[00:22] <MythbuntuGuest87> anyone here?
[00:23] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[00:23] <tgm4883_laptop> !hi
[00:23] <Zinn> Thanks for being polite.  But we are so dang awesome at solving problems that we wish you would just ask your question.  Thanks.
[00:25] <MythbuntuGuest87> has anyone had problems with movie posters being low res when downloaded?
[00:28] <MythbuntuGuest87> i guess that is a no
[02:31] <tritium> I too am experiencing https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/249446.
[02:32] <Greybear1> yeah, the multirec changes weren't good for LiveTV
[02:32] <tritium> Hi Greybear1.  SiliconDust sent me a new power adapter, and I'm back in business with my HDHomeRun.
[02:32] <Greybear1> actually, I've never been very satisfied with LiveTV behavior, but I hardly use it anyway
[02:32] <Greybear1> great!
[02:32] <tritium> :)
[02:36] <tritium> So, Greybear1, how does one change tuners, then?
[02:36] <Greybear1> the menu
[02:36] <Greybear1> switch input
[02:36] <tritium> OK.
[02:45] <tritium> Greybear1: if you couldn't tune a channel in mythtv, but the output of azap told you that FE_HAS_LOCK, what would you try?
[02:45] <Greybear1> you mean MythTV wouldn't get a tuning lock?
[02:45] <tritium> Yes.
[02:45] <Greybear1> move the antenna up
[02:46] <tritium> The azap output doens't indicate it's receiving the channel just fine?
[02:46] <Greybear1> I'm not sure
[02:46] <tritium> It's very odd -- it's only one channel that I have trouble with over-the-air.
[02:47] <Greybear1> what error rate does azap show?
[02:47] <tritium> Ah, good idea.  let me check.
[02:48] <Greybear1> in particular, pay attention to the number of unrecoverable erros
[02:48] <Greybear1> errors
[02:48] <tritium> Wow, bit error rate is 0
[02:48] <Greybear1> that can't be right
[02:48] <tritium> status 1f | signal 8070 | snr 118f | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK
[02:48] <Greybear1> yeah, ber 0 can't be right
[02:49] <Greybear1> that's a very low snr
[02:49] <tritium> I'll keep experimenting.  Thanks :)
[02:49] <Greybear1> basically, I think you have to get a bigger/better antenna, aim it better at the transmitter, and raise it higher
[02:50] <Greybear1> one or all of those things
[02:52] <tritium> I've currently got a DB2, which is supposed to be one of the best, and I'm only 5.7 miles from the transmitters.
[02:52] <tritium> And, it really is only one channel.  The others come in perfectly.
[02:52] <Greybear1> antenna?
[02:52] <tritium> Yes, DB2 antenna.
[02:52] <Greybear1> maybe the frequency is wrong
[02:52] <tritium> http://www.antennasdirect.com/DB2_Indoor_antenna.html
[02:53] <Greybear1> ok
[02:53] <Greybear1> I've got a http://www.engadget.com/2004/11/01/terks-hdtvo-hdtv-antenna/ on a tree in my back yard
[02:53] <tritium> Nice.
[02:54] <Greybear1> the stations are more like 20 or 30 miles away I think
[02:54] <Greybear1> there are some I often have trouble receiving
[02:54] <tritium> This one has occasionally worked for me: http://www.antennasdirect.com/SR15_HDTV_Antenna.html
[02:54] <tritium> (for the one channel at issue)
[02:55] <tritium> I wonder if my property is in a null, or something, where I just can't get this channel too reliably.
[02:55] <Greybear1> you're sure it's only 5 miles away?
[02:55] <tritium> Yes.  I can see it on top of the mountain.
[02:56] <Greybear1> that does seem odd
[02:56] <tritium> I'm only a few miles from the foothills, and the top of the mountain is at ~11kft.
[02:56] <tritium> So, there's no line-of-sight issues ;)
[02:56] <Greybear1> what about other tuners?
[02:56] <tritium> All the same issue.
[02:56] <Greybear1> how well do other tuners receive that station?
[02:56] <Greybear1> regular TVs or anything
[02:57] <tritium> All receive them poorly.  TV tuner, DViCO, HDHomeRun, etc.
[02:57] <Greybear1> ok, so it is a signal strength issue
[02:57] <tritium> Yes.
[02:57] <Greybear1> it's not something with a particular tuner
[02:57] <Greybear1> I'm hoping once stations shut down their NTSC transmitters, they'll turn up the power on the ATSC ones
[02:58] <tritium> No.  It's just odd that every other channel (also on transmitters on the same towers on the mountain) work fine.
[02:58] <tritium> Yes, I hope so too.
[02:59] <Greybear1> maybe that station just transmits with much lower power than the others
[03:00] <tritium> Perhaps so.  I hope things improve in Feb.
[03:10] <abarber> hey guys
[03:10] <abarber> i'm having trouble setting up an IR blaster
[03:11] <abarber> myth is picking up the channel changing, but it's not translating to the STB
[03:28] <pteague> is there something newer than 8.04 mythbuntu that i should be trying?
[03:29] <Greybear1> isn't the STB channel changing done by an external script?
[03:29] <pteague> modprobe is exiting unexpectedly & leaving me at an initramfs prompt
[03:32] <tritium> Greybear1: I just dropped my channels.conf (produced with azap) into my ~/.xine directory, and xine is playing the channel I've had trouble with perfectly.
[03:32] <Greybear1> strange
[03:33] <tritium> indeed
[03:33] <Greybear1> but a regular TV has trouble receiving the same channel?
[03:33] <tritium> Yes.
[03:33] <Greybear1> is the TV receiving NTSC or ATSC?
[03:33] <tritium> ATSC.
[03:33] <Greybear1> and the TV's connected to the same antenna?
[03:34] <tritium> Not currently, no.
[03:34] <Greybear1> well, that could be why it's not receiving well
[03:34] <tritium> Since I've had so much trouble with OTA, I connected the TV to cable.
[03:34] <tritium> No, I'm not that dumb.  ;)  I'm not trying to receive OTA with the TV any longer.
[03:34] <tritium> But it's had trouble in the past, when I've had the antenna hooked up.
[03:35] <Greybear1> oh
[03:36] <tritium> It seems to take longer to buffer in xine than other channels, but once it does, it's perfect.
[03:37] <Greybear1> so, I guess you need to make sure MythTV is using the same frequency as azap and Xine
[03:37] <abarber> i'm having trouble setting up my IR transmitter/blaster to work with dish
[03:37] <tritium> that's stored somewhere in a mysql database?
[03:37] <Greybear1> yeah channels are in the database
[03:37] <Greybear1> you can configure them in mythtv-setup
[03:37] <tritium> I'll check into it.  Thanks.
[03:38] <tritium> Sorry, abarber.  I've not used an IR blaster, or satellite TV.
[03:38] <abarber> you don't have a STB?
[03:39] <pteague> memory seems to be ok... been running the mem test for about an hour, no probs
[03:41] <pteague> ok, doing an "Install Mythbuntu" rather than using the graphical installer... i get a popup that has the title "Boot loader" & the text above the ok button says "/casper/vmlinuz"
[03:42] <tritium> abarber: I use an antenna for my DViCO tuner, and straight from cable to my HDHomeRun, so no, I don't use a STB.
[03:56] <pteague> any ideas?  http://pastebin.com/m3782ad39
[04:05] <tritium> Greybear1: I was unable to verify frequency/vid/pid/aid in the channel editor, but increasing the timeouts for the tuner did the trick.  Now myth is also tuning the channel perfectly.
[04:05] <Greybear1> oh, great
[04:05] <tritium> :)
[04:05] <foxbuntu> pteague, are you trying to boot to a livedisk on a board with the nvidia 8200 chipset?
[04:07] <pteague> it's the intel d945gclf mini-itx wanna be... although the pci vid card i installed is a nvidia geforce fx 5200
[04:12] <tritium> I wish I hadn't deleted my tuner cards, and then re-added them later in mythtv-setup.  I know it's anal, but I don't like mythtv-status reporting that I have tuners 1-2, and 6-8, without 3-5.
[04:13] <tritium> (Or mythweb, for that matter.)
[04:20] <pteague> foxbuntu: do you think that could still be the issue?
[04:21] <foxbuntu> pteague, which disk?
[04:22] <MythbuntuGuest42> is there a way to adjust the audio on my videos playback, i just installed mythbuntu and the audio level is very low
[04:22] <pteague> mythbuntu 8.04 i386
[04:22] <foxbuntu> pteague, 8.04.1 or 8.04?
[04:23] <pteague> 8.04... not sure i have any i386 that are 8.04.1... i got the 64bit for my desktop at work
[04:24] <tritium> MythbuntuGuest42: you've increased the volume setting in the main Setup section?
[04:25] <MythbuntuGuest42> main setup section where it gives you option about upmix and such?
[04:25] <tritium> From the top-level screen in the frontend
[04:26] <MythbuntuGuest42> sorry i am a total noob, i don't recall a volume setting
[04:27] <MythbuntuGuest42> i am running the mythtv configuration again right now
[04:27] <tritium> MythbuntuGuest42: not mythtv-setup
[04:28] <MythbuntuGuest42> oh, control centre?
[04:28] <tritium> No, the frontend.
[04:29] <MythbuntuGuest42> I am running a backend fronted setup, this is my only machine.
[04:29] <MythbuntuGuest42> i am in the frontend now
[04:29] <MythbuntuGuest42> utilities/setup
[04:30] <tritium> OK, good.
[04:31] <tritium> It's under General Setup, a few pages in.
[04:31] <MythbuntuGuest42> i see a page here with audio output device as the first thing
[04:32] <MythbuntuGuest42> it says ALSA:default
[04:32] <Greybear1> you can adjust volume of playback while you're playing
[04:32] <Greybear1> I think the default keys are "[" and "]"
[04:32] <Greybear1> playback settings are in mythfrontend, not mythtv-setup
[04:32] <Greybear1> mythfrontend is the program you see most of the time that plays TV, lets you schedule recordings, etc
[04:32] <Greybear1> it has sound playback settings and allows you to adjust volume during playback
[04:32] <Greybear1> you can set the default volume there
[04:32] <pteague> foxbuntu: you think i should download 8.04.1 then?
[04:33] <MythbuntuGuest42> okay, thank you.  what should the default device be?
[04:33] <tritium> MythbuntuGuest42: on that page you're on, there is a Master Mixer Volume setting.
[04:33] <tritium> MythbuntuGuest42: don't change that, if your audio is already working.  Just adjust volume settings.
[04:33] <Greybear1> is sound working?
[04:33] <MythbuntuGuest42> yes i just set that to 100,
[04:33] <MythbuntuGuest42> sound was working very low
[04:34] <MythbuntuGuest42> only on the internet streams, the audio from my videos was a clicking digital noise
[04:35] <foxbuntu> pteague, I would give it a shot, I had an issue with that as well
[04:35] <Greybear1> that's the default volume, but you can adjust it while you watch too
[04:35] <pteague> k, ty :)
[04:36] <MythbuntuGuest42> i sey the master mixer volume to 100 and still the audio is low, i have to turn my tv volume almost full to hear it
[04:37] <Greybear1> maybe the DSP or Front volume is still low
[04:38] <MythbuntuGuest42> front volume?
[04:38] <Greybear1> try running alsamixer or some other mixer program and adjust other volumes up
[04:39] <Greybear1> typical sound devices have various mixer channels
[04:39] <MythbuntuGuest42> are there settings outside of Myth that i can try?
[04:41] <Greybear1> ﻿try running alsamixer or some other mixer program and adjust other volumes up
[04:43] <tritium> I will return.
[04:44] <Greybear1> see you, McArthur
[04:51] <MythbuntuGuest42> how do i run alsamixer?
[04:52] <Greybear1> in a terminal
[04:53] <Greybear1> you can also use a GUI mixer program
[04:55] <MythbuntuGuest42> i opened alsamixer in a terminal and it looks like my master volume was set to almost zero. i am going to test now
[04:57] <Greybear1> I thought you configured the master higher in mythfrontend
[04:58] <MythbuntuGuest42> that is weird, i did use the mythfrontend to set the master to 100 but it seems that it did not take, it is loud as i want it now
[04:59] <Greybear1> strange
[05:00] <Greybear1> maybe the channel name didn't match
[05:02] <MythbuntuGuest42> the videos all sound great now too, thanks so much guys.  this has been a 5 day install
[05:02] <Greybear1> hopefully you don't have to waste much more time
[05:02] <MythbuntuGuest42> the first three days was fighting old hardware, now i got new gear and it has gone smooth other than the volume issue.
[05:03] <Greybear1> good
[05:03] <MythbuntuGuest42> thanks again.
[05:03] <Greybear1> yeah, I had a MythTV system that ran fine for weeks, then would lock up at seemingly random times
[05:03] <acrousey> i'm trying to learn more about mythbuntu. My computer isn't set up for any of this kind of stuff. Before I do set it up for it though, I'd like to know how well mythbuntu would work with/as an analog TV. I don't have cable at home, so would I be able to hook a pair of antennas up to the computer?
[05:03] <Greybear1> after months of that, I swapped motherboards and the problem went away
[05:04] <Greybear1> yep
[05:04] <Greybear1> you probably only need one antenna
[05:04] <acrousey> would i even need the analog DTV converter box (for the US)?
[05:04] <MythbuntuGuest42> i had a pentium 4 2.4 ghz and an abit motherboard it would do weird things like jump to the desktop for no reason, it would do that during install as well
[05:05] <Greybear1> you mean mythfrontend would die and restart?
[05:06] <MythbuntuGuest42> it would not restart, i would just sit on the mythbuntu desktop.  sometimes it would jump to a terminal window and freeze
[05:07] <Greybear1> sounds like a video driver problem
[05:08] <MythbuntuGuest42> ya, i had an ATI Radeon in at first, then i went and got a nVIDIA agp card that worked a little better, but not completely
[05:08] <Greybear1> there are so many combinations of video chip, driver, and motherboard the problems are almost endless
[05:09] <Greybear1> I have a Radeon 9600 in an Abit motherboard that's quite stable
[05:10] <MythbuntuGuest42> well i got a duo core pentium and an ECS motherboard with nvidia chipset, tried using a vga to DVI adapter but it was DVI-I and did not fit my tv, so I bought a GeForce 8400 card and it seems all good
[05:11] <tritium> Oh my.  Enabling AC3 passthrough caused popping noises that damaged the TV audio.  No matter what input it's on now, the audio output modulates on and off, and has a loud, whiny noise dominating.
[05:11] <MythbuntuGuest42> i was told by someone that the ATI cards did not work well wtih myth
[05:11] <Greybear1> that's very strange
[05:11] <Greybear1> well, that's not entirely correct
[05:11] <Greybear1> there are a huge variety of ATI cards and drivers for them
[05:12] <Greybear1> I specifically got an older 9600 that I knew had good driver support
[05:12] <MythbuntuGuest42> apparently not, that would have saved me some money if i could have gone ATI.
[05:12] <Greybear1> newer ATI cards may be a lot more problematic
[05:13] <MythbuntuGuest42> oh, well then i am glad i got what i did.
[05:13] <Greybear1> the video driver situation is a mess any way you look at it
[05:14] <Greybear1> it seems messier for ATI/AMD currently than Nvidia, but AMD is now cooperating with developers of Free drivers, so I expect it to improve a lot
[05:17] <MythbuntuGuest42> i did not get an amd setup because i was told it did not play nice with myth either
[05:18] <Greybear1> what do you mean by "AMD setup?"
[05:18] <Greybear1> AMD bought ATI, which is what I referred to
[05:19] <MythbuntuGuest42> AMD processor and supporting motherboard.  I was planning on still getting a Geforce video card though
[05:19] <Greybear1> there's no reason not to use AMD CPUs
[05:20] <Greybear1> from what I've seen, they're generally a bit better value
[05:20] <Greybear1> if you want the fastest possible CPU, you probably want Intel, but that's not necessary for MythTV
[05:21] <MythbuntuGuest42> definitely a better value, but like i said i was told not to.  my buddy built his first one on an AMD Sempron and he said he had to return it
[05:21] <Greybear1> why did he have to return it?
[05:22] <MythbuntuGuest42> he said he could not get it to work wtih myth, so he got the duo core and ecs mobo and all was well.
[05:22] <Greybear1> well, I'm sure it had nothing to do with the CPU
[05:22] <MythbuntuGuest42> i think he probably had driver issues
[05:22] <Greybear1> maybe it was the motherboard
[05:23] <Greybear1> there's very little difference between an AMD or Intel CPU at the software level
[05:25] <MythbuntuGuest42> i just wanted a working system so that i can dig into this world of Myth.  we work for a company that makes media servers and they sell in the upwards of 30,000 us. it makes me laugh when i built a myht at work and it does more for far less!!!
[05:25] <Greybear1> hah!
[05:25] <Greybear1> who pays that much?
[05:27] <MythbuntuGuest42> people who have that much, most of the media server companies in the A/V world sell their systems for around that price.  these usually serve stored music and dvd's, no tv support, no dvr support, no streams...
[05:27] <Greybear1> wow, I can't imagine wasting that kind of money
[05:28] <Greybear1> I need to get into that business
[05:28] <Greybear1> I could set up MythTV systems for a fraction and still make plenty
[05:29] <MythbuntuGuest42> exactly, it is actually pretty scary.  my boss saw MythTv and was sold.  I built one on the architecture of our media server( our case, our mobo, our processor...) he freaked
[05:30] <Greybear1> sounds like a big market waiting for some real competition
[05:30] <MythbuntuGuest42> then when i showed him i had IP control over it he became a huge fan
[05:30] <Greybear1> oh, you mean control over the network?
[05:31] <MythbuntuGuest42> well telnet control, i wrote code to control the MythTv with a whole house control system using the IP protocol
[05:31] <Greybear1> ok
[05:32] <Greybear1> as part of a home automation system?
[05:32] <Greybear1> do you use other packages for light control and integration with security systems and such?
[05:33] <MythbuntuGuest42> yes, anything that can be controlled.
[05:33] <Greybear1> nice
[05:33] <MythbuntuGuest42> i need to learn more about linux, i want to be able to read from the database where the cover art is held so that i can scrape it for info and display it back to touchpanels.
[05:34] <Greybear1> interesting
[05:34] <Greybear1> yeah, that probably isn't too hard
[05:34] <MythbuntuGuest42> not once i learn where and how it is stored
[05:36] <MythbuntuGuest42> well it was good chatting with ya, i need to get some data transfered to my new box. thanks again for all of your help
[05:36] <Greybear1> sure
[05:36] <Greybear1> it looks like it's the videometadata table
[05:46] <tritium> Man, if it's not one piece of hardware failing, it's another.  What a week!
[05:47] <tritium> At least mythbuntu is playing nicely.  =)
[05:50] <Greybear1> good
[05:51] <tritium> Greybear1: yeah, I think one of my TV speakers is blown.
[05:52] <tritium> I hope it's just a speaker, and not circuitry.
[05:52] <Greybear1> and you think the AC3 stream did that?
[05:52] <tritium> I do.
[05:52] <Greybear1> wow
[05:53] <tritium> The AC3 is passing through on the SPDIF to my receiver, but the analog audio out to the TV got extremely loud and poppy.
[05:53] <Greybear1> you mean sound from the TV's internal tuner?
[05:54] <tritium> Any sound coming out of my TV is now highly distorted on the left speaker, yes.
[05:54] <Greybear1> yeah, sounds like damage
[05:54] <tritium> I had two audio outputs from my computer: SPDIF -> receiver, and analog -> TV.  Most of the time I didn't turn on the receiver.
[05:54] <tritium> Now I have to.
[05:55] <Greybear1> I never messed with the TV's speakers since I planned to use a receiver
[05:55] <Greybear1> oh, so the digital audio out from the computer isn't connected to the TV?
[05:56] <tritium> Worst part: I bought the TV 8/13/05, and it had a 3-year warranty.
[05:56] <Greybear1> that sucks
[05:56] <tritium> No, digital audio out goes to the receiver.
[05:56] <tritium> Yeah, one week out of warranty.
[05:56] <Greybear1> oh, so it was the analog signal from the receiver to the TV that damaged the speaker
[05:57] <tritium> no, analog from the computer to the TV
[05:57] <Greybear1> oh, I thought the AC3 stream was what damaged the TV
[05:57] <tritium> When I enabled the AC3 passthrough, it screwed up the analog out from the computer.
[05:58] <tritium> It's just a choppy/poppy loud mess.
[05:58] <Greybear1> oh, now I understand
[05:58] <tritium> But, the SPDIF output does work when I enable the passthrough.
[05:58] <Greybear1> it probably was a transient that was too loud
[05:58] <tritium> Yeah.
[05:59] <Greybear1> but that still seems like a poor design of the TV to allow a line in signal to damage a speaker
[05:59] <tritium> Well, if the volume is too loud, it'll still blow them.
[06:00] <tritium> Also, there is clearly something wrong on the computer end that enabling passthrough would muck up the analog out.
[06:00] <Greybear1> I guess I figured the TV would be designed so as not to blow its own speakers, but I guess that's not reasonable
[06:00] <tritium> Yeah, I think it's possible.
[06:00] <Greybear1> had you had both analog and passthrough working simultaneously?
[06:00] <Greybear1> I didn't think most cards could do that
[06:01] <tritium> Not yet.  I was trying to configure it.
[06:02] <Greybear1> even if the card can do it, MythTV can't normally
[06:02] <MythbuntuGuest91> I am running Mythbuntu 8.0.4 How do I enable encryptoed DVD support?
[06:02] <Greybear1> I think there's a button in MCC
[06:02] <tritium> MythbuntuGuest91: enable the medibuntu repository through MCC
[06:02] <tritium> Then, you'll need to install libdvdcss2.  The codecs might be useful also.
[06:03] <Greybear1> yeah, for DVDs, you only need libdvdcss2, but for other videos you might need other codecs
[06:06] <MythbuntuGuest91> Thank you all.
[06:06] <Greybear1> welcome
[06:06] <tritium> Good luck, MythbuntuGuest91 :)
[06:07] <Aquahallic> evenin' folks
[06:08] <tritium> Hi Aquahallic.
[06:08] <Aquahallic> anyone running a nvidia 5200 with mythtv?
[06:08] <tritium> I have nvidia 6150.
[06:09] <Aquahallic> when I enable restricted drivers everything looks TERRIBLE
[06:09] <Greybear1> it doesn't work with the Free one?
[06:09] <Aquahallic> using nv you mean?
[06:11] <tritium> Yes, that's the free onel.
[06:11] <Greybear1> yeah
[06:11] <tritium> one*
[06:11] <tritium> Aquahallic: also, which restricted drivers package did you use?
[06:12] <Aquahallic> first I tried enabling restricted from within ubuntu itself
[06:12] <Aquahallic> then I tried the binary from nvidia's site
[06:12] <Aquahallic> both don't look right at all
[06:12] <Greybear1> you'll almost certainly have less trouble with the Ubuntu package
[06:13] <Aquahallic> ok
[06:13] <tritium> Yes, don't use downloads off of nvidia.com
[06:13] <Aquahallic> k.. guess I should uninstall that then
[06:13] <Greybear1> the contents are the same anyway, so the functionality wouldn't be any different
[06:14] <Greybear1> did MythTV work before you installed any proprietary driver?
[06:14] <Aquahallic> not well.. no
[06:14] <Greybear1> ok
[06:14] <Aquahallic> I have another box downstairs
[06:14] <Greybear1> yeah, I wouldn't expect it to with Nvidia
[06:14] <tritium> Aquahallic: nvidia-glx-new should work with your card, as should nvidia-glx
[06:14] <Aquahallic> I had to use the nvidia-legacy with that one
[06:15] <Aquahallic> think it's....... geforce 2 440
[06:15] <tritium> You said 5200
[06:15] <Aquahallic> that one... FLAWLESS
[06:15] <Aquahallic> yeah.. another box
[06:15] <Aquahallic> :)
[06:15] <tritium> ah
[06:15] <Aquahallic> this my 3rd machine in the house... kids keep TAKING them from me
[06:15] <Aquahallic> LOL
[06:15] <Aquahallic> so I put one in my bedroom this time..:)
[06:16] <tritium> I run nvidia-glx-new, with my 6150, and it works pretty well.  I wish it had better support for overscan, though.
[06:16] <Aquahallic> I think I tried that one...:/
[06:16] <Greybear1> you have too much or too little overscan?
[06:16] <Aquahallic> and the new AMD one too
[06:16] <tritium> Greybear1: too much.
[06:16] <Greybear1> you can compensate for that in MythTV
[06:17] <tritium> I can correct it in mythtv, with the screen settings, but not X in general.
[06:17] <Greybear1> right
[06:17] <Greybear1> what do you display other than MythTV?
[06:17] <tritium> Yes, I've done so.  But, it wouldn't work for a desktop monitor.  I can't quite see the top and bottom panels.
[06:17] <tritium> Well, not much, other than occasionally xine, mplayer, vlc, or firefox.
[06:18] <Greybear1> you could probably get those other apps to start with good size using the -geometry option
[06:18] <Greybear1> well, some option which might vary with the app
[06:18] <tritium> Yes, but it would be nice to see the entire desktop, including the panels.
[06:19] <Greybear1> yeah, overscan sucks
[06:20] <tritium> Definitely  :)
[06:21] <Aquahallic> ok.. question.... once I rip out this binary.... it's gonna jack my xorg.conf.... once I install the nvidia-glx-new isn't there a util that will rebuild it?
[06:21] <Greybear1> just make a backup copy if you're not sure
[06:21] <Aquahallic> but that's gonna backup the one for the binary isn't it?
[06:21] <tritium> Aquahallic: in general, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" should build you a good config.
[06:21] <Greybear1> yeah
[06:21] <Aquahallic> with "nvidia" as the driver?
[06:21] <Aquahallic> ahh.. that's what it was
[06:21] <Greybear1> it'll probably end up the same anyway
[06:22] <Aquahallic> my other boxes run too good... never mess with 'em
[06:22] <Aquahallic> forget this stuff....LOL
[06:22] <Greybear1> I keep several different variations of xorg.conf and a symlink to one of them
[06:22] <Greybear1> so, I can switch easily
[06:23] <Aquahallic> hrm
[06:23] <Aquahallic> that's a d@mn good idea
[06:23] <Greybear1> that was when I was having a lot of trouble figuring out the best configuration
[06:23] <Greybear1> once I get a working X configuration file, I make sure not to lose it
[06:23] <Aquahallic> just wish my tv would detect...:(
[06:23] <Greybear1> I thought all the messing around with X configuration was behind me until I got my TV
[06:24] <Greybear1> I thought: "It's DVI, so it'll be simple"
[06:24] <Aquahallic> yeah.. I have the one for my box in the livingroom backed up in 3 different places
[06:24] <Aquahallic> hehe
[06:24] <Greybear1> but no, the stupid TV with a native resolution of 1366x768 reports a mode of 1024x768
[06:25] <Aquahallic> :/
[06:25] <Aquahallic> have to build your own modeline
[06:25] <Aquahallic> ?
[06:25] <Greybear1> with a lot of tweaking I managed to get a modeline that was almost exactly right
[06:25] <Greybear1> the TV doesn't seem to have a 1:1 pixel mapping mode, so it was still off by a pixel or two
[06:25] <Aquahallic> yeah.... they're brutal... I saw a calculator out there once when I was messing with my other box
[06:26] <Greybear1> but, with some Xorg upgrade, that modeline stopped working, so now I'm using 1280x720
[06:26] <Greybear1> it's not a big TV, so the loss of resolution isn't very noticeable
[06:28] <Greybear1> I learned the hard way that though TVs might have LCD displays, that doesn't mean they think digitally like an LCD monitor
[06:28] <tritium> Greybear1: what video card/chipset do you have?
[06:28] <Greybear1> apparently, mine treats even the DVI input as basically analog, though the quality is good
[06:28] <Greybear1> Radeon 9600
[06:29] <tritium> Ah, nice.
[06:29] <Greybear1> I made sure to choose one that would work well with Xorg's free radeon driver
[06:29] <Greybear1> 3D doesn't work well, but everything else does
[06:30] <Aquahallic> well.. just ripped out nvidia's binary...:P
[06:30] <tritium> Nice.  ATI support should be improving dramatically in the near future, I'd imagine.
[06:30] <Greybear1> yeah, that's what I'm hoping
[06:30] <Greybear1> the next card I buy will probably be AMD, though my desktop has an Nvidia now
[06:30] <tritium> Aquahallic: yeah, it's always better to stick with ubuntu packages when you can.
[06:31] <tritium> Especially when you start overwriting files that are under package management.
[06:31] <Aquahallic> yup.... true
[06:31] <Aquahallic> update broke it a little bit ago
[06:31] <Aquahallic> lol
[06:31] <Greybear1> I remember getting the Nvidia proprietary driver working manually a few years ago and it was a pain and a half
[06:31] <Aquahallic> you're not KIDDING
[06:31] <Aquahallic> but...
[06:32] <tritium> It would be so nice if I wake up in the morning, and my TV speakers just work.
[06:32] <Aquahallic> that one downstairs with the legacy drivers on it.... it REALLY looks sweet
[06:32] <Greybear1> good
[06:32] <Greybear1> yeah, if you find a working configuration, don't change it
[06:33] <Aquahallic> yup
[06:33] <Aquahallic> it took me FOREVER to get that right though....
[06:33] <Greybear1> that's why I keep backups of xorg.conf especially
[06:33] <Aquahallic> ok... I bounced my box after ripping that binary out
[06:34] <Greybear1> how high did it bounce?
[06:34] <tritium> I hope you didn't break anything.
[06:34] <Aquahallic> I guess it's using a generic vesa or something... cause I can't hardly read anything on the tv.. had to vnc in to see anything
[06:34] <Aquahallic> LOL
[06:34] <Greybear1> ok
[06:34] <Aquahallic> oh.. that's coming.. room's on the 2nd floor.. and I have a 11' deep pool out back...:)
[06:35] <Aquahallic> lemme grab this nvidia-glx-new package
[06:35] <Aquahallic> you guys were talking about the ATI drivers....
[06:35] <tritium> yes
[06:35] <Aquahallic> I put ubuntu on my dell inspiron 9200
[06:36] <Aquahallic> has a radeon 9600 or something in it
[06:36] <tritium> I have a radeon 7500 in my thinkpad
[06:36] <Greybear1> so, did it work well on the inspiron?
[06:36] <Aquahallic> got compiz working fairly well on it..
[06:36] <Aquahallic> yeah
[06:36] <Aquahallic> not great
[06:37] <MythbuntuGuest91> Is there a way to map dvd:// to /dev/dvdrw instead of /dev/dvd?
[06:37] <Greybear1> yeah, edit the udev config file
[06:37] <Aquahallic> got another question
[06:37] <Aquahallic> what's the deal with the nvidia kernel?
[06:38] <MythbuntuGuest91> Thank you!
[06:38] <Greybear1> I assume you want to make the DVD drive /dev/dvdrw instead of /dev/dvd?
[06:39] <Aquahallic> yeah... this thing came up using nvidia-glx
[06:40] <Aquahallic> so I'm putting the nvidia-glx-new on
[06:40] <MythbuntuGuest91> Greybear1 - Yes
[06:41] <tritium> Aquahallic: that's good
[06:41] <Greybear1> you can just make a symlink from /dev/dvd to /dev/dvdrw
[06:42] <Greybear1> that's a lot easier than editing udev configs
[06:42] <MythbuntuGuest91> inside the /dev/ directory?  I didn't think that was a good idea
[06:42] <Greybear1> don't delete anything that's already there
[06:42] <Greybear1> but make all the symlinks you want
[06:42] <Greybear1> I'm not sure if the links you make will persist over a reboot
[06:43] <MythbuntuGuest91> I'll give it a try..it's only a VM
[06:43] <Greybear1> there's nothing really special about /dev except that it usually contains device special files
[06:44] <Greybear1> but it can contain directories, symlinks, hardlinks, FIFOs and normal files too
[06:45] <MythbuntuGuest91> Well the symlink worked.  mplayer dvd:// launched against /dev/dvdrw but it crashed after starting the movie
[06:46] <Greybear1> probably something else
[06:46] <Greybear1> you can configure mplayer to use different device files too
[06:46] <MythbuntuGuest91> Yeah.  I am testing mythbuntu in a VM Fusion environment on a Mac Pro
[06:46] <Aquahallic> uggghh.. I remember this mess... I put the nvidia-glx-new in and X chokes
[06:47] <Aquahallic> I just did a dpkg-reconfigure see what happens...:/
[06:47] <Aquahallic> hahahaha
[06:47] <Aquahallic> just lost my tv out
[06:47] <Aquahallic> :/
[06:48] <Aquahallic> it's ALL comin' back to me like a big ole nightmare....LOL
[06:48] <Greybear1> nvidia-xconfig might fix it
[06:49] <Aquahallic> package?
[06:49] <Greybear1> nvidia-glx-new
[06:49] <Aquahallic> ahh.. it's in the driver package
[06:50] <Aquahallic> thought it was a separate package
[06:53] <Aquahallic> bah.. I think it's this tv that's giving me a fit
[06:53] <Aquahallic> coming up in low graphics mode
[07:02] <Aquahallic> ok.. so... doesn't like nvidia-glx-new
[07:02] <Aquahallic> nvidia-glx works
[07:03] <tritium> Hmm, really?
[07:03] <Aquahallic> yeah
[07:04] <tritium> Sorry if I led you wrong there.  From what I read, the 5200 was supported with -new
[07:05] <Aquahallic> man.. should Xorg be eating up lik 79% cpu watching livetv...:/
[07:05] <Aquahallic> this on a 2.6 gig P4 and gig of ram in this box
[07:07] <tritium> I'm off to bed.  Good night.
[07:07] <Aquahallic> oh man.. now I remember what's going on with nvidia-glx.. my mythtv is all jerky...:/
[07:08]  * Aquahallic forgot about that mess
[07:08] <tritium> Aquahallic: did you configure mythtv to us xvmc?
[07:08] <tritium> That may help.
[07:08] <Aquahallic> that in the setup menus?
[07:08] <tritium> Yes.
[07:09] <Aquahallic> remember where off top of your head?
[07:09] <tritium> No, I'm sorry.
[07:09] <Aquahallic> k
[07:09] <Aquahallic> I'll see if I can find it
[07:09] <tritium> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC
[07:09] <Aquahallic> thx for the help ..:)
[07:09] <Aquahallic> have a good night.. I'mma beat on this thing a little longer...:P
[07:11] <tritium> Thanks.  Good night.
[15:05] <Aquahallic> Mornin' folks
[15:05] <Aquahallic> anyone had any dealings with mythtv guide choking when you open it from livetv?
[15:06] <zabbadapp> i.e. live-tv in a "PiP" window with the epg? .... no problem here
[15:07] <Aquahallic> what video card you using?
[15:07] <Aquahallic> Nvidia?
[15:09] <laga> define "choking"? high cpu usage? that's caused by the deinterlacer for some reason
[15:09] <laga> a workaround was checked in the other day
[15:10] <Aquahallic> well... it seems that my Xorg runs at about 79% when viewing livetv... whether I'm in the guide or not
[15:10] <Aquahallic> which I thought was odd
[15:12] <Aquahallic> when I look at my dell laptop with an ATI card.. Xorg at practically nothing when viewing livetv
[15:12] <Aquahallic> something's not right... and no logs refer to anything wrong
[15:12] <Aquahallic> :/
[15:40] <Aquahallic> laga you still around?
[15:41] <Aquahallic> I just figured out why Xorg was chewing up so much cpu... I set "UseEvents" on my nvidia and it is MUCH better
[15:42] <Aquahallic> now it's like 2 or 3% watching livetv
[16:07] <MythbuntuGuest99> can someone tell me how to change my ip from static to dhcp using CLI
[16:07] <Greybeard> it's in /etc/network/interfaces
[16:09] <MythbuntuGuest99> when i type that it says /etc/network/interfaces not found
[16:10] <MythbuntuGuest99> i need to open it in a text editor right?
[16:10] <Greybeard> yep
[16:10] <MythbuntuGuest99> this is a new install and i don't think i have a text editor installed
[16:10] <MythbuntuGuest99> i don't know how to use pico
[16:10] <Greybeard> read the manpage for interfaces
[16:11] <MythbuntuGuest99> okay, thanks greybeard
[16:15] <Aquahallic> Mornin' Greybeard
[16:15] <Greybeard> hi
[16:15] <Aquahallic> thx for the help lastnight... got my card up and running pretty well now....
[16:16] <Greybeard> great!
[16:16] <Aquahallic> did windup still using nvidia's binary though... the free's wouldn't work right
[16:16] <Aquahallic> but.. it looks pretty good now
[16:16] <Greybeard> yeah, I didn't think the Free one would work well for Nvidia
[16:17] <Aquahallic> I use the proprietary on my other machine with a GeForce 4 M
[16:17] <Aquahallic> MX 440
[16:17] <Greybeard> the Free drivers for Nvidia have always been very inferior to the proprietary because Nvidia hasn't been cooperative
[16:17] <Aquahallic> and it works very well
[16:17] <Aquahallic> yeah... well... I'll take that over the mess I have with my ATI Radeon
[16:17] <Aquahallic> :/
[16:18] <Greybeard> neither one is a good situation currently
[16:18] <Greybeard> but there's hope for improvement using ATI/AMD
[16:18] <Aquahallic> well... open source is rapidly growing in leaps and bounds....
[16:19] <Greybeard> Intel might be a good choice too, but those only come integrated
[16:19] <Aquahallic> they're gonna all have to conform before too long
[16:20] <Aquahallic> need some other manufacturer to pop up and go full blown opensource and put some heat on the other guys....:P
[16:20] <Greybeard> since both Intel and AMD have, I think it's only a matter of time
[16:20] <Aquahallic> yeah.....
[16:21] <Aquahallic> if I could get my radeon to play nice with my compiz on my inspiron I'd be one HAPPY MOFO
[16:22] <Aquahallic> I have most all of it working now.... just when I spin my cube around with mythtv running on one side of it.... there's some issues with the overlays so you can't see the video all the way around
[16:22] <Greybeard> yeah, I've never gotten a Radeon card to work well for OpenGL using either radeon or fglrx, but it does work fine for Xvideo
[16:22] <Aquahallic> I'm using the free ATI driver right now
[16:23] <Greybeard> radeon or radeonhd?
[16:23] <MythbuntuGuest99> Greybeard: i keep getting an error saying i don't have permissions to save the file.
[16:23] <Aquahallic> sudo -s
[16:23] <Greybeard> you have to edit it as rood
[16:23] <Greybeard> root
[16:24] <MythbuntuGuest99> oh, thanks
[16:24] <Aquahallic> ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[16:24] <Aquahallic> 17" widescreen laptop
[16:24] <Greybeard> so, you must be using radeon, since radeonhd doesn't support ones that old
[16:25] <Greybeard> I'm using a 9600 card in my MythTV machine, but I don't need OpenGL on that
[16:25] <MythbuntuGuest99> much better, thanks again
[16:25] <Greybeard> good
[16:25] <Aquahallic> yeah... I want it on my laptop though..:(
[16:25] <Greybeard> right
[16:25] <Aquahallic> I have about 11 computers in this house
[16:25] <Greybeard> wow
[16:26] <Aquahallic> so I just use this IBM T60 to work on...
[16:26] <Greybeard> I thought it 3 was a lot
[16:26] <Aquahallic> lol
[16:26] <Aquahallic> so my 17" widescreen laptop is really just a little tv that sits on my coffee table....LMAO
[16:27] <Greybeard> expensive for the size
[16:27] <Aquahallic> this T60 does have a Nvidia card in it.. with a duo core processor on it... I should dual boot this thing with ubuntu...:P
[16:27] <Aquahallic> yeah... it sure is...LMAO
[16:27] <Greybeard> what do you need Windows for?
[16:27] <Aquahallic> work
[16:27] <zabbadapp> Aquahallic: why? isn't it a pain to maintain them all?
[16:28]  * Aquahallic is an IT guy
[16:28] <Aquahallic> and.. most of them running linux.....
[16:28] <zabbadapp> you're hosting at home?
[16:28] <Aquahallic> they just run
[16:28] <Aquahallic> lol
[16:28] <Aquahallic> no
[16:28] <Aquahallic> 3 kids... they got a desktop and a IBM laptop
[16:28] <Aquahallic> g'friend has a laptop
[16:28] <Aquahallic> 1 backend mythtv
[16:29] <Aquahallic> 3 frontends now
[16:29] <zabbadapp> ok makes sense
[16:29] <Aquahallic> got an asterisk pbx
[16:29] <Aquahallic> my work laptop
[16:29] <Aquahallic> and there's 2 more running around here doing odd jobs
[16:30] <Aquahallic> g'friend is a geek too.... so I make her take care of her's and the kids computers....LOL
[16:30] <Aquahallic> when she passes it over to me... it's REALLY broke by then...hehe
[16:31] <hume> hi... I have a regular ubuntu-installation, running gnome. Anyone knows what I need to add the possibility of a "mythtv"-session as well as gnome? I tried installing the mythbuntu-packages on top of existing mythtvfrontend, but i get problems with starting X (seems to start 2 x sessions)
[16:32] <Greybeard> sessions are defined in /usr/share/xsessions
[16:33] <hume> I mean, on other installations, I have had a special session, that I belive is openbox + mythtv, installed by some package - but not on this one
[16:37] <hume> found it, it was the ubuntu-mythtv-frontend package
[16:38] <Greybeard> I didn't know you were looking for it
[16:38] <hume> sorry, guess my question was somewhat unclear - i find it difficult to describe things like these
[16:38] <Aquahallic> hrm... what ya mean by another session?
[16:38]  * Aquahallic not real up to speed on X
[16:39] <MythbuntuGuest99> Greybeard: have you noticed when you do an IMDB search the movie posters are coming back as really low res
[16:39] <hume> x-session, now I can log in to Mythtv (openbox) instead of gnome
[16:39] <Greybeard> I haven't tried that function
[16:39] <hume> which is much lighter and I escape the dreadful default actions on DVD-insertion etc
[16:39] <MythbuntuGuest99> it is strange, i have noticed it for about the last couple of weeks.
[16:40] <Aquahallic> so how do you select between the 2?
[16:40] <Greybeard> the display manager such as gdm lets you choose
[16:40] <hume> yes
[16:40] <Aquahallic> hrm
[16:41] <Greybeard> but you may have to configure it not to automatically log in at startup
[16:41] <hume> but now... I have set myth to autoplay CDs on insertion, but it does not react... any ideas
[16:41] <Aquahallic> any errors in logs?
[16:42] <hume> Greybeard, my idea is to have it auto-log into myth, and then have a timed log in to gnome on log off.... so I can have myth as normal use, but easy acces to gnome
[16:42] <hume> Aquahallic, let me check
[16:42] <Greybeard> yeah, you can do that too
[16:43] <Aquahallic> hrm.. learning something here...:P
[16:43] <hume> nothing in the log about CD.... what should I look for?
[16:43] <Aquahallic> you looking in mythfrontend log?
[16:44] <hume> yes
[16:44] <Aquahallic> check messages
[16:44] <hume> message?
[16:44] <hume> /var/log/messages?
[16:44] <Greybeard> you may need to increase verbosity
[16:44]  * Aquahallic nods
[16:44] <Greybeard> the log is usually /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend
[16:45] <hume> how do I increas verbosity?
[16:45] <Greybeard> look at mythfrontend -v help
[16:46] <Aquahallic> hmm... I wonder if that would maybe kick something back about my guide choking in livetv
[16:50] <Aquahallic> hmmm
[16:50] <Aquahallic> is it normal for your launcher to have... mythfrontend --service
[16:50] <Greybeard> yes
[16:51] <Greybeard> that's not the real mythfrontend
[16:51] <Aquahallic> ??
[16:54] <Greybeard> if you're using "/usr/bin/mythfrontend --service" you'll have to edit "/etc/mythtv/session-settings" to change log verbosity
[16:54] <Aquahallic> what do you mean by not the real mythfrontend??
[16:54] <Greybeard> well, look at it
[16:54] <Aquahallic> :/
[16:55] <Aquahallic> dunno what you're getting at
[16:55] <Greybeard> look at /usr/bin/mythfrontend
[16:55] <Aquahallic> in a txt editor ya mean?
[16:55] <Greybeard> notice how it's different from /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real
[16:55] <Greybeard> run "ls -lh /usr/bin/mythfrontend*"
[16:58] <Aquahallic> mythfrontend is a link
[16:58] <MythbuntuGuest91> Greybeard: if i want to use a second machine for my son, and have the ability to store content on his machine too do i use the secondary backend setup?
[16:58] <Greybeard> indeed
[16:58] <Greybeard> mythbackends record TV; is that what you want to do?
[16:59] <MythbuntuGuest91> i am just using them as movie and music servers
[16:59] <Aquahallic> hrm... links to a shell script....
[16:59] <Greybeard> if you want to use the machine as a file server, use Samba or nfsd
[17:00] <Aquahallic> so lemme guess.... it links to a sh script that probably sets up some parameters then calls out mythfrontend.real
[17:00] <Aquahallic> am I right?
[17:00] <Greybeard> well, read it
[17:00] <Aquahallic> heh
[17:00] <MythbuntuGuest91> i use mythtv to record dvd's and music and also use them to play it as well, i don't use the tv function
[17:00] <Greybeard> the parameters are in /etc/mythtv/session-settings
[17:01] <MythbuntuGuest91> so i don't have to have 50 dvd's laying around as my kids change their minds
[17:01] <Greybeard> if you want Windows machines to have access to the files, use Samba, if only *nix machines, use NFS
[17:01] <Aquahallic> yup
[17:02] <Aquahallic> I just saw that.... so it makes session settings be held in there... instead of passing the CLI args
[17:02] <Greybeard> well the real args it passes mythfrontend.real are in /etc/mythtv/session-settings
[17:02] <Aquahallic> right
[17:03] <Aquahallic> and it ignores any CLI args you pass directly to mythfrontend
[17:03] <Aquahallic> well.. here's a kicker for ya
[17:03] <MythbuntuGuest91> i guess what i am saying is that i will have two Mythtv setups, mine has a terrabyte of storage, his has 250 gigs, i will store majority of the media on my machine it also plays the media on my tv. his will play on his, if i set his up as frontend only i will not be able to store media there will i?
[17:04] <Greybeard> and I'll say again: if you want to share files between machines, use Samba or NFS
[17:04] <Aquahallic> when I did mythfrontend -v all and didn't use the --service switch.... my guide worked correctly
[17:04] <Aquahallic> go figure
[17:04] <Aquahallic> lol
[17:05] <Greybeard> it seems that if you don't specify --service, the script passes all args to mythfrontend.real
[17:05] <Aquahallic> MythbuntuGuest91 I have a standalone backend that sits in my basement... I run NFS and connect back to it with my frontends... I also run Samba on it so my g'friend can connect with her winblows box and dump movies and songs on it
[17:06] <Greybeard> I use only Samba on my server machine because Windows understands it and it works pretty well for GNU/Linux clients
[17:06] <Aquahallic> on my frontends I mount up /var/lib/mythtv to the backend NFS export of the same dir
[17:07] <Aquahallic> then I have one single point of storage and management for my media
[17:08] <MythbuntuGuest91> i just thought that was handled from the install disk at initial configuration
[17:09] <Greybeard> what was handled?
[17:09] <MythbuntuGuest91> the configuration of file sharing, i am not strong in the linux world and i thought that the install cd if i chose frontend setup would allow me to point to the server
[17:10] <Greybeard> MCC does have buttons to enable Samba and NFS
[17:10] <Aquahallic> did you use the mythbuntu cd?
[17:10] <Aquahallic> if so you can choose the role
[17:10] <MythbuntuGuest91> yes, i setup to use samba like i said to transfer from my windows machine
[17:10] <Aquahallic> and like Greybeard said.. there's options in there to enable them
[17:11] <Aquahallic> if I remember correctly though.. you ahve to setup your exports manually
[17:11] <Greybeard> Samba is independent of MythTV
[17:11] <Greybeard> you can install it on any machine regardless of which MythTV role or components are installed
[17:11] <Aquahallic> yup
[17:12] <Aquahallic> synaptics... search samba
[17:12] <Aquahallic> I did it all with CLI though.. and edited my exports manually so I'm not sure how much the gui stuff does for you
[17:13] <Greybeard> it's on the MCC "System Services" page
[17:13] <Greybeard> to enable Samba at least
[17:13] <Aquahallic> yeah
[17:13] <Aquahallic> does it let you set the dir to export out?
[17:13] <Aquahallic> and the users and permissions?
[17:13] <Aquahallic> or you gotta do those in a txt editor?
[17:14] <Greybeard> MCC doesn't seem to any configuration of shares
[17:14] <Aquahallic> yeah
[17:14] <Aquahallic> think it's smb.conf
[17:14] <Greybeard> I've usually used swat or just edited /etc/samba/smb.conf manually
[17:14] <Aquahallic> heh.. yup
[17:15] <Aquahallic> MythbuntuGuest91 did you use the same usernames and password for both machines?
[17:16] <MythbuntuGuest91> i have not set up the second machine yet, i originally set it up as backend/frontend because it was just for my son and his dvds i liked it so much i built one
[17:16] <MythbuntuGuest91> so i am going to reconfigure his, they have different user names, same password
[17:16] <Aquahallic> your life will be much easier if you make both the same user and pass
[17:17] <Aquahallic> otherwise you have permissions you have to set and all that mess
[17:17] <MythbuntuGuest91> i will do that
[17:17] <Aquahallic> if you have myth running with user X and pass Y
[17:18] <Aquahallic> then you build another box and make user X and pass Y then it will authenticate as that same user and inherit it's permission and have access to the same resources
[17:18] <Aquahallic> did I say that right Greybeard?
[17:18] <Aquahallic> LOL
[17:19] <Greybeard> well, it depends which accounts you're talking about probably
[17:19] <MythbuntuGuest91> in the setup of his machine do i need to put the ip address of my machine in the local backend address and master backend ?
[17:20] <Aquahallic> well if he used the mythbunutu install it's prolly just a standalone mythtv box... and logs in with that user and has the correct access to the dirs already
[17:20] <Greybeard> if you mount a Samba (CIFS) share with the Linux CIFS driver, I think it will match accounts
[17:20] <Greybeard> I'm not sure if the CIFS driver uses names or UIDs to match accounts
[17:20] <Aquahallic> so if he authenticates with the same user and pass from the frontend box.. then it should have the same access
[17:20] <Aquahallic> ahh
[17:20] <Greybeard> NFS uses UIDs, not names
[17:20] <Greybeard> CIFS may be the same
[17:20] <Aquahallic> I think if you use samba it uses names
[17:21] <Greybeard> well, if you use the Linux CIFS client specifically
[17:21] <Greybeard> if you use the smbfs client, users aren't mapped at all
[17:21] <Aquahallic> right... you setup the authentication in the samba.conf
[17:22] <Aquahallic> but it seems I remember it mapping names to uids or something in the setup
[17:22] <Greybeard> yeah, but I was talking about ownership and permissions
[17:22] <Aquahallic> been so long... I don't remember...LOL
[17:22] <Greybeard> Samba has a lot of options related to authentication and user mapping, but you usually don't have to change them
[17:23] <Aquahallic> yeah
[17:23] <Aquahallic> there's lots of wikis out there anyways that'll walk ya through it all
[17:23] <Greybeard> anyway, file sharing will be simplest if you make sure usernames, passwords, and UIDs match
[17:24] <Greybeard> Samba doesn't use the same password database as local logins, so you have to set them separately
[17:24] <Aquahallic> yeah I remember that... had to run a command to add them
[17:25] <Aquahallic> man.... been a while... I set that thing up.. and now it just runs... I don't ever have to mess with it
[17:25] <Greybeard> so, that's one reason to use NFS if you have a homogeneous network
[17:33] <Aquahallic> Greybeard... if I run mythfronted --service then it passes what's in session-settings
[17:33] <Aquahallic> if there's nothing in there uncommented.. does it use all switches?
[17:33] <Aquahallic> or none?
[17:34] <Greybeard> what all switches?
[17:35] <Aquahallic> well... .here's what's going on
[17:35] <Greybeard> exec /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real --logfile "${MYTHFELOG}" "${MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS}"
[17:35] <Greybeard> that's the line in /usr/bin/mythfrontend
[17:36] <Aquahallic> if I run mythfrontend -v all then mythtv runs smooth and my guide works great in livetv
[17:36] <Aquahallic> if I run mythfrontend or mythfrontend --service that's when I have probs
[17:37] <Greybeard> run mythfrontend.real yourself to figure out what the offending options are
[17:37] <Aquahallic> you mean just exec that alone?
[17:37] <Aquahallic> no options
[17:38] <Greybeard> try it with no options then with the ones mythfrontend passes it
[17:38] <Aquahallic> I guess what I'm asking is.... see that mythfrontend_opts
[17:38] <Aquahallic> where are those options at?
[17:38] <Aquahallic> as in... what's populating that var
[17:39] <Greybeard> MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS is set in /etc/mythtv/session-settings I mentioned earlier
[17:39] <Aquahallic> ok.. there's nothing uncommented in there
[17:39] <Aquahallic> so WTF
[17:39] <Aquahallic> lol
[17:40] <Aquahallic> looks like it's passing no options
[17:41] <Aquahallic> and when I do pass an option like.. -v all it runs fine
[17:41] <Aquahallic> :/
[17:41] <Greybeard> if you want to see the exact command line of a currently running process, use "ps auxw|grep mythfrontend.real"
[17:44] <Aquahallic> rich      6759  7.7  4.6 140540 47796 ?        SLl  12:42   0:02 /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log
[17:44] <Greybeard> there you go
[17:44] <Aquahallic> so.. no args just passing off the logfile location
[17:44] <Greybeard> it only seems to be setting logfile
[17:44] <Aquahallic> well that's just WEIRD man... with no args.. my guide won't work.. if I use -v all it works great
[17:45] <Aquahallic> how on EARTH does that work
[17:45] <Aquahallic> LOL
[17:45] <Greybeard> must be a bug
[17:45] <Greybeard> see if you can narrow it down with a different -v option
[17:45] <Aquahallic> but.. if you don't spec a -v option
[17:45] <Aquahallic> it's not using any of them is it?
[17:46] <Greybeard> look at mythfrontend -v help
[17:46] <Aquahallic> yeah I did
[17:46] <Greybeard> "The default for this program appears to be: '-v important,general'"
[17:50] <Greybeard> it looks like there are a number of crash bugs related to the guide
[17:51] <Greybeard> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/search?q=crash+guide&noquickjump=1&ticket=on&changeset=on&wiki=on
[17:52] <MythbuntuGuest91> okay guys i got the fresh install done, what do i do now to have it be able to retrieve content from my server?  i enabled nfs and samba
[17:52] <Greybeard> you'll need to configure one
[17:52] <MythbuntuGuest91> is there anywhere i can read how to do that?
[17:54] <MythbuntuGuest91> if i open the conf file in an editor, i don't know what to do
[17:54] <Aquahallic> Greybeard... check this out
[17:54] <Greybeard> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba
[17:55] <Aquahallic> if I use -v important... guide screwed
[17:55] <Greybeard> interesting
[17:55] <Aquahallic> if I use -v general... guide screwed
[17:55] <Aquahallic> if I use -v all
[17:55] <Aquahallic> works great
[17:55] <Greybeard> see if one of the existing bug reports matches what you see
[17:56] <Aquahallic> I didn't spec the logfile though so it's not going to my mythfrontend.log
[17:56] <Aquahallic> or it'd be slam full with -v all
[17:56] <Greybeard> see if you can find a specific -v option that prevents the crash
[17:56] <Aquahallic> let me try to set the -v all in the session-settings and let it pass the logfile
[17:57] <Aquahallic> k... but lemme set it to output to the logfile first.. see if it bombs
[17:58] <Aquahallic> I'mma set that arg in session-settings
[17:58] <Aquahallic> so it does all the other mess the script has it do.. see if it's still resolved... if so. .... then you're right... there's ONE of those -v args that's making it work correctly
[17:59] <Aquahallic> and I'll run it down and post it on one of the bugs so the devs can hone in on the prob
[17:59] <Aquahallic> :P
[17:59] <Greybeard> and if you should report the bug if you can narrow it down
[18:00] <Aquahallic> right
[18:00] <Aquahallic> ok... I just did... MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS="--verbose all
[18:00] <Aquahallic> so let's see what happens... now all the verbose msgs should populate in my mythfrontend.log
[18:00] <Aquahallic> :P
[18:01] <Greybeard> right
[18:01] <Greybeard> that much logging can slow the machine down
[18:01] <Aquahallic> yeah.. it's a 2.4 gig with 1 gig of mem though.. so.. let's see how it handles it
[18:01] <Aquahallic> :P
[18:02] <Greybeard> yeah, it won't bring it to its knees, but it will take a bunch of space and CPU usage of mythfrontend will probably go up
[18:07] <Easy_Rider9999> hallo! Is Ubuntu normally using metacity windows manager, I just had to uninstall and install something after the nvidia driver wouldn't run any more.
[18:07] <Greybeard> yeah, it's usually metacity
[18:07] <Aquahallic> huh....
[18:07] <Greybeard> unless you choose desktop effects of course
[18:08] <MythbuntuGuest91> i guess this is just beyond me, i don't understand what i am supposed to do
[18:08] <Aquahallic> well... when I uncomment their example... it won't even start
[18:08] <Aquahallic> when I recomment it... it starts up correctly
[18:08] <Aquahallic> :/
[18:08] <Greybeard> when you uncomment what?
[18:08] <Greybeard> ﻿MythbuntuGuest91: what are you trying to do?
[18:08] <Aquahallic> if you look at session-settings
[18:08] <Easy_Rider9999> I switched off desktop effects because I had performance problems with Mythtv: a lot of dropped frames and audio buffer overflows
[18:09] <Aquahallic> there's a commented line that sets the args
[18:09] <MythbuntuGuest91> i am just trying to have my sons mythtv box be able to play my media that is on my box
[18:09] <Aquahallic> MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS="--verbose all,nodatabase"
[18:09] <Greybeard> you need to mount the remote share to see the files locally
[18:10] <Aquahallic> when I uncomment that line.. mythfrontend --service won't even start
[18:10] <Greybeard> so, what happens when you start mythfrontend.real with those options?
[18:10] <Aquahallic> if I recomment it back... it happens
[18:10] <MythbuntuGuest91> i am such a newbie to this all, i don't understand the process. how do i mount that
[18:10] <Aquahallic> you mean try exec mythfrontend.real --verbose all,nodatabase
[18:10] <Greybeard> depends on which protocol it is
[18:10] <Aquahallic> directly??
[18:11] <MythbuntuGuest91> meaning samba or nfs?
[18:11] <Greybeard> yeah, that's a good way to see what's happening
[18:11] <Greybeard> yeah
[18:11] <Aquahallic> k
[18:11] <Easy_Rider9999> is it possible to give mythbackend a higher priority so that recordings cant get interrupted?
[18:11] <MythbuntuGuest91> when i go to system and shared folders the folders are smb
[18:12] <Aquahallic> works great and my guide works right
[18:12] <Aquahallic> so.. there's a freaking bug right there
[18:13] <Greybeard> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba#CIFS
[18:13] <Greybeard> what options cause mythfrontend to crash?
[18:13] <Aquahallic> looks like it's not an option that is present that makes the guide hang... looks more like when an option isn't present it hangs
[18:14] <Aquahallic> cause with -v all it works fine
[18:14] <MythbuntuGuest91> do i mount it on my sons?
[18:15] <Aquahallic> and it doesn't crash it really... if you wait it out... it'll finally let it go.. then once you've backed out of guide everything works great
[18:15] <Greybeard> mounting a remote file system make the files on the remote server available
[18:16] <Greybeard> ok
[18:16] <Greybeard> that's very odd
[18:16] <MythbuntuGuest91> i suck at command line stuff, there is no gui way of doing this?
[18:16] <Aquahallic> yeah no kidding
[18:16] <Greybeard> there is in the same Wiki page
[18:16] <Aquahallic> and cpu doesn't spike
[18:17] <Aquahallic> no logs that pertain to anything
[18:17] <Greybeard> that describes how to do it in a GNOME session I believe
[18:17] <Greybeard> what do you mean "﻿no logs that pertain to anything" ?
[18:17] <Aquahallic> well.. when I was running my launcher of mythfrontend --service and it was outputing to a logfile
[18:18] <Aquahallic> there were no errors in there
[18:18] <Aquahallic> or.. on my backend's log either
[18:18] <Aquahallic> it's real elusive
[18:19] <Aquahallic> now... when I just ran mythfrontend.real --verbose all,nodatabase
[18:19] <Aquahallic> there was no logfile declared..
[18:20] <Greybeard> if you don't tell it a logfile, it will just log to stderr I think
[18:24] <Aquahallic> ok so... if I wanted to pass off all those args
[18:24] <Aquahallic> mythfrontend.real -l /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log -v all,nodatabase
[18:24] <Aquahallic> ??
[18:32] <Easy_Rider9999> ﻿is it possible to give mythbackend a higher priority so that recordings cant get interrupted?
[18:35] <MythbuntuGuest91> i give up, thanks for the direction guys, but i guess i just don't get it.
[18:36] <Greybeard> you don't get what exactly?
[18:38] <Aquahallic> Greybeard am I supposed to edit that sessions-settings directly?
[18:38] <Aquahallic> or should I be doing it somewhere else?
[18:39] <Greybeard> MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS="--verbose important,general,playback" is set in /etc/mythtv/session-settings
[18:39] <MythbuntuGuest91> i get lost in that i don't understand the commands, i am looking for a command by command guide, that will help me understand
[18:39] <Greybeard> well, that's what I have currently
[18:40] <MythbuntuGuest91> i guess not having a grasp on the terminology is what is hindering me
[18:40] <Greybeard> what term is confusing?
[18:42] <Aquahallic> right but when I uncomment the MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS then it won't launch
[18:42] <Aquahallic> if I comment that back in.. it launches....:/
[18:42] <Greybeard> any messages?
[18:42] <MythbuntuGuest91> i am not comfortable in the cli
[18:43] <Greybeard> so use a GUI
[18:43] <Aquahallic> nope
[18:43] <Aquahallic> but I just found out why
[18:44] <Aquahallic> I didn't uncomment the mythwelcome var declaration
[18:44] <Greybeard> so you were running mythwelcome
[18:44] <Greybeard> if you use mythwelcome, it gets even more complex
[18:44] <Aquahallic> no I just ran mythfrontend --service
[18:44] <Greybeard> then, mythwelcome has its own command to start mythfrontend.real
[18:45] <Greybeard> if MYTHWELCOME was set to "true", you were using mythwelcome
[18:45] <Aquahallic> how's mythfrontend --service run mythwelcome
[18:45] <Aquahallic> :|
[18:45] <Aquahallic> hahaha
[18:45] <Greybeard> how?
[18:46] <Greybeard> read it
[18:46] <Aquahallic> where the HELL is that set
[18:46] <Greybeard> I thought you just mentioned "﻿mythwelcome var"
[18:47] <Aquahallic> ok
[18:47] <Aquahallic> now
[18:47] <Aquahallic> I've always had a launcher on my desktop
[18:47] <Aquahallic> mythfrontend --service
[18:47] <Aquahallic> that being said
[18:48] <Aquahallic> it should then run mythfrontend.real with the args that I set inside of session-settings
[18:48] <Aquahallic> right?
[18:48] <Greybeard> that's one way
[18:48] <Greybeard> or you could just keep using mythfrontend --service
[18:49] <Aquahallic> no I mean
[18:49] <MythbuntuGuest91> when i make a directory do i name it the same as the one i am sharing, /var/lib/mythtv/videos aready exist on both
[18:49] <Aquahallic> since I was using mythfrontend --service
[18:49] <Greybeard> you do need a directory on which to mount a remote filesystem
[18:49] <Aquahallic> that was in actuallity calling mythfrontend.real and adding the args that live in session-settings along with setting the logfile path
[18:49] <Greybeard> when you mount the remote filesystem, whatever's in the local one will be hidden
[18:50] <Greybeard> yeah, that's pretty much what mythfrontend --service does
[18:50] <Aquahallic> right
[18:50] <Aquahallic> so
[18:50] <Aquahallic> being that there was nothing uncommented in session-settings
[18:50] <Aquahallic> it was just using the default args
[18:51] <Aquahallic> along with adding the logfile path
[18:51] <Aquahallic> so... that being said... I wanted to set my own args in there
[18:52] <Greybeard> if MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS isn't set, it will contain an empty string
[18:52] <Aquahallic> right
[18:52] <Aquahallic> so I uncommented that
[18:52] <Aquahallic> and used --verbose all,nodatabase that was prepopulated there
[18:52] <Aquahallic> so
[18:52] <Aquahallic> that being said
[18:53] <Aquahallic> when I do... mythfrontend --service... it should
[18:53] <Aquahallic> set the logfile
[18:53] <Aquahallic> execute mythfrontend.real with the args that are stated in the MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS
[18:53] <Aquahallic> right?
[18:53] <Greybeard> that's what it looks like to me
[18:53] <Aquahallic> me too
[18:54] <Aquahallic> ok
[18:54] <Aquahallic> so... I uncomment the MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS
[18:54] <Greybeard> like I said, you can always check the actual command line running with ps
[18:54] <Aquahallic> and execute mythfrontend --service launcher
[18:54] <Aquahallic> and it does absolutely nothing
[18:54] <Greybeard> what about when you run it from a terminal?
[18:55] <Aquahallic> same I think
[18:55] <Aquahallic> lemme do that now but I'm sure I tried that
[18:55] <Aquahallic> sec
[18:56] <Aquahallic> ok.. hold up
[18:56] <Aquahallic> I think I see what's going on here
[18:57] <Aquahallic> when I uncommented the OPTS it then wanted to see the mythwelcome var set
[18:57] <Aquahallic> so until I uncommented that one it wouldn't run
[18:57] <Greybeard> oh, I see
[18:57] <Aquahallic> well
[18:57] <Aquahallic> it was set to true
[18:57] <Greybeard> so, set it to "false"
[18:57] <Aquahallic> so when I just exited out of mythtv
[18:57] <Aquahallic> it was at that mythwelcome screen and wouldn't lemme outta it
[18:57] <Aquahallic> yup.. that's what I'mma do
[18:57] <Greybeard> mythwelcome has an exit option in the menu
[18:57] <Greybeard> hit the menu key or "m"
[18:58] <Aquahallic> then the script should run properly and take those OPTS like we think it should
[18:58] <Greybeard> only one way to find out
[18:58] <Aquahallic> ;)
[18:58] <Aquahallic> I'm rebooting the box now
[18:58] <Aquahallic> make sure everything's flushed out clean
[18:59] <MythbuntuGuest91> when i type sudo mount -a i get an error
[18:59] <Greybeard> what is it?
[19:00] <MythbuntuGuest91> retrying with upper case share name
[19:00] <MythbuntuGuest91> mount error 6 = No such device or address
[19:00] <MythbuntuGuest91> Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)
[19:01] <Greybeard> we're going to need more details to know what's happening
[19:01] <tgm4883_laptop> pastebin your fstab
[19:02] <Aquahallic> ugghhhh
[19:02] <Aquahallic> ok.. no joy
[19:02] <Aquahallic> if I set MYTHWELCOME=false
[19:02] <Aquahallic> does nothing still
[19:03] <Aquahallic> and if I set mythwelcome=false and comment out the OPTS it works
[19:03] <Aquahallic> :|
[19:04] <MythbuntuGuest91> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[19:04] <Greybeard> as far as I can tell, MYTHWELCOME is only significant if it's set to true
[19:04] <MythbuntuGuest91> i cannot paste all of my fstab in here
[19:04] <tgm4883_laptop> !pastebin | MythbuntuGuest91
[19:04] <Zinn> MythbuntuGuest91: when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel.  Then please post the link in the channel.
[19:04] <Aquahallic> so do it in a pastebin MythbuntuGuest91
[19:05] <Greybeard> ﻿Aquahallic: what's your /etc/mythtv/session-settings exactly?
[19:06] <Aquahallic> sec I'll pastebin
[19:07] <MythbuntuGuest91> http://www.mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m5e87a94f
[19:07] <tgm4883_laptop> remove line 10
[19:07] <Aquahallic> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d203d149a
[19:08] <tgm4883_laptop> IIRC, you can't have blank lines in fstab
[19:08] <Aquahallic> that works
[19:08] <Greybeard> also, if you use backslashes in a share name, you'll probably have to double all of them
[19:08] <Greybeard> and which doesn't work?
[19:08] <Aquahallic> but as soon as I uncomment that MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS it won't
[19:08] <Aquahallic> but
[19:09] <Aquahallic> if I uncomment MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS and set MYTHWELCOME to true it works
[19:09] <tritium> Good day.  I'm a lucky guy.  My TV is under warranty until Tuesday.  They're going to come fix my speaker.
[19:09] <Greybeard> great!
[19:09] <tritium> :)
[19:09] <Aquahallic> sweet...:)
[19:09] <tritium> I couldnt' be much luckier than that, eh?
[19:09] <Greybeard> so, it expired just a bit later than you had thought?
[19:09] <tritium> Yes!
[19:09] <Greybeard> it seems it was a defective design
[19:09] <tritium> Indeed.
[19:10] <tritium> How's the nvidia working for you Aquahallic?
[19:10] <Greybeard> "proper" ones would fail as soon as the warranty expires
[19:10] <tritium> heh, no kidding
[19:10] <MythbuntuGuest91> i tried a way i found on a different forum to mount and share and when i try sudo mount -a it gives that error
[19:10] <Aquahallic> got it working great... but I had to use the binary
[19:10] <MythbuntuGuest91> i changed the things y'all said and still no joy
[19:10] <tritium> The one from nvidia.com?
[19:10] <Greybeard> ﻿MythbuntuGuest91: change your backslashes to regular ones
[19:11] <Aquahallic> but it's going very well now.. and found the Xorg option to bring my Xorg cpu use down right
[19:11] <Aquahallic> yeah... from nvidia.com
[19:11] <tritium> Aquahallic: really?  Is it newer than what's in the repos?
[19:11] <MythbuntuGuest91> i did change those.  here is the link i followed
[19:11] <MythbuntuGuest91> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=667580
[19:11] <tritium> Which option is that, Aquahallic?
[19:11] <Aquahallic> UseEvents
[19:11] <tritium> interesting
[19:12] <Greybeard> enabling UseEvents should usually reduce CPU usage
[19:12] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, //192.168.1.129/videos != \\192.168.1.2\videos
[19:12] <tgm4883_laptop> to clarify
[19:12] <tritium> Glad to know.
[19:12] <tgm4883_laptop> / != \\
[19:12] <Aquahallic> brought my cpu usage from Xorg from 79% down to 9%
[19:12] <Aquahallic> lol
[19:12] <tgm4883_laptop>   __
[19:12] <tgm4883_laptop>  /   \
[19:12] <tgm4883_laptop> oh so close
[19:13] <MythbuntuGuest91> http://www.mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m60e0da15
[19:13] <MythbuntuGuest91> that is what it looks like now
[19:13] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, yes, that looks much better
[19:13] <MythbuntuGuest91> still doesnt work though
[19:14] <tgm4883_laptop> same error?
[19:14] <MythbuntuGuest91> yes sir
[19:14] <Greybeard> does "smbclient //192.168.1.2/videos" work?
[19:14] <Greybeard> is Samba running on 192.168.1.2?
[19:14] <MythbuntuGuest91> do i type that in terminal?
[19:14] <Greybeard> yes
[19:19] <MythbuntuGuest91> http://www.mythbuntu.pastebin.com/mb3ffdf8
[19:19] <MythbuntuGuest91> that is what happens when i do that
[19:20] <Greybeard> I believe that means you don't have a share called "video" defined
[19:20] <tgm4883_laptop> um
[19:20] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[19:21]  * tgm4883_laptop is reading backlog
[19:22] <Greybeard> so, let's see your smb.conf on ﻿192.168.1.2
[19:22] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, do you have a Ubuntu System?
[19:22] <vilemaxim> anybody else had a problem the myth connecting to mysql after an upgrade
[19:22] <vilemaxim> ?
[19:22] <Greybeard> upgrade of MythTV?
[19:23] <vilemaxim> aptitude upgrade
[19:23] <tgm4883_laptop> err, bleh, um.....
[19:23] <Greybeard> so, what was upgraded?
[19:23] <MythbuntuGuest91> http://www.mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m73c6e980
[19:23] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, are you planning on sharing these videos to a windows system?
[19:23] <MythbuntuGuest91> my main box where my media will be stored is 192.168.1.7, the client is the .2 address
[19:24] <vilemaxim> not really sure.  I use debian and I'm not use to having to pay attention to upgrade breaking things.  I figured if lots of people had the problem then people here might know the fix.
[19:24] <Greybeard> so, why were you trying to mount from ﻿192.168.1.2 ?
[19:24] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, was that in response to me?
[19:24] <Greybeard> well, if mythtv can't connect to mysql, the first thing to check is whether mysql is running
[19:25] <vilemaxim>  Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[19:25] <MythbuntuGuest91> tgm4883_laptop: i am using MythBuntu
[19:26] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, if you dont plan on sharing with windows machines, you could use NFS.  Which IMO is a better solution
[19:26] <tgm4883_laptop> but first
[19:26] <tgm4883_laptop> lets try changing one thing
[19:26] <Greybeard> yes, NFS is easier if you don't need Windows
[19:26] <tgm4883_laptop> I actually think we almost got this
[19:26] <vilemaxim> I'm guessing my database must be messed up
[19:27] <tgm4883_laptop> vilemaxim, you shouldn't guess
[19:27] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, your sons machine is the .2 address right?
[19:27] <MythbuntuGuest91> yes
[19:27] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, your machine is the .7 then?
[19:27] <MythbuntuGuest91> correct
[19:27] <vilemaxim> tgm4883_laptop: what does that mean
[19:27] <vilemaxim> ?
[19:27] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, pastebin your sons /etc/fstab
[19:27] <Greybeard> probably exactly what it sounds like
[19:28] <Greybeard> if the database is damaged, optimize_mythdb.pl might fix it
[19:28] <vilemaxim> but I shouldn't run it unless I know?
[19:28] <tgm4883_laptop> vilemaxim, I see far too many people say stuff like "I can't connect to my db, so my db must be messed up"
[19:28] <tgm4883_laptop> then these same people go and reinstall the db
[19:28] <Greybeard> it's safe to run ﻿optimize_mythdb.pl
[19:29] <MythbuntuGuest91> that was my sons fstab, did i do everything in the wrong machine?
[19:29] <Greybeard> I have it run automatically daily, which is a good idea
[19:29] <tgm4883_laptop> vilemaxim, if your car didn't start, would you automatically replace the engine?
[19:29] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, no, but i want to be sure of something
[19:29] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, send me the link again
[19:30] <vilemaxim> tgm4883_laptop: I see you advocating a position without an alternative and I never said I was going to reinstall.  so if you aren;t helping then you are just increasing the noise level.
[19:30] <Greybeard> ﻿MythbuntuGuest91: which machine is serving files and which is mounting?
[19:30] <MythbuntuGuest91> http://www.mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m60e0da15
[19:31] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, theres your problem
[19:31] <tgm4883_laptop> /192.168.1.2/videos  /var/lib/mythtv/videos/smb_videos  cifs  guest,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=unicode,unicode  0  0
[19:31] <MythbuntuGuest91> .7 is serving, i did the whole mounting thing on .2
[19:31] <tgm4883_laptop> should be
[19:31] <tgm4883_laptop> /192.168.1.7/videos  /var/lib/mythtv/videos/smb_videos  cifs  guest,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=unicode,unicode  0  0
[19:31] <Greybeard> yeah, that's what I thought
[19:31] <tgm4883_laptop> you are trying to mount a samba share from the same machine, and that share doesn't exist
[19:31] <MythbuntuGuest91> so i mount on .7?
[19:32] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[19:32] <tgm4883_laptop> heh
[19:32] <tgm4883_laptop> on your sons computer.  just change that line in fstab to be .7 instead of .2
[19:32] <tgm4883_laptop> save it, then do sudo mount -a
[19:32] <Greybeard> "//192.168.1.2/videos" means the share called videos on ﻿﻿﻿﻿﻿﻿192.168.1.2
[19:33] <tgm4883_laptop> to break it down a little more
[19:33] <tgm4883_laptop> "/192.168.1.7/videos" that first section is what/where you are mounting from
[19:33] <tgm4883_laptop> the second section "/var/lib/mythtv/videos/smb_videos" is where you want to mount it to (where on your computer)
[19:34] <MythbuntuGuest91> so how do i tell my sons computer to look there for content
[19:35] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, the first section needs to have the ip address of the server computer, not the client computer
[19:36] <tgm4883_laptop> vilemaxim, do you use apt-get, aptitude, synaptic?
[19:36] <vilemaxim> Greybeard: yeah the optimize command is getting access denied.  I cannot get to the database using mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg.
[19:37] <vilemaxim> tgm4883_laptop: I actually use the gui taskbar apt tool.  Not sure what it's backend is.
[19:37] <MythbuntuGuest91> i did it all in the wrong computer, but i still don't understand how i get my sons computer to see the media
[19:38] <Greybeard> ﻿vilemaxim: then your password must have changed
[19:38] <vilemaxim> Greybeard: I changed it myself in attempt to get past this, but the new password is doing the same.  fun fun
[19:39] <tgm4883_laptop> vilemaxim, how did you change the password?
[19:39] <vilemaxim> Greybeard: I can get in as root, but not mythtv
[19:39] <vilemaxim> phpmyadmin
[19:39] <vilemaxim> using user root
[19:39] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, so who's computer is Samba Server set up on?
[19:39] <Greybeard> ﻿MythbuntuGuest91: have you mounted ﻿//192.168.1.7/videos ?
[19:39] <vilemaxim> When I login I get  Unable to access MythTV Perl API.  Try with --verbose to find out why.
[19:39] <Greybeard> ﻿vilemaxim: if you can connect as root, you can change the password for mythtv
[19:40] <MythbuntuGuest91> i have the same setup on both
[19:40] <vilemaxim> Greybeard: yeah I did that
[19:40] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, ok
[19:40] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, on your sons computer
[19:40] <Greybeard> and you can connect to mythconverg as mythtv?
[19:40] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, change the fstab line to read
[19:40] <tgm4883_laptop>  //192.168.1.7/videos  /var/lib/mythtv/videos/smb_videos  cifs  guest,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=unicode,unicode  0  0
[19:41] <tgm4883_laptop> lets see what happens when we do that
[19:41] <vilemaxim> Greybeard: I get the same access denied error before and after changing the password
[19:41] <Greybeard> well, then you must not be giving the right password
[19:41] <tgm4883_laptop> vilemaxim, and you are on the same machine as the mysql server?
[19:41] <Greybeard> mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg
[19:41] <MythbuntuGuest91> but i never mounted anything on my computer
[19:42] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, right, just do it ;)
[19:43] <MythbuntuGuest91> done
[19:43] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, ok, does "sudo mount -a" still give an error on your sons computer?
[19:43] <MythbuntuGuest91> no that worked
[19:43] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[19:44] <MythbuntuGuest91> no error
[19:44] <tgm4883_laptop> is it mounted at /var/lib/mythtv/videos/smb_videos
[19:44] <vilemaxim> Greybeard: thanks for the sanity check.... I must of messed up the password when I updated mysql.
[19:44] <MythbuntuGuest91> how do i check?
[19:44] <vilemaxim> tgm4883_laptop: yeah... looks like user error
[19:45] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, "ls /var/lib/mythtv/videos/smb_videos"
[19:45] <Greybeard> ﻿vilemaxim: the real question is why you messed with mysql at all
[19:45] <tgm4883_laptop> and see if your movies are in there?
[19:45] <vilemaxim> Greybeard: because I was getting access denied
[19:45] <tgm4883_laptop> Greybeard, I see it all the time
[19:46] <MythbuntuGuest91> yes they are in there
[19:46] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, sweet
[19:46] <MythbuntuGuest91> this is getting exciting
[19:46] <MythbuntuGuest91> now what?
[19:46] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, ....
[19:47] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, what else do you want to do?
[19:47] <MythbuntuGuest91> i want to see the videos when i browse in mythtv ui
[19:47] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, all I knew was you wanted to mount your videos on your sons computer
[19:47] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, and we did that ;)
[19:47] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, Mission Accomplished
[19:47] <MythbuntuGuest91> yes we did, now how do i see them and play them on his pc?
[19:47] <Greybeard> if you want to see the videos in mythvideo, you have to make sure the right path is set
[19:48] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[19:48] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, thats the easy part ;)
[19:48] <MythbuntuGuest91> excellent
[19:49] <tgm4883_laptop> Greybeard, can you handle it from here?  I'm trying to get some stuff packaged for 8.10 release
[19:49] <vilemaxim> where does mysql look for it's password
[19:50] <MythbuntuGuest91> tgm4883_laptop: do i just add that directory in mythtv setup?
[19:50] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, no, in the frontend
[19:51] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, in the frontend, under setup > media setup > mythvideos
[19:51] <tgm4883_laptop> or something like that
[19:51] <Greybeard> ok
[19:51] <Greybeard> mysql stores its passwords internally
[19:52] <Greybeard> you shouldn't mess with that
[19:52] <vilemaxim> I meant mythtv
[19:52] <vilemaxim> mythtv for mysql
[19:53] <Greybeard> "/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt" contains mysql connection parameters
[19:53] <tgm4883_laptop> Greybeard, but thats not where to change that info
[19:53] <tgm4883_laptop> thats just basically a readonly type of thing
[19:53] <Greybeard> what do you mean?
[19:54] <Greybeard> "﻿vilemaxim: where does mysql look for it's password"
[19:54] <Greybeard> that's where it looks
[19:54] <MythbuntuGuest91> now when i go to watch videos i have to navigate through different folders to get to the movies, can i mount to /var/liv/mythtv/videos instead of /var/lib/mythtv/videos/smb_videos?
[19:55] <MythbuntuGuest91> would that just put my videos right in his video directory?
[19:56] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, actually, what you probably want to do is mount it at /var/lib/mythtv/smb_videos
[19:56] <Greybeard> you can tell mythvideo to look in any directory
[19:56] <tgm4883_laptop> then in mythtv frontend in the setting you were just at
[19:56] <tgm4883_laptop> have mythvideo look in multiple directories
[19:57] <tgm4883_laptop> but if you mount one inside the other and have mythvideo look at multiple directories you will have issues
[19:58] <Greybeard> right, no need to do that
[19:59] <Aquahallic> ok... question
[19:59] <Aquahallic> if I wanted to just execute mythfrontend.real with 2 args
[20:00] <MythbuntuGuest91> what i am doing is allowing some media to be stored on his machine as well as read from mine, when i put the two directories in i have to browse to which directory i want to use, just kind of clunky that way
[20:00] <Aquahallic> like... mythfrontend.real --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log --verbose all,nodatabase
[20:00] <Aquahallic> what's the correct syntax?
[20:01] <Greybeard> ﻿MythbuntuGuest91: Mythvideo has several modes
[20:01] <Greybeard> some flatten the tree
[20:02] <MythbuntuGuest91> i did not know that
[20:02] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, yes, what you want to do, is move your mount point
[20:02] <Greybeard> get the menu while you're in Mythvideo
[20:02] <Greybeard> I'm not sure moving the mount point will do what is desired
[20:03] <tgm4883_laptop> Greybeard, if you move the mountpoint outside of /var/lib/mythtv/videos then it won't show up as a sub folder of it
[20:03] <Greybeard> but two different folders need to be searched for videos
[20:04] <Greybeard> if you use Mythvideo's tree mode, they will always appear separate
[20:04] <tgm4883_laptop> Greybeard, right
[20:04] <tgm4883_laptop> so in mythvideo setup
[20:04] <MythbuntuGuest91> i moved it into the original and it did what i was looking to do,but if that is going to cause problems i will use the tree mode
[20:04] <Greybeard> if you use one of the other modes, it'll flatten the tree
[20:04] <tgm4883_laptop> instead of doing /var/lib/mythtv/videos
[20:04] <tgm4883_laptop> you do
[20:04] <tgm4883_laptop>  /var/lib/mythtv/videos: /var/lib/mythtv/smb_videos
[20:05] <MythbuntuGuest91> tgm4883: i did that first, but did not mess with the tree settings
[20:05] <Aquahallic> tgm4883_laptop do you know what the correct syntax would be to run mythfrontend.real with multiple switches?
[20:07] <Aquahallic> hah... got it
[20:09] <vilemaxim> Greybeard: looks like my real problem is the table recordmatch  "is marked as crashed".  This is  from syslog. I should have checked there first I guess
[20:09] <Greybeard> like I said, run ﻿optimize_mythdb.pl
[20:10] <vilemaxim> I'm getting a access denied on that
[20:11] <Greybeard> if it can't connect, I doubt other mythtv apps can
[20:13] <vilemaxim> myth front end seems unaffected.. can see videos, guide seems to work
[20:13] <vilemaxim> Greybeard: is it possible that it stores looks for the password it a different place
[20:14] <Greybeard> make sure  ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt points to /etc/mysql/mythtv.txt
[20:16] <vilemaxim> it does.  I changed the user name in /etc/mysql/mythtv.txt and it still showsDBI connect('database=mythconverg:host=localhost;port=3306','mythtv',...)  failed: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost'
[20:16] <vilemaxim> hardcoded?
[20:17] <Greybeard> optimize_mythdb.pl should be using the same config as any other myth app AFAICT
[20:17] <Greybeard> it starts with:
[20:17] <Greybeard> # Includes
[20:17] <Greybeard>     use DBI;
[20:17] <Greybeard>     use MythTV;
[20:17] <Greybeard> # Connect to mythbackend
[20:17] <Greybeard>     my $Myth = new MythTV({'connect' => 0});
[20:17] <Greybeard> # Connect to the database
[20:17] <Greybeard>     $dbh = $Myth->{'dbh'};
[20:18] <Aquahallic> Greybeard
[20:18] <vilemaxim> yeah I was looking through there myself
[20:18] <vilemaxim> but I have DBUserName=root
[20:19] <vilemaxim> as a test
[20:19] <Aquahallic> remember how when you run the mythfrontend --service
[20:19] <Aquahallic> it should only run as default general,important
[20:19] <Greybeard> well, that's mythfrontend's default log level
[20:19] <Aquahallic> so when I had everything commented out
[20:20] <Aquahallic> in session-settings
[20:20] <Aquahallic> that's what you'd expect it to do
[20:20] <Greybeard> yes
[20:20] <Aquahallic> well
[20:20] <Greybeard> unless you're using mythwelcome
[20:20] <MythbuntuGuest91> greybeard: now everytime i try to mkdir /var/lib/videos/smb_share it puts smb_share inside of the videos folder, is that right?
[20:21] <Aquahallic> I just did mythfrontend.real --logfile /var/lib/mythtv/mythfrontend.log --verbose general,important
[20:21] <Aquahallic> runs great
[20:21] <Greybeard> yes, that would create a new directory in ﻿/var/lib/videos called videos
[20:21] <Greybeard> ok, good
[20:21] <Aquahallic> so there's something in that mythfrontend script that's causing probs
[20:22] <Greybeard> do you have MYTHWELCOME set to true?
[20:22] <tgm4883_laptop> vilemaxim, if I were you, i'd try resetting the mythtv password
[20:22] <tgm4883_laptop> you might be able to get away with just "dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common"
[20:23] <tgm4883_laptop> but if that doesn't work you will need to do "dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database" before that
[20:23] <Greybeard> not ﻿"dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database" ?
[20:23] <tgm4883_laptop> Greybeard, well I'm trying to get away with not having to do that, but it might  be needed first.  The reason is that he already knows what the mythtv password is because he set it using phpmyadmin
[20:24] <Greybeard> ok
[20:24] <Greybeard> I thought he was connecting as root
[20:24] <tgm4883_laptop> that is true
[20:24] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[20:24] <tgm4883_laptop> eh, do both
[20:24] <tgm4883_laptop> the -database one first
[20:26] <vilemaxim> I can connect directily to mysql using root or mythtv
[20:26] <Greybeard> what does reconfiguring mythtv-common do?
[20:26] <vilemaxim> I reset the password to what it was in the beginning, before I started changing things, and I still get an access denied
[20:27] <tgm4883_laptop> thats the common data used by both the frontend and backend
[20:27] <tgm4883_laptop> IIRC, like password ;)
[20:27] <MythbuntuGuest91> can i unmount what i did when i put the mount point in videos?
[20:28] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest91, yes, "sudo umount /var/lib/mythtv/videos/smb_videos"
[20:29] <tgm4883_laptop> Greybeard, plus, that is the correct way to change the password in mythtv
[20:29] <tgm4883_laptop> vilemaxim, ^
[20:29] <Greybeard> mythtv-common changes the mysql password?
[20:29] <MythbuntuGuest91> it said unmount command not found
[20:30] <Greybeard> the command is "umount"
[20:30] <tgm4883_laptop> Greybeard, you have to reconfigure both
[20:30] <MythbuntuGuest91> that would be why it said that
[20:30] <tgm4883_laptop> -database and -common
[20:30] <Greybeard> ok, I didn't know -common did anything with password
[20:31] <Greybeard> that's good to know
[20:31] <tgm4883_laptop> Greybeard, yes, I believe thats where the password is actually used by mythtv
[20:31] <tgm4883_laptop> not /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[20:31] <Greybeard> what do you mean?
[20:31] <Greybeard> "﻿/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt" is the file all MythTV components should be using
[20:32] <tgm4883_laptop> I don't really deal all that much with the mythtv packages, I do more extra application stuff
[20:32] <Greybeard> sometimes they might look in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt, which is why that's a symlink
[20:32] <tgm4883_laptop> Greybeard, IIRC, technically they should never use /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[20:32] <Greybeard> so, you mean they should use ﻿~/.mythtv/mysql.txt ?
[20:33] <Greybeard> that wouldn't make sense for mythbackend
[20:33] <vilemaxim> I got the optimize program to run
[20:33] <tgm4883_laptop> IIRC, there shouldn't be a mysql.txt
[20:33] <Greybeard> good
[20:33] <vilemaxim> in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl  I fond a place where it put the plan text password
[20:33] <Greybeard> so, where should MythTV look to get its database connection parameters?
[20:34] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, this is where you stretch my knowledge of mythtv ;)
[20:34] <vilemaxim> I put what mine was.... not sure why it wasn't looking in my mysql.txt,
[20:34] <tgm4883_laptop> but internally
[20:34] <vilemaxim> I only have a simple understanding of perl so
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[20:35] <MythbuntuGuest91> greybeard: i did not see any settings to flatten tree, where are they located? it does the same thing with showing two directories
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[20:37] <vilemaxim> now mythtv is allowing me to schedule recordings, which was my original problem.
[20:37] <vilemaxim> Thanks Greybeard you were a lot of help!
[20:37] <Greybeard> ﻿MythbuntuGuest91: in MythVideo, get the menu and switch to browse view
[20:38] <Greybeard> sure, you're welcome
[20:38] <MythbuntuGuest91> i found it,thanks a million guys, greybeard you are a champ for sticking with me this long
[20:38] <vilemaxim> though I'm still not sure why I hard to hardcode it
[20:38] <Greybeard> yeah, that doesn't make any sense
[20:39] <Greybeard> sure
[20:39] <vilemaxim> I might have some other problem not showing itself yet.  won't that be fun.  Anyway. Thanks again
[20:39] <Greybeard> ﻿MythbuntuGuest91: in setup, you can choose the default view too
[20:42] <zabbadapp> what is the newest (best?) firmware for nova T500 dvb? I've got dvb-usb-dib0700-1.10.fw but is getting sudden bursts of bad and blocky picture ...
[20:43] <Greybeard> and you're sure it's not a reception problem?
[20:45] <zabbadapp> no i'm not but the pattern is so unpredictable .. could work perfect for hours, and suddenly it goes blocky and skippy .. no change in weather or such ... i got a constant signal strength of about 52%
[20:45] <Greybeard> well, I've not seen a strong pattern in my reception problems for some channels
[20:46] <Greybeard> I have some channels that are perfect most of the time and some that are perfect sometimes and unwatchable others
[20:46] <Greybeard> I don't know anything about nova cards, so they may have firmware related problems
[20:52] <MythbuntuGuest91> pretty awesome it is working nicely now,
[20:53] <Greybeard> great!
[20:53] <Greybeard> and you learned a lot, right?
[20:53] <MythbuntuGuest91> Greybeard: after we did all of this mounting nonsense, are the movies actually saved on his computer, or just played?
[20:53] <MythbuntuGuest91> oh man i learned a lot, thanks
[20:54] <Greybeard> how do you save the movies?
[20:54] <MythbuntuGuest91> well they are stored on my computer, but when we did that mount and he can see them on his pc, are they just being served from mine to his and not being stored on his machine?
[20:55] <Greybeard> yes, mount means to make them available locally
[20:55] <Greybeard> but the files are not transferred to a different hard drive
[20:55] <MythbuntuGuest91> wow, i can't believe the quality of the stream to his pc, and i am running the same movie on mine
[20:55] <Greybeard> if you've used Windows file sharing (Network Neighborhood) you should already be familiar with the concept
[20:56] <Greybeard> yeah, it'll be exactly the same
[20:56] <MythbuntuGuest91> i was expecting my machine to stumble since it has to serve the movie to his pc and play it on mine
[20:57] <Greybeard> serving the files over the network isn't demanding
[20:57] <Greybeard> it's much less demanding than decoding and displaying the video
[20:57] <MythbuntuGuest91> i get windows concepts just fine, linux is new waters for me, i like doing things in command format, just used to GUI's though
[20:57] <Greybeard> for example, I have a fileserver machine running a Via C3 800MHz CPU
[20:58] <Greybeard> well, you're using the same system that Windows uses for file sharing, but the tools are different
[20:58] <MythbuntuGuest91> so the frontend does all the work.
[20:58] <Greybeard> yes, mythfrontend reads the file (whether it's on the local hard drive or remote), decodes and displays it
[20:59] <MythbuntuGuest91> i was telling someone on here last night the company i work for makes and sells media servers that record dvd's and cd's and play back with special decoders.  we sell them for upwards of 30,000 us dollars
[21:00] <Greybeard> yeah, I remember
[21:00] <Greybeard> I'm dumbfounded that anyone would pay that much
[21:00] <MythbuntuGuest91> oh it was you?  sorry, it was late and this all runs together
[21:00] <Greybeard> yeah, it was me
[21:01] <MythbuntuGuest91> well again thanks for the full serving of knowledge, i will chat with you soon.
[21:01] <Greybeard> sure, you're welcome
[21:14] <destructar> hi, i'm unsuccessfully trying to use the old apple bluetooth keyboard with a d-link bluetooth dongle
[21:15] <destructar> anyone have experience with this?
[21:15] <destructar> i had it working under mythbuntu 7.10 but can't seem to get this working for 8.04
[21:16] <destructar> hcitool scan fails, the bluetooth preferences fails, i've ran through just about every message board but continue to fail
[21:21] <laga> destructar: i think superm1|away uses one
[21:21] <laga> you'll have to wait for him to come back
[21:21] <destructar> ok cool
[21:21] <destructar> thanks for the info... this is extremely frustrating :)
[21:47] <balz> is it okay to ask a question about mt-daapd here?
[21:48] <balz> I'm going to assume it is... here goes...
[21:48] <balz> mt-daapd is running but fails to serve any files.  Also, the webUI reports Bonjour as stopped even though i have installed and started avah-daemon.  Output of mt-daapd -f here:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/40001/   Any ideas?
[21:49] <Greybeard> opendir: Permission denied seems like a big clue
[21:50] <balz> Greybeard:  yeah but my user can create directories in there... that's what i don't get
[21:50] <Greybeard> which dir can't it open?
[21:50] <balz> i've tried using a terminal, cding into /var/lib/mythtv/music and then cd-ing into a subdirectory (my music is organized by artist)
[21:50] <balz> but i then have no problem using mmkdir
[21:51] <balz> Greybeard:  my music is in /var/lib/mythtv/music ... i'm not sure which directory it can't open
[21:52] <balz> and the 2nd to last line also confuses the living hell out of me...
[21:52] <Greybeard> I'm afraid I don't have any experience with daap
[21:52] <balz> haha nor do i...
[21:52] <balz> out of curiosity though.  is there a way to check which user mt-daapd is using to try to access those directories?
[21:53] <balz> then again i think i gave up and did chmod 777 ... so i dunno if it even matters
[21:53] <Greybeard> since you used sudo, probably root
[21:53] <balz> yeah that would be my guess
[21:53] <Greybeard> that's a local directory, right?
[21:53] <balz> yes, relative to the server
[21:54] <balz> i'm ssh-ing into the machine but the directory is on the server running mt-daapd
[21:54] <Greybeard> I'm not sure what relative means
[21:54] <Greybeard> ok
[21:54] <balz> oh linux...
[21:55] <Greybeard> it seems your problem is with mt-daap
[21:55] <balz> yeah
[22:46] <destructar> anyone have any idea why mythbuntu-lirc-generator will only give me a blank file?
[22:46] <destructar> i have lircd.conf set up correctly
[22:47] <destructar> *gives me a blank lircrc file in ~/.mythtv
[23:51] <pteague> ok, i downloaded 8.04.1 last night, ran md5sum against the iso before i burned it, booted up the new box with it & had it check the cd & it said there was no problems with the cd... & when i attempt to do the gui install i get this - http://pastebin.com/m3c6b46b3
[23:58] <foxbuntu> pteague, I ran into this as well, there is some issue with 8.04 and certian chipsets, go for the Alternate Disk
[23:58] <foxbuntu> pteague, its not GUI install but its not hard to use
[23:59] <pteague> k, thanks yet again :)