[00:00] <aaron> kewl another question my monitors supports 1900x1200 res
[00:01] <aaron> how can i add this to my monitor resolutions highest one there now is 1600x1200
[00:01] <eden06> flaccid: not a bad idea, I'll look into it, what's the cheat code to boot to tty?
[00:01] <TheMaxzilla> Hey guys, How can I change my default browser to Firefox?
[00:02] <flaccid> eden06: ctrl+alt+f2
[00:02] <TheMaxzilla> It's been bugging me lately.
[00:02] <flaccid> TheMaxzilla: default applications in system settings
[00:02] <TheMaxzilla> Thanks
[00:02] <b3ny0-> how to view/change charset in irssi-client?
[00:02] <lordofpottatos> ubuntu+1
[00:03] <lordofpottatos> Hi..!
[00:03] <lordofpottatos> #ubuntu+1
[00:03] <TheMaxzilla> Hello, lordofpottatoes. What do you need?
[00:04] <lordofpottatos> nothing i am ok
[00:04] <lordofpottatos> thanx
[00:04] <TheMaxzilla> Okay. Don't spam...
[00:05] <lordofpottatos> I was trying to find how I go to a new server
[00:05] <lordofpottatos> but i found it
[00:12] <YAOMTC> Oh, another question. Would there be any faster way to get characters like the euro or pound symbol than going into the character map?
[00:13] <YAOMTC> On ol' Windows, for instance, I'd be able to enter the Alt+xxxx
[00:13] <flaccid> YAOMTC: might have more luck in #kde
[00:14] <YAOMTC> Okay, thanks
[00:15] <YAOMTC> Oh wait... kde.org uses freenode?
[00:16] <YAOMTC> Yeah... #kde on freenode and #kde on kde.org are exactly the same
[00:16] <YAOMTC> Like a redirect or something
[00:16] <Hydrogen> irc.kde.org points to freenode
[00:16] <YAOMTC> Right.
[00:19] <anom01y> I need some help with my sound system,
[00:20] <anom01y> the problem consists of more than one question,
[00:22] <anom01y> basically whenever I reset the computer it will have a 50/50 chance of correctly loading kmix
[00:22] <Mark__> hi to  everybody
[00:23] <Mark__> i have this problem, and i'd be grateful if somebody can help me to solve it
[00:23] <anom01y> either kmix shows itself correctly or 50% of the time it will not show correctly and it does not display any of the channels
[00:23] <flaccid> anom01y: run kmix from konsole and see the problem. also try to ask/respond on 1 line please
[00:24] <anom01y> like I said the problem is a multi question problem
[00:24] <Mark__> no device is recognised in knetwork manager, perhaps after updating kio-umountwrapper, i'm not sure... i'm using both kde 3.5 and kde 4.1
[00:24] <anom01y> kmix shows no errors from konsole, as it thinks its loading correctly, but its not loading correclty because there is only a few volume slides showing and no input slides at all
[00:25] <anom01y> the only way I can fix it is by resetting the computer
[00:25] <flaccid> anom01y: you can ask more than 1 question on 1 line :)
[00:26] <flaccid> !bugs | Mark__
[00:26] <anom01y> yeah I barely am able to get any help here anyways so
[00:26] <flaccid> anom01y: that sounds like a complaint
[00:28] <Mark__> thanks, i'll provide a report, the fact is i'm not sure, i have done a dist-upgrade, anyway can u or anyother suggest me something in the meantime
[00:28] <Mark__> ?
[00:29] <flaccid> Mark__: only to run knetworkmanager from konsole to see what it spits out and use another manager like wicd or something for now
[00:30] <linux_> всем привет
[00:30] <flaccid> !ru | linux_
[00:30] <Hydrogen> ubottu: english only!
[00:30] <Hydrogen> c'mon dood
[00:30] <Hydrogen> you know better
[00:30] <flaccid> !botabuse | Hydrogen
[00:31] <flaccid> :O
[00:31] <Hydrogen> well, considdering I did none of that
[00:31] <Hydrogen> I guess I'm safe
[00:31] <flaccid> but hopefully you have common sense
[00:31] <Mark__> ok, when i run from terminal, it only starts the program w/o messages in konsole, thanks flaccid
[00:32] <flaccid> Mark__: ok cool go with a bug report. is this for wireless or wired interface(s) ?
[00:32] <linux_> Народ есть ли под Linux переводчики ?
[00:33] <flaccid> linux_: please leave or use english
[00:33] <Mark__> flaccid: wireless
[00:33] <flaccid> Mark__: does iwlist scanning work in konsole to show APs ?
[00:36] <shepp> Hello I moved my home folders around  NOW all my /home/brian  Folders show on the desktop
[00:36] <Mark__> flaccid: it says "interface doesn't support scannong", i think it refers to l0 and eth0, :-(
[00:37] <flaccid> Mark__: yes it will do all interfaces, so only look under your wireless device listing in the result. also do it under sudo to see if there is a difference
[00:39] <Mark__> flaccid: no difference! :-*
[00:39] <flaccid> Mark__: is your wirless device listed however?
[00:40] <YAOMTC> Oh, that character question I asked earlier? It's been a wishlist request for 3 years now actually. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103788
[00:41] <anom01y> !alsa
[00:41] <Mark__> which is the right cmd, "iwlist scanning"? and what i should see? when i write iwlist scanning it only shows the message l0 and eth0 interface doesn't support...
[00:42] <flaccid> Mark__: if eth0 is your wired ethernet then it deosn't look like you have a working wireless interface...
[00:44] <Mark__> flaccid: i really don't know exactly what happened! thanks anyway
[00:45] <flaccid> um to me it looks like your wireless interface doesn't exist so its broken in some way. i would check the system logs to see the problem and or reinstall the driver etc. from the relevent guide for your chipset on the ubuntu wiki
[00:45] <flaccid> Mark__: ^^
[00:45] <anom01y> how do I completely reinstall alsa and all its configuration files (reinstall / reconfigure alsa), because its completely confused and 50% of the time my computer boots up kmix will only show a portion of the volume slides that it does the other 50% of the time. ?
[00:46] <flaccid> anom01y: i doubt it will fix your problem but sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-utils
[00:47] <anom01y> what a stupid problem there is no solution it seems but to reinstall my whole operating system lol
[00:47] <flaccid> it can be like that sometimes. but you should submit a bug and provide detail and screenshots so this problem can be fixed
[00:54] <HighHo> anom01y: have you looked in alsamixer in konsol, maybe its kmix issue?
[00:55] <anom01y> HighHo: alsamixer has always given me a problem and I've never actually even seen it work
[00:55] <babeck> I'm trying to compile subcommander (http://subcommander.tigris.org/), but it fails looking for APR.  Does anyone know which package I may have to install to satisfy that dependency?
[00:55] <wharf> Hi there, what channel should i go to, for help on running games on linux
[00:55] <anom01y> lsemple@TIR:~$ alsamixer
[00:55] <anom01y> alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument
[00:56] <mrksbrd> wharf: #kubuntu-offtopic
[00:56] <dennister> BIG problem folks: no soundcard listed, although lspci -v notes the one i know is present
[00:56] <anom01y> wharf: #winehq
[00:57] <laico> hello i am trying to install rt3570 drivers put when i try to make install it says /lib/modules/2.6.21.5/build no such file or directory
[00:57] <laico> rt2570
[00:57] <dennister> did the stuff in comprehensive sound problems...reinstalled alsa from "fresh kernel" still nada
[00:58] <dennister> doing a lsmod only shows emu10k1_gp...not the emu10k1 itself
[00:58] <HighHo> anom01y: as suggested try just reinstalling the alsa packages if you havent yet, libasound2 alsa-base and alsa-utils
[00:59] <anom01y> HighHo: I think its because my tv-card gets slot 0 50% of the time I reboot, and the other 50% my onboard sound card gets slot 0 (therefore kmix works properly)
[01:00] <flaccid> anom01y: it doesn't look like the driver has a mixer, have you submitted the bug report yet? repeating here probably is not going to help. your problem is not common.
[01:00] <flaccid> laico: install linux-source
[01:00] <laico> thx
[01:01] <anom01y> flaccid: I would do what you suggested but I do not have enough information yet to submit a bug report, I barely even know what questions to ask yet
[01:02] <flaccid> screenshots and description are suffice, plus you can also include dmesg output
[01:02] <flaccid> anom01y: also aplay output would be good
[01:04] <flaccid> anom01y: aplay -v /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
[01:06] <anom01y> flaccid: I get static noise
[01:07] <anom01y> I tried it on a mp3 and I get static noise aswell
[01:08] <flaccid> anom01y: so your problem is soley with the mixer right, which soundcard is this?
[01:08] <flaccid> you have the error for that to go in the bug report. but you sure you had a mixer before with this soundcard?
[01:08] <anom01y> well I have an onboard intel sound card, and a tv/tuner card that I am considering removing from the computer
[01:09] <flaccid> but have you had the mixer before?
[01:09] <flaccid> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/81975
[01:09] <anom01y> and I think the reason why kmix loads properly only 50% of the time after rebooting is because the tv/tuner is getting slot 0 half the time, and the other half the onboard is getting slot 0
[01:10] <flaccid> anom01y: this could just be default soundcard problem ie. its trying to load the tv tuner mixer. please pastebin aplay -l; aplay -L
[01:10] <anom01y> flaccid: yes it was just working properly today before I reset the computer, and if I reset the computer right now it will be working properly, but if I reset it again it will not
[01:10] <flaccid> sounds like your sound devices are swapping each other each boot for default or something
[01:10] <flaccid> see bug report above as well
[01:12] <dennister> it's been a long time since i had to compile alsa drivers for a emu10k1 card...
[01:13] <anom01y> flaccid: http://pastebin.ca/1183836
[01:13] <flaccid> tats only 1 of the commands
[01:14] <flaccid> oh sorry i see
[01:15] <flaccid> anom01y: i can only see 1 soundcard there which looks like your soundcard. can you see the tv tuner, i can't..
[01:15] <flaccid> you could compare this command on the reboot as well to see the difference
[01:15] <flaccid> ie. when its working and when its not working
[01:16] <anom01y> ok I will be right back
[01:17] <flaccid> k
[01:17] <wharf> flaccid: you any good with wine?
[01:17] <wharf> lol
[01:18] <wharf> i asked for help in wine channel but the problem didnt get resolved
[01:18] <wharf> lol
[01:18] <EagleScreen> is wubi compatible with Windows 95?
[01:18] <dennister> wharf: that's the case with lots of other channels :)
[01:18] <flaccid> yes i drink lots of it :)
[01:18] <wharf> dennister: lol
[01:19] <wharf> anyone any good with it?
[01:19] <wharf> :P
[01:19] <flaccid> EagleScreen: nope
[01:19] <wharf> Just wana run a command and conquer installation using wine
[01:19] <wharf> but wine wont open it at all
[01:19] <flaccid> well you don't open wine, you run programs with it
[01:19] <flaccid> what are you trying to achieve?
[01:20] <wharf> trying to install a command and conquer demo
[01:20] <wharf> i run cnc setup along with wine
[01:20] <wharf> in the console it says it can not start it
[01:20] <wharf> and says
[01:20] <wharf> invalid parameters
[01:21] <flaccid> !enter | wharf
[01:21] <wharf> haha
[01:21] <flaccid> wharf: perhaps its not compatible with wine, did you check the appdb
[01:21] <wharf> no but i found this shown on the wine website
[01:21] <laico> flaccid: hey now that your takigna bout wine you know how to run punkbuster in wine so i can play cod4
[01:21] <anom01y> flaccid: ok I reset, and kmix is working again
[01:21] <flaccid> wharf: http://appdb.winehq.org/search_results.php?cx=013271970634691685804%3Abc-56dvxydi&cof=FORID%3A11&q=command+and+conquer&sa=Search
[01:21] <anom01y> what where those two commands again ?
[01:22] <wharf> flaccid: thats the site i been on
[01:22] <flaccid> anom01y: check the appdb and go from there. i mean if you go by that and google and it doesn't work then its obviously not supported yet. nothing i can do to make wine work with anything..
[01:23] <flaccid> wharf: link me to the specific version on the appdb please
[01:23] <wharf> version of wine?
[01:24] <anom01y> flaccid: ok well there was no differences anyways in those two commands when kmix was working and when it wasnt working
[01:24] <flaccid> wharf: no of c&c
[01:24] <anom01y> both had exact same output
[01:24] <wharf> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=7155
[01:25] <flaccid> anom01y: check dmesg and /var/log/messages for each to see if there is anything there that could help like an error. otherwise i would test with taking out the tv tuner from the computer. failing all that i guess you might have to wait for the bug to be looked at
[01:26] <anom01y> flaccid: I had the tv card working before, but are they very supported in Linux ?
[01:26] <EagleScreen> anom01y if you buy a card compatible with Linux: YES
[01:26] <flaccid> wharf: the invalid params issue is talkinga bout on the comments on that page
[01:26] <anom01y> actually, better question: how do I set up the tv card, and how do I prevent alsa from loading it as slot 0 instead of slot one
[01:27] <flaccid> anom01y: depends on model etc.
[01:27] <anom01y> its a haupaugge and I had it working in Debian
[01:27] <flaccid> generally googling the model etc. and checking the dmesg to see if its supported out of box. use tvtime to test and check if /dev/video0 exists already..
[01:28] <flaccid> wharf: solution is on that page, you just didn't read it :) http://appdb.winehq.org/commentview.php?iAppId=4671&iVersionId=7155&iThreadId=18767
[01:29] <wharf> reading
[01:29] <wharf> im near the bottom :\
[01:30] <wharf> loads of codes and stuff are making me confused
[01:30] <wharf> haha
[01:30] <tony_> my cpu usage is 44% but it's not showing what's using it. anyone know how?
[01:30] <flaccid> wharf: 1 line please
[01:30] <flaccid> tony_: ksysguard or top in konsole
[01:30] <tony_> flaccid: ok, top's showing it's kwin, wtf?
[01:31] <flaccid> dang
[01:31] <flaccid> thats the window manager
[01:31] <tony_> every time i install linux, it uses more resources than vista. i have an oc'ed q6600 quad with 4gigs and 8800gt
[01:31] <wharf> ok sorry, found it, reading
[01:31] <flaccid> tony_: which video driver are you using?
[01:31] <tony_> people have to stop hyping linux, it's really disappointing when you finally install it
[01:31] <tony_> flaccid: 177, i think
[01:32] <flaccid> its also dissapointing when people assume the problem is linux and havnt worked out what the actual problem is. and kwin is not linux its part of kde
[01:32] <tony_> it was fine at one time, until i recently checked
[01:32] <tony_> ...which is part of linux
[01:33] <flaccid> no linux is a kernel and its not part of it
[01:33] <flaccid> the problem could well be nvidia's driver with your card...
[01:33] <tony_> yes, kwin runs on top of the kernel, it's a part of it
[01:33] <flaccid> still don't assume like that, its not a good idea
[01:33] <tony_> yes, could be nvidia
[01:33] <flaccid> no its not a part of the kernel
[01:33] <flaccid> exactly.
[01:33] <pablovicente> Hi i wanna install Kubuntu, i download the ISO, and i 'm gonna burn it with k3b, and when i look to the recording speed,i see that can't burn lower than 12x, help!
[01:34] <flaccid> this is why i ask what driver you are using. have you even check the logs for errors?
[01:34] <tony_> still, maybe not kubuntu's fault but i can't keep googling this crap all the time
[01:34] <geek_> pablovicente: just let it burn at that speed then
[01:34] <pablovicente> but i has problems before, it says with another cd : buffer i/0 error on device sr0
[01:34] <tony_> kubuntu's working awesome now, but those little let downs piss me off cuz i really want to start using it
[01:35] <flaccid> google won't help, you have to look at the logs and rule out the problem if possible
[01:35] <flaccid> tony_: complaining won't fix the problem :)
[01:36] <tony_> flaccid: idk how to do that. there's hundreds of log files in linux afaik
[01:36] <flaccid> tony_: /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog /var/log/Xorg.0.log /var/log/kdm.log
[01:37] <pablovicente> please what meeans Buffer Error I/0 on device sr0 when i try to install kubuntu
[01:37] <pablovicente> ?
[01:37] <tony_> i'm using kde 4.1 and kubuntu alpha 4. it's looking sweet and working great for an alpha but kde 4.1 is a big a download as the alpha so i went with it
[01:37] <flaccid> pablovicente: usually means hardware problem/damage
[01:37] <pablovicente> that means that i can't install it?
[01:38] <flaccid> tony_: this is not the channel for kde4 support, also if you are using alpha software i would expect this behaviour
[01:39] <pablovicente> ok well i would have to stay with my XP then!!!
[01:39] <pablovicente> thenks anyway
[01:39] <flaccid> sweet as
[01:39] <flaccid> np
[01:40] <tony_> flaccid: those log files seem to be huge for me, it's no option
[01:40] <Dr_willis> pablovicente,  of the disk was burnt badly/wrong
[01:40] <flaccid> thats too bad
[01:40] <pablovicente> i burn it with k3b
[01:40] <Dr_willis> pablovicente,  but if this is affecting several disks.. it sounds luiek the cd drive may be going bad/dirty
[01:40] <Dr_willis> Or could be a loose/bad cable
[01:41] <pablovicente> how do i clean it?
[01:41] <pablovicente> i check the cable that's not it
[01:41] <Dr_willis> try the disks in another pc also, and check the md5sums on them to verify they are good.
[01:41] <wharf> flaccid: i been trying to use extractor software, none of them saw the exe
[01:41] <pablovicente> i did
[01:42] <wharf> i downloaded a few as well
[01:42] <pablovicente> thenks anyway i gonna keep using wubi
[01:42] <Dr_willis> I would rather run linux in virtualbox. then use wubi... :) but whatever you want.
[01:43] <pablovicente> i'm a total rookie i don't work with partitions or that stuff
[01:43] <pablovicente> i can keep using wubi for long time?
[01:43] <Dr_willis> with virtualbox you dont have to either. :)
[01:43] <pablovicente> i have just 36 GB space
[01:43] <Dr_willis> I dont use wubi. i dont reccomend it.. :) so i cant support it..
[01:44] <flaccid> wharf: saw ?
[01:44] <pablovicente> ok thenks anyway
[01:45] <Dr_willis> I would be keeping an eye on that optical drive..  and be sure to verify stuff you burn with it.
[01:45] <jimmy51_home> how can i see what kind of NIC my machine has?
[01:45] <Dr_willis> lspci perhaps, check the dmesg logs, ?
[01:45] <Dr_willis> I think thers some other command.. but i forget what it was.
[01:45] <jimmy51_home> lspci looks like it did it
[01:46] <Dr_willis> sudo lshw
[01:46] <Dr_willis> also has info
[01:47] <Dr_willis> sudo lshw -c network
[01:47] <Dr_willis> might work best. :)
[01:48] <wharf> thanks flaccid,uve been a great help
[01:48] <wharf> its extracted
[01:48] <flaccid> cool
[01:49] <jimmy51_home> thanks Dr_willis
[01:49] <jimmy51_home> rebooting :)
[01:51] <Reed_Solomon> I recently tried running the latest kubuntu with kde4 (64 bit version) and for some strange reason TKIP WPA2 does not work.  It connects to the router, and has an IP and everything, but i get a "cannot resolve" error, I can't even connect to the router itself at its IP.  any ideas?  I actually have mythbuntu installed, and kubuntu running from the live CD, and I get the same problem both times.  If I turn off encryption, things
[01:51] <Reed_Solomon> work fine... I have a laptop running regular 32 bit kubuntu which is connecting fine via that usb stick
[01:52] <Reed_Solomon> I've tried using knetwork manager and the gnome network manager and even wicd, same result.
[01:56] <flaccid> !bugs | Reed_Solomon
[01:57] <flaccid> but Reed_Solomon lets do some basic troubleshooting. what is the error you get when you ping the router IP ?
[01:57] <skone> hi
[01:59] <hades_> hi
[02:00] <hades_> ola
[02:00] <Reed_Solomon> ping 192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
[02:00] <RosaBranca> boas noites
[02:01] <hades_> boas :)
[02:01] <Reed_Solomon> then icmp_seq=1 destination host unreachable
[02:01] <Reed_Solomon> from 192.168.2.2
[02:03] <flaccid> can you ping 192.168.2.2 ?
[02:03] <Reed_Solomon> yep
[02:03] <flaccid> what is in your arp -a
[02:03] <flaccid> and /etc/resolv.conf
[02:03] <Reed_Solomon> though I can't ping it from other computers
[02:04] <Reed_Solomon> ? (192.168.2.1) at 00:1c:DF:20:9D:9B [ether] on eth2 then 2.5 at <incomplete> x2
[02:05] <flaccid> you can't ping it from other computers? what OS are they and is it the same problem?
[02:05] <Reed_Solomon> its kubuntu 32 bit on a laptop that im typing on
[02:05] <Reed_Solomon> works fine
[02:06] <flaccid> you just said you can't ping it from other computers
[02:06] <Reed_Solomon> i should maybe dl the latest 32 bit kubuntu
[02:06] <Reed_Solomon> no i mean it works fine connecting to the internet
[02:06] <flaccid> could be something wrong with your route table, not sure
[02:06] <Reed_Solomon> it wont ping to 2.2 though.  only one that can ping to that one is the main computer itself
[02:06] <Reed_Solomon> the desktop that is
[02:07] <Reed_Solomon> im using a wireless router
[02:07] <Reed_Solomon> ill download the latest kubuntu 32 bit  version and try running it on the desktop
[02:07] <Reed_Solomon> see what happens
[02:08] <Reed_Solomon> if it works then it might just be specific to the 64 bit
[02:09] <flaccid> quite possible. i've seen network problems like this reported on 64bit
[02:09] <Reed_Solomon> fyi it works fine if i take off security on the router
[02:09] <Samuel1> Do 32bit network cards work on 64 bit OS?
[02:10] <Reed_Solomon> if i turn off WPA/WPA2
[02:10] <Reed_Solomon> Samuel oh sure
[02:10] <Samuel1> Then why would anybody want to pay lots of money to get a 64bit network card?
[02:10] <Reed_Solomon> isn't the pcmcia bus 16 bit
[02:10] <flaccid> yeah so could be something wrong with wpa supplicant and 64bit or the driver under wpa etc.
[02:11] <flaccid> Samuel1: thats off topic
[02:14] <Reed_Solomon> well ill try the 32 bit version anyways and mess with the router a bit.
[02:14] <Reed_Solomon> thanks
[02:14] <flaccid> yeah um its rare that a person doesn't have problems with 64bit in some way so it looks like a good suspect
[02:14] <jaume> oo
[02:15] <Reed_Solomon> well thats interesting
[02:15] <Reed_Solomon> i turned it to the WPA-PSK only setting, and that worked
[02:15] <Reed_Solomon> ill try only WPA-PSK2 setting and see if that works too
[02:15] <jaume> hola
[02:15] <jaume> hello
[02:15] <Reed_Solomon> err wpa2-psk
[02:16] <flaccid> yeah maybe the tkip support is dodgy with networkmanager or something
[02:16] <jaume> hola
[02:16] <jaume> hola
[02:16] <jaume> hola
[02:16] <jaume> hola
[02:16] <flaccid> !es | jaume
[02:16] <Reed_Solomon> but at the very least that works well enough with me
[02:16] <flaccid> actually let me check my settings, i have done the same thing
[02:17] <Reed_Solomon> nah network manager isnt the problem, as I tried wicd too
[02:17] <flaccid> sorry i meant wpa supplicant
[02:17] <flaccid> um this could be the reason why i use psk myself, kind of sounds familiar now hmm
[02:18] <Reed_Solomon> heh
[02:19] <Reed_Solomon> yeah the problem seems to be with WPA2-PSK
[02:19] <Reed_Solomon> as if I have WPA-PSK it works, but if I go to WPA2-PSK it fails in 64 bit
[02:19] <flaccid> right
[02:19] <Reed_Solomon> works fine in 32 though
[02:19] <Reed_Solomon> go figure
[02:19] <flaccid> i guess submit a bug for wpa supplicant then
[02:19] <Reed_Solomon> ah well better that than nothing
[02:20] <georgy> всем привет
[02:21] <flaccid> !ru | georgy
[02:21] <Reed_Solomon> I dunno if thats bug file -worthy
[02:21] <Reed_Solomon> they probably know about it
[02:21] <flaccid> i wouldn't assume that
[02:22] <flaccid> Reed_Solomon: only one that i can find that could be related is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/134034
[02:23] <Reed_Solomon> thats kinda vague
[02:23] <Reed_Solomon> fine ill file a bug report
[02:23] <Reed_Solomon> sigh
[02:24] <flaccid> you don't have to but if it gets addressed you would be helping other users
[02:24] <Reed_Solomon> yeah I know
[02:25] <Reed_Solomon> I find the process tedious
[02:25] <Reed_Solomon> thats all
[02:25] <flaccid> yeah it can be but i try to raise a bug for every little thing that can be classed as a bug because ubuntu is full of issues heh
[02:26] <rhonin> any speak spanish? i need some helping
[02:26] <rhonin> holas
[02:26] <Reed_Solomon> well ill try updating before filing anything
[02:26] <rhonin> alguien habla español
[02:26] <rhonin> ¿?
[02:26] <flaccid> !es | rhonin
[02:26] <flaccid> cool
[02:27] <Reed_Solomon> kde 4.1 is pretty spiffy though.  4.2 will rock
[02:29] <Dr_willis> Im waiting for kde 5.1 :)
[02:29] <buckethead> When will that be? 2015? :P
[02:30] <Reed_Solomon> the thing I hate about kde 5.1 is the direct cable up my nose, the olefactory addons are quite buggy, when you smell virtual flowers a lot of times they smell like feces
[02:30] <buckethead> Yeah, That feature has been known to turn alot of users *off*
[02:30] <buckethead> Especially since its the startup scent.
[02:36]  * Dr_willis recall his force feedback mouse from ages ago...
[02:37] <seba> Hola!
[02:37] <seba> se habla español en este chat¿?
[02:37] <Pici> !es | seba
[02:37] <seba> thanks
[03:12] <seba> disculpen. me dan de nuevo los link para entrar a Kubuntu y Ubuntu en español
[03:14] <p_quarles> !es | seba
[03:14] <Pici> hes gone
[03:14] <p_quarles> d'oh
[03:15] <Pici> ;)
[03:23] <hayden> Greetings, gentlemen... I could use some help with CIFS/Samba.
[03:23] <hayden> (And ladies)
[03:25] <seba> hola, alguien me pude dar el link de kubuntu español, gracias
[03:27] <buckethead> hayden: Whats troubling you?
[03:27] <tacosarecool> hello
[03:27] <tacosarecool> What's the difference between a archive zip and a zip archive?
[03:27] <hayden> buckethead: I have a samba share set up on my OpenSuse box, and I have it mounted on my Kubuntu box using FStab.
[03:28] <hayden> buckethead: However, there's some strange permissions error that occurs. When I move folders into this mounted share, I get a permissions error the first time when it creates the folder, but the second time the files copy fine.
[03:28] <buckethead> Over my level, I think.
[03:28] <hayden> tacosarecool: I was wondering this earlier today. Perhaps an archive zip is a zip file with 0% compression?
[03:28] <seba>  hola, alguien me pude dar el link de kubuntu español, gracias
[03:29] <buckethead> Let me try it real quick.
[03:29] <hayden> seba: #kubuntu-es
[03:33] <buckethead> hayden: I have no problems whatsoever, but my smb.conf is rather barebones. My only recommendation would be to rebuild your smb.conf. Your past my skills, sorry.
[03:33] <flaccid> hayden: paste the entry from mount please
[03:33] <hayden> buckethead: I just reinstalled SuSE on the server box... it must be something local. But I doubt I'm past your skills :P
[03:33] <hayden> /192.168.1.250/hayden	/home/hayden/Server	cifs	username=hayden,password=************,rw,exec,uid=hayden,gid=hayden,umask=0007	0 0
[03:34] <buckethead> I've been doing this for three months. I'm just the bored on sunday guy that has nothing to do.
[03:34] <flaccid> hayden: unmount the share, add the users options and take out the umask and then mount it with user hayden and not root
[03:35] <hayden> flaccid: How do I go about mounting it as user hayden?
[03:35] <flaccid> hayden: mount /home/hayden/Server
[03:35] <hayden> flaccid: Ah. Heheh.
[03:36] <flaccid> also befor you mount it again ensure that the mountpoint has sufficient write perms for you and is owned by you
[03:36] <hayden> flaccid: OK, mounted... but still the same odd problem.
[03:37] <flaccid> show me the perms on the dir in question please
[03:37] <hayden> When copying directory trees it gets all messed up
[03:37] <flaccid> messed up?
[03:37] <hayden> I try copying over a folder called audio with subfolders "GUI, weapons, etc."
[03:37] <hayden> It makes the audio folder
[03:37] <hayden> But then stops and says
[03:37] <hayden> Access denied to /home/hayden/Server/Sound/audio/gui.
[03:38] <flaccid> hayden: what is the output of file  /home/hayden/Server/Sound/audio/gui; ls -l  /home/hayden/Server/Sound/audio/gui ?
[03:38] <hayden> If I try it again, the GUI folder is created fine.
[03:38] <flaccid> also what are you copying with?
[03:38] <hayden> flaccid: Konqueror
[03:39] <hayden> /home/hayden/Server/Sound/audio/gui: directory
[03:39] <hayden> total 0
[03:40] <flaccid> and ls -l?
[03:40] <hayden> It just outputs "total 0"
[03:41] <flaccid> sorry ls -ld  /home/hayden/Server/Sound/audio/gui
[03:41] <hayden> drwxr-xr-x 2 hayden hayden 0 2008-08-24 21:39 /home/hayden/Server/Sound/audio/gui
[03:42] <flaccid> now run touch  /home/hayden/Server/Sound/audio/gui/test.txt
[03:42] <hayden> flaccid: OK, no output.
[03:42] <flaccid> i've witnessed this before. i bet if you copy with say cp -Rv in konsole you won't have the problem
[03:43] <hayden> flaccid: Just tried it and got a bunch of permission denied errors.
[03:44] <hayden> cp: cannot create regular file `/home/hayden/Server/Sound/audio/fx/weapons/cg_water2.wav': Permission denied
[03:44] <flaccid> check the perms on each parent folder going up the tree..
[03:44] <hayden> However running that seemed to create all of the directories
[03:44] <hayden> It just didn't copy over the files
[03:44] <buckethead> Darn you hayden, You reminded me I was planning on reworking my smb.conf.
[03:45] <hayden> buckethead: Heheh.
[03:45] <flaccid> so it can create folders but not files. what is the entry in mount when its mounted?
[03:46] <hayden> /192.168.1.250/hayden	/home/hayden/Server	cifs	users,username=hayden,password=samsonite171,rw,exec,uid=hayden,gid=hayden	0 0
[03:46] <hayden> flaccid: Based on previous behavior, I bet that if I run the command again it will copy the files.
[03:46] <flaccid> hayden: that looks like fstab to me, i asked for mount
[03:46] <hayden> Ah
[03:46] <hayden> /192.168.1.250/hayden on /home/hayden/Server type cifs (rw,nosuid,nodev,username=hayden,password=samsonite171,uid=1000,gid=1000)
[03:47] <hayden> Oops
[03:47] <hayden> Forgot to star out the password... everyone Ssh!
[03:47] <flaccid> you should use credentials=/home/hayden/.smbcredentials so the pass is not in your fstab
[03:48] <hayden> flaccid: I don't really mind since I'm the only one (usually) looking at my fstab.
[03:48] <flaccid> considering perms seem fine etc. i reckon the problem is more likely server side
[03:49] <hayden> flaccid: I just re-installed SuSE on the server... I was having this problem before the re-install too.
[03:49] <hayden> flaccid: Do you think NFS would be a better choice?
[03:50] <flaccid> maybe, you could give it a go of course
[03:50] <hayden> flaccid: How do I get it to authenticate me as the server-side hayden user?
[03:51] <flaccid> you are already doing that
[03:51] <flaccid> im ount like this myself //nas/PUBLIC\040DISK\0401 /media/nas-1 cifs uid=1000,gid=1000,noauto,rw,users,credentials=/etc/fstab_smb_credentials_2 0 0 which is basically the same
[03:52] <flaccid> hayden: you can check the logs on the samba server to see what it is doing
[03:52] <hayden> flaccid: I mean with NFS
[03:52] <flaccid> never used nfs
[03:52] <flaccid> !nfs
[03:52] <hayden> Ah.
[03:53] <hayden> flaccid: The log doesn't mention anything except my connect and disconnect.
[03:54] <hayden> Should I have both smbd and nmbd running at once?
[03:55] <flaccid> yeah. and its connecting as the right user?
[03:55] <flaccid> also check the perms are sufficient for that user server side
[03:55] <hayden> Yeah... "connect to service hayden initially as user hayden"
[03:56] <flaccid> also show me the entry of the share in a pastebin from testparm  on the server
[03:56] <flaccid> or the whole smb.conf
[03:56] <marcello> BOSTA
[03:57] <hayden> http://paste.ubuntu.com/40321/
[03:57] <hayden> The odd thing is that everything copies OK the second time around
[03:58] <flaccid> could be some sec policy of opensuse or finer detail posix perms on the server not sure
[03:58] <hayden> flaccid: Well previously I had Fedora installed and was having the same issue.
[03:59] <hayden> On the server, that is.
[03:59] <buckethead> fedora.. *shiver*
[03:59] <hayden> buckethead: It *used* to be good.
[03:59] <flaccid> well you are doing the wrong thing to share home dirs
[04:00] <hayden> flaccid: I have a seperate hayden share at the very bottom of the file
[04:01] <flaccid> thats not the right way. do it like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40322/
[04:01] <flaccid> inherit acl could also be the problem
[04:02] <hayden> I'll try turning that off...
[04:02] <buckethead> Is the password the same? I had that problem once. Was authenticating as buckethead:(windows password) instead of buckethead:(linux password)
[04:03] <hayden> buckethead: I'm fairly certain that the passwords are all the same.
[04:03] <buckethead> Ok. Just a random thought I had.
[04:03] <buckethead> You would know..
[04:04] <hayden> flaccid: OK, I disabled ACLs, restarted the samba server, remounted, and am still getting the same problem.
[04:04] <flaccid> did you use the [homes] share instead of [hayden] ?
[04:04] <hayden> flaccid: I did not...
[04:04] <hayden> flaccid: Should I?
[04:05] <flaccid> thats what i suggested
[04:05] <hayden> Oh
[04:05] <hayden> Sorry... remove the semicolons?
[04:06] <flaccid> yep
[04:07] <hayden> OK
[04:07] <hayden> Now I get total permission denied
[04:07] <hayden> Can't even create new files
[04:07] <flaccid> but you connect as hayden right?
[04:08] <austin_> Could someone please tell me why when I try to run a progran with wine, the desktop goes black  and then the progran window runs normally?
[04:08] <hayden> flaccid: According to the log... yes.
[04:09] <flaccid> hayden: so you restarted server right. can i have a look at the current smb.conf please in pastebin
[04:09] <hayden> http://paste.ubuntu.com/40326/
[04:10] <flaccid> hayden: hmm uncomment the profiles share, restart server and try then
[04:11] <hayden> flaccid: The profiles share appears to be already uncommented.
[04:11] <flaccid> sorry i mean comment
[04:11] <hayden> Ah, K.
[04:12] <hayden> cp: cannot create directory `/home/hayden/Server/Sound/audio/fx': Input/output error
[04:12] <hayden> cp: cannot create regular file `/home/hayden/Server/Sound/audio/T2Intro.wav': Permission denied
[04:12] <flaccid> run ls -ld on the server on the audio and sound folders and see what it says
[04:13] <hayden> drwxrwxrwx 9 hayden hayden 0 2008-08-24 22:03 Sound
[04:13] <hayden> drwxr-xr-x 2 hayden hayden 0 2008-08-24 22:03 audio
[04:14] <flaccid> maybe you can up the log level of samba and it will show you the reason it can't write
[04:17] <master_> hi
[04:17] <master_> ı need for help vdr programing
[04:17] <flaccid> master_: this is not a programming channel sorry
[04:18] <hayden> OK
[04:18] <hayden> THe log file is now ten times longer
[04:18] <hayden> Heh
[04:19] <hayden> locking/locking.c: fetch_share_mode_unlocked(856) fill_share_mode_lock failed
[04:21] <flaccid> that could be it, not sure. any other ones?
[04:21] <flaccid> i'd take this up with #samba people
[04:23] <flaccid> there is only a few reports on google of this with no solution i can see
[04:23] <hayden> flaccid: That's probably a good idea.. The only other errors I've found are the no such file or directory ones
[04:54] <michael> hi
[04:54] <michael> im new to kubuntu and i need help with the effects
[04:57] <Makuseru> !mount
[04:58] <Makuseru> !cue
[04:58] <Makuseru> !bin/cue
[05:09] <Jack3> hey im trying to install kubuntu on my amd64 computer, but the problem is that when it tried to install grub boot loader it said it failed and it was a fatal error
[05:09] <Jack3> this was at the very end of the install
[05:09] <flaccid> !grubfix | Jack3
[05:09] <Jack3> i chose to use XFS as my file system, and also I have 4 other hard drives in the computer, one containing 2 partitions:one  that has vista , one that has xp
[05:09] <flaccid> !fixgrub
[05:10] <Jack3> flaccid, yeah but i said okay to the error and now the screen is just black, the mouse cursor is an x
[05:10] <flaccid> i don't think grub supports xfs so you might need lilo or something
[05:10] <flaccid> so it boots?
[05:11] <Jack3> umm, ill have to restart and see
[05:11] <flaccid> k
[05:12] <Jack3> its still booting to the windows boot manager that lists vista and xp
[05:14] <flaccid> so its probably because grub doesn't support xfs. you can either try to install grub again or install lilo
[05:15] <Jack3> can i install lilo from kubuntu without reinstalling kubuntu ?
[05:15] <Jack3> i mean from the disc can i install it
[05:18] <yamith> hi
[05:19] <flaccid> yep Jack3
[05:19] <flaccid> !lilo
[05:20] <Jack3> flaccid, dont suppose you can help me with that ::P
[05:20] <Jack3> like install it from the livecd
[05:21] <flaccid> Jack3: something to keep in mind https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lilo/+bug/13851
[05:21] <flaccid> its not on the livecd, but its on the alternate and minimal i think. i've done it but we can look at how
[05:22] <flaccid> also https://launchpad.net/bugs/156999
[05:22] <flaccid> Jack3: please see https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/37560
[05:23] <Jack3> eek the link on that page doesnt work :(
[05:24] <kevin_> I have just tried to update and teh package manager tells me that it cannot open. There seeems to be a problem with the medibuntu list 5. Can anyone tell me how to remove medibuntu from the sources list using the command line. I cant access the GUI
[05:24] <Jack3> ah google caught it, yay
[05:24] <flaccid> kevin_: kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:26] <Jack3> flaccid, im still a  little confused, where do i exactly install lilo
[05:26] <Jack3> over the vista bootloader?
[05:26] <flaccid> yep
[05:26] <flaccid> thats 1 component then the files will go in /boot on your xfs probably
[05:27] <Jack3> how do i find where that is exactly?
[05:27] <flaccid> sudo fdisk -l
[05:29] <Jack3> okay well its on /dev/sda
[05:29] <flaccid> cool and then the part will be /dev/sdax
[05:29] <Jack3> and /dev/sda1 is marked Boot, it starts at 1 , Id of 7 and its HPFS/NTFS
[05:29] <Jack3> then i have /dev/sda2 which is marked W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[05:30] <Jack3> and /dev/sda5 which is HPFS/NTFS
[05:30] <Jack3> I know I installed Winxp first so its probably sda1?
[05:30] <flaccid> so you need t make the xfs / linux partition the bootable one
[05:30] <Jack3> do i use lilo for that?
[05:31] <flaccid> its in step 4)
[05:32] <Jack3> and i want lilo to boot from the xfs partition then?
[05:32] <kevin_> Flaccid, done that....I have the kate editor open, also in another terminal I ran sudo apt-get update and got this: E: Malformed line 56 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse)...which is line 56? I am not sure what to do next
[05:33] <Jack3> flaccid, one problem, wheni open parted and hit print, it only lsits /dev/hde, no other hard drives.. how do i tell it to use /dev/sda
[05:34] <flaccid> Jack3: yeah because you can't put it on a ntfs or fat
[05:34] <Jack3> flaccid, so now what?
[05:34] <flaccid> kevin_: press f11 in kate to show line numbers :)
[05:34] <Jack3> flaccid, actually whoops i get you
[05:35] <Jack3> flaccid, still the problem though because /dev/hde is Not my linux hdd
[05:35] <flaccid> Jack3: sudo parted /dev/hda
[05:35] <kevin_> tks, I new you could get the line numbers but did notknow which keys  tp  press
[05:35] <Jack3> its /dev/hdg (hdg1 is XFS, hdg2 swap)
[05:35] <Jack3> flaccid, thnks
[05:35] <Deepthought> I replaced nvidia-9700GS with older FX5200; now when I activate restricted driver x-server won´t start; anything I´m overlooking ?
[05:36] <flaccid> Jack3: you have more than 1 linux partition? you want to boot it on the root linux partition of the linux install which is probably the xfs one right which you say is /dev/hdg ?
[05:36] <Jack3> flaccid, yeah i just did parted /dev/hdg
[05:36] <Jack3> im not sure exactly what /dev/hde is haha
[05:36] <kevin_> deb ftp;//ftp.nerin.net/debian-marillat/ testing main this is line 56, I  think I waaaas trying to get adobe. or something ike that. what shoud I do   now?
[05:37] <flaccid> kevin_: put a # at the start of the line to comment it out, save then fetch updates
[05:37] <kevin_> will do
[05:37] <kevin_> thanks
[05:37] <flaccid> np
[05:38] <kevin_> # space, then save and then fetch updatees.
[05:39] <Jack3> flaccid, okay i got it marked as boot, also did the fdisk command confirmed it is marked now
[05:39] <flaccid> coolio
[05:39] <kevin_> thanks the update is progressing
[05:39] <flaccid> you are on livecd atm?
[05:41] <Jack3> flaccid, yes im on the livecd, i moved to the next step, and when i get to liloconfig
[05:41] <kevin_>  
[05:41] <Jack3> it says sudo:unabled to resolve host ubuntu
[05:41] <Jack3> sudo: liloconfig: command not foudn
[05:41] <flaccid> yeah ignore that warning
[05:41] <flaccid> you have to install lilo first
[05:41] <kevin_> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:42] <kevin_>  Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:42] <flaccid> Jack3: step 1) it is
[05:42] <Jack3> flaccid, should i do step 7 before step 6 then?
[05:42] <kevin_> perhaps I did  not save the kate edit ?
[05:42] <flaccid> kevin_: do you have another package manager running ie. adept or apt-get etc.
[05:42] <flaccid> Jack3: just install lilo package and keep going
[05:42] <kevin_> hmmmm.......................will check
[05:43] <flaccid> kevin_: nope only 1 can use dpkg at a time so you have to close the other one
[05:43] <Jack3> flaccid, I cant do that apt-get install lilo doesnt work (im connected to internet yes)
[05:43] <kevin_> Yeagh....................the original message was still on a screen, sorry. trying agian  now
[05:43] <flaccid> !doesntwork | Jack3
[05:44] <flaccid> !info lilo
[05:44] <Jack3> flaccid, haha i knew that was coming, anyways it says the package lilo is not availble but is referred to by another package this may mean that the package is missing has been obsoleted or is only availble from another source
[05:44] <Jack3> E:package lilo has no installation candidate
[05:45] <flaccid> Jack3: did you run sudo apt-get update first?
[05:45] <Jack3> flaccid, i should mention im stil chrooted into the mounted xfs FS
[05:45] <kevin_> welcome100
[05:45] <flaccid> Jack3: you don't want to do it in that...
[05:45] <Jack3> flaccid, ah okay, how would i do it then, in normal console?
[05:45] <kevin_> update running now flaccid, thanks for your help
[05:45] <flaccid> you can probably just sudo chroot /
[05:46] <flaccid> kevin_: np
[05:46] <austin_> Could someone please tell me what the best  way to convert mp3 to oggs are? Oggconvert only allows me to convert one at a time. :(
[05:47] <flaccid> austin_: soundkonverter
[05:48] <austin_> Thank you very much. I had to reformat today and  I accidently got rid of my windows disk. Luckily my Kubuntu one was still here. I've used it in the past and enjoyed it, but just didn't use it for a longggg time.
[05:48] <flaccid> coolio
[05:48] <austin_> Viruses should be under the dictionary as evil.
[05:48] <Jack3> flaccid, do i need to do something now that i Have lilo isntalled?
[05:48] <Jack3> or just continue with the steps
[05:49] <flaccid> um not sure what you mean, you need to complete the steps to install lilo onto the mbr and hardisk then you reboot. its just like the instructions say
[05:49] <Jack3> okay
[05:49] <flaccid> so liloconfig does both of those just like it says..
[05:50] <flaccid> im doing pretty good for having never used lilo heh well actually i probably did years ago heh
[05:51] <Jack3> oh noes haha
[05:51] <flaccid> i only use grub or the freebsd boot loader
[05:51] <Jack3> ahh
[05:52] <flaccid> why you use Xfs anyway?
[05:54] <Jack3> shit
[05:54] <Jack3> !profanity
[05:54] <flaccid> say poo, its probably accepted here as the one you just said is considered a swear word :O
[05:54] <Jack3> okay
[05:54] <flaccid> poobums!
[05:55] <Jack3> well after i installed it and everything, i went and did the mounting/chroot stuff in the steps
[05:55] <Jack3> and when i type liloconfig its still not found
[05:55] <Jack3> apparently I need to somehow install lilo on that kubuntu
[05:55] <flaccid> probably because you are chrooted
[05:55] <flaccid> let me just check that
[06:00] <flaccid> ah yeah of course so you can't boot into your linux to install grub on that install first
[06:00] <flaccid> so lets think how we can access /usr/sbin/liloconfig from within that chroot. hmm
[06:01] <flaccid> interesting situation
[06:01] <Jack3> =[
[06:03] <flaccid> there must be a param we can pass to the liloconfig command
[06:05] <flaccid> Jack3: hmm come to think of it, if you chroot to the ubuntu install on the hard disk and then sudo apt-get install it, it might work and install it on that system...
[06:05] <flaccid> give that a shot first
[06:06] <Jack3> flaccid, thats the problem, when im chrooted i dont get internet access aparently
[06:07] <Jack3> i tried to run sudo apt-get update under chroot and it failed to resolve all the sources, but works fine ina  normal console
[06:07] <flaccid> Jack3: ah yes. so d/l the .deb and install with dpkg -i
[06:08] <Jack3> how would i download the .deb ?
[06:08] <Jack3> just find it online?
[06:09] <flaccid> yeah it will be on http://packages.ubuntu.com
[06:10] <flaccid> from the looks of it you definately need to be chrooted with liloconfig as it reads fstab. im sure you can install manual and do your own lilo.conf but yeah
[06:10] <flaccid> eg. http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/lilo
[06:11] <Jack3> okay cool
[06:12] <Jack3> i take it i have to download all the depency packages too?
[06:13] <Jack3> actually no, ill just download the packages that apt-get downloaded
[06:13] <Jack3> so just libc6 lillo and mbr
[06:14] <Jack3> flaccid, i take it I need to copy all of these over to some directory on the xfs drive
[06:15] <austin_> This is a stupid question, but I cannot figure it out at all.  How do I make seperate playlists for different albums on Amarok? I've created new playlists, but the same music shows up in each one.
[06:17] <mrksbrd> austin: click on playlist tab....right click on playlist folder & create separate folders for each
[06:17] <flaccid> Jack3: yeah like just /tmp on it or something
[06:18] <flaccid> libc6 will already be on the system iirc
[06:18] <austin_> I did that. But whatever I put in the first folder shows up in the other ones I make as well.
[06:18] <Jack3> flaccid, heh yep thats where i just saved em to :;p
[06:18] <flaccid> so just lilo and mbr pkgs
[06:18] <Jack3> flaccid, okay, well i already downloaded libc6 just in case
[06:18] <flaccid> yeah /tmp will be cleared on boot, but if you boot that means lilo worked heh
[06:20] <Jack3> lol
[06:22] <Jack3> flaccid, by damn i think its workign
[06:22] <austin_> I'm about to beat my head against the table since Amarok hates me.
[06:23] <flaccid> dang
[06:24] <Jack3> flaccid, okay so i just ran liloconfig, and it says Warning: Your /etc/fstab configuration file gives device UUID=eb2347c4-87ea-4b44-8dcd-44060f62ae0c as the root filesystem device. This doesnt look to me like an ordinary block device. Either your fstab is broken and you should fix it, or you are using ahrdware (such as a raid array) which this simple configuration program does not handle.
[06:24] <Jack3> flaccid, i should point out that my 4 hdd's (including the xfs linux one) are connected to a PCI Ide card.
[06:25] <Jack3> flaccid, however my hdd that has winxp and winvista is hooked directly to the motherboard
[06:36] <mrksbrd> jack3: don't know if this will help.... http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-289309.html
[06:40] <Jack3> mrksbrd, so i fixed it, but now i have a problem
[06:40] <flaccid> Jack3: you didn't modify the fstab on the mounted fs as per step 2) ie. remove the UUID and use normal dev as lilo does not support it
[06:41] <Jack3> flaccid, i did so jusut now
[06:41] <Jack3> and I ran lilconfig and told it to install the bootloader
[06:41] <Jack3> but it failed because /dev/hdg1 is not the first harddisk
[06:41] <Jack3> also Fatal: filesystem would be destroyed by lilo boot sector: /dev/hdg1
[06:41] <Jack3> Warning /dev/hdg1 is not on the first disk
[06:41] <Jack3> told me to correct /etc/lilo.conf
[06:42] <flaccid> what values did you give liloconfig?
[06:42] <Jack3> flaccid, none, i just ran liloconfig like it said
[06:43] <Jack3> and clicked yes to install bootloader
[06:43] <flaccid> well i guess it needs to be your first disk ie. primary master
[06:43] <flaccid> first bios disk basically. maybe change the disks physically
[06:43] <Jack3> yes sooo doesnt that mean I need to resize like a couple MB from my vista/xp?
[06:44] <Jack3> oh you think itd be easier to simply put the linux hdd as disk 1?
[06:45] <flaccid> thats what it is saying. the disk needs to be first not the part/fs
[06:45] <Jack3> okay, i think i can do that,
[06:46] <Jack3> flaccid, it would probably be easier to just reintall kubuntu then after that?
[06:46] <mrksbrd> i think if he does that the mbr will no longer recognize proper order of boot
[06:46] <mrksbrd> bios will be looking for certain order I think3
[06:47] <flaccid> Jack3: err that won't help anything and you are simply changing the order of the disks plugged in, you are not changing anything on the disks themselves
[06:47] <Jack3> flaccid, well okay but id still need to edit /etc/fstab on the linux partition
[06:47] <flaccid> still i don't know what you have on the mbr of the disk in question...
[06:47] <Jack3> sicne it would read itself as /dev/hdg which it isnt anymore
[06:47] <flaccid> yes the logical name will most likely change
[06:48] <Jack3> flaccid, does the live cd give the option to install lilo? I couldnt find it
[06:48] <flaccid> no, only the alternate
[06:49] <Jack3> gah
[06:49] <Jack3> i suppose i could just use reiserfs intsead of XFS
[06:50] <Jack3> flaccid, another question, If i change hard disk order, and get grub working, will vista and xp still function normally even though their disk has been moved?
[06:51] <flaccid> um what is wrong with ext2 or ext3?
[06:51] <mrksbrd> jack3: thats where i think you will run into prob, may have to redo bootloader.ini
[06:51] <Jack3> nooo
[06:51] <Jack3> :p
[06:51] <flaccid> pfft
[06:51] <Jack3> flaccid, oh i duno nothin really
[06:51] <flaccid> if you have not done anything to the windows fs then it will be fine
[06:52] <Jack3> okay
[06:52]  * Jack3 hopes
[06:52] <flaccid> pfft you are doing something for no reason
[06:52] <Jack3> i read XFS had better performance
[06:52] <Jack3> probably unneccesary
[06:52] <flaccid> thats not really a reason heh
[06:52] <Jack3> lol kinad
[06:53] <Jack3> kinda
[06:53] <flaccid> anyway good luck whatever you do
[06:55] <flaccid> and yeah reiser probably not going to be supported/developed anymore. the creator mr. raiser is jail for mudering his wife
[06:57]  * Jack3 wikis
[06:58] <Jack3> holy shiiiiiiii
[06:58] <Jack3> what a whacko
[06:58] <mrksbrd> see what women drive u to do....lol
[06:58] <Jack3> lol or coding linux?
[06:58] <Jack3> hehe
[07:00] <mrksbrd> lol
[07:00] <Jack3> what do you guys suggest?
[07:02] <mrksbrd> about?
[07:02] <illmortal_> Does anyone know what sort of app. I need in order to do a little overclocking? I wanna run a few benchmarks, get my hands wet in over clockin..
[07:02] <Jack3> mrksbrd, filesystem
[07:04] <mrksbrd> well i would first get rid of windows
[07:05] <mrksbrd> depends on what u want to do i guess
[07:05] <illmortal_> <,< I don't use windows.
[07:05] <illmortal_> I'm on Kubuntu :P
[07:06] <illmortal_> oh nvm.
[07:06] <mrksbrd> illmortal_: username messed up again...lol
[07:06] <Jack3> mrksbrd, i am using tripple boot system for a reason:P
[07:06] <illmortal_> :p
[07:06] <flaccid_> i sometimes 4x boot :O
[07:07] <Jack3> :OooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooO
[07:07] <mrksbrd> what type of apps u run under windows?
[07:07] <Jack3> mrksbrd, apps i know how to use under windows and not linux  :P
[07:07] <mrksbrd> flaccid has more guts than me
[07:08] <mrksbrd> jack used to be that way.....just have to relearn
[07:09] <mrksbrd> only windows apps i still run under linux is dreamweaver & photoshop
[07:09] <flaccid_> ouch i use kate and gimp for that stuff :p
[07:10] <mrksbrd> i don't know enough code though
[07:12] <mrksbrd> flaccid still learning gimp @ this point....quite a difference
[07:12] <flaccid_> oh well 2.4 gimp has awesome selection now
[07:12] <mrksbrd> have to see what ver i'm running
[07:13] <mrksbrd> 2.4.5
[07:14] <mrksbrd> besides in the short time i've been on linux....2 windows dependenies aren't bad.....lol
[07:16] <geek_> lol
[07:16] <geek_> mine are HMP and paint.net ;p
[07:25] <mrksbrd> never heard of paint.net...is it a plugin?
[07:29] <MooCows> I seem to have no sound in pidgin
[07:30] <MooCows> and some other things, like Quake3
[07:30] <MooCows> I believe Quake3 needs to be run as root possible/
[07:30] <MooCows> ?
[07:35] <illmortal_> paint.net is part of asp.net
[07:35] <geek_> no
[07:36] <geek_> its a .net based programme similar to gimp
[07:36] <illmortal_> ah.. ok
[07:36] <geek_> allegedly migel icaza is doing a port, but i haven't seen a usable one yet
[07:38] <p_quarles> Monopaint, yes -- that's been rumored for a while
[07:39] <austin_> I want to download custom themes and stuff, along with the things you can put on your desktop that tell the time,weather, stuff like that. But, I don't know what Kubuntu uses. KDE? Gnome?KDE4? Not really sure what all that means, but yeah.
[07:40] <p_quarles> austin_, Kubuntu is Ubuntu's KDE distro
[07:40] <p_quarles> the current version can run either KDE 3.5 or KDE 4.1
[07:40] <austin_> Oh okay.  Thanks.
[07:41] <illmortal_> yeah KDE4.1 is an eyecandy distro :P
[07:41] <illmortal_> Kubuntu KDE Remix I believe it's called.
[07:41] <illmortal_> Pretty sweet... but waitin for it to be a little more stable.
[07:42] <austin_> I'm not exactly sure which one I have. I Just had a CD sent here not too long ago.
[07:42] <geek_> then its 3.5
[07:42] <p_quarles> austin_, it's almost certainly Kubuntu 8.04
[07:43] <geek_> *3.5.9
[07:43] <p_quarles> which has 3.5, as geek_ says
[07:43] <p_quarles> more on monopaint for those interested: http://code.google.com/p/paint-mono/
[07:44] <austin_> Something such as this would work in english, even though in the screenshots it's another language right?
[07:44] <austin_> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Azenis?content=77150
[07:44] <illmortal_> anyone have a link to some documentation in learning how to over clock safely in kubuntu?
[07:45] <p_quarles> illmortal_, overclocking safely is a kernel issue; you wouldn't want to limit your query to Kubuntu, since any Linux guide will do
[07:45] <illmortal_> omfg... sick theme!
[07:47] <illmortal_> well, over all I just wanna learn how to run benchmarks
[07:55] <austin_> I followed the guide but the theme didn't install.
[08:46] <cstegmann> hi, i just installed Kubuntu, with some fiddling around even found out how to connect to my wireless router, but where can i find Synaptic?
[08:47] <kuresuna> try openning a terminal and typing #sudo apt-get install synaptic
[08:48] <cstegmann> kuresuna: thanks
[08:48] <kuresuna> anytime
[08:48] <emilsedgh> cstegmann: synaptic is in ubuntu, use adept in kubuntu
[09:20] <vikku> hi all i ran the ./configure to have mplayer install but iam getting following erro :Cannot find header either inttypes.h or bitypes.h
[09:21] <SitUbuntuSit> why don't you install it from the command line?
[09:21] <vikku> thats what iam trying to do
[09:21] <SitUbuntuSit> sudo apt-get install mplayer
[09:21] <vikku> i have the .tar.bz2 file
[09:21] <geek_> SitUbuntuSit: you mean use the package as opposed to build from source ;)
[09:21] <SitUbuntuSit> you don't need to download and compile it
[09:22] <SitUbuntuSit> exactly geek_
[09:22] <geek_> vikku: if you don't know what you're using use the repository version. Building from scratch is an advanced skill that often requires a lot of patience and hairpulling ;)
[09:22] <vikku> well i need to learn pls ....pretty bored of not knowing how apt-get fixes thing
[09:22] <SitUbuntuSit> !apt
[09:23] <vikku> ready to practic  that patience , not that i have not tried it
[09:23] <illmortal_> Does anyone know how to get klock?
[09:23] <geek_> vikku: in which case, have you installed build-essential?
[09:23] <cstegmann> !Adept
[09:23] <vikku> hmmm i thought so ....will install it now
[09:24] <geek_> also, i'd suggest checkinstall and replacing make install when compiling with the command build install
[09:24] <geek_> it will make a deb, makes management easier ;)
[09:25] <geek_> erm
[09:25] <geek_> checkinstall instead of make install even
[09:26] <SitUbuntuSit> so geek_ sudo make install? and then you can remove with apt-get remove packagename?
[09:26] <SitUbuntuSit> sudo checkinstall
[09:26] <SitUbuntuSit> excuse me
[09:26] <geek_> SitUbuntuSit: yeah
[09:26] <geek_> SitUbuntuSit: i RARELY compile stuff but i find it very useful for when i do
[09:27] <SitUbuntuSit> thanks geek_! Same here, but on occasion, I have to compile. That's a great tip.
[09:27] <geek_> SitUbuntuSit: sudo checkinstall, then you get a deb, you can install that with dpkg or whtever you use...
[09:28] <SitUbuntuSit> Better than tracking down fragmented files to remove if you need to remove a package.
[09:28] <geek_> SitUbuntuSit: also, i use a VM to compile, so i don't need to keep the devel files on my main box.. double win ;p
[09:29] <SitUbuntuSit> LOL... now I've heard it all!
[09:31] <geek_> SitUbuntuSit: well, i'm less concerned with time. with a VM, i can not worry about messing up my nice neat system ;p
[09:31] <geek_> last thing i compiled was the kopete thinklight extention though
[09:31] <SitUbuntuSit> No, that's great thinking
[09:31] <geek_> thank you ;)
[09:31] <favro> bash: man: command not found - where do I go from here?
[09:32] <geek_> favro: man what?
[09:34] <vikku> why do we say that compiling from source sould break the system
[09:34] <vikku> could*
[09:36] <geek_> vikku: if you don't know what you're doing, you might replace something you need with something broken
[09:37] <vikku> ok !! , and how does virtualizaion helps ? (and which OS do u suggest to be run upon Ubuntu) ?
[09:37] <favro> geek_: man anything...
[09:38] <geek_> vikku: it helps cause you can run everything on a snapshottable system, make sure it works and either make a deb (with checkinstall) or replicate the install on another box
[09:38] <geek_> it takes a little longer, esp with the latter but you ENSURE the system works
[09:39] <illmortal_> anyone know how to install kclock?
[09:39]  * geek_ runs an install of ubuntu identical to what he uses on his laptop on VMware on windows (which also lets me test USB wireless adaptorss before i use them on linux ;p)
[09:40] <geek_> never got the passthrough to work quite right on linux, but that box runs windows anyway
[09:41] <vikku> hmmmm
[09:41] <geek_> (i love my VMware install ;p)
[11:20] <SPhcT> ..
[11:21] <favfro> ;
[11:21] <geek_> ',
[11:22] <favfro>  |
[11:22] <geek_> ahh better
[11:22] <favfro> hehe
[11:22]  * geek_ hates channels filled with join/parts... ;p
[11:22] <geek_> ...
[11:24] <favfro> geek_: in xchat you can right click the tab and select to not show join/parts
[11:25] <geek_> favfro: i'm on konversation. its just there being so many, and not any actual.. stuff going on
[11:27] <favfro> geek reading folks joining/leaving leaves alot to be desired ...
[11:31] <pim_> How would I kill process xxxx?
[11:31] <pim_> I thought sudo killall xxxx
[11:31] <furqan> kill -9 process id
[11:31] <furqan> yes sudo kill
[11:32] <furqan> sudo kill -9 and then process id
[11:32] <pim_> what is the -9  parameter?
[11:32] <furqan> forcefully
[11:32] <strawbeRRy_fieLd> or from KSYSGUARD
[11:32] <dwidmann> -9 = KILL signal (as opposed to other signals like TERM)
[11:32] <strawbeRRy_fieLd> you look for the running process, select it with the mouse and press the KILL button
[11:32] <pim_> will -f also take care of this?
[11:33] <pim_> it doesn't work strawberry
[11:33] <pim_> not enough permissions
[11:33] <pim_> what I did was: sudo apt-get install language-support-de &
[11:33] <furqan> sudo is to run as root
[11:33] <pim_> and then it sort of vanished
[11:34] <furqan> remove & then run
[11:34] <furqan> it will not vanish
[11:34] <pim_> I thought the & meant moving it to the background?
[11:34] <furqan> so it moves in the background and returns the control
[11:35] <pim_> so how do I recall the process to the foreground?
[11:35] <igno> fg ... :)
[11:35] <furqan> fg
[11:35] <furqan> what is it
[11:36] <pim_> foreground I guess
[11:36] <pim_> do I need to specify a program to move to the foreground?
[11:36] <furqan> fg process id
[11:37] <pim_> ah, what would be an easy way to see a list of running programs?
[11:37] <furqan> dont know man
[11:37] <pim_> ah
[11:37] <furqan> ps -ef
[11:37] <furqan> or try top
[11:38] <furqan> top will be good and u can kill the process there
[11:38] <favro> sudo top - k to kill with the pid
[11:38] <furqan> no
[11:38] <furqan> just sudo top
[11:38] <furqan> you will get the list of current running processes
[11:39] <pim_> how can I search the top list?
[11:39] <favro> ps -e | grep prog name
[11:39] <furqan> press h for help
[11:39] <Mojo_risin> hi guys, kio-umountwrapper is broken for me since last update, anyone noticed the same?
[11:40] <dwidmann> why not just use ps -C?
[11:40] <dwidmann> wait, I suppose that only helps if you know the whole name :\
[11:40] <pim_> heh :-)
[11:40] <pim_> Well I'm off
[11:41] <pim_> thanks for your help guys!
[11:41]  * geek_ tends to use ps aux ;p
[11:42] <fbe__>  hello all and sorry if this is off-topic, but i'm not sure it's distro specific. on kubuntu 7.1 why do I have to run two times vlc in order to it to work on removable devices ?
[11:42] <fbe__> the first run says "/media/cdrom0 is a folder but a file is expected" ... and from the second try until I remove the media and reinsert again, it's OK.
[11:43] <fbe__> this is a pity and i've absolutely no idea where to wearch. this is a kioexec problem but don't know where to start ...
[11:44] <dwidmann> fbe__: just use vlc's file -> open disc dialog instead, that should work reliably.
[11:44] <favro> fbe__: from what you've said it seems you are trying to open a folder not a file - how are you starting vlc to open the file?
[11:45] <fbe__> right click on the media that appeared on my desktop bar and open with->vlc.
[11:46] <fbe__> it works from open disc dialog but i need to make it working directly from the desktop of "open with" dialog
[11:46] <furqan> how can i map a windows share to the kbuntu box
[11:47] <iulian_> hello
[11:47] <iulian_> i have a question
[11:47] <furqan> everyone has a question here :P
[11:47] <iulian_> can somebody help me to learn linux
[11:47] <iulian_> ???
[11:47] <furqan> good question
[11:47] <favro> fbe__: afaik you need to right click the icon - select open - then choose a file
[11:47] <dwidmann> awfully broad topic you've chosen there
[11:48] <furqan> iulian right?
[11:48] <favro> iulian_: you need to try to do stuff then ask about what you don't know - or google first to get clues :)
[11:48] <fbe__> i find an interesting article here about my problem: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/suse-linux-help/52425-2-problems-suse-10-0-kde-3-5-a.html#post325186
[11:48] <favro> too late
[11:49] <fbe__> it seems kde does some magic when thereis no %F%f%u on the command line in the application shortcuts (Menu editor)
[11:49] <fbe__> someine can confirm this ?
[11:49] <furqan> anyone know about HP-UX11.11
[11:52] <flaccid> magic lol
[12:21] <ZoMBi> e
[12:21] <favro> bay
[12:22] <nesw> leaf
[12:22] <favro> pad
[12:23] <nesw> thai
[12:23] <favro>     chicken
[12:34] <Solidedge> greetings all
[12:35] <nesw> salutations
[12:41] <Solidedge> no one seems to be chatting
[12:41] <nesw> this is true
[12:42] <jpds> Solidedge: All the chatting is at #kubuntu-offtopic.
[12:42] <Solidedge> ok thankyou.  new to IRC and new to Kubuntu
[12:47] <x-X-x> how do i link a shell script to a identical shell script? i mean lets say i have a shell script in /usr/local/games and i want to link in /usr/local/bin to the /usr/local/games shell script, but still be able to use the command in terminal
[12:47] <x-X-x> ?
[12:49] <nesw> you could create a symlink. see the "ln" command... (man ln). see the -s option
[12:50] <favro> x-X-x: ln -s /usr/local/bin/script /usr/local/games/script
[12:50] <nesw> or add /usr/local/games to your PATH?
[12:50] <favro> games is in path by default
[12:50] <favro> $PATH   in konsole
[12:51] <favro> /usr/games is in path - my bad
[12:59] <ForgeAus> is it just me or is Wikipedia windows-biased?
[13:00] <geek_> hmm/
[13:00] <geek_> it works fine in firefox on kubuntu ;p
[13:08] <sbucat> geek_: works fine konqueror and opera too , better than firesfoz
[13:10] <eden06> bit of a puzzle guys, loaded alternate and installed as livecd wont work, on a standard start the pc resets, dropping into a root terminal and running init 5 loads x fine, have disabled any power management to no effect, am on a k8 mobo with an athlon 64 3000+, any suggestions?
[13:26] <jackyche> test
[13:44] <xavier__> wenas
[13:44] <xavier__> que tal _
[13:53] <ubuntu_> is there a way to install grub again without full install?
[13:53] <ubuntu_> do see any option
[13:57] <seller23> hi
[13:57] <seller23> all
[14:00] <seller23> any one who want to buy iphones 3gb 16gb 32gb pls pm me
[14:02] <favro> !ot | seller23
[14:03] <Anvil> favro : dont bother, he's been banned from fedora 2 min ago, you should ban him.
[14:03] <Anvil> until he get his kline
[14:03] <ubuntuu> need help installing grub
[14:04] <ubuntuu> on live cd
[14:04] <ubuntuu> anyone
[14:04]  * Anvil waves at Sonar_Guy 
[14:06] <_sam_> how can i log the internet traffic thats going thru my DSL modem monthly?
[14:06] <_sam_> using Kubuntu firehol and Squid
[14:06] <hateball> _sam_: Try vnstat ?
[14:07] <_sam_> installing now..
[14:07] <_sam_> hateball: what does it do?
[14:08] <hateball> _sam_: Logs traffic ;)
[14:08] <seller23> any one who want to buy iphones 3gb 16gb 32gb pls pm me
[14:08] <hateball> _sam_: man vnstat ;)
[14:08] <_sam_> thanks, installing it now..
[14:10] <_sam_> secondly, i have my DSL modem in bridge mode, so am using PPPoE, and "pon ppp0" to start internet, is there a more elegent way
[14:10] <_sam_> for when internet service is interupted and ppp0 connection goes down
[14:12] <jackyche> what do you mean "log traffic"?
[14:13] <hateball> I was assuming purely numbers, no real analysis of the data
[14:14] <jackyche> i see.....
[14:20] <jackyche> i think it can be done by saving the traffic first (use tcpdump), than crl_stats. but there should be a simple way for this job
[14:38] <hateball> jackyche: Could just use Wireshark as well, if you wanted to see everything
[14:44] <modestillo> bienas
[14:44] <modestillo> buenas
[14:45] <michael_love5> hi im new to linux
[14:45] <modestillo> alguien me puede ayudar? acavo de instalar kubuntu 8.04 , pero cuando activo kompiz fusion desaparece la barra de accion, lo de cerrar, minimizar de la venta, ¿como puedo solucionarlo?
[14:45] <michael_love5> is this the english chat
[14:45] <modestillo> sry
[14:45] <modestillo> well , i can say it in inglish
[14:46] <michael_love5> no?
[14:46] <michael_love5> english?
[14:46] <geek_> yeah it is english
[14:46] <geek_> !es
[14:46] <michael_love5> alright
[14:46] <modestillo> alguien me puede ayudar? acavo de instalar kubuntu 8.04 , pero cuando activo kompiz fusion desaparece la barra de accion, lo de cerrar, minimizar de la venta, ¿como puedo solucionarlo?
[14:47] <michael_love5> can pleae help me with getting graphics such as the 3d cube on my computer
[14:48] <michael_love5> i have kubuntu
[14:50] <michael_love5> is anyone here?
[15:15] <cheesecake> something is wrong with my installer
[15:16] <cheesecake> getting error  "There was an error commiting changes. Possible there was a problem...
[15:16] <cheesecake> what does this mean?
[15:21] <Dragnslcr> cheesecake- try checking /var/log/dpkg.log
[15:26] <cheesecake> working
[15:27] <cheesecake> i just installed kde4 is it suppose to look like kubuntu's default kde?
[15:27] <cheesecake> or do have to enable it
[15:32] <Dragnslcr> You can choose a KDE3 session or a KDE4 session from the KDE login screen
[15:35] <cheesecake> i changed to kde4
[15:35] <cheesecake> still booting into kde3
[15:43] <kakalotsai> how to install pigdin in Kubuntu"
[15:46] <ghostcube> !kde4
[15:50] <bdizzle> hi, I'm having problems with compiz-fusion where it is interfering with kwin, causing the title bars to disappear completely around the windows
[15:52] <ghostcube> bdizzle: #compiz-fusion
[15:52] <bdizzle> thanks
[16:00] <aaron__> can someone tell how to change my display res
[16:00] <aaron__> my screen is clipped
[16:00] <aaron__> i can see but a small area can i open from shell?
[16:00] <bdizzle> join #compiz-fusion
[16:05] <aaron__> can someone tell how to change my display res
[16:06] <aaron__> i can see but a small area can i open from shell?
[16:06] <aaron__> :(
[16:06] <favro> aaron__: try in konsole - xrandr -s 1024x768 - or your res
[16:07] <aaron__> Unknown option '-s
[16:09] <aaron__> crap
[16:09] <favro> haha - from my bash-history - xrandr -s 1280x1024
[16:10] <aaron__> favro
[16:11] <aaron__> can you help me please
[16:12] <aaron__> can i open system settings from konsole
[16:12] <favro> aaron__: apart from xrandr -s 1280x1024 - try in terminal kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf  and add your resolution to the screen section
[16:13] <aaron__> damn menu is clipped
[16:13] <aaron__> my res is at 1900x1200 but my screen is shrunk
[16:13] <aaron__> to 1/3 my screen size
[16:13] <aaron__> i can't see but a small section
[16:14] <aaron__> all i want to do is open control center change my res
[16:16] <favro> aaron__: I've had it where the res is 640x480 and hard to use but 1900x1200 would not be hard - can you open a konsole?
[16:17] <favro> try just xrandr  it will let you know what the res is
[16:17] <favro> late again...
[16:38] <bdizzle> hello?
[16:39] <linux_> hello
[16:39] <bdizzle> so I've figure out the perfect way to make someone's mind explode
[16:39] <bdizzle> and to make them lost to all of civilization
[16:39] <bdizzle> introduce them to Gentoo
[16:40] <linux_> а ну подскажите мне пиплы фишку
[16:41] <bdizzle> lol
[16:42] <linux_> translite Linux ? help
[16:43]  * ForgeAus wonders when yahoo will add konqueror to its browser list :(
[16:44] <bdizzle> its russian linux_
[16:44] <bazhang> !ru | linux_
[16:45] <linux_> bazhang yes
[16:45] <bazhang> linux_, /join #ubuntu-ru
[16:47] <Ekushey> !bd
[16:47] <favro> !pt
[17:02] <Nyad> !grubsplash
[17:02] <Nyad> !splash
[17:02] <Nyad> !bootsplash
[17:02] <Nyad> :(
[17:07] <favro> !usplash
[17:19] <DexterF> hi
[17:20] <coreymon77> !hi | DexterF
[17:20] <abby87> DexterF: hi
[17:20] <DexterF> nvidia gf9500gt, nvidia 173.xy. started kaffeine. it's all blue, as if red and blue channels were switched or so. what's happening here?
[17:20] <abby87> hmmm must be an nvidia bug
[17:21] <DexterF> :(
[17:21] <abby87> but still have u tried using some other player like vlc?
[17:21] <DexterF> not yet...
[17:21] <abby87> kde4 rite?
[17:23] <DexterF> nope, kde3 with kaffeine 0.8.6 on 8.04 64 bit
[17:23] <abby87> hmmm
[17:23] <DexterF> friend has the same hardware setup and hardy64 but an 8800gt. doesn't have any issues.
[17:23] <coreymon77> gah, why do all of the people with problems have to have 64 bit
[17:24] <abby87> DexterF: try using some other player if poss
[17:24] <coreymon77> it makes things so much more annoying
[17:24] <DexterF> abby87: at it
[17:24] <abby87> coreymon77: but 64 bit is the future
[17:24] <DexterF> moment
[17:24] <coreymon77> i know
[17:24] <coreymon77> but still
[17:24] <coreymon77> currently, it makes things annoying
[17:24] <DexterF> coreymon77: 4gig machine I use for virtualization.
[17:25] <abby87> ya quad cores outsmart 64 bits
[17:25] <coreymon77> you are virtualizing linux?
[17:25] <abby87> man 9500 GT must b awesome 4 gamin!
[17:25] <abby87> total kickass!
[17:25] <DexterF> i'm virtualizing everythiong. win2k3, winxp, vista, linux, osx
[17:25] <coreymon77> cause if you are, the virtualization might be the issue
[17:26] <abby87> virtual pc !
[17:26] <coreymon77> whats your actual native os
[17:26] <DexterF> coreymon77: no, i have the issue on the host with vmware not running at all. no ESX, no Xen
[17:26] <abby87> i hope its not solaris
[17:26] <coreymon77> DexterF: is linux the native os
[17:26] <abby87> hmm
[17:26] <DexterF> yes.
[17:27] <coreymon77> okay, thats different, i though you meant you were currently running linux through virtualization, in which case that could of been the cause
[17:27] <abby87> DexterF: i guess the nvidia drivers for 644 bit must be having some issues
[17:27] <abby87> *64
[17:28] <DexterF> abby87: thought crossed me, too, but like I said friend with 8800gt has no problems.
[17:28] <coreymon77> thats my guess
[17:28] <coreymon77> DexterF: are you new to linux
[17:28] <DexterF> ill check out kaffeine and 177 driver
[17:28] <abby87> any hardware issues?
[17:29] <DexterF> coreymon77: heh :) started in 1999 with SuSE 6.0. answered? :)
[17:29] <coreymon77> DexterF: okay, so shouldnt you know by now that 9500gt != 8800gt, hence the drivers for one could cause issues but not the drivers for anoter
[17:30] <coreymon77> DexterF: shouldnt you know that just because something else works doesnt mean this should too
[17:30] <abby87> coreymon77: ya even i think tht's the issue
[17:30] <coreymon77> DexterF: the culprit here are the 64 bit drivers for your card
[17:30] <DexterF> coreymon77: actually 9500 *is* the same core as 8800 with lesser shader units and clock speed. maybe a higher stepping, given.
[17:31] <coreymon77> DexterF: different driver
[17:31] <DexterF> coreymon77: what makes you sure here?
[17:31] <coreymon77> DexterF: different card, different driver
[17:31] <coreymon77> DexterF: im not sure, thats just my best guess
[17:31] <coreymon77> !nvidia
[17:32] <DexterF> coreymon77: like I said ill give 177beta a shot. don't really want to, but...
[17:32] <coreymon77> DexterF: another thing you should know
[17:32] <coreymon77> DexterF: dont use linux betas unless you are a developer
[17:32] <coreymon77> lol
[17:33] <DexterF> I've been running Slackware for half a decade, I guess that qualifies me...
[17:33] <coreymon77> sorry bout that
[17:33] <coreymon77> !nvidia
[17:35] <coreymon77> thats my best guess
[17:35] <coreymon77> DexterF: the best thing to do is try another player such as vlc first
[17:36] <coreymon77> DexterF: oh, and also check google, thats always a good thing
[17:39] <coreymon77> i hate it when that happens
[17:41] <DexterF> bloody hell. works in xine. same engine. ill check wiht the kaffeine crowd.
[17:42] <DexterF> mplayer ok, too. wtf
[17:43] <DexterF> ok, ill just put that under "mystery".
[17:43] <DexterF> nother thing: flashplayer fine in konw, no go in Opera. anyone know how to make Opera handle the 64bit wrapper?
[17:43] <DexterF> *in konq
[17:44] <coreymon77> screw opera
[17:44] <coreymon77> firefox ftw
[17:44] <DexterF> screw ff
[17:44] <DexterF> opera ftw
[17:44] <coreymon77> why?
[17:44] <coreymon77> opera ftl
[17:45] <coreymon77> too bloated
[17:45] <DexterF> BLOATED?
[17:45] <coreymon77> bloated
[17:45] <abby87> opera ! huh!
[17:45] <abby87> safari is good
[17:45] <coreymon77> opera is above ie
[17:45] <abby87> after firefox
[17:45] <DexterF> I've heard a lot of points against Opera, some even valid, but one hing it's not: bloated.
[17:45] <coreymon77> bloated
[17:45] <coreymon77> and commercial
[17:46] <DexterF> but I've been in the ff vs opera fight far too often and it leads nowhere. no point in discussing.
[17:46] <DexterF> I couldn't care less ablout commercial, I need a computer that gets the job done
[17:46] <coreymon77> fark
[17:46] <coreymon77> hate it when that happens
[17:47] <coreymon77> but ya
[17:47] <coreymon77> bloated and too commercial
[17:50] <DexterF> and I still say: to each his own. I like it better.
[17:50] <coreymon77> of course
[17:50] <coreymon77> i completely agree
[17:50] <coreymon77> but its still bloated and commercial
[17:50] <DexterF> next thing... in kde3 I can't find the sysmon kicker applet. anyone know where it is/went/hides? not ksysguard, the simpler one
[17:51] <coreymon77> unless "his own" happens to be ie
[17:51] <coreymon77> then no way in hey
[17:51] <coreymon77> that must change
[17:51] <Nece228> does intrepid will include newer ati proprietary drivers?
[17:51] <coreymon77> i just use ksysguard
[17:52] <coreymon77> oh you mean the "finally they take their heads out of their asses" support for open source driver systems that ati decided to release
[17:53] <coreymon77> ?
[17:53] <Nece228> ?
[17:53] <Nece228> i dont get your mind
[17:53] <coreymon77> nevermind
[17:53] <coreymon77> i doubt that proprietary drivers will be included by default, because they never are
[17:54] <coreymon77> but they should be easy to get
[17:54] <Nece228> what will be next ati proprietary driver version and when it will be released?
[17:54] <coreymon77> no clue
[17:54] <coreymon77> i gave ati the finger long ago when nvidia showed support for open source drivers
[17:54] <Nece228> ban coreymon77 please because he dont know answer
[17:55] <coreymon77> what
[17:55] <coreymon77> if told you clearly
[17:55] <Nece228> :D
[17:55] <Nece228> im just joking
[17:55] <coreymon77> ...
[17:55] <Nece228> no one bans someone of just because some guy says ban him
[17:56] <coreymon77> i know that
[17:56] <coreymon77> ive been here longer than you
[17:56] <JohnFlux_> oh my!
[17:56] <coreymon77> what?
[17:58] <DexterF> Nece228: the ati installer from their website can build ubuntu packages that integrate nicely into the apt database. ./install...blah --buildpkg distro/version. check --help.
[17:58] <coreymon77> or just look here
[17:58] <coreymon77> !ati
[17:58] <Barbadillo> hi all, i have a problem with dolphin
[17:58] <DexterF> who hasn't?
[17:58] <Barbadillo> i can't reach an sftp server
[17:58] <Barbadillo> eheheh
[17:59] <Barbadillo> by the shell i can reach it via ssh, scp, sftp, etc.
[18:00] <charlie> hello
[18:01] <Barbadillo> even in konqueror i cannot browse via sftp
[18:02] <Nece228> well im using proprietary driver
[18:02] <Nece228> but its slower than open source in some operation
[18:03] <Nece228> like window minimising effect, and when i maximisie window screen wobbles only few frames
[18:03] <coreymon77> thats because ati are dunces and wont release open drivers for linux
[18:03] <_6apa6ashk0> hi =)
[18:04] <Artful> hi, I seem to be stuck in 640x480 after I changed from radeon fglrx to 'radeon'
[18:04] <coreymon77> *sigh* more ati problems
[18:04] <Nece228> coreymon77: they really want to release their drivers in open source and theyre working on it
[18:04] <Artful> changed back to fglrx, but cannot change the res.
[18:04] <Artful> :-(
[18:05] <coreymon77> Nece228: its taken them long enough to want to
[18:05] <coreymon77> Nece228: they just decided that
[18:05] <coreymon77> Nece228: nvidia has been doing it for years
[18:05] <Nece228> well no matter, i can use proprietary driver
[18:05] <Barbadillo> anyone experienced my problem?
[18:06] <Nece228> but what next version will be of ati drivers?
[18:06] <coreymon77> !google Barbadillo
[18:06] <coreymon77> !google | Barbadillo
[18:06] <Nece228> and how to know which version im using?
[18:07] <_6apa6ashk0> sorry for my english... i'm not from english-speaking country. have a problem
[18:07] <Barbadillo> coreymon77: google does not helped me
[18:08] <_6apa6ashk0> i try to create ad-hoc connecting with microsoft vista
[18:08] <_6apa6ashk0> wi-fi
[18:08] <coreymon77> umm, so?
[18:08] <coreymon77> this is the kubuntu linux channel
[18:08] <_6apa6ashk0> i config wlan0 =)
[18:09] <_6apa6ashk0> but ubuntu write like
[18:09] <_6apa6ashk0> after iwlist wlan0 scan
[18:09] <Artful> so how do I get back to 1024x768... without reinstalling kubuntu and kde4
[18:09] <Barbadillo> coreymon77: and so what? youe answered me
[18:09] <Nece228> why everythink lags horribly when i want record my desktop session
[18:10] <_6apa6ashk0> interface doesn't support scanning
[18:10] <coreymon77> _6apa6ashk0: so in other words, you want to connect to a wifi network on ubuntu, right?
[18:10] <_6apa6ashk0> yes =)
[18:11] <Nece228> why everythink lags horribly when i want record my desktop session
[18:11] <_6apa6ashk0> i want to connect directly to other notebook
[18:11] <_6apa6ashk0> by ad-hoc mode connecting
[18:11] <_6apa6ashk0> if i not mistake
[18:12] <coreymon77> _6apa6ashk0: do you know what your network essid is?
[18:12] <_6apa6ashk0> yes
[18:12] <coreymon77> okay, and is it encrypted with wep or wpa?
[18:13] <_6apa6ashk0> i set it without secure options for testing
[18:13] <_6apa6ashk0> i just have only essid
[18:13] <coreymon77> okay
[18:13] <coreymon77> and is your wireless card set up properly (drivers etc)
[18:14] <_6apa6ashk0> ofcouse
[18:14] <coreymon77> so
[18:14] <coreymon77> this should be easy
[18:14] <coreymon77> is wlan0 your interface
[18:14] <coreymon77> or is it something different liek ath0 or ra0 or something like that
[18:15] <_6apa6ashk0> no.. it's just wlan0
[18:15] <coreymon77> okay
[18:15] <coreymon77> so, open konsole
[18:15] <coreymon77> and type this
[18:15] <coreymon77> sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid yournetworkessid
[18:15] <coreymon77> replacing that last part with your network essid
[18:16] <_6apa6ashk0> i have read about  wi-fi connecting. i did all that was written in articles about it
[18:16] <_6apa6ashk0> drivers are OK
[18:17] <_6apa6ashk0> notebook could connect to ap
[18:17] <_6apa6ashk0> i make ad-hoc connection at win vista
[18:18] <_6apa6ashk0> but in case when one note with ubuntu and other with vista.. it have trouble
[18:18] <coreymon77> ya, vistas the trouble
[18:18] <coreymon77> lol
[18:18] <_6apa6ashk0> heh
[18:19] <_6apa6ashk0> i tried to config my wi-fi adapter with utilites like iwconfig, iwlist
[18:19] <coreymon77> did you just see what i just said
[18:19] <coreymon77> whats your network essid
[18:20] <_6apa6ashk0> i write that like you wrote
[18:21] <coreymon77> just tell me
[18:21] <coreymon77> what is it
[18:22] <_6apa6ashk0> hm..
[18:24] <eddieftw> 'wc
[18:40] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[18:41] <ActionParsnip> how can I write a file allocation table to a disk image please
[18:42] <JohnFlux_> ActionParsnip: mkfs
[18:42] <JohnFlux_> ActionParsnip: you want to create a filesystem on a blank partitino?
[18:42] <JohnFlux_> partition
[18:43] <__-osh-__> !kde4
[18:43] <ActionParsnip> JohnFlux_: no im recovering data from a friends usb key
[18:43] <JohnFlux_> ActionParsnip: oh, well don't use mkfs then
[18:44] <JohnFlux_> ActionParsnip: fsck ?
[18:44] <ActionParsnip> JohnFlux_: ive dd_rescued the data and now im wanting to mount it
[18:44] <ActionParsnip> but its missing the fat
[18:44] <JohnFlux_> ActionParsnip: you'll need a tool scan through the data and attempt to recreate it
[18:44] <JohnFlux_> ActionParsnip: *to*
[18:45] <JohnFlux_> ActionParsnip: but if you dd'd it, you should have the fat
[18:45] <__-osh-__> Quick question. I don't have the kde4-PPA-thingy in my repos, but when I do a search for kde4 a lot of packages show up. Do I still need to add the PPA?
[18:45] <ActionParsnip> JohnFlux_: thats my point. it doesnt have 1
[18:45] <ActionParsnip> JohnFlux_: so i wanna add one to the image
[18:46] <JohnFlux_> ActionParsnip: what makes you think it doesn't have one?
[18:46] <ActionParsnip> JohnFlux_: ive tried to mount both the image and the device itself, my system told me
[18:46] <ActionParsnip> !kde4
[18:47] <JohnFlux_> ActionParsnip: google around for tools to help recover data
[18:48] <ActionParsnip> JohnFlux_: i have been hence dd_rescue
[18:48] <JohnFlux_> ActionParsnip: you need a tool to try to guess at where files are
[18:54] <Guest54640> Hey, is there a way to resize my linux partiton to free up like 30 gb to install windows on?
[18:54] <coreymon77> and why would ou ever want to do that?
[18:54] <psyco> Because I need a windows partiton
[18:55] <rickest> psyco: download and burn the GParted LiveCD
[18:55] <psyco> cool. Thanks
[18:57] <ActionParsnip> JohnFlux_: can yuo recommend one?
[18:59] <__-osh-__> psyco: have a look at knoppix. that's a wonderful recovery-cd. Got all the tools you need. =)
[18:59]  * __-osh-__ just realized that that was slightly ot.
[19:00] <psyco> lol
[19:00] <coreymon77> or jsut use the kubuntu live
[19:00] <coreymon77> never failed me
[19:01] <__-osh-__> coreymon77: Agreed. Kubuntu live is also good. There's just a special place in my heart for that other distro. It has saved me more times than I can count. =)
[19:10] <uffo> hello how i can run firefox from firefox-bin - do not tell me about install with sudo thing just how to launch firefox
[19:10] <__-osh-__> uffo: sh ./firefox-bin perhaps?
[19:11] <__-osh-__> uffo: or just sh ./firefox
[19:11] <uffo> i unpacked firefox 3 tar.bz2 to documents and where i write that sh./firefox
[19:12] <__-osh-__> uffo: yeah. just remember the space between the "sh" and the "./firefox"
[19:12] <uffo> do i write this to console?
[19:13] <__-osh-__> uffo: yeah. in that directory. or just click on the firefox icon in dolphin.
[19:14]  * __-osh-__ will now log off to test his new kde4 installation. If I don't come back I must have broken something. =)
[19:15] <uffo> but i clicked firefox-bin in dolphin but it wants open it with something, i even set permission "is executeable" but nothing
[19:16] <__-osh-__> uffo: in console, go to the directory with firefox-bin in it. type ./firefox-bin
[19:16] <HighHo> uffo: clcik the file called "firefox" not firefox-bin
[19:16] <HighHo> *click
[19:16] <__-osh-__> uffo: if firefox doesn't start. paste the output to me (perferably through pastebin).
[19:17] <__-osh-__> uffo: also, if ./firefox-bin don't work. test ./firefox
[19:17] <uffo> i test, it is on my laptop without internet
[19:18] <__-osh-__> uffo: then write what it sais.
[19:20]  * __-osh-__ is now on kde4.1. =)
[19:22] <uffo> command not found is answer
[19:22] <__-osh-__> uffo: are you in the correct directory?
[19:23] <uffo> path is /home/aero/documents/ - there is firefox files extracted
[19:24] <__-osh-__> uffo: are ALL files under /home/aero/documents? Make sure that the file called "firefox" is in that directory.
[19:25] <uffo> yes all firefox files like example: firefox-bin, plugins, greprefs, chrome...etc
[19:26] <strawbeRRy_fieLd> hi guys, i have kde3 hardy and use ff3 as a browser, nvidia drivers well installed, when i scrool down a page its extremely slow, why?
[19:26] <__-osh-__> uffo: then try sh ./firefox
[19:26] <__-osh-__> uffo: Same response?
[19:26] <uffo> you mean in console i go to this directory and type that
[19:26] <__-osh-__> strawbeRRy_fieLd: I've heard that nvidia can be very buggy. That might just affect kde4 though.
[19:26] <__-osh-__> uffo: yes
[19:26] <uffo> i test
[19:26] <strawbeRRy_fieLd> but i have kde3
[19:27] <__-osh-__> strawbeRRy_fieLd: not sure. but if the drivers are buggy in kde4 they might be bad in kde3 too?
[19:27] <strawbeRRy_fieLd> and its weird cuz when i was using the VESA (generic) drivers it wasnt happening but i had some other probs... now everything works fine but this scrolling issue
[19:28] <__-osh-__> strawbeRRy_fieLd: yeah. odd.
[19:28] <bdizzle> hi
[19:28] <strawbeRRy_fieLd> __-osh-__: i'm asking for help, not for sarcasm...
[19:28] <bdizzle> potentially serious problem. I didn't realize it, but I had left my laptop on after closing the lid. Two hours later, I discovered it still on, rather hot, in my backpack
[19:28] <__-osh-__> strawbeRRy_fieLd: I'm not being sarcastic. I'm trying to help.
[19:28] <bdizzle> is there a way to have it automatically hibernate when you close the lid of the laptop?
[19:29] <yao_ziyuan> ﻿if in the US i bought a DVD burner only to find it not-yet compliant with my ubuntu, can i get a full refund, or do i have to accept the product and wait until linux kernel supports it?
[19:29] <strawbeRRy_fieLd> thank you for your help then
[19:29] <strawbeRRy_fieLd> so what do i do?
[19:29] <__-osh-__> bdizzle: It should do that. Make sure you configure it to hibernate on lid close. That's a right click on the battery icon.
[19:29] <coreymon77> yao_ziyuan: you can return the burner
[19:29] <bdizzle> ok
[19:29] <coreymon77> yao_ziyuan: internal or external?
[19:31] <__-osh-__> strawbeRRy_fieLd: As I said. I'm not sure as I've never had that problem myself. And debugging proprietary software is kind of tricky (and basically nvidias job). Perhaps try the open-source "nv" driver instead of their official?
[19:31] <__-osh-__> uffo: No luck?
[19:32] <strawbeRRy_fieLd> when i installed the NVIDIA drivers i had to disable the "nv" ones by putting them in "DISABLE MODULES" otherwise the official ones wouldnt work
[19:32] <uffo> it shows cant open  sh ./firefox
[19:32] <uffo> ./firefox
[19:32] <uffo> it shows cant open ./firefox
[19:33] <bdizzle> I remember Gutsy having some issues with Hibernation. Has this been resolved with Hardy?
[19:33] <coreymon77> hibernation works perfectly
[19:33] <coreymon77> i do it all the time
[19:33] <bdizzle> ok
[19:34] <yao_ziyuan> coreymon77: return for full refund? i love the US!
[19:35] <__-osh-__> strawbeRRy_fieLd:  Not sure but have a look here. http://tinyurl.com/685j62 quite a lot of things about performance issues and nvidia.
[19:35] <coreymon77> ...
[19:35] <strawbeRRy_fieLd> alright thx
[19:35] <yao_ziyuan> coreymon77: internal. now it's certain that this is a linux kernel driver problem because many users complained about the same problem on ubuntuforums.org and there are discussions about the burner type on linux.kernel newsgroup.
[19:35] <__-osh-__> uffo: can't open?
[19:36] <uffo> yes that it shows
[19:36] <uffo> in console
[19:36] <coreymon77> yao_ziyuan: i have no clue
[19:36] <coreymon77> yao_ziyuan: you might have some problems returning it if it has been opened
[19:36] <yao_ziyuan> coreymon77: you have no clue if i would get refund?
[19:36] <__-osh-__> uffo:  write "ls -la firefox" without the quoutes.
[19:36] <coreymon77> yao_ziyuan: thats not the point
[19:37] <coreymon77> yao_ziyuan: where did you get the burner from
[19:37] <__-osh-__> uffo: tell me the permissions (-rwx-----) thing in the begining.
[19:37] <yao_ziyuan> coreymon77: i'm in mainland china and i bought it from a popular hardware reseller
[19:37] <coreymon77> okay
[19:37] <coreymon77> then check the stores return policy
[19:38] <uffo> what permission jou mean in documents folder properties with right click
[19:38] <coreymon77> if you can return the burner even after opening the package
[19:38] <coreymon77> do so
[19:38] <coreymon77> and you should get a refund
[19:38] <__-osh-__> strawbeRRy_fieLd: From one of the search results I linked. "2D performance problems with the newer GeForce graphics cards [...] This is especially apparent when rendering complex web pages with Firefox 3..."
[19:38] <coreymon77> what does it matter if the burner just doesnt work with your computer
[19:39] <yao_ziyuan> coreymon77: i got replacement once at that store even though i opened the package of the original machine
[19:39] <coreymon77> okay, so you can get a replacement again
[19:39] <yao_ziyuan> coreymon77: but the problem is not about replacement
[19:39] <yao_ziyuan> coreymon77: the burner type is not yet supported by linux
[19:39] <coreymon77> so you want to return it
[19:40] <merike> anyone has 8.04 live cd near them (not 8.04.1)?
[19:40] <yao_ziyuan> coreymon77: yes, but it doesn't allow return
[19:40] <coreymon77> why are you asking this in a linux support channel, this has nothing to do with linux
[19:40] <yao_ziyuan> coreymon77: only infinite times of replacements
[19:40] <coreymon77> the fact that the burner wont work ahs nothing to do with returning it
[19:40] <buckethead> The craftsman of electronics!
[19:40] <yao_ziyuan> coreymon77: just want to know if stores in the US in general allow full refund in such a case
[19:40] <Pici> !offtopic
[19:41] <coreymon77> this is pointless
[19:41] <bdizzle> what is?
[19:41] <coreymon77> bdizzle: trying to explain this to him
[19:41] <bdizzle> okay, 99% of stores do not accept open software OR hardware
[19:41] <bdizzle> so if you've bought it, opened it, its yours
[19:42] <buckethead> Really? hardware too?
[19:42] <bdizzle> regardless of any circumstance
[19:42] <bdizzle> in many cases, yes
[19:42] <Pici> Please take offtopic conversation elsewhere, perhaps #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic, this is a Kubuntu support channel.
[19:42] <yao_ziyuan> wow
[19:42] <coreymon77> hardware is sometimes easier
[19:42] <uffo> i tested that ls -la firefox but it shows cannot access firefox: no such file or directory
[19:42] <bdizzle> that's capitalism for you
[19:42] <bdizzle> now then, can we move back on topic please?
[19:42] <yao_ziyuan> thought america was heaven...
[19:43] <bdizzle> it used to be, it used to be
[19:43] <buckethead> Only when your not at the gas pump.
[19:43] <coreymon77> LOL
[19:43] <__-osh-__> uffo: then you most probably are in the wrong directory.
[19:43]  * coreymon77 is actually canadian
[19:44] <bdizzle> now then, can we continue this convo in #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[19:44]  * __-osh-__ don't understand why americans complain about gas prices. They've got about half of what I'm paying.
[19:44] <coreymon77> __-osh-__: so, doesnt mean people cant complain
[19:44] <bdizzle> the economy doesn't support it and hasn't adjusted. Europe has had 10 years now to adjust to that high of prices. the US hasn't
[19:45] <uffo> is there GUI way to launch firefox - in windows i extract firefox and click firefox.exe
[19:45] <coreymon77> __-osh-__: you can complain about a cut hurting even though there are people with much worse injuries in the world
[19:45] <__-osh-__> Yeah, I know, I know. I just wanted a little sympathy... :-/
[19:45] <bdizzle> uffo, go to the K-menu, click on internet, then "firefox"
[19:45] <uffo> btw i have kde4
[19:45] <bdizzle> oh... not sure
[19:45] <buckethead> No sympathy here, or deviation from the topic.
[19:45] <coreymon77> why isnt he using apt btw?
[19:45] <uffo> no firefox
[19:45] <bdizzle> try #kde4
[19:45] <buckethead> uffo: Same idea but it might say 'web browser'
[19:45] <__-osh-__> uffo: go to the firefox directory. click on firefox.
[19:45] <bdizzle> #kde4
[19:46] <uffo> only conqueror
[19:46] <coreymon77> why isnt he using apt?
[19:46] <bdizzle> for what?
[19:46] <coreymon77> firefox
[19:46] <bdizzle> or do you mean to install it?
[19:46] <bdizzle> uffo?
[19:46] <__-osh-__> coreymon77: Didn't want to. He had a local copy that he wants to use.
[19:46] <bdizzle> I keep forgetting. They got rid of kicker in KDE 4 ... *sigh*
[19:46] <coreymon77> well apparently this local copy isnt working
[19:46] <__-osh-__> coreymon77: or she. hart to tell from a nick.
[19:46] <uffo> i clicked firefox-bin, firefox and run-mozilla.sh
[19:46] <coreymon77> use apt
[19:47] <uffo> nothing
[19:47] <__-osh-__> s/hart/hard/g
[19:47] <coreymon77> now im going to eat
[19:47] <bdizzle> hmm, not sure about 4.1. I use 3.5.9 and it works fine
[19:47] <uffo> even changed permission to is executeable in properties
[19:47] <bdizzle> I'm sure it works in 4.1, but I haven't used plasma yet
[19:48] <__-osh-__> I use kde4 and run firefox3 just fine. Installed via aptitude.
[19:48] <uffo> no internet
[19:48] <__-osh-__> right. that was the problem.
[19:48] <bdizzle> okay, so then uffo, go into terminal (or whatever you use) and type in sudo apt-get install firefox3.0
[19:48] <bdizzle> err, firefox-3.0
[19:48] <__-osh-__> bdizzle: except s/he doesn't have internet on that box.
[19:49] <bdizzle> oh... okay
[19:49] <bdizzle> fun, um, use konqueror for now ... although if you have another computer that is running kubuntu, use APTonCD to install the repos
[19:49] <bdizzle> otherwise its going to be dependency hell. Its do-able, but its hell to copy files over with a jump drive and manually do everything
[19:49] <__-osh-__> uffo: If nothing happens when you click on the "firefox" icon then we could see what the problem is by going into console and typing firefox from there.
[19:50] <__-osh-__> uffo: But then you'll have to be in the correct directory where that file actually is.
[19:50] <__-osh-__> uffo: Are you absolutely sure that you are in the correct directory in your console window?
[19:50] <uffo> bdizzle: it showed cannot find package firefox-3.0
[19:50] <bdizzle> it should be in /usr/bin/
[19:51] <bdizzle> yeah, that's because the repos haven't been updated
[19:51] <bdizzle> is this a fresh install?
[19:51] <uffo> network card is fryed (got cheap core2 laptop) so no internet and it comes multimedia center
[19:52] <bdizzle> okay, then you're going to have to get a USB network adapter of some kind
[19:52] <uffo> no i wan install manually like in windows
[19:52] <bdizzle> I've got a Linksys WUSB54G that works with ndiswrapper (native drivers don't work properly)
[19:52] <bdizzle> what do you mean "manually install" ?
[19:52] <coreymon77> uffo: well im sorry to say, too bad
[19:53] <bdizzle> there is no firefox.exe file to use
[19:53] <coreymon77> uffo: linux doesnt use exe's
[19:53] <bdizzle> you have to install all the dependencies first, then install firefox from that
[19:53] <coreymon77> uffo: this is how you install stuff in linux
[19:53] <bdizzle> windows uses .dll files, but those are automatically installed when you run setup.exe
[19:53] <uffo> i know that there is no exe
[19:54] <uffo> there is .bin files
[19:54] <coreymon77> uffo: if you want it to work, you have to follow our instructions
[19:54] <bdizzle> in linux, particularly debian based distros, like *buntu, you have to install the dependencies yourself, then install the program you want.
[19:54] <coreymon77> you asked for help, we are giving it to you
[19:54] <coreymon77> uffo: apt does that all for you
[19:54] <uffo> but i want use firefox like in windows i extract archive and launch
[19:54] <bdizzle> alternatively, if you have a fast internet connection, as is recommended with linux, use sudo apt-get, or use add/remove programs.
[19:54] <bdizzle> LINUX ISN"T WINDOWS
[19:55] <bdizzle> you have to break that idea first if you are going to use it
[19:55] <coreymon77> uffo: heres something you are going to have to accept
[19:55] <uffo> but it should handle portable software
[19:55] <coreymon77> uffo: LINUX IS NOT WINDOWS, THINGS WORK DIFFERENTLY!
[19:55] <bdizzle> it does, but not the same way
[19:55] <bdizzle> windows has .exe program files and .dll support files
[19:55] <bdizzle> *buntu has .deb program files and .deb support files
[19:55] <coreymon77> linux has programs and dependencies
[19:56] <uffo> linux has .bin program and .so files is like .dll-s - i have understand it that way
[19:59] <bdizzle> .bin files means you build it from source
[19:59] <bdizzle> have you done any programing uffo?
[19:59] <uffo> no i am not programmer
[19:59] <bdizzle> okay
[19:59] <bdizzle> in programming, namely C++ as an example.
[20:00] <bdizzle> you have to write the program yourself, then save it as a .cpp file, then you have to compile it, then you can run it
[20:00] <bdizzle> that .bin file is the .cpp file (badly worded, but essentially). it is the instructions that tells that program how to run it
[20:00] <uffo> i am window user and i know programmings in just what it means and i can use windows filesystem very good level
[20:00] <coreymon77> uffo: first things first
[20:00] <bdizzle> LISTEN first
[20:00] <coreymon77> uffo: youre screwed until you get yourself a working internet connection on that computer
[20:01] <bdizzle> not necessarily coreymon77
[20:01] <bdizzle> its possible, but its dependency hell
[20:01] <uffo> but why i cant install programs offline
[20:01] <coreymon77> bdizzle: do we really need to go through that
[20:01] <bdizzle> haha
[20:01] <coreymon77> bdizzle: you can
[20:01] <bdizzle> point taken
[20:01] <coreymon77> whoops
[20:01] <coreymon77> wrong tab
[20:02] <coreymon77> uffo: you are installing offline, you just need an internet connection to get the program and its deps
[20:03] <bdizzle> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/
[20:03] <bdizzle> if you have a jump drive, you can navigate through this site to find all the packages you need.
[20:03] <bdizzle> but you must be careful, you have to do it in almost the correct order to get it to work
[20:04] <coreymon77> bdizzle: you sure you want him to go through this
[20:04] <bdizzle> its the only way to learn
[20:04] <coreymon77> oh well
[20:04] <coreymon77> its your funeral
[20:04] <uffo> and there is no fully automated packages like windows has installers (i know package .deb windows has .exe .msi
[20:04] <coreymon77> uffo: yes there is
[20:04] <coreymon77> uffo: apt
[20:04] <bdizzle> uffo, you can use apt-get, but that requires a working internet connection
[20:04] <uffo> and that apt can target offline packs
[20:05] <uffo> too
[20:05] <coreymon77> uffo: but just as you need internet to get exes and msi's to install, so do you need apt to get .debs to install
[20:05] <bdizzle> apt can, but only if you already have them installed on your computer
[20:05] <coreymon77> uffo: you need to get the .debs from somewhere, which requires internet connection
[20:06] <coreymon77> uffo: once you have a working internet connection, installing firefox requires one simple command in console
[20:06] <uffo> i know i have done that with package managers in ubuntu
[20:07] <coreymon77> look, you dont know how to compile
[20:07] <coreymon77> so just get an internet connection and use apt
[20:07] <coreymon77> take the advice or leave it
[20:07] <bdizzle> ok
[20:07] <bdizzle> wait, you've used ubuntu before?
[20:07] <uffo> yes little bit
[20:07] <bdizzle> okay, kubuntu is the same core, its just different mask on it (ie, the KDE desktop vs. GNOME)
[20:08] <uffo> and i used package managers to remove, flush, install
[20:08] <bdizzle> alright, you know how in Ubuntu you had synaptic?
[20:08] <bdizzle> yeah
[20:08] <bdizzle> in Kubuntu you have Adept. Same damn thing, just different name. You can use Synaptic if you want, but not until you get an internet connection to download the GNOME requirements
[20:09] <coreymon77> as i said
[20:09] <coreymon77> youre screwed without internet, so deal with that first
[20:09] <bdizzle> uffo, do you have some way of connecting that laptop to the internet? even if its a hard-line, it will work. it doesn't have to be wireless
[20:10] <byteme_> hi all
[20:11] <uffo> yes but now i want know why linux cannot launch binary files just after extract, why it must integrate software
[20:11] <byteme_> can I access my store PC with linux from my office out of state like 'pc anywhere'?
[20:12] <uffo> i understand that driver integrates but software ??
[20:12] <coreymon77> uffo: it can
[20:12] <byteme_> it 'looks' like i can, but cant figure it out
[20:12] <bdizzle> byteme, !ssh
[20:12] <bdizzle> !ssh
[20:12] <coreymon77> uffo: programs need dependencies met to run though
[20:12] <coreymon77> uffo: if a dependency isnt met, it wont work
[20:12] <byteme_> great thanks
[20:13] <coreymon77> uffo: now you can take a vacation to dependency hell and try and get them all in the right order yourself, or listen to us and use apt
[20:13] <bdizzle> uffo, while windows is typically "one piece of software to do it," linux is mostly modular, meaning that you can swap out pieces as you see fit
[20:13] <bdizzle> ie, for me, kubuntu comes with knetworkmanger. Works great for most
[20:14] <bdizzle> I only prefer to use it with a wired connection. Otherwise, I prefer to use wicd, as I like the interface better
[20:14] <bdizzle> unlike in windows, which forces you to use its wireless wizard
[20:15] <coreymon77> which doesnt work anyways
[20:15] <bdizzle> more often than not, no
[20:18] <uffo> i know but can i copy these dependencyes to firefox to use it
[20:18] <coreymon77> uffo: only if you have them installed, which you dont
[20:20] <bdizzle> which dependencies?
[20:20] <coreymon77> for ff
[20:20] <bdizzle> ....
[20:20] <uffo> do firefox requires some i dont know
[20:20] <bdizzle> yes, plenty
[20:20] <bdizzle> uffo, do you have a 2 GB jump drive and about 12 hours to spare?
[20:21] <uffo> i have dvd-ram disc
[20:21] <bdizzle> I said jump drive, not cd/dvd-ram
[20:21] <uffo> no jumpdrive
[20:21] <bdizzle> its going to take an additional 6 hours on top of that to burn things, and to find new disks each time
[20:22] <coreymon77> then get a working internet connection or you are SOL
[20:24] <coreymon77> uffo: what exactly are you using to talk to us btw
[20:24] <coreymon77> uffo: and whats what, SOL?
[20:25] <uffo> Received CTCP 'VERSION' (to uffo) from coreymon77
[20:25] <uffo> ?
[20:25] <coreymon77> uffo: oh, thats to check what irc client you are using
[20:25] <coreymon77> i though you said you didnt have internet
[20:25] <coreymon77> then how are you talking to us
[20:25] <uffo> pidgin newest on billg xp
[20:26] <uffo> laptop do not
[20:26] <uffo> but my quadcore has internet
[20:26] <coreymon77> do you have an ethernet cable anywhere
[20:26] <uffo> lot of with linksys wrt54gl
[20:26] <coreymon77> because then you could just use that to get internet on your lappy
[20:27] <uffo> i told card is fryed
[20:27] <bdizzle> I need to get me some internet.... but my tube isn't big enough
[20:27] <coreymon77>  /facepalm@
[20:27] <coreymon77> youre wireless card is broken
[20:27] <coreymon77> but dont you have an ethernet port somewhere on your laptop
[20:28] <coreymon77> bah
[20:28] <coreymon77> i give up
[20:28] <uffo> yes but no drivers
[20:28] <coreymon77> i really dont feel like dealing with this right now
[20:30] <uffo> looks like i must wait ReactOS, it is only hope for me for simple usage
[20:31] <bdizzle> linux, especially these days, doesnt work so well without an internet connection
[20:31] <bdizzle> other than what is installed on that livecd
[20:31] <bdizzle> which really isn't much
[20:31] <shadowhywind> hay all whats the system requirements for kubuntu?
[20:31] <bdizzle> and on a laptop, that wireless card is kinda essential
[20:32] <RurouniJones> Methinks uffo is a troll, most wired NICs on laptops are supported in Linux
[20:32] <uffo> hope that kubuntu one day in future supports portable software launching
[20:32] <RurouniJones> It is only the wireless ones that commonly give problems
[20:32] <RurouniJones> Plus the other statements are indicative of trolling
[20:32] <austin_> I was installing games through the add/remove thing. While they were installing, it froze and I had to reboot. Now when I start up, I get a thing saying that my hard drive might be failing and I have to press F1 to continue. Could a crash while installing games really end up killing my hard drive?
[20:32] <coreymon77> RurouniJones: or just an idiot
[20:33] <coreymon77> austin_: yup
[20:33] <RurouniJones> Or that
[20:33] <bdizzle> uffo, it never will due to licensing restrictions
[20:33] <RurouniJones> Either way, I would /ignore him and move on with your lives ;)
[20:33] <coreymon77> austin_: because your hard drive was being written to at the time
[20:33] <coreymon77> austin_: and then was interrupted
[20:33] <bdizzle> which is why it doesn't come with Adobe acrobat or Flash or .mp3 support
[20:34] <austin_> Do you think there's a high chance of my hard drive giving out now?
[20:34] <coreymon77> bdizzle: you can get those though
[20:34] <bdizzle> hard drives go out for any reason
[20:34] <coreymon77> with apt!
[20:34] <bdizzle> I know you can
[20:34] <coreymon77> austin_: it could
[20:34] <bdizzle> but yes, through apt-get
[20:34] <austin_> I hope not, I can't afford another one. :(
[20:34] <RurouniJones> austin_: It could be the HHD was already dying and installing the game just pushed it over the edge
[20:34] <coreymon77> austin_: not for sure though
[20:34] <bdizzle> sometimes they just don't feel like getting up and working
[20:34] <uffo> what licencing affects portable software usage
[20:34] <coreymon77> austin_: how old is the drive
[20:34] <bdizzle> this stupid thing called copyright?
[20:35] <austin_> Not too old, but I can't be certain. Is there a way to check?
[20:35] <bdizzle> !medibuntu
[20:35] <austin_> It's 180 gigs or so.
[20:35] <RurouniJones> austin_: There are disk checkers for bad sectors
[20:35] <uffo> gpl do not block using portable softwares
[20:35] <coreymon77> well, my laptops drive just died out of nowhere last week
[20:35] <RurouniJones> I had a brand new drive die in 2 days because it had so many bad sectors I used up the spares quickly
[20:35] <bdizzle> uffo, define "portable software" for me please?
[20:35] <coreymon77> lappy was still under warranty though
[20:36] <RurouniJones> I don't know what the linux proggies are unfortuntaely
[20:36] <coreymon77> bdizzle: exe's
[20:36] <austin_> What would I search for to find one? I just started using Linux not too long ago.
[20:36] <bdizzle> oh
[20:36] <RurouniJones> bdizzle: I would ignore him, he is probably a troll
[20:36] <uffo> what is troll
[20:36] <Dragnslcr> austin_- I doubt that your hard drive is about to fail
[20:36] <coreymon77> bah, im tired of this, im going away for a while
[20:36] <uffo> explain
[20:36] <coreymon77> !troll
[20:36]  * bdizzle facepalms
[20:36] <bdizzle> I have class to go to, later all
[20:37] <RurouniJones> austin_: Are you linux only or do you have dual boot with windows
[20:37] <uffo> troll ? trolltech qt4 i know
[20:37] <austin_> I only have Linux, I had to format and I accidently got rid of my windows cd.
[20:37] <coreymon77> uffo: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/troll_(internet)
[20:37] <Dragnslcr> austin_- if your computer locked up, the operating system has to check the hard drive for inconsistent data (i.e. stuff that didn't get fully written to the disk before it locked)
[20:38] <Dragnslcr> austin_- this isn't unique to Linux, either. Windows will do the same thing
[20:38] <RurouniJones> austin_: your HDD manufacturer might have a disk diagnostic utility that will run from freedos or a floppy or something
[20:38] <coreymon77> Dragnslcr: have him do a fschk
[20:39] <austin_> I was just installing like a gig or so of games. Then at about 19% it froze and wouldn't unfreeze so I had to reboot.
[20:39] <uffo> i do not post offtopic i post about kubuntu (read what troll was from wikipedia)
[20:39] <austin_> This feels like a stupid time to say this, but I love how you just have to search through stuff on that progam to automatically download and install it.
[20:39] <austin_> Instead of looking over the internet.
[20:40] <coreymon77> austin_: you'll get used to it
[20:40] <Dragnslcr> coreymon77- yeah, I think that's it's telling him it wants to do when it boots
[20:41] <austin_> How do you do a fschk thing?
[20:42] <Dragnslcr> austin_- it should have done it automatically when you rebooted (or at least said "Press [some key] to run a check"
[20:43] <tangirehv> hello guys
[20:43] <austin_> Oh, I'll reboot in afew minutes to see what my other choice was.
[20:43] <tangirehv> how can I use prtable apps with Ubuntu?
[20:43] <tangirehv> portable*
[20:44] <RurouniJones> as in http://portableapps.com/ portable apps?
[20:44] <tangirehv> yes..
[20:44] <RurouniJones> You could try wine
[20:44] <austin_> Be right back, going to go check it out.
[20:44] <RurouniJones> but those portableapps are windows portable apps
[20:44] <RurouniJones> as in "Any windows machine"
[20:44] <RurouniJones> NOt portable between different OSes
[20:45] <coreymon77> RurouniJones: he wants to install firefox without using apt, from source, without an internet connection
[20:45] <tangirehv> i mean analogical linux apps
[20:45] <coreymon77> and is complaining than the firefox .bin file that you can download from mozilla's site wont work
[20:45] <tangirehv> like ubuntuapps.com or smt
[20:45] <coreymon77> without the deps
[20:45] <coreymon77> RurouniJones: oh sorry, that was the other guy, the troll person
[20:45] <uffo> yes friend wants know this too, i messing currently with that kubuntu
[20:46] <RurouniJones> Aye, that was uffo coreymon77
[20:46] <RurouniJones> tangirehv: There is currently no similar project in linux
[20:46] <RurouniJones> however if you wanted you could install an entire linux operating system on a USB stick
[20:46] <RurouniJones> and install the apps on that USB'd linux install and take it wherever you wanted
[20:46] <coreymon77> RurouniJones: it would be very hard to do something like that with linux programs due to the fact that you would need all of the dependencies aswell to run
[20:46] <tangirehv> yes.. that could be possibility
[20:47] <tangirehv> but thos dependencies are horrible yes
[20:47] <RurouniJones> tangirehv: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/
[20:47] <coreymon77> i personally just use sync extensions with firefox such as foxmarks so that i can sync all of my stuff wherever firefox is
[20:47] <uffo> maybe future brings better softwareusability
[20:47] <coreymon77> tangirehv: not really, apt takes care of them all
[20:48] <coreymon77> as long as you have a working internet connection, its very easy
[20:48] <RurouniJones> just install your ubuntu distro of choice on a USB stick, install all the apps you want with apt-get and away you go
[20:48] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- have you tried looking at the README or INSTALL files that I assume come with the download?
[20:48] <coreymon77> uffo: maybe the the 1990's brings the internet
[20:48] <uffo> but windows can be used without ninternet why linux cannot
[20:49] <uffo> internet
[20:49] <coreymon77> uffo: you once you get the .debs you can install it offline without internet
[20:49] <coreymon77> uffo: just like an msi
[20:49] <tangirehv> well.. the word "install" is bothersome itself.. there should be no install. i just copy app into apps dir and remove it when i want it. that it
[20:49] <Dragnslcr> uffo- of course Linux can be used without an active Internet connection
[20:49] <coreymon77> uffo: but just like in windows, you need internet to get the msi file in the first place
[20:49] <uffo> yes yes but is there firefox .deb
[20:49] <uffo> for offline
[20:49] <uffo> usage
[20:50] <coreymon77> yes
[20:50] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- and what happens when you try running the binary?
[20:50] <coreymon77> you just need to get its dependency debs long with it
[20:50] <tangirehv> it should run
[20:50] <tangirehv> directly
[20:50] <coreymon77> Dragnslcr: prob another dependency problem
[20:51] <uffo> offical firefox pange do not deliver .deb olny tar.bz2
[20:51] <uffo> page
[20:51] <Dragnslcr> uffo- of course, since Firefox works on any Linux system, not just Debian-based systems
[20:51] <coreymon77> uffo: because only debian-based systems use debs
[20:52] <uffo> is there link to download .deb in my windows to move it dvd
[20:52] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- did you extract the bz2 file and try executing the firefox binary?
[20:52] <austin_> Primary master hard disk S.M.A.R.T status bad. Warning: Immediate backup your data and replace your hard disk drive. A failure may be imminent.
[20:52] <coreymon77> Dragnslcr: he doesnt have a working internet connection and has some sort of problem with using apt
[20:52] <RurouniJones> uffo: Before you say another word, go and read about apt-get and package management in general
[20:52] <Dragnslcr> !aptoncd | uffo
[20:52] <tangirehv> and why they still use the inconvenient tar.gz/bz2 achiving.. and why not 7-zip?
[20:52] <austin_> I wasn't able to do a check thing, it didn't give me the option.
[20:52] <austin_> But that's what it says at start up.
[20:53] <Dragnslcr> coreymon77- which of course raises the question of what good Firefox will do
[20:53] <coreymon77> Dragnslcr: he doesnt have the deps for ff, so its not gonna work without
[20:53] <RurouniJones> Linux installs programs in a different, and in my opinion, much better way that windows
[20:53] <HighHo> uffo: If you dont want to download things a good start would be using the kubuntu dvd to start off with, you can download it free or purchase it for a fair price
[20:53] <coreymon77> Dragnslcr: who cares
[20:53] <uffo> ubottu: can i create dvd in windows too
[20:53] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- because gzip and bzip2 are far more available on Linux systems
[20:53] <tangirehv> but 7zip is open source also
[20:54] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- that's great, but it isn't nearly as common
[20:54] <RurouniJones> But it hasn't been enshrined in UNIX usages since the old days
[20:54] <coreymon77> Dragnslcr: he needs to get aptoncd on a windows computer
[20:54] <RurouniJones> if I give you a tar.gz file and you run linux I know you will be able to open it
[20:54] <tangirehv> well. ok. let that archiving be, but..
[20:54] <coreymon77> and then burn the disc on windows and then use the disc on linux
[20:54] <uffo> yes
[20:54] <Dragnslcr> coreymon77- that should be exciting
[20:54] <coreymon77> Dragnslcr: i know
[20:54] <coreymon77> Dragnslcr: i said it would be much easier to just get another damn wireless card
[20:54] <RurouniJones> or just plug in the wired
[20:55] <coreymon77> Dragnslcr: but he wants to make an argument
[20:55] <tangirehv> can i do with the firefox on linux on the same way as on windows..  just exctract it and run it
[20:55] <Dragnslcr> Or another Ethernet cable
[20:55] <coreymon77> tangirehv: no
[20:55] <tangirehv> why?
[20:55] <coreymon77> tangirehv: do this
[20:55] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- Mozilla has a binary package available for download
[20:55] <coreymon77> tangirehv: sudo apt-get install firefox
[20:55] <coreymon77> tangirehv: type that in konsole
[20:55] <RurouniJones> Or just use the package manager
[20:56] <tangirehv> but.. sudo  apt-get extract-run firefox?
[20:56] <coreymon77> tangirehv: no
[20:56] <coreymon77> tangirehv: sudo apt-get install firefox
[20:56] <Dragnslcr> Well yeah, but he seems to be irrationally opposed to using apt
[20:56] <coreymon77> tangirehv: just that
[20:56] <coreymon77> Dragnslcr: thats the other guy
[20:56] <Dragnslcr> I thought that was both of them
[20:56] <coreymon77> tangirehv: type that into konsole
[20:56] <Guest36573> hi
[20:57] <tangirehv> or just sodu run firefox.tar.bz2?
[20:57] <Guest36573> short question
[20:57] <coreymon77> tangirehv: just do what i said
[20:57] <RurouniJones> no tangirehv, EXACTLY waht coreymon77 typed
[20:57] <Guest36573> irc://chat.freenode.net/#elisa i have link like this, how can i connect to it?
[20:57] <tangirehv> ok
[20:57] <Guest36573> what part of this is server
[20:57] <coreymon77> tangirehv: sudo apt-get install firefox
[20:57] <RurouniJones> the chat.freenode.net is the server
[20:57] <tangirehv> but where does it saves it preferences?
[20:57] <Dragnslcr> Guest36573- /join #elisa
[20:57] <KRF> Guest36573, /join #elisa
[20:57] <KRF> meh
[20:57] <coreymon77> tangirehv: just do it!
[20:57] <Dragnslcr> W00t! I win!
[20:58] <tangirehv> ff i mean..
[20:58] <coreymon77> tangirehv: dont worry
[20:58] <RurouniJones> tangirehv: We are a help channel, we help people, just do us a favour and work with us...after Firefox is installed we will tell you where settings are saved etc
[20:58] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- ~/.mozilla
[20:58] <tangirehv> dows firefox put it setting in the firefox.tar.bz2 when i do the command: sudo apt-get install firefox?
[20:58] <tangirehv> does*
[20:58] <Dragnslcr> No
[20:59] <tangirehv> setting*
[20:59] <tangirehv> settings*
[20:59] <Dragnslcr> You don't need the bz2 file if you're installing from the repository
[20:59] <RurouniJones> the tar.bz2 file is utternyl not needed. We are not installined from it, you can delete it and not care
[20:59] <Guest36573> by the way, can you tell me if it is possible to controll my laptop with IR pilot?
[21:00] <Dragnslcr> !ir
[21:00] <Dragnslcr> That's not what I wanted
[21:00] <tangirehv> ok, but i dont like this sodu stuf.. why could there be just some other utility like judo, just type the command: judo run firefox and that it?
[21:00] <uffo> where to download .deb file for my kubuntu 8.04, no sudo things
[21:00] <Dragnslcr> Guest36573- might have to ask Google
[21:00] <tangirehv> sudo*
[21:00] <Guest36573> Dragnsclr - i tried
[21:00] <coreymon77> tangirehv: no
[21:01] <coreymon77> tangirehv: just do what i said
[21:01] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- because you need to be an administrator to install programs
[21:01] <tangirehv> why isn't there such utility?
[21:01] <Guest36573> i stopped at chosing device
[21:01] <coreymon77> tangirehv: all sudo means is that you are running it with root privileges
[21:01] <tangirehv> but i don't need to be admin to run programs
[21:01] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- it prevents unauthorized programs from being installed
[21:01] <Guest36573> what should i choose as a device?
[21:01] <coreymon77> tangirehv: you need it to install though
[21:01] <coreymon77> tangirehv: we are here to help
[21:01] <Guest36573> "/dev/irda0" or something?
[21:01] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- no, you don't, but to install them you do
[21:01] <coreymon77> tangirehv: run this command
[21:01] <coreymon77> tangirehv: sudo apt-get install firefox
[21:01] <coreymon77> tangirehv: just do it and thats all
[21:02] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- after it's installed, you can run Firefox without being root
[21:02] <tangirehv> stupid system :S
[21:02] <coreymon77> tangirehv: after its installed you can run firefox from the start menu
[21:02] <Dragnslcr> Guest36573- I honestly have no idea, sorry. I don't have an IR receiver hooked up to my computer
[21:02] <Guest36573> ok no problem
[21:03] <uffo> now i use root account, where i can get firefox3.0.deb file without sudo thing
[21:03] <coreymon77> tangirehv: you see, he cooperates
[21:03] <coreymon77> sudo means nothing
[21:03] <coreymon77> apt-get is the thing you have an irrational fear of
[21:03] <Daisuke_Ido> uffo: then you're not very bright.
[21:03] <Guest36573> uffo -> which ubuntu do you use?
[21:04] <Guest36573> and in what architecture?
[21:04] <uffo> kubuntu 8.04 kde4 remix
[21:04] <Daisuke_Ido> shoulda known :)
[21:04] <uffo> core2 duo laptop x86
[21:04] <Guest36573> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/firefox
[21:04] <Guest36573> on the bottom you will se links
[21:05] <coreymon77> Guest36573: he doesnt have all of firefox's deps, without them even the deb wont install
[21:05] <uffo> Guest36573: thanks now something starts moving
[21:05] <tangirehv> lets discuss about portability of programs on linux
[21:06] <Guest36573> coreymon77 sudo apt-get -f install will help (?)
[21:06] <coreymon77> Guest36573: they wont use apt!
[21:06] <tangirehv> and no single word on sudo or judo or whatever that crap is..
[21:06] <RurouniJones> Lets make it simple tangirehv. In the sense that you want it, equivalent of portableapps.com - They don't
[21:06] <RurouniJones> It doesn't exist, zip, nil nada
[21:07] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- everything that comes from the Ubuntu repositories will work with Ubuntu. Any other issues of portability are off topic for this channel
[21:07] <tangirehv> sudo nahui
[21:07] <Daisuke_Ido> tangirehv: get over it.  sudo exists, get used to it.
[21:07] <uffo> and do i download these all red dependencies then is ready to install
[21:07] <coreymon77> yup
[21:07] <uffo> firefox 3.0
[21:07] <uffo> ok i start
[21:07] <coreymon77> thats exactly what apt is doing
[21:07] <tangirehv> but explain me why tehere isnt any portable systems?
[21:08] <Daisuke_Ido> if you don't like it, use another distro that will let new users screw their systems by allowing them to run as root so they don't feel slightly inconvenienced
[21:08] <coreymon77> BECAUSE LINUX IS NOT WINDOWS!!!!!
[21:08] <coreymon77> FOR SHITS SAKE WHY WONT YOU GUYS GET THAT THROUGH YOUR DAMN THICK SKULLS!
[21:09] <tangirehv> judo or karate or something
[21:09] <Daisuke_Ido> tangirehv: you're obviously coming to linux with a windows mentality
[21:09] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- you haven't defined "portable"
[21:09] <Daisuke_Ido> whoa
[21:10] <RurouniJones> Dragnslcr: He wants http://www.portableapps.com for linux
[21:10]  * Daisuke_Ido hands corey a coffee
[21:10] <kkathman> yah whoa
[21:10] <Daisuke_Ido> kkathman: i feel his frustration, however
[21:10] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: how long have i been helping out in this channel
[21:10] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: how many years
[21:10] <kkathman> yeah but, still thats CoC violation big time
[21:10] <Daisuke_Ido> a long time, i know
[21:10] <Dragnslcr> RurouniJones- run programs without installing them?
[21:10] <kkathman> and he knows :)
[21:10] <Daisuke_Ido> that's the first time i've seen something like that
[21:11] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: have you ever seen me do that before
[21:11] <Daisuke_Ido> which is why i said whoa
[21:11] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: have you ever even seen me get angry
[21:11] <Daisuke_Ido> nope
[21:11] <coreymon77> exactly
[21:11] <uffo> wait wait i found word from google: you can build a deb package with all included dependencies
[21:11] <RurouniJones> Dragnslcr: Basically
[21:11]  * Daisuke_Ido headdesks
[21:11] <RurouniJones> I suggested WINE as his only possibility
[21:11] <uffo> someone should do these
[21:11] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: this is why i swore
[21:11] <uffo> full packs too
[21:11] <RurouniJones> Runt he windows portable apps from the USB key through WINE....but well, you can see the problems
[21:12] <Daisuke_Ido> uffo: and add tons of overhead to every program?  that's retarded.
[21:12] <Dragnslcr> RurouniJones- well, Linux isn't Windows, so technically you don't have to "install" programs, since there's no stupid registry
[21:12] <coreymon77> ive been dealing with this for the past hour and a half atleast
[21:12] <tangirehv> portable in my definition: is application that can run from it's directory and save all it's preferences or files into the same directory where it runs from. that way the application will not pollute my system and my system is always clean and secure and working
[21:12] <Daisuke_Ido> how about you just use sudo, and get on with it
[21:12] <coreymon77> Dragnslcr: what he needs it the deps
[21:12] <Daisuke_Ido> unless you're a very clever troll
[21:12] <RurouniJones> Jury is out on that one Daisuke_Ido
[21:12] <kkathman> coreymon77,  I'd do a preemptive damage control to those that review the logs if possible...yanno just to maybe diffuse things :)
[21:13] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- Linux doesn't quite work that way. Applications are installed to a common directory, and an individual user's settings are saved in their home directory
[21:13] <coreymon77> kkathman: and who are they
[21:13] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- unlike Windows, Linux is designed to be a multiuser system
[21:13] <kkathman> coreymon77,  hmm,  yanno the typical peeps I'd imagine
[21:14] <coreymon77> kkathman: what, like ridell and the like
[21:14] <rickest> tangirehv: how do different users have different settings then?
[21:14] <kkathman> coreymon77,  prolly a good start yeah...its prolly no biggie
[21:14] <coreymon77> kkathman: i know, they know me around here, and im trusted
[21:14] <tangirehv> well.. it keeps different profiles in it's directory
[21:15] <Daisuke_Ido> tangirehv: what does?
[21:15] <kkathman> coreymon77,  yah I know.
[21:15] <tangirehv> so that the whole application with it's s*it is in one place
[21:15] <Daisuke_Ido> tangirehv: that.  isn't.  how.  it.  works.
[21:15] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- yes, but those profiles belong to each user and are located in each user's home directory
[21:15] <Daisuke_Ido> am i speaking slow enough?
[21:16] <Dragnslcr> Daisuke_Ido- might need to slow down a bit more
[21:16] <tangirehv> but let the user chose where it wants to save settings!
[21:16] <Dragnslcr> No, you don't
[21:16] <Dragnslcr> Just let Firefox save its settings in your home directory
[21:17] <uffo> once i installed software and it updated dependencies too (when i tried ubuntu) then there was one software that replaced newer libs, after that ubuntu died - because of that i do not like shared libraries
[21:17] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- you need to understand that Linux is designed to be a multiuser system
[21:17] <mizipzor_> in kde4, when right pressing the keyboard layout configurator and selecting "configure", no matter what layout i choose, its a dvorak layout... i can see that because of it hints the command that will be executed... however, i cannot change the command... anyone knows why? and how to fix?
[21:17] <tangirehv> and when i want to remove firefox, i have to go through millions of directories until i get it wiped out
[21:17] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- unlike Windows, you don't have to worry about stepping over other user's settings
[21:18] <Daisuke_Ido> tangirehv: NO, you have to apt-get remove firefox, then delete .mozilla/firefox in each user's home
[21:18] <coreymon77> btw, to anyone that might have been offended by that earlier outburst, sorry bout tha
[21:18] <coreymon77> t
[21:18] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- well, that's why you'd want to use apt
[21:18] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not the end of the world, it won't kill you
[21:18] <RurouniJones> mizipzor_: #kubuntu-kde4
[21:18] <mizipzor_> RurouniJones: got it, thanks
[21:18] <tangirehv> buty does the apt-get remove 100% remove firefox, leaving no traces?
[21:19] <tangirehv> but*
[21:19]  * Dragnslcr wishes that I wouldn't get permanently banned for telling him to run rm
[21:19] <RurouniJones> tangirehv: Everything but each users local settings in their home directories
[21:19] <Daisuke_Ido> Dragnslcr: i'd back you up...  but probably wouldn't help
[21:19] <coreymon77> lol
[21:19] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- I believe apt-get remove leaves behind settings files, and apt-get purge removes everything
[21:20] <Daisuke_Ido> and is removing firefox something you're going to be doing on a regular basis?
[21:20] <tangirehv> and when i use multiple programs.. many many programs.. well, what happens to my home directory? i can't find anything useful there anymore
[21:20] <Daisuke_Ido> hey, i need to use a browser!  better install firefox!  oh, i'm done, uninstall now.
[21:20] <Daisuke_Ido> tangirehv: it's actually organized logically.
[21:21] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- most settings are stored in directories that start with .
[21:21] <Daisuke_Ido> if you're going to continue trolling, stick with windows.  if you actually want to learn HOW linux works, and maybe understand WHY it works that way, stick around.
[21:21] <RurouniJones> and those directories are hidden unless you specifically choose to view them
[21:21] <Dragnslcr> e.g. .mozilla
[21:21] <coreymon77> my home folder is very organized
[21:21] <Daisuke_Ido> !lnw
[21:21] <Daisuke_Ido> read that
[21:21] <uffo> if apt get could open offline packages then i would happy with that
[21:22] <Daisuke_Ido> before you say anything else.
[21:22] <tangirehv> well.. then linux itself is bulls*it
[21:22] <tangirehv> and we need another op-sys
[21:22] <tangirehv> like reactos :)
[21:22] <RurouniJones> Ok tangirehv, thanks for your opinion, we recommend you go back to windows and leave the channel. bye bye
[21:23]  * RurouniJones waves
[21:23] <coreymon77> tangirehv: we are here to help out with how to work linux, if you do not want our help, fine
[21:23] <coreymon77> tangirehv: but dont argue with us
[21:23] <tangirehv> you should also get back to your sudo and don't disturb discussion about future op.sys and application logic
[21:23] <RurouniJones> Just say goodbye everyone
[21:23] <RurouniJones> tangirehv should be leaving now
[21:23] <Daisuke_Ido> tangirehv: if you don't like it, go elsewhere.
[21:23] <coreymon77> tangirehv: thats not the topic of this channel
[21:24] <coreymon77> tangirehv: this channel is support, not arguing
[21:24] <tangirehv> hmm..
[21:24] <tangirehv> i'm not arguing..
[21:24] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm convinced you're here purely to start a fight, and that's not tolerable.
[21:24] <tangirehv> i want to make this better
[21:24] <Dragnslcr> uffo- you can use apt offline. I already pointed you to AptOnCD
[21:24] <Daisuke_Ido> tangirehv: no, you want to make this windows
[21:24] <kkathman> this isnt the channel for that
[21:24] <tangirehv> thing better*
[21:24] <Daisuke_Ido> it isn't.
[21:25] <Daisuke_Ido> so go read the link ubottu pasted, and use it as it is (it may change in the future), or go back to whatever os you're trying to make this into
[21:25] <tangirehv> and how to you hope to spread kubuntu or ubuntu with it's mountain monkey interface?
[21:25] <kkathman> this is a support channel, not suggestions on functionality - try another channel for that or feel free to add comments/suggestion to the development/bug system
[21:25] <uffo> in synaptic (and kde package) there should option to open .deb file, i know there is open repo cd but i do not know how to do simple repo cd with selected programs
[21:25] <Daisuke_Ido> tangirehv: could you clarify that?  mountain monkey?
[21:26] <rickest> tangirehv: you're suggestion boils down to making /bin world writeable.  that's about as wrong as it gets
[21:26] <tangirehv> well i was meaning the gmone which is mountain monkey in my native language
[21:26] <tangirehv> gnome*
[21:27] <kkathman> this isnt exactly a gnome support channel either
[21:27] <coreymon77> kkathman: pm
[21:27] <Dragnslcr> uffo- you don't need to use Adept to install .deb packages. You can just right-click and select install
[21:27] <RurouniJones> Just /ignore him guys
[21:27] <Dragnslcr> uffo- or use dpkg from the shell
[21:27] <RurouniJones> This is clearly troll territory
[21:28] <Daisuke_Ido> RurouniJones: i'd have to agree, i've already got him ignored
[21:28] <tangirehv> well.. i ask: how to you hope to spread ubuntu when it's inconvenient for users?
[21:29] <snarkster> tangirehv: there are a LOT of ubuntu users
[21:29] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, i lied
[21:29] <rickest> I don't think he came to troll.  He came in and made a really stupid suggestion that he's only thought about for 5 minutes and now he's getting defensive because it's obvious how stupid his suggestion is
[21:29] <coreymon77> rickest: no
[21:29] <uffo> kde4 do not have install with right click, currently i download firefox requred libs from http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/firefox-3.0
[21:29] <uffo> i try when completed
[21:29] <kkathman> tangirehv,  you are one opinion of course, many people contribute to the community and help out...perhaps you'd like to help?
[21:29] <tangirehv> my suggestion is NOT STUPID
[21:29] <Daisuke_Ido> tangirehv: it's not inconvenient, it makes sense.  ever wonder why windows is so full of holes and so easy to exploit?  part of it is because ANYONE can write ANYWHERE.
[21:29] <coreymon77> rickest: he asked for help about something, we gave him an answer, he refused our help and startd arguing about it
[21:29] <Daisuke_Ido> tangirehv: yes, yes it is
[21:30] <Daisuke_Ido> in fact, it's the stupidest thing i've heard since the last commercial for Disaster Movie
[21:30] <tangirehv> how?
[21:30] <tangirehv> what's wrong with it?
[21:30] <Daisuke_Ido> read what i said
[21:30] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: easy buddy
[21:30] <Daisuke_Ido> it's fundamentally unsafe
[21:30] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: thats not the issue
[21:31] <rickest> coreymon77: no
[21:31] <snarkster> tangirehv: tho i didnt hear you suggestion please understand that switching to linux is a conscience choice and youll just have to learn like we all did.. If you were a windows user and someone told you to use a macintosh youd be lost.. same with linux
[21:31] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: the issue is that he came asking for help and then refused our suggestions saying they are stupid and inconvenient
[21:31] <tangirehv> and is it safe when i let sudo to install any crap?
[21:31] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- if you trust the source of the package, yes
[21:31] <Daisuke_Ido> tangirehv: at least if you have to use sudo, you can see beforehand what is being installed
[21:31] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- which is why you should always use the official repositories
[21:31] <Daisuke_Ido> without that, things could be installed without your knowledge - malicious things even
[21:32] <melen> Does anyone know if it is normal to have cron.daily, cron.d, cron.hourly, cron.weekly and cron.monthly directories in the /etc/ folder if i have never programmed any tasks to be run? Thanks
[21:32] <tangirehv> but when i have an offline repository?
[21:32] <Dragnslcr> melen- yup
[21:32] <Daisuke_Ido> melen: they're there by default
[21:32] <Dragnslcr> melen- they're probably empty, or have one or two system tasks
[21:32] <mizipzor_> how do i manually "save a session"? it seems that my sessions arent restored
[21:32] <Daisuke_Ido> tangirehv: doesn't matter, root access (or superuser, sudo) is still required
[21:32] <Daisuke_Ido> that's how it is
[21:33] <rickest> so instead of backing up /home/my_name I should have to look all over the distro /bin directories?  absurd
[21:33] <tangirehv> jep
[21:33] <Dragnslcr> rickest- to do what?
[21:33] <melen> thanks everyone
[21:34] <Daisuke_Ido> rickest: what?
[21:34] <tangirehv> at least i have everything in one place.. not scattered around my system
[21:34] <rickest> tangirehv: if personal settings were saved in app directories.  That's reason #2, the first was those directories aren't world writeable
[21:34] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: nvm, he was explaining
[21:34] <Dragnslcr> rickest- /bin only contains executables that are easily replaced from the repositories
[21:34] <uffo> someone one day should create offline repo creator gui for windows in qt4 c++
[21:34] <Daisuke_Ido> ahh
[21:34] <Dragnslcr> Oh
[21:34] <Dragnslcr> Oops, sorry rickest
[21:34] <rickest> Dragnslcr: np, apparently I confused a couple  :)
[21:34] <Dragnslcr> !aptoncd
[21:35] <RurouniJones> We already tried that
[21:35] <tangirehv> well.. anyway, i keep waiting for reactos though.
[21:35] <RurouniJones> He didn't listen, or understand, or both
[21:35] <uffo> APTonCD wont run on windows
[21:35] <Daisuke_Ido> uffo: what?
[21:36] <uffo> that repo creator
[21:36] <tangirehv> currently there is not possible to create any IT infrastructure on ubuntu
[21:36] <Daisuke_Ido> it's for ubuntu, what the h*** does windows have to do with it?
[21:36] <snarkster> what are you talking about
[21:36] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: his linux box doesnt have internet access apparently, busted wifi card
[21:36] <Dragnslcr> tangirehv- maybe if you don't know anything about IT administration
[21:37] <coreymon77> snarkster: hey there, can we help you
[21:37] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm off top offtopic, my brain hurts now
[21:37] <tangirehv> i know well and i know it is not quantum-crack safe
[21:37] <Daisuke_Ido> to*
[21:37] <snarkster> nah im listening and chiming in about tangirehv and everyones else discussion..
[21:37] <Dragnslcr> And no, we haven't figured out what use Firefox will be on a computer without a network connection
[21:38] <melen> Hello. I was looking at my system logs, auth.log and saw something weird. I am the only person with the password to a root account on ubuntu 8.10 on my computer. THere are others who know the password for a limited account though. The thing is i saw the following log http://pastebin.com/d298be6d3 and these events occurred at times I was not even home, where I have my pc. DId someone login as root or do something strangE? thanks
[21:38] <coreymon77> snarkster: if you need help we can ignore him
[21:38] <snarkster> nah I dont need help..
[21:38] <snarkster> Im on kde4.1 anyway
[21:38] <Dragnslcr> melen- look like cron jobs being run
[21:38] <RurouniJones> melen: Looks like automated cron jobs
[21:38] <RurouniJones> scheduled tasks
[21:39] <Daisuke_Ido> yep, every hour
[21:39] <Daisuke_Ido> nothing special :)
[21:39] <coreymon77> in other words, youre fine
[21:39] <Daisuke_Ido> coreymon77: we can ignore him anyway :)
[21:39] <Dragnslcr> I dunno what would be scheduled for 17 after every hour, but whatever
[21:40] <snarkster> Im perfect thank you.. listening to jams on amarok and relaxing in the cool a/c
[21:40] <coreymon77> okay
[21:40] <snarkster> are you ok coreymon77
[21:40] <snarkster> lol
[21:40] <coreymon77> ya
[21:40] <coreymon77> had a little outburst due to these trolls earlier, but i apoligized and everythings fine
[21:40] <hudnix> I know this may not be the best place to ask, but does anyone know where I can get an ubuntu version that will install as a paravirtual guest under xen instead of full virtual?
[21:41] <snarkster> outbursts are good they releave stress.
[21:41] <snarkster> wow
[21:41] <coreymon77> hudnix: does regular ubuntu not work?
[21:41] <snarkster> what is paravirtual
[21:41] <snarkster> new term
[21:41] <Dragnslcr> hudnix- I know it's possible, since we do it at work, but I didn't set it up so I don't remember exactly how
[21:42] <coreymon77> Dragnslcr: i would think regular ubuntu would work, wouldnt it
[21:42] <coreymon77> ?
[21:42] <Dragnslcr> hudnix- I thought the Xen management console had an option to create new Ubuntu guests
[21:42] <hudnix> paravirtual -> the guest has kernel mods that allow it to share resources and run faster
[21:42] <hudnix> full virtual - the guest doesn't know about virtualization
[21:42] <Dragnslcr> coreymon77- Xen is a bit weird. I don't think it uses normal disc images for installation
[21:43] <hudnix> Yes, I can install it full virtual, but it doesnt recognize the ISO as valid for paravirtual.
[21:43] <coreymon77> Dragnslcr: then wouldnt it have its own way of converting the normal images to its wierd images
[21:43] <snarkster> can the ubuntu xen run windows?
[21:43] <Dragnslcr> coreymon77- yup
[21:44] <coreymon77> hudnix: i am completely unfamiliar with xen paravirtual, maybe google can yield some results
[21:44] <coreymon77> ?
[21:45] <hudnix> I tried google first, it seems either no one else has this problem or no one else cares :)
[21:45] <Dragnslcr> I'm pretty sure that Ubuntu is an option when you create a new guest in Xen
[21:45] <coreymon77> hudnix: does xen have a website, or some sort of other manual
[21:45] <coreymon77> ?
[21:45] <Dragnslcr> I don't think we had to do anything special for it
[21:45] <hudnix> Dragnslcr: yes, it is, but only in full virtual mode.
[21:46] <Dragnslcr> Hm
[21:46] <Dragnslcr> I'll take your word for it. Like I said, I didn't do the setup, I only know that we have it
[21:46] <Dragnslcr> You might have better luck on Xen's message boards
[21:46] <hudnix> I'll try that, thanks
[21:47] <coreymon77> hudnix: check their site, maybe they have help files
[21:55] <uffo> i got a atheros wifi card from local friend ang kubuntu installed now net works but Adept get cannot check repos, it tries to download something but then comes kde crash report
[21:55] <coreymon77> uffo: whats the report
[21:57] <snarkster> what about sudo apt-get update
[21:57] <coreymon77> uffo: hes right
[21:57] <uffo> i launched again now shows waiting for headers, now comed copy file in progress, (i saw it wanted some tmp file) then is closed, not adept mannager but some strange sub downloading software i dont know
[21:57] <coreymon77> uffo: do sudo apt-get update first
[21:58] <uffo> ok i try in konsole but there is 2 consoles ? whitch is best
[21:59] <uffo> 1 konsole terminal program and 2 konsole/kde3 terminal
[21:59] <snarkster> makes no difference
[21:59] <uffo> ok
[22:01] <snarkster> uffo what happened?
[22:02] <snarkster> OT: have any of you seen the The Watchmen Trailer??
[22:02] <uffo> damn it cannot do sudo, i checked i dont know why but it do not find (wifi card) my router is online, how i can fix that it finds net (drivers is installed it shows propertary drivers in use and they work)
[22:02] <coreymon77> sudo has nothing to do with internet
[22:02] <uffo> do i need newer driver
[22:02] <uffo> i need wifi card to work first
[22:02] <coreymon77> sudo stands for super user do
[22:03] <coreymon77> it runs the command with admin privileges
[22:03] <uffo> i know it makes superuser
[22:03] <coreymon77> uffo: i can help you with that
[22:03] <coreymon77> uffo: so you still cant get on the internet with that card?
[22:03] <uffo> wifi card cannot find wrt54gl
[22:03] <uffo> my friend told it works
[22:03] <uffo> atheros card
[22:03] <coreymon77> what card exactly
[22:04] <coreymon77> model company?
[22:04] <engineer> aka brand
[22:04] <uffo> wait i check, i open my laptop again
[22:04] <coreymon77> and card model
[22:04] <engineer> lol
[22:04] <engineer> lspci
[22:04] <engineer> lspci | less
[22:04] <engineer> no need to open
[22:05] <coreymon77> i know what that will say
[22:05] <coreymon77> it will jsut say atheros communications
[22:05] <coreymon77> thats what they all say
[22:05] <hardy> Hi, what is the conf file to change the layout of the keyboard in kde?
[22:06] <coreymon77> hardy: no need to edit that
[22:06] <coreymon77> hardy: just do it graphically
[22:06] <coreymon77> hardy: go into system settings
[22:06] <coreymon77> hardy: look through there, you will find keyboard layouts
[22:06] <hardy> coreymon77: I am using Intrepid and the GUI is not working
[22:07] <coreymon77> what do you mean
[22:07] <coreymon77> x isnt working?
[22:08] <micromentor> \quit
[22:09] <snarkster> coreymon77: I think he means the keyboard config GUI isnt workin
[22:09] <coreymon77> oh
[22:09] <coreymon77> uffo: any word on what the card is?
[22:09] <SitUbuntuSit> is there still an ubuntu+1 channel?
[22:10] <SitUbuntuSit> hardy, you might want to try there
[22:10] <uffo> i did not opened laptop instead i searched clues from windows drivers and found Atheros AR5001
[22:11] <uffo> that is currently in
[22:11] <uffo> friend gave windows drivers together with card
[22:11] <coreymon77> okay
[22:11] <hardy> coreymon77: yes kcontrol and kde-systemsettings are not installable now. SitUbuntuSit: I already asked in ubuntu+1 but no one knows
[22:12] <uffo> hardware tool in kubuntu says it is okay, but it is not
[22:15] <coreymon77> there is a huge thing to get this working natively, but no point
[22:15] <uffo> knetworkmanager shows no active device
[22:15] <coreymon77> we're gonna use ndis
[22:15] <SitUbuntuSit> hardy, I understand. No problem, wasn't discouraging asking here, just thought those guys would be more knowledgeable :)
[22:17] <coreymon77> alrighty then, this is wha you should do
[22:17] <coreymon77> uffo: you do have the windows driver cd right?
[22:17] <uffo> i have 7z archive
[22:18] <coreymon77> uffo: works too
[22:18] <coreymon77> okay
[22:19] <coreymon77> uffo: your windows computer is still the only one with internet right
[22:19] <uffo> currently yes
[22:19] <uffo> and i have dvd if transport neened
[22:20] <uffo> i zipped that driver
[22:20] <coreymon77> okay
[22:20] <snarkster> isnt there a good howto on ndis?
[22:21] <snarkster> i used to use ndis all the time, then i got smart and bought a belkin wireless G usb for 36 bucks at wallmart; works right out of the box
[22:21] <coreymon77> snarkster: me too, but im gonna walk him through
[22:21] <snarkster> good luck
[22:21] <coreymon77> uffo: whats the name of the windows driver
[22:22] <uffo> 1014542_liteon_v5_3_0_56
[22:23] <uffo> currently offtopic but: i heard it should by now inside kernel 2.6.27 because atheros opened drivers- is that true
[22:24] <coreymon77> uffo: maybe
[22:24] <uffo> i know kubuntu has 2.6.24
[22:24] <coreymon77> uffo: type lspci into konsole for me
[22:24] <coreymon77> actually
[22:24] <coreymon77> lspci -v | less
[22:26] <coreymon77> uffo: find your wireless card in the output list and tell me what it says
[22:27] <uffo> how i can get that character between -v less
[22:27] <uffo> i never used that in win
[22:27] <coreymon77> shift + key above enter
[22:29] <coderipper1983> hello
[22:30] <coreymon77> uffo: find it?
[22:30] <coderipper1983> anyone know a good tutorial for the command line interface
[22:30] <uffo> tryng in kate to find
[22:30] <snarkster> yup man bash
[22:30] <jpds> !cli
[22:30] <coderipper1983> thx'
[22:31] <snarkster> yup
[22:32] <uffo> maybe my keyboard is different from yours
[22:33] <uffo> offtopic, i discovered that my last card was same model atheros esprimo mobile 5535 i have
[22:34] <engineer> uffo depends on your kyboard
[22:34] <engineer> mine is above tab
[22:36] <Daisuke_Ido> uffo: also, on the keyboard, it doesn't look like a solid vertical line
[22:36] <uffo> it gives ˇ these marks (sorry i have not used these characters only in subtiles with copyng them)
[22:36] <Daisuke_Ido> it looks like...  a colon made up of two vertical lines, if that means anything
[22:48] <uffo> now i moved command to kubuntu with dvd and it cave quite big output
[22:49] <uffo> i cannot move back because no  dvd burning program
[23:03] <Guest36573> anybody here with lirc experiencE?
[23:04] <snarkster> guest36573: try mythtv
[23:05] <Guest36573> snarkster - how?
[23:05] <Guest36573> just ot install mythtv?
[23:05] <Guest36573> what for?
[23:05] <snarkster> no no try asking there, as they use lirc alot
[23:05] <snarkster> itll be OT but im sure someone can assist with using lirc there
[23:05] <Guest36573> ok im there thanks
[23:06] <thorsten_> hello, is there any way to store the size of the different windowsections in kde programms?
[23:06] <thorsten_> what do you want to do with lirc? Transmit or receive?
[23:07] <emiliafaneite> hello ebribody
[23:08] <mariana> hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[23:08] <mariana> hellllooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[23:08] <Pici> Yes, hello.
[23:09] <uffo> what
[23:09] <mariana> what what
[23:09] <uffo> who are you, hello was sooo long
[23:09] <mariana> hahahahaha
[23:10] <nando> hola!
[23:10] <nando> alguien habla español???
[23:11] <uffo> egnlish please
[23:11] <Guest36573> thorsteni would like to receive
[23:11] <Guest36573> thorsten would like to receive
[23:11] <nando> someone speak english here?!!!
[23:11] <nando> X(
[23:12] <nando> spanish
[23:12] <snarkster> yes most of chickens speak english
[23:12] <nando> sorry
[23:12] <snarkster> !spanish
[23:20] <gustavo> Hola, necesito ayuda de algún ingeniero
[23:22] <uffo> hola losna huina tuhkru jahuveski - i even myselt do not know what it is
[23:22] <engineer> !es
[23:23] <highwaychile> hi! Can anybody tell me what user agent konqueror is using in hardy?
[23:23] <gustavo> Hi, would some ingeneer help me w a homework?
[23:23] <engineer> we dont do homework
[23:23] <engineer> unless you pay
[23:24] <gustavo> it is not about computers or that
[23:24] <gustavo> is a little interview
[23:24] <gustavo> just 4 easy questions
[23:27] <uffo> when i remove openoffice from kubuntu with Adept manager, does it remove it completly 100% or i must do sudo apt-get clean or what?
[23:34] <engineer> uffo apt-clean won't hurt
[23:34] <engineer> but mostly likely everything is vanished
[23:35] <uffo> you mean temporary downloaded packages right?
[23:43] <jhutchins_wk> isn't there a "purge" option to get rid of things like conf files?
[23:43] <_M3741_> Hey guys, I wanna try to compile the kubuntu kernel to run on a different distro. Where can I find the sources and the .config file?
[23:43] <favro> I use  sudo apt-get --purge autoremove
[23:44] <jhutchins_wk> _M3741_: Why?
[23:44] <jhutchins_wk> _M3741_: There really is no "kubuntu kernel", it's the standard kernel with debian and ubuntu patches and configuration applied.
[23:44] <jhutchins_wk> _M3741_: What are you looking for on what other distribution?
[23:46] <_M3741_> The problem I'm having is that after kernel 2.6.21 I can't get the kernel to load the disk controller. I've tried the vanilla sources as well as the gentoo sources. Since the vanilla sources fail as well I think there is a bug with my controller driver.
[23:46] <thorsten_> @guest36573 would you please accept the dcc-request?
[23:47] <_M3741_> Amazingly the kernel from ubuntu doesn't have that problem, so my guess is that there is some ubuntu patch tha addresses that problem
[23:49] <_M3741_> I've done a git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-hardy.git to get the sources, but everything seems to be out of place. I mean, its not the common kernel source structure
[23:49] <thorsten_> @guest36573 maybe that helps https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallLirc/Hardy
[23:50] <Guest36573> s
[23:50] <jhutchins_wk> _M3741_: Yeah, that's a problem you'll have crossing distros.
[23:51] <jhutchins_wk> _M3741_: You would probably be best off building the kernel on a (k)ubuntu machine and copying it over.
[23:52] <_M3741_> jhutchins_wk: No problem with that, as long as I get the correct sources
[23:53] <jhutchins_wk> _M3741_: I think your conclusion about it being a ubuntu patch is probably correct.
[23:53] <_M3741_> I have compiled centos kernel sources on my gentoo boxes in the past with no issues, but the ubuntu sources seem to be out of standard.
[23:53] <jhutchins_wk> _M3741_: I have a similar situation with an Intell controller that only SuSE will install on.  I need to get RHEL/Centos 4.x on it.
[23:54] <_M3741_> jhutchins_wk: My controller is also an intel one. Damn, this intel guys are messing up with everything!
[23:55] <_M3741_> jhutchins_wk: Where can I get the sources for ubuntu in a standard way? Cuz the git clone thing is all messy
[23:55] <_M3741_> jhutchins_wk: When I say standard I mean like the vanilla sources (from kernel.org).