[00:00] <fta> asac, did you make any progress with the plan to run mozilla tests since UDS ?
[00:01] <asac> no ... except that everyone else wants to do it ;)
[00:02] <asac> however, i dont consider that a feature that is bound to feature freeze
[00:06] <fta> ok
[00:07] <asac> whatever we get up should be doable. i dont think that everything that requires hardware will be realistic to do
[00:07] <asac> our test center currently undergoes heavy restructuring
[00:07] <asac> and the team was moved to the distro team. so once they have finished that we probably can use their resources
[00:08] <asac> yay ... flash detection kit detection works ;)
[00:08] <asac> also on youtube ;)
[00:08] <asac> no i have hope that all this might really work
[00:09] <fta> what was it all about ?
[00:13] <asac> fta: making the "missing plugins ..." thing appear when a website tries to be smart and uses flash detection kit to not get the puzzle
[00:14] <fta> ok, good
[00:14] <fta> could that be used to swap flash plugins at runtime ? (ie gnash -> nonfree)
[00:19] <asac> fta: well. what we do at runtime is to display a plugin icon in the status bar. when you selec that you can change the plugin. which hopefully will work at runtime
[00:20] <asac> fta: the anti flash-detection-kit is used to trigger the plugin finder so provide users with the best user experience
[00:20] <asac> e.g. dont get to adobes website, but to the plugin finder wizard
[00:20] <asac> both together make a good proportion of the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FlashExperienceIntrepid spec
[00:23] <asac> hmm ... so how can i dispatch an event globally easily :/
[00:34] <asac> ok globally is wrong ... i have to figure from which document that event comes from
[00:34] <asac> err event ... invocation ;)
[00:43] <asac> hairy
[00:43] <asac> and scary ;)
[00:53] <asac> ok letse hope that http://paste.ubuntu.com/40291/ is a good way ;)
[00:54] <asac> to get our event target from JSStack
[00:56] <fta> i'm too out of this code to be of any help
[00:56] <asac> i know .... its just talking to my self ;)
[00:56] <asac> not sure why though
[00:57] <fta> i'm currently writing unit tests for my stuff, scratching my head to find good tests, and while doing so, i found a nasty bug
[00:57] <asac> oh ;)
[00:57] <asac> well. usually the bugs you discover are the more interesting ones ,)
[00:59] <asac> its always impressive how much code there is in firefox ;)
[01:00] <asac> .. code you havent seen before though you were sure you looked at almost everything ;)
[01:00] <asac> i thought i always understood how all this JSContext things worked ... but now that I want to rip the guts out of it i dont find the places so i can verify the theory i had in mind
[01:02] <asac> i think thats probably because most backports i did that required to guess which scoped called a function were for the 1.7 branch ... and now things have changed considerably
[01:02] <asac> more macros :(
[01:05] <fta> some parts are awfully complex and not doing much. looks like code piled up for years
[01:06] <fta> yeah, i fixed my bug.
[01:06] <fta> unit tests are good for me
[01:08] <asac> right. actually thats why i signed up for mozilla stuff ... see how a large code base evolves and gets improved over time
[01:08] <asac> fta: the craziest refactoring will be the death of nsCOMPtr ;)
[01:08] <asac> which benjamin plans to do at some point
[01:09] <asac> e.g. making everything garbage collected ... aka no ref counting anymore
[01:09] <fta> i thought it was ready, that's why i started the moz2 branches, but it never happened
[01:09] <asac> i asked him during summit and he said its likely post moz2
[01:09] <fta> lol
[01:10] <asac> far too intrusive ;)
[01:10] <fta> that was supposed to be the whole point of moz2
[01:10] <asac> but he managed to get a first pitch done
[01:10] <fta> be intrusive
[01:10] <asac> with not too much manual tranformation
[01:10] <asac> producing 100M diffs ;)
[01:11] <asac> fta: there is no moz2 branch anymore, is there?
[01:11] <fta> correct
[01:11] <asac> maybe they will go for 1.9.2 1.9.3 ;) ... who knows
[01:12] <asac> so maybe moz2 will indeed have that. its just _far_ away
[01:12] <fta> or if there is, it's in ~users
[01:13] <asac> my guess is that the shorter release cycle they go for now, will make intrusive changes even less likely
[01:13] <asac> too much new features land that constantly would need to be side merged to a long diverged branch
[01:14] <asac> except that you can constantly work on a refactoring tool ... and then at some point do the migration all at once
[01:14] <asac> without breaking a 9 month release cycle ;)
[01:14] <fta> i would like to see CSS3 and SVG1.1 complete, and some HTML5, before they start breaking everything
[01:14] <asac> otoh, breaking trunk for ages isnt good for "normal" contributors either
[01:15] <asac> true
[01:18] <asac> ha
[01:18] <asac> i found it ;)
[01:18] <asac> nsContentUtils has the "GetDocumentOfCaller" convenience function
[01:18] <asac> good that i didnt give up and copy the code i found elsewhere ;)
[01:19] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/40295/
[01:20] <asac> ok i need FromCaller i guess ;)
[01:21] <asac> err, Context i mean
[01:26] <fta> ok, I call it a day. I need some sleep
[01:26] <fta> night
[01:28] <asac> sleep well
[09:01] <XioNoX> Hi !
[10:00] <XioNoX> asac ?
[10:27] <asac> XioNoX: oh sorry. didnt look in this window ;)
[10:27] <asac> XioNoX: how are you?
[10:28] <XioNoX> asac, fine :D
[10:28] <XioNoX> asac, and you ? good weekend ?
[10:29] <asac> more or less :-D
[10:29] <XioNoX> so, what can I do for my last day of internship ?
[10:29] <asac> XioNoX: i fixed the xulrunner patch (to select thedefault plugin by pref)
[10:30] <asac> ... the backend ...
[10:30] <XioNoX> ok
[10:30] <XioNoX> so I have to compile it again ?
[10:30] <asac> XioNoX: when you want to test it yes.
[10:30] <asac> XioNoX: otherwise, just cleanup your wizard thing.
[10:30] <asac> let me know when ready ;(
[10:30] <asac> ;)
[10:30] <XioNoX> it is clean now
[10:31] <XioNoX> but there are 2 bugs
[10:31] <asac> XioNoX: oh. good
[10:31] <XioNoX> :(
[10:31] <asac> which `
[10:31] <asac> ?
[10:32] <XioNoX> first,the overlay thing don't seem to give all the mimetypes present on the page to the window
[10:33] <asac> you sure?
[10:33] <XioNoX> secondly, it seam that the overlay save the mimetypes on the same array, but I'm not sure
[10:33] <asac> well ... it gives you the mimetypes of those that have a plugin installed ... e.g. if you dont have a plugin for video/avi you wont see it
[10:33] <XioNoX> not at 100% but it seam to
[10:34] <gnomefreak> good morning
[10:34] <asac> hi gnomefreak
[10:34] <XioNoX> morning !
[10:34] <asac> XioNoX: i dont understand secondly
[10:34] <asac>  ;)
[10:35] <asac> XioNoX: at best push that thing up so i can test it
[10:35]  * gnomefreak really hates when things fix themselves
[10:35] <asac> gnomefreak: why ... thats good ;)
[10:35]  * asac  would like to see everything getting fixed on their own
[10:35] <gnomefreak> asac: knowing the problem would help
[10:36] <gnomefreak> its fixed ;)
[10:36] <asac> true. but if its gone, there is no problem anymore ,)+
[10:37] <XioNoX> asac, Pushed up to revision 102.
[10:39] <gnomefreak> asac: true now i shoudl run lintain on it before pushing to reve i guess
[10:41]  * gnomefreak though lintian is run on *_source.changes
[10:41] <gnomefreak> thought
[10:48] <asac> XioNoX: ok. what we want to do is to look at the name of the plugins
[10:48] <XioNoX> It is what I've done
[10:48] <XioNoX> no ?
[10:49] <asac> and if its either "Shockwave Flash" or "Shockwave Flash 2" ... or "Windows Media Player Plug-in 10"
[10:49] <asac> (if it starst like that) ... then use the description
[10:49] <asac> instead of the name
[10:49] <asac> for the other mime-types the name should be fine
[10:49] <asac> (ill fix the description of gnash, which is just ridiculous=
[10:49] <XioNoX> I don't understand
[10:51] <asac> XioNoX: dont use the name, but the description
[10:51] <asac> if they have one of the names abover
[10:51] <asac> (to be exact, if the names start with the names above)=
[10:52] <asac> install gnash and you will see
[10:52] <asac> it has the same name and we cannot change it
[10:52] <asac> thus we need to display the description
[10:53] <gnomefreak> maybe dpatch wanted me to patch rules insteaad of make changes to it :(
[10:58] <asac> XioNoX: if you dont have gnash in about:plugins do:
[10:59] <asac>  sudo ln -s /usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins/
[10:59] <asac> once you see both flashs there you will see what i mean in the wizard
[11:00] <asac> XioNoX: once you have that we can get to the second bug ;).... if you select a drop down it appears to always use the first menu entry
[11:00] <asac> once that is fixed, it should be usable ;)
[11:10] <asac> XioNoX: and third, for the "not all mime-types displayed", we have http://paste.ubuntu.com/40389/
[11:10] <asac> which basically resets the array on each and every event
[11:12] <asac> XioNoX: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40390/ (<- patch for "third" issue)
[11:16] <gnomefreak> we should really add a search for revu
[11:22] <asac> XioNoX: http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[11:22] <asac> thats the fix including the 2nd issue
[11:22] <asac> the rest is for you ;)
[11:23] <asac> also when i first click on the first of the two content types, somehow the order of the table flips
[11:23] <asac> causing confusion
[11:37] <gnomefreak> asac: someone in -motu is looking for you
[11:37] <asac> yeah
[11:38] <gnomefreak> ok just making sur eyou knew
[11:38] <asac> i didnt ;)
[11:38] <asac> but the red flash light was flashing here ... so i probably could have found out ;)
[11:41] <XioNoX> asac, sorry, some appartement problems
[11:42] <XioNoX> ok, I see, Gnash sucks
[11:42] <XioNoX> the best isn't to report a bug to gnash directly ?
[11:43] <asac> XioNoX: hey ;)
[11:43] <asac> thats currently not the topc
[11:43] <XioNoX> but the name of the gnash plugin don't have to be "shokwave flash"....
[11:44] <asac> XioNoX: it has to
[11:44] <asac> XioNoX: there is not choice
[11:44] <asac> XioNoX: we need to use the description for flash and the microsoft mime-type above
[11:44] <XioNoX> why ?
[11:44] <asac> XioNoX: because the flash detection kit uses it
[11:44] <asac> its used by websites to detect on whether to try to display flash at all
[11:44] <asac> this sucks, but thats how it is
[11:45] <asac> so gnash has to use exactly the same name as adobe flash
[11:45] <XioNoX> but the plugin's name is not the same as the description of the mimetype
[11:45] <asac> XioNoX: no ... not the description of the mime type -> the description of the plugin
[11:45] <asac> on the left side you display the description of the mime-type ... thats find
[11:45] <XioNoX> t has bo be like that ?
[11:45] <asac> fine
[11:45] <asac> yes.
[11:46] <asac> XioNoX: special case the two mime types above for now
[11:46] <XioNoX> ok
[11:46] <asac> the otherse can use the plugiun name
[11:46] <asac> XioNoX: i will make flash folks use a saner description that can be displayed there
[11:46] <asac> XioNoX: hmm ... maybe just do it for Flash
[11:46] <asac> dont do the microsoft thing
[11:47] <XioNoX> but for exemple, the video/avi can have different plugins who manage it
[11:47] <asac> its not worth it and the totem name at least has totem in the name
[11:47] <XioNoX> and with différent names...
[11:47] <asac> sure
[11:47] <asac> all fine. just use name everywhere except for flash
[11:47] <asac> where we have to use the description somewhat
[11:48] <asac> XioNoX: the following idea:
[11:48] <asac> display the name and in a second line the filename
[11:48] <asac> that would be a good compromise
[11:48] <asac> ;)
[11:48] <asac> at best even three lines:
[11:48] <asac> 1. name
[11:48] <asac> 2. filename
[11:48] <asac> 3. description ;)
[11:48] <asac> is that possible?
[11:49] <XioNoX> I don't know, it depend of the xbl...
[11:49] <XioNoX> 1 thing, you sayd :
 at best even three lines:
 1. name
 2. filename
 3. description ;)
 is that possible?
[11:49] <asac> XioNoX: yeah.
[11:49] <XioNoX> sorry
 XioNoX: http://paste.ubuntu.com/
 thats the fix including the 2nd issue
[11:49] <asac> XioNoX: right. apply that patch first
[11:50] <asac> commit that (after removing the alerts)
[11:50] <asac> and then lets fix the appearence:
[11:50] <XioNoX> which patch ?
[11:50] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/40394/
[11:50] <XioNoX> thanks
[11:50] <asac> XioNoX: remove the alerts before committing
[11:50] <gandi> re
[11:50] <asac> hey
[11:55] <verwilst> guys
[11:55] <verwilst> www.tempomusic.be
[11:55] <verwilst> could you try this?
[11:55] <verwilst> it should crash when you enter the site
[11:55] <asac> what will happen there?
[11:55] <asac> verwilst: flash
[11:55] <verwilst> drives my girlfriend crazy
[11:55] <verwilst> yeah
[11:55] <asac> (without looking)
[11:55] <verwilst> could you try too?
[11:55] <asac> why?
[11:55] <verwilst> the first page works
[11:55] <asac> i dont even have flash installed ;)
[11:55] <verwilst> to see wether it's reproducible
[11:55] <asac> (at the moment)
[11:55] <verwilst> well then, a reason more to try ;)
[11:55] <asac> verwilst: as i said: install nspluginwrapper
[11:56] <verwilst> myeah.. i guess ill have to
[11:56] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive
[11:56] <verwilst> then only nspluginwrapper will crash eh
[11:56] <asac> yes
[11:56] <asac> only the flash video that causes the pain will go down
[11:56] <asac> verwilst: another idea is to consider to use flashblock
[11:56] <asac> so your girlfriend can enable individual files she actually wants to see
[11:57] <asac> but most likely nspluginwrapper should be good enough
[11:57] <verwilst> asac: so nspluginwrapper
[11:57] <asac> verwilst: so 1. install nspluginwrapper 2. sudo apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
[11:57] <verwilst> that's it?
[11:57] <verwilst> do i need the ppa?
[11:57] <asac> yes
[11:58] <verwilst> or is it in the normal distro as well?
[11:58] <asac> verwilst: you can just download the nspluginwrapper deb
[11:58] <verwilst> what's changed there?
[11:58] <asac> and sudo dpkg -i it
[11:58] <verwilst> 1.0.0 i guess
[11:58] <asac> verwilst: the change is that its now avaialble for i386 as well
[11:58] <asac> verwilst: no ... for hardy there is 0.9.x
[11:58] <verwilst> ( it's flash 10.0 rc btw, but that shouldnt matter? )
[11:58] <verwilst> and she will still have full sound? :)
[11:58] <asac> not sure. in worst case you can downgradne and install libflashsupport
[11:58] <asac> to get sound
[11:59] <verwilst> hm
[11:59] <asac> that should work because the flash crashes only come when you leave a website containing flash
[11:59] <verwilst> this whole flash situation sucks so bad :P
[11:59] <asac> verwilst: yeah.
[11:59] <verwilst> when i leave?
[11:59] <asac> yes. so it doesnt matter anymore that flash crashes everytime with libflashsupport with nspluginwarpper ;)
[11:59] <verwilst> is the libflashcrap crashing when it cleans up?
[12:00] <asac> you can still see the video ... when you leave the page flash will crash silently, without taking firefox down
[12:00] <verwilst> heh
[12:00] <verwilst> good stuffs.. :|
[12:00] <asac> give it a try
[12:00] <verwilst> i hope the situation is improved with intrepid? :)
[12:00] <asac> maybe nspluginwrapper works with 10 rc1
[12:00] <asac> yes
[12:00] <verwilst> we'll soon find out
[12:00] <asac> sound will work
[12:00] <asac> at least thats the promise ;)
[12:01] <asac> if that doesnt happen i will work as hard as possible to get someones head squashed for that
[12:01] <XioNoX> asac, going to eat, the patch works perfectly
[12:01] <asac> XioNoX: right. now fix the appearence like discussed
[12:01] <asac> ;)
[12:01] <asac> enjoy your lunch
[12:01] <XioNoX> yep
[12:02] <XioNoX> thx ;)
[12:02] <verwilst> hm
[12:02] <verwilst> there is only one pool
[12:02] <verwilst> so which one is the hardy deb? :)
[12:03] <verwilst> http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/ubuntu/pool/main/n/nspluginwrapper/nspluginwrapper_1.0.0-0ubuntu1~mt1_i386.deb this one isnt?
[12:03] <verwilst> nspluginwrapper depends on libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.13.3); however: blabalbal
[12:05] <asac> verwilst: you can download the right pacikage from the launchpad page
[12:05] <asac> no need to browser the pool
[12:05] <asac> there are links
[12:05] <verwilst> hm
[12:05] <asac> directly on that page
[12:05] <verwilst> but i added the repo to my sources
[12:05] <verwilst> and it still errors out
[12:05] <asac> verwilst: thats not a good idea
[12:05] <asac> download the deb
[12:05] <verwilst> oh? :)
[12:05] <asac> install it
[12:06] <asac> i never said you should enable that repo
[12:06] <verwilst> it's just for the nspluginwrapper
[12:06] <asac> yeah
[12:06] <verwilst> there only is an intrepid version..
[12:07] <verwilst> of 1.0.0
[12:07] <verwilst> or am i blind? :)
[12:07] <asac> verwilst: yes you are ;)
[12:07] <asac> verwilst: just look at the launchpad page
[12:07] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive
[12:07] <verwilst> i am!
[12:07] <verwilst> :P
[12:07] <asac> there are two lines
[12:07] <asac> ;)
[12:08] <verwilst> nspluginwrapper - 0.9.91.5-2ubuntu2.8.04.1~mt1  for hardy
[12:08] <verwilst> not 1.0.0
[12:08] <asac> yeah ;)
[12:08] <verwilst> you said 1.0.0! :P
[12:08] <asac> i never said that you are looking for 1.0
[12:08] <asac> no
[12:08] <verwilst> aaah
[12:08] <verwilst> i misread you
[12:08] <asac> 12:58 < asac> verwilst: the change is that its now avaialble for i386 as well
[12:08] <asac> 12:58 < asac> verwilst: no ... for hardy there is 0.9.x
[12:08] <asac> thats what i said
[12:08] <asac> no idea how you can read 1.0.0 out of that ;)
[12:08] <verwilst> i thought initial hardy was 0.9 :)
[12:08] <asac> ah, i remember ... your eyes are bad ;)
[12:09] <verwilst> and the ppa had 1.0.0 instead ;)
[12:09] <asac> yeah ... you thought :)
[12:09] <asac> i didnt say that ;)
[12:09] <asac> anyway
[12:10] <verwilst> hm
[12:11] <verwilst> how do i enable nspluginwrapper @ firefox?
[12:11] <verwilst> since it still crashes the browser
[12:11] <verwilst> dpkg-reconfigure flashplugin-nonfree good as well?
[12:11] <asac> verwilst: --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
[12:12] <verwilst> ( since i manually copied the 10.0 so
[12:12] <verwilst> ok ok :P
[12:12] <asac> verwilst: manually copied -> remove that
[12:12] <asac> only packages are easy to do
[12:12] <asac> with nspluginwrapper
[12:12] <asac> well you can do it manually, but i wont you support in that direction (too much work)
[12:13] <verwilst> it loads!
[12:13] <verwilst> hm, there is a nsplugin.libflashplayer.so in about:config
[12:13] <asac> good ;)
[12:13] <asac> thats right
[12:14] <verwilst> maybe if i find this and replace it with the 10.0 one? ;)
[12:14] <asac> about:plugins
[12:14] <asac> no
[12:14] <asac> that doesnt work
[12:14] <verwilst> yeah plugins
[12:14] <asac> just stick to flash 9
[12:14] <verwilst> :P
[12:14] <asac> no reason for 10 yet
[12:14] <verwilst> but i dont wanna! *puppy face*
[12:14] <verwilst> ok :) ill install libcrapsupport again too
[12:15] <asac> yeah ... load your system full with shit ;)
[12:15] <verwilst> what's the fix in intrepid?
[12:15] <asac> put crap beneath a load of shit to make it worse, but then make it better by providing a wrapper :)
[12:16] <verwilst> hehe
[12:16] <asac> verwilst: no time to go into details today. ask me after feature freeze ;)
[12:16] <verwilst> ok
[12:16] <verwilst> in 4 words then?
[12:16] <verwilst> :D
[12:16] <asac> as armin76 would say: "bumb!" ;)
[12:17] <verwilst> euh :P
[12:17] <asac> bumb everything everywhere + make nspluginwrapper the default (not because of the sound crashes)
[12:17] <asac> armin76 can surely explain how to do the mega-bumb :)
[12:18] <verwilst> wth is bumb :P
[12:18] <verwilst> anyways, the site loads, and i have sound everywhere!
[12:18] <verwilst> jaj!
[12:18] <asac> congrats
[12:19] <asac> welcome to the brave new world of flash-remangled ;)
[12:19] <verwilst> so intrepid has flash + sound + crashlessness out of the box ? :)
[12:19] <asac> verwilst: at least the crashes wont be in firefox i hope ;)
[12:20] <asac> and sound might just be broken on the alsa/kernel level :)
[12:20] <asac> crimsun is working on fixing all the nice sound bugs :)
[12:20] <asac> well ... not from the packaging perspective ;)
[12:20] <verwilst> go crimsun!
[12:21] <verwilst> anyways, thanks for the nspluginwrapper tip asac
[12:21] <asac> np ... keep it tested ;)
[12:21] <verwilst> it will have made my gf's day ;)
[12:23] <armin76> lol
[12:23] <armin76> buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumb
[12:23] <asac> here we go ;) armin76 woke up
[12:47] <verwilst> armin76: care to explain bumb? :)
[12:48] <armin76> lol
[12:48] <armin76> verwilst: ppl always request "version bump", sometimes ppl misspell it with dump, bumb, dumb
[12:51] <verwilst> heh :P
[12:51] <verwilst> and what exactly was changed wrt flash sound/crash issues in intrepid? asac doesnt have time to explain
[12:51] <verwilst> ;)
[13:28] <asac_> fta: i think sispoty asked you something on motu-council about your vision of motu vs. mozillateam
[13:29] <asac_> did you get that mail? if so please ask him to forward it to you so you can reply
[13:29] <asac_> sispoty == Stefan Potyra
[13:50] <thunderstruck> asac: how would i go about getting rid of the native package warning/error?
[14:08] <asac> gnomefreak: you need to be sure that you have an orig.tar.gz and a diff.gz
[14:16] <gnomefreak> asac: i dont think i did since i used svn but thanks ill look at it later i have to meet up with my lawyer soon
[14:21] <gnomefreak> yep just upstream dir. and the packages that i built and .diff isnt one of them for some reason i guess since there was no upstream tarball that could be why. maybe i should tar up the upstream dir that way i have atleast a tarball and dpkg should build a diff with that. ill work on it later today.
[14:23] <gnomefreak> looks like a mix of clients
[14:24] <gnomefreak> ok play with that later maybe make it easy to stradle servers, later guys/gals
[14:35] <XioNoX> back ;)
[14:50] <XioNoX> asac, I've pushed you patch
[14:51] <asac> XioNoX: good
[14:53] <asac> XioNoX: ok. now fix the description thing ... try to make the menu items "multi-line"
[14:54] <XioNoX> ok an fix the "director" bug
[14:55] <XioNoX> which show an empty label for missing plugins
[14:55] <XioNoX> and whow at least the mimetype
[15:08] <XioNoX> asac, I was trying to fix an non exixting bug...
[15:08] <XioNoX> asac, in this page : http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/
[15:08] <XioNoX> the window get an empty mimetype
[15:09] <XioNoX> ,application/x-shockwave-flash : see the ","
[15:18] <XioNoX> asac, I dont think that we can easily new lines :/
[15:34] <asac> XioNoX: cant we filter mime-types that are emtpy?
[15:34] <asac> and just forget about them?
[15:34] <asac> jdstrand: welcome back ;)
[15:35] <asac> jdstrand: uploads to -security that get pocket copied apparently dont have -dbgsym packages ... is that known?
[15:35] <asac> jdstrand: quite unfortunate as we now dont have any dbg package sfor the current ones at all ;)
[15:37] <asac> (not your fault ... just curious if that is known)
[15:38] <jdstrand> asac: hi! thanks
[15:38] <jdstrand> asac: it is not known to me
[15:38] <jdstrand> asac: I'll look into it
[15:38] <asac> hmm. ok we probably need to wait for pitti to come back, or?
[15:38] <asac> jdstrand: you can look into it? wow. that would be fantastic
[15:39] <jdstrand> asac: well, I am not saying I am going to fix it, just get information on the situation ;)
[15:40] <asac> jdstrand: rock
[15:45] <asac> fta_: i bounced the question from sispoty to you
[15:45] <asac> maybe answer to that ;)
[15:47] <XioNoX> asac, done
[15:48] <asac> XioNoX: good.
[15:48] <asac> XioNoX: so description for Shockwave done too?
[15:49] <XioNoX> using description whereas plugin name ?
[15:49] <asac> yes
[15:49] <XioNoX> only for flash ?
[15:49] <asac> yes ... only if the Name starts with "Shockwave Flash"
[15:51] <XioNoX> in the "content" part or the "plugin" dropbox ?
[15:51] <asac> XioNoX: he?
[15:52] <asac> in the right column ... both in the cell as well as the menu I would say
[15:53]  * asac reboots
[15:53] <XioNoX> ok
[16:02] <XioNoX> asac, done
[16:05] <asac> XioNoX: the order still flips if you click on the first item in list
[16:05] <asac> XioNoX: further, i still had an empty type in the list
[16:05] <asac> what is the revision you committed/pushed?
[16:05] <XioNoX> sorry, nothing pushed
[16:06] <asac> ah
[16:06] <asac> ok
[16:06] <XioNoX> but what can I do for the flips ?
[16:06] <asac> XioNoX: not sure. i think its because you remove and insert all
[16:06] <asac> look at the code. there must be a reason
[16:07] <asac> ok out for 20 minutes or so
[16:07] <asac> running some errands
[16:09] <XioNoX> ok ok no problem ;)
[16:23] <asac> back
[16:28] <XioNoX> just pushed
[16:29] <XioNoX> but can't fix the bug about switch elements
[16:32]  * asac looks
[16:43] <asac> XioNoX: i think the flip is because the columns are not sorted
[16:43] <asac> look at the applications tab
[16:43] <asac> both columns are sortable and by default the first is sorted
[16:54] <XioNoX> asac, well done ;)
[16:54] <XioNoX> sortDirection="ascending"
[16:54] <XioNoX> and it work !
[16:54] <asac> rock ;)
[16:55] <XioNoX> push ?
[16:55] <asac> why not ;)
[16:55] <XioNoX> bandwich preservation ? :)
[16:55] <asac> on your side?
[16:55] <asac> ;)
[16:56] <XioNoX> on the poor lanchpad servers :)
[16:56] <asac> yeah ;)
[16:56] <asac> those have to suffer
[16:56] <asac> thats what they are there for
[16:58] <XioNoX> Pushed up to revision 106
[16:59] <jcastro> [reed]: around?
[17:02] <XioNoX> asac, I've got to go
[17:02] <XioNoX> still some problems to solve with the appartement
[17:02] <XioNoX> see you later
[17:34] <asac> hmm quite broken still
[18:12] <[reed]> jcastro: yep
[18:15] <jcastro> [reed]: see fosscamp.org, if you could spread the word internally I would appreciate it.
[18:15] <jcastro> [reed]: moco is like across the street from google, I would like a big invasion!
[18:16] <[reed]> ok, I'll mention it to Evangelism and Marketing... they handle those types of things
[18:16] <jcastro> <3 thanks
[18:18]  * asac heads for the dealer (hardware)
[18:49] <XioNoX> back ;)
[18:49] <XioNoX> asac, what's up ?
[18:55] <fta_> asac, I will answer to sispoty.
[18:56] <fta_> i never got his email as i'm not in the council (remember we discussed that ?)
[18:57] <fta_> never heard of him btw
[19:07] <mojo_> can someone help me in thunderbird?
[19:14] <asac> fta: sure. i know that you are not on that list ;) ... thats why i told you. i am not subscribed either. just polled the list archive and then asked someone on the list to forward
[19:15] <fta> ok
[19:15] <fta> thanks
[19:18] <fta> bzr is not very handy for development between 2+ computers (3 in my case) :(
[19:19] <asac> fta: why?
[19:21] <asac> ok off for a few hours
[19:21] <fta> i meant, when you have uncommitted code to pass from computer to computer (home, work, laptop, server, ...)
[19:22] <fta> well, obviously not server as it's unfinished work
[19:22] <fta> wip
[22:04] <huats> if somebody has some time to advocate a package : python bindings for webkitgtk : http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=pywebkitgtk
[22:28] <asac> huats: dholbach did all the review
[22:28] <asac> huats: did he say that you need advocacy on top?
[22:29] <huats> asac: hello
[22:29] <huats> asac: he was pretty happy with it
[22:30] <huats> I just told him today that I was moving to use a follow closely the policy with python-support
[22:30] <huats> asac: and anyway any package need 2 ACK to be included
[22:30] <huats> so even with daniel one, there is one missing
[22:30] <asac> it needs?
[22:30] <asac> in the bug or where?
[22:30] <huats> (note that daniel has not give his yet)
[22:31] <huats> in the revu interface
[22:31] <asac> where is the policy that it requires two acks?
[22:32] <huats> asac: let me find it
[22:32] <fta> asac, yep, revu requests 2 ACKs
[22:33] <asac> where is that written?
[22:35] <asac> ok i found it
[22:35] <asac> ok ... thats two for new apckages then
[22:36] <asac> makes sense to have a higher bar there ... though admins are still on top of that
[22:36] <huats> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages?action=show&redirect=MOTU%2FPackages%2FNew%2FPolicy
[22:36] <huats> oups
[22:36] <huats> you already have it
[22:36] <asac> huats: why dont you use cdbs?
[22:37] <asac> huats: i found it on the REVU wiki (first paragraph)
[22:37] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU?action=show&redirect=REVU
[22:37] <huats> asac: I haven't used cdbs because I am planning to use it on maemo too and cdbs is not available there
[22:37] <asac> wow
[22:38] <asac> so why are MOTUs only encouraged to get a review on their own NEW packages, while there need to be two acks if it comes from a contributor
[22:38] <asac> strange
[22:38] <asac> huats: cdbs is not available on maemo?
[22:38] <asac> what does that mean? on the "maemo" distribution?
[22:38] <fta> asac, from my (limited) experience with REVU, it's quite easy to get the 1st ack, then no one steps up for a 2nd review
[22:39] <huats> when I checked (during the UDS) it was not
[22:39] <huats> I was meaning on the maemo platform
[22:39] <asac> fta: thats true
[22:39] <asac> fta: and most likely the reason is that nobody knows that there are two required ;)
[22:40] <asac> huats: what is "the" maemo platform?=
[22:40] <asac> why isnt cdbs available there? is that a package archive or what?
[22:40] <huats> the platform that runs on n810
[22:40] <asac> anyway. if you says that you need it its ok ;)
[22:40] <fta> i think everyone in #u-motu knows, and most likely, contributors *are* in this channel
[22:41] <huats> it is based on debian (arm chip)
[22:41] <asac> huats: i have no clue about python, but why is , python-gtk2 in depends needed when you have ${python:Depends}
[22:41] <asac> ?
[22:42] <asac> or the other way around, what does ${python:Depends} expand to?
[22:42] <asac> fta: in *this* or in *-motu* channeL?
[22:43] <fta> this = *-motu
[22:43] <fta> sorry
[22:43] <asac> ok
[22:45] <huats> asac: let me understand why I did that (some time ago)
[22:45] <asac> huats: what is $(confflags) ?
[22:45] <huats> oh
[22:46] <huats> that is something that I have removed
[22:46] <huats> :(
[22:46] <huats> I think it should not appear now :(
[22:48] <asac> ok
[22:49] <asac> ill comment with those two changes (and ask for clarification)
[22:49] <huats> sure
[22:49] <huats> asac: don't mind the confflag
[22:49] <huats> it is not in the next upload
[22:49] <huats> (I have removed it already)
[22:50] <asac> well. i need to comment something. you can show reponsiveniss
[22:50] <asac> by naming that
[22:50] <huats> ok
[22:50] <huats> no pb
[22:50] <huats> I understand
[22:50] <huats> thanks asac
[22:52] <asac> huats: ok done
[22:56] <huats> asac: thanks
[22:56] <huats> I am testing the python-gtk2 depends
[22:56] <huats> and then I'll answer and post the new one
[23:56] <huats> asac: I have uploaded a new version, that integrates my answers to your comments :)
[23:57] <asac> dont see the upload on REV yet