[00:01] <gleyve> Frostwire? Limewire? ou aMule?
[00:10] <matisse> hi
[00:10] <matisse> what do I need to do to be able to listen to mp3 streams. Something with demux failed
[00:16] <thorsten_> depends on the program, for the firefox i guess something like the mplayer or the vlc plugin
[00:16] <thorsten_> Good night, and good luck
[00:30] <ahmos> hello..what i8s the best codec i can install for playing sound and video
[00:32] <matisse> ahmos: what do you mean with the best ?
[00:32] <matisse> the best one is which works for your sound and video..
[00:34] <ubuntu_> hay all quick question, I am trying to install 8.10 from the cd, but the installer keeps crashing. What is the console command to install?
[00:34] <ahmos> matisse: yes
[00:34] <matisse> read again..
[00:35] <ahmos> matisse: you mean to let for example amarok install it
[00:36] <matisse> no
[00:36] <matisse> it just depends on what audio and video files you have
[00:36] <matisse> which you want to play
[00:37] <ahmos> mkv mka avi mpeg flv mp3 flac
[00:38] <matisse> then install the codecs you need for those files :)
[00:38] <ahmos> ha ha ha
[00:39] <ahmos> how i didn't realize that ha haha haaaa
[00:40] <matisse> I mean what you wanna know with "which is the best" ??
[00:40] <matisse> in general there not much to choose
[00:41] <Githzerai> ahmos: There is no such thing as best codec, there is only needed codec: U need mp3 codec to play mp3 files, i.e. So, any provided codec, if works, it is the best ;)
[00:41] <nejode> ahmos: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:43] <ahmos> that is good restricted-extras .. it is encloding everything
[00:43] <ahmos> going to install
[00:45] <ahmos> thank u everybody
[00:45] <ahmos> matisse: thank you :))
[00:45] <matisse> np :P
[00:53] <FicaBlok38> where i can download kvirc 3.4.0
[00:53] <FicaBlok38> amd64.deb?
[00:54] <level1_> hi, has anyone noticed that google maps is different in linux than in windows?
[00:54] <Githzerai> FicaBlok38: kvirc.net
[00:54] <FicaBlok38> Githzerai: haha
[00:55] <FicaBlok38> tu nece
[00:55] <FicaBlok38> a i reko da vas ne smaram
[00:55] <FicaBlok38> :)
[00:55] <level1_> in windows, google maps has a box for "what" and a box for "where"... but in linux you can't find that
[01:21] <discombobulated> can someone tell me wtf my fstab is changing every time on reboot when i edit it?
[01:59] <shadowhywind> anyone know how to start the gui install program on a livecd from the console?
[01:59] <dr_Willis> Hmm.. wasent the installers binary called ubiquity? or somthing like that
[01:59] <claydoh> ubiquity-something
[01:59] <dr_Willis> could look at the desktop icon and see what it launches i guess
[01:59]  * claydoh checks
[02:00] <shadowhywind> when i try to run it.. it gets as far as starting the actruall install, and then it crashes, i wanted to double check what the console error was
[02:01] <shadowhywind> the funny thing, was  i reburned the cd, which gets farther like 35-45% done, and spits back and IO error i just wanted to see if the first cd would come back with the same error
[02:05] <claydoh> I can't tell but the command might just be 'ubiquity'
[02:05] <dr_Willis> try ubi<tab> :)
[02:06] <claydoh> did you try burning @ a slower burn speed? I usually get better results if I get similar issues eith a disk
[02:06] <leon_> el ubuntu en espanol como puedo ir
[02:08] <nejode> leon: #ubuntu-es, #ubuntu-ve, #ubuntu-cl, etc
[02:30] <corigo> How can I run a hard disk check and repair from the live CD?
[02:43] <tsuna27> hi
[02:44] <tsuna27> i am running kubuntu kde4.1 + compiz what is the best/easilest way to make it look like mac os
[02:45] <joseph> tsuna27: buy a mac
[02:46] <tsuna27> please help me
[02:46] <dr_Willis> Hmm.. how does kde4 even USE compiz?
[02:46] <joseph> !compiz > tsuna27
[02:46] <dr_Willis> kde4 has its own compiz-like features i thought
[02:46] <dwidmann_> tsuna27: try the "kwin-baghira - KDE theme for Apple junkies :)"
[02:46] <dwidmann_> package
[02:47] <dr_Willis> and if you use the emerald window decoeration for compiz - theres a lot of stupid os-x looking themes also
[02:47] <tsuna27> dwidmann: how do i do that
[02:48] <dwidmann_> tsuna27: sudo apt-get install kwin-baghira
[02:48] <dr_Willis> the baghira theme is in the package manager.
[02:48] <dwidmann_> tsuna27: then go to system settings -> appearance -> window decorations and set it to use bhagira ... it's rather customizable
[02:48] <dr_Willis> well its not really a theme tho is it? ive not noticed if it puts a entry in the themes, or if its just window decoration and widgets.
[02:49] <dwidmann_> dr_Willis: the "themes" portion of kde seems to be umm, sadly neglected as far as I can tell.
[02:49] <dr_Willis> dwidmann_,  yep.
[02:50] <dr_Willis> bhagira does not add an entry to the 'themes'  list
[02:50] <dwidmann_> but it does add the widgets and windecs, that's a start
[02:51] <dr_Willis> and looks just as ugly as the real osx ! ;)
[02:53] <dwidmann_> you betcha
[02:53] <tsuna27> ah
[02:53] <tsuna27> i did sudo apt-get install kwin-baghira
[02:53] <tsuna27> then i went to appearance but i did not see any changes
[02:53] <dwidmann_> tsuna27: it should be in the list of window decorations
[02:54] <dwidmann_> tsuna27: and the list of styles also
[02:55] <tsuna27> i am using compiz so does that change things
[02:55] <dwidmann_> Probably.
[02:56] <dwidmann_> In here it's usually a fairly logical assumption that people are actually using kwin for their window manager/decorator.
[02:57] <tsuna27> sorry i just like the cube effect
[02:58] <dwidmann_> I think it might be in kwin_composite for KDE 4.2, based on things I've read.
[02:59] <dr_Willis> I am constantly amazed at the efforts people to through for that silly cube.
[02:59] <tsuna27> what effort
[02:59] <dwidmann> dr_Willis: I admit I thought it was fun ... for about five minutes
[02:59] <tsuna27> i am a complete newb and i got in it under an hr
[03:00] <dr_Willis> an hr.... wow.  'just' an hr for some eye candy effect. :)
[03:00] <tsuna27> under an hr
[03:01] <joseph> looking for a page that talks about the best way to remove unneeded packages
[03:02] <tsuna27> how do i download ksmoothdock
[03:02] <dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install PACKAGENAME
[03:02] <dr_Willis> or use the package manager to search/install it
[03:02] <dwidmann> dr_Willis: 	 don't see it in the package manager actually
[03:03] <wharf> Hi there,i have a usb sound device that kubuntu has recognised
[03:03] <wharf> but no soyund playing
[03:03] <wharf> sound
[03:03] <wharf> the onboard sound on the motherboard was broken so i got a usb one
[03:03] <wharf> i plugged it in
[03:03] <wharf> and the name of it came up on the mixer
[03:03] <dwidmann> only thing that comes up when I search for it is kooldock ...
[03:04] <dr_Willis> !find smooth
[03:04] <wharf> when i select it no sound
[03:04] <dr_Willis> It may not be in the repos then. You may have to use source
[03:05] <mernil> hi all! :-)
[03:05] <wharf> heyyy
[03:05] <mernil> clusby: hi there mate
[03:05] <mernil> hi wharf
[03:06] <wharf> mernil:  by any chance are u good with linux stuff?
[03:06] <wharf> heheh
[03:06] <mernil> wharf: im a guru my friend!
[03:06] <wharf> Ok
[03:06] <wharf> hears the thing
[03:06] <clusby> mernil: hi!
[03:07] <wharf> I had a motherboard with broken soundcardc
[03:07] <wharf> i baught a usb one
[03:07] <wharf> which kubuntu has recognised
[03:07] <wharf> cause its in the mixer settings
[03:07] <wharf> yet
[03:07] <wharf> there is no sound
[03:07] <wharf> :S
[03:07] <wharf> not sure what next
[03:07] <wharf> haha
[03:07] <dr_Willis> #1 be sure to disable the onboard card in bios.
[03:07] <dr_Willis> !alsa
[03:08] <dr_Willis> Then check the troubleshooting guide.
[03:08] <mernil> wharf: difficult to answer, but i know linux dont recognise in-built soundcards easily. I have an in-built soundcard myself, but i have to use a regular soundblaster card
[03:09] <wharf> the built in is broke anyway
[03:09] <flaccid> wharf: also try to play a file with aplay and check mixer settings in kmix and alsamixer
[03:09] <flaccid> it depends on the chip
[03:09] <wharf> how do i run alsa mixer
[03:09] <flaccid> wharf: run command alsamixer
[03:10] <mernil> wharf: yeah, try alsamixer from the console
[03:10] <mernil> and then that control command i always forget
[03:10] <wharf> i just type aslamixer?
[03:10] <wharf> nothing happened
[03:10] <mernil> alsactr store i think
[03:10] <wharf> failed it said
[03:10] <wharf> few other things
[03:11] <flaccid> alsamixer not aslamixer
[03:11] <mernil> wharf: maybe you should be root
[03:11] <flaccid> no its not root, its user
[03:11] <wharf> same as root
[03:12] <flaccid> wharf: sounds like your path or something is stuffed up. what does file /usr/bin/alsamixer return?
[03:12] <crimsun> wharf: see what I asked in #alsa
[03:12] <flaccid> ie. the command is: file /usr/bin/alsamixer
[03:13] <wharf> yea
[03:13] <mernil> wharf: find you where you have alsamixer do a "slocate -u" as root
[03:13] <flaccid> mernil: its in /usr/bin
[03:13] <mernil> and then slocate alsamixer
[03:14] <flaccid> and you wouldn't need root to locate it either
[03:14] <mernil> flaccid: yes, you have to be root to do slocate
[03:14] <mernil> to update the db at least
[03:14] <Moes> When I use pkill kdesktop to run compiz-fusion the next time I boot I have to pkill again is there a fix
[03:14] <flaccid> mernil: thats not what i mean. the file is in /usr/bin
[03:15] <flaccid> mernil: db should be updated with sudo updatedb
[03:15] <mernil> flaccid: okay
[03:15] <tsuna27> !compiz
[03:17] <mernil> btw, when im here. I burned a live-cd for my dad to see. But after you changed language, it hanged-up and stopped. Is this a feature?
[03:18] <flaccid> wharf: also you must have alsa-utils package installed to have alsamixer. this is installed by default on installation
[03:18] <mernil> maybe it's the wrong channel to ask, it was a little sad, because i wanted show my dad linux with kde.
[03:19] <flaccid> !bugs | mernil
[03:19] <mernil> difficult to report a bug when the computer just stops while booting.
[03:20] <flaccid> you can turn off the splash and quiet flags on the kernel so you can see what it freezes up on so you can put it in the bug report
[03:20] <dsmith_> mernil, try verbose
[03:21] <mernil> flaccid: okay, im not so familiar with ubuntu. I use slackware normally. But thanks for the info
[03:21] <mernil> dsmith_: thanks to you as well
[03:22] <flaccid> np.  mernil you know what i mean but ie. you can do it from grub just by 'e' then edit then 'b' ?
[03:23] <mernil> flaccid: im using lilo .. will never use grub .. thinks it's to difficult
[03:23] <mernil> i hate grub, worst piece of shit!
[03:24] <stdin> mernil: do I need to tell you not to swear again?
[03:24] <flaccid> grub is awesome
[03:24] <mernil> stdin: shit aint a swear word
[03:25] <flaccid> it is in this channel
[03:25] <mernil> okay :-)
[03:25] <flaccid> mernil: so kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-19-generic root=/dev/sda2 ro quiet splash  <-- just take out quiet and splash
[03:25] <mernil> i will not use it here
[03:25] <flaccid> i used to say it because im aussie but they don't like it so i don't say it anymore :)
[03:26] <mernil> who is stdin btw? he/she just seem to appere when he thinks i say something wrong?
[03:27] <stdin> stop saying something wrong and I'll disappear ;)
[03:27] <mernil> very annoying bot kinda guy :-)
[03:27] <TheMaxzilla> Play nice and he'll leave.
[03:27] <Hydrogen> or just /ignore him, its bound to be successful!
[03:28] <TheMaxzilla> hehe, that too.
[03:28] <stdin> but ignoring me doesn't stop me from seeing what _you_ type
[03:28] <mernil> ignore is to lame to use, im for free speach.
[03:28] <Hydrogen> no, but it stops us from seeing you repremand us :)
[03:29] <stdin> until I then ask ChanServ for the magic of +o
[03:29] <mernil> im pro-stdin!! :-D
[03:29] <mernil> but dont rain on my parade, or you will be taken down, hard and brutal.
[03:30] <mernil> was that okay? not a single swearing word :-)
[03:30] <stdin> yeah, sure
[03:32] <discombobulated> anyone know why dolphin has a shortcut to my drives but i can't browse them?
[03:33] <mernil> hi lizzie2
[03:33] <mernil> hi lizzie
[03:34] <dwidmann> discombobulated: not sure about the technical reasons why, but KDE 4's dolphin seems to be much better about that.
[03:34] <mernil> can i tell about my ride in the elevator today? It's adult stuff so it might not be apropriate for everybody?
[03:35] <mernil> nothing bad really, just a very cute girl with a killer body :-)
[03:35] <mernil> that's the short story
[03:35] <stdin> don't
[03:35] <flaccid> !ot | mernil
[03:35] <mernil> wb wharf
[03:36] <wharf> hey thanks
[03:37] <discombobulated> is there a command for me to see what's mounted?
[03:37] <flaccid> discombobulated: mount
[03:38] <discombobulated> my fstab after installing kubuntu has no entries for my other partitions
[03:38] <lizzie> hello mernil
[03:38] <mernil> lizzie: how's it hanging?
[03:38] <flaccid> discombobulated: disks and filesystems in system settings to enable them
[03:38] <lizzie> mernil: I was testing hash-based-coloring behavior, sorry about that
[03:38] <mernil> lizzie: hash-based coloring? okay :-)
[03:39] <discombobulated> flaccid: i don't see it. i'm on kubuntu alpha 4
[03:39] <mernil> i somewhat hate when woman knows more about stuff than me ;-)
[03:39] <flaccid> discombobulated: wrong chan for help on that this is for stable versions and non-kde4
[03:39] <mernil> but that's okay .. you cant know everything :-)
[03:39] <reboot08> whats the command to view file eggdrop.conf its unzipped but i dont know how to view files ........?
[03:40] <flaccid> mernil: take the off topic talk to the off topic chan :)
[03:40] <flaccid> reboot08: kate or pico
[03:40] <reboot08> i have kate
[03:40] <reboot08> and pico
[03:40] <reboot08> ty
[03:40] <flaccid> np
[03:41] <mernil> pico is less good, try to learn vi or emacs.
[03:41] <flaccid> pico is fine. text editor is always a personal choice
[03:41] <stdin> vi is e-vi-l
[03:41] <mernil> pff.. you force me to use expressions like "less good" :-P
[03:42] <mernil> i do prefer vi, or vim. Emacs is in my opinion to difficult for just editing.
[03:42] <discombobulated> nm, i could've bought windows the time i spent googling
[03:42] <flaccid> !editor
[03:43] <flaccid> well im alternative to you guys, i use joe :)
[03:43] <TheMaxzilla> Kate > vi[m] > gedit > notepad > emacs
[03:47] <mernil> bbl
[03:56] <dwidmann> kate is *excellent*  .... but we all knew that already :)
[04:00] <TheMaxzilla> Kate > All
[04:02] <e`> vim > *
[04:02] <e`> and remember "* > ALL!
[04:04] <TheMaxzilla> e`: Kate > All
[04:05] <dwidmann> Kate is special, Kate + Konsole part = potential vim vessel. Kate still wins.
[04:08] <e`> bahh
[04:08] <ahmos> i installes audacity but there is no stereo mixer to choose ,anybody can help me plzzzzzz
[04:10] <TheMaxzilla> salez: I found something that may be of use to you. http://www.remote-exploit.org/
[04:14] <flaccid> ahmos: turn on the device toolbar and change the device if needed
[04:24] <tony_> anyone try the new alpha?
[04:26] <discombobulated> but it's my nick, dammit. i don't want someone else using it that's not discombobulated
[04:27] <discombobulated> sry, wrong chan
[04:28] <Dr_willis> You spelt it wrong.
[04:28] <Dr_willis> :P
[04:29] <ahmos_> Dr_willis: hi, there is no stereo mixer option in audacity,why?
[04:29] <Dr_willis> never noticed.. never really looked.
[04:29] <flaccid> ahmos_: did you hear my response
[04:29] <Dr_willis> Lasty i uses audacity one could split the channels into left/right for stero editing.
[04:29] <flaccid> there is no need for a mixer in audacity.
[04:30] <Dr_willis> so im not sure what you are meaning.
[04:30] <flaccid> same
[04:30] <Dr_willis> I only have used the tool to make some ringtones for the wife.
[04:30] <flaccid> audacity by default just uses oss or alsa defaults
[04:30] <flaccid> so if you have a stereo soundcard, it will be stereo
[04:31] <flaccid> meh waste of breath
[04:31] <ahmos_> flaccid: when i try to recoed a sound from a video it become very very weak
[04:31] <Hydrogen> do you ever have the temptation to change your name to erect|afk and see what the response is?
[04:32] <flaccid> ahmos_: very weak? if you are recording wave out then its dependent on the capture channel in your kmix/alsamixer and its fader there for gain
[04:34] <ahmos_> flaccid: could you help me plz sitting up that..what should i do exactly plzzzZzzzzZ?
[04:35] <flaccid> its dependent on your soundcard and driver. goto kmix  mixer select the wave out chan as capture and move the slider up. its probably labelled as Mix
[04:36] <flaccid> if you want to get audio from a video it would be better to rip it
[04:37] <ahmos_> flaccid: the problem that there is nothing labled mix or mixer in kmix
[04:37] <flaccid> what channels do you have?
[04:38] <flaccid> !info soundkonverter | ahmos_ use this instead
[04:41] <ahmos_> flaccid: do you think my sound card is not configured proberly
[04:41] <yue> Hi, on my kubuntu 8.04, strigi daemon always eat up the cpu resources, bug or not?
[04:41] <flaccid> i have no idea. can't help you if you don't respond to my questions.
[04:42] <ahmos_> ah sorry one moment
[04:42] <yue> flaccid: robot?
[04:44] <Dr_willis> r0b0t
[04:44] <ahmos_> flaccid: master,pcm,front,front mic,front mic boost,surround,center,life,side,line,cd,mic,mic boost,pc speakers  those for the output
[04:51] <flaccid> probably pcm then. look for the channels you can capture and select them. also make sure the right device is selected
[04:51] <flaccid> im off
[04:52] <dwidmann> why must kget (kde4) be so crashy? :(
[05:06] <yue> Again---Hi, on my kubuntu 8.04, strigi daemon always eat up the cpu resources, bug or not?
[05:06] <yue> s/eat/eats/g
[05:06] <CHaiNS> what did google say about it?
[05:07] <yue> well, google said it is a bug exist long ago .
[05:07] <yao_ziyuan> i bought a samsung dvd recorder. it can't copy files from a cd to my hard disk in kubuntu+kde4, but it can do so in a windows machine...
[05:07] <yue> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/strigi/+bug/128876
[05:07] <yao_ziyuan> both machines don't install the samsung driver (which is only for windows)
[05:08] <yue> but no one fix it?
[05:08] <yao_ziyuan> maybe it's kde4's cd/dvd driver's problem
[05:09] <yue> but it is strange that it didn't crash on my machine as the launchpad said.
[05:11] <yue> CHaiNS: is there a way to turn the daemon off? I cannot find it in /etc/rc*.d/
[05:14] <mr---t-> !kde4
[05:14] <Dr_willis> or its a bad link to the /dev/cdrom -> real device issue
[05:14] <Dr_willis> Since when did a dvd burner need a driver?
[05:44] <ForgeAus> !thunderbird
[05:59] <bill__> sailor
[06:30] <ehc> how can I mount a ipod with permission to read and write?
[06:32] <flaccid> !ipod | ehc
[06:32] <flaccid> if its mass storage it might appear in disks & filesystems in system settings
[06:32] <flaccid> !fstab
[06:33] <flaccid> sorry i've never used an ipod so i dont know exactly
[06:35] <flaccid> if an op is around that fstab factoid should say filesystems not partitions. this is what fstab integrates into the filesystem not partitions
[06:36] <ForgeAus> Flaccid Ipods can work as mass storage devices...
[06:36] <ForgeAus> (depending on how you wish to work with them)
[06:36] <flaccid> coolio
[06:36] <ForgeAus> I just know I'm no fan of iTunes!
[06:36] <flaccid> so ehc is mounting read only or without the right mask or whatever. this can be fixed in the gui frontend or fstab itself
[06:37] <ehc> trying to go to Disk and Filesystems gives me an error that the module cannot be loaded.
[06:38] <ehc> in fstab I don't see anything entry for a usb ipod.
[06:39] <ehc> what should be my mount command?
[06:40] <flaccid> !ntfs | ehc masks are talked about there and also the fstab link above. i would also google your error and report a bug if necessary. i have to go walk the dog so maybe ForgeAus can advise the actual command if you are too lazy to work it out
[06:53] <neptunepink> I'm gonna build a computer, what are good mobo chipsets?
[06:54] <tony_> p35's are good. i have an ip35 pro and compatible with vista, linux, and hackintosh
[06:55] <ehc> I am trying to mount my ipod so that I as a user can edit it but the following only allows user to write to it: /dev/sdb1 /media/IPOD vfat rw,user,exec 0 0
[06:59] <mrksbrd> anyone here?
[07:03] <mrksbrd> flaccid: u awake?
[07:04] <p_quarles> !ask | mrksbrd
[07:06] <mrksbrd> any idea why after installing adobe reader, it will not assign rights to open pdf doc
[07:07] <p_quarles> in Konqueror or Firefox?
[07:07] <mrksbrd> well installed it via alien ...converted from rpm to deb
[07:08] <mrksbrd> only opens thru kpdf
[07:08] <mrksbrd> no options under 'open with"
[07:09] <p_quarles> why alien? it's available at medibuntu
[07:10] <mrksbrd> i tried seaching only came up with flash
[07:10] <p_quarles> you have to add the medibuntu repository; or at least download the acrobat-reader .deb
[07:11] <mrksbrd> i don't think there is a deb file avail.....@ least not thru adobe web site
[07:11] <mrksbrd> i'll try again
[07:11] <p_quarles> mrksbrd, through MEDIBUNTU
[07:12] <mernil> hi all! :-)
[07:13] <mernil> it might be ot, but i just made my semi-famous pasta sause. Strong as hell! My tounge is aching as i write this.
[07:14] <bazhang> !ot | mernil
[07:14] <mernil> :-)
[07:14] <mrksbrd> p_quarles: ty
[07:14] <mernil> im just trying to be friendly :-)
[07:14] <bazhang> mernil, this is the wrong place.
[07:15] <mernil> a dead channel is better?
[07:15] <mrksbrd> repo was in there was just unchecked for some reason
[07:18] <v6lur> is intrepid KDE4-only release?
[07:27] <djdarkman> v6lur: don't think so
[07:27] <djdarkman> but as I recall it's not settled yet, it depends on how stable will KDE4 be when the time comes....
[07:31] <v6lur> i found this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=854315
[07:31] <mrksbrd> p_quarles: still there
[07:33] <mrksbrd> getting this error when attempting install thru adept for Adobe Reader........."There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[07:34] <p_quarles> mrksbrd, did you uninstall the .rpm you used earlier?
[07:35] <mrksbrd> tried to uninstall thru adept "acroreader-enu" ....gave me same error
[07:40] <mrksbrd> thats what I can't understand.......thought what I had installed vs what the repos have was the same thing
[07:46] <v6lur> is it ok to install kernel etc from intrepid's repo onto hardy machine?
[07:47] <stdin> v6lur: no
[07:48] <v6lur> any particular reason or would it just 'break things'?
[07:49] <stdin> v6lur: it would break just about *everything*
[07:53] <v6lur> ok...
[07:53] <mrksbrd> stdin: could u page up a few lines & read the error i'm getting please
[07:54] <stdin> mrksbrd: try with apt-get and see what the real error is
[07:54] <mrksbrd> k
[07:57] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu.com/40087/
[07:58] <mrksbrd> how do i correct that
[08:02] <stdin> libldap2 is not available in Hardy, apparently libldap-2.4-2 replaces it
[08:02] <lalo2> Hi! I have a big problem, and I need some help...
[08:03] <mrksbrd> hmmmm....think i found something
[08:05] <tony_> anyone know how to open a cps file?
[08:07] <Dragon_Master> I need help installing java on Firefox 3
[08:07] <mrksbrd> stdin: read this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=749546
[08:07] <Dragon_Master> or atleast getting it to work
[08:07] <Dragon_Master> xD
[08:07] <mrksbrd> don't understand why though you would have to downgrade
[08:07] <tony_> Dragon_Master: apt-cache search flash firefox
[08:09] <Dragon_Master> huh?
[08:10] <tony_> sudo apt-get install flashnon-free or something like that, should be easy
[08:11] <stdin> mrksbrd: I didn't say you have to downgrade, it's a different package. I, apparently, have both
[08:11] <stdin> tony_: that's flash, he said java
[08:11] <mrksbrd> oh ok
[08:12] <tony_> stdin: my bad, though i thought it's the same
[08:12] <mrksbrd> is there a command to tell which is installed?
[08:12] <stdin> Dragon_Master: usually you just install sun-java6-plugin
[08:13] <stdin> mrksbrd: "apt-cache policy <package>" or you can filter to show only installed packages in adept
[08:13] <mrksbrd> ok ty
[08:13] <Dragon_Master> stdin, tried that already
[08:15] <lalo2> any help please? the nvidia restricted drivers completely freeze my computer...
[08:15]  * Dragon_Master bangs head on wall
[08:17] <Dragon_Master> stdin
[08:17] <lalo2> any help please? the nvidia restricted drivers completely freeze my computer...
[08:17] <Dragon_Master> I installed it manually
[08:17] <Dragon_Master> and did the file link
[08:17] <Dragon_Master> =/
[08:17] <Dragon_Master> just not detecting
[08:19] <stdin> Dragon_Master: maybe try "sudo update-alternatives --config firefox-javaplugin.so" or "sudo update-alternatives --config xulrunner-javaplugin.so"
[08:21] <reboot08> howdy  yall
[08:21] <Dragon_Master> "no alternitives"
[08:22] <stdin> Dragon_Master: you have tried restarting firefox?
[08:23] <Dragon_Master> I've closed it completely
[08:23] <Dragon_Master> even restarted after I installed another app for it
[08:27] <mrksbrd> stdin: installed libldap2....and still coming up with same error....is a full reboot required?
[08:27] <stdin> Dragon_Master: does the link /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin.so point to /etc/alternatives/firefox-javaplugin.so ?
[08:27] <Dragon_Master> no
[08:27] <stdin> mrksbrd: if you've installed it then it shouldn't be the same error
[08:28] <Dragon_Master> it points to the sun java plugin
[08:28] <Dragon_Master> =P
[08:29] <stdin> Dragon_Master: the /etc/alternatives/firefox-javaplugin.so link points to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so for me
[08:29] <mrksbrd> don't know why but it is
[08:29] <Dragon_Master> mhm
[08:30] <Dragon_Master> mine goes straight between the firefox plugins and libjavaplugin
[08:30] <stdin> mrksbrd: does "dpkg -l |grep libldap2" show it installed?
[08:31] <mrksbrd> let me see
[08:32] <ForgeAus> why can't you plug thunderbird into firefox? hehe
[08:32] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu.com/40094/
[08:33] <ulusoy> slm
[08:33] <mrksbrd> appears to be installed to me
[08:33] <stdin> mrksbrd: you seem to only have the -dev package installed there
[08:34]  * mrksbrd bangs his head against wall
[08:34] <mrksbrd> that was only install option avail in adept
[08:34] <Dragon_Master> I know the feeliong mrksbrd
[08:35] <mrksbrd> lol
[08:35] <Dragon_Master> java problem for 2 days now
[08:35] <Dragon_Master> =/
[08:36] <mrksbrd> sounds like u have a similar prob as me just with java
[08:36] <Dragon_Master> xD
[08:36] <Dragon_Master> whaat're you with?
[08:36] <mrksbrd> huh?
[08:36] <Dragon_Master> whats your prob
[08:36] <Dragon_Master> xD
[08:37] <mrksbrd> acroread
[08:37] <stdin> why do you need acroread anyway?
[08:37] <Dragon_Master> acrobatt reader
[08:37] <Dragon_Master> =P
[08:38] <mrksbrd> personal preference......plus kpdf doesn't recognize secured doc links for some reason
[08:38] <ForgeAus> you don't need it, kpdf/okular does pdf filez
[08:38] <ForgeAus> ohh kay... I guess you have a reason then ...
[08:39] <ForgeAus> I hate pdf files anyway
[08:41] <mrksbrd> stdin: ty anyways really appreciate help
[08:59] <mrksbrd> yahooooooooo finally got it to work
[09:00] <pteague> `$ ls -al` returns "total 0 \ -????????? ? ? ? ?                ? de.js" & it won't let me delete the file even as root... it's on ext3
[09:01] <Dr_willis> pteague Hmm... are the filenames messed up also?
[09:01] <Dr_willis> sound slike you may be needing to fsck that filesystem
[09:01] <pteague> i came across that while doing an `rm -fdr dir/`
[09:03] <pteague> i have to unmount the drive before i can do that, don't i ?
[09:03] <eagles0513875> does anyone know when the vbox modules will be built for 2.6.24-21 kernel
[09:12] <ehc3> is there a command to show the hard drives on a system if I am running off a boot cd?
[09:13] <ForgeAus> shouldn't kde 4.1 be in hardy's repos?
[09:16] <mrksbrd> ehc3: u running off live cd?
[09:17] <mrksbrd> ForgeAus: sudo apt-get install kde4 should work
[09:17] <ForgeAus> it does
[09:17] <ForgeAus> but thats kde 4.0.something afaik
[09:18] <ehc3> mrksbrd: yes
[09:20] <mrksbrd> ehc3: kubuntu right?  if so l ook under system menu....icon next to kmenu down on the bottom
[09:22] <mrksbrd> ForgeAus: did u try symantec or adept?
[09:23] <ehc3> mrksbrd: thanks.
[09:24] <mrksbrd> welcome
[09:25] <ilkin> hi
[09:26] <ilkin> I have a problem with Firefox 3 in Kubuntu
[09:26] <ilkin> each time it starts in offline mode
[09:26] <ilkin> why does it happen?
[09:28] <mrksbrd> ilkin: make sure "edit'..."preferences"....advanced setting....proxy isn't checked
[09:29] <mrksbrd> for some reason it's not seeing your intrnet connection
[09:30] <ilkin> no proxy -is checked
[09:33] <mrksbrd> hmm
[09:36] <mrksbrd> still checking for ya
[09:38] <ilkin> "Once I removed NetworkManager everything was fine." - I found this in internet. May it work?
[09:39] <mrksbrd> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/191889
[09:45] <mrksbrd> ilkin: seems like a bug in v3....for some reason needs network manager to show online status
[09:49] <ilkin> network manager does not see connected dial-up
[10:03] <ilkin> people, is there any other network manager software for kubuntu?
[10:04] <flaccid> ilkin: no but there is alternatives like wicd
[10:06] <ilkin> does it support dial-up connections? PPP
[10:06] <strawbeRRy_fieLd> hi flaccid, how's it going?
[10:06] <flaccid> im alright
[10:06] <flaccid> ilkin: not sure, check it out
[10:11] <Roey> http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/package-management-sudoku/
[10:11] <Roey> :)
[10:15] <flaccid> !op | Roey
[10:15] <flaccid> oops
[10:15] <Roey> but thanks :)
[10:15] <flaccid> that was meant to be !ot :(
[10:15] <Roey> oh come on ;)
[10:15] <flaccid> !ot | Roey
[10:15] <flaccid> this is kubuntu support
[10:15] <Roey> ah, I see
[10:15] <Roey> thanks!
[10:16] <flaccid> np
[10:17] <ForgeAus> uh how do I set up the audio jacks on my soundcard in kubuntu?
[10:17] <ForgeAus> the sound works, but I have two speakers that aren't outputting because I don't know how to set them to be speakerports
[10:18] <ForgeAus> (actually I think its some kinda onboard realtek card)
[10:19] <flaccid> what is the connectivity of the speakers ForgeAus?
[10:19] <ForgeAus> flaccid? they plug into the soundcard directly, its just that theres 6 ports and I don't know how to configure in Linux what they mean
[10:19] <ForgeAus> (in Windows you get the choice)
[10:20] <ForgeAus> right now it probably thinks theres a microphone plugged in! lol
[10:20] <flaccid> so they are analogue 3.5mm trs jacks i assume
[10:20] <ForgeAus> (I tend to set these two to the background L/R speakers of a 5.1 setup (or quadrophonic)
[10:20] <flaccid> in that case unless there is a hardware mixer, its all done with alsa through alsamixer and kmix for kde
[10:21] <flaccid> it should be an option in kmix
[10:21] <ForgeAus> I trid kmix but didn't seem to have that stuff there
[10:21] <flaccid> then its probably a limitation of the driver for the card
[10:21] <flaccid> you talking about changing between stereo and surround etc.
[10:22] <ForgeAus> uh not sure
[10:22] <ForgeAus> possibly
[10:22] <flaccid> what are you trying to achieve?
[10:22] <ForgeAus> there is some sound working (I guess that could be stereo)
[10:23] <ForgeAus> I just want my "extra" two speakers outputting sound...
[10:23] <flaccid> what chip/driver is it?
[10:23] <ForgeAus> how do I find out?
[10:24] <flaccid> whatever it says in kmix
[10:24] <ForgeAus> it says ALSA + OSS is supported and ALSA is being used
[10:25] <ForgeAus> where does it say what HARDWARE (not what linux soundsystem)
[10:25] <flaccid> i don't see any of that in my kmix
[10:25] <flaccid> kmix is the speaker icon in the system tray
[10:26] <flaccid> bottom right hand corner it says the device which should match aplay -l
[10:26] <flaccid> the option you are looking for to change modes should be in the switches tab
[10:28] <ForgeAus> uh I hjad to run it using kmix on the console... and can't see that mode
[10:28] <ForgeAus> just mute, select master chaannel... hide mixer window and quit
[10:29] <ForgeAus> (nless its running a kde4 one?)
[10:29] <ForgeAus> anyway gotta eat, bbl
[10:29] <flaccid> you still didn't tell me the soundard as it says in kmix and if the controls are not there its not supported in the driver
[10:37] <ForgeAus> flaccid sorry to mess you around but I don't know any better, afaik its using ALSA, (OSS is supported too)... but I can't find any reference as to what kind of card it is...
[10:37] <Fargh_> +OK DepsZ/KItgk0
[10:39] <flaccid> ForgeAus: open kmix, its the label bottom right corner of window (or see aplay -l as advised)
[10:44] <ForgeAus> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: CMI9880 [CMI9880]
[10:44] <ForgeAus>   Subdevices: 1/1
[10:44] <ForgeAus>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[10:45] <ForgeAus> showed it twice only difference for second one is that its got Digital after the CMI code.. (and its device 1)
[10:46] <flaccid> 5.1 or 6.1 or something
[10:46] <flaccid> first google result ForgeAus: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/soundmulti-channels-on-an-hda-intelc-media-cmi9880-soundcard-341822/
[10:47] <abby87> hello friends i'm getting this error when i type alsamixer... alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Connection refused
[10:47] <abby87> my audio card is Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[10:47] <flaccid> abby87: what did google say about the error?
[10:48] <ForgeAus> thanx flaccid
[10:48] <abby87> its a bug
[10:48] <flaccid> ForgeAus: there are more results on google but this will probably solve it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[10:48] <abby87> but mine is updated
[10:49] <flaccid> abby87: still might exist
[10:49] <abby87> flaccid: but i have no sound ...and practically waiting till the bug is resolved will be stupid on my part
[10:50] <flaccid> so?
[10:50] <flaccid> i see more on google than a bug
[10:51] <abby87> doing alsaconf now hope it works
[10:51] <flaccid> abby87: do you use pulseaudio at all? is this a pure kubuntu install?
[11:07] <kev_> Hey, anyone here got any idea how to solve, or work around this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=899159
[11:09] <Dr_willis> its alwyas a good idea to summerize the  problem kev_  :)  not just give a url
[11:11] <kev_> URL summerizes the problem :P
[11:12] <Dr_willis> and i imagine that no one is going to read it...
[11:12] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:13] <flaccid> kev_: dns problem.
[11:13] <flaccid> you can install pb with etwolf install binary
[11:14] <cacf3b2074> hi
[11:14] <cacf3b2074> how to allow to turn off coputer without entering the password, even if screen is locked
[11:15] <flaccid> cacf3b2074: not a good idea but it can be done by editing /etc/sudoers to not require a password on the command
[11:15] <kev_> yeah, but its an outdated vers, and it doesnt autoupdate, tried the pbweb thing, managed to get the vers updated, removed the errrors, and played for about 10 minutes, then got kicked and told to update manually, wich ive redone and redone :E
[11:15] <snypermann> hy, I can't install ndiswrapper-source. why? what do i need to do?
[11:15] <kev_> u think its a DNS problem at my end flaccid
[11:16] <flaccid> kev_: well according to the error its dns resolution, i resolve that host fine. i guess you could do su -c echo "208.64.161.186 websec2.evenbalance.com" >> /etc/hosts
[11:16] <cacf3b2074> flaccid: its an awesome idea
[11:16] <cacf3b2074> n
[11:16] <ForgeAus> !alsaconf
[11:16]  * ForgeAus grinz
[11:16] <cacf3b2074> not by password, by key
[11:16] <flaccid> snypermann: who knows. if you told us the error/problem we might be able to help
[11:18] <kev_> from su -c echo "208.64.161.186 websec2.evenbalance.com" >> /etc/hosts i get Unknown id
[11:18] <Dr_willis> kev_,  one normally uses 'sudo' under ubuntu. and doing tha sort of command with sudo. takes a bit more effort. You could get a root shell then do it I guess.
[11:19] <flaccid> kev_: do kdesudo /etc/hosts and put it in manually
[11:19] <flaccid> not sure why su -c don't work right in ubuntui get permission denied myself
[11:19] <kev_> well i did suod -i 1st, then entered
[11:19] <Dr_willis> I thought it was due to there being no root password at all
[11:19] <kev_> ill try kdesudo
[11:20] <flaccid> i have one set/root enabled
[11:20] <Dr_willis> sudo -i, for a root shell then the echo ... whatever.. should work.
[11:20] <Dr_willis> perhaps its a quoteing issue with su -c ?
[11:20] <flaccid> i think i was trying to be smart because i never advise su for ubuntu
[11:20] <snypermann> flaccid: E: Package ndiswrapper-source has no installation candidate
[11:21] <Dr_willis> i rarely use the echo whatever >>  because I hate it when i forget to use 2 >>'s :)
[11:21] <Dr_willis> !find ndiswrapper
[11:21] <flaccid> !ndiswrapper | snypermann
[11:21] <Dr_willis> !find ndiswrapper-source
[11:21] <snypermann> thanks
[11:21] <flaccid> !info ndiswrapper
[11:22] <flaccid> !info ndiswrapper-common
[11:22] <flaccid> man this is poor, i'll check the link above
[11:22] <kev_> MATE
[11:22] <kev_> searched for hours on trying to fix this, ur a genuis
[11:22] <kev_> thanks
[11:22] <flaccid> kev_: hehe np
[11:23] <flaccid> snypermann: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[11:23] <kev_> such a simple thing too
[11:23] <Dr_willis> I would of just used  'sudo nano /etc/hosts' hrs ago. :)
[11:23] <flaccid> if an op is around can we update the !ndiswrapper factoid to link to the wiki entry above please!
[11:23] <Dr_willis> and not gotten all fancy with echo
[11:23] <flaccid> stdin or jpds or someone :)
[11:23] <flaccid> Dr_willis: yeah i was trying to be a smary pants and it failed :(
[11:23] <Dr_willis> heh heh.
[11:23] <kev_> ill do it however i learn it, bt picking up tips from here, forums and other places
[11:24] <flaccid> +t
[11:24] <kev_> dont mind being 'fancy' with echos, its all phun
[11:24] <Dr_willis> kev_,  till a typo erases a file. :)
[11:24] <kev_> then u have fun fixing it, dont you!
[11:24] <Dr_willis> Been there... DONE that.... :)
[11:24] <kev_> :D
[11:25]  * Dr_willis has the  the t-shirt also
[11:25] <kev_> :D
[11:27] <peter__> hello could somebody guide me or give a few tips to install the right driver for an i810 graphic chipset in kubuntu-kde4-heron?
[11:28] <flaccid> peter__: its already installed, use Driver "intel" or none
[11:29] <flaccid> peter__: do you have the pkg "xserver-xorg-video-i810" installed?
[11:29] <flaccid> you can also use Driver "i810" to force it to use it
[11:30] <flaccid> peter__: http://www.xfree86.org/current/i810.4.html :)
[11:30] <peter__> where do i change to driver intel in kde4 heron my xorg.conf doesnt look like normal(in a debian)
[11:31] <flaccid> this is not the channel for kde4 support, see the topic
[11:32] <peter__> i dont know if it hangs with kde4?
[11:32] <flaccid> anyway xorg.conf has nothing to do with kde. its the same. you may need to add the directive because xorg 7.x is quite plug n play like
[11:32] <flaccid> i don't know if it hangs either :)
[11:32] <peter__> under device i just see "configured video device" instead of a name or so..
[11:32] <flaccid> thats because it detects now, its not required
[11:33] <flaccid> chances are your X is already using the intel driver. this can be checked in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:33] <Dr_willis> i wonder if 'grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf' would show it
[11:33] <goof> hi
[11:33] <peter__> so in puppy i can run compiz...
[11:34] <Dr_willis> thats a scary thought. :)
[11:34] <goof> i know this is asilly question but this is the 1st time i have tried this program but what is it?
[11:35] <peter__> what program?
[11:35] <peter__> konversation?
[11:35] <goof> yyes
[11:35] <peter__> its an irc chat client...
[11:35] <goof> useing my ubuntu name and password?
[11:35] <kev_> If u "mouse over" icons the tend to have a description
[11:36] <peter__> is there a channel for old hardware????
[11:36] <Dr_willis> Not ever noticed a 'old-stuff' channel. :)
[11:36] <peter__> sh..
[11:37] <geek_> peter__: not specifically, though i have a bit of experience running kubuntu on a PIII 350 ;p
[11:37]  * Dr_willis proberly should be in a 'grumpy-old-people' channel
[11:37] <geek_> (protip. have LOTS of ram.)
[11:38] <peter__> @geek_: i want to have at least that expo thing on kde4 heron no shadows and sh.t. just thos useful things
[11:38] <goof> u ran it on a 350 im having trouble to get it 2 run on friends 933
[11:38] <geek_> peter__: if you're running it on an old box.. i think you should stick to  3.5
[11:38] <goof> ubuntu that is
[11:38] <geek_> goof: how much ram?
[11:38] <goof> 512 pc133
[11:39] <Dr_willis> icky. :)
[11:39] <Dr_willis> time for dsl
[11:39] <goof> lol
[11:39] <geek_> goof: i ran it with 640 mb of ram ;p
[11:39] <Dr_willis> I dont reccomend puppylinux  much any more.. :) but its handy.
[11:39] <peter__> i run a P3 with nearly 800MHZ and... ah forget it i dont really need this...
[11:39] <flaccid> qt4 uses less resources which means kde can be like that too
[11:39] <peter__> i should be happy to have a running system...
[11:40] <geek_> peter__: how much ram?
[11:40] <peter__> but this compositing sh..f.. is like a godda..n drug.
[11:40] <geek_> peter__: personally, not on an old box. compositing is graphics card dependant anyway
[11:40] <Dr_willis> as useless as viagra to a ... err... Hmm...  ... forget it.. :)
[11:41] <peter__> thats the next thing...
[11:41] <peter__> my msi2000 doesnt seem to like that rivatnt that a burried out somewhere..
[11:42] <peter__> but i have everything running dont need nothing more....
[11:43] <peter__> i think ill do something useful instead and lear for lpi
[11:43] <peter__> ciao...
[11:44] <peter__> hello
[11:44] <peter__> back again...
[11:45] <peter__> now something really simple for an expert:
[11:45] <peter__> how do i chang the modeline linux boots with?
[11:45] <peter__> when i change to a virtual terminal the font is as big as the empire state.
[11:46] <peter__> ??
[11:46] <peter__> change...
[11:47] <flaccid> !enter | peter__
[11:50] <peter__> want to change modeline for boot - VT too big fonts - please help - thank you
[11:51] <flaccid> peter__: simple google search reveals things like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=883192
[11:51] <flaccid> you probably want to change the resolution instead..
[11:51] <flaccid> lots on google :) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&hs=7xX&q=terminal+resolution+ubuntu&btnG=Search
[11:53] <peter__> no i dont want to because when a change to a !Virtual Terminal! with ctrl+alt+F2 the system is not interested in my X-Server resolution!
[11:53] <peter__> i DO try to google it meanwhile
[11:53] <kev_> flaccid: how do i give myself read/write/delete persmisions of a folder using terminal? nautlis wont load as root for some reason
[11:54] <flaccid> peter__: thats correct. X runs on 1 virtual terminal.
[11:54] <flaccid> !permissions | kev_
[11:54] <kev_> ta
[11:58] <flaccid> peter__: you can also change the font: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-372239.html
[12:00] <peter__> maybe u got me the wrong way a terminal not the konsole
[12:01] <peter__> is it ok just to append a vga=normal to the menu.lst entry?
[12:02] <peter__> so forget me... goodbye
[12:02] <flaccid> i am talking about the virtual terminals aka ttys. X runs on 1 of them and this is totally independant of the other ttys in the runlevel
[12:02] <flaccid> lol
[12:02] <flaccid> so emotional and impatient :)
[12:03] <flaccid> peter__: yes. please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer which is a good reference/help thing
[12:06] <peter__> its nothing emotional .... its about losing time... i lost enough for my whole life ... wrong job and so.
[12:07] <peter__> but thank you for trying to help me...
[12:18] <KyleNeedsHelp> hello  i need help with installing kubuntu 8.10 alpha 4 on fakeraid 0 (ICH10R)
[12:18] <KyleNeedsHelp> someone can help me ?
[12:19] <emilsedgh> !ask | KyleNeedsHelp
[12:20] <KyleNeedsHelp> ahhh ok ^^
[12:20] <detrate> Does kde have a window 'snap to edge' or 'edge attraction' like gnome?
[12:20] <KyleNeedsHelp> i installed kubuntu 8.10 4 time and endless configuration
[12:20] <KyleNeedsHelp> i followed many different howtos
[12:21] <KyleNeedsHelp> for 10 hours now
[12:21] <flaccid> KyleNeedsHelp: only hardy and prior support here
[12:21] <flaccid> !intrepid | KyleNeedsHelp
[12:21] <KyleNeedsHelp> when it boots i tells me could not find /dev/mapper/..........Volume01 (my raid file )
[12:22] <flaccid> sounds about right for alpha software. anyway please take it to the right channel KyleNeedsHelp
[12:22] <KyleNeedsHelp> so it possible that it is not my fault ? which version would you recommand to use for installing kubuntu on fakeraid 0 ?
[12:24] <KyleNeedsHelp> recommend*
[12:25] <flaccid> please read above
[12:26] <KyleNeedsHelp> well, i just need to know which version is best for fakeraid and which image to use (desktop or alternate).
[12:27] <Walzmyn> I've made 2 attempts at downloading intrepid and installing in a virtualization - neither worked. is anybody else having trouble?
[12:28] <flaccid> this is not the channel for interepid support, see above and topic
[12:28] <KyleNeedsHelp> i dont want interepid support
[12:29] <flaccid> then why did you download it?
[12:29] <flaccid> !download | KyleNeedsHelp
[12:29] <Walzmyn> the topic's long since rolled off and all i asked was if anybody else was getting faulty downloads
[12:30] <flaccid> KyleNeedsHelp: so just download hardy as per above
[12:30] <Walzmyn> what is fakeraid?
[12:31] <flaccid> Walzmyn: you asked more than that. and for people to help you with your problem you need to give more information on what the error and actual problem are not 'doesn't work'
[12:31] <KyleNeedsHelp> because i just though it is the newest version and maybe best for installing fakeraid, but now i am JUST interested which version (7.10 or 8.04 or 8.04.1 or what.ever0) is best for installing on fakeraid
[12:32] <flaccid> KyleNeedsHelp: alpha software is not going to help you. download hardy from teh above link which is 8.04
[12:32] <Walzmyn> flaccid, sorry, it just seems like the default answer on freenode is "this is not the correct forum" after a while it gets anoying
[12:32] <flaccid> Walzmyn: you won't have a problem if you ask in the right channel
[12:32] <Walzmyn> well, WTF is the right channel for a download of kubuntu if it's not #kubuntu?
[12:33] <KyleNeedsHelp> which iso alternate or desktop ? or can i use both ?
[12:33] <Walzmyn> I think the topic here is something like "all things related to kubuntu"
[12:33] <KyleNeedsHelp> @wlzmyn #debian ^^
[12:33] <flaccid> Walzmyn: your statement said that you had problems installing intrepid. intrepid support is in #ubuntu+1
[12:33] <flaccid> KyleNeedsHelp: either. desktop is livecd and alternate is text based installer
[12:33] <KyleNeedsHelp> just kidding
[12:33] <flaccid> Walzmyn: thats not what the topic says.
[12:34] <KyleNeedsHelp> does hardy support fakeraid ? i read somewhere that it is not support fakeraid
[12:35] <Walzmyn> KyleNeedsHelp, just FYI i tried looking up what a fakeraid is and the first hit said "fakeraid is not supported by Ubuntu"
[12:35] <flaccid> i just googled and seems a lot of people have done fake raid with hardy
[12:36] <KyleNeedsHelp> @flaccid: is fakeraid support and if, is it stable to use ?
[12:36] <flaccid> this is also backed up by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto
[12:36] <flaccid> and the above is Official documentation :)
[12:37] <KyleNeedsHelp> i know that page after 10hours of work
[12:37] <flaccid> hmm i see your point. doesn't look like canonical supports it officialy
[12:37] <KyleNeedsHelp> thank you
[12:37] <peter__> does anybody know what could be the problem if  u have not more then 2 options to choose for screen resolution?
[12:38] <flaccid> considering the warning, i'd wouldn't use fakeraid with ubuntu KyleNeedsHelp
[12:38] <peter__> before i had about 10 options to choose from
[12:38] <flaccid> peter__: could be thousands of reasons. it should advise in the x log which is /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:39] <flaccid> reading that warning would of saved you 10 hours of time :O
[12:39] <peter__> want to go to 1024x768 give me a tip .. no more modelines i see in xorg.conf yoda said.
[12:40] <flaccid> like i said the log will say. feel free to pastebin it for the channel to look at
[12:40] <KyleNeedsHelp> i have no other choise cause i have vista installed on fakeraid 0, so to whom can i talk who is experienced in raid and fakeraids ? any ideas
[12:40] <KyleNeedsHelp> (btw)
[12:40] <KyleNeedsHelp> i never give up !
[12:41] <flaccid> KyleNeedsHelp: try #ubuntu-server or #ubuntu . someone probably would of help you already here if they did
[12:41] <KyleNeedsHelp> ok thank you
[12:42] <mcscruff> lo
[12:45] <blackflag> Hello all :) I want to connect amachine via a "usb isdn modem" but dont know to find it under /dev so I know which device I have to choose under kppp.  Can someone help?
[12:45] <jemand> irc.freenode.net:6667
[12:46] <flaccid> blackflag: you would probably need a driver, so you should check dmesg when you plug it in and also google your model in google
[12:47] <blackflag> yes , the driver is loaded. But I dont know how I can find it under /dev ?
[12:47] <flaccid> check lshw and the logs to see if it mentions it i guess
[12:51] <blackflag> in log is only shown that the driver is loaded not where it is located under /dev
[12:56] <flaccid> and lshw ?
[12:57] <blackflag> no, ther it is also not shown
[12:58] <flaccid> hmm maybe there is  a way to work it out from lsusb
[12:58] <flaccid> im really not sure how to work it out although there would obviously be a way
[13:02] <blackflag> hmm, yes I had a look to lsusb. but can not find a way to find out how its now connected
[13:05] <flaccid> blackflag: unplug the device, then plug it in then check ls -lt /dev
[13:05] <frybye> hi - when inserting a usb pencil that is formated fat16 it does not get automatically mounted  - kde3 - how can I fix.. not sure exactly how to use mount command?
[13:05] <flaccid> if udev or whatever hooks it up with the driver auto as per dmesg, it should be the last entry in that list as its done dynamically
[13:05] <flaccid> frybye: do you get a popup asking you what to do when you instert it?
[13:06] <frybye> no...flaccid
[13:06] <flaccid> yep so thats a hald bug so goto disks & filesystems in system settings and see if you can configure it there
[13:06] <frybye> hi again btw...
[13:06] <flaccid> howdy
[13:07] <frybye> flaccid: that last stuff for me???
[13:08] <flaccid> yes sir sorry
[13:09] <frybye> in settings I dont find anything related to disks and filesystems.. hmmm
[13:09] <flaccid> oh
[13:09] <flaccid> sorry that was for blackflag
[13:09] <frybye> hang on different settings menu point.. sorry..
[13:09] <flaccid> well yeah sorry it was for you
[13:10] <flaccid> yeah its in advanced i think
[13:13] <frybye> thanks flaccid you are an ace.. hehe
[13:15] <flaccid> cool
[13:17] <kruk> hi
[13:17] <kruk> is anytbody here?
[13:17] <flaccid> wb jr
[13:17] <flaccid> many people are here.
[13:18] <kruk> now i see
[13:19] <kruk> who is from poland? :)
[13:19] <frybye> flaccid - when i plug in the usb pendrive it now opens a popup but says that i dont have the rights to mount etc..
[13:19] <flaccid> !pl | kruk
[13:19] <flaccid> frybye: check the entry in fstab, if there is one, add the 'users' option to the entry
[13:20] <flaccid> that should also be an option in the disks & filesystems frontend
[13:20] <frybye> by editing the fstab.conf or ?
[13:20] <flaccid> negative /etc/fstab
[13:20] <frybye> ok... hang on...
[13:21] <flaccid> so i have this commented out entry i need to use sometimes: #/dev/sdb1 /media/usb-disk auto users,noauto,atime,auto,rw,nodev,exec,nosuid 0 0
[13:21] <flaccid> notice the users option..
[13:21] <frybye> can I use a normal   gedit /etc/fstab for that or do i need some sort of special **sudo??
[13:21] <flaccid> use kdesudo
[13:23] <SwK1> Hi Guys, Is there any option to do a remote login in kubuntu?
[13:24] <frybye> flaccid:  this is already in there - not commented out   /dev/sdb1 /media/usb-disk auto users,noauto,atime,auto,rw,nodev,exec,nosuid 0 0
[13:24] <frybye> what -is- commented out is /dev/sda1  <-- do i need to change that...?
[13:24] <frybye> eh - or should i perhaps past the whole thing for u to have a gander at...?
[13:25] <flaccid> !xdmcp | SwK1
[13:25] <flaccid> SwK1: there is also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto
[13:26] <frybye> http://paste.ubuntu.com/40162/<--flaccid
[13:26] <flaccid> frybye: as per sudo fdisk -l what is the usb disk or disk in question?
[13:27] <frybye> flaccid it is /dev/sdb1
[13:28] <SwK1> thanks guys, i tried this XDMCP but did not succeed so right now i am using x11vnc. probably i will give one more try.
[13:29] <SwK1> does this XDMCP work with KDE? most of the help site says they work perfectly with GNOME
[13:29] <pim_> probably
[13:30] <flaccid> frybye: yep so you have nouser in there, you need to change that to users so any user can mount and not root only
[13:30] <flaccid> SwK1: yes
[13:30] <frybye> give me a clue how to do it - not with chmod or...?
[13:31] <flaccid> frybye: no fstab is a text file, im saying edit and change the ext nouser to users in the entry
[13:31] <flaccid> frybye: like http://paste.ubuntu.com/40165/
[13:33] <SwK1> flaccid, you mean XDMCP will work with KDE?
[13:34] <flaccid> totally. it has nothing to do with the DE but rather the X server
[13:34] <SwK1> cool, so can i access the linux box from XP? should i install any other client software?
[13:35] <frybye> flaccid:  so the nouser part just needs to move up a line so as not to be on its own - right?
[13:36] <flaccid> SwK1: yes please read the link in full :p http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/procedure.html#REMOTE
[13:36] <flaccid> frybye: no, you replace 'nouser' with 'users' just like my initial example and the pastebin i did back for you which is how your fstab should be for it
[13:37] <SwK1> yes thanks i got it these are some of the clients on XP "Hummingbird's Exceed, Reflection X, X-Win32 or X-ThinPro"
[13:37] <SwK1> so are there any open source client?
[13:37] <frybye> I can copy it out of pastbin  40165 or???
[13:38] <frybye> soory - didnt sleep to well not all that fit today..
[13:38] <flaccid> SwK1: no idea, try ##windows
[13:38] <flaccid> frybye: yeah
[13:38] <frybye> tks
[13:40] <SwK1> thanks flaccid :)
[13:40] <flaccid> np
[13:43] <uic> hey all
[13:44] <uic> i already installed kubuntu on my desktop. i have a problem, my desktop is always empty. ( even i download extra files to it)
[13:44] <uic> when i look with dolphin or konqureror, i can show the files
[13:44] <uic> but, in desktop image, it's always empty
[13:44] <uic> any idea?
[13:44] <flaccid> !enter | uic
[13:45] <flaccid> uic: are you on kde4?
[13:45] <uic> flaccid, yep
[13:45] <flaccid> uic: wrong channel, see topic for right channel. p.s. thats how it is meant to be.
[13:54] <mcscruff> how do i show/hide plasma widgets (is there a way like osx)
[13:54] <flaccid> mcscruff: wrong channel for kde4, see topic for right channel
[13:55] <techbw> hi everyone,
[13:56] <techbw> is there anyone out there that knows how to setup ivtv tuner to work with either kdetv or mythtv...mythtv preferable
[14:00] <karin_> hi guys, one question, i downloaded a .deb file which should autoinstall itself when runned, it doesnt. maybe because i have an old kubuntu version, i dont want to upgrade because this version works too well and people who have hardy have lots of probs. i was wondering, is there a way to make this .deb file run and then autoinstall without upgrading the kubuntu version? thank you
[14:01] <flaccid> karin_: define autoinstall please
[14:01] <flaccid> because there is no such thing
[14:01] <techbw> if you right click on the deb file you will find an option to install....or you could run through consol
[14:02] <blackflag> !isdn
[14:02] <blackflag> !ppp
[14:02] <karin_> usually when you download a .deb file and you click on it, its installation starts and it does everything by itself
[14:02] <flaccid> techbw: oh thats not auto at all, thats manual using GDebi. you can report a bug or just install it with dpkg
[14:03] <karin_> techbw: thank you, i right click on it, selected "install" and it worked thank you
[14:03] <techbw> np
[14:03] <karin_> flaccid: it worked...
[14:03] <flaccid> karin_: yes but the default file association must be wrong which is why a bug report would help us all avoid it :)
[14:03] <karin_> and it is autoinstall since i didnt have to type anything like "make" or "make install" on any terminal...
[14:03] <techbw> obviously your setup does not have .deb linked to your dpkg or whatever
[14:04] <flaccid> you manually selected it for install. its not automatic at all
[14:05] <techbw> any mythtv users out there...or dvb-t users
[14:05] <karin_> well "automatic" like in windows flaccid, that you click on an installation file and it runs by itself without typing anything from the ms-dos prompt, was that clear?
[14:05] <vikku> hi all, i just installe the ubuntu-restricted pkg but iam still not able to play the mp3, wmv
[14:06] <techbw> run apt-get install xmms should install the required plugins
[14:06] <flaccid> karin_: i understand but in linux this is not classed as automatic :)
[14:06] <flaccid> !mp3 | vikku
[14:06] <techbw> what he meant was he did not how to get the installer to run
[14:07] <tsuna27> hi i am having trouble with emerald
[14:07] <flaccid> vikku: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3
[14:07] <vikku> okey
[14:07] <techbw> me too...don't worry....lol...seems to be bug...when I load theme it crashes
[14:07] <flaccid> i understood it all :)
[14:07] <tsuna27> every time i need to use the command emerald --replace
[14:08] <flaccid> !compiz | tsuna27
[14:08] <tsuna27> how do i make it do that on start up
[14:08] <flaccid> !autostart | tsuna27
[14:08] <karin_> anyway, im sure you understood, but you're probably really picky and want to be ultra precise
[14:08] <karin_> which is a good thing for an helper
[14:08] <flaccid> karin_: pretty much sorry ...
[14:08] <karin_> yes yes i understand, dont have to be sorry at all, you're right
[14:09] <flaccid> automatic is defined way more cooler in linux
[14:09] <flaccid> :O
[14:09] <techbw> being precise is sometimes helpfull to us noobs...as we get to learn :-)
[14:09] <flaccid> im still a noob
[14:09] <techbw> lol...not quite as noob as some others.
[14:09] <techbw> like me?
[14:09] <karin_> dont think so eheh
[14:10] <techbw> still learning every day, and hope to never stop
[14:10] <flaccid> im just straight to the point on irc here so i sound a bit anal
[14:10] <techbw> lol
[14:10] <techbw> flaccid: do you know anything about v4l and mythtv?
[14:11] <flaccid> negative, if i did i would of helped :)
[14:11] <flaccid> i just use tvtime for my card and yet to set up a server for mythtv so something i havnt got experience in
[14:11] <techbw> lol...that is the only complaint i have with linux....just the fact that getting these things to work.
[14:11] <flaccid> well its not supported like windows or mac by vendors, thats the problem
[14:12] <techbw> have not installed tvtime.  is it easy to setup?
[14:12] <flaccid> yeah its very easy and its good. there are a couple of 'initial config' bugs but yeah its good
[14:12] <techbw> yeah! I just wish vendors would give linux a break sometimes...The monopolising M$
[14:12] <karin_> in case i wanted to how do i upgrade my fesity to hardy?
[14:12] <flaccid> techbw: yeah they support what makes them money etc.
[14:12] <techbw> you have and good sites for help with setup?
[14:12] <flaccid> !upgrade | karin_
[14:13] <geek_> techbw: well quite a few vendors do ship linux systems now at least
[14:13] <flaccid> techbw: no im just referring to a bug in their packaging. its no big deal just about ownership of the config file. i can help you with that
[14:13] <flaccid> i don't see many or if any tv tuner cards being supported officialy by vendors :)
[14:13] <karin_> thank you
[14:13] <karin_> bye
[14:14] <flaccid> cia0
[14:15] <flaccid> and in the tv tuner support thing, i meant linux support..
[14:16]  * geek_ is sure there's a few, else mythtv wouldn't work ;p
[14:16] <stephen_> would love to have my tv card working on linux...seems to be much better interface once working.
[14:17] <stephen_> flaccid: is tv time in the repos? or build from source?
[14:18] <flaccid> well i aint seen one and a lot of linux hardware support is not by the vendor but rather the community heh
[14:18] <stephen_> answered that myself, in the repo
[14:18] <flaccid> !info tvtime
[14:18] <stephen_> busy installing now
[14:19] <flaccid> run it from konsole after install and see if you have errors <-- advised
[14:19] <stephen_> oh I already had it installed...problem it does not detect my tuner at /dev/video0 /dev/video23
[14:20] <stephen_> don't know why though
[14:20] <flaccid> stephen_: you just run it with the -d switch then to set the device
[14:21] <flaccid> hmm it does defaul to /dev/video0 so run it from konsole to see the problem
[14:24] <tsuna27> i want to do this http://www.howtoforge.com/mac4lin_make_linux_look_like_a_mac but the instruction r for gnome
[14:25] <tsuna27> will it still work for me
[14:25] <flaccid> tsuna27: join #ubuntu for help then
[14:26] <flaccid> so yeah, you need to use gnome
[14:27] <Dragonsshout> Hello people!
[14:27] <tsuna27> since i am using kde4 i cant do it right
[14:27] <tsuna27> so i need to remove kubuntu and install ubuntu
[14:28] <Dragonsshout> Do you have also problems with WIFI on kubuntu and Knetworkmanager?
[14:28] <lenstr> No
[14:29] <flaccid> tsuna27: you only have to install the package ubuntu-desktop to get gnome
[14:29] <flaccid> Dragonsshout: no.
[14:29] <flaccid> hehe
[14:30] <tsuna27> flaccid, how much space does that take up
[14:30] <tyfon> on intrepid the knetworkmanager is struggeling atm i think
[14:30] <lenstr> а чилаек молекла!
[14:30] <tyfon> doesn't work here at least
[14:30] <tyfon> for wifi
[14:30] <geek_> !ru > lenstr
[14:30] <geek_> well i assume its russian anyway
[14:31] <scifi> Hi guys,
[14:31] <flaccid> tsuna27: no idea
[14:31] <mcscruff> i think im gonna stick with hardy for a few years
[14:32] <flaccid> it works very well for most users, for the rest they should submit a bug ie. knetworkmanager
[14:32] <tyfon> hmm
[14:32] <flaccid> it will only get better if we identify the problems and address them :)
[14:32] <tyfon> i've tried on two diffrent laptops using 2 wifi cards on one and 1 on the other all diffrent.. neither work :p
[14:32] <tyfon> but i can file bugs
[14:33] <flaccid> doesn't sound like you know the reason why they didn't work. knetworkmanager is just a frontend to networkmanager and is here to stay for kubuntu
[14:33] <flaccid> don't blame the client until you can prove it ;)
[14:34] <scifi> yesterday i successfully installed kubuntu on my lappy and managed to get my wireless working. today i booted up and and kdewallet popped up and asked for my password, so i typed in the password that i had setup yesterday but it is not accepting it. I know its correct because i wrote it down. I managed to connect to the net by searching again for my wireless router and connecting without saving to the kdewallet. but i wud appreciate any hel
[14:34] <tyfon> it works using wpa_supplicant, but yes its networkmanager.. knetworkmanager sends the correct dbus message to get them going
[14:34] <tyfon> but then nothing happens :)
[14:34] <flaccid> submit a bug then
[14:36] <scifi> anyone else had this problem?
[14:36] <DexterF> hi
[14:36] <DexterF> network problem after moving from debian to kubuntu: network's up but I can't ping my server by name. resolv.conf looks ok.
[14:36] <blackflag> I have connectet my telephone-system. Driver is loaded but can not find the device /dev/.... how to find that out?
[14:37] <flaccid> DexterF: what error do you get?
[14:37] <DexterF> pinging IP is alright so it's a resolve issue, but where?
[14:37] <DexterF> flaccid: ping: unknown host xerxes
[14:37] <blackflag> trying also gnome-ppp and using detecting and its not found
[14:37] <blackflag> what is wrong?
[14:37] <flaccid> DexterF: what is the hostname of your server and how do you resolve it?
[14:38] <DexterF> flaccid: xerxes on domain citadel, what do you mean how?
[14:38] <flaccid> DexterF: is it dns or nmb or other?
[14:38] <flaccid> because this host is not in your dns
[14:40] <DexterF> flaccid: dns. got a m0n0wall router/firewall with dhcp which puts the two machines on fixed IPs by MAC, and that server is confed to announce its name
[14:40] <DexterF> plus it works fine from the same machine on debian
[14:40] <DexterF> with the same resolv.conf
[14:40] <flaccid> resolv.conf is not dns
[14:40] <flaccid> thats local resolution
[14:41] <flaccid> dhcp also has nothing to do with dns. do a host -v hostname on both machines and compare the difference. if the host is not in the dns forward zone then you are likely relying on nmb resolution which means samba and windows networking support eek
[14:42] <DexterF> flaccid: um.. host -v output is... really non-human readable...
[14:42] <DexterF> what should I look for?
[14:42] <flaccid> feel free to pastebin both on 1 pastebin and i'll check it out to see problem
[14:43] <flaccid> you should see 1. if they use the same dns server 2. if they return a result and what the difference is
[14:43] <DexterF> flaccid: oh hey, on the server it returns almost nothing, seems there's the prob.. moment...
[14:44] <DexterF> flaccid: http://pastebin.ca/1183457
[14:45] <DexterF> flaccid: 192.168.0.12 is the adress of said m0n0wall. so it asks it "who do you think xerxes is" and the wall replies: "no fscking idea", right?
[14:46] <overmaster> Hello. I'd like to know if there's a way to assign mouse wheel movements to gwenview's previous and next hotkeys. I don't know how
[14:46] <overmaster> Also, I'm using KDE 4.1, in case it's important
[14:48] <crime> hello
[14:50] <crime> can some one tell me how to make "resolv.conf" in the etc folder?
[14:51] <DexterF> flaccid: compared: http://pastebin.ca/1183461
[14:51] <DexterF> crime: "make"? should be there.
[14:52] <flaccid> overmaster: wrong chan see topic
[14:53] <flaccid> DexterF: the examples you gave are for 2 different hosts
[14:53] <crime> no its not there kppp says i should ask my admin to make it
[14:53] <DexterF> flaccid: and you wanted...?
[14:54] <crime> me
[14:54] <flaccid> DexterF: the same host for both. ie. the host that doesn't resolve
[14:55] <flaccid> crime: in konsole, sudo touch /etc/resolv.conf
[14:56] <crime> i wont to make a file called resolv.conf in the etc folder
[14:56] <crime> ok
[14:58] <DexterF> flaccid: from the machine that doesn't resolve or from here?
[14:58] <crime> ok its there now. Many THANKS
[14:58] <flaccid> DexterF: what is the actual hostname that doesn't resolve?
[14:58] <flaccid> crime: np
[14:58] <DexterF> flaccid: xerxes
[14:59] <DexterF> flaccid: I'm on a box called shodan
[14:59] <flaccid> so i on shodan you did host -v shodan but should of done host -v xerxes
[15:00] <DexterF> flaccid: http://rafb.net/p/ExIxcB61.html
[15:00] <DexterF> http://rafb.net/p/wd7ljt47.html
[15:00] <flaccid> DexterF: what OS is xerxes?
[15:01] <DexterF> flaccid: debian etch r4
[15:02] <flaccid>  so to me it looks like you do not have a local dns server serving this hostname with a forward zone or equiv
[15:03] <flaccid> 192.168.0.12 is m0n0wall?
[15:03] <DexterF> I already went there, too, only to get pissed off by a guy called wols who obviously didn't get his wiener up last night or so and needed to vent... on me..
[15:03] <DexterF> flaccid: yup, .12 is m0n0
[15:04] <flaccid> if you have no dns server, there will be no resolution unless you run nmbd on the machine or a different protocol for ns resolution
[15:04] <flaccid> so your behaviour seems normal
[15:04] <DexterF> flaccid: how come I can ping shodan by name *from* xerxes
[15:04] <DexterF> ?
[15:05] <flaccid> let me look
[15:05] <flaccid> how me that please
[15:05] <flaccid> show me that in a pastebin sorry
[15:05] <DexterF> ...and I just figured xerxes didn't lease an IP from the m0n0...
[15:05] <flaccid> forget about dhcp, has nothing to do with resolution besides the nameserver addresses it gives out which will be m0n0wall IP
[15:06] <DexterF> flaccid: http://rafb.net/p/AbAgf846.html
[15:09] <flaccid> what OS etc. is shodan?
[15:10] <DexterF> flaccid: till yesterday was debian etch, too, now kubuntu64b 8.04
[15:11] <DexterF> the old debian resolv.conf looks just the same. search citadel, nameserver ....12
[15:11] <flaccid> DexterF: on xerxes do nmblookup shodan and let me know
[15:11] <DexterF> querying shodan on 192.168.0.255 / name_query failed to find name shodan
[15:11] <flaccid> ok
[15:12] <flaccid> so what does /etc/resolv.conf look like on xerxes
[15:12] <helpp> hi guys i need some help overhere... i run feisty, was trying to set up my video card from system and settings, i pushed "try" and the screen its all blurry, im not able to see anything i also tried to reboot with recovery mode but nothing happens, please help, i dunno what to do, thank you
[15:12] <DexterF> flaccid: you said dhcp has nothing to with dns - from what I know *most* routers use dhcp hostname broadcasts to fill in on their local dns. don't know tho if m0n0 does
[15:13] <DexterF> flaccid: search citadel / nameserver 192.168.0.12. all the same.
[15:13] <flaccid> DexterF: the nameserver addresses are put in resolv.conf on unix systems from the dhcp server. both your hosts are you using the .12 for dns from that
[15:14] <DexterF> flaccid: which implies that m0n0 on 12 *is* a dns server?
[15:14] <flaccid> yeah
[15:14] <flaccid> DexterF: does nmblookup shodan.citadel return same?
[15:15] <flaccid> m0n0 is the dns server totally
[15:15] <DexterF> this moment I read that in the web interface of m0n0wall, too - DNS fwder enabled = dhcp data is put there and it acts as a dns server.
[15:16] <DexterF> which adds to my theory the problem is the missing dhcp lease. if it did that, it would have announced to .12
[15:16] <DexterF> shodan.citadel fails as well
[15:16] <flaccid> but you said nameserver 192.168.0.12 is in both client's resolv.conf
[15:16] <flaccid> compare cat /etc/nsswitch.conf | grep hosts on both machines
[15:17] <helpp> hey, noone can help??? plzzzz
[15:17] <DexterF> flaccid: yes, but is that file regenerated on each boot? I don't think so. guess it always was like that
[15:17] <blackflag> !usb ppp
[15:17] <DexterF> helpp: patience
[15:17] <blackflag> !usb
[15:17] <flaccid> DexterF: its static until changed by a dhcp server's lease which is what you are doing with the dhcp server
[15:17] <blackflag> !ppp
[15:17] <DexterF> helpp: more info. kub version, video card manufacturer, display type, steps you took so far
[15:18] <helpp> its kubuntu feisty, i dont know my video card the display is not an lcd
[15:19] <DexterF> helpp: you don't know the card...? does it say nvidia or ati when you start the box?
[15:19] <helpp> i was on systemsettings>monitordisplay> then i changed the gamma and click on "try"
[15:19] <flaccid> helpp: go to a tty by pressing ctrl+alt+f2, login then run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[15:19] <helpp> im from another pc now
[15:20] <flaccid> helpp: after that run sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[15:20] <helpp> im trying right now thank you flaccid
[15:20] <flaccid> k
[15:22] <flaccid> DexterF: anyway, what you need is a dns server for local resolution. does m0n0wall do this yet ? eg. bind9
[15:23] <DexterF> flaccid: I cant really tell. the info is confusing.
[15:24] <DexterF> flaccid: http://rafb.net/p/vq0JsH96.html
[15:24] <DexterF> dns fwd is enabled but there's no dns server in "general setup". neither of my boxes run bind but as we figured m0n0wall is a dns server
[15:25] <blackflag> I looked here to configure my telphone system: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/Setserial but I dont have ttyUSB* . USB- modules are loded. What is wrong? Can someone help?
[15:25] <flaccid> yes so you need an authoritive dns server for your local domain/hosts
[15:26] <DexterF> flaccid: like: set up bind on for example xerxes and tell m0n0wall to fwd there?
[15:26] <helpp> flaccid, thank you so much, i solve my problem !!!!!!
[15:26] <DexterF> can't figure tho why it worked so far
[15:26] <flaccid> helpp: coolio!
[15:26] <helpp> xDDD cya
[15:26] <flaccid> ci0
[15:26] <flaccid> cia0 even
[15:27] <DexterF> how does one force a re-lease again on debian-like systems..?
[15:28] <flaccid> DexterF: yeah so bind9 on a server. the dhcp server hands out that server's address as the dns server. that server dns forwards to your router or isp then. so it resolves the local domain and forwards for other addresses
[15:29] <flaccid> DexterF: depends on how the interface is configured in /etc/network/intefaces and if dhclient is resident
[15:30] <DexterF> flaccid: http://rafb.net/p/itXrR682.html
[15:31] <DexterF> guess the dhcp in line 11 is what I'm after, huh? looks good tho
[15:31] <flaccid> you sure the iface is eth2?
[15:32] <DexterF> uh huh
[15:32] <flaccid> DexterF: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[15:32] <DexterF> changed NICs around a bit and Bob knows why the only NIC is now eth2
[15:33] <yao_ziyuan> ﻿﻿my samsung dvd burner reads a cd well under windows but not under kubuntu 8.04+kde4.1. ﻿could this be a problem with the linux kernel version?
[15:33] <flaccid> ok
[15:34] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: wrong channel, see topic
[15:34] <DexterF> ah shoot, time..
[15:37] <blackflag> Where are now usb devices located under /dev/ ?I can not find under Hardy ttyUSB*. Can someone help?
[15:38] <geek_> what kinda USB devices?
[15:38]  * geek_ would think it depends
[15:38] <flaccid> blackflag: not sure maybe its /dev/usbdev
[15:39] <flaccid> sorry i meant /dev/bus/usb
[15:39] <flaccid> that should be your usb ports
[15:40] <flaccid> eg. /dev/bus/usb/001/001
[15:40] <gerard_> prout
[15:41] <blackflag> okay. I have an external usb telephone- system and I want to tell kppp which device it should use. How can I find that out?
[15:41] <flaccid> blackflag: what is the entry in lsusb?
[15:41] <blackflag> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 057c:2800 AVM GmbH ISDN-Connector TA
[15:42] <flaccid> so im not sure but that could be /dev/bus/usb/004/002
[15:43] <blackflag> okay, but there no way to give the path kppp
[15:44] <DexterF> flaccid: ok, I need to run, thanks for all your help and time
[15:44] <flaccid> np
[15:45] <blackflag> okay I set a link to /dev/modem. Now its say: modem is busy
[15:46] <flaccid> blackflag: pastebin ls /dev | grep -i usb
[15:46] <flaccid> what is your file /dev/modem
[15:47] <blackflag> http://paste.ubuntu.com/40188/
[15:48] <flaccid> dunno maybe you can use one of those 4.2 ones
[15:48] <blackflag> you mean seeting a link from taht to modem? okay, Ill try it
[15:49] <flaccid> just use it in the kppp config directly
[15:49] <flaccid> don't stuff around with /dev symlinks etc.
[15:51] <blackflag> okay Itried that Im getting  modem devices can not be open
[15:51] <blackflag> what should I try next?
[15:52] <flaccid> im afraid im out of ideas again
[15:52] <blackflag> so something ha changed in hardy?
[15:52] <flaccid> you had it working before?
[15:53] <hunter> Hi!
[15:53] <hunter> Hi! flaccid!
[15:54] <blackflag> yes, since some time a had an older 2.4 kernel build to get it running. With the new kernel its not necessary, The driver is loaded. Im not able to find out which divice I have to use now for communication with modem.
[15:55] <blackflag> an  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/Setserial    isnt any help!!
[15:57] <afeijo> hi group
[15:57] <afeijo> how to change sudo crontab editor from vi to nano?
[15:58] <flaccid> afeijo: for the current session in shell: export EDITOR=/usr/bin/nano
[16:00] <afeijo> hi flaccid, it will wont be permanent, right?
[16:01] <afeijo> it worked for what I need ATM, thanks for helping me again flaccid
[16:01] <flaccid> yeah not permanent
[16:02] <flaccid> im just trying to think of the right way to do it on ubuntu
[16:02] <flaccid> probably put in .bashrc
[16:02] <afeijo> it in a file in home dir, I changed that to my user
[16:02] <afeijo> yeah, .bashrc I think it is it
[16:03] <flaccid> afeijo: just can't remember if you put in ~/.bashrc or /root/.bashrc try them
[16:03] <flaccid> im off cyas
[16:03] <afeijo> I left su session, and returned, nano remain as crontab editor :)
[16:03] <afeijo> ttyl
[16:31] <administrator> !compiz
[16:32] <jeremie> how does this work?
[16:32] <jeremie> wtf is this?
[16:33] <jeremie> hello!?
[16:33] <jeremie> lol
[16:44] <ubuntu> SALUT,VORBESTE CINEVA SI ROMANESTE?
[16:45] <ROSSDA> SALUT,VORBESTE CINEVA SI ROMANESTE?
[16:45] <josa> !ro
[16:45] <ROSSDA> OK,MERCI
[16:50] <mtrinity> qui pe maide a install irc sous linux
[16:52] <bdizzle> mtrinity: frances?
[16:52] <bdizzle> #ubuntu-fr  , I believe
[16:52] <Dragonsshout> Hello people
[16:52] <bdizzle> hi Dragonsshout
[16:53] <pablopablovski1> hey all. is there a safe way to uninstall kde 4.1 without breaking dependancies on my existing 3.5.9 install? I've tried 4.1, and I'm not ready to move over yet.... thx
[16:55] <bdizzle> not sure
[16:55] <bdizzle> I didn't think you could downgrade like that
[16:57] <geek_> i don't think dependancies will be removed if you use apt
[16:58] <kev_> Hey, i have an issue running a game (enemy territory) and teamspeak at the same time, well, got them running at the same time, but only the app started 1st gets sound..searched, found some, but they didnt work, wondered if anyone here would know how to sort it. The error i get from the sound init section on the console is:
[16:58] <kev_> /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[16:58] <kev_> Could not open /dev/dsp
[17:00] <kev_> tbh if i can get this working ill probably do away with windows all together, since i play enemy territory in competition i need voip.
[17:00] <ActionParsnip> kev_: sup man?
[17:00] <kev_> [16:58] <kev_> Hey, i have an issue running a game (enemy territory) and teamspeak at the same time, well, got them running at the same time, but only the app started 1st gets sound..searched, found some, but they didnt work, wondered if anyone here would know how to sort it. The error i get from the sound init section on the console is:
[17:00] <kev_> [16:58] <kev_> /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[17:00] <kev_> [16:58] <kev_> Could not open /dev/dsp
[17:01] <ActionParsnip> kev_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-accessibility/2006-September/001130.html
[17:01] <concernedcitizen> are there any package out for kde-qt
[17:01] <concernedcitizen> i mean mozilla-qt
[17:04] <ActionParsnip> concernedcitizen: what do you mean?
[17:05] <concernedcitizen> firefox's qt port?
[17:05] <Dragonsshout> It's possible to install KDE 4.1 as an update from 3.5.9?
[17:06] <josa> i believe yes... but that's just my gut feeling ;)
[17:06] <ActionParsnip> Dragonsshout: indeed
[17:06] <josa> add the kubuntu-kde4-desktop repositories
[17:07] <josa> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1
[17:07] <Dragonsshout> who had kde 4.1?
[17:07] <Dragonsshout> thank's
[17:08] <jussi01> concernedcitizen: go find apachelogger - I think he has a working deb - it may be in his ppa also.
[17:11] <kev_> does this look like it supports 2 devices? : cat /proc/asound/pcm
[17:11] <kev_> 00-02: ALC883 Analog : ALC883 Analog : capture 1
[17:11] <kev_> 00-01: ALC883 Digital : ALC883 Digital : playback 1
[17:11] <kev_> 00-00: ALC883 Analog : ALC883 Analog : playback 1 : capture 1
[17:12] <ActionParsnip> kev_: dont flood
[17:12] <jussi01> !paste
[17:12] <ActionParsnip> kev_: use pastebin
[17:13] <kev_> will do
[17:18] <ActionParsnip> kev_: maybe theres a room for the game. Im no good at audio in stuff. Is the app configured to use the correct /dev ?
[17:18] <ActionParsnip> kev_: is the a /dev/dsp or whatever it was you said
[17:24] <DexterF> !dolphin
[17:24] <mherm> I'm trying Kubuntu Interpid Alpha 4 under VirtualBox, but I'm unable to boot from the disk, see http://paste.ubuntu.com/40202/ Suggestions anyone?
[17:25] <kev_> there device is there yeah, im working on it now
[17:25] <jussi01> mherm: #ubuntu+1 for intrepid help :)
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> mherm: intrepid isnt support here yet
[17:25] <mherm> ok
[17:26] <TomicBomb> yop :o
[17:28] <tsuna27> #ubuntu
[17:39] <florian> Is there a way to find out what files are accessed (like filemon in windows)?
[17:39] <miglo> hi all - does someone know how to create an icon on the desktop for shutting down the pc?
[17:40] <florian> miglo: think you should write a little script and put this to your desktop
[17:40] <jussi01> miglo: not sure about the desktop, but there is a panel applet you can add
[17:40] <smarty> is it possible to add a "Show Desktop" feature in KDE4? (as in kde3_
[17:40] <doodoohead> hello all
[17:40] <jussi01> smarty: #kubuntu-kde4 for kde4 support :)
[17:41] <smarty> gottcha
[17:41] <florian> miglo: a script containing something like "kdesu halt"
[17:41] <doodoohead> I am having a hell of a time installing 8.04, any way I cut it, the live cd freezes on boot at "install kubuntu"
[17:42] <doodoohead> any help would be appreciated
[17:43] <smarty> jussi - no one is answering over ther , do you know how to?
[17:43] <Fargh_> hi
[17:43] <miglo> thanks - found the applet now for which I was looking for  :-)
[17:43] <NthDegree> zchef2k: you sure it isn't down to a lack of support to choose install kubuntu?
[17:44] <NthDegree> You need Legacy USB Mode enabled on the CMOS Setup Utility (BIOS) if you have a USB keyboard
[17:44] <sysadmin> hello my laptop went into suspend mode, now i can't start the system up because it won't let me decrypt the fs
[17:44] <NthDegree> or if that is of no luck, go grab the Alternate CD
[17:45] <Fargh_> got a small problem.  I have external USB drives.  They are not mounted when I log in.  I have to unplug then plug them back in before they are recognized.
[17:45] <NthDegree> sysadmin: reformat the swap partition
[17:45] <NthDegree> use a LiveCD to do this
[17:45] <sysadmin> swap is encrypted
[17:45] <zchef2k> NthDegree: thanks, but unfortunately I 've got one of those dang UEFI BIOS's that doesnt let you select anything...I'll try the alternate
[17:46] <kev_> Hey, how do i stop artsd and make it stay stoppped? :D
[17:46] <NthDegree> sysadmin: wipe out the swap partition and recreate it then
[17:46] <NthDegree> kev_: easy, turn it off on the KDE settings
[17:46] <NthDegree> K Menu > System Settings > Sound System
[17:46] <kev_> Using Gnome, sorry :o
[17:46] <NthDegree> Uncheck "Enable the sound system"
[17:48] <Fargh_> got a small problem.  I have external USB drives.  They are not mounted when I log in.  I have to unplug then plug them back in before they are recognized.
[17:48] <Fargh_> :)
[17:49] <NthDegree> Fargh: edit /etc/fstab
[17:49] <NthDegree> add a set of lines for them =]
[17:49] <NthDegree> then it can be mounted on boot
[17:49] <sysadmin> NthDegree: there isn't a boot option to say resume=no ?
[17:50] <miglo> florian: do you wants to know if the file/dir has been modified or which process has accessed it?
[17:50] <NthDegree> sysadmin: I don't know of any for that, I don't have a laptop I just know the basics of how it resumes
[17:51] <Fargh_> NthDegree: where can I get the info to put in fstab ?
[17:51] <florian> miglo: both would be the best, but knowing the process should be enough
[17:52] <sysadmin> thanks ill just blat the swap
[17:52] <NthDegree> Fargh: you need to know the device file it uses and pick a place to mount to
[17:52] <miglo> florian: hm, I remember that the "watch" command used with option "-d" makes it possible to monitor for file/directory changes
[17:52] <NthDegree> and the filesystem it uses
[17:53] <NthDegree> the only hard part is knowing the device file
[17:53] <miglo> florian: there are a couple of examples in the man pages
[17:53] <NthDegree> my advice is look at dmesg @ Fargh
[17:53] <NthDegree> when you plug it in and unplug it
[17:54] <NthDegree> it may give you a clue as to the device file
[17:54] <NthDegree> but the rest is easy
[17:54] <NthDegree> mkdir /mnt/whatevernameilike
[17:54] <NthDegree> then nano /etc/fstab
[17:54] <NthDegree> and add a line like
[17:54] <florian> miglo: Thank you, looks interesting
[17:55] <NthDegree> /dev/nameofdevicefile /mnt/whatevernameilike auto defaults 0 0
[17:59] <Fargh_> /dev/sdc1	/media/My Book	auto	defaults	0	0
[17:59] <Fargh_> that ?
[18:00] <miglo> florian: "lsof" - list open files could also be interesting for you
[18:04] <Fargh_> hmm .. i need to make it readonly first
[18:05] <richa> hi
[18:11] <olivier> bonjour
[18:11] <jussi01> !fr
[18:12] <olivier> ok
[18:12] <jussi01> olivier: feel free to ask your question in enlish here tohugh :)
[18:17] <rexx> hi all!
[18:17] <rexx> having some  problems with cups in kubuntu 8.04
[18:18] <rexx> trying to run kdesu kprinter or system settings-> printing -> administrator mode I get Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: /var/run/cups/cups.sock: read failed (14).
[18:19] <rexx> is there a way to reconfigure cups ?
[18:24] <Fargh_> NthDegree: thank you very much !
[18:24] <NthDegree> Fargh: I guess you did it =]
[18:25] <NthDegree> Well done ^^
[18:25] <NthDegree> Now if HAL ever breaks you can sort any drives that disappear
[18:25] <NthDegree> (similar procedure for that too)
[18:25] <Fargh_> sudo fdisk -l reveals most information :)
[18:30] <shadowhywind> hay all, install kubuntu onto an external hdd and want to install grub to it, any ideas on how?
[18:40] <drkguy> Hi
[18:41] <steven_> hello
[18:41] <steven_> just downloaded Konversation
[18:41] <drkguy> Is KDE4 final on ubuntu's repos?
[18:41] <drkguy> Or is it the beta?
[18:41] <s_Even> i believe it is final
[18:41] <s_Even> not sure
[18:41] <s_Even> i use xfce
[18:41] <drkguy> Xfce is a lil bit lame
[18:41] <drkguy> although it's really light
[18:41] <s_Even> no, i lik eit ^^
[18:42] <drkguy> lol
[18:42] <s_Even> Actually i don't like KDE
[18:42] <ulusoy> slm.
[18:42] <drkguy> Then y are you here?
[18:42] <s_Even> to much lay-out
[18:42] <s_Even> to slow :p
[18:42]  * _2 uses blackbox when he uses a gui
[18:42] <drkguy> s_Even: My machine's performance is not affected by KDE
[18:42] <s_Even> 'cause conversations default channel is this one ^^
[18:42] <drkguy> s_Even: Thanks to my dual-channel 2G RAM setup
[18:43] <s_Even> lol
[18:43] <drkguy> :D
[18:43] <s_Even> i have a 512
[18:43] <s_Even> ram
[18:43] <drkguy> O.o
[18:43] <s_Even> notebook of dell
[18:43] <drkguy> That's pretty low
[18:43] <s_Even> it is ^^
[18:43] <drkguy> lol
[18:43]  * drkguy doesn't have a swap
[18:43] <_2> drkguy kde doesn't need 2g ram.  i ran kde 3.5 on a p1 with 64m ram for a while.
[18:44] <drkguy> _2: dude, i mostly use my comp for gaming, that's why i need 2G Ram
[18:44] <drkguy> Hehehehe
[18:44] <_2> oh and that ^ wihtout swap.
[18:45] <drkguy> The best QT App: Amarok
[18:45] <drkguy> Hehehe
[18:45] <s_Even> true
[18:45] <_2> i just saying that mentioning how much ram you have in a line about kde not bogging down is like saying the sky is blue because i have a hangnail
[18:45] <s_Even> lol
[18:45] <drkguy> lol
[18:46] <drkguy> _2: dude, i have a good sempron processor, ram is not the crucial fact
[18:46] <_2> ram is not an issue at all.  fsb and cpu are the issues.
[18:46] <Eruaran> hi guys
[18:47] <Eruaran> I heard a rumor that canonical was dropping support for kubuntu, is this true ?
[18:47] <drkguy> _2: Yeah
[18:47] <s_Even> hope not...
[18:47] <drkguy> Eruaran: I don't think so
[18:47] <Eruaran> ok
[18:47] <drkguy> Eruaran: *ubuntu are the most important canonical projects
[18:48] <drkguy> xubuntu, edubuntu, ubuntu, kubuntu and gobuntu
[18:48] <Eruaran> Cause I was thinking I might have to look for another distro :(
[18:48] <_2> Eruaran if so the site should tell you   http://www.ubuntu.org    kubuntu.org ...
[18:48] <drkguy> Eruaran: you should NOT look at the side of gentoo/slackware
[18:48] <drkguy> and that kind
[18:49] <Eruaran> slackware scares me a bit
[18:49] <drkguy> Eruaran: then you won't even like gentoo
[18:49] <White_Pelican> I used it years ago
[18:49] <White_Pelican> I just switched from gentoo to kubuntu
[18:49] <Eruaran> I've been happily using Kubuntu since 2005
[18:50] <Eruaran> I tried opensuse the other day...
[18:50] <White_Pelican> I believe in Mark Shuttleworth's credo - itr should just work
[18:50] <Eruaran> I still don't like it
[18:50] <drkguy> White_Pelican: I used gentoo last days, 6 hours to install KDE
[18:50] <drkguy> lol
[18:50] <White_Pelican> I would never use opensuse
[18:50] <sourcemaker> are there java bindings for kde?
[18:50] <Eruaran> they had a kde4 desktop but they renamed stuff
[18:50] <drkguy> what's up with SuSe?
[18:51] <Eruaran> So 'system settings' isn't system settings...
[18:51] <White_Pelican> they are novell and novel sold out years ago to microstink
[18:51] <SeySayux> sourcemaker: yes i think so
[18:51] <Eruaran> Its something else that I cant remember the name of
[18:51] <Eruaran> it was just annoying
[18:51] <Eruaran> and yast was meh
[18:51] <White_Pelican> what version of kde Eruaran ?
[18:51] <drkguy> White_Pelican: lol
[18:51] <_2> i have used redhat 7,8,9 mandrake 9,10 slackware 4,5(non-release release) debian etch debian/dsl *ubuntu 5.4,6.6   and it seems to be that  linux is linux is linux...
[18:51] <sourcemaker> SeySayux: so I can develop kde applications based on java or is there no really support for that... propertly I should learn C++
[18:52] <s_Even> don't sourcemaker!
[18:52] <Eruaran> White_Pelican: well it was 11.0 so admittedly they were still on 4.0.x
[18:52] <s_Even> learn java ;)
[18:52] <drkguy> White_Pelican: novell is lame, the only think we should thank them is compiz
[18:52] <SeySayux> sourcemaker: yes it's indeed best to learn c++ as there is not much java documentation at all... but normally it shout work
[18:52] <White_Pelican> oh ok
[18:52] <s_Even> cross-platform :p
[18:52] <White_Pelican> I have to stry to remember the name of it
[18:52] <Eruaran> I tried installing kde on windows the other day
[18:52] <SeySayux> s_Even: cross-platform + KDE?
[18:52] <White_Pelican> I know it's not kde control center anymore
[18:52] <drkguy> Eruaran: success?
[18:52] <Eruaran> it didn't quite work properly
[18:52] <_2> sourcemaker a lot of kde stuff is writen is python
[18:52] <Eruaran> dolphin ran though
[18:52] <Eruaran> :p
[18:52] <s_Even> @Eruaran: lol
[18:53] <White_Pelican> as far as I'm concerned, kde 4 is not ready yet
[18:53] <drkguy> Eruaran: but it worked, right?
[18:53] <White_Pelican> maybe with 4.2
[18:53] <Eruaran> drkguy: yes
[18:53] <sourcemaker> _2:   cool... so as java expert... it is propertly a nice challange for me... to lern c++ and qt ;-)
[18:53] <Eruaran> drkguy: the only reason was becuase I wanted K3b on my workstation at work
[18:53] <drkguy> Eruaran: Maybe i'll give it a try
[18:53] <Eruaran> :p
[18:53] <s_Even> but i should go
[18:53] <drkguy> Who Said NeroLinux?
[18:53] <drkguy> XD
[18:53] <Eruaran> drkguy: I tried a reinstall but that seemed to foul things up a bit
[18:54] <drkguy> BRB
[18:55] <sourcemaker> _2: can you give me an example... which kde application is written in python?
[18:56] <aaron1> hi
[18:56] <aaron1> i have a question, is there a suse like menu available for kubuntu?
[18:57] <_2> sourcemaker oh kdeink2desktop for example
[18:58] <sourcemaker> _2: ok
[18:58] <_2> k3b uses python
[18:59] <sourcemaker> _2: the complete user interface?
[18:59] <White_Pelican> aaron1, I believe the opensuse kde menu is very similar if not an exact copy of kubuntu's kde 4 menu
[18:59] <_2> sourcemaker no, not writen in but uses
[19:00] <_2> sourcemaker i probably should have worded it differently.  i think most of the things that are "writen in" python are more sub/applets that the kde system uses.
[19:01] <_2> not major applications
[19:01] <sourcemaker> _2: ok... nice to know
[19:02] <_2> sourcemaker if jucato is in #kubuntu-kde4 he would be a good one to talk to about this.   he's part of the kde team and a kubuntu developer
[19:04] <Nyad> hi. can some people run this command and tell me if their cpu temp is near that value $ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature    coz mine gives a constant value of 40 when I know that it's really 48 degrees celcius
[19:04] <Lalo2> Hi! I need some help... my kubuntu freezes!!
[19:04] <Nyad> my friend's says 14 which is ludicrous
[19:04] <_2> Nyad no therm sensor here.
[19:06] <Nyad> Lalo2, what more can you tell us?
[19:06] <aaron1> kde 4 menu looks like opensuse's ?
[19:06] <aaron1> hmm i didn't know that
[19:07] <_2> Nyad i wrote http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d14a7f1c7 but like i said this box doesn't have a therm sensor
[19:11] <_2> looks like that script calls a function that most boxen wont have.  so it's probably not very useful in the wild.
[19:12] <Dragon_Master> I need some help with enabling java on firefox
[19:12] <Nyad> _2, I get this error http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d5c5e7910
[19:13] <dakota> hola buenas
[19:15] <_2> !es
[19:15] <_2> !pr
[19:15] <_2> !br
[19:15] <Nyad> _2, did you get my last message?
[19:16] <_2> Nyad looking
[19:17] <coreymon77> Dragon_Master: whats the matter with java on firefox?
[19:17] <_2> Nyad yes that's what i was talking about  ^  function you don't have.  one could delete the line with the C-F in it
[19:17] <Dragon_Master> I've made the symbolic link
[19:17] <Dragon_Master> but its not detecting java
[19:18] <Nyad> _2, it gives me the same incorrect value of 40
[19:18] <_2> Nyad or i could add the function to the script...    i didn't really write it to be portable...
[19:18] <_2> Nyad hmmm  and you know that the value is wrong ?
[19:18] <coreymon77> Dragon_Master: give me a sec
[19:19] <Nyad> yup. my cpu is at 48. if I reboot into bios quick I can find the temp of 48
[19:19] <Nyad> plus I had a friend in the same room as me and his said his temp was 14
[19:20] <_2> Nyad heh without a thermal chip that would be impossable...    short of using ice water anyway.
[19:21] <Nyad> yup :)
[19:21] <Nyad> you think it may be a bug?
[19:21] <coreymon77> Dragon_Master: so, you installed in properly
[19:21] <_2> Nyad what do you get from lm_sensors --> sensors_detect
[19:21] <coreymon77> Dragon_Master: it
[19:22] <Dragon_Master> yes
[19:22] <coreymon77> Dragon_Master: which one, sun java?
[19:22] <Dragon_Master> yea
[19:22] <_2> sorry Nyad that's dash rather than underscore
[19:22] <Nyad> _2, it wants me to install some kernel modules when I run sensors which tells me to run sensors-detect but from there I'm lost...
[19:23] <Nyad> I ran it
[19:23] <Nyad> but...
[19:23] <coreymon77> Dragon_Master: you done the update alternatives yet?
[19:23] <Dragon_Master> yea
[19:24] <_2> Nyad usually the defaults will work... "worth a try"   then see what it says.
[19:24] <_2> Nyad cause i'm "guessing" that you didn't actually have support for your sensors is the reason they didn't change any.
[19:25] <_2> but that is a guess   ^
[19:25] <coreymon77> Dragon_Master: so you have run the sudo update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun command?
[19:25] <Nyad> when I run sensors it says 43
[19:26] <_2> that sounds more like right.    put a heavy load on it for a few seconds and check it again.
[19:26] <Dragon_Master> not that one
[19:26] <Nyad> ok
[19:26] <Dragon_Master> No alternatives for xulrunner-addons-javaplugin.so.
[19:26] <_2> btw shutdown is cpu intense  so it read a little high on a reboot.
[19:26] <coreymon77> Dragon_Master: run this
[19:27] <coreymon77> java -version
[19:27] <Dragon_Master> java version "1.6.0_06"
[19:27] <Dragon_Master> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_06-b02)
[19:27] <Dragon_Master> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 10.0-b22, mixed mode, sharing)
[19:28] <coreymon77> Dragon_Master: okay then
[19:28] <coreymon77> Dragon_Master: run sudo update-alternatives --config java
[19:28] <coreymon77> then make sure you choose the sun java version you installed
[19:29] <Dragon_Master> There is only 1 program which provides java
[19:29] <Dragon_Master> (/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java). Nothing to configure.
[19:29] <coreymon77> okay
[19:29] <coreymon77> now do the symbolic link thing for firefox
[19:30] <smarty> anyone know why i cant add more desktops? im only limited to 2... i tried adding 4 (total) but it just reverts back to 2
[19:31] <coreymon77> Dragon_Master: btw, firefox should be completely shut down when doing this
[19:31] <_2> shutdown firefox ?
[19:31] <_2> :)))
[19:31] <djdarkman> smarty: right click pager on your panel (the desktop preview applet) and select Configure Desktops
[19:32] <Dragon_Master> whats the command for deleting a symbolic link and creating one =P I was using a guide
[19:32] <coreymon77> Dragon_Master: just go to the directory you made the link in with konqueror or something like that and delete it
[19:32] <smarty> djdark: i tried to add more, but it goes back to 2 after i hit apply
[19:32] <_2> Dragon_Master rm /path/to/link.name   ln -s inode linkename
[19:33]  * djdarkman is drinking cofee to regain his suppernatural programming skills
[19:33] <djdarkman> smarty: do you have compiz or something else like it?
[19:34] <smarty> dj : i think i do
[19:34] <_2> !compiz
[19:34] <_2> !kde4
[19:34] <smarty> yes i do
[19:34] <djdarkman> smarty: if you use compiz, then you have to configure it in compiz, that's your problem
[19:34] <smarty> ahhh... i fell like an idiot
[19:34] <smarty> thanks
[19:35] <_2> youre welcome.   we're always glad to impart that feeling :)))
[19:35] <djdarkman> smarty: took me too a while too to find it :D
[19:36] <smarty> haha. atleast you did find it, and i thank you for that :D
[19:36] <Nyad> _2, x-crashed but my temp is now 38
[19:36] <Nyad> which is great :)
[19:36] <_2> Nyad k  you all good then ?
[19:37] <_2> or do we know how you crashed x ?
[19:38] <Nyad> it's all good. but it still seems that the file in proc is wrong which I think means there's a bug in linux or else just ubuntu
[19:38] <coreymon77> wow, everyone having big problems today
[19:38] <coreymon77> talking to someone in another channel who managed a kernel panic
[19:38] <_2> Nyad by all means "file it"
[19:38] <_2> !bug | Nyad
[19:39] <Nyad> _2, will do
[19:40] <_2> coreymon77 kernel panic is common on the upgrade it seems    was theres an upgrade ?
[19:40]  * djdarkman 's big problem is that, it's sunday, sadly that's  beyond repair
[19:40] <coreymon77> _2: not on linux
[19:40] <coreymon77> _2: this is on the mac channel
[19:40] <djdarkman> lol
[19:40] <_2> oh!
[19:41] <coreymon77> getting osx to kernel panic is not easy
[19:41] <coreymon77> you actually have to try
[19:41] <_2> djdarkman not beyond repair...  but the fix will probably take a few hours of hard work....
[19:41] <djdarkman> _2: can't wait for the patch :D
[19:42] <_2> it'll be here tomarrow i hear   lol
[19:42] <djdarkman> coreymon77: it's because osx is built for a limited number of hardware
[19:43] <coreymon77> djdarkman: true, hence why it is hard
[19:43] <_2> hmmm delete it's libC and the kernel will panic
[19:43] <coreymon77> djdarkman: getting osx to kernel panic is quite a feat
[19:45] <_2> if it can be broken, i can break it.  i have even cracked open ball bearings to see what was in them...
[19:45]  * djdarkman thinks getting linux to kernel panic on hardware that Linus Torvalds uses is quite hard work too :D
[19:45] <_2> linus who ?
[19:46] <djdarkman> _2: don't tell me I've misspelled his name
[19:46] <coreymon77>  /facepalm
[19:46] <_2> :)))
[19:47] <_2> no it was a joke.    i can't spell my own name so i'm not about to correct others.
[19:47] <djdarkman> well wikipedia says I`m correct http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds
[19:48] <_2> any time someone mentions linus or stalman or ...   i might say    who ?     just to see what the reaction is.
[19:48] <djdarkman> _2: a lot of people use linux not knowing these two guys
[19:48] <_2> yeah.
[19:49] <djdarkman> basicly they are partialy right, if you buy a car you don't realy care who designed it's motor
[19:49] <_2> and most of them are found in #ubuntu  at some point in time.
[19:50] <_2> that channel has more   "where's my C:"   than i can do anything with.
[19:52] <coreymon77> meh, lunch time
[19:52] <_2> i mean i'm pretty new to the whole linux/opensourse thing but some of the questions are not even fit for ##windows  let alone a linux help channel
[19:53] <djdarkman> _2: some people like gnome, and most of them are not power users, but not understanding your computer is a platform independant bug
[19:53] <coreymon77> djdarkman: hence why windows will never be bug free
[19:53] <coreymon77> lol
[19:54] <_2> djdarkman yeah.    ^   that.
[19:54] <coreymon77> now its definitely lunch time
[19:54] <djdarkman> coreymon77: the problem is not Windows, KDE or GNOME, the problem is that some people want computers to read their mind
[19:55] <coreymon77> djdarkman: didnt i just finish saying lunch tim
[19:55] <coreymon77> e
[19:55] <Eruaran> all mono stuff now uninstalled
[19:56] <djdarkman> Eruaran: don't like mono? :)
[19:57] <_2> djdarkman this is way off topic and i'll take full responsability for it,  seeing that i did kinda start it.   but; and why is it that someone thinks they want that croud to switch from windarz to linux ???    is beyond me.     if they want their computer to "just do it, just work, just read my mind"   why do "they" want them to switch from windows to linux     don't tell me we need more of them using linux so it will grow...
[19:58] <Eruaran> djdarkman: no
[19:58] <Eruaran> djdarkman: It was an accident it got installed in the first place
[19:58] <Eruaran> djdarkman: I installed something not realising it was mono dependant
[19:59] <Eruaran> till I saw all those monolibs appearing
[19:59] <_2> i'm like   but isn't that what actually stunted windows growth.   idiot frendly means unusable to the rest of us.
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[19:59] <Eruaran> I think I screamed like Flanders
[20:00] <djdarkman> _2: some people just can't realise the difference between user friendly and idiot friendly
[20:00] <_2> djdarkman ah  you know i think you really put your fingure on it there.
[20:01] <_2> finger
[20:01] <djdarkman> _2: I have much experiance on this topic :)
[20:01] <_2> djdarkman :)
[20:02] <Eruaran> My mother likes linux better than windows
[20:02] <_2> mine did too while she lived.
[20:02] <White_Pelican> I like your mom :)
[20:02] <Eruaran> My mother likes Dragon Player
[20:03] <Eruaran> And hates Windows media player
[20:03] <Eruaran> Thats the whole decision for her
[20:03] <White_Pelican> she has good taste Eruaran
[20:03] <White_Pelican> :)
[20:04] <White_Pelican> it's why I call it winblows
[20:04] <White_Pelican> :)
[20:04] <djdarkman> <offtopic meta="noindex,nofollow">back 4-6 years I was considered a shaman because I've had a computer and known "secret" ways to make windows work</offtopic>
[20:05] <_2> lol
[20:06] <_2> well   if no one is going to break anything, just to give us something to do.   then i'm off to supper
[20:07] <White_Pelican> it should just work :)
[20:14] <tony_> anyone know why mythtv wouldn't show up in the repos?
[20:14] <_2> !info mythtv
[20:14] <_2> you don't have multivers enabled
[20:15] <_2> e
[20:20] <_2> anyone know a good sourses.list for "debian" stable ?
[20:21] <m_tadeu> hi
[20:21] <m_tadeu> how stable is interpid?
[20:21] <_2> alpha
[20:21] <tony_> my /etc/sources.list has nothing
[20:22] <djdarkman> m_tadeu: if you are not a developer, who like fixing broken things, don't use it!
[20:22] <_2> tony_ it's /etc/apt/so*
[20:23] <tony_> thanks
[20:26] <_2> !tab | tony_  ffr this wlll help you on things like that
[20:29] <tony_> it's still not finding it
[20:30] <tony_> nm, it's just that one app
[20:30] <m_tadeu> djdarkman: got it ;)
[20:30] <_2> any changes in /etc/apt/sources.list must be followed by an apt-get update   or the equevilant in what ever dpkg frontend you use.
[20:31] <_2> i.e.  you must fetch the packages list files from the repo you added.
[21:04] <Boris85> Guten Abend, kennt jemand ein gutes wiki um den bootsplash bei kubuntu zu ändern? möglichst nicht von ubuntuusers, die seite ist ja down. Danke
[21:05] <engineer> !de
[21:05] <_2> !splash
[21:05] <Boris85> thx
[21:06] <_2> denada
[21:16] <buckethead> How do you know the different ! commands? Is there a master list, or are you that good?
[21:16] <coreymon77> buckethead: who are you talking to
[21:16] <engineer> in the console
[21:16] <engineer> hit tab
[21:16] <_2> buckethead yes  :)
[21:16] <buckethead> I meant the commands to the bot.
[21:16] <engineer> ah
[21:16] <neptunepink> There's a URL somewhere
[21:17] <_2> there is a list   and no i don't look at it.
[21:17] <coreymon77> buckethead: well, most of them just make sense
[21:17] <neptunepink> !botabuse
[21:17] <engineer> !commands
[21:17] <neptunepink> hmm, that's not it. Oh well. ^_^
[21:17] <coreymon77> buckethead: usually you just type ![whatever you want] and that normally works
[21:17] <buckethead> !madlinuxskills
[21:17] <buckethead> That makes two of us, bot boy.
[21:18] <_2> someone care to test this for me.  i'd like to know if it's portable.  other linux distros prefered but newer ubuntu needs tested too
[21:18] <_2> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d88bc75f
[21:18] <Nyad> hi. I just installed kubuntu-kde4-desktop but it seems to have installed kde4.0.3
[21:19] <Nyad> instead of kde4.1
[21:19] <_2> !kde4
[21:21] <_2> and is it too slow ?    i hope that using find on /proc doesn't bog down.
[21:21] <_2> bogg
[21:23] <buckethead> Hmm. I got a pair of 'temp missings'. Its possible my A7V doesn't have temp sensors, but I would expect my toshiba lappy to have something..
[21:24] <_2> buckethead ok i will go back and work on it some more.
[21:25] <_2> thanks for the input.
[21:30] <miltonjohn> hi
[21:30] <Nyad> hi
[21:30] <miltonjohn> hi how can i choose the rootpartition to install grub on it instead of mbr when i try to install kubuntu
[21:31] <Nyad> when you reach the end of the installer it allows you to pick where to install grub when you click on advanced optioons
[21:33] <miltonjohn> sure i know that i can choose wich hd but not partition
[21:34] <neptunepink> ahh, how do you say germany in country code?
[21:34] <neptunepink> whoops, -= that
[21:34] <_2> !de
[21:34] <miltonjohn> postleitzahl
[21:34] <miltonjohn> maybe?
[21:35] <Nyad> miltonjohn, yes
[21:35] <Nyad> it means postal code
[21:35] <_2> miltonjohn there should be an option durring the install process.
[21:36] <_2> miltonjohn unless it has greatly changed you can select the partition as well as the drive
[21:36] <miltonjohn> for kubuntu 08.04
[21:36] <miltonjohn> ?
[21:36] <_2> miltonjohn if you need that option and don't have it.  don't install grub and then manually install it from the same cd
[21:36] <_2> !grub | miltonjohn
[21:37] <miltonjohn> grub-install by terminal thanks
[21:37] <_2> welcome
[21:37] <_2> buckethead one more time   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d5f92b00e  if you don't mind
[21:39] <aaron1> does compiz come preinstall on kubuntu?
[21:39] <_2> no
[21:39] <_2> !compiz
[21:39] <buckethead> One sec _2.
[21:39] <_2> !kde4 | aaron1
[21:40] <_2> you might prefer the effects in kde4     just a thought
[21:40] <aaron1> so i have to install kde 4.1 & compiz
[21:41] <_2> no
[21:41] <_2> i was offering an alternative
[21:41] <aaron1> oh
[21:41] <aaron1> i was going to install kde 4.1
[21:42] <buckethead> 4.1 is more fun than compiz, imho.
[21:42] <aaron1> ??
[21:42] <_2> it has three dee crap built in   so you may like that.
[21:42] <aaron1> i thought compiz was graphic effects
[21:42] <shadowhywind> hay all I just installed kde4.1 (intreped) when i try to open adept i get kapture::PkgSystem::PkgSystem()  KCrash: Application 'adept_manager' crashing... KCrash cannot reach kdeinit, launching directly.   any ideas?
[21:42] <_2> i thought kde4 was too
[21:43] <_2> shadowhywind wrong channel
[21:43] <shadowhywind> oh poo!!!
[21:43] <_2> !intrepid
[21:43] <shadowhywind> I joined the kde4 channel.. but didn't switch tabs.. hehe
[21:43] <_2> :)
[21:43] <aaron1> mayve i should wait until oct
[21:44] <shadowhywind> saw you guys talking bout 4.1 and didn't bother to double check (hehe)
[21:44] <aaron1> before installing kubuntu that way i won't have any problems installing kde4
[21:44] <buckethead> aaron1: Kde 4.1 has graphic toys too.
[21:45] <aaron1> had lil experience with debian back in 2003 last time i tried linux
[21:45] <_2> aaron1 maybe you are not yet familear with the quote "Q. what do linux users do?  A. they install software."   ;/
[21:45] <_2> there is a reason that is funny,
[21:45] <aaron1> lol i'm just scared i might destoy my install
[21:45] <_2> there is also a reason it's not....
[21:46]  * _2 used to say.   "i reload twice a week, whether i need to or not..."    :)
[21:47] <miltonjohn> bb
[21:48] <LoCaLMaChIn1> anyone know what is wrong with the ubuntu channel
[21:48] <_2> i installed this particular system july 05 and in june 06 upgraded   been using it ever sense
[21:48] <_2> LoCaLMaChIn1 something wrong with it ?
[21:49] <_2> LoCaLMaChIn1 other than the overload of "where's my C:"  i mean ?
[21:49] <LoCaLMaChIn1> yeah its like freezing when I try to swtich it freezes
[21:50] <_2> hmmm i'd watch the network for intruders for a bit.   check logs maybe.   it may be someone testing their skills as a blackhat ;/
[21:50] <LoCaLMaChIn1> I type in #ubuntu then it acts like it is going to open then freezes
[21:50] <LoCaLMaChIn1> a black hat
[21:51] <_2> as opposed to a whitehat
[21:51] <LoCaLMaChIn1> 2 whats a blackhat sorry sort of a newbie
[21:53] <LoCaLMaChIn1> and why am I being prevented from logging into the ubuntu channel
[21:53] <_2> ever watch any old western movies ?   the men with black hats were always the vilian and the guy with the white hat the "good guy"     from that tradition the hacking world developed two branches of network cracking experts    white and black hats.  go figure.
[21:53] <LoCaLMaChIn1> so you think the black hat are screwing with me
[21:54] <coreymon77> LoCaLMaChIn1: maybe you were banned?
[21:54] <bdizzle> hi
[21:54] <bdizzle> out of curiosity, how would I go about viewing all computers on the network I am connected to?
[21:54] <_2> i'm neither.  but i'm smart enough to know if i wanted to find 'newbeez' to test my skills on,   #ubuntu would be the best place in the world to idle
[21:55] <_2> bdizzle you mean just to find them ?    nmapfe
[21:55] <bdizzle> and then create a second connection to that computer on top of the current connection to the internet
[21:55] <coreymon77> LoCaLMaChIn1: do you get anything saying that you were banned when you try and join?
[21:55] <LoCaLMaChIn1> but why would I be banned I don't even go in that channel
[21:55] <bdizzle> command not found
[21:55] <coreymon77> i dunno
[21:55] <LoCaLMaChIn1> no just freezes
[21:55] <coreymon77> if you dont go into that channel, why does it matter
[21:55] <coreymon77> this channel is better anyways
[21:56] <coreymon77> :P
[21:56] <LoCaLMaChIn1> my buddies list freezes and the main chat window
[21:56] <_2> LoCaLMaChIn1 are you banned ?   if so the server window will have a message explaining that.
[21:56] <bdizzle> basically, I have to connect to my campus network for wireless internet access, but I also want to try to connect over the network to my desktop to access / modify / add / delete files from it without physically being in the room
[21:56] <LoCaLMaChIn1> no not banned just the window freezes
[21:57] <_2> LoCaLMaChIn1 try another client.  maybe it's a bug
[21:57] <LoCaLMaChIn1> must be a bug how do I try another client
[21:58] <LoCaLMaChIn1> should change my screen name?
[21:58]  * _2 hopes LoCaLMaChIn1 makes it to the other channel...
[21:58] <_2> client == application
[21:59] <_2> the software you used to get here.    konversation   for instance
[21:59] <Vutral> mhm
[21:59] <_2> gaim  xchat  mirc   irssi ...
[21:59] <bdizzle> _2: okay, program installed. how do I use it?
[21:59] <Vutral> too ful here
[21:59] <LoCaLMaChIn1> I am using Gaim messenger
[21:59] <LoCaLMaChIn1> thats all I got
[21:59] <_2> bdizzle open it.  it's pretty streight forward
[21:59] <Vutral> who was on froscon
[21:59] <fitoria> hi
[22:00] <bdizzle> yeah, the target host, what is that? like the IP address?
[22:00] <_2> bdizzle it's an fe == front end   to nmap     i.e. a gui for it.
[22:00] <bdizzle> yeah, I appreciate that part
[22:00] <fitoria> I tried to play a rmvb file in kaffeine it plays but the audio is pretty bad
[22:00] <bdizzle> I like front ends
[22:00] <fitoria> any idea?
[22:00] <_2> bdizzle yeah   ip range that you want to scan
[22:01] <_2> fitoria only thing i would think of is try vlc
[22:01] <bdizzle> ok
[22:01] <dennister> hey ppl: having real killing a process that's named in []'s
[22:01] <dennister> killall's not working
[22:02] <_2> dennister cause it's a kernel thred
[22:02] <_2> you don't kill kernel threds
[22:02] <_2> bh
[22:02] <_2> my  key is sticking
[22:02] <_2> AA
[22:02] <bdizzle> okay, so if I wanted to scan 255.255.255.1 to 255.255.255.255, how would I enter that into the target field?
[22:02] <dennister> ok, so what do i do?
[22:03] <bdizzle> just 255.255.255.1 - 255.255.255.255 ?
[22:03] <buckethead> reboot?
[22:03] <_2> dennister in most cases if you have to kill a kernel thread you remove the module    modprobe -r name
[22:04] <_2> depends on what it is actually
[22:04] <dennister> _2: yes, and when I tried the modprobe -r name, terminal told me FATAL: Module speakup is in use
[22:04] <LoCaLMaChInE> the ubuntu channel is pretty much toast on my comp
[22:04] <_2> dennister so lets stop guessing and why don't you reviel what exactly you are trying to kill
[22:04] <dennister> i need to remove it so i can make a small change
[22:05] <dennister> speakup
[22:05] <bdizzle> _2:  ? what format does the range have to be in?
[22:06] <_2> bdizzle i just use dotted decimal   like   192.168.0.0/16   scan all the 192.168.*.*
[22:06] <bdizzle> ah, okay
[22:06] <bdizzle> and what is the /16 for?
[22:06] <LoCaLMaChInE> the reason I am trying to get in ubuntu is because I am looking for someone
[22:07] <bdizzle> ....
[22:07] <_2> bdizzle class
[22:07] <bdizzle> class?
[22:07] <_2> bdizzle a class is /8 b class is /16  c class is /24 ...     a.b.c.d
[22:08] <bdizzle> um, ok
[22:08]  * _2 hopes no network engineer sees his gibberish
[22:08]  * _2 hides...
[22:08] <LoCaLMaChInE> Barack Omaha for president????????????>:o
[22:09] <Dragnslcr> /XX is the number of significant bits, the rest of the 32 bits being variable
[22:09] <_2> bdizzle i obviously don't know the jargon.
[22:09] <Dragnslcr> So /16 means the first 16 bits are fixed, and the rest can be anything
[22:09] <bdizzle> yeah, but at least you know what to do. I don't even know that much
[22:09] <gkffjcs> are scp and ssh relatively the same thing, just scp is used specifically file transfer?
[22:10] <bdizzle> I believe so gkffjcs
[22:10] <dennister> _2: i'm trying to stop/killall speakup process, to make a small change, but when I give the command "modprobe -r speakup" the error message is FATAL: module in use
[22:10] <Dragnslcr> e.g. 192.168.0.0/16 means all addresses between 192.168.0.0 and 192.168.25..255
[22:10] <bdizzle> gah how is it this hard to set up a computer to computer network
[22:10] <_2> gkffjcs part of the same package using the same protocal  but highly different in actual use
[22:10] <Dragnslcr> gkffjcs- scp copies files across an SSH session
[22:11] <LoCaLMaChInE> stupid ubuntu channel
[22:11] <_2> dennister ok pastebin your pstree
[22:11] <bdizzle> ok
[22:11] <_2> scp can copy from one remote host to another remote host    kinda kewl
[22:12] <bdizzle> very
[22:12] <LoCaLMaChInE> BIll Gates for president!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:-D
[22:12] <_2> only if he'll pay off the debt.
[22:12] <bdizzle> ...and suddenly I hear the sound of millions of geeks crying out in pain at the thought
[22:13] <dennister> _2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40257/
[22:13] <_2> just remember bill was a geek once too
[22:13] <LoCaLMaChInE> he has millions he can pay off anything
[22:13] <coreymon77> nah, he was just a dork
[22:13] <bdizzle> yes, but he sold his soul
[22:14] <gkffjcs> thanks, _2 that's what I thought.
[22:14] <coreymon77> he didnt even make dos
[22:14] <LoCaLMaChInE> to the devil
[22:14] <LoCaLMaChInE> yeah the story was he copied the software from apple
[22:14] <bdizzle> ...I'm sure everyone here has seen Pirates of Silicon Valley, we don't need it re-told
[22:15] <_2> dennister i don't see it in there.
[22:15] <LoCaLMaChInE> BIll Gates or Arnold Sxhwartznegger
[22:15] <_2> dennister am i missing something ?
[22:15] <coreymon77> actually, the one i heard is that he bought it off some guy cheap and then claimed it was his
[22:16] <LoCaLMaChInE> coreymon77 it wouldn't surprise me
[22:16] <dennister> _2: no, it's not whowing up in pstree...does show up near bottom when i " ps aux"...hold on
[22:17] <LoCaLMaChInE> just like I think the bush daughter cheated on her S A TS
[22:17] <_2> fellows! i have to go.   someone help dennister see what is going on, and get it streightened out.   thanks.
[22:18] <dennister> ok, results from ps aux is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/40259/
[22:18] <LoCaLMaChInE> later 2
[22:18] <dennister> speakup is process I'm trying to stop/kill, it's near the bottom
[22:18] <bdizzle> okay, so type in kill <processnumber>
[22:19] <LoCaLMaChInE> Linux is such a pain in the butt
[22:20] <dennister> bdizzle: i did 'kill 6452', but ps aux says it's still there
[22:20] <coreymon77> LoCaLMaChInE: not really, you just have to ge past the initial problems
[22:20] <coreymon77> LoCaLMaChInE: then it works perfectly
[22:20] <LoCaLMaChInE> I remember the first time I installed Ubuntu oh man the modem setup was like Japanese to me
[22:20] <bdizzle> hmm
[22:20] <dennister> sorry i did kill 6451
[22:20] <dennister> the correct pid
[22:21] <LoCaLMaChInE> yeah I know I am computer literate so some things I can get but then I have to scratch my head when i Don't understand something like right now I can't get xubuntu if my life depended on it
[22:22] <dennister> can anyone help kill this process?
[22:23] <bdizzle> Ctrl + Alt + Backspace might
[22:23] <LoCaLMaChInE> anyone know where I can get a copy of xubuntu
[22:23] <robotgeek> dennister: kill -9 <process #>
[22:23] <bdizzle> LoCaLMaChInE: google for it?
[22:23] <robotgeek> LoCaLMaChInE: http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[22:24] <dennister> robotgeek: still running; no joy
[22:24] <robotgeek> LoCaLMaChInE: if you want to use it on your current machine, just use apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[22:24] <LoCaLMaChInE> tried that I think I have order it because stupid torrents are so damn slow
[22:24] <LoCaLMaChInE> yeah but then I will get the old version
[22:25] <robotgeek> LoCaLMaChInE: wget it?
[22:25] <LoCaLMaChInE> if I wget it will it take me an eternity to get it
[22:25] <robotgeek> LoCaLMaChInE: no access to fast internet?
[22:26] <LoCaLMaChInE> nope I have a friend who has highspeed but he is having problems getting the new version
[22:26] <dennister> i'm gonna try and reboot, maybe that will kill this process so I can make the change I need
[22:29] <LoCaLMaChInE> Rick flare?
[22:31] <LoCaLMaChInE> Paris Hilton for President:-D
[22:33] <LoCaLMaChInE> .Type a for George Bush
[22:34] <LoCaLMaChInE> Type B for Rack Obama and C for Paris Hilton or D Britney SPears
[22:34] <robotgeek> LoCaLMaChInE: please keep conversation here relevant to Kubuntu
[22:34] <robotgeek> take all offtopic chatter to #kubuntu-offtopic
[22:34] <LoCaLMaChInE> sorry having a prob with one of my printers killing time the wrong way
[22:35] <NthDegree> LoCaLMaChInE, i'll take B
[22:35] <NthDegree> >.>
[22:37] <LoCaLMaChInE> anyone know glitsj6
[22:39] <LoCaLMaChInE> although this is the Kubuntu channel is there  a dial up toll I can use for Ubuntu
[22:42] <LoCaLMaChInE> dial up tool
[22:42] <ubuntu> hi again
[22:42] <ubuntu> !grub
[22:42] <Jack3> hardy kubuntu doesnt have KDE4 no?
[22:43] <LoCaLMaChInE> Yeah looks like I am thoe only loser using Dial up oooooh god
[22:43] <ubuntu> thx by live cd
[22:43] <dennister> ok, was finally able to kill the process
[22:44] <corey> can someone help me fix my sound issue
[22:44] <Jack3> is there a download manager for downloading iso's?
[22:44] <Jack3> my download fails :(
[22:44] <LoCaLMaChInE> Dennister had a similar prob with my dust box freezed up a billion times
[22:45] <LoCaLMaChInE> had to reinstall ubuntu to kill the bugs
[22:46] <LoCaLMaChInE> Jack3 having the same problem torrents are crap
[22:46] <dennister> or ... i thought i'd killed the process "(
[22:46] <dennister> :(
[22:46] <LoCaLMaChInE> oh no dennister what happened
[22:48] <dennister> have no idea...
[22:49] <LoCaLMaChInE> I remember I deleted Xorg oh talk about a nightmare couldn't do anything my comp wouldn't boot
[22:50] <LoCaLMaChInE> and I had no backups whatsoever yep I am sure smart
[22:51] <dennister> i was finally able to modprobe -r speakup_soft, and then modprobe speakup_soft; espeakup
[22:52] <dennister> pulseaudio works in console, right?
[22:52] <LoCaLMaChInE> man I do not know yeah I am hopeless
[22:53] <hoonteke> is there a way to "duplicate" my wireless device?  I'm looking for a way to be able to mess with tapN with iwconfig.
[22:53] <LoCaLMaChInE> I think dennister I got rid of KDE too many probs
[22:54] <dennister> LoCaLMaChInE: well, this has nothing to do with KDE...i'm trying to setup a screen reader and software voice synthesizer for console...for this user, and I did get it working at home
[22:55] <LoCaLMaChInE> oh ok
[22:56] <LoCaLMaChInE> gotcha hmmm I havent dealt with that before but it sounds like a headache
[22:57] <LoCaLMaChInE> Linux at times can be a migraine if you get too frustrated
[22:58] <TheMaxzilla> Linux is play, not work.
[23:04] <illmortal_> Does anyone know if the SAPPHIRE 100247L Radeon HD 4870 has compatibility issues with Kubuntu?
[23:05] <flaccid> doubt it
[23:05] <flaccid> unless google says something. that will probably use the radeonhd driver
[23:07] <josa> can anyone suggest some kind of media plugin for firefox... i dont like vlc and mplayer ones
[23:08] <flaccid> josa: might get more hits in #firefox
[23:09] <josa> ok
[23:10] <illmortal_> Ah man... I need Linux to fully support the video card. There's no NVIDIA cards touching Radeon HD 4870
[23:12] <djdarkman> illmortal_: it's the other way around
[23:12] <flaccid> illmortal_: linux doesn't support it?
[23:13] <illmortal_> I'm trying to find info on it. Right now I'm readin this: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ati_radeonhd_4870&num=2
[23:13] <illmortal_> If linux can't fully support, WINXP will have to take over =\
[23:14] <tony_> can someone tell me why every time i install mythtv i get "no upnp backends found" or something and then "couldn't login" etc?
[23:16] <flaccid> illmortal_: lots like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=878709 people succesful
[23:16] <flaccid> illmortal_: and the support has nothing to do with linux. the responsibility rests with the vendor, amd, so complain to them not us :)
[23:16] <flaccid> tony_: what did google say
[23:17] <TheMaxzilla> http://tinyurl.com/22c6t
[23:17] <illmortal_> Ah that's right, it's not Linux devs who create the drivers but the vendor.
[23:17] <flaccid> tony_: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=mythtv+no+upnp+backends+found&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[23:17] <illmortal_> alright cool,thanks for the flaccid, as usual you're on point with helpin :D
[23:17] <tony_> flaccid: googled it before and get a clusterfuck of suggestions. i don't do shit but just install it. on this, on kubuntu, on ubuntu, idk wtf is going on
[23:18] <flaccid> illmortal_: well a lot of drivers are done by the community because the vendor fails to but yes its the responsibilty of the vendor particularly if they are closed source and commercial on their hardware
[23:18] <illmortal_> understood.
[23:18] <flaccid> tony_: you are going to have to try harder than that if you want to fix it :)
[23:20] <tony_> flaccid: you're right, i may have forgotten the pvr firmware or whatever it is, brb. why does this have to be so hard everytime?
[23:22] <tony_> holy shit, i'm using 36gigs since i installed kubuntu lastnight and only downloaded like 2. wtf?
[23:22] <aaron> i'm having trouble installing ATI drivers when i enter ./ati-driver-installer-8-8-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/gutsy  out put says Permission denied
[23:22] <TheMaxzilla> !language
[23:25] <tony_> sorry, but this prompts me to not watch it. i spent enough time googling for problems here, i could've bought windows again
[23:25] <aaron> wtf my su password
[23:25] <aaron> days authentication failure
[23:25] <aaron> ??
[23:25] <buckethead> tony_: Download a program called 'flielight', it will show when the space went.
[23:26] <tony_> buckethead: thanks
[23:27] <aaron> anyone know how to switch to root
[23:27] <ubuntu> hello
[23:27] <tony_> aaron, why? just use xp if you don't care about security
[23:27] <jorgen> i need to create new file systems ona  drive with bad blocks, how do i go about that
[23:27] <aaron> tony are you high
[23:28] <aaron> i'm trying to install ati drivers
[23:28] <jorgen> im high
[23:28] <jorgen> on cannabis
[23:28] <tony_> use sudo
[23:28] <theunixgeek> Is there a way to download the build-essential and gtk-lib-dev packages for later installation (along with their dependencies and so on and so forth)?
[23:28] <Traveler232> hi!  QUESTION:  how do I determine if I have a java compiler installed?  (I guess it's javac I'm looking for?)
[23:28] <jorgen> with mke2fs how do i specify the file system size?
[23:28] <theunixgeek> tony_: for later installation
[23:28] <TheMaxzilla> Traveler232: Open up a terminal and type in javac
[23:29] <b3ny0-> wish i was baked too
[23:29] <neptunepink> What command tells me what kind of memory I have installed?
[23:29] <neptunepink> !memory
[23:30] <jorgen> can anybody help me with mke2fs please
[23:30] <jerkface> i just bought a new computer. how can i tell if it's a laptop?
[23:30] <TheMaxzilla> !repeat | jorgen
[23:30] <tony_> buckethead: i'm not seeing that anywhere
[23:30] <TheMaxzilla> !patience | jorgen
[23:31] <flaccid> tony_: dunno. i know that mythv has always been a pita
[23:31] <flaccid> aaron: either you don't have perms in that dir or you need sudo
[23:31] <aaron> can i su to root
[23:31] <aaron> like opensuse & gentoo
[23:32] <flaccid> !sudo | aaron
[23:32] <aaron> sudo ./ati-driver-installer-8-8-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/gutsy
[23:32] <aaron> doesn't work
[23:32] <TheMaxzilla> aaron: What are you trying to accomplish?
[23:33] <flaccid> well you shouldnt even need root for that command. what directory are you doing it in aaron
[23:33] <aaron> install ati drivers using this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[23:33] <flaccid> TheMaxzilla: hes making deb packages from the binary installer
[23:33] <flaccid> aaron: nah hes updating the driver as per the ati wiki
[23:33] <TheMaxzilla> Are you in the directory that you downloaded it to/
[23:33] <aaron> yep
[23:33] <aaron> on my desktop
[23:34] <aaron> ls
[23:35] <YAOMTC> I'm installing the KGtk fix, and one instruction is to set up the Qt4/KDE4 environment variables. I can't remember how to do this and can't find a howto.
[23:36] <flaccid> aaron: you should follow http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Hardy_Installation_Guide could be that you are not using sh to run it and failed to chmod +x on the .run
[23:36] <flaccid> YAOMTC: wrong chan for kde4, please see topic for right chan
[23:36] <amen22> Could someone please tell me how to get flash player to work, so things such as youtube will load for me?
[23:36] <YAOMTC> Oh, right. My mistake.
[23:37] <flaccid> !flash | amen22
[23:37] <TheMaxzilla> #kubuntu-kde4 - YAOMTC
[23:38] <aaron> thanks flaccid
[23:38] <aaron> :)
[23:38] <flaccid> np
[23:39] <aaron> which is better installing Catalyst 8.8 or drivers from Ubuntu's repositor
[23:42] <flaccid> aaron: only difference is that 8.8 is a later driver than the repos
[23:43] <aaron> ok
[23:43] <HighHo> aaron: Depends how you look at things really, theres nothing really wrong with either methods, but using repo's means its been tested
[23:43] <aaron> gotcha
[23:44] <flaccid> yeah and this is the reason it doesn't get updated within a release
[23:44] <aaron> sudo gedit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[23:44] <aaron> sudo: gedit: command not found does this mean i have to install gedit ?
[23:45] <flaccid> aaron: use kate instead
[23:45] <HighHo> aaron: use kate
[23:45] <HighHo> do'h :)
[23:46] <YAOMTC> or kedit, but that's even less of an editor than gedit is so I'd go with kate
[23:47] <dennister> hey all...having troubles with sound in this new kernel
[23:47] <TheMaxzilla> sudo kate /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[23:48] <dennister> speakup and espeakup want pulse, and I have pulse working at home, but I don't understand why it's not working here...sound was working fine in older kernel on this machine
[23:48] <flaccid> if you are talking pulseaudio you might get better help in #ubuntu as that is what gnome uses
[23:49] <dennister> ok, will try
[23:49] <laico> hello, i am having problems installign rt2570 driver
[23:49] <HighHo> !pulse
[23:49] <HighHo> might help also
[23:49] <flaccid> laico: always specify the problem otherwise you probably won't get a response
[23:50] <laico> ok
[23:51] <eden06> Hey guys, No ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu live cd ever boots for me, resets just as X loads, running amd athlon64 3000+ on a k8 with an nvidia 7600AGP 512mb videocard. Have tried both x86 and 64bit versions, disk fine as loads on a vm, any suggestions?
[23:52] <flaccid> !alternate | eden06 tried this?
[23:54] <laico> i am using a dlinlk g122 usb wifi card and when i try to put it in monitor mode with airmon i get unknow command forceprismheader, i though it was the driver so i donwload and extract a new one. but  when i try to make install it says it could not find /lib/module so i dowload lzm2dir but then theres another problem
[23:54] <eden06> flaccid: was hoping not to as a straight install is not what I particularly wanted, I shall download it and try on a spare hard drive, although it's only ubuntu based distros that can't manage the live cd which is odd
[23:54] <eden06> flaccid: and also the links broke ^.^
[23:54] <flaccid> laico: best bet is to google the errors and go from there
[23:55] <flaccid> eden06: what are you trying to achieve
[23:55] <laico> thats what i have been trying
[23:55] <laico> but i will keep searching
[23:55] <flaccid> ie. what is it you particularly want eden06
[23:56] <flaccid> laico: 1. your card needs to support monitor mode 2. your driver needs to support monitor mode 3. problem/bug could be with airmon
[23:56] <laico> humm maybe its the driver
[23:56] <laico> cause the card does support it
[23:57] <flaccid> laico: this could help http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=5707&page=3
[23:57] <aaron> my xorg.config file looks wierd i don't see any lines for my monitor res or drivers
[23:57] <flaccid> airmon doesn't seem to support the forceprism command too
[23:57] <eden06> flaccid: long term, would like to replace my current distro with something ubuntu based, however, earlier versions of ubuntu/kubuntu couldn't even manage to boot past splash, which doesn't give me much hope, hence why I'd rather run it live first than risk my current distro which is installed how I like
[23:57] <flaccid> aaron: xorg 7 doesn't require them
[23:58] <aaron> so how do i enable
[23:58] <aaron> my drivers to fglrx
[23:59] <flaccid> eden06: the reason for that is the livecd is pretty generic with its X and doesn't work with all video cards. you can goto a tty and check the x log to see why and change it to Driver "vesa" if needed or just use the alternate cd to install text based. the distro is practically irrelevent because its about driver and Xorg support
[23:59] <flaccid> aaron: hardware drivers manager from the kmenu
[23:59] <flaccid> eden06: if your current distro uses Xorg, you could just copy the xorg.conf and restart kdm on the livecd and it will probably work