[00:09] <chowmeined> when would be a good time to test for platform bugs?
[00:10] <chowmeined> installing ubuntu server on a variety of dell server machines
[00:10] <chowmeined> and installing ubuntu desktop on a variety of dell desktops and workstations
[00:35] <ubuntu_> hay all quick question, I am trying to install 8.10 from the cd, but the installer keeps crashing. What is the console command to install?
[00:45] <IdleOne> !upgrade
[00:49] <Klick__> Hey all, I was using ipw2200 and my wireless device has always been seen, I just recently applied the latest upgrade via synaptic and now the device is not found.  I am running Linux x41 2.6.24-21-generic and when I try to manualy modprobe ipw2200 I get a bunch of unknown symbols in dmesg, any help?
[00:50] <Pici> Klick__: You're running Intrepid with 2.6.24?
[00:51] <Klick__> Pici, I am runing hardy
[00:51] <Klick__> and just doing the daily updates it recomends
[00:51] <Pici> Klick__: This channel is only for Intrepid support, ask in #ubuntu please :)
[00:52] <Klick__> i asked there also, no luck
[00:52] <Pici> Klick__: Be patient.
[00:58] <DanaG> Odd... nouveau seems to actually be SLOWER than nv, for me.  Odd.
[01:03] <siimo> hi i am testing intripid at the moment and my xorg crashes maybe 5-10 times a day randomly.. when scrolling or doing whatever in any random program..  im running latest nvidia drivers
[01:18] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/41427
[01:18] <DanaG> The bug seems not to be getting very much developer attention.
[01:42] <Joeb454> hey, anybody around?
[01:44] <Joeb454> nobody?
[01:47] <Joeb454> is there likely to be any issues in upgrading from Hardy to Intrepid but keeping the same /home partition?
[01:52] <DanaG> There shouldn't be.
[01:52] <DanaG> Just be aware of breakage risk, as usual with any development version.
[01:53] <Joeb454> naturally
[01:53] <DanaG> For example, the nvidia 71 and 96 drivers are nonfunctional.
[01:53] <Joeb454> I have intel :)
[01:53] <DanaG> Don't you just love closed-source hardware?
[01:53] <DanaG> =þ
[01:53] <DanaG> Intel should be easy, then.
[01:53]  * jtechidna is sad the 71 and 96 drivers are nonfunctional
[01:53] <Joeb454> I also have rsync backup my home dir to a server
[01:53] <Joeb454> so I'll do that once more before I upgrade, and mod the script to backup the intrepid install to a different dir
[01:59] <shadowhywind> anyone know how to start the gui install program on a livecd from the console?
[02:02] <Joeb454> ubiquity?
[02:02] <Joeb454> shadowhywind, just open a terminal on the live cd and enter "ubiquity"
[02:02] <Joeb454> without the quotes
[02:02] <shadowhywind> k, will give that a try and see what happens
[02:03] <Joeb454> actually wait
[02:03] <Joeb454> enter "(ubiquity &)"
[02:03] <Joeb454> without quotes - that will let you close the terminal then ;)
[02:03] <DanaG> close with exit, not close button.
[02:03] <DanaG> otherwise, it'll still quit the installer.
[02:03] <shadowhywind> k, actraully i will forget the & since i want to see the errors on the console
[02:03] <DanaG> Handy hint: detach it later, if you wish, like this:
[02:03] <DanaG> CTRL-Z
[02:04] <DanaG> 'bg'
[02:04]  * Joeb454 found a bug
[02:04] <Joeb454> lol
[02:04] <Joeb454> anyway, gonna reboot and install intrepid over hardy :)
[02:04] <shadowhywind> thats what i was plaining on doing
[02:05] <Joeb454> I'll come back and let you know how it goes
[02:05] <Joeb454> if not, check joeb454.co.uk to see :P
[02:05] <Joeb454> it is 2am after all
[03:41] <discombobulated> just installed kubuntu alpha 4 and my other partitions aren't mounted
[03:46] <Hobbsee> !ping
[04:11] <DayOldPorridge> Can anyone help me out with the fix to the pam problem?   It keeps giving me an "authentication error" whenever I try to log in.  I've read the bug report about it, and also the fix to it.  But I'm not quite sure I understand what lines I'm supposed to edit or remove in /etc/pam.d/common-session?
[04:11] <DanaG> There's a one-line command you can run to paste it.
[04:12] <DanaG> Either that, or you can run the upgrade.
[04:12] <DayOldPorridge> Can't really run the upgrade, as I have no internet access on my extra ubuntu partition without KPPP installed.
[04:13] <DayOldPorridge> What is the one-line command?
[04:17] <DanaG> Aah, one thing you can do: download the new version deb, and install via command line.
[04:17] <DanaG> The one-liner is one that'd need copy-and-paste.
[04:18] <DanaG> So it'd be easier to download the fixed deb and put it on a flash drive, or something.
[04:19] <DayOldPorridge> Ahh mmkay.
[04:20] <DanaG> .. then again, you could copy and paste into a script file.
[04:20] <DayOldPorridge> No extra dependencies I'd need?
[04:20] <DanaG> Lemme' check.
[04:20] <DanaG> Hmm, libpam-runtime....
[04:21] <DanaG> Nope, no versioned depends.
[04:21] <DayOldPorridge> Oh, okay.  Guess I'll just download the updated .deb, then.
[04:22] <DayOldPorridge> Pam 1.0.1-3ubuntu3, right?
[04:25] <DanaG> Whatever's the newest, I'd imagine.
[04:59] <kavon> so when is the alpha theme for Ibex final going to show up?
[04:59] <kavon> is it alpha 5, when is that?
[05:01] <gnomefreak> kavon: the links you need is in the topic
[05:03] <DayOldPorridge> After I installed pam 1.0.1-3, whenever I try to start Intrepid, it drops me to a login console.  And when I try to login, it says "login incorrect".
[05:04] <DayOldPorridge> Did this happen to anybody else?
[05:09] <kavon> Alpha 5, sept 4th
[05:10] <kavon> i see aug 28th has an artwork deadline
[05:10] <kavon> so im assuming thats when we'll first see the radical new theme :)
[05:11] <DayOldPorridge> Is no one else having the problem after updating pam?  :/
[05:14] <timboy> I upgraded to intrepid on my lenovo t61p and I used to be able to use my scroll button by adding this to my xorg.conf: Option "EmulateWheel" "true" Option "EmulateWheelButton" "2" under configured mouse. However after upgrading it doesn't work anymore... :( can someone help?
[05:14] <crimsun> DayOldPorridge: which version precisely?
[05:14] <crimsun> from the topic of -devel:  pam 1.0.1-2ubuntu1 broken (bug #259867)
[05:19] <DayOldPorridge> It's pam 1.0.1-3ubuntu2
[05:25] <crimsun> DayOldPorridge: did you check that bug?
[05:27] <DayOldPorridge> Yes, and that's why I upgraded from 1.0.1-2 to 1.0.1-3
[05:27] <DayOldPorridge> But I guess something must have gone wrong when installing
[05:27] <DayOldPorridge> Because I don't even get the login screen now
[05:28] <crimsun> if you have a desktop cd, boot from it, chroot in, (re)install the fixed package.
[05:29] <DayOldPorridge> Kay
[05:36] <DayOldPorridge> It gives a few exit errors after sudo make.  Would there be a .deb of 1.0.1.-3, by any chance?
[05:45] <timboy> anyone willing to help me with my xorg?
[05:56] <peanutb> anyone feel like trying to troubleshoot some networking problems? i dont know where to start
[06:02] <timboy> peanutb, looks like everyone is troubleshooting their own issues... what's yours?
[06:04] <peanutb> timboy; both the wireless and ethernet interfaces get ips as soon as i log in
[06:04] <peanutb> and it defaults to wired
[06:05] <timboy> what does your interfaces file say? /etc/network/interfaces?
[06:18] <peanutb> whatever is going on, i need to get to sleep... im gonna try reinstalling networkmanager
[06:18] <peanutb> it appears to be the cause of the problem
[07:22] <hischild> Seems that quite a bit of packages have been removed from the default installation. I might've missed it, but is there a changelog of this?
[07:25] <crimsun> you could check the changelog for, say, ubuntu-meta
[07:27]  * hischild checks
[07:33] <hischild> i've found a changelog and aptitude was removed. Where would i go to find a reason why? I'm fairly sure there was a reason, but i'm wondering why as it was my fav package manager.
[07:47] <chronographer> hi. i get this error runnnig thunderbird: /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libxpcom.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:48] <hischild> chronographer, try locating the file yourself. update the search libraries with updatedb and then locate it with locate. ==> sudo updatedb && locate libxpcom.so
[07:48] <chronographer> and I also get funny 'apt-get-autoremove' messages... i.e. I uninstall something and now I have 335mb of redundant packages including gcc eclipse etc
[07:49] <hischild> those might be old versions still installed or packages in your cache.
[07:49] <chronographer> this may take some time eh?
[07:49] <chronographer> nvm.
[07:50] <chronographer> i have some in matlabs /op/matlab folder and some in /usr/lib/t-bird
[07:52] <hischild> hmm .. it might take some time, but makes sure your file db is up2date. Anyway, you have the files. Have you tried to start on command line? might give some more info.
[07:53] <chronographer> yep, thats what I'm doing... thunderbird says "thunderbird is already running" which is wrong. command line gives missing .so files. I am ln -s all the files from mozillas directorys to /usr/lib and then there is another error for the next file!
[07:54] <chronographer> well. no more error messages, just says thunderbird is already running
[07:55] <chronographer> oh well... i been meaning to try evolution
[07:57] <hischild> hmm ...
[07:58] <hischild> well gl with evolution ... haven't used thunderbird in a while and it was back on windows then ... using evolution for myself lately, works like a charm so far
[08:00] <hischild> i can't seem to set the time correctly, the window to adjust dissapears after i attempt to set it.
[08:03] <hischild> ok nvm that, i used the window wrong.
[08:04] <chronographer> that was painless. um.. can I import my contacts from thunderbird? I guess you wouldn't know!
[08:06] <hischild> i'm afraid you're right. Perhaps that you can check the faq of evolution?
[08:28] <hischild> i'm having some random stuttering in my music without reason. Also my volume wheel isn't working. Can i get some assistance in troubleshooting this?
[08:33] <nIRV_> greetings -- could someone running on intrepid confirm seahorse gedit plugin and file association are not working? thanks
[09:39] <mikele> Hi, someone can help me for an audio card Realtek?
[12:13] <Cutter> hi
[12:14] <Cutter> are you going to change Ubuntu's default wallpaper in intrepid?
[12:14] <Cutter> the current one is very nice and I don't see anything better at the wiki
[12:17] <siegie> the current one is assosiatted with hardy i think
[12:18] <Cutter> it will be hard to change it without regress
[12:58] <hardy> Hi, I installed Interpix ubuntu, then kubunt-desktop but I couldn't find kde in the gdm login screen
[13:06] <hwilde_> intrepid is coming out soon huh
[13:07] <hwilde_> i haven't had any updates for like a week
[13:09] <hardy> hwilde_:  I installed Interpix ubuntu, then kubunt-desktop but I couldn't find kde in the gdm login screen, any idea?
[13:09] <hwilde_> you should be running kdm
[13:09] <hwilde_> for kubuntu
[13:09] <hwilde_> gdm for gnome
[13:09] <hwilde_> for kicks,  /etc/init.d/gdm stop     /etc/init.d/kdm start
[13:09] <hardy> hwilde_: but I want to have both and previously gdm recognize kde and gnome
[13:10] <hwilde_> do you understand what gdm stands for
[13:10] <hwilde_> and what kdm stands for
[13:10] <hardy> hwilde_: yes gnome display manager doesn't mean it cannot load kde, no?
[13:11] <hwilde_> yep
[13:11] <hwilde_> hardy,  http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/7995/
[13:11] <hwilde_>     sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm   to switch between
[13:13] <hischild> Has anyone attempted to use wireless with atheros et?
[13:13] <hischild> *yet
[13:14] <hwilde_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/182489
[13:14] <hwilde_> hischild, so... yes
[13:14] <hwilde_> but :/
[13:14] <hischild> hmm
[13:14] <hischild> and let it so happen that i have that same chipset (AR5007EG)
[13:15] <hischild> ah well, i feel a challenge coming ^^
[13:16] <hwilde_> you might wanna check  http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/madwifi-devel/2007/9/20/271523
[13:17] <hwilde_> and fedora  http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=196410
[13:17] <hwilde_> "AR5007EG finally supported "
[13:17] <hwilde_> so, it's out there...
[13:17] <hischild> i've had it working on hardy, but haven't tried on intrepid yet
[13:18] <hwilde_> is there a supported way to run both so you can have a stable partition and an intrepid beta test
[13:18] <hwilde_> without using duplicate diskspace u know
[13:19] <hischild> hmm in theory pretty much everything is possible ... but i wouldn't really know how
[13:19] <hardy> hwilde_: when I try dpkg-reconfigure gdm it doesn't give me any options
[13:19] <hischild> but i'm reading this and it says it's only in the 2.6.27 kernels it works, but intrepid is only at 2.6.26
[13:20] <hwilde_> hardy, doesnt it look like this   http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/how-to-switch-between-gdm-and-kdm-on-ubuntu/
[13:20] <hischild> you have both installed right hardy?
[13:20] <hischild> try reconfiguring kdm instead of gdm
[13:50] <hischild> my wlan card is still misdetected :( ar24x instead of ar5007
[13:51] <hwilde_> hal update
[13:51] <hischild> hmm?
[13:52] <hischild> i'm gonna see if i can use ndiswrapper so ill have at least one way of connecting after the weekend ( need wireless then to get online after school :) )
[13:53] <hischild> how to find out what driver is used for my wlan card atm?
[13:58] <hwilde_> lsmod
[13:58] <hwilde_> probly ath_pci
[13:59] <hwilde_> grep ieee80211
[13:59] <hwilde_> that should point you in the right direction
[14:42] <DayOldPorridge> Is there another way to fix the pam issue besides installing the updated version of pam?  Since I don't have internet access on my Ubuntu laptop at the moment, I can only put the update on a flashdrive and then install it from source.  I did that, however the update to pam 1.0.1-3ubuntu2 didn't seem to fix the log-in problem.
[14:55] <Ampelbein> DayOldPorridge: You could put the .deb on the flashdrive and use dpkg -i to install (if all dependencies are met)
[14:56] <Ampelbein> oh wait. forget my comment.
[14:56] <Ampelbein> you did just that already.
[14:56] <DayOldPorridge> Yeah
[14:57] <DayOldPorridge> Well, I didn't install the .deb, just installed from source.  But that shouldn't make much of a difference, right?
[14:58] <Ampelbein> since the deb is built from the source package it should not make a difference.
[14:59] <Ampelbein> anyway, what bug are you talking about? can you give the bugnumber on launchpad?
[14:59] <DayOldPorridge> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/259867
[14:59] <DayOldPorridge> There's a script that's supposed to fix it, but I'm not really sure how to apply it
[15:00] <DayOldPorridge> It's in the post by Stefano Maioli
[15:06] <Ampelbein> DayOldPorridge: Boot from live-cd and then exchange pam_deny.so with pam_permit.so in /etc/pam.d/common-session.
[15:10] <DayOldPorridge> There's no line with pam_deny.so in the common-session file, but there's "session required pam_permit.so".
[15:14] <DayOldPorridge> That's where I seem to get lost, because the common-session file seems like it should be fine.
[15:15] <Ampelbein> DayOldPorridge: are sure you are editing the correct file? and not the one on the live-cd-filesystem? sorry for asking but thats a trap i ran into sometime before.
[15:17] <DayOldPorridge> I'm logged into the root prompt on recovery mode, so nope.  Unless somehow the root file is different from the regular users' one?
[15:18] <DayOldPorridge> The recovery mode for intrepid, that is.
[15:19] <Ampelbein> no, should not be different.
[15:24] <DayOldPorridge> Do you think you could show me what your common-session file looks like?  Or should I try posting mine on the forums and see if anyone can help?
[15:52] <Ampelbein> DayOldPorridge: http://paste.debian.net/15507/
[16:02] <luke> Hi everybody, I have a problem with my madwifi, I had it working and then it suddenly stopped I reinstalled multiple versions including the svn but still nothing works. I have messed with the restricted drivers and that didn't work also. I have an acer aspire 5570 with a ar5007EG wifi card.
[16:02] <luke> any body any ideas
[16:05] <bluesmoke> seems nautilus has lost the ability to show "custom" mimetype icons
[16:05] <bluesmoke> the one emerald sets up doesn't work and neither does the one I'm trying to add for application/x-bittorrent
[17:26] <askand> Hi, where was the decision abot choosing F-spot and EOG over gThumb taken? IRC or some mailinlist?
[17:30] <mherm_> I'm trying Kubuntu Interpid Alpha 4 under VirtualBox, but am unable to boot from the disk (see http://paste.ubuntu.com/40202/ ). Suggestions anyone?
[17:33] <siegie> askand: what do you have at the moment?
[17:40] <penguin42> mherm_: I remember seeing a note somewhere about a bug where it won't boot in VirtualBox
[17:41] <penguin42> mherm_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/246067
[17:44] <mherm_> thanks, that seems to be it...
[17:53] <SeveredCross> askand: Uhm, probably an internal decision made by the release team or something.
[17:54] <SeveredCross> askand: Why, got something against F-Spot/EOG?
[17:57]  * penguin42 doesn't find F-Spot that intuitive
[17:58] <SeveredCross> Really? I quite like it.
[17:59] <penguin42> SeveredCross: I find myself downloading it using F-Spot and then starting up Digikam to sort, crop, scale and fiddle with them
[17:59] <SeveredCross> Never used Digikam. Can't stand KDE apps for the most part.
[18:00] <penguin42> hehe all a matter of personal preference - I tend to use a mix
[18:00] <SeveredCross> :)
[18:28] <Laney> Erm
[18:29] <Laney> Clicking any of the directories in "Places" launches my default media player. This bug known?
[18:52] <Sharpie> i can't add/change autostart programs (using gnome-session-properties). when i try adding anything it alerts "the startup command cannot be empty". is this a reported bug?
[18:54] <mok0> Sharpie: you could find out, and report it if not
[18:54] <Sharpie> i'm trying to find out by asking here =o
[18:55] <Sharpie> mok0, are you using intrepid atm? if so, can you add anything new to sessions?
[18:56] <mok0> Sharpie: I'm not, unfortunately. Just lurking around to see what problems it has :-)
[19:00] <Sharpie> bah i'll just report it then
[19:00] <Ampelbein> Sharpie: doesn't work for me either.
[19:01] <Sharpie> Ampelbein: i'll give you the bug report link once i report it so you can confirm it there
[19:01] <Ampelbein> kk
[19:08] <Sharpie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/260910
[19:09] <Sharpie> Ampelbein: confirm it please =o
[19:09] <Ampelbein> done
[19:11] <askand> SeveredCross:  mentioing it because of thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=898940
[19:12] <Sharpie> now launchpad's gonna spam me again
[19:16] <Laney> Can someone try and confirm bug #260913 please?
[20:00] <rconan> how come an upgrade to intrepid wants to remove loads of packages?
[20:00] <rconan> are there packages which haven't been added to intrepid repos yet?
[20:10] <Unksi> rconan: are you using kde?
[20:10] <Splex> Anyone know how to fix this problem when running apt-get update?  W: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package perl W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[20:11] <rconan> Unksi, i'm using some of the ubuntustudio packages which are the ones it wants to remove
[20:11] <rconan> Unksi, not kde though
[20:11] <Unksi> ok
[20:12] <rconan> Unksi, not sure if i was doing the upgrade right though. i'm trying it again now
[20:12] <Unksi> im not sure, but i guess it should be done with update-manager^ no idea about ubuntu studio
[20:14] <rconan> Unksi, i was just using apt-get with a changed sources.list like one used to do in the past. now i'm seeing what update-manager -d has to offer
[20:16] <rconan> Unksi, still wants to remove ubuntustudio-desktop and some of its dependancies
[20:17] <rconan> oh well... hopefully i'll be able to reinstall them post-upgrade
[20:18] <Unksi> ok
[20:19] <Unksi> rconan: at least the metapackage exists
[20:19] <rconan> Unksi, i just saw the download time so upgrade is waiting until a suitable time anyway
[20:54] <dupondje> I boot my system, and I don't get any icons/menubar on my gnome desktop ...
[20:54] <dupondje> can login .. but then I don't get anything on my desktop
[20:54] <dupondje> any id ?
[20:55] <JediMaster> hey guys, I've got a static ip setup through /etc/network/interfaces and every time the machine boots it uses dhcp. If I set the network interfaces through the gui to manual it reverts to dhcp again
[20:55] <dupondje> JediMaster: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/259214
[20:55] <dupondje> known bug
[20:55] <dupondje> and Network-Manager doesn't look @ /etc/network/interfaces
[20:55] <dupondje> if u know how to edit the file manually
[20:55] <dupondje> u can remove network-manager
[20:55] <dupondje> :)
[20:56] <JediMaster> what file does it look at then? =)
[20:56] <dupondje> no id
[20:56] <dupondje> its really fucked network-manager atm
[20:56] <dupondje> buggy as shit :)
[20:59] <JediMaster> guess I'm not the only one it's affecting heh
[21:06] <dupondje> W: ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to find original dlopen loader.
[21:06] <dupondje> pulseaudio errors ? :s
[21:21] <dupondje> If I right click I get a menu
[21:21] <dupondje> but else desktop is empty
[21:21] <dupondje> can load some progs from that menu :s
[21:21] <dupondje> but thats it ... :s
[21:22] <JediMaster> well, just added on to your report dupondje
[21:23] <dupondje> :)
[21:24] <dupondje> but now I have really crap error :s empty desktop :(
[21:25] <JediMaster> heh, how did that happen? straight after upgrading?
[21:25] <dupondje> Intrepid was working ok ...
[21:25] <dupondje> just came home
[21:25] <dupondje> booted pc
[21:25] <dupondje> and nothing :P
[21:26] <dupondje> only have the Gnome background
[21:27] <dupondje> and I can use 'Openbox'
[21:34] <dupondje> gnome-panel&
[21:34] <dupondje> and then I get it :s
[21:34] <dupondje> wtf :)
[21:40] <dupondje> all sleeping here ?
[21:40] <dupondje> :p
[21:48] <Splex> nope
[21:48] <dupondje> any id's then ? :D
[21:48] <Splex> ?
[21:48] <Splex> empty desktop, strange
[21:48] <dupondje> no 'login sound' neither it seems
[21:48] <dupondje> no icons
[21:48] <dupondje> no panel :s
[21:48] <Splex> i had that problem yesterday, and when i killed x with ctrl-alt backspace... it loaded up fine after that
[21:49] <dupondje> here it doesn't :P
[21:49] <Splex> hmmm
[21:49] <Splex> did u take a look at your logs
[21:49] <dupondje> nothing strange :(
[21:51] <dupondje> If I load gnome-panel manual
[21:51] <dupondje> it works fine :s
[21:51] <Splex> did you try making a new account and logging in with that?
[21:51] <dupondje> no ...
[21:51] <dupondje> :)
[21:52] <Splex> never know when your user config is no good after an update... and an experimental one at that :P
[21:56] <dupondje> lol
[21:56] <dupondje> there I even can't login
[21:56] <dupondje> Unknown option --choose-session=openbox-session
[21:58] <dupondje> mmm
[21:58] <dupondje> selected other session
[21:58] <dupondje> and now it works :)
[21:58] <dupondje> rofl
[21:59] <dupondje> somehow default login session got changed
[22:00] <dupondje> thx dude ! :D
[22:11] <Lunks> Is 'domount' gone on intrepid?
[23:23] <pwnguin> am i going crazy, or does firefox constantly bring up a bookmark action the first time i click on the bookmark menu?