[00:22] anyone here? [00:23] yes [00:23] !hi [00:23] Thanks for being polite. But we are so dang awesome at solving problems that we wish you would just ask your question. Thanks. [00:25] has anyone had problems with movie posters being low res when downloaded? [00:28] i guess that is a no [02:31] I too am experiencing https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/249446. [02:32] yeah, the multirec changes weren't good for LiveTV [02:32] Hi Greybear1. SiliconDust sent me a new power adapter, and I'm back in business with my HDHomeRun. [02:32] actually, I've never been very satisfied with LiveTV behavior, but I hardly use it anyway [02:32] great! [02:32] :) [02:36] So, Greybear1, how does one change tuners, then? [02:36] the menu [02:36] switch input [02:36] OK. [02:45] Greybear1: if you couldn't tune a channel in mythtv, but the output of azap told you that FE_HAS_LOCK, what would you try? [02:45] you mean MythTV wouldn't get a tuning lock? [02:45] Yes. [02:45] move the antenna up [02:46] The azap output doens't indicate it's receiving the channel just fine? [02:46] I'm not sure [02:46] It's very odd -- it's only one channel that I have trouble with over-the-air. [02:47] what error rate does azap show? [02:47] Ah, good idea. let me check. [02:48] in particular, pay attention to the number of unrecoverable erros [02:48] errors [02:48] Wow, bit error rate is 0 [02:48] that can't be right [02:48] status 1f | signal 8070 | snr 118f | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK [02:48] yeah, ber 0 can't be right [02:49] that's a very low snr [02:49] I'll keep experimenting. Thanks :) [02:49] basically, I think you have to get a bigger/better antenna, aim it better at the transmitter, and raise it higher [02:50] one or all of those things [02:52] I've currently got a DB2, which is supposed to be one of the best, and I'm only 5.7 miles from the transmitters. [02:52] And, it really is only one channel. The others come in perfectly. [02:52] antenna? [02:52] Yes, DB2 antenna. [02:52] maybe the frequency is wrong [02:52] http://www.antennasdirect.com/DB2_Indoor_antenna.html [02:53] ok [02:53] I've got a http://www.engadget.com/2004/11/01/terks-hdtvo-hdtv-antenna/ on a tree in my back yard [02:53] Nice. [02:54] the stations are more like 20 or 30 miles away I think [02:54] there are some I often have trouble receiving [02:54] This one has occasionally worked for me: http://www.antennasdirect.com/SR15_HDTV_Antenna.html [02:54] (for the one channel at issue) [02:55] I wonder if my property is in a null, or something, where I just can't get this channel too reliably. [02:55] you're sure it's only 5 miles away? [02:55] Yes. I can see it on top of the mountain. [02:56] that does seem odd [02:56] I'm only a few miles from the foothills, and the top of the mountain is at ~11kft. [02:56] So, there's no line-of-sight issues ;) [02:56] what about other tuners? [02:56] All the same issue. [02:56] how well do other tuners receive that station? [02:56] regular TVs or anything [02:57] All receive them poorly. TV tuner, DViCO, HDHomeRun, etc. [02:57] ok, so it is a signal strength issue [02:57] Yes. [02:57] it's not something with a particular tuner [02:57] I'm hoping once stations shut down their NTSC transmitters, they'll turn up the power on the ATSC ones [02:58] No. It's just odd that every other channel (also on transmitters on the same towers on the mountain) work fine. [02:58] Yes, I hope so too. [02:59] maybe that station just transmits with much lower power than the others [03:00] Perhaps so. I hope things improve in Feb. [03:10] hey guys [03:10] i'm having trouble setting up an IR blaster [03:11] myth is picking up the channel changing, but it's not translating to the STB [03:28] is there something newer than 8.04 mythbuntu that i should be trying? [03:29] isn't the STB channel changing done by an external script? [03:29] modprobe is exiting unexpectedly & leaving me at an initramfs prompt [03:32] Greybear1: I just dropped my channels.conf (produced with azap) into my ~/.xine directory, and xine is playing the channel I've had trouble with perfectly. [03:32] strange [03:33] indeed [03:33] but a regular TV has trouble receiving the same channel? [03:33] Yes. [03:33] is the TV receiving NTSC or ATSC? [03:33] ATSC. [03:33] and the TV's connected to the same antenna? [03:34] Not currently, no. [03:34] well, that could be why it's not receiving well [03:34] Since I've had so much trouble with OTA, I connected the TV to cable. [03:34] No, I'm not that dumb. ;) I'm not trying to receive OTA with the TV any longer. [03:34] But it's had trouble in the past, when I've had the antenna hooked up. [03:35] oh [03:36] It seems to take longer to buffer in xine than other channels, but once it does, it's perfect. [03:37] so, I guess you need to make sure MythTV is using the same frequency as azap and Xine [03:37] i'm having trouble setting up my IR transmitter/blaster to work with dish [03:37] that's stored somewhere in a mysql database? [03:37] yeah channels are in the database [03:37] you can configure them in mythtv-setup [03:37] I'll check into it. Thanks. [03:38] Sorry, abarber. I've not used an IR blaster, or satellite TV. [03:38] you don't have a STB? [03:39] memory seems to be ok... been running the mem test for about an hour, no probs [03:41] ok, doing an "Install Mythbuntu" rather than using the graphical installer... i get a popup that has the title "Boot loader" & the text above the ok button says "/casper/vmlinuz" [03:42] abarber: I use an antenna for my DViCO tuner, and straight from cable to my HDHomeRun, so no, I don't use a STB. [03:56] any ideas? http://pastebin.com/m3782ad39 [04:05] Greybear1: I was unable to verify frequency/vid/pid/aid in the channel editor, but increasing the timeouts for the tuner did the trick. Now myth is also tuning the channel perfectly. [04:05] oh, great [04:05] :) [04:05] pteague, are you trying to boot to a livedisk on a board with the nvidia 8200 chipset? [04:07] it's the intel d945gclf mini-itx wanna be... although the pci vid card i installed is a nvidia geforce fx 5200 [04:12] I wish I hadn't deleted my tuner cards, and then re-added them later in mythtv-setup. I know it's anal, but I don't like mythtv-status reporting that I have tuners 1-2, and 6-8, without 3-5. [04:13] (Or mythweb, for that matter.) [04:20] foxbuntu: do you think that could still be the issue? [04:21] pteague, which disk? [04:22] is there a way to adjust the audio on my videos playback, i just installed mythbuntu and the audio level is very low [04:22] mythbuntu 8.04 i386 [04:22] pteague, 8.04.1 or 8.04? [04:23] 8.04... not sure i have any i386 that are 8.04.1... i got the 64bit for my desktop at work [04:24] MythbuntuGuest42: you've increased the volume setting in the main Setup section? [04:25] main setup section where it gives you option about upmix and such? [04:25] From the top-level screen in the frontend [04:26] sorry i am a total noob, i don't recall a volume setting [04:27] i am running the mythtv configuration again right now [04:27] MythbuntuGuest42: not mythtv-setup [04:28] oh, control centre? [04:28] No, the frontend. [04:29] I am running a backend fronted setup, this is my only machine. [04:29] i am in the frontend now [04:29] utilities/setup [04:30] OK, good. [04:31] It's under General Setup, a few pages in. [04:31] i see a page here with audio output device as the first thing [04:32] it says ALSA:default [04:32] you can adjust volume of playback while you're playing [04:32] I think the default keys are "[" and "]" [04:32] playback settings are in mythfrontend, not mythtv-setup [04:32] mythfrontend is the program you see most of the time that plays TV, lets you schedule recordings, etc [04:32] it has sound playback settings and allows you to adjust volume during playback [04:32] you can set the default volume there [04:32] foxbuntu: you think i should download 8.04.1 then? [04:33] okay, thank you. what should the default device be? [04:33] MythbuntuGuest42: on that page you're on, there is a Master Mixer Volume setting. [04:33] MythbuntuGuest42: don't change that, if your audio is already working. Just adjust volume settings. [04:33] is sound working? [04:33] yes i just set that to 100, [04:33] sound was working very low [04:34] only on the internet streams, the audio from my videos was a clicking digital noise [04:35] pteague, I would give it a shot, I had an issue with that as well [04:35] that's the default volume, but you can adjust it while you watch too [04:35] k, ty :) [04:36] i sey the master mixer volume to 100 and still the audio is low, i have to turn my tv volume almost full to hear it [04:37] maybe the DSP or Front volume is still low [04:38] front volume? [04:38] try running alsamixer or some other mixer program and adjust other volumes up [04:39] typical sound devices have various mixer channels [04:39] are there settings outside of Myth that i can try? [04:41] try running alsamixer or some other mixer program and adjust other volumes up [04:43] I will return. [04:44] see you, McArthur [04:51] how do i run alsamixer? [04:52] in a terminal [04:53] you can also use a GUI mixer program [04:55] i opened alsamixer in a terminal and it looks like my master volume was set to almost zero. i am going to test now [04:57] I thought you configured the master higher in mythfrontend [04:58] that is weird, i did use the mythfrontend to set the master to 100 but it seems that it did not take, it is loud as i want it now [04:59] strange [05:00] maybe the channel name didn't match [05:02] the videos all sound great now too, thanks so much guys. this has been a 5 day install [05:02] hopefully you don't have to waste much more time [05:02] the first three days was fighting old hardware, now i got new gear and it has gone smooth other than the volume issue. [05:03] good [05:03] thanks again. [05:03] yeah, I had a MythTV system that ran fine for weeks, then would lock up at seemingly random times [05:03] i'm trying to learn more about mythbuntu. My computer isn't set up for any of this kind of stuff. Before I do set it up for it though, I'd like to know how well mythbuntu would work with/as an analog TV. I don't have cable at home, so would I be able to hook a pair of antennas up to the computer? [05:03] after months of that, I swapped motherboards and the problem went away [05:04] yep [05:04] you probably only need one antenna [05:04] would i even need the analog DTV converter box (for the US)? [05:04] i had a pentium 4 2.4 ghz and an abit motherboard it would do weird things like jump to the desktop for no reason, it would do that during install as well [05:05] you mean mythfrontend would die and restart? [05:06] it would not restart, i would just sit on the mythbuntu desktop. sometimes it would jump to a terminal window and freeze [05:07] sounds like a video driver problem [05:08] ya, i had an ATI Radeon in at first, then i went and got a nVIDIA agp card that worked a little better, but not completely [05:08] there are so many combinations of video chip, driver, and motherboard the problems are almost endless [05:09] I have a Radeon 9600 in an Abit motherboard that's quite stable [05:10] well i got a duo core pentium and an ECS motherboard with nvidia chipset, tried using a vga to DVI adapter but it was DVI-I and did not fit my tv, so I bought a GeForce 8400 card and it seems all good [05:11] Oh my. Enabling AC3 passthrough caused popping noises that damaged the TV audio. No matter what input it's on now, the audio output modulates on and off, and has a loud, whiny noise dominating. [05:11] i was told by someone that the ATI cards did not work well wtih myth [05:11] that's very strange [05:11] well, that's not entirely correct [05:11] there are a huge variety of ATI cards and drivers for them [05:12] I specifically got an older 9600 that I knew had good driver support [05:12] apparently not, that would have saved me some money if i could have gone ATI. [05:12] newer ATI cards may be a lot more problematic [05:13] oh, well then i am glad i got what i did. [05:13] the video driver situation is a mess any way you look at it [05:14] it seems messier for ATI/AMD currently than Nvidia, but AMD is now cooperating with developers of Free drivers, so I expect it to improve a lot [05:17] i did not get an amd setup because i was told it did not play nice with myth either [05:18] what do you mean by "AMD setup?" [05:18] AMD bought ATI, which is what I referred to [05:19] AMD processor and supporting motherboard. I was planning on still getting a Geforce video card though [05:19] there's no reason not to use AMD CPUs [05:20] from what I've seen, they're generally a bit better value [05:20] if you want the fastest possible CPU, you probably want Intel, but that's not necessary for MythTV [05:21] definitely a better value, but like i said i was told not to. my buddy built his first one on an AMD Sempron and he said he had to return it [05:21] why did he have to return it? [05:22] he said he could not get it to work wtih myth, so he got the duo core and ecs mobo and all was well. [05:22] well, I'm sure it had nothing to do with the CPU [05:22] i think he probably had driver issues [05:22] maybe it was the motherboard [05:23] there's very little difference between an AMD or Intel CPU at the software level [05:25] i just wanted a working system so that i can dig into this world of Myth. we work for a company that makes media servers and they sell in the upwards of 30,000 us. it makes me laugh when i built a myht at work and it does more for far less!!! [05:25] hah! [05:25] who pays that much? [05:27] people who have that much, most of the media server companies in the A/V world sell their systems for around that price. these usually serve stored music and dvd's, no tv support, no dvr support, no streams... [05:27] wow, I can't imagine wasting that kind of money [05:28] I need to get into that business [05:28] I could set up MythTV systems for a fraction and still make plenty [05:29] exactly, it is actually pretty scary. my boss saw MythTv and was sold. I built one on the architecture of our media server( our case, our mobo, our processor...) he freaked [05:30] sounds like a big market waiting for some real competition [05:30] then when i showed him i had IP control over it he became a huge fan [05:30] oh, you mean control over the network? [05:31] well telnet control, i wrote code to control the MythTv with a whole house control system using the IP protocol [05:31] ok [05:32] as part of a home automation system? [05:32] do you use other packages for light control and integration with security systems and such? [05:33] yes, anything that can be controlled. [05:33] nice [05:33] i need to learn more about linux, i want to be able to read from the database where the cover art is held so that i can scrape it for info and display it back to touchpanels. [05:34] interesting [05:34] yeah, that probably isn't too hard [05:34] not once i learn where and how it is stored [05:36] well it was good chatting with ya, i need to get some data transfered to my new box. thanks again for all of your help [05:36] sure [05:36] it looks like it's the videometadata table [05:46] Man, if it's not one piece of hardware failing, it's another. What a week! [05:47] At least mythbuntu is playing nicely. =) [05:50] good === gbutters is now known as gbutters_zzzz [05:51] Greybear1: yeah, I think one of my TV speakers is blown. [05:52] I hope it's just a speaker, and not circuitry. [05:52] and you think the AC3 stream did that? [05:52] I do. [05:52] wow [05:53] The AC3 is passing through on the SPDIF to my receiver, but the analog audio out to the TV got extremely loud and poppy. [05:53] you mean sound from the TV's internal tuner? [05:54] Any sound coming out of my TV is now highly distorted on the left speaker, yes. [05:54] yeah, sounds like damage [05:54] I had two audio outputs from my computer: SPDIF -> receiver, and analog -> TV. Most of the time I didn't turn on the receiver. [05:54] Now I have to. [05:55] I never messed with the TV's speakers since I planned to use a receiver [05:55] oh, so the digital audio out from the computer isn't connected to the TV? [05:56] Worst part: I bought the TV 8/13/05, and it had a 3-year warranty. [05:56] that sucks [05:56] No, digital audio out goes to the receiver. [05:56] Yeah, one week out of warranty. [05:56] oh, so it was the analog signal from the receiver to the TV that damaged the speaker [05:57] no, analog from the computer to the TV [05:57] oh, I thought the AC3 stream was what damaged the TV [05:57] When I enabled the AC3 passthrough, it screwed up the analog out from the computer. [05:58] It's just a choppy/poppy loud mess. [05:58] oh, now I understand [05:58] But, the SPDIF output does work when I enable the passthrough. [05:58] it probably was a transient that was too loud [05:58] Yeah. [05:59] but that still seems like a poor design of the TV to allow a line in signal to damage a speaker [05:59] Well, if the volume is too loud, it'll still blow them. [06:00] Also, there is clearly something wrong on the computer end that enabling passthrough would muck up the analog out. [06:00] I guess I figured the TV would be designed so as not to blow its own speakers, but I guess that's not reasonable [06:00] Yeah, I think it's possible. [06:00] had you had both analog and passthrough working simultaneously? [06:00] I didn't think most cards could do that [06:01] Not yet. I was trying to configure it. [06:02] even if the card can do it, MythTV can't normally [06:02] I am running Mythbuntu 8.0.4 How do I enable encryptoed DVD support? [06:02] I think there's a button in MCC [06:02] MythbuntuGuest91: enable the medibuntu repository through MCC [06:02] Then, you'll need to install libdvdcss2. The codecs might be useful also. [06:03] yeah, for DVDs, you only need libdvdcss2, but for other videos you might need other codecs [06:06] Thank you all. [06:06] welcome [06:06] Good luck, MythbuntuGuest91 :) [06:07] evenin' folks [06:08] Hi Aquahallic. [06:08] anyone running a nvidia 5200 with mythtv? [06:08] I have nvidia 6150. [06:09] when I enable restricted drivers everything looks TERRIBLE [06:09] it doesn't work with the Free one? [06:09] using nv you mean? [06:11] Yes, that's the free onel. [06:11] yeah [06:11] one* [06:11] Aquahallic: also, which restricted drivers package did you use? [06:12] first I tried enabling restricted from within ubuntu itself [06:12] then I tried the binary from nvidia's site [06:12] both don't look right at all [06:12] you'll almost certainly have less trouble with the Ubuntu package [06:13] ok [06:13] Yes, don't use downloads off of nvidia.com [06:13] k.. guess I should uninstall that then [06:13] the contents are the same anyway, so the functionality wouldn't be any different [06:14] did MythTV work before you installed any proprietary driver? [06:14] not well.. no [06:14] ok [06:14] I have another box downstairs [06:14] yeah, I wouldn't expect it to with Nvidia [06:14] Aquahallic: nvidia-glx-new should work with your card, as should nvidia-glx [06:14] I had to use the nvidia-legacy with that one [06:15] think it's....... geforce 2 440 [06:15] You said 5200 [06:15] that one... FLAWLESS [06:15] yeah.. another box [06:15] :) [06:15] ah [06:15] this my 3rd machine in the house... kids keep TAKING them from me [06:15] LOL [06:15] so I put one in my bedroom this time..:) [06:16] I run nvidia-glx-new, with my 6150, and it works pretty well. I wish it had better support for overscan, though. [06:16] I think I tried that one...:/ [06:16] you have too much or too little overscan? [06:16] and the new AMD one too [06:16] Greybear1: too much. [06:16] you can compensate for that in MythTV [06:17] I can correct it in mythtv, with the screen settings, but not X in general. [06:17] right [06:17] what do you display other than MythTV? [06:17] Yes, I've done so. But, it wouldn't work for a desktop monitor. I can't quite see the top and bottom panels. [06:17] Well, not much, other than occasionally xine, mplayer, vlc, or firefox. [06:18] you could probably get those other apps to start with good size using the -geometry option [06:18] well, some option which might vary with the app [06:18] Yes, but it would be nice to see the entire desktop, including the panels. [06:19] yeah, overscan sucks [06:20] Definitely :) [06:21] ok.. question.... once I rip out this binary.... it's gonna jack my xorg.conf.... once I install the nvidia-glx-new isn't there a util that will rebuild it? [06:21] just make a backup copy if you're not sure [06:21] but that's gonna backup the one for the binary isn't it? [06:21] Aquahallic: in general, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" should build you a good config. [06:21] yeah [06:21] with "nvidia" as the driver? [06:21] ahh.. that's what it was [06:21] it'll probably end up the same anyway [06:22] my other boxes run too good... never mess with 'em [06:22] forget this stuff....LOL [06:22] I keep several different variations of xorg.conf and a symlink to one of them [06:22] so, I can switch easily [06:23] hrm [06:23] that's a d@mn good idea [06:23] that was when I was having a lot of trouble figuring out the best configuration [06:23] once I get a working X configuration file, I make sure not to lose it [06:23] just wish my tv would detect...:( [06:23] I thought all the messing around with X configuration was behind me until I got my TV [06:24] I thought: "It's DVI, so it'll be simple" [06:24] yeah.. I have the one for my box in the livingroom backed up in 3 different places [06:24] hehe [06:24] but no, the stupid TV with a native resolution of 1366x768 reports a mode of 1024x768 [06:25] :/ [06:25] have to build your own modeline [06:25] ? [06:25] with a lot of tweaking I managed to get a modeline that was almost exactly right [06:25] the TV doesn't seem to have a 1:1 pixel mapping mode, so it was still off by a pixel or two [06:25] yeah.... they're brutal... I saw a calculator out there once when I was messing with my other box [06:26] but, with some Xorg upgrade, that modeline stopped working, so now I'm using 1280x720 [06:26] it's not a big TV, so the loss of resolution isn't very noticeable [06:28] I learned the hard way that though TVs might have LCD displays, that doesn't mean they think digitally like an LCD monitor [06:28] Greybear1: what video card/chipset do you have? [06:28] apparently, mine treats even the DVI input as basically analog, though the quality is good [06:28] Radeon 9600 [06:29] Ah, nice. [06:29] I made sure to choose one that would work well with Xorg's free radeon driver [06:29] 3D doesn't work well, but everything else does [06:30] well.. just ripped out nvidia's binary...:P [06:30] Nice. ATI support should be improving dramatically in the near future, I'd imagine. [06:30] yeah, that's what I'm hoping [06:30] the next card I buy will probably be AMD, though my desktop has an Nvidia now [06:30] Aquahallic: yeah, it's always better to stick with ubuntu packages when you can. [06:31] Especially when you start overwriting files that are under package management. [06:31] yup.... true [06:31] update broke it a little bit ago [06:31] lol [06:31] I remember getting the Nvidia proprietary driver working manually a few years ago and it was a pain and a half [06:31] you're not KIDDING [06:31] but... [06:32] It would be so nice if I wake up in the morning, and my TV speakers just work. [06:32] that one downstairs with the legacy drivers on it.... it REALLY looks sweet [06:32] good [06:32] yeah, if you find a working configuration, don't change it [06:33] yup [06:33] it took me FOREVER to get that right though.... [06:33] that's why I keep backups of xorg.conf especially [06:33] ok... I bounced my box after ripping that binary out [06:34] how high did it bounce? [06:34] I hope you didn't break anything. [06:34] I guess it's using a generic vesa or something... cause I can't hardly read anything on the tv.. had to vnc in to see anything [06:34] LOL [06:34] ok [06:34] oh.. that's coming.. room's on the 2nd floor.. and I have a 11' deep pool out back...:) [06:35] lemme grab this nvidia-glx-new package [06:35] you guys were talking about the ATI drivers.... [06:35] yes [06:35] I put ubuntu on my dell inspiron 9200 [06:36] has a radeon 9600 or something in it [06:36] I have a radeon 7500 in my thinkpad [06:36] so, did it work well on the inspiron? [06:36] got compiz working fairly well on it.. [06:36] yeah [06:36] not great [06:37]