MythbuntuGuest42	are there settings outside of Myth that i can try?	04:39
Greybear1	try running alsamixer or some other mixer program and adjust other volumes up	04:41
tritium	I will return.	04:43
Greybear1	see you, McArthur	04:44
MythbuntuGuest42	how do i run alsamixer?	04:51
Greybear1	in a terminal	04:52
Greybear1	you can also use a GUI mixer program	04:53
MythbuntuGuest42	i opened alsamixer in a terminal and it looks like my master volume was set to almost zero. i am going to test now	04:55
Greybear1	I thought you configured the master higher in mythfrontend	04:57
MythbuntuGuest42	that is weird, i did use the mythfrontend to set the master to 100 but it seems that it did not take, it is loud as i want it now	04:58
Greybear1	strange	04:59
Greybear1	maybe the channel name didn't match	05:00
MythbuntuGuest42	the videos all sound great now too, thanks so much guys. this has been a 5 day install	05:02
Greybear1	hopefully you don't have to waste much more time	05:02
MythbuntuGuest42	the first three days was fighting old hardware, now i got new gear and it has gone smooth other than the volume issue.	05:02
Greybear1	good	05:03
MythbuntuGuest42	thanks again.	05:03
Greybear1	yeah, I had a MythTV system that ran fine for weeks, then would lock up at seemingly random times	05:03
acrousey	i'm trying to learn more about mythbuntu. My computer isn't set up for any of this kind of stuff. Before I do set it up for it though, I'd like to know how well mythbuntu would work with/as an analog TV. I don't have cable at home, so would I be able to hook a pair of antennas up to the computer?	05:03
Greybear1	after months of that, I swapped motherboards and the problem went away	05:03
Greybear1	yep	05:04
Greybear1	you probably only need one antenna	05:04
acrousey	would i even need the analog DTV converter box (for the US)?	05:04
MythbuntuGuest42	i had a pentium 4 2.4 ghz and an abit motherboard it would do weird things like jump to the desktop for no reason, it would do that during install as well	05:04
Greybear1	you mean mythfrontend would die and restart?	05:05
MythbuntuGuest42	it would not restart, i would just sit on the mythbuntu desktop. sometimes it would jump to a terminal window and freeze	05:06
Greybear1	sounds like a video driver problem	05:07
MythbuntuGuest42	ya, i had an ATI Radeon in at first, then i went and got a nVIDIA agp card that worked a little better, but not completely	05:08
Greybear1	there are so many combinations of video chip, driver, and motherboard the problems are almost endless	05:08
Greybear1	I have a Radeon 9600 in an Abit motherboard that's quite stable	05:09
MythbuntuGuest42	well i got a duo core pentium and an ECS motherboard with nvidia chipset, tried using a vga to DVI adapter but it was DVI-I and did not fit my tv, so I bought a GeForce 8400 card and it seems all good	05:10
tritium	Oh my. Enabling AC3 passthrough caused popping noises that damaged the TV audio. No matter what input it's on now, the audio output modulates on and off, and has a loud, whiny noise dominating.	05:11
MythbuntuGuest42	i was told by someone that the ATI cards did not work well wtih myth	05:11
Greybear1	that's very strange	05:11
Greybear1	well, that's not entirely correct	05:11
Greybear1	there are a huge variety of ATI cards and drivers for them	05:11
Greybear1	I specifically got an older 9600 that I knew had good driver support	05:12
MythbuntuGuest42	apparently not, that would have saved me some money if i could have gone ATI.	05:12
Greybear1	newer ATI cards may be a lot more problematic	05:12
MythbuntuGuest42	oh, well then i am glad i got what i did.	05:13
Greybear1	the video driver situation is a mess any way you look at it	05:13
Greybear1	it seems messier for ATI/AMD currently than Nvidia, but AMD is now cooperating with developers of Free drivers, so I expect it to improve a lot	05:14
MythbuntuGuest42	i did not get an amd setup because i was told it did not play nice with myth either	05:17
Greybear1	what do you mean by "AMD setup?"	05:18
Greybear1	AMD bought ATI, which is what I referred to	05:18
MythbuntuGuest42	AMD processor and supporting motherboard. I was planning on still getting a Geforce video card though	05:19
Greybear1	there's no reason not to use AMD CPUs	05:19
Greybear1	from what I've seen, they're generally a bit better value	05:20
Greybear1	if you want the fastest possible CPU, you probably want Intel, but that's not necessary for MythTV	05:20
MythbuntuGuest42	definitely a better value, but like i said i was told not to. my buddy built his first one on an AMD Sempron and he said he had to return it	05:21
Greybear1	why did he have to return it?	05:21
MythbuntuGuest42	he said he could not get it to work wtih myth, so he got the duo core and ecs mobo and all was well.	05:22
Greybear1	well, I'm sure it had nothing to do with the CPU	05:22
MythbuntuGuest42	i think he probably had driver issues	05:22
Greybear1	maybe it was the motherboard	05:22
Greybear1	there's very little difference between an AMD or Intel CPU at the software level	05:23
MythbuntuGuest42	i just wanted a working system so that i can dig into this world of Myth. we work for a company that makes media servers and they sell in the upwards of 30,000 us. it makes me laugh when i built a myht at work and it does more for far less!!!	05:25
Greybear1	hah!	05:25
Greybear1	who pays that much?	05:25
MythbuntuGuest42	people who have that much, most of the media server companies in the A/V world sell their systems for around that price. these usually serve stored music and dvd's, no tv support, no dvr support, no streams...	05:27
Greybear1	wow, I can't imagine wasting that kind of money	05:27
Greybear1	I need to get into that business	05:28
Greybear1	I could set up MythTV systems for a fraction and still make plenty	05:28
MythbuntuGuest42	exactly, it is actually pretty scary. my boss saw MythTv and was sold. I built one on the architecture of our media server( our case, our mobo, our processor...) he freaked	05:29
Greybear1	sounds like a big market waiting for some real competition	05:30
MythbuntuGuest42	then when i showed him i had IP control over it he became a huge fan	05:30
Greybear1	oh, you mean control over the network?	05:30
MythbuntuGuest42	well telnet control, i wrote code to control the MythTv with a whole house control system using the IP protocol	05:31
Greybear1	ok	05:31
Greybear1	as part of a home automation system?	05:32
Greybear1	do you use other packages for light control and integration with security systems and such?	05:32
MythbuntuGuest42	yes, anything that can be controlled.	05:33
Greybear1	nice	05:33
MythbuntuGuest42	i need to learn more about linux, i want to be able to read from the database where the cover art is held so that i can scrape it for info and display it back to touchpanels.	05:33
Greybear1	interesting	05:34
Greybear1	yeah, that probably isn't too hard	05:34
MythbuntuGuest42	not once i learn where and how it is stored	05:34
MythbuntuGuest42	well it was good chatting with ya, i need to get some data transfered to my new box. thanks again for all of your help	05:36
Greybear1	sure	05:36
Greybear1	it looks like it's the videometadata table	05:36
tritium	Man, if it's not one piece of hardware failing, it's another. What a week!	05:46
tritium	At least mythbuntu is playing nicely. =)	05:47
Greybear1	good	05:50
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tritium	Greybear1: yeah, I think one of my TV speakers is blown.	05:51
tritium	I hope it's just a speaker, and not circuitry.	05:52
Greybear1	and you think the AC3 stream did that?	05:52
tritium	I do.	05:52
Greybear1	wow	05:52
tritium	The AC3 is passing through on the SPDIF to my receiver, but the analog audio out to the TV got extremely loud and poppy.	05:53
Greybear1	you mean sound from the TV's internal tuner?	05:53
tritium	Any sound coming out of my TV is now highly distorted on the left speaker, yes.	05:54
Greybear1	yeah, sounds like damage	05:54
tritium	I had two audio outputs from my computer: SPDIF -> receiver, and analog -> TV. Most of the time I didn't turn on the receiver.	05:54
tritium	Now I have to.	05:54
Greybear1	I never messed with the TV's speakers since I planned to use a receiver	05:55
Greybear1	oh, so the digital audio out from the computer isn't connected to the TV?	05:55
tritium	Worst part: I bought the TV 8/13/05, and it had a 3-year warranty.	05:56
Greybear1	that sucks	05:56
tritium	No, digital audio out goes to the receiver.	05:56
tritium	Yeah, one week out of warranty.	05:56
Greybear1	oh, so it was the analog signal from the receiver to the TV that damaged the speaker	05:56
tritium	no, analog from the computer to the TV	05:57
Greybear1	oh, I thought the AC3 stream was what damaged the TV	05:57
tritium	When I enabled the AC3 passthrough, it screwed up the analog out from the computer.	05:57
tritium	It's just a choppy/poppy loud mess.	05:58
Greybear1	oh, now I understand	05:58
tritium	But, the SPDIF output does work when I enable the passthrough.	05:58
Greybear1	it probably was a transient that was too loud	05:58
tritium	Yeah.	05:58
Greybear1	but that still seems like a poor design of the TV to allow a line in signal to damage a speaker	05:59
tritium	Well, if the volume is too loud, it'll still blow them.	05:59
tritium	Also, there is clearly something wrong on the computer end that enabling passthrough would muck up the analog out.	06:00
Greybear1	I guess I figured the TV would be designed so as not to blow its own speakers, but I guess that's not reasonable	06:00
tritium	Yeah, I think it's possible.	06:00
Greybear1	had you had both analog and passthrough working simultaneously?	06:00
Greybear1	I didn't think most cards could do that	06:00
tritium	Not yet. I was trying to configure it.	06:01
Greybear1	even if the card can do it, MythTV can't normally	06:02
MythbuntuGuest91	I am running Mythbuntu 8.0.4 How do I enable encryptoed DVD support?	06:02
Greybear1	I think there's a button in MCC	06:02
tritium	MythbuntuGuest91: enable the medibuntu repository through MCC	06:02
tritium	Then, you'll need to install libdvdcss2. The codecs might be useful also.	06:02
Greybear1	yeah, for DVDs, you only need libdvdcss2, but for other videos you might need other codecs	06:03
MythbuntuGuest91	Thank you all.	06:06
Greybear1	welcome	06:06
tritium	Good luck, MythbuntuGuest91 :)	06:06
Aquahallic	evenin' folks	06:07
tritium	Hi Aquahallic.	06:08
Aquahallic	anyone running a nvidia 5200 with mythtv?	06:08
tritium	I have nvidia 6150.	06:08
Aquahallic	when I enable restricted drivers everything looks TERRIBLE	06:09
Greybear1	it doesn't work with the Free one?	06:09
Aquahallic	using nv you mean?	06:09
tritium	Yes, that's the free onel.	06:11
Greybear1	yeah	06:11
tritium	one*	06:11
tritium	Aquahallic: also, which restricted drivers package did you use?	06:11
Aquahallic	first I tried enabling restricted from within ubuntu itself	06:12
Aquahallic	then I tried the binary from nvidia's site	06:12
Aquahallic	both don't look right at all	06:12
Greybear1	you'll almost certainly have less trouble with the Ubuntu package	06:12
Aquahallic	ok	06:13
tritium	Yes, don't use downloads off of nvidia.com	06:13
Aquahallic	k.. guess I should uninstall that then	06:13
Greybear1	the contents are the same anyway, so the functionality wouldn't be any different	06:13
Greybear1	did MythTV work before you installed any proprietary driver?	06:14
Aquahallic	not well.. no	06:14
Greybear1	ok	06:14
Aquahallic	I have another box downstairs	06:14
Greybear1	yeah, I wouldn't expect it to with Nvidia	06:14
tritium	Aquahallic: nvidia-glx-new should work with your card, as should nvidia-glx	06:14
Aquahallic	I had to use the nvidia-legacy with that one	06:14
Aquahallic	think it's....... geforce 2 440	06:15
tritium	You said 5200	06:15
Aquahallic	that one... FLAWLESS	06:15
Aquahallic	yeah.. another box	06:15
Aquahallic	:)	06:15
tritium	ah	06:15
Aquahallic	this my 3rd machine in the house... kids keep TAKING them from me	06:15
Aquahallic	LOL	06:15
Aquahallic	so I put one in my bedroom this time..:)	06:15
tritium	I run nvidia-glx-new, with my 6150, and it works pretty well. I wish it had better support for overscan, though.	06:16
Aquahallic	I think I tried that one...:/	06:16
Greybear1	you have too much or too little overscan?	06:16
Aquahallic	and the new AMD one too	06:16
tritium	Greybear1: too much.	06:16
Greybear1	you can compensate for that in MythTV	06:16
tritium	I can correct it in mythtv, with the screen settings, but not X in general.	06:17
Greybear1	right	06:17
Greybear1	what do you display other than MythTV?	06:17
tritium	Yes, I've done so. But, it wouldn't work for a desktop monitor. I can't quite see the top and bottom panels.	06:17
tritium	Well, not much, other than occasionally xine, mplayer, vlc, or firefox.	06:17
Greybear1	you could probably get those other apps to start with good size using the -geometry option	06:18
Greybear1	well, some option which might vary with the app	06:18
tritium	Yes, but it would be nice to see the entire desktop, including the panels.	06:18
Greybear1	yeah, overscan sucks	06:19
tritium	Definitely :)	06:20
Aquahallic	ok.. question.... once I rip out this binary.... it's gonna jack my xorg.conf.... once I install the nvidia-glx-new isn't there a util that will rebuild it?	06:21
Greybear1	just make a backup copy if you're not sure	06:21
Aquahallic	but that's gonna backup the one for the binary isn't it?	06:21
tritium	Aquahallic: in general, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" should build you a good config.	06:21
Greybear1	yeah	06:21
Aquahallic	with "nvidia" as the driver?	06:21
Aquahallic	ahh.. that's what it was	06:21
Greybear1	it'll probably end up the same anyway	06:21
Aquahallic	my other boxes run too good... never mess with 'em	06:22
Aquahallic	forget this stuff....LOL	06:22
Greybear1	I keep several different variations of xorg.conf and a symlink to one of them	06:22
Greybear1	so, I can switch easily	06:22
Aquahallic	hrm	06:23
Aquahallic	that's a d@mn good idea	06:23
Greybear1	that was when I was having a lot of trouble figuring out the best configuration	06:23
Greybear1	once I get a working X configuration file, I make sure not to lose it	06:23
Aquahallic	just wish my tv would detect...:(	06:23
Greybear1	I thought all the messing around with X configuration was behind me until I got my TV	06:23
Greybear1	I thought: "It's DVI, so it'll be simple"	06:24
Aquahallic	yeah.. I have the one for my box in the livingroom backed up in 3 different places	06:24
Aquahallic	hehe	06:24
Greybear1	but no, the stupid TV with a native resolution of 1366x768 reports a mode of 1024x768	06:24
Aquahallic	:/	06:25
Aquahallic	have to build your own modeline	06:25
Aquahallic	?	06:25
Greybear1	with a lot of tweaking I managed to get a modeline that was almost exactly right	06:25
Greybear1	the TV doesn't seem to have a 1:1 pixel mapping mode, so it was still off by a pixel or two	06:25
Aquahallic	yeah.... they're brutal... I saw a calculator out there once when I was messing with my other box	06:25
Greybear1	but, with some Xorg upgrade, that modeline stopped working, so now I'm using 1280x720	06:26
Greybear1	it's not a big TV, so the loss of resolution isn't very noticeable	06:26
Greybear1	I learned the hard way that though TVs might have LCD displays, that doesn't mean they think digitally like an LCD monitor	06:28
tritium	Greybear1: what video card/chipset do you have?	06:28
Greybear1	apparently, mine treats even the DVI input as basically analog, though the quality is good	06:28
Greybear1	Radeon 9600	06:28
tritium	Ah, nice.	06:29
Greybear1	I made sure to choose one that would work well with Xorg's free radeon driver	06:29
Greybear1	3D doesn't work well, but everything else does	06:29
Aquahallic	well.. just ripped out nvidia's binary...:P	06:30
tritium	Nice. ATI support should be improving dramatically in the near future, I'd imagine.	06:30
Greybear1	yeah, that's what I'm hoping	06:30
Greybear1	the next card I buy will probably be AMD, though my desktop has an Nvidia now	06:30
tritium	Aquahallic: yeah, it's always better to stick with ubuntu packages when you can.	06:30
tritium	Especially when you start overwriting files that are under package management.	06:31
Aquahallic	yup.... true	06:31
Aquahallic	update broke it a little bit ago	06:31
Aquahallic	lol	06:31
Greybear1	I remember getting the Nvidia proprietary driver working manually a few years ago and it was a pain and a half	06:31
Aquahallic	you're not KIDDING	06:31
Aquahallic	but...	06:31
tritium	It would be so nice if I wake up in the morning, and my TV speakers just work.	06:32
Aquahallic	that one downstairs with the legacy drivers on it.... it REALLY looks sweet	06:32
Greybear1	good	06:32
Greybear1	yeah, if you find a working configuration, don't change it	06:32
Aquahallic	yup	06:33
Aquahallic	it took me FOREVER to get that right though....	06:33
Greybear1	that's why I keep backups of xorg.conf especially	06:33
Aquahallic	ok... I bounced my box after ripping that binary out	06:33
Greybear1	how high did it bounce?	06:34
tritium	I hope you didn't break anything.	06:34
Aquahallic	I guess it's using a generic vesa or something... cause I can't hardly read anything on the tv.. had to vnc in to see anything	06:34
Aquahallic	LOL	06:34
Greybear1	ok	06:34
Aquahallic	oh.. that's coming.. room's on the 2nd floor.. and I have a 11' deep pool out back...:)	06:34
Aquahallic	lemme grab this nvidia-glx-new package	06:35
Aquahallic	you guys were talking about the ATI drivers....	06:35
tritium	yes	06:35
Aquahallic	I put ubuntu on my dell inspiron 9200	06:35
Aquahallic	has a radeon 9600 or something in it	06:36
tritium	I have a radeon 7500 in my thinkpad	06:36
Greybear1	so, did it work well on the inspiron?	06:36
Aquahallic	got compiz working fairly well on it..	06:36
Aquahallic	yeah	06:36
Aquahallic	not great	06:36
MythbuntuGuest91	Is there a way to map dvd:// to /dev/dvdrw instead of /dev/dvd?	06:37
Greybear1	yeah, edit the udev config file	06:37
Aquahallic	got another question	06:37
Aquahallic	what's the deal with the nvidia kernel?	06:37
MythbuntuGuest91	Thank you!	06:38
Greybear1	I assume you want to make the DVD drive /dev/dvdrw instead of /dev/dvd?	06:38
Aquahallic	yeah... this thing came up using nvidia-glx	06:39
Aquahallic	so I'm putting the nvidia-glx-new on	06:40
MythbuntuGuest91	Greybear1 - Yes	06:40
tritium	Aquahallic: that's good	06:41
Greybear1	you can just make a symlink from /dev/dvd to /dev/dvdrw	06:41
Greybear1	that's a lot easier than editing udev configs	06:42
MythbuntuGuest91	inside the /dev/ directory? I didn't think that was a good idea	06:42
Greybear1	don't delete anything that's already there	06:42
Greybear1	but make all the symlinks you want	06:42
Greybear1	I'm not sure if the links you make will persist over a reboot	06:42
MythbuntuGuest91	I'll give it a try..it's only a VM	06:43
Greybear1	there's nothing really special about /dev except that it usually contains device special files	06:43
Greybear1	but it can contain directories, symlinks, hardlinks, FIFOs and normal files too	06:44
MythbuntuGuest91	Well the symlink worked. mplayer dvd:// launched against /dev/dvdrw but it crashed after starting the movie	06:45
Greybear1	probably something else	06:46
Greybear1	you can configure mplayer to use different device files too	06:46
MythbuntuGuest91	Yeah. I am testing mythbuntu in a VM Fusion environment on a Mac Pro	06:46
Aquahallic	uggghh.. I remember this mess... I put the nvidia-glx-new in and X chokes	06:46
Aquahallic	I just did a dpkg-reconfigure see what happens...:/	06:47
Aquahallic	hahahaha	06:47
Aquahallic	just lost my tv out	06:47
Aquahallic	:/	06:47
Aquahallic	it's ALL comin' back to me like a big ole nightmare....LOL	06:48
Greybear1	nvidia-xconfig might fix it	06:48
Aquahallic	package?	06:49
Greybear1	nvidia-glx-new	06:49
Aquahallic	ahh.. it's in the driver package	06:49
Aquahallic	thought it was a separate package	06:50
Aquahallic	bah.. I think it's this tv that's giving me a fit	06:53
Aquahallic	coming up in low graphics mode	06:53
Aquahallic	ok.. so... doesn't like nvidia-glx-new	07:02
Aquahallic	nvidia-glx works	07:02
tritium	Hmm, really?	07:03
Aquahallic	yeah	07:03
tritium	Sorry if I led you wrong there. From what I read, the 5200 was supported with -new	07:04
Aquahallic	man.. should Xorg be eating up lik 79% cpu watching livetv...:/	07:05
Aquahallic	this on a 2.6 gig P4 and gig of ram in this box	07:05
tritium	I'm off to bed. Good night.	07:07
Aquahallic	oh man.. now I remember what's going on with nvidia-glx.. my mythtv is all jerky...:/	07:07
* Aquahallic forgot about that mess		07:08
tritium	Aquahallic: did you configure mythtv to us xvmc?	07:08
tritium	That may help.	07:08
Aquahallic	that in the setup menus?	07:08
tritium	Yes.	07:08
Aquahallic	remember where off top of your head?	07:09
tritium	No, I'm sorry.	07:09
Aquahallic	k	07:09
Aquahallic	I'll see if I can find it	07:09
tritium	http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC	07:09
Aquahallic	thx for the help ..:)	07:09
Aquahallic	have a good night.. I'mma beat on this thing a little longer...:P	07:09
tritium	Thanks. Good night.	07:11
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Aquahallic	Mornin' folks	15:05
Aquahallic	anyone had any dealings with mythtv guide choking when you open it from livetv?	15:05
zabbadapp	i.e. live-tv in a "PiP" window with the epg? .... no problem here	15:06
Aquahallic	what video card you using?	15:07
Aquahallic	Nvidia?	15:07
laga	define "choking"? high cpu usage? that's caused by the deinterlacer for some reason	15:09
laga	a workaround was checked in the other day	15:09
Aquahallic	well... it seems that my Xorg runs at about 79% when viewing livetv... whether I'm in the guide or not	15:10
Aquahallic	which I thought was odd	15:10
Aquahallic	when I look at my dell laptop with an ATI card.. Xorg at practically nothing when viewing livetv	15:12
Aquahallic	something's not right... and no logs refer to anything wrong	15:12
Aquahallic	:/	15:12
Aquahallic	laga you still around?	15:40
Aquahallic	I just figured out why Xorg was chewing up so much cpu... I set "UseEvents" on my nvidia and it is MUCH better	15:41
Aquahallic	now it's like 2 or 3% watching livetv	15:42
MythbuntuGuest99	can someone tell me how to change my ip from static to dhcp using CLI	16:07
Greybeard	it's in /etc/network/interfaces	16:07
MythbuntuGuest99	when i type that it says /etc/network/interfaces not found	16:09
MythbuntuGuest99	i need to open it in a text editor right?	16:10
Greybeard	yep	16:10
MythbuntuGuest99	this is a new install and i don't think i have a text editor installed	16:10
MythbuntuGuest99	i don't know how to use pico	16:10
Greybeard	read the manpage for interfaces	16:10
MythbuntuGuest99	okay, thanks greybeard	16:11
Aquahallic	Mornin' Greybeard	16:15
Greybeard	hi	16:15
Aquahallic	thx for the help lastnight... got my card up and running pretty well now....	16:15
Greybeard	great!	16:16
Aquahallic	did windup still using nvidia's binary though... the free's wouldn't work right	16:16
Aquahallic	but.. it looks pretty good now	16:16
Greybeard	yeah, I didn't think the Free one would work well for Nvidia	16:16
Aquahallic	I use the proprietary on my other machine with a GeForce 4 M	16:17
Aquahallic	MX 440	16:17
Greybeard	the Free drivers for Nvidia have always been very inferior to the proprietary because Nvidia hasn't been cooperative	16:17
Aquahallic	and it works very well	16:17
Aquahallic	yeah... well... I'll take that over the mess I have with my ATI Radeon	16:17
Aquahallic	:/	16:17
Greybeard	neither one is a good situation currently	16:18
Greybeard	but there's hope for improvement using ATI/AMD	16:18
Aquahallic	well... open source is rapidly growing in leaps and bounds....	16:18
Greybeard	Intel might be a good choice too, but those only come integrated	16:19
Aquahallic	they're gonna all have to conform before too long	16:19
Aquahallic	need some other manufacturer to pop up and go full blown opensource and put some heat on the other guys....:P	16:20
Greybeard	since both Intel and AMD have, I think it's only a matter of time	16:20
Aquahallic	yeah.....	16:20
Aquahallic	if I could get my radeon to play nice with my compiz on my inspiron I'd be one HAPPY MOFO	16:21
Aquahallic	I have most all of it working now.... just when I spin my cube around with mythtv running on one side of it.... there's some issues with the overlays so you can't see the video all the way around	16:22
Greybeard	yeah, I've never gotten a Radeon card to work well for OpenGL using either radeon or fglrx, but it does work fine for Xvideo	16:22
Aquahallic	I'm using the free ATI driver right now	16:22
Greybeard	radeon or radeonhd?	16:23
MythbuntuGuest99	Greybeard: i keep getting an error saying i don't have permissions to save the file.	16:23
Aquahallic	sudo -s	16:23
Greybeard	you have to edit it as rood	16:23
Greybeard	root	16:23
MythbuntuGuest99	oh, thanks	16:24
Aquahallic	ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])	16:24
Aquahallic	17" widescreen laptop	16:24
Greybeard	so, you must be using radeon, since radeonhd doesn't support ones that old	16:24
Greybeard	I'm using a 9600 card in my MythTV machine, but I don't need OpenGL on that	16:25
MythbuntuGuest99	much better, thanks again	16:25
Greybeard	good	16:25
Aquahallic	yeah... I want it on my laptop though..:(	16:25
Greybeard	right	16:25
Aquahallic	I have about 11 computers in this house	16:25
Greybeard	wow	16:25
Aquahallic	so I just use this IBM T60 to work on...	16:26
Greybeard	I thought it 3 was a lot	16:26
Aquahallic	lol	16:26
Aquahallic	so my 17" widescreen laptop is really just a little tv that sits on my coffee table....LMAO	16:26
Greybeard	expensive for the size	16:27
Aquahallic	this T60 does have a Nvidia card in it.. with a duo core processor on it... I should dual boot this thing with ubuntu...:P	16:27
Aquahallic	yeah... it sure is...LMAO	16:27
Greybeard	what do you need Windows for?	16:27
Aquahallic	work	16:27
zabbadapp	Aquahallic: why? isn't it a pain to maintain them all?	16:27
* Aquahallic is an IT guy		16:28
Aquahallic	and.. most of them running linux.....	16:28
zabbadapp	you're hosting at home?	16:28
Aquahallic	they just run	16:28
Aquahallic	lol	16:28
Aquahallic	no	16:28
Aquahallic	3 kids... they got a desktop and a IBM laptop	16:28
Aquahallic	g'friend has a laptop	16:28
Aquahallic	1 backend mythtv	16:28
Aquahallic	3 frontends now	16:29
zabbadapp	ok makes sense	16:29
Aquahallic	got an asterisk pbx	16:29
Aquahallic	my work laptop	16:29
Aquahallic	and there's 2 more running around here doing odd jobs	16:29
Aquahallic	g'friend is a geek too.... so I make her take care of her's and the kids computers....LOL	16:30
Aquahallic	when she passes it over to me... it's REALLY broke by then...hehe	16:30
hume	hi... I have a regular ubuntu-installation, running gnome. Anyone knows what I need to add the possibility of a "mythtv"-session as well as gnome? I tried installing the mythbuntu-packages on top of existing mythtvfrontend, but i get problems with starting X (seems to start 2 x sessions)	16:31
Greybeard	sessions are defined in /usr/share/xsessions	16:32
hume	I mean, on other installations, I have had a special session, that I belive is openbox + mythtv, installed by some package - but not on this one	16:33
hume	found it, it was the ubuntu-mythtv-frontend package	16:37
Greybeard	I didn't know you were looking for it	16:38
hume	sorry, guess my question was somewhat unclear - i find it difficult to describe things like these	16:38
Aquahallic	hrm... what ya mean by another session?	16:38
* Aquahallic not real up to speed on X		16:38
MythbuntuGuest99	Greybeard: have you noticed when you do an IMDB search the movie posters are coming back as really low res	16:39
hume	x-session, now I can log in to Mythtv (openbox) instead of gnome	16:39
Greybeard	I haven't tried that function	16:39
hume	which is much lighter and I escape the dreadful default actions on DVD-insertion etc	16:39
MythbuntuGuest99	it is strange, i have noticed it for about the last couple of weeks.	16:39
Aquahallic	so how do you select between the 2?	16:40
Greybeard	the display manager such as gdm lets you choose	16:40
hume	yes	16:40
Aquahallic	hrm	16:40
Greybeard	but you may have to configure it not to automatically log in at startup	16:41
hume	but now... I have set myth to autoplay CDs on insertion, but it does not react... any ideas	16:41
Aquahallic	any errors in logs?	16:41
hume	Greybeard, my idea is to have it auto-log into myth, and then have a timed log in to gnome on log off.... so I can have myth as normal use, but easy acces to gnome	16:42
hume	Aquahallic, let me check	16:42
Greybeard	yeah, you can do that too	16:42
Aquahallic	hrm.. learning something here...:P	16:43
hume	nothing in the log about CD.... what should I look for?	16:43
Aquahallic	you looking in mythfrontend log?	16:43
hume	yes	16:44
Aquahallic	check messages	16:44
hume	message?	16:44
hume	/var/log/messages?	16:44
Greybeard	you may need to increase verbosity	16:44
* Aquahallic nods		16:44
Greybeard	the log is usually /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend	16:44
hume	how do I increas verbosity?	16:45
Greybeard	look at mythfrontend -v help	16:45
Aquahallic	hmm... I wonder if that would maybe kick something back about my guide choking in livetv	16:46
Aquahallic	hmmm	16:50
Aquahallic	is it normal for your launcher to have... mythfrontend --service	16:50
Greybeard	yes	16:50
Greybeard	that's not the real mythfrontend	16:51
Aquahallic	??	16:51
Greybeard	if you're using "/usr/bin/mythfrontend --service" you'll have to edit "/etc/mythtv/session-settings" to change log verbosity	16:54
Aquahallic	what do you mean by not the real mythfrontend??	16:54
Greybeard	well, look at it	16:54
Aquahallic	:/	16:54
Aquahallic	dunno what you're getting at	16:55
Greybeard	look at /usr/bin/mythfrontend	16:55
Aquahallic	in a txt editor ya mean?	16:55
Greybeard	notice how it's different from /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real	16:55
Greybeard	run "ls -lh /usr/bin/mythfrontend*"	16:55
Aquahallic	mythfrontend is a link	16:58
MythbuntuGuest91	Greybeard: if i want to use a second machine for my son, and have the ability to store content on his machine too do i use the secondary backend setup?	16:58
Greybeard	indeed	16:58
Greybeard	mythbackends record TV; is that what you want to do?	16:58
MythbuntuGuest91	i am just using them as movie and music servers	16:59
Aquahallic	hrm... links to a shell script....	16:59
Greybeard	if you want to use the machine as a file server, use Samba or nfsd	16:59
Aquahallic	so lemme guess.... it links to a sh script that probably sets up some parameters then calls out mythfrontend.real	17:00
Aquahallic	am I right?	17:00
Greybeard	well, read it	17:00
Aquahallic	heh	17:00
MythbuntuGuest91	i use mythtv to record dvd's and music and also use them to play it as well, i don't use the tv function	17:00
Greybeard	the parameters are in /etc/mythtv/session-settings	17:00
MythbuntuGuest91	so i don't have to have 50 dvd's laying around as my kids change their minds	17:01
Greybeard	if you want Windows machines to have access to the files, use Samba, if only *nix machines, use NFS	17:01
Aquahallic	yup	17:01
Aquahallic	I just saw that.... so it makes session settings be held in there... instead of passing the CLI args	17:02
Greybeard	well the real args it passes mythfrontend.real are in /etc/mythtv/session-settings	17:02
Aquahallic	right	17:02
Aquahallic	and it ignores any CLI args you pass directly to mythfrontend	17:03
Aquahallic	well.. here's a kicker for ya	17:03
MythbuntuGuest91	i guess what i am saying is that i will have two Mythtv setups, mine has a terrabyte of storage, his has 250 gigs, i will store majority of the media on my machine it also plays the media on my tv. his will play on his, if i set his up as frontend only i will not be able to store media there will i?	17:03
Greybeard	and I'll say again: if you want to share files between machines, use Samba or NFS	17:04
Aquahallic	when I did mythfrontend -v all and didn't use the --service switch.... my guide worked correctly	17:04
Aquahallic	go figure	17:04
Aquahallic	lol	17:04
Greybeard	it seems that if you don't specify --service, the script passes all args to mythfrontend.real	17:05
Aquahallic	MythbuntuGuest91 I have a standalone backend that sits in my basement... I run NFS and connect back to it with my frontends... I also run Samba on it so my g'friend can connect with her winblows box and dump movies and songs on it	17:05
Greybeard	I use only Samba on my server machine because Windows understands it and it works pretty well for GNU/Linux clients	17:06
Aquahallic	on my frontends I mount up /var/lib/mythtv to the backend NFS export of the same dir	17:06
Aquahallic	then I have one single point of storage and management for my media	17:07
MythbuntuGuest91	i just thought that was handled from the install disk at initial configuration	17:08
Greybeard	what was handled?	17:09
MythbuntuGuest91	the configuration of file sharing, i am not strong in the linux world and i thought that the install cd if i chose frontend setup would allow me to point to the server	17:09
Greybeard	MCC does have buttons to enable Samba and NFS	17:10
Aquahallic	did you use the mythbuntu cd?	17:10
Aquahallic	if so you can choose the role	17:10
MythbuntuGuest91	yes, i setup to use samba like i said to transfer from my windows machine	17:10
Aquahallic	and like Greybeard said.. there's options in there to enable them	17:10
Aquahallic	if I remember correctly though.. you ahve to setup your exports manually	17:11
Greybeard	Samba is independent of MythTV	17:11
Greybeard	you can install it on any machine regardless of which MythTV role or components are installed	17:11
Aquahallic	yup	17:11
Aquahallic	synaptics... search samba	17:12
Aquahallic	I did it all with CLI though.. and edited my exports manually so I'm not sure how much the gui stuff does for you	17:12
Greybeard	it's on the MCC "System Services" page	17:13
Greybeard	to enable Samba at least	17:13
Aquahallic	yeah	17:13
Aquahallic	does it let you set the dir to export out?	17:13
Aquahallic	and the users and permissions?	17:13
Aquahallic	or you gotta do those in a txt editor?	17:13
Greybeard	MCC doesn't seem to any configuration of shares	17:14
Aquahallic	yeah	17:14
Aquahallic	think it's smb.conf	17:14
Greybeard	I've usually used swat or just edited /etc/samba/smb.conf manually	17:14
Aquahallic	heh.. yup	17:14
Aquahallic	MythbuntuGuest91 did you use the same usernames and password for both machines?	17:15
MythbuntuGuest91	i have not set up the second machine yet, i originally set it up as backend/frontend because it was just for my son and his dvds i liked it so much i built one	17:16
MythbuntuGuest91	so i am going to reconfigure his, they have different user names, same password	17:16
Aquahallic	your life will be much easier if you make both the same user and pass	17:16
Aquahallic	otherwise you have permissions you have to set and all that mess	17:17
MythbuntuGuest91	i will do that	17:17
Aquahallic	if you have myth running with user X and pass Y	17:17
Aquahallic	then you build another box and make user X and pass Y then it will authenticate as that same user and inherit it's permission and have access to the same resources	17:18
Aquahallic	did I say that right Greybeard?	17:18
Aquahallic	LOL	17:18
Greybeard	well, it depends which accounts you're talking about probably	17:19
MythbuntuGuest91	in the setup of his machine do i need to put the ip address of my machine in the local backend address and master backend ?	17:19
Aquahallic	well if he used the mythbunutu install it's prolly just a standalone mythtv box... and logs in with that user and has the correct access to the dirs already	17:20
Greybeard	if you mount a Samba (CIFS) share with the Linux CIFS driver, I think it will match accounts	17:20
Greybeard	I'm not sure if the CIFS driver uses names or UIDs to match accounts	17:20
Aquahallic	so if he authenticates with the same user and pass from the frontend box.. then it should have the same access	17:20
Aquahallic	ahh	17:20
Greybeard	NFS uses UIDs, not names	17:20
Greybeard	CIFS may be the same	17:20
Aquahallic	I think if you use samba it uses names	17:20
Greybeard	well, if you use the Linux CIFS client specifically	17:21
Greybeard	if you use the smbfs client, users aren't mapped at all	17:21
Aquahallic	right... you setup the authentication in the samba.conf	17:21
Aquahallic	but it seems I remember it mapping names to uids or something in the setup	17:22
Greybeard	yeah, but I was talking about ownership and permissions	17:22
Aquahallic	been so long... I don't remember...LOL	17:22
Greybeard	Samba has a lot of options related to authentication and user mapping, but you usually don't have to change them	17:22
Aquahallic	yeah	17:23
Aquahallic	there's lots of wikis out there anyways that'll walk ya through it all	17:23
Greybeard	anyway, file sharing will be simplest if you make sure usernames, passwords, and UIDs match	17:23
Greybeard	Samba doesn't use the same password database as local logins, so you have to set them separately	17:24
Aquahallic	yeah I remember that... had to run a command to add them	17:24
Aquahallic	man.... been a while... I set that thing up.. and now it just runs... I don't ever have to mess with it	17:25
Greybeard	so, that's one reason to use NFS if you have a homogeneous network	17:25
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Aquahallic	Greybeard... if I run mythfronted --service then it passes what's in session-settings	17:33
Aquahallic	if there's nothing in there uncommented.. does it use all switches?	17:33
Aquahallic	or none?	17:33
Greybeard	what all switches?	17:34
Aquahallic	well... .here's what's going on	17:35
Greybeard	exec /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real --logfile "${MYTHFELOG}" "${MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS}"	17:35
Greybeard	that's the line in /usr/bin/mythfrontend	17:35
Aquahallic	if I run mythfrontend -v all then mythtv runs smooth and my guide works great in livetv	17:36
Aquahallic	if I run mythfrontend or mythfrontend --service that's when I have probs	17:36
Greybeard	run mythfrontend.real yourself to figure out what the offending options are	17:37
Aquahallic	you mean just exec that alone?	17:37
Aquahallic	no options	17:37
Greybeard	try it with no options then with the ones mythfrontend passes it	17:38
Aquahallic	I guess what I'm asking is.... see that mythfrontend_opts	17:38
Aquahallic	where are those options at?	17:38
Aquahallic	as in... what's populating that var	17:38
Greybeard	MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS is set in /etc/mythtv/session-settings I mentioned earlier	17:39
Aquahallic	ok.. there's nothing uncommented in there	17:39
Aquahallic	so WTF	17:39
Aquahallic	lol	17:39
Aquahallic	looks like it's passing no options	17:40
Aquahallic	and when I do pass an option like.. -v all it runs fine	17:41
Aquahallic	:/	17:41
Greybeard	if you want to see the exact command line of a currently running process, use "ps auxw\|grep mythfrontend.real"	17:41
Aquahallic	rich 6759 7.7 4.6 140540 47796 ? SLl 12:42 0:02 /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log	17:44
Greybeard	there you go	17:44
Aquahallic	so.. no args just passing off the logfile location	17:44
Greybeard	it only seems to be setting logfile	17:44
Aquahallic	well that's just WEIRD man... with no args.. my guide won't work.. if I use -v all it works great	17:44
Aquahallic	how on EARTH does that work	17:45
Aquahallic	LOL	17:45
Greybeard	must be a bug	17:45
Greybeard	see if you can narrow it down with a different -v option	17:45
Aquahallic	but.. if you don't spec a -v option	17:45
Aquahallic	it's not using any of them is it?	17:45
Greybeard	look at mythfrontend -v help	17:46
Aquahallic	yeah I did	17:46
Greybeard	"The default for this program appears to be: '-v important,general'"	17:46
Greybeard	it looks like there are a number of crash bugs related to the guide	17:50
Greybeard	http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/search?q=crash+guide&noquickjump=1&ticket=on&changeset=on&wiki=on	17:51
MythbuntuGuest91	okay guys i got the fresh install done, what do i do now to have it be able to retrieve content from my server? i enabled nfs and samba	17:52
Greybeard	you'll need to configure one	17:52
MythbuntuGuest91	is there anywhere i can read how to do that?	17:52
MythbuntuGuest91	if i open the conf file in an editor, i don't know what to do	17:54
Aquahallic	Greybeard... check this out	17:54
Greybeard	https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba	17:54
Aquahallic	if I use -v important... guide screwed	17:55
Greybeard	interesting	17:55
Aquahallic	if I use -v general... guide screwed	17:55
Aquahallic	if I use -v all	17:55
Aquahallic	works great	17:55
Greybeard	see if one of the existing bug reports matches what you see	17:55
Aquahallic	I didn't spec the logfile though so it's not going to my mythfrontend.log	17:56
Aquahallic	or it'd be slam full with -v all	17:56
Greybeard	see if you can find a specific -v option that prevents the crash	17:56
Aquahallic	let me try to set the -v all in the session-settings and let it pass the logfile	17:56
Aquahallic	k... but lemme set it to output to the logfile first.. see if it bombs	17:57
Aquahallic	I'mma set that arg in session-settings	17:58
Aquahallic	so it does all the other mess the script has it do.. see if it's still resolved... if so. .... then you're right... there's ONE of those -v args that's making it work correctly	17:58
Aquahallic	and I'll run it down and post it on one of the bugs so the devs can hone in on the prob	17:59
Aquahallic	:P	17:59
Greybeard	and if you should report the bug if you can narrow it down	17:59
Aquahallic	right	18:00
Aquahallic	ok... I just did... MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS="--verbose all	18:00
Aquahallic	so let's see what happens... now all the verbose msgs should populate in my mythfrontend.log	18:00
Aquahallic	:P	18:00
Greybeard	right	18:01
Greybeard	that much logging can slow the machine down	18:01
Aquahallic	yeah.. it's a 2.4 gig with 1 gig of mem though.. so.. let's see how it handles it	18:01
Aquahallic	:P	18:01
Greybeard	yeah, it won't bring it to its knees, but it will take a bunch of space and CPU usage of mythfrontend will probably go up	18:02
Easy_Rider9999	hallo! Is Ubuntu normally using metacity windows manager, I just had to uninstall and install something after the nvidia driver wouldn't run any more.	18:07
Greybeard	yeah, it's usually metacity	18:07
Aquahallic	huh....	18:07
Greybeard	unless you choose desktop effects of course	18:07
MythbuntuGuest91	i guess this is just beyond me, i don't understand what i am supposed to do	18:08
Aquahallic	well... when I uncomment their example... it won't even start	18:08
Aquahallic	when I recomment it... it starts up correctly	18:08
Aquahallic	:/	18:08
Greybeard	when you uncomment what?	18:08
Greybeard	MythbuntuGuest91: what are you trying to do?	18:08
Aquahallic	if you look at session-settings	18:08
Easy_Rider9999	I switched off desktop effects because I had performance problems with Mythtv: a lot of dropped frames and audio buffer overflows	18:08
Aquahallic	there's a commented line that sets the args	18:09
MythbuntuGuest91	i am just trying to have my sons mythtv box be able to play my media that is on my box	18:09
Aquahallic	MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS="--verbose all,nodatabase"	18:09
Greybeard	you need to mount the remote share to see the files locally	18:09
Aquahallic	when I uncomment that line.. mythfrontend --service won't even start	18:10
Greybeard	so, what happens when you start mythfrontend.real with those options?	18:10
Aquahallic	if I recomment it back... it happens	18:10
MythbuntuGuest91	i am such a newbie to this all, i don't understand the process. how do i mount that	18:10
Aquahallic	you mean try exec mythfrontend.real --verbose all,nodatabase	18:10
Greybeard	depends on which protocol it is	18:10
Aquahallic	directly??	18:10
MythbuntuGuest91	meaning samba or nfs?	18:11
Greybeard	yeah, that's a good way to see what's happening	18:11
Greybeard	yeah	18:11
Aquahallic	k	18:11
Easy_Rider9999	is it possible to give mythbackend a higher priority so that recordings cant get interrupted?	18:11
MythbuntuGuest91	when i go to system and shared folders the folders are smb	18:11
Aquahallic	works great and my guide works right	18:12
Aquahallic	so.. there's a freaking bug right there	18:12
Greybeard	https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba#CIFS	18:13
Greybeard	what options cause mythfrontend to crash?	18:13
Aquahallic	looks like it's not an option that is present that makes the guide hang... looks more like when an option isn't present it hangs	18:13
Aquahallic	cause with -v all it works fine	18:14
MythbuntuGuest91	do i mount it on my sons?	18:14
Aquahallic	and it doesn't crash it really... if you wait it out... it'll finally let it go.. then once you've backed out of guide everything works great	18:15
Greybeard	mounting a remote file system make the files on the remote server available	18:15
Greybeard	ok	18:16
Greybeard	that's very odd	18:16
MythbuntuGuest91	i suck at command line stuff, there is no gui way of doing this?	18:16
Aquahallic	yeah no kidding	18:16
Greybeard	there is in the same Wiki page	18:16
Aquahallic	and cpu doesn't spike	18:16
Aquahallic	no logs that pertain to anything	18:17
Greybeard	that describes how to do it in a GNOME session I believe	18:17
Greybeard	what do you mean "no logs that pertain to anything" ?	18:17
Aquahallic	well.. when I was running my launcher of mythfrontend --service and it was outputing to a logfile	18:17
Aquahallic	there were no errors in there	18:18
Aquahallic	or.. on my backend's log either	18:18
Aquahallic	it's real elusive	18:18
Aquahallic	now... when I just ran mythfrontend.real --verbose all,nodatabase	18:19
Aquahallic	there was no logfile declared..	18:19
Greybeard	if you don't tell it a logfile, it will just log to stderr I think	18:20
Aquahallic	ok so... if I wanted to pass off all those args	18:24
Aquahallic	mythfrontend.real -l /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log -v all,nodatabase	18:24
Aquahallic	??	18:24
Easy_Rider9999	is it possible to give mythbackend a higher priority so that recordings cant get interrupted?	18:32
MythbuntuGuest91	i give up, thanks for the direction guys, but i guess i just don't get it.	18:35
Greybeard	you don't get what exactly?	18:36
Aquahallic	Greybeard am I supposed to edit that sessions-settings directly?	18:38
Aquahallic	or should I be doing it somewhere else?	18:38
Greybeard	MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS="--verbose important,general,playback" is set in /etc/mythtv/session-settings	18:39
MythbuntuGuest91	i get lost in that i don't understand the commands, i am looking for a command by command guide, that will help me understand	18:39
Greybeard	well, that's what I have currently	18:39
MythbuntuGuest91	i guess not having a grasp on the terminology is what is hindering me	18:40
Greybeard	what term is confusing?	18:40
Aquahallic	right but when I uncomment the MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS then it won't launch	18:42
Aquahallic	if I comment that back in.. it launches....:/	18:42
Greybeard	any messages?	18:42
MythbuntuGuest91	i am not comfortable in the cli	18:42
Greybeard	so use a GUI	18:43
Aquahallic	nope	18:43
Aquahallic	but I just found out why	18:43
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Aquahallic	I didn't uncomment the mythwelcome var declaration	18:44
Greybeard	so you were running mythwelcome	18:44
Greybeard	if you use mythwelcome, it gets even more complex	18:44
Aquahallic	no I just ran mythfrontend --service	18:44
Greybeard	then, mythwelcome has its own command to start mythfrontend.real	18:44
Greybeard	if MYTHWELCOME was set to "true", you were using mythwelcome	18:45
Aquahallic	how's mythfrontend --service run mythwelcome	18:45
Aquahallic	:\|	18:45
Aquahallic	hahaha	18:45
Greybeard	how?	18:45
Greybeard	read it	18:46
Aquahallic	where the HELL is that set	18:46
Greybeard	I thought you just mentioned "mythwelcome var"	18:46
Aquahallic	ok	18:47
Aquahallic	now	18:47
Aquahallic	I've always had a launcher on my desktop	18:47
Aquahallic	mythfrontend --service	18:47
Aquahallic	that being said	18:47
Aquahallic	it should then run mythfrontend.real with the args that I set inside of session-settings	18:48
Aquahallic	right?	18:48
Greybeard	that's one way	18:48
Greybeard	or you could just keep using mythfrontend --service	18:48
Aquahallic	no I mean	18:49
MythbuntuGuest91	when i make a directory do i name it the same as the one i am sharing, /var/lib/mythtv/videos aready exist on both	18:49
Aquahallic	since I was using mythfrontend --service	18:49
Greybeard	you do need a directory on which to mount a remote filesystem	18:49
Aquahallic	that was in actuallity calling mythfrontend.real and adding the args that live in session-settings along with setting the logfile path	18:49
Greybeard	when you mount the remote filesystem, whatever's in the local one will be hidden	18:49
Greybeard	yeah, that's pretty much what mythfrontend --service does	18:50
Aquahallic	right	18:50
Aquahallic	so	18:50
Aquahallic	being that there was nothing uncommented in session-settings	18:50
Aquahallic	it was just using the default args	18:50
Aquahallic	along with adding the logfile path	18:51
Aquahallic	so... that being said... I wanted to set my own args in there	18:51
Greybeard	if MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS isn't set, it will contain an empty string	18:52
Aquahallic	right	18:52
Aquahallic	so I uncommented that	18:52
Aquahallic	and used --verbose all,nodatabase that was prepopulated there	18:52
Aquahallic	so	18:52
Aquahallic	that being said	18:52
Aquahallic	when I do... mythfrontend --service... it should	18:53
Aquahallic	set the logfile	18:53
Aquahallic	execute mythfrontend.real with the args that are stated in the MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS	18:53
Aquahallic	right?	18:53
Greybeard	that's what it looks like to me	18:53
Aquahallic	me too	18:53
Aquahallic	ok	18:54
Aquahallic	so... I uncomment the MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS	18:54
Greybeard	like I said, you can always check the actual command line running with ps	18:54
Aquahallic	and execute mythfrontend --service launcher	18:54
Aquahallic	and it does absolutely nothing	18:54
Greybeard	what about when you run it from a terminal?	18:54
Aquahallic	same I think	18:55
Aquahallic	lemme do that now but I'm sure I tried that	18:55
Aquahallic	sec	18:55
Aquahallic	ok.. hold up	18:56
Aquahallic	I think I see what's going on here	18:56
Aquahallic	when I uncommented the OPTS it then wanted to see the mythwelcome var set	18:57
Aquahallic	so until I uncommented that one it wouldn't run	18:57
Greybeard	oh, I see	18:57
Aquahallic	well	18:57
Aquahallic	it was set to true	18:57
Greybeard	so, set it to "false"	18:57
Aquahallic	so when I just exited out of mythtv	18:57
Aquahallic	it was at that mythwelcome screen and wouldn't lemme outta it	18:57
Aquahallic	yup.. that's what I'mma do	18:57
Greybeard	mythwelcome has an exit option in the menu	18:57
Greybeard	hit the menu key or "m"	18:57
Aquahallic	then the script should run properly and take those OPTS like we think it should	18:58
Greybeard	only one way to find out	18:58
Aquahallic	;)	18:58
Aquahallic	I'm rebooting the box now	18:58
Aquahallic	make sure everything's flushed out clean	18:58
MythbuntuGuest91	when i type sudo mount -a i get an error	18:59
Greybeard	what is it?	18:59
MythbuntuGuest91	retrying with upper case share name	19:00
MythbuntuGuest91	mount error 6 = No such device or address	19:00
MythbuntuGuest91	Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)	19:00
Greybeard	we're going to need more details to know what's happening	19:01
tgm4883_laptop	pastebin your fstab	19:01
Aquahallic	ugghhhh	19:02
Aquahallic	ok.. no joy	19:02
Aquahallic	if I set MYTHWELCOME=false	19:02
Aquahallic	does nothing still	19:02
Aquahallic	and if I set mythwelcome=false and comment out the OPTS it works	19:03
Aquahallic	:\|	19:03
MythbuntuGuest91	# /etc/fstab: static file system information.	19:04
Greybeard	as far as I can tell, MYTHWELCOME is only significant if it's set to true	19:04
MythbuntuGuest91	i cannot paste all of my fstab in here	19:04
tgm4883_laptop	!pastebin \| MythbuntuGuest91	19:04
Zinn	MythbuntuGuest91: when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel. Then please post the link in the channel.	19:04
Aquahallic	so do it in a pastebin MythbuntuGuest91	19:04
Greybeard	Aquahallic: what's your /etc/mythtv/session-settings exactly?	19:05
Aquahallic	sec I'll pastebin	19:06
MythbuntuGuest91	http://www.mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m5e87a94f	19:07
tgm4883_laptop	remove line 10	19:07
Aquahallic	http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d203d149a	19:07
tgm4883_laptop	IIRC, you can't have blank lines in fstab	19:08
Aquahallic	that works	19:08
Greybeard	also, if you use backslashes in a share name, you'll probably have to double all of them	19:08
Greybeard	and which doesn't work?	19:08
Aquahallic	but as soon as I uncomment that MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS it won't	19:08
Aquahallic	but	19:08
Aquahallic	if I uncomment MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS and set MYTHWELCOME to true it works	19:09
tritium	Good day. I'm a lucky guy. My TV is under warranty until Tuesday. They're going to come fix my speaker.	19:09
Greybeard	great!	19:09
tritium	:)	19:09
Aquahallic	sweet...:)	19:09
tritium	I couldnt' be much luckier than that, eh?	19:09
Greybeard	so, it expired just a bit later than you had thought?	19:09
tritium	Yes!	19:09
Greybeard	it seems it was a defective design	19:09
tritium	Indeed.	19:09
tritium	How's the nvidia working for you Aquahallic?	19:10
Greybeard	"proper" ones would fail as soon as the warranty expires	19:10
tritium	heh, no kidding	19:10
MythbuntuGuest91	i tried a way i found on a different forum to mount and share and when i try sudo mount -a it gives that error	19:10
Aquahallic	got it working great... but I had to use the binary	19:10
MythbuntuGuest91	i changed the things y'all said and still no joy	19:10
tritium	The one from nvidia.com?	19:10
Greybeard	MythbuntuGuest91: change your backslashes to regular ones	19:10
Aquahallic	but it's going very well now.. and found the Xorg option to bring my Xorg cpu use down right	19:11
Aquahallic	yeah... from nvidia.com	19:11
tritium	Aquahallic: really? Is it newer than what's in the repos?	19:11
MythbuntuGuest91	i did change those. here is the link i followed	19:11
MythbuntuGuest91	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=667580	19:11
tritium	Which option is that, Aquahallic?	19:11
Aquahallic	UseEvents	19:11
tritium	interesting	19:11
Greybeard	enabling UseEvents should usually reduce CPU usage	19:12
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, //192.168.1.129/videos != \\192.168.1.2\videos	19:12
tgm4883_laptop	to clarify	19:12
tritium	Glad to know.	19:12
tgm4883_laptop	/ != \\	19:12
Aquahallic	brought my cpu usage from Xorg from 79% down to 9%	19:12
Aquahallic	lol	19:12
tgm4883_laptop	__	19:12
tgm4883_laptop	/ \	19:12
tgm4883_laptop	oh so close	19:12
MythbuntuGuest91	http://www.mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m60e0da15	19:13
MythbuntuGuest91	that is what it looks like now	19:13
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, yes, that looks much better	19:13
MythbuntuGuest91	still doesnt work though	19:13
tgm4883_laptop	same error?	19:14
MythbuntuGuest91	yes sir	19:14
Greybeard	does "smbclient //192.168.1.2/videos" work?	19:14
Greybeard	is Samba running on 192.168.1.2?	19:14
MythbuntuGuest91	do i type that in terminal?	19:14
Greybeard	yes	19:14
MythbuntuGuest91	http://www.mythbuntu.pastebin.com/mb3ffdf8	19:19
MythbuntuGuest91	that is what happens when i do that	19:19
Greybeard	I believe that means you don't have a share called "video" defined	19:20
tgm4883_laptop	um	19:20
tgm4883_laptop	hmm	19:20
* tgm4883_laptop is reading backlog		19:21
Greybeard	so, let's see your smb.conf on 192.168.1.2	19:22
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, do you have a Ubuntu System?	19:22
vilemaxim	anybody else had a problem the myth connecting to mysql after an upgrade	19:22
vilemaxim	?	19:22
Greybeard	upgrade of MythTV?	19:22
vilemaxim	aptitude upgrade	19:23
tgm4883_laptop	err, bleh, um.....	19:23
Greybeard	so, what was upgraded?	19:23
MythbuntuGuest91	http://www.mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m73c6e980	19:23
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, are you planning on sharing these videos to a windows system?	19:23
MythbuntuGuest91	my main box where my media will be stored is 192.168.1.7, the client is the .2 address	19:23
vilemaxim	not really sure. I use debian and I'm not use to having to pay attention to upgrade breaking things. I figured if lots of people had the problem then people here might know the fix.	19:24
Greybeard	so, why were you trying to mount from 192.168.1.2 ?	19:24
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, was that in response to me?	19:24
Greybeard	well, if mythtv can't connect to mysql, the first thing to check is whether mysql is running	19:24
vilemaxim	Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)	19:25
MythbuntuGuest91	tgm4883_laptop: i am using MythBuntu	19:25
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, if you dont plan on sharing with windows machines, you could use NFS. Which IMO is a better solution	19:26
tgm4883_laptop	but first	19:26
tgm4883_laptop	lets try changing one thing	19:26
Greybeard	yes, NFS is easier if you don't need Windows	19:26
tgm4883_laptop	I actually think we almost got this	19:26
vilemaxim	I'm guessing my database must be messed up	19:26
tgm4883_laptop	vilemaxim, you shouldn't guess	19:27
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, your sons machine is the .2 address right?	19:27
MythbuntuGuest91	yes	19:27
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, your machine is the .7 then?	19:27
MythbuntuGuest91	correct	19:27
vilemaxim	tgm4883_laptop: what does that mean	19:27
vilemaxim	?	19:27
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, pastebin your sons /etc/fstab	19:27
Greybeard	probably exactly what it sounds like	19:27
Greybeard	if the database is damaged, optimize_mythdb.pl might fix it	19:28
vilemaxim	but I shouldn't run it unless I know?	19:28
tgm4883_laptop	vilemaxim, I see far too many people say stuff like "I can't connect to my db, so my db must be messed up"	19:28
tgm4883_laptop	then these same people go and reinstall the db	19:28
Greybeard	it's safe to run optimize_mythdb.pl	19:28
MythbuntuGuest91	that was my sons fstab, did i do everything in the wrong machine?	19:29
Greybeard	I have it run automatically daily, which is a good idea	19:29
tgm4883_laptop	vilemaxim, if your car didn't start, would you automatically replace the engine?	19:29
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, no, but i want to be sure of something	19:29
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, send me the link again	19:29
vilemaxim	tgm4883_laptop: I see you advocating a position without an alternative and I never said I was going to reinstall. so if you aren;t helping then you are just increasing the noise level.	19:30
Greybeard	MythbuntuGuest91: which machine is serving files and which is mounting?	19:30
MythbuntuGuest91	http://www.mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m60e0da15	19:30
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, theres your problem	19:31
tgm4883_laptop	/192.168.1.2/videos /var/lib/mythtv/videos/smb_videos cifs guest,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=unicode,unicode 0 0	19:31
MythbuntuGuest91	.7 is serving, i did the whole mounting thing on .2	19:31
tgm4883_laptop	should be	19:31
tgm4883_laptop	/192.168.1.7/videos /var/lib/mythtv/videos/smb_videos cifs guest,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=unicode,unicode 0 0	19:31
Greybeard	yeah, that's what I thought	19:31
tgm4883_laptop	you are trying to mount a samba share from the same machine, and that share doesn't exist	19:31
MythbuntuGuest91	so i mount on .7?	19:31
tgm4883_laptop	no	19:32
tgm4883_laptop	heh	19:32
tgm4883_laptop	on your sons computer. just change that line in fstab to be .7 instead of .2	19:32
tgm4883_laptop	save it, then do sudo mount -a	19:32
Greybeard	"//192.168.1.2/videos" means the share called videos on 192.168.1.2	19:32
tgm4883_laptop	to break it down a little more	19:33
tgm4883_laptop	"/192.168.1.7/videos" that first section is what/where you are mounting from	19:33
tgm4883_laptop	the second section "/var/lib/mythtv/videos/smb_videos" is where you want to mount it to (where on your computer)	19:33
MythbuntuGuest91	so how do i tell my sons computer to look there for content	19:34
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, the first section needs to have the ip address of the server computer, not the client computer	19:35
tgm4883_laptop	vilemaxim, do you use apt-get, aptitude, synaptic?	19:36
vilemaxim	Greybeard: yeah the optimize command is getting access denied. I cannot get to the database using mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg.	19:36
vilemaxim	tgm4883_laptop: I actually use the gui taskbar apt tool. Not sure what it's backend is.	19:37
MythbuntuGuest91	i did it all in the wrong computer, but i still don't understand how i get my sons computer to see the media	19:37
Greybeard	vilemaxim: then your password must have changed	19:38
vilemaxim	Greybeard: I changed it myself in attempt to get past this, but the new password is doing the same. fun fun	19:38
tgm4883_laptop	vilemaxim, how did you change the password?	19:39
vilemaxim	Greybeard: I can get in as root, but not mythtv	19:39
vilemaxim	phpmyadmin	19:39
vilemaxim	using user root	19:39
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, so who's computer is Samba Server set up on?	19:39
Greybeard	MythbuntuGuest91: have you mounted //192.168.1.7/videos ?	19:39
vilemaxim	When I login I get Unable to access MythTV Perl API. Try with --verbose to find out why.	19:39
Greybeard	vilemaxim: if you can connect as root, you can change the password for mythtv	19:39
MythbuntuGuest91	i have the same setup on both	19:40
vilemaxim	Greybeard: yeah I did that	19:40
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, ok	19:40
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, on your sons computer	19:40
Greybeard	and you can connect to mythconverg as mythtv?	19:40
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, change the fstab line to read	19:40
tgm4883_laptop	//192.168.1.7/videos /var/lib/mythtv/videos/smb_videos cifs guest,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=unicode,unicode 0 0	19:40
tgm4883_laptop	lets see what happens when we do that	19:41
vilemaxim	Greybeard: I get the same access denied error before and after changing the password	19:41
Greybeard	well, then you must not be giving the right password	19:41
tgm4883_laptop	vilemaxim, and you are on the same machine as the mysql server?	19:41
Greybeard	mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg	19:41
MythbuntuGuest91	but i never mounted anything on my computer	19:41
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, right, just do it ;)	19:42
MythbuntuGuest91	done	19:43
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, ok, does "sudo mount -a" still give an error on your sons computer?	19:43
MythbuntuGuest91	no that worked	19:43
tgm4883_laptop	ok	19:43
MythbuntuGuest91	no error	19:44
tgm4883_laptop	is it mounted at /var/lib/mythtv/videos/smb_videos	19:44
vilemaxim	Greybeard: thanks for the sanity check.... I must of messed up the password when I updated mysql.	19:44
MythbuntuGuest91	how do i check?	19:44
vilemaxim	tgm4883_laptop: yeah... looks like user error	19:44
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, "ls /var/lib/mythtv/videos/smb_videos"	19:45
Greybeard	vilemaxim: the real question is why you messed with mysql at all	19:45
tgm4883_laptop	and see if your movies are in there?	19:45
vilemaxim	Greybeard: because I was getting access denied	19:45
tgm4883_laptop	Greybeard, I see it all the time	19:45
MythbuntuGuest91	yes they are in there	19:46
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, sweet	19:46
MythbuntuGuest91	this is getting exciting	19:46
MythbuntuGuest91	now what?	19:46
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, ....	19:46
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, what else do you want to do?	19:47
MythbuntuGuest91	i want to see the videos when i browse in mythtv ui	19:47
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, all I knew was you wanted to mount your videos on your sons computer	19:47
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, and we did that ;)	19:47
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, Mission Accomplished	19:47
MythbuntuGuest91	yes we did, now how do i see them and play them on his pc?	19:47
Greybeard	if you want to see the videos in mythvideo, you have to make sure the right path is set	19:47
tgm4883_laptop	ah	19:48
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, thats the easy part ;)	19:48
MythbuntuGuest91	excellent	19:48
tgm4883_laptop	Greybeard, can you handle it from here? I'm trying to get some stuff packaged for 8.10 release	19:49
vilemaxim	where does mysql look for it's password	19:49
MythbuntuGuest91	tgm4883_laptop: do i just add that directory in mythtv setup?	19:50
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, no, in the frontend	19:50
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, in the frontend, under setup > media setup > mythvideos	19:51
tgm4883_laptop	or something like that	19:51
Greybeard	ok	19:51
Greybeard	mysql stores its passwords internally	19:51
Greybeard	you shouldn't mess with that	19:52
vilemaxim	I meant mythtv	19:52
vilemaxim	mythtv for mysql	19:52
Greybeard	"/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt" contains mysql connection parameters	19:53
tgm4883_laptop	Greybeard, but thats not where to change that info	19:53
tgm4883_laptop	thats just basically a readonly type of thing	19:53
Greybeard	what do you mean?	19:53
Greybeard	"vilemaxim: where does mysql look for it's password"	19:54
Greybeard	that's where it looks	19:54
MythbuntuGuest91	now when i go to watch videos i have to navigate through different folders to get to the movies, can i mount to /var/liv/mythtv/videos instead of /var/lib/mythtv/videos/smb_videos?	19:54
MythbuntuGuest91	would that just put my videos right in his video directory?	19:55
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, actually, what you probably want to do is mount it at /var/lib/mythtv/smb_videos	19:56
Greybeard	you can tell mythvideo to look in any directory	19:56
tgm4883_laptop	then in mythtv frontend in the setting you were just at	19:56
tgm4883_laptop	have mythvideo look in multiple directories	19:56
tgm4883_laptop	but if you mount one inside the other and have mythvideo look at multiple directories you will have issues	19:57
Greybeard	right, no need to do that	19:58
Aquahallic	ok... question	19:59
Aquahallic	if I wanted to just execute mythfrontend.real with 2 args	19:59
MythbuntuGuest91	what i am doing is allowing some media to be stored on his machine as well as read from mine, when i put the two directories in i have to browse to which directory i want to use, just kind of clunky that way	20:00
Aquahallic	like... mythfrontend.real --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log --verbose all,nodatabase	20:00
Aquahallic	what's the correct syntax?	20:00
Greybeard	MythbuntuGuest91: Mythvideo has several modes	20:01
Greybeard	some flatten the tree	20:01
MythbuntuGuest91	i did not know that	20:02
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, yes, what you want to do, is move your mount point	20:02
Greybeard	get the menu while you're in Mythvideo	20:02
Greybeard	I'm not sure moving the mount point will do what is desired	20:02
tgm4883_laptop	Greybeard, if you move the mountpoint outside of /var/lib/mythtv/videos then it won't show up as a sub folder of it	20:03
Greybeard	but two different folders need to be searched for videos	20:03
Greybeard	if you use Mythvideo's tree mode, they will always appear separate	20:04
tgm4883_laptop	Greybeard, right	20:04
tgm4883_laptop	so in mythvideo setup	20:04
MythbuntuGuest91	i moved it into the original and it did what i was looking to do,but if that is going to cause problems i will use the tree mode	20:04
Greybeard	if you use one of the other modes, it'll flatten the tree	20:04
tgm4883_laptop	instead of doing /var/lib/mythtv/videos	20:04
tgm4883_laptop	you do	20:04
tgm4883_laptop	/var/lib/mythtv/videos: /var/lib/mythtv/smb_videos	20:04
MythbuntuGuest91	tgm4883: i did that first, but did not mess with the tree settings	20:05
Aquahallic	tgm4883_laptop do you know what the correct syntax would be to run mythfrontend.real with multiple switches?	20:05
Aquahallic	hah... got it	20:07
vilemaxim	Greybeard: looks like my real problem is the table recordmatch "is marked as crashed". This is from syslog. I should have checked there first I guess	20:09
Greybeard	like I said, run optimize_mythdb.pl	20:09
vilemaxim	I'm getting a access denied on that	20:10
Greybeard	if it can't connect, I doubt other mythtv apps can	20:11
vilemaxim	myth front end seems unaffected.. can see videos, guide seems to work	20:13
vilemaxim	Greybeard: is it possible that it stores looks for the password it a different place	20:13
Greybeard	make sure ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt points to /etc/mysql/mythtv.txt	20:14
vilemaxim	it does. I changed the user name in /etc/mysql/mythtv.txt and it still showsDBI connect('database=mythconverg:host=localhost;port=3306','mythtv',...) failed: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost'	20:16
vilemaxim	hardcoded?	20:16
Greybeard	optimize_mythdb.pl should be using the same config as any other myth app AFAICT	20:17
Greybeard	it starts with:	20:17
Greybeard	# Includes	20:17
Greybeard	use DBI;	20:17
Greybeard	use MythTV;	20:17
Greybeard	# Connect to mythbackend	20:17
Greybeard	my $Myth = new MythTV({'connect' => 0});	20:17
Greybeard	# Connect to the database	20:17
Greybeard	$dbh = $Myth->{'dbh'};	20:17
Aquahallic	Greybeard	20:18
vilemaxim	yeah I was looking through there myself	20:18
vilemaxim	but I have DBUserName=root	20:18
vilemaxim	as a test	20:19
Aquahallic	remember how when you run the mythfrontend --service	20:19
Aquahallic	it should only run as default general,important	20:19
Greybeard	well, that's mythfrontend's default log level	20:19
Aquahallic	so when I had everything commented out	20:19
Aquahallic	in session-settings	20:20
Aquahallic	that's what you'd expect it to do	20:20
Greybeard	yes	20:20
Aquahallic	well	20:20
Greybeard	unless you're using mythwelcome	20:20
MythbuntuGuest91	greybeard: now everytime i try to mkdir /var/lib/videos/smb_share it puts smb_share inside of the videos folder, is that right?	20:20
Aquahallic	I just did mythfrontend.real --logfile /var/lib/mythtv/mythfrontend.log --verbose general,important	20:21
Aquahallic	runs great	20:21
Greybeard	yes, that would create a new directory in /var/lib/videos called videos	20:21
Greybeard	ok, good	20:21
Aquahallic	so there's something in that mythfrontend script that's causing probs	20:21
Greybeard	do you have MYTHWELCOME set to true?	20:22
tgm4883_laptop	vilemaxim, if I were you, i'd try resetting the mythtv password	20:22
tgm4883_laptop	you might be able to get away with just "dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common"	20:22
tgm4883_laptop	but if that doesn't work you will need to do "dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database" before that	20:23
Greybeard	not "dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database" ?	20:23
tgm4883_laptop	Greybeard, well I'm trying to get away with not having to do that, but it might be needed first. The reason is that he already knows what the mythtv password is because he set it using phpmyadmin	20:23
Greybeard	ok	20:24
Greybeard	I thought he was connecting as root	20:24
tgm4883_laptop	that is true	20:24
tgm4883_laptop	hmm	20:24
tgm4883_laptop	eh, do both	20:24
tgm4883_laptop	the -database one first	20:24
vilemaxim	I can connect directily to mysql using root or mythtv	20:26
Greybeard	what does reconfiguring mythtv-common do?	20:26
vilemaxim	I reset the password to what it was in the beginning, before I started changing things, and I still get an access denied	20:26
tgm4883_laptop	thats the common data used by both the frontend and backend	20:27
tgm4883_laptop	IIRC, like password ;)	20:27
MythbuntuGuest91	can i unmount what i did when i put the mount point in videos?	20:27
tgm4883_laptop	MythbuntuGuest91, yes, "sudo umount /var/lib/mythtv/videos/smb_videos"	20:28
tgm4883_laptop	Greybeard, plus, that is the correct way to change the password in mythtv	20:29
tgm4883_laptop	vilemaxim, ^	20:29
Greybeard	mythtv-common changes the mysql password?	20:29
MythbuntuGuest91	it said unmount command not found	20:29
Greybeard	the command is "umount"	20:30
tgm4883_laptop	Greybeard, you have to reconfigure both	20:30
MythbuntuGuest91	that would be why it said that	20:30
tgm4883_laptop	-database and -common	20:30
Greybeard	ok, I didn't know -common did anything with password	20:30
Greybeard	that's good to know	20:31
tgm4883_laptop	Greybeard, yes, I believe thats where the password is actually used by mythtv	20:31
tgm4883_laptop	not /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt	20:31
Greybeard	what do you mean?	20:31
Greybeard	"/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt" is the file all MythTV components should be using	20:31
tgm4883_laptop	I don't really deal all that much with the mythtv packages, I do more extra application stuff	20:32
Greybeard	sometimes they might look in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt, which is why that's a symlink	20:32
tgm4883_laptop	Greybeard, IIRC, technically they should never use /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt	20:32
Greybeard	so, you mean they should use ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt ?	20:32
Greybeard	that wouldn't make sense for mythbackend	20:33
vilemaxim	I got the optimize program to run	20:33
tgm4883_laptop	IIRC, there shouldn't be a mysql.txt	20:33
Greybeard	good	20:33
vilemaxim	in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl I fond a place where it put the plan text password	20:33
Greybeard	so, where should MythTV look to get its database connection parameters?	20:33
tgm4883_laptop	heh, this is where you stretch my knowledge of mythtv ;)	20:34
vilemaxim	I put what mine was.... not sure why it wasn't looking in my mysql.txt,	20:34
tgm4883_laptop	but internally	20:34
vilemaxim	I only have a simple understanding of perl so	20:34
foxbuntu	tgm4883_laptop, Obama '08!	20:35
foxbuntu	tgm4883_laptop, Obama '08!	20:35
foxbuntu	tgm4883_laptop, Obama '08!	20:35
foxbuntu	tgm4883_laptop, Obama '08!	20:35
foxbuntu	tgm4883_laptop, Obama '08!	20:35
foxbuntu	tgm4883_laptop, Obama '08!	20:35
tgm4883_laptop	!politics	20:35
foxbuntu	lol	20:35
MythbuntuGuest91	greybeard: i did not see any settings to flatten tree, where are they located? it does the same thing with showing two directories	20:35
Zinn	Politics and other touchy subjects (see Ubuntu irc guidelines https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines) are not permitted in this channel. Please take those subjects to #off-topic or ##politics. Repeat offenders may be banned.	20:36
vilemaxim	now mythtv is allowing me to schedule recordings, which was my original problem.	20:37
vilemaxim	Thanks Greybeard you were a lot of help!	20:37
Greybeard	MythbuntuGuest91: in MythVideo, get the menu and switch to browse view	20:37
Greybeard	sure, you're welcome	20:38
MythbuntuGuest91	i found it,thanks a million guys, greybeard you are a champ for sticking with me this long	20:38
vilemaxim	though I'm still not sure why I hard to hardcode it	20:38
Greybeard	yeah, that doesn't make any sense	20:38
Greybeard	sure	20:39
vilemaxim	I might have some other problem not showing itself yet. won't that be fun. Anyway. Thanks again	20:39
Greybeard	MythbuntuGuest91: in setup, you can choose the default view too	20:39
zabbadapp	what is the newest (best?) firmware for nova T500 dvb? I've got dvb-usb-dib0700-1.10.fw but is getting sudden bursts of bad and blocky picture ...	20:42
Greybeard	and you're sure it's not a reception problem?	20:43
zabbadapp	no i'm not but the pattern is so unpredictable .. could work perfect for hours, and suddenly it goes blocky and skippy .. no change in weather or such ... i got a constant signal strength of about 52%	20:45
Greybeard	well, I've not seen a strong pattern in my reception problems for some channels	20:45
Greybeard	I have some channels that are perfect most of the time and some that are perfect sometimes and unwatchable others	20:46
Greybeard	I don't know anything about nova cards, so they may have firmware related problems	20:46
MythbuntuGuest91	pretty awesome it is working nicely now,	20:52
Greybeard	great!	20:53
Greybeard	and you learned a lot, right?	20:53
MythbuntuGuest91	Greybeard: after we did all of this mounting nonsense, are the movies actually saved on his computer, or just played?	20:53
MythbuntuGuest91	oh man i learned a lot, thanks	20:53
Greybeard	how do you save the movies?	20:54
MythbuntuGuest91	well they are stored on my computer, but when we did that mount and he can see them on his pc, are they just being served from mine to his and not being stored on his machine?	20:54
Greybeard	yes, mount means to make them available locally	20:55
Greybeard	but the files are not transferred to a different hard drive	20:55
MythbuntuGuest91	wow, i can't believe the quality of the stream to his pc, and i am running the same movie on mine	20:55
Greybeard	if you've used Windows file sharing (Network Neighborhood) you should already be familiar with the concept	20:55
Greybeard	yeah, it'll be exactly the same	20:56
MythbuntuGuest91	i was expecting my machine to stumble since it has to serve the movie to his pc and play it on mine	20:56
Greybeard	serving the files over the network isn't demanding	20:57
Greybeard	it's much less demanding than decoding and displaying the video	20:57
MythbuntuGuest91	i get windows concepts just fine, linux is new waters for me, i like doing things in command format, just used to GUI's though	20:57
Greybeard	for example, I have a fileserver machine running a Via C3 800MHz CPU	20:57
Greybeard	well, you're using the same system that Windows uses for file sharing, but the tools are different	20:58
MythbuntuGuest91	so the frontend does all the work.	20:58
Greybeard	yes, mythfrontend reads the file (whether it's on the local hard drive or remote), decodes and displays it	20:58
MythbuntuGuest91	i was telling someone on here last night the company i work for makes and sells media servers that record dvd's and cd's and play back with special decoders. we sell them for upwards of 30,000 us dollars	20:59
Greybeard	yeah, I remember	21:00
Greybeard	I'm dumbfounded that anyone would pay that much	21:00
MythbuntuGuest91	oh it was you? sorry, it was late and this all runs together	21:00
Greybeard	yeah, it was me	21:00
MythbuntuGuest91	well again thanks for the full serving of knowledge, i will chat with you soon.	21:01
Greybeard	sure, you're welcome	21:01
destructar	hi, i'm unsuccessfully trying to use the old apple bluetooth keyboard with a d-link bluetooth dongle	21:14
destructar	anyone have experience with this?	21:15
destructar	i had it working under mythbuntu 7.10 but can't seem to get this working for 8.04	21:15
destructar	hcitool scan fails, the bluetooth preferences fails, i've ran through just about every message board but continue to fail	21:16
laga	destructar: i think superm1\|away uses one	21:21
laga	you'll have to wait for him to come back	21:21
destructar	ok cool	21:21
destructar	thanks for the info... this is extremely frustrating :)	21:21
balz	is it okay to ask a question about mt-daapd here?	21:47
balz	I'm going to assume it is... here goes...	21:48
balz	mt-daapd is running but fails to serve any files. Also, the webUI reports Bonjour as stopped even though i have installed and started avah-daemon. Output of mt-daapd -f here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40001/ Any ideas?	21:48
Greybeard	opendir: Permission denied seems like a big clue	21:49
balz	Greybeard: yeah but my user can create directories in there... that's what i don't get	21:50
Greybeard	which dir can't it open?	21:50
balz	i've tried using a terminal, cding into /var/lib/mythtv/music and then cd-ing into a subdirectory (my music is organized by artist)	21:50
balz	but i then have no problem using mmkdir	21:50
balz	Greybeard: my music is in /var/lib/mythtv/music ... i'm not sure which directory it can't open	21:51
balz	and the 2nd to last line also confuses the living hell out of me...	21:52
Greybeard	I'm afraid I don't have any experience with daap	21:52
balz	haha nor do i...	21:52
balz	out of curiosity though. is there a way to check which user mt-daapd is using to try to access those directories?	21:52
balz	then again i think i gave up and did chmod 777 ... so i dunno if it even matters	21:53
Greybeard	since you used sudo, probably root	21:53
balz	yeah that would be my guess	21:53
Greybeard	that's a local directory, right?	21:53
balz	yes, relative to the server	21:53
balz	i'm ssh-ing into the machine but the directory is on the server running mt-daapd	21:54
Greybeard	I'm not sure what relative means	21:54
Greybeard	ok	21:54
balz	oh linux...	21:54
Greybeard	it seems your problem is with mt-daap	21:55
balz	yeah	21:55
destructar	anyone have any idea why mythbuntu-lirc-generator will only give me a blank file?	22:46
destructar	i have lircd.conf set up correctly	22:46
destructar	*gives me a blank lircrc file in ~/.mythtv	22:47
pteague	ok, i downloaded 8.04.1 last night, ran md5sum against the iso before i burned it, booted up the new box with it & had it check the cd & it said there was no problems with the cd... & when i attempt to do the gui install i get this - http://pastebin.com/m3c6b46b3	23:51
=== gbutters is now known as gbutters_afk
foxbuntu	pteague, I ran into this as well, there is some issue with 8.04 and certian chipsets, go for the Alternate Disk	23:58
foxbuntu	pteague, its not GUI install but its not hard to use	23:58
pteague	k, thanks yet again :)	23:59

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