[00:03] <emgent> hello
[11:12] <ldp> ummm
[11:13] <wgrant> I am in complete agreement.
[11:13] <ldp> so is everyone here, probably
[11:15] <ldp> ummmmmmm
[11:15] <ldp> ok, it's getting old
[11:16] <ldp> but doesn't anyone do anything here?
[11:16] <wgrant> Not in the past 5 minutes, apparently.
[11:17] <ldp> apparently would be righ
[11:17] <ldp> t
[12:13] <ldp> nothing has hapened here in 1 hour
[12:13] <Hobbsee> ldp: it's a weekend.
[12:13] <Hobbsee> what do you expect?
[12:13] <ldp> oh, yes
[12:13] <ldp> it's a weekend in america
[12:14] <ldp> here, it's the first day of the week
[12:14] <Hobbsee> where's 'here'?
[12:14] <ldp> Kuwait
[12:14] <Iulian> Sunday?
[12:14] <ldp> yes
[12:15] <ldp> Friday and Saturday are the weekend here
[12:15] <ldp> weekends*
[12:33] <wgrant> ldp: I'd say it's a weekend pretty much everywhere. And people generally work better when not chatting on IRC.
[14:27] <cynicismic> ls
[15:44] <pwnguin> wgrant: your statement kinda marginalizes other cultures
[15:44] <pwnguin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workweek
[16:48] <emgent> evening
[17:24] <askand> Hi, where was the decision abot choosing F-spot and EOG over gThumb taken? IRC or some mailinlist?
[17:59] <persia> askand: You asked that before.  As mentioned before, it's not a very active time right now.  The decision was actually reached in a bug, but discussed also in IRC and the mailing list.
[18:01] <asac> Riddell: do you know the kubuntu contributor who did the firefox qt thing?
[18:01] <asac> Riddell: would be cool if you could send him into #ubuntu-mozillateam
[18:02] <asac> apachelogger: ^^ ;)
[18:03] <asac> apachelogger: would you mind to join our channel? thanks!
[19:09] <emgent> pollelu: hey :)
[19:10] <pollelu> hi
[19:14] <askand> persia: I do not think I asked that before, I asked it in another channel but I asked here first. Thanks for answering btw, im asking because of thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=898940
[19:17] <persia> askand: My apologies then: I got the order misplaced.
[19:17] <Erik_A> Hi, where's the appropriate place to suggest new software needing to get packaged?
[19:19] <persia> My memory was that the consensus was that F-Spot did everything gThumb did and more, and there was a lot of demand for F-spot, and the discs are only so big.  If you think eog should be pulled, file a bug, but I suspect it's unlikely as it's considered part of GNOME upstream.
[19:19] <persia> Erik_A: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[19:19] <Erik_A> persia, thank you
[19:20] <frith> can i ask a question about changing the dependencies of a package?
[19:20] <frith> erm, i mean build dependencies
[19:21] <persia> frith: Packaging questions are better addressed in #ubuntu-motu
[19:21] <frith> thanks
[21:20] <Laney> How does apport/whatever detect a crash? I keep getting false positives from terminator.
[21:30] <verwilst> hi! i would like to provide backtraces for firefox crashes
[21:31] <verwilst> i tried installing dbgsym packages for anything i could find in the backtrace with gdb
[21:31] <verwilst> but it keeps saying no debugging symbols found
[21:31] <verwilst> any idea?
[21:34] <verwilst> oh, handy link
[21:34] <verwilst> btw, ddebs for -security are still broken...
[21:36] <ScottK> verwilst: #ubuntu-mozillateam might be a better channel.
[21:37] <verwilst> oh
[21:45] <verwilst> anyone has got ddebs in his repo?
[21:45] <verwilst> ( hardy )
[21:45] <verwilst> it's for a little test ;)
[22:05] <verwilst> nm!
[22:19] <martinwm> could one of you nice guys copy a non-developer how you could approach sabdfl for an open an honest word that gets me feedback?
[22:21] <martinwm> cause i have seen all his talks from the last years at debian events. and if he would be honest about his hype for colaboration, then i think he would never hire a socially retarded asshole like Steve Langasek. cause the price of having such a tech genious in a group of people is too high
[22:21] <martinwm> colaboration of a team would replace such a person pretty well
[22:21]  * slangasek chuckles
[22:22] <verwilst> ouch :)
[22:23] <martinwm> and i would love to have on tape how Mark justifies having such a moron aboard :)
[22:25] <martinwm> slangasek: takes you long today to suck the cock of ircops so i fall from the network
[22:26] <martinwm> whats wrong Mr. Narciss?
[22:26] <ajmitch> slangasek: looks like you've got another fan :)
[22:27] <Nafallo> don't feed the troll :-)
[22:27] <martinwm> ajmitch: when you look at the world population, the number of people is pretty small of love the tech genious so much that they tolerate narcissism of that kind
[22:27] <martinwm> s/small of/small who/
[22:28] <martinwm> nalioth: high darling. you come in pink to rescue cock smoker slangasek?
[22:28] <slangasek> well, yes, he /should/ know better...
[22:28] <ajmitch> only mildly entertaining at that
[22:28] <slangasek> ajmitch: same fan as usual, as it happens
[22:29] <slangasek> nalioth: is Patrick Frank no longer banned from the network?
[22:30] <nalioth> slangasek: i can't answer that
[22:30] <slangasek> heh
[22:30] <slangasek> is there someone who can?
[22:31] <nalioth> no
[22:31] <nalioth> we don't discuss k-lines
[22:31] <nxvl> slangasek: what did you do to that guy to be so angry with you?
[22:32] <slangasek> nalioth: well, I'd like to know whether it's appropriate to inform freenode staff when I see him around, or if it should be dealt with by channel ops
[22:33] <slangasek> nxvl: I kicked him from some channels a few times for being abusive
[22:33] <nalioth> slangasek: the channel ops can handle their channels
[22:33] <nxvl> slangasek: just that?
[22:33] <slangasek> nxvl: he also doesn't like it that I see through his ban evasion attempts
[22:34] <nxvl> slangasek: so in summary he's mad because you were smarter?
[22:34] <Nafallo> :-)
[22:35] <slangasek> nxvl: well, also I said a few choice things to him while in the process of distracting him from the channels until I could reach a network op
[22:35] <slangasek> he seems to have taken some of them personally
[22:36] <nalioth> nrpil: i suspect these folks can give you a name to google for that will explain some things
[22:41] <nxvl> slangasek: yes, i can tell
[22:44] <pwnguin> its critically important that those who wield social exclusion powers appear impartial
[22:45] <slangasek> pwnguin: ehm, it doesn't make a difference to him.
[22:46] <slangasek> he believes he has a greater social calling to engage in ban evasion of any form needed to get his message out
[22:46] <spm> pwnguin: to add to slangasek; there are those who will always see partiality no matter how little this is or isn't. jm2c.
[22:46] <pwnguin> sure
[22:47] <pwnguin> But I've noticed several people who appear to carry personal grudges on both sides of this =(
[22:47] <pwnguin> well
[22:47] <pwnguin> "this" not being someone specific
[22:49] <pwnguin> maintaining behavior beyond reproach will at least lessen public sympathy
[22:49] <nxvl> yep as the guy who posted in planet ubuntu this week agains canonical for not letting he use ubuntu's name
[22:49] <nxvl> or a derivative of it
[22:50] <nxvl> pwnguin: there is always people who think they own the truth
[22:50] <wgrant> But his arguments are infallible!
[22:50] <wgrant> "You're wrong, I'm right."
[22:51] <pwnguin> this feels like an argument
[22:51] <nxvl> like the guy who insult me 2 or 3 days ago in -server because i didn't understand why he wanted to have a graphical environmet on his server
[22:52] <nxvl> the funniest thing was that he was expecting help from me after calling me a noob
[22:52]  * slangasek nudges the conversation in a more on-topic direction.  So, how about all that PAM breakage this week? :-)
[22:53] <nxvl> slangasek: it's broken?
[22:53] <slangasek> nxvl: you tell me ;)
[22:53] <nxvl> i don't run intrepid
[22:53] <pwnguin> psh
[22:53] <nxvl> other than in a VM
[22:54] <nxvl> and use it only for development and testing
[22:54] <pwnguin> there was a strange debconf question
[22:54] <nxvl> i will upgrade to intrepid next week
[22:54] <nxvl> or 2 weeks from now on
[22:54] <nxvl> upgrading before FF is a nightmare
[22:54] <pwnguin> it nuked my thinkfinger stuff, but i need to try out fprint anyways
[22:55] <slangasek> pwnguin: strange, like it was confusing and should be revised?
[22:55] <nxvl> slangasek: btw, what is exactly the work of the release team?
[22:55] <pwnguin> slangasek: well, i had a modified config, it asked if i wanted to change that
[22:56] <pwnguin> ive got debconf set to a lower than usual priority
[22:56] <pwnguin> ie not default
[22:56] <slangasek> nxvl: broadly, "keep things on track"
[22:56] <nxvl> slangasek: as in?
[22:56] <slangasek> pwnguin: well, if you have a modified config, you'll see the question even at default priority
[22:56] <nxvl> i have the feeling that it involves a lot of QA work
[22:56] <slangasek> nxvl: yes
[22:57] <pwnguin> slangasek: im just wondering what changed
[22:57] <nxvl> slangasek: so you work really close to the QA team
[22:57] <nxvl> or it's a different QA work?
[22:57] <slangasek> keeping a handle on ISO testing so we know when milestones are ready, escalating bugs when they need to be to get them fixed, tracking bug nominations and triaging (in the "decide what should be given priority" sense)
[22:58] <slangasek> nxvl: there is definitely work with the QA team, yes, though for the most part we work in parallel (which spares having either group block the other)
[22:58] <slangasek> there's also archive QAing, to make sure packages are all installable and up-to-date
[22:58] <slangasek> pwnguin: the pam-config-framework spec
[22:58] <slangasek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PAMConfigFrameworkSpec
[22:58] <nxvl> so, it's something like take a cord and start hitting the developers to go in the right direction as quick as possible
[22:58] <nxvl> :P
[22:59] <pwnguin> slangasek: well, if it works, it seems like a good idea :-)
[23:00] <slangasek> nxvl: I find that whippings are not the most effective means of motivating developers; otherwise, sure ;)
[23:00] <pwnguin> slangasek: the spec demands a copy of local modifciations be preserved. where might that be?
[23:01] <slangasek> pwnguin: /etc/pam.d/common-*.pam-old; however, I have one bug in that area which will have clobbered the mods in certain cases if you've already upgraded
[23:01] <slangasek> (sorry :/)
[23:01] <pwnguin> ok
[23:01] <pwnguin> its easy
[23:01] <pwnguin> dont worry
[23:01] <slangasek> the fix for that will be uploaded tomorrow, right after I finish writing the missing manpage
[23:01] <nxvl> slangasek: heh, yeah, but it;s funnier said that way
[23:01] <nxvl> :P
[23:01] <pwnguin> i was just wondering what all changed but i need to mess with fprint anyways
[23:02] <slangasek> it would be ideal to have the fingerprinting modules integrated with this for intrepid too, then you can get your config back automagically :)
[23:05] <slangasek> ok, I'm off to work on laying a floor; say hi to Paddy for me when he comes back