[00:10] <ompaul> PriceChild, next visitor for you
[00:10] <ompaul> not mine
[00:10] <ompaul> kojv with channel ctcp ping
[00:10] <PriceChild> hmm k
[00:17] <KOJV> I'm sorry, didn't know that channel ping ain't allowed. Will you please unban me? Thank you.
[00:20] <ompaul> PriceChild, ^^
[00:20] <ompaul> PriceChild, look at the ip before you pass judgement
[00:21]  * ompaul hands off
[00:21] <KOJV> ompaul, what's with my ip? :S
[00:22] <ompaul> you changed ip
[00:22] <KOJV> ompaul, oh. Yeah, that's because I had the wrong cable inserted so that my identd wouldn't work.
[00:22] <KOJV> ompaul, I have to get the ban lifted anyway though, else I'll be banned for evading.
[00:23] <ompaul> wrong attitude
[00:23] <ompaul> or right attitude
[00:23] <ompaul> maybe
[00:23] <ompaul> I give up, please don't e3ngage me
[00:23] <KOJV> ompaul, it's the wrong attitude to ask for my ban to be lifted before I rejoin the channel??  :-o
[00:23] <PriceChild> KOJV: why did you want to ping the channel?
[00:23] <KOJV> PriceChild, because there was no answer, I needed to see if I was caught in a bad lag.
[00:23] <ompaul> in conversation
[00:24] <PriceChild> KOJV: So you decided the best way to do that was ping 1000 people at once?
[00:24] <KOJV> PriceChild, I didn't realize there were so many users in the channel.
[00:25] <ompaul> PriceChild, I have to crash catch you later
[00:25] <PriceChild> KOJV: I think you should be much more careful with commands which you don't understand when connected to large networks.
[00:25] <PriceChild> ompaul: have fun
[00:25] <ompaul> PriceChild, cheers
[00:25] <nickrud> PriceChild, thanks for the email :)
[00:26] <KOJV> PriceChild, well, I'm usually on large networks but seldomly in such huge channels. Again, I'm sorry and it won't happen again.
[00:26] <nickrud> I pity the council, having to choose only 2 of those 4
[00:26] <PriceChild> nickrud: we don't choose
[00:26] <nickrud> PriceChild, cc I meant
[00:26] <PriceChild> nickrud: they don't really choose either
[00:27] <nickrud> ? Thought they did, but whomever is going to have some real juggling on their hands
[00:27] <PriceChild> nickrud: the ircc and cc can both take candidates off the list, and technically the cc could nominate someone outright, but they will probably do a vote and whoever wins gets the seats
[00:28] <PriceChild> KOJV: one mo
[00:28] <KOJV> ompaul, btw, why not engage you? Since you were the one to set the ban....
[00:28] <PriceChild> KOJV: he's had to leave
[00:28] <KOJV> PriceChild, okay.
[00:28] <PriceChild> @btlogin
[00:28] <Pici> KOJV: our channel bots are the one who set the ban actually, ompaul just removed you from the channel.
[00:28] <Pici> Hrm.. gmail seems to be doing weird things with the link to my wiki... /me checks in another browser
[00:28] <KOJV> Pici, okay, this "remove" feature, how does it work? Does other networks have it?
[00:29] <Pici> KOJV: Many just use a standard kick, freenode's ircd is a bit different though
[00:29]  * KOJV has never been removed before... only kicked.
[00:29] <KOJV> Pici, ok.
[00:29] <PriceChild> KOJV: operators can force users to part effectively, rather than kick them. It is preferable for several reasons, more help about it can be found in #freenode.
[00:30] <KOJV> PriceChild, okay, thanks.
[00:30] <KOJV> PriceChild, will you remove the ban though?
[00:30] <PriceChild> KOJV: as a formality, could you just read the guidelines for #ubuntu please, then I'll remove the ban
[00:30] <PriceChild> !guidelines
[00:31] <KOJV> PriceChild, sure thing.
[00:33] <KOJV> PriceChild, okay, done.
[00:33] <PriceChild> KOJV: you're free to join #ubuntu.
[00:35] <KOJV> Thank you PriceChild.
[00:39] <Pici> PriceChild: I always thought of you as Joseph, not Joe... /me needs to fix his brain or something now.
[00:39] <PriceChild> Pici: I go by many names.
[00:40] <Pici> I go as Ben or Benjamin, but never Benji.
[00:40] <PriceChild> Some call me... Shatoon, bringer of corn.
[00:41] <Pici> Well... thats just odd.
[00:41] <Pici> Anyway, food time.
[00:41] <PriceChild> Others call me Mickey Nine, the dream weaver.
[00:52] <elkbuntu> if idimmu returns and i'm not here, tell him i saw his apology in scrollback and thanked him
[07:21] <ompaul> please note that I left a certain ip from in.comcast
[07:22] <Flannel> heh
[07:22] <ompaul> jpds did you really want to do this one %*!*@cpc1-cmbg9-0-0-cust648.cmbg.cable.ntl.com
[07:23] <ompaul> it was also bfed to here
[07:24] <jpds> ompaul: Hmm, no. I was just removing bans from my list at @btlogin.
[07:24] <ompaul> jpds, I remove stuff that is older than one week unless you have something like that netsplit midweek
[07:25] <jpds> *!*@cpc1-cmbg9-0-0-cust648.cmbg.cable.ntl.com!#ubuntu-ops jpds Aug 06 2008 18:16:29
[07:26] <ompaul> ;-)
[08:43] <jpds> z_ back in #u-ot.
[08:54] <ompaul> jpds, keep an eye on #ubuntu I have to run
[09:24] <Myrtti> ho -hum
[09:29] <Myrtti> PriceChild: ping
[09:30]  * Myrtti sighs
[09:30]  * Myrtti curses
[09:31] <Myrtti> I'll go and have a bath before I strangle someone over ethernet.
[09:32] <Myrtti> or make a long-distance phone call and cry my eyes out.
[09:42] <Gary> whats up Myrtti :'(
[09:43] <Myrtti> lets just say although IRC is a big part of my life, I still never thought IRC should be more important than not fainting with stress induced high blood pressure.
[09:43] <Gary> point to point punching over ethernet so needs to be invented
[09:43] <Myrtti> sorry folks.
[09:45] <Myrtti> somehow it strikes me also odd that Pricey signs his emails with "Joe". somehow I've always felt he's too young to be "Joe"
[09:45] <bazhang> Myrtti, IRC is so not worth that level of stress.
[09:45] <Gary> maybe it should be master Joe
[09:46] <nalioth> Gary: it's FSOIP you need to be working on
[09:46] <Myrtti> It's not IRC that makes my blood pressure high
[09:46] <bazhang> cant be helping though
[09:46] <Gary> fs?
[09:46] <Myrtti> well that's sort of the point
[09:46] <Myrtti> Face Stab
[09:46] <Gary> ahhh
[09:46] <bazhang> over ip haha
[09:47] <bazhang> I started taking garlic daily about a year ago and significantly reduced my BP
[09:47] <Gary> Myrtti: if it is that bad, take a short break?
[09:47] <Myrtti> for my own selfesteem and mental health I have to think IRC is a stress factor that I can cut out of my life
[09:47] <Gary> :'(
[09:47] <Myrtti> so if I /part irc channels, it's usually a sign I've got more acute and stressful things going on
[09:48] <bazhang> or just completely clean out the problem elements in -ot
[09:48] <Myrtti> ie. work, relationships, health
[09:48] <nalioth> where are your furry animals, Myrtti ?
[09:48] <bazhang> for a while at least.
[09:48] <Myrtti> but anyway...
[09:48]  * Myrtti sighs at her w.u.c -page
[09:48] <Myrtti> I need a warm an lovely papaya smelling bath.
[09:48]  * elkbuntu cuddles Myrtti
[09:49] <bazhang> there are even tablets that are odorless (ie garlic)
[09:49] <Myrtti> bazhang: omega fatty acids and vitamin D for me
[09:49]  * Myrtti pops her vegan capsules
[09:49] <Myrtti> ridiculously more expensive than non-vegan ones, but they make me happy
[09:50] <Myrtti> nalioth: fighting in their cage
[09:50] <Gary> Myrtti: furry animals, what make and model?
[09:51] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2729982644/ guinea pigs
[09:53] <Gary> awww
[09:53] <nalioth> i recently got a cat, and it thinks that love bites and appreciative flesh clawings are acceptable forms of affection
[09:54] <Gary> sure are
[09:55] <Gary> and bringing home slightly dead wildlife, as presents
[09:55] <nalioth> nah, it never goes outside ( probably why it bites and claws me at random moments )
[09:56] <Gary> maybe it thinks it's a tiger
[09:56] <nalioth> and i can't repeat its name here ( or in proper company )
[09:56] <Myrtti> nalioth: most of the time a cat claws you when it's in your lap, it reminisces being a kitten and suckling to a teat. pushing your thig resembles trying to push more milk to it's mouth.
[09:56] <nalioth> the cat doesn't like laps.  it's just insane.
[09:57] <Myrtti> pink moka pot coffee and french fries!
[09:57] <elkbuntu> nalioth, did you get a cat, or did the cat get a human?
[09:57] <nalioth> it was palmed off on me instead of going to the pound, elkbuntu
[09:57] <elkbuntu> aha
[09:58] <nalioth> no, i'm not a cat person
[09:58] <elkbuntu> i didnt pick you as one
[09:58] <elkbuntu> mind you, the cat probably has too
[09:59] <elkbuntu> hence the claws and teeth
[09:59] <nalioth> but so long as it stays out of my way (and doesn't bite or claw too much) we'll get along just fine
[09:59] <Myrtti> I'm sure it will
[09:59] <Myrtti> cats are like that
[10:01] <nalioth> well, off to have another go at old insomnia ( it's 4:00am here )
[10:02]  * Myrtti sighs again and tries to decide what to do
[10:04] <Gary> Myrtti: go out for walkies
[10:09] <Myrtti> perhaps after breakfast and that bath
[10:25] <Myrtti> moar coffee?
[10:28] <Gary> please
[10:29]  * Myrtti pours
[10:32] <Gary> yay coffee
[11:42] <Myrtti> having a bath with my blood pressure wasn't a good idea
[11:43]  * elkbuntu huggles Myrtti
[11:45] <Myrtti> I think I'll go lie down on the floor. At least I can't drop any lower from there.
[11:46] <elkbuntu> :(
[11:47] <elkbuntu> feeling all droopy and sleepy now?
[11:47] <ikonia> go sleep then
[11:48] <Myrtti> Droopy yeah, sleepy no
[11:48] <elkbuntu> aww
[11:48] <elkbuntu> coffee?
[11:48] <ikonia> I am a problem solver
[11:48] <ikonia> tired = sleep
[11:48] <Myrtti> 15 mins should do
[11:49] <Myrtti> Will dress and get some ice lollies when I feel better
[11:51] <Myrtti> Will someone smack lsdninja at ot
[11:51] <Myrtti> Thanks
[12:01] <PriceChild> Myrtti: for when you get back, PONG!!!
[12:12] <PriceChild> uuuu amarok2 is nice
[12:13] <ikonia> PriceChild: anything specific stands out ?
[12:13] <PriceChild> well i'm using it under gnome and it feels shiny
[12:15] <PriceChild> its also a lot less cluttered, lots less options
[12:16] <PriceChild> where are my micde
[12:16] <PriceChild> mice
[12:16] <ikonia> I may give it a go
[12:18] <PriceChild> makes me tempted to just switch to kde4.1
[12:18] <PriceChild> just to make it look even shinier
[12:19] <elkbuntu> heh
[12:23] <ikonia> kde is never that shiny that it's worth it
[12:24] <elkbuntu> ikonia, it's worth a vm
[12:24] <elkbuntu> when i get my vm setup going
[12:24] <PriceChild> vm setup? you mean you don't just randomly put virtualbox ones all over the place?
[12:25] <ikonia> elkbuntu: maybe......
[12:25] <elkbuntu> ikonia, e17 is worth a vm too... but im not going to run a system with it
[12:25] <ikonia> ahh E17 is old news, never worth effort
[12:28] <elkbuntu> well, offtopic is decidedly sane at the moment
[12:28] <ikonia> good
[12:28] <elkbuntu> now, if only debian would install on this box
[12:29] <elkbuntu> maybe unplugging the usb mouse wasnt such a smart idea
[12:31] <elkbuntu> once i get this box up to monitor the network, i can get this pc up with vmware or some such
[12:34] <elkbuntu> this stupid ralink chip needs to diaf too
[12:35] <PriceChild> I liked my ralink chips, which one have you got
[12:37] <Myrtti> I want to stomp my atheros to pieces
[12:37] <Myrtti> I've compiled madwifi-hal so many times yesterday I'm planning to install Ibex on my laptop
[12:38] <PriceChild> I also like the atheros that I'm using atm. You're both mad.
[12:38] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, whatever one is inside a DWL-G122 B1
[12:38] <Myrtti> i've got AR242*
[12:38] <Myrtti> it sucks.
[12:38] <Myrtti> http://madwifi.org/ticket/1192 does nothing for me
[12:38] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, 2500 i believe
[12:39] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: that's a nice old one that works nicely?
[12:39] <PriceChild> install module-assistant, and install the driver for it there
[12:39] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, sure, i can get debian and hardy to see the device... just not associate
[12:39] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, funnily enough, i need to get on the network to do that
[12:39] <PriceChild> pfft no you don't
[12:40] <PriceChild> just copy packages onto a usb pen
[12:40] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, deps?
[12:40] <PriceChild> there's only half a dozen
[12:40] <PriceChild> use packages.ubuntu to work out deps, and its pretty obvious which ones aren't installed by default
[12:40] <PriceChild> well i guess its not pretty obvious
[12:40] <elkbuntu> i want debian on the box
[12:40] <Myrtti> woo, I found spray-on leave-in conditioner \o/
[12:40] <elkbuntu> so packages.debian instead
[12:40] <PriceChild> no idea about that then
[12:41] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, as i said. it recognises, and can see access points... just not be nice enough to attach
[12:43] <Myrtti> yeah
[12:43] <Myrtti> the latest madwifi with my ar242* does see the access points and can connect to the unencrypted ones, but not wpa2?
[12:43] <Myrtti> it sucks badly
[12:44] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, this one wont even touch unencrypted atm
[12:44] <PriceChild> I have an ar2413 <3
[12:44]  * Myrtti shows her tongue to PriceChild 
[12:44] <elkbuntu> i did actually get it on once... but it could only see in the lan, but not google... then i broke that
[12:44] <elkbuntu> so reinstalling debian yet again
[12:45] <elkbuntu> i suspect that was when i tried wep
[12:46] <Myrtti> I'm on fail train
[12:46] <Myrtti> I've lost my best hair brush
[12:46] <elkbuntu> aww
[12:47] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: have you disabled all encryption on the ap and started off trying to associate to that?
[12:47] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, yes
[12:48] <elkbuntu> about to do it again, since i try not to leave it in said state
[12:55]  * elkbuntu dares the install to die again
[12:55] <Myrtti> there's something wrong with my xubuntu-ibex-alternate-amd64 torrend
[12:55] <Myrtti> torrent
[12:56] <Myrtti> no peers.
[12:56] <Myrtti> :-<
[13:01] <elkbuntu> yay, didnt die this time
[13:05] <Myrtti> I hereby challenge the users of Intrepid Ibex and owners of data cable and a phone to participate: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kaijanmaki/+archive
[13:08] <elkbuntu> ooh, is this the thing to integrate the vodafone thing into NM?
[13:08] <Myrtti> partly yes
[13:08] <elkbuntu> ooooh
[13:08] <Myrtti> he's one of my this summers "Kids"
[13:08] <PriceChild> I guess because you're doing that on an n95, that it should work perfectly for me.
[13:09] <Myrtti> also my latest and first recruitment to Nomovok
[13:09] <Myrtti> PriceChild: even if you test if you get the settings right, would be nice
[13:10] <Myrtti> comments can be /msg Wellark
[13:10] <PriceChild> I'm only on Hardy :(
[13:10] <Myrtti> I tried that on hardy
[13:10] <Myrtti> works on it too
[13:10] <Myrtti> but I'm not sure if it's the new network manager that broke my wlan
[13:10] <Myrtti> or the new kernel
[13:11] <PriceChild> uuu launchpad can do dependent ppas now
[13:11] <PriceChild> i'm out oftouch
[13:19]  * Myrtti goes to get those ice lollies
[13:32] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, wanna know something stupid?
[13:33] <PriceChild> sure
[13:33] <elkbuntu> i only downloaded the first debian cd, right, because i only want a simple install.
[13:33] <elkbuntu> everything including module-assistant was on there
[13:33] <elkbuntu> except: html2text and debhelper
[13:33] <elkbuntu> i cant understand why neither are on that disk
[13:34] <elkbuntu> if they're like so important for installing a freaking kernel module
[13:41] <elkbuntu> and this still doesnt work :(
[13:41] <elkbuntu> in fact, it changed absolutely nothing
[13:42]  * elkbuntu tries a reboot
[13:51] <elkbuntu> Ienorand, can we help?
[13:52] <Ienorand> Hi, I'm having trouble joining #ubuntu from #ubuntu-proxy, it says I have access and should try to join but I just get back to #*u-proxy
[13:53] <elkbuntu> aha, the floodbots must have gotten tangled in the last netsplits
[13:53] <elkbuntu> sec
[13:53] <elkbuntu> Ienorand, try leaving -proxy and joining it again please
[13:54] <Ienorand> cheers
[13:55] <Ienorand> nice, works fine now, thanks!
[13:55] <elkbuntu> floodbot1 is the only one who exempts, else they all fight over who gets to and it gets messy ;)
[13:55] <elkbuntu> floodbot3 somehow stole power of #ubuntu
[13:56] <elkbuntu> oh, btw, this is an idle-free zone for non-ops.
[13:57] <Ienorand> oh right, bye
[13:57] <elkbuntu> enjoy
[14:09] <Myrtti> question of the day
[14:09] <Myrtti> did I remember the milk
[14:12] <elkbuntu> ugh, of course it made no difference, 2500 is pci/pcmcia, 2570 is usb
[14:12] <elkbuntu> i have usb
[14:15] <elkbuntu> hrm... watch wols. he's being his usual rude self today
[14:18] <elkbuntu> YAY!
[14:18] <elkbuntu> I HAS WIFI
[14:18] <elkbuntu> hell yeah
[14:18] <elkbuntu> stupid thing telling me i had rt2500 when i had rt2570
[14:19] <PriceChild> is it usb?
[14:19] <elkbuntu> yeah
[14:19] <PriceChild> ah yes, usb then
[14:19] <elkbuntu> i was misreading stuff
[14:19] <PriceChild> didn't realise it made a difference though
[14:19] <elkbuntu> clearly
[14:19] <PriceChild> :D
[14:19] <elkbuntu> ya
[14:19]  * elkbuntu has debian! :D
[14:20] <elkbuntu> pretty crap reception
[14:21] <elkbuntu> ah, no, router just messes with pings to it
[14:22] <elkbuntu> now, encryption kthx
[14:25] <Myrtti> perhaps I should see my doctor about this blood pressure, it's really not normal at all
[14:26] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, it is probably wise
[14:26] <elkbuntu> it's only making you miserable
[14:27] <Myrtti> yup
[14:55]  * Myrtti sighs
[15:16] <elkbuntu> hrm, it's not working now :(
[15:25] <Myrtti> is it possible to indent in moinmoin?
[15:28] <pleia2> Myrtti: http://moinmo.in/HelpOnLists
[15:29]  * Myrtti is a MediaWiki brat
[15:36] <ompaul> Myrtti, what is that about mediawiki :)
[15:36]  * ompaul runs
[15:37] <ompaul> I gotta do stuff l8r
[15:37] <Myrtti> ta-tah
[15:53]  * Myrtti looks at her w.u.c page more content
[15:54] <Myrtti> hm. that ibex disk doesn't seem to be going anywhere in the burn
[16:18]  * elkbuntu is hunting for a terminal emulator that isnt tied to a DE and isnt as horrid as xterm or eterm
[16:18]  * Myrtti points at terminator
[16:19] <elkbuntu> that wants to pull half of gnome in
[16:19]  * Myrtti shrugs
[16:20] <elkbuntu> i dont want half of gnome
[16:20] <Myrtti> I've used it happily with xfce
[16:20] <elkbuntu> i'mm sure you have, but i dont want half of gnome :P
[16:31] <ompaul> aterm
[16:32] <ompaul> tbh they are all nuts
[16:35] <elkbuntu> ugh, no tabbing
[16:43] <elkbuntu> ooh, roxterm, i think i'll try that one
[16:48] <ompaul> konsole
[16:48]  * ompaul rusn
[16:48]  * ompaul runs
[16:48]  * elkbuntu trips ompaul over and kicks him in the kidneys
[16:48] <ompaul> I see you appeal to the spirit of ubuntu there ;-)
[16:49] <ompaul> wterm
[16:49] <elkbuntu> :)
[16:49] <elkbuntu> no, roxterm is good
[16:49] <ompaul> mrxvt
[16:49] <elkbuntu> no
[16:49] <ompaul> now there is a cookie
[17:02] <elkbuntu> <3 openbox
[17:42] <bazhang> oh gosh
[17:43] <bazhang> asking others to vnc into their systems for help
[17:57] <Myrtti> oh dear lord
[17:58] <Myrtti> remind me why I'm at IRCnet's #ubuntu.fi again
[17:58] <PriceChild> I want more ops again.
[18:01] <ompaul> PriceChild, that enough?
[18:01] <PriceChild> very good
[18:01]  * ompaul hides behind Nafallo 
[18:02]  * ompaul admits it is not very good someone my size hiding behind him, but maybe someone will say this is not the beard you are looking for and I will escape 
[18:02] <ompaul> MUHAHAHAHAHAHA
[18:05] <Myrtti> oh dear god
[18:06] <Myrtti> I'm *NOT* going to say how I read the line  * ompaul hides behind Nafallo
[18:06]  * Myrtti blushes
[18:06] <Myrtti> nevermind, carry on
[18:06] <ompaul> we did already
[18:06] <Myrtti> jolly good.
[18:07] <bazhang> ops for where PriceChild
[18:10]  * jussi01 walks in
[18:10]  * Myrtti huggles jussio1 
[18:10] <Myrtti> damned tabcomplete
[18:10] <jussi01> hehe
[18:11]  * jussio1 hugs Myrtti 
[18:11] <jussi01> :D
[18:12]  * Myrtti has xubuntu intrepid alpha on her laptop and she regrets it already
[18:13] <PriceChild> Myrtti: how come?
[18:13] <PriceChild> bazhang: just in general.
[18:13] <Myrtti> PriceChild: networkmanager is poop.
[18:13] <bazhang> ok thanks PriceChild
[18:13] <PriceChild> Myrtti: is it the gnome one?
[18:14] <Myrtti> yup
[18:16] <Myrtti> I've also forgotten how ugly this is before tweaking
[18:30] <Myrtti> oh dear
[18:30] <Myrtti> meatballs gone crazy
[19:03]  * Myrtti curses loudly
[19:05] <PriceChild> Hey zenwhen, whats up?
[19:06]  * tritium consoles Myrtti 
[19:06] <zenwhen> Hi PriceChild
[19:07] <zenwhen> How have you been
[19:07] <PriceChild> I'm good.
 rand0m: by which he means #ubuntu-cafe
[19:23] <Seveas> new offtopic chan or trolls spamming?
[19:25] <Myrtti> please tell me again why I installed Ibex on the laptop?
[19:27] <Myrtti> hm, he apparently misremembered the name
[19:27] <Myrtti> perhaps that channel could be dropped or forwarded to -offtopic?
[19:27] <Myrtti> if it's not already
[19:27] <Myrtti> there's only him there
[19:27] <Myrtti> PriceChild, nalioth?
[19:28] <Seveas> you're right, he corrected himself a few lines later
[19:28] <Seveas> nothing to see here, please walk on :)
[19:36]  * Myrtti grunts
[19:40]  * Flannel sees an argument approaching in #u between Sev and Gnea
[19:41] <bazhang> heh
[19:41]  * bazhang puts his money on Seveas
[19:47]  * Myrtti just almost passed out with pain
[19:47] <bazhang> Myrtti, oh no.
[19:48] <Myrtti> I was sitting on the floor on a pillow and apparently managed to sit on the pillow in a way that really hit the piriformis muscle
[19:48] <Myrtti> that was fun
[19:48] <bazhang> please take a break Myrtti
[19:48] <Myrtti> well I'm not sitting on the floor again
[19:48] <Myrtti> :-D
[19:48] <bazhang> we always miss you when you are away, but nothing is more important than your health
[19:49] <Myrtti> I should stretch more
[19:49] <bazhang> those eggshell deals are great for back problems
[19:50] <Myrtti> too bad I'm living on oatmeal gruel this month
[19:50] <Myrtti> oh well.
[19:50] <Myrtti> what was I doing again
[19:52] <Myrtti> I'm starting to believe intrepid is as useful at this stage as a barrel full of hammers.
[19:54] <Flannel> Myrtti: actually, I could use a barrel of hammers for quite a few things
[19:55] <Myrtti> well, my friend does know how to cheer me up
[19:55] <Myrtti> he has been using gentoo for a while now
[19:55] <Myrtti> tried to install the new X server
[19:56] <Myrtti> after almost everything was compiled, he realized he's been doing i486 stage3, not i686
[19:56] <Myrtti> and now he has to compile everything all over again
[19:58] <nalioth> Go! Gentoo!
[19:58] <nalioth> i've never understood the need to compile for a home OS
[19:58] <nalioth> if you're building a render farm, go for it
[19:59] <Myrtti> I want to jump and kill my laptop
[20:01] <nalioth> go pet a guinea pig instead
[20:05] <Myrtti> on the other hand, I really do love rsync
[20:19] <nalioth> rsync rocks
[20:29] <Flannel> sigh
[20:30] <Myrtti> indeed
[20:30] <Flannel> Gnea is always a bit heavy with the factoids
[20:31] <Flannel> he'll throw repeat and then patience at you.
[21:43] <Myrtti> hm
[21:44] <Myrtti> apparently webkit is broken.
[22:00] <ompaul_> ff3 has been in there since June :)
[22:00] <ompaul_> topic change
[22:16] <ompaul_> hmm tell me that nick is not taking the proverbial
[22:16] <ompaul_> #u
[22:47] <Pici> hm
[23:03] <Pici> ompaul_: was that needed?
[23:03] <ompaul_> the first warning was the bot
[23:03] <ompaul_> the second one was remove
[23:04] <ompaul_> the next one is ban
[23:04] <Myrtti> now he's on -ot :-<
[23:04] <PriceChild> I don't like the ultimatix factoid.
[23:04] <Myrtti> !ultimatix
[23:04] <Pici> !-ultamatix
[23:04] <Pici> hrm.
[23:05] <Pici> neither do I.
[23:05] <Pici> !automatix
[23:06] <ompaul_> Pici, the problem is the running battles that you will have if you try to do the logical thing with that software
[23:06] <ompaul_> you will be trolled
[23:06] <ompaul_> the removal should cause exactly the response needed
[23:07] <Pici> I respectfully disagree.  We should be informing people, not punishing them when they ask about using that.
[23:08] <ompaul_> Pici, who wrote the factoid?
[23:08]  * ompaul_ is a bit clumsy 
[23:08] <Pici> ompaul_: see above
[23:08] <Myrtti> since when has stupidity been bannable offence? and I mean plain stupidity, not stubborness as it usually is the case with troublemakers
[23:08] <ompaul_> ack
[23:09] <ompaul_> ok so then make it a mute
[23:09] <ompaul_> and we chat with them
[23:09] <ompaul_> as in no remove, however it will be implied
[23:09] <PriceChild> I don't think factoids should be the place for threats/operator guidelines.
[23:09] <Pici> no ultamatix is <reply> Ultamatix is not recommended, supported, or needed by Ubuntu. Please do not suggest its use in this channel.  See !automatix for more information?
[23:09] <Pici> Does that sound good?
[23:09] <Pici> PriceChild: Agreed.
[23:11]  * ompaul_ must be getting old and cynical 
[23:11] <ompaul_> ok the first is a given
[23:12] <ompaul_>  Ultamatix is not recommended, it is not supported, or for that matter needed by Ubuntu. Please Do Not suggest its use in this channel.
[23:13] <ompaul_> if you are going to point to !automatix remember that mjg now works for RH
[23:13] <ompaul_> it might be embarrassing at some level at some time
[23:14] <nalioth> link !automatix to it
[23:14] <ompaul_>  I feel you are asking to be trolled
[23:14] <erUSUL> inbitado34 banned from #ubuntu for asking about ultimatix ?
[23:14] <ompaul_> no
[23:14] <Pici> !ultamatix
[23:14] <ompaul_> muted
[23:15] <erUSUL> was *
[23:15] <ompaul_> sorry removed
[23:15] <Pici> nalioth: will do.
[23:15] <erUSUL> ompaul_: ok
[23:15] <erUSUL> may i ask why ?
[23:16] <ompaul_> erUSUL, see what the bot said
[23:16] <ompaul_> ubottu> ultamatix is not supported by Ubuntu. It can cause system damage and should not be used, if you need support with it please go to http://forumubuntusoftware.info/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1365 for support. If you refer or suggest users install Ultamatix you are subject to a warning the first time, a removal from channel for second time and a ban for the third time.
[23:16] <ompaul_> ubottu, botsnack
[23:16] <ompaul_> exactly mr garrett works for Red Hat these days ;-)
[23:16] <Pici> So?
[23:17] <ompaul_> I found it funny
[23:17] <PriceChild> forumubuntusoftware.info?
[23:17] <ompaul_> no
[23:17] <ompaul_> they got it or can get it
[23:17] <ompaul_> you would not point to getautomatix
[23:17] <Pici> PriceChild: requires you to login to even see that page...
[23:18] <Pici> !automatix
[23:18] <Pici> er
[23:18] <Pici> !ultamatix
[23:18]  * ompaul_ sees that as wrong but anyways
[23:19] <Pici> Why?
[23:19]  * Myrtti gives boys a cookie
[23:19] <Myrtti> you too, ompaul
[23:19]  * ompaul_ munches
[23:19] <Pici> Myrtti: ty :)
[23:19] <ompaul_> ta
[23:19] <ompaul_> Pici, the guy no longer works for canonical
[23:19] <Pici> So we can't link to the analysis that he made of Automatix?
[23:19] <Myrtti> ompaul_: I don't see it as a problem
[23:20] <Myrtti> I don't understand why it would be a problem
[23:20] <Myrtti> he made the analysis before starting to work for RH
[23:20] <ompaul_> I know that
[23:20] <Myrtti> I don't mind people referencing to my work I've done on COSS
[23:21] <Myrtti> I'm fairly sure that if he'd see referencing to that as a problem, he would've taken the entry down
[23:21] <Myrtti> of course, someone could ask
[23:21] <ompaul_> now then, I am almost happy ;-)
[23:22] <Myrtti> ompaul_: since you are so worried, why don't *you* ask him :-P
[23:22]  * Myrtti hides
[23:22] <ompaul_> I am not worried, I considered it bad form to assume
[23:23] <ompaul_> that was all
[23:24] <ompaul_> he is part of the community, he did that job as part of his day to day work - he may feel the need to move on and it might be a legacy thing he no longer wants to be hanging around, automatix is dead so why keep its memory alive with that
[23:25]  * ompaul_ chooses to shut up now 
[23:25] <Pici> If we don't remember the past, we are doomed to repeat it.,
[23:26] <ompaul_> Pici, now if I was to reply to that I would have to say "happy trolldom with the gentle factoid", we had this with automatix it was a clock cycle consumer
[23:26] <ompaul_> but that was only if I was to reply
[23:26] <ompaul_> so given I didn't ;-)
[23:28] <ompaul_>  /nick angry_clueless_op
[23:32] <ompaul_> Pici, which is by the way me agreeing with, "if we don't remember the past"
[23:32] <ompaul_> automatix took so much energy it was sad
[23:33] <ompaul_> and given who is involved, we really have to think the same energy is required to deal with them again
[23:34] <ompaul_> so therein lies my "logic" for supporting the initial factoid
[23:34] <Myrtti> ompaul_: if the damned thing had had the decency to stay dead and buried, I'd agree with you
[23:34] <Myrtti> but since it's risen from the ashes like the black crow of doom...
[23:34] <ompaul_> Myrtti, and the gentle factoid will only encourage people to push barriers
[23:35] <Myrtti> it still not be encouraged or supported
[23:35] <ompaul_> the first one is plain and simple - if you say this you are being a .... -therefore we will sanction you
[23:35] <Myrtti> ompaul_: we never had that kind of factoid for automatix
[23:35] <Myrtti> why should we have one now for ultamatix?
[23:36] <Myrtti> we all and many others sure made it clear automatix wasn't supported in #ubuntu
[23:36] <ompaul_> to prevent the impact that the softly softly approach that automatix encouraged
[23:36] <ompaul_> we had running battles for a while
[23:37] <ompaul_> yes indeed folks the hazy summer of 06 and the battles royal for channel control
[23:37] <ompaul_> being called Seveas's lackeys ;-)
[23:38] <ompaul_> actually it was 05
[23:38] <ompaul_> but whatever
[23:40] <nalioth> i don't think we should treat it like an exploit, but it is close
[23:41] <ompaul_> nalioth, broken boxes are not exploited?
[23:41] <ompaul_> that sounds like a company I know of where if no data is lost then it is not an outage ;-)
[23:41] <ompaul_> and you know some kinds of data loss are not data loss
[23:41] <ompaul_> :)
[23:41] <ompaul_> I know of such a company
[23:41] <ompaul_> and it is not where I work
[23:42] <nalioth> ompaul_: well, if i treated it like an exploit, i'd have to have a few more cars for the train
[23:42] <ompaul_> well done nathan distracting me like that ;-)
[23:50] <ompaul_> so we can agree to disagree on that one item