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devfilRiddell, apachelogger: I've just uploaded gtk-kde4 to REVU00:33
vorianapachelogger: wha?01:03
JontheEchidnaAHAHAHA: http://wadejolson.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/be-careful-of-what-you-wish-for/03:33
jjesse_lol'ed at that03:42
jjesse_from jorge on identi.ca03:42
jjesse_i hate it when there is severe weather when i travel04:03
jjesse_i never remember what county i'm in to figure out if the storm warning is for me or not04:03
* ScottK tries sudo dpkg -i every non-debug binary in kde 3.5.10.05:16
ScottKRiddell: bug #261366 is uploaded and I asked slangasek to accept it.  I'm headed to bed, so please accept away if he hasn't.06:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 261366 in hardy-backports "Please update to KDE 3.5.10 in hardy-backports" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26136606:13
apacheloggervorian: what did I do?07:32
apacheloggerOo09:04
apacheloggerif bugzilla's search was any worse...09:05
apacheloggersearching for 'online reader' brings up results where the topic matches this string as the very last item -.-09:05
\shsebas: this is humiliation what you did to wade...;)09:54
ScottK\sh: You say that like that's a bad thing.10:34
seaLneis rsibreak-kde4 4:0.9.0~beta3-kde4.0.80-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1 just displaying blank dialogs in hardy for anyone else?11:04
seaLnemainly configure dialog but also welcome tip11:06
RiddellseaLne: seems quite broken in intrepid :(11:45
Riddelldevfil: did I hear you were going to motu?11:59
devfilRiddell: yes, yesterday I have sent my email to MOTU council mailing list11:59
* Riddell e-mails support12:03
devfilRiddell: thanks12:06
ScottK-laptopRiddell: I assume it was you accepted the 3.5.10 backports?  Thanks.12:08
ScottK-laptopNow if the buildd's would just peddle faster.12:08
apacheloggerdevfil: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40637/12:09
ScottK-laptopTo test the 3.5.10 build I installed every single non-debug KDE package on my laptop.  I'm learning about all kinds of new stuff.12:09
Riddellarts and kdelibs compiled12:10
devfilapachelogger: thanks, I'm also looking to qt4-style that should be included in gtk-kde412:10
ScottK-laptopRiddell: Is there anyone you can ping about Bug #259436.  I find it highly annoying as I don't routinely use anything but Konqueror.12:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 259436 in ubuntu-website "Wiki login not persistent with Konqueror" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25943612:10
apacheloggerdevfil: k12:10
apacheloggerRiddell: why did you delete kinfocenter in intrepid?12:10
ScottK-laptopRiddell: Yes, I'm watching through the web U/I and anxiously checking for build failure mail (none so far).12:11
RiddellScottK-laptop: #canonical-sysadmin ?12:11
Riddellapachelogger: I did?12:11
apacheloggerRiddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/kinfocenter12:11
apacheloggerDeleted on 2008-08-05 by Jonathan Riddell (not in KDE 4)12:11
ScottK-laptopRiddell: Dunno.  I was thinking you might have more luck than me at it.  I can ask.12:12
Riddellapachelogger: I accepted a kinfocenter from New recently12:12
nixternalgood morning12:13
ScottK-laptopHeya nixternal.12:13
Riddellapachelogger: hmm, I don't know12:13
nixternalUPS better deliver my machine at work today, otherwise I woke up for nothing :P12:13
apacheloggerhttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kinfocenter12:13
RiddellI accepted a binary12:14
apacheloggerall very strange12:14
Riddellbut I don't see it now12:15
apacheloggerI think any binary would show up at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/kinfocenter12:18
* ScottK-laptop guesses Soyuz was hungry that day.12:19
apachelogger...12:19
apacheloggerRiddell: it will be republished with 4.1.1 anyway12:19
smarterheya12:27
apacheloggersalut smarter12:30
smarterhallo apachelogger ;)12:31
davmor2Riddell: any clue when the fix will go in for the "about kubuntu" icon on desktop?12:38
Riddelldavmor2: nope12:38
davmor2Okay :)12:38
RiddellJontheEchidna: get my jockey e-mail?12:38
devfilapachelogger: do you suggest me to put qt4 style to another package?12:41
apacheloggerdevfil: no12:42
devfilok12:42
apacheloggergtk-kde4 doesn't make much sense without that style and I guess the style doesn't without gtk-kde412:42
apacheloggersmarter: when do you apply for master of the unemployeds?12:43
smarterapachelogger: right after Feature Freeze I think12:44
apacheloggeri.e. tomorrow?12:44
JontheEchidnaRiddell: yeah, no clue what it means though...12:44
smarterapachelogger: FF is in two days, no?12:45
apacheloggerI honestly dunno12:45
JontheEchidnamaybe /me needs a few more minutes to wake up12:45
apacheloggerfridge doesn't say a word about ff -.-12:46
apacheloggersmarter: indeed, 28th it is12:46
JontheEchidnaRiddell: I don't see anything I changed that would make a difference... I see no reference to a --check option in the current version of jockey in the repos12:52
seeleoh nice. kernel panic when rebooting12:53
RiddellJontheEchidna: in jockey/ui.py ?12:56
JontheEchidnaah12:57
Riddellhow does this read?   http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-3.5.1013:01
RiddellJontheEchidna: maybe look at how language-selector parses command args, but then pass a copy of the original sys.args since kcmdlineargs will eat the bits it cares about13:02
seeleRiddell: misspelled repository, second para13:02
seeleDevid or David?13:03
RiddellDevid apparantly13:03
Riddellthanks seele13:03
apacheloggerRiddell: we should work on the appearance of news13:07
apacheloggerthey aren't too attractive IMHO :S13:07
Riddellapachelogger: more bling welcome13:11
JontheEchidnaRiddell: where would I pass the a copy of the original args to?13:14
RiddellJontheEchidna: ui.py seems to read it directly from sys.argv but kcmdlineargs can eat entries from sys.argv so you might need to take a copy and copy it back13:16
JontheEchidnaah, so I don't need to implement everything with KCmdLineArgs?13:16
Riddellno but you need to make it accept the arguments else it'll moan that they're incorrect13:17
JontheEchidnalet's see if this works...13:19
JontheEchidnanope13:19
JontheEchidnathink I should just clear sys.argv after I get a copy so that the KApp won't far out?13:21
JontheEchidnacool, that works13:21
Riddellthat's an idea13:21
Riddelldon't clear sys.argv but pass an empty list to kcmlineargs13:22
Riddellthen sys.argv will be left in peace to be ready by ui.py13:22
JontheEchidnayeah, that's what I did13:23
JontheEchidnaargscopy = sys.argv13:23
JontheEchidnasys.argv = [""]13:23
JontheEchidnaKCmdLineArgs.init(sys.argv, aboutData)13:23
JontheEchidna    kapp = KApplication()13:23
JontheEchidna    sys.argv = argscopy13:23
JontheEchidna...without that weird whitespace junk that konvo did13:23
Hobbseestdin: jpds ping?13:24
JontheEchidnaand the args work :D13:24
\shScottK: hmm..no..actually I found it funny, that wade did do as requested ,-)13:25
JontheEchidnaRiddell: pushed to bzr13:25
* apachelogger broke his khc branch -.-13:31
* JontheEchidna disappears for a bit13:32
jpdsHobbsee: pong.13:45
DekansIs the grub entry selection (for reboot) fixed in KDE 3.5.10 ?13:50
tomais there a repository for qt 4.4.1 ?14:08
Riddelltoma: no, I don't think anyone has looked into backporting it unfortunately14:09
tomaRiddell: there seems to be a problem with kde and that version (hence not in backports), but i need 4.4.1 for a non-kde user so i was just wondering if anyone had a secret repository14:10
jeroen-hwh14:25
jeroen-heh14:25
jeroen-why not put kde 3.5.10 in the normal updates for hardy?14:25
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seelehas anyone seen Artemis_Fowl around?  I haven't seen him since akademy (or shortly thereafter)14:29
ScottKjeroen-: Because of upstream changes you can't build it all in Main.  kdeartwork needs a package from Universe, so it would fail to build.14:29
ScottKjeroen-: Up until last night, hardy-proposed -> hardy-updates was the plan.14:29
ScottKjeroen-: I've gotten stuff copied from backports to updates before, so it may end up there eventually.14:30
jeroen-ScottK: ok, but e.g. Firefox is also in the normal updates; and if kdeartwork needs a package from universe, that will also affect backports? right?14:31
ScottKjeroen-: No.  Backports doesn't care about Main/Universe.14:32
jeroen-ScottK: ok hopefully it will, because I have a bunch of PC's I don't want to switch to kde4 yet, because those people are just learning kde314:32
jeroen-ScottK: I didnt know thta14:32
ScottKSince things move between Main and Universe in different release, Main backports would be very tough if that wasn't the case.14:33
jeroen-ok thanks for your answer14:33
devfilapachelogger: I've uploaded a new gtk-kde4 package14:40
davmor2Riddell: Adept still not working. nor is the updater opens and closes again immediately14:50
jjessedavmor2: in intrepid?  adpet 3 and adeptupdater 3 are the replacements14:56
davmor2jjesse: yes intrepid.  Are these in place on the 20080826 cd?14:58
jjessedavmor2: i dont think they are on the cd but check w/ Riddell14:58
jjessei know i installed them on my intrepid build14:58
davmor2jjesse: ah okay thanks14:58
* lamont wonders just how kdelibs4c2a/hardy Depends: sudo15:00
* smarter is preparing Kvkbd 0.5.99 release15:03
jpdslamont: kdelibs (4:3.5.8-3ubuntu1) hardy; urgency=low15:05
jpdslamont: - build with --with-sudo-kdesu-backend and build-dep on sudo and make kdelibs4c2a depend on sudo15:05
lamonthow very.. sigh.15:06
lamontit would be nice, sometime, to be able to install kde libs in a chroot without getting sudo in the chroot.15:06
lamontif the backend knew to try a couple different methods, rather than just one, then it could recommend sudo, and fall back to su if sudo wasn't there15:16
ScottK-laptopdevfil: You have comments.15:16
smarterLadies and Gentlemen, Kvkbd 0.5.99 is officialy released :) http://ks33313.kimsufi.com/~smarter/kvkbd/kvkbd-0.5.99.tar.gz15:23
smarterBzr branch here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~smarter/kvkbd/trunk15:23
smarterDebian packaging here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kvkbd/ubuntu15:23
smarterRiddell: ^ could you please review/upload that? :)15:24
devfilScottK-laptop: I have questions about comments15:25
ScottK-laptopShoot.15:26
devfil1: if I don't set THIS_SHOULD_GO_TO_UNSTABLE = 1 it will not debuild15:26
devfildpkg-parsechangelog | grep ^Distribution | grep -q 'experimental\|UNRELEASED'15:26
devfilmake: *** [clean] Error 115:26
devfilfor all ubuntu packages using kde4.mk it should be used as we don't have exprerimental release15:26
devfilright?15:27
ScottK-laptopapachelogger: ^^^?15:27
ScottK-laptopI haven't done much with KDE4 yet.15:27
ScottK-laptopSeems like an omission in kde4.mk to not have the Kubuntu releases in it.15:27
ScottK-laptopOK.  Let's leave that for now.15:27
devfilI: gtk-kde4 source: debian-watch-file-is-missing (I wouldn’t block on this for the initial upload if you commit to do it before release).15:28
devfilhow can I do the watch file if the project is hosted in kde-apps?15:28
devfilthe download link is http://www.kde-apps.org/content/download.php?content=74689&id=3&tan=2221883115:28
ScottK-laptopWhy is that a problem?15:28
devfiletc...15:28
* ScottK-laptop looks15:28
devfiluhm it points to http://betta.h.com.ua/no-site/gtk-kde4v0.8b.tar.gz that I hope is the upstream site15:29
* ScottK-laptop hands devfil http://betta.h.com.ua/no-site/15:29
ScottK-laptopYes.15:29
devfilA lot of files in the upstream code are executable that don’t need to be. Please make then not executable in debian/rules.15:30
devfilin the rules there are commands to make them not executable15:31
* ScottK-laptop looks15:31
devfilafter # Fix executable-not-elf-or-script lintian warnings15:31
ScottK-laptopdevfil: OK.  The other stuff isn't installed in the binary package, so it's OK as it.15:32
ScottK-laptopit/is15:32
devfilto fix I: kcm-gtk-kde4: arch-dep-package-has-big-usr-share 1276kB 90% (please look into this one, not sure it’s worth the trouble).15:32
devfilI can move the qt4theme to another package15:32
ScottK-laptopYes.  If you can do that, it would be better.  I'll save over 1MB/per arch.  It all adds up.15:33
devfilScottK-laptop: 1MB per arch?15:33
devfilthe deb is ~120kb15:34
ScottK-laptopOdd.15:34
devfil131,4kb15:34
smarterit's gzipped15:34
ScottK-laptopRight.15:34
ScottK-laptopdevfil: Add a lintian over-ride for that one then.15:35
ScottK-laptopsmarter: Thanks.15:35
devfilok15:35
smarterScottK-laptop: you're welcome ;)15:35
devfilScottK-laptop: a lintian override for an info?15:35
ScottK-laptopdevfil: I wouldn't block if it's not there, but it's preferred.15:36
devfilScottK-laptop: uhm, for the watch file.... upstream uses a particular way to call tarballs, the package is 0.8~beta1 but the tarball gtk-kde4v0.8b.tar.gz, how can I do the watch file so?15:40
ScottK-laptopdevfil: Pull out your regex book and get to work.15:41
ScottK-laptopThis is why I said I wouldn't block on it.  Getting that right will take some work that can be done after feature freeze.15:41
devfilScottK-laptop: I can do a regex, but in the next version probability will not work15:41
ScottK-laptopSo you need a better regex I guess.  I think it's a solvable problem, but am not a super regex wiz, so I don't have specific suggestions.15:43
ScottK-laptopWorry about it for later.15:43
devfilScottK-laptop: if I use ~b1 as package version I think it is simple to do15:45
ScottK-laptopOK.15:46
devfilScottK-laptop: echo "0.8~b1" | sed 's/~//;s/[0-1]$//;'15:55
ScottK-laptopIf it works, I'm happy.15:56
devfilScottK-laptop: it works16:02
devfilNewest version on remote site is 0.8rc2, local version is 0.8~b116:02
devfil (mangled local version number 0.8b)16:02
ScottKdevfil: Then how about we package rc2 then?16:03
devfilScottK-laptop: it isn't released on kde-apps so I prefer to not update to it now16:03
ScottK-laptopOK.16:03
Hobbseecan someone deal with taskjuggler?  it's dying over kdepim-dev.  Thanks!16:11
Riddellsmarter: kvkbd working well here16:11
Riddellsmarter: shall I just upload it?16:11
ScottK-laptopdevfil: I need to run.  Feel free to paste the relevant bits of our conversation into REVU so other MOTU will know what we agreed.16:20
devfilScottK-laptop: ok16:21
RiddellJontheEchidna: was jockey ported to use install-package?16:26
JontheEchidnaRiddell: no, I don't think it uses adept-batch after all16:26
Riddellgrep doesn't suggest it does16:27
RiddellJontheEchidna: ok, let me see if I can work out how to upload this16:27
JontheEchidnathanks16:27
ScottKRiddell: After reading the KDE announcement for 3.5.10 that includes "changelog is not complete as our developers often forget to document their work", I feel better about backports.16:34
RiddellScottK: mmm16:35
RiddellJontheEchidna: hmm, do-release fails miserably16:39
smarterRiddell: go ahead, upload it :)16:39
JontheEchidna:(16:40
RiddellJontheEchidna: this is always what happens when I try and touch jockey16:41
JontheEchidnaThink we'll be able to get a FFE for it?16:41
Riddellsmarter: uploaded, thanks16:43
Riddellsmarter: did you contact the original author?16:43
smarterRiddell: sending a mail right now16:43
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RiddellJontheEchidna: uploaded!17:01
JontheEchidnaRiddell: you figured it out? :D17:01
RiddellJontheEchidna: well, I worked around it17:02
RiddellJontheEchidna: probably I did it wrong and pitti will moan but that's what he gets for going on holiday before FF :)17:02
JontheEchidna;-)17:02
JontheEchidnaand if it's broken enough it'll ensure a release with the pykde changes, \o/17:02
apacheloggerkhelpcenter(29192) KHC::SearchEngine::search: SearchEngine::search() commonSearchProgram is EMPTY17:59
apacheloggerno goody goody17:59
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apachelogger\sh: [19:23:21] <mr_clark> Hi guys. Everytime I start up my laptop with KDE4 on Kubuntu, Adept tells me I need to update python-qt4 and python-qt4-common. I do the update but it comes up again saying it needs an update. Any idea why? This has been going on for over a week.18:34
smarterok, time to update all the packages I maintain to latest version before Feature Freeze :)18:37
smarter  libmysqlclient15off: Depends: mysql-common (>= 5.0.67-0ubuntu2) but it is not installable19:12
smarteryay for mysql being b0rken two days before feature freeze :/19:12
Riddellso long as it has the features, it doesn't matter if they don't work :)19:13
smarteryep, but I can't pbuild my packages19:13
smarteranyway, as long as I don't change the deps, it should work19:18
smarterRiddell: do you have some times to upload some packages? :)19:18
Riddellsmarter: can do19:19
smartercool19:19
smarterRiddell: please upload https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/bespin/ubuntu and https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~smarter/qdevelop/ubuntu19:22
Riddellsmarter: is there a magic command for doing the get-orig and debuild and stuff?19:24
smarterRiddell: debian/rules get-orig-source(or -svn) && bzr builddeb --merge19:24
smarteror bzr bd --merge19:24
smarterresulting build will be ../build-area19:24
smarterif you just want to debuild -S -sa, add --builder='debuild -S -sa'19:25
Riddellbzr: ERROR: A Debian packaging error occurred: Could not find upstream tarball at ../tarballs/kde4-style-bespin_0.1~svn080826.orig.tar.gz19:25
smarterafter the get-orig-thing19:25
smartermove the tarball to ../tarballs19:25
Riddellok, think I got it to do something19:27
smartergreat19:28
smarterRiddell: I've updated webkit too: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/webkit-open-source/webkitkde-ubuntu :)20:09
smarterand splitted it in 4 binary packages20:09
smarteroh, wait for rev920:10
smarterI forgot something20:11
smartershould be okay now20:11
Riddellsmarter: ah, webkitkde20:15
Riddelluploaded, thanks smarter20:17
smarteryou're welcome ;)20:32
smarterhmm, adept is not the only app that doesn't work with kdesudo, kvpm doesn't start too20:33
smarterRiddell: I've modified kvpm to use cdbs' kde4.mk: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kvpm/ubuntu20:35
JontheEchidnaRiddell: any idea why kio-bookmarks, plasmoid-lancelot, and plasmoid-toggle-compositing all failed?20:36
smarterJontheEchidna: mysql is b0rken, and qt depends on mysql20:36
JontheEchidnablah20:36
JontheEchidnaactually it seems that everything built on i38620:37
* smarter is 64 bits :)20:37
JontheEchidnawell this means I can file a new-upstream-release bug for lancelot20:38
JontheEchidnayay!20:38
JontheEchidna1.0 just in time for feature freeze20:38
smarterJontheEchidna: hmm, actually kio-bookmarks failed for another reason20:38
smarterkdelibs5-dev: Depends: kdelibs5 (= 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu12) but it is not going to be installed20:38
smarter                Depends: libsoprano-dev (>= 2.1) but it is not going to be installed20:38
smarterand it's probably the same for the other one20:38
mornfallsmarter: Hm, and it still doesn't, even with the fixed desktop files?20:54
smartermornfall: oh, it works now20:54
smarterwhat did you change?20:54
mornfalldesktop files...20:55
smarteryes, but what did you change in the desktop files? :]20:55
mornfallsmarter: Ask apachelogger I guess, he fixed them, IIRC.20:55
* smarter grabs the changelog20:55
* JontheEchidna testbuilds lancelot 1.021:02
JontheEchidnaAnybody up for sponsoring bug 261602?21:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 261602 in plasmoid-lancelot "New upstream release (1.0)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26160221:17
seeleis there something wrong with openid on the wiki?  it doesnt keep me logged in past the forward page21:49
JontheEchidnaYes, all konqueror users get that21:49
JontheEchidna:(21:49
seelebah, i have to use ugly firefox?21:50
Riddellcould try arora21:51
coreymon77ugly?21:51
coreymon77thats what themes are for21:51
seeleRiddell: i happen to have it installed too.  some developer randomly asked me to look at it a while back.21:53
seeleJontheEchidna: did you change any plasma desktop defaults since the last meeting?  i think there were a few suggestions we made21:53
JontheEchidnaseele: Yup. Would you like a screenshot of the default desktop?21:55
seeleJontheEchidna: maybe put it somewhere so we can look at it during the meeting tomrrow21:55
JontheEchidnak, the latest round of changes are only in bzr and still need publishing, etc21:56
seelei think one of the things we havent done yet is figure out which plasmoids are on the desktop by default besides the file plasmoid (if there will be anything else)21:56
* JontheEchidna goes off to grab a screenshot21:56
coreymon77hehehehehehehahahahaha21:57
coreymon77jailbreaking an itouch is so fun21:57
coreymon77particularily the stuff you can do with it afterwards21:57
* JontheEchidna is back, uploading screenshot22:00
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JontheEchidnaseele: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/intrepiddefault.png22:03
seeleJontheEchidna: need to add the Show Dashboard widget to the panel22:04
JontheEchidnaoh yeah, I forgot we discussed that22:05
JontheEchidnaany opinion on where it goes?22:05
seelehum.. i dont know. i'd say keep all of the utility stuff together, but you've separated the desktop navigator from the device notifier22:07
JontheEchidnaI could put the device notifier back between the clock and systemtray like it was in 4.0.x22:09
JontheEchidnathen maybe put show dashboard between the system tray and desktop navigator22:09
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Riddellout of all the packages I've reviewed today, I wonder if hamster-applet or guake should get the prize for worst name23:15
coreymon77lol23:16
coreymon77i love my fugitive itouch23:16
coreymon77:P23:16
coreymon77but those are bad names23:16
JontheEchidnaHaha @ hamster-applet23:21
coreymon77whats hamster-applet do23:22
waylandbillas long as it aint the hamster dance.23:23
smarterRiddell: fix for bespin and qdevelop FTBFS on their bzr branches23:30
RiddellMerging from remembered location bzr+ssh://jr@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/bespin/ubuntu/23:31
RiddellNothing to do.23:31
smarteroops, forgot to push change23:33
smarter(by the way, you should use pull to get new revs, not merge)23:34
smarterPushed up to revision 20.23:34
smarterand someone should figure out why kdelibs5 is uninstallable on every arch but i386 on the buildds23:35
Riddellword on the streets is mysql's fault23:36
smarterdamn23:36
smarterI've updated kvpm to use kde4.mk too if you want to take a look: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kvpm/ubuntu23:37
* smarter is off to bed23:37
smarterthanks for uploading my packages Riddell ;)23:37
smarterand good night all23:37
smarter(and there's still no l10n for kde4 :p)23:46
Riddellpitti is on holiday so no chance of language packs even if launchpad was doing them23:48
smarterdoh :/23:48
smarterhalf-translated kde4 is no fun23:49
neversfeldeI would like to do a bug report for menue editor, can you tell me which package it is associated with?23:50

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